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"NOTTRAVELGUIDE"[edit]

Please point me to the consensus discussion in which you were given permission to remove travel times (a single travel time from the station to Grand Central, not a timetable) from articles about Metro North Hudson line stations. If you cannot provide a such a consensus discussion, then I will be removing all' of your such edits as being without consensus. You can restore them once you have a consensus to do so. Beyond My Ken (talk) 22:02, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

@Kew Gardens 613: @Mackensen: How are sections like these compliant with WP:NOTTRAVEL? They are trivial details, they change with each new timetable issued, and are mostly unsourced. Cards84664 (talk) 22:17, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not a timetable, but I don't know that WikiProject Trains (or anyone else) has determined the limits of that principle with respect to this specific issue. We give mileage, after all, which serves two purposes: (1) it satisfies the railfans and (2) gives the reader a vague sense of the location of the station relative to its inbound terminus. Arguably travel times can help satisfy the second point, and are perhaps more useful than mileage for the traveler, but that's not necessarily what Wikipedia is for. Here are past discussions which touched on this question:
I don't claim the above is exhaustive, but I don't recall this specific issue being raised. Mileage is common, but then mileage doesn't change often. Travel times are a function of timetabling and therefore can potentially run into problems of reliability, verifiability, and triviality. I think it would be worth raising the issue at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains. Mackensen (talk) 22:54, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
Cards84664: WP:NOTTRAVEL says, in its entirety:

Travel guides. An article on Paris should mention landmarks, such as the Eiffel Tower and the Louvre, but not the telephone number or street address of the "best" restaurants, nor the current price of a café au lait on the Champs-Élysées. Wikipedia is not the place to recreate content more suited to entries in hotel or culinary guides, travelogues, and the like. Notable locations may meet the inclusion criteria, but the resulting articles need not include every tourist attraction, restaurant, hotel or venue, etc. While travel guides for a city will often mention distant attractions, a Wikipedia article for a city should only list those that are actually in the city. If you do wish to help write a travel guide, your contributions would be welcome at our sister project, Wikivoyage.

What sentence in that specifically applies to information such as "and travel time to Grand Central is about 51 minutes on local trains and 36 to 42 minutes on express/semi-express trains", which you removed from Irvington station (Metro-North)? Again, where is the consensus discussion, please, for your bot-like edits to multiple articles? If you cannot point to a consensus discussion, your edits will be reverted. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:02, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
Mackensen: I grew up in Irvington, and was always fascinated by the fact that travel times to GCT had not changed in a long, long time, going back to New York Central steam trains. That amazed me, considering the radical changes in technology that had taken place. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:06, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
@Beyond My Ken: Indeed. I'm somewhat surprised that they haven't gotten worse. Mackensen (talk) 23:08, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
I will be happy to revert the edits myself, if necessary per pending discussion. Cards84664 (talk) 23:31, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
Please do. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:41, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
I've reverted the edits. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:46, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

RE: Line templates[edit]

Sorry for reverting your edit. I am starting to use Twinkle and I could have rollbacked on accident. Happy editing :) --Mazewaxie 15:34, 16 July 2019 (UTC)