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October 13[edit]

Finding a list with registred planes[edit]

Hi there. I am interested to search for airplanes (still in use and also scrapped ones - or because of a sale - no longer valid aviation marks) which have a WT, WTS or WS on their end (example: X-XXXWT) in their registration. Do I have the possibility somehow to find these planes and their full registration code which ends with WT, WTS or WS? I am looking especially for registred planes in great Britain and the US. Thank you -- (talk) 11:07, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Any idea what those suffixes mean? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 13:34, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
They dont have a meaning in aviation they are either allocated in sequence or on request. MilborneOne (talk) 22:00, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
You might try Aviation Links: Aircraft Registers. Alansplodge (talk) 21:53, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
For the UK try [1] MilborneOne (talk) 22:00, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Cold Case Episode (Disco Inferno)[edit]

Block evasion. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:50, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Hi sorry I have a question to ask you is a curiosity, can you please give me your opinion? The question makes sense. In the episode I do not know if you have ever seen it, the protagonist is of Jewish faith and has a father Rabbi. In the episode he is killed, the detectives manage to take the murderer and close the case. Well at the end of the episode I think 1 minute or less before, you can see wife and husband, the spouses Rosen, leafing through a photo album with photos of their son Benny inside. Here is the question I know it seems nonsense but it is useful to give me a clearer idea. The episode has as reference flashback the year 1978. Well among the Jewish families and also with fathers rabbis of the family it was custom at the time (40 years ago hypothetically) to celebrate like today the private parties like the birthdays besides the Bar Mitzvah. Your answer is useful also to know in reality and not only in fiction how the families, especially the Orthodox but secular ones, were regulated, because the Rabbi of the episode has a shaved beard both as a young man and as an old man. Then again, as far as the episode is concerned, in the fictitious reality of the latter it is only possible to imagine, that in the album there could hypothetically be photos of personal recurrences, for example precisely birthdays. It is a particular request, very important to me and always non-trivial for me, not frivolous. Thank you so much, this episode overflows me a lot is my great curiosity. The episode link:

Are you the one who was asking about an SVU episode earlier today? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:27, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

It was me.... I would love to have an answer, who knows...

Despite your statement that the question makes sense, I can make neither heads nor tails of what you are saying and do not even see a question in this (aside from the opening "can you please give me your opinion?"). --Khajidha (talk) 14:34, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

I try to explain myself better: in the 1970s was it customary for Jewish families to celebrate personal events? Families who also had Rabbis as fathers? This is just an episode of a TV series, but it can be useful in general to have your interpretation. Let me know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:40, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

I don't see how the question has any point. It was a work of fiction. Whether it was common in 1978 for Jewish families to celebrate these things or not, the particular characters here are said to have done so. Also, whether it was common or not, I am sure that one could find individual examples from the real world that would show this behavior. --Khajidha (talk) 15:45, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
The OP has acknowledged he asked about the SVU episode. He's evading a block. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:47, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
Is the Q whether Orthodox Jews are forbidden by their religion from such private celebrations ? SinisterLefty (talk) 15:48, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Pedro Rodrigues Filho[edit]

His date of apprehension cannot be three years before his date of birth as cited in your biography. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:53, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Pedro Rodrigues Filho has many problems, but this particular one doesn't seem to be one of them AFAICT. Since at least October 5th, the article says he was born in 1954 and apprehended in 1991. Clearly not 3 years before. Well there are other arrest dates listed, but all of them are well after 1954. I double checked and there's no use of wikidata or anything which would make these dates change without changes in our source. Nil Einne (talk) 16:59, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
Google's infobox says he was apprehended in 1951. I don't know why they say that, but there's nothing we can realistically do about it other than making sure our info is correct. We are not Google. I mean sure one of us could contact Google but there's no particular reason we should be expected to, you could do it yourself. Nil Einne (talk) 17:02, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
It was fine until various IP's started messing with it in mid-September.[2] Presumably Google scraped one of the vandalized versions, and presumably it might fix itself in the future. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:13, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

I want the dirt on ... dirt[edit]

I've seen an empty city-block-sized lot, ready for a large building to be erected, with a huge mound of dirt on it, 30-40 feet high (10+ meters for the savage metric heathen) and held in place by large concrete Lego-like blocks (implying this is a common practice). What's up with that? The first thought that came to mind is that it's the dirt left over after excavating the basement for another building, but then what happens when they start digging here? Do they then have to find two lots to store the displaced soil? Clarityfiend (talk) 18:39, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Sometimes this is done to compress the original fill on the site for various reasons, commonly to compact it after it has been disturbed. (talk) 04:14, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Could be related to soil compaction, as IP said. This can be used to increase the bearing capacity of the underlying soil, and/or to minimize the soil consolidation or other sources of subsidence expected to follow construction. Someguy1221 (talk) 08:16, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Perhaps a picture might help? Thanks Anton (talk) 11:50, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
I don't have a digital camera (or a more conventional one either). However, you can sorta see it here, at least the Lego-blocks wall holding the dirt in place. Construction has started, so a lot of the dirt has been moved ... somewhere else now. Clarityfiend (talk) 05:08, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
Weird, I looked at your link once, then went back and looked at it again, and it was a different pic. In the first pic, I was able to go around to the side, and see where it was open and a Caterpillar tractor was there. That "pile of dirt" looked like construction grade sand, to me, without big rocks, twigs, broken bricks, etc. So, I suspect that temporary wall is just to keep it from sliding into the street. They may have gotten delivery of all the sand to be used under foundations of several buildings, and dumped it there until they were ready to use it elsewhere. SinisterLefty (talk) 05:37, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

October 14[edit]

Runestone at Viking Line terminal in Stockholm[edit]

Runestone at Viking Line Stockholm terminal.jpg

This runestone can be found at the Viking Line terminal in Stockholm. Is it a genuine historical runestone or a reconstruction? JIP | Talk 11:05, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

It's modern - all explained here. Mikenorton (talk) 11:32, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
I suspected as much. A real one wouldn't look so good, if left outside for a thousand years. Specifically, the paint would be absent or at least chipped and/or faded. SinisterLefty (talk) 21:45, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

October 15[edit]

Indian Images[edit]

I have spent months and months searching through Google Maps images much akin to the following link. My question is why are there so many pictures of what appears to be people and/or places from the Indian Subcontinent put into pictures which should relate to places elsewhere in the world. Below I am providing just one example but I have come across a plethora of these, to the point where I am almost able to say that there are few without Indian pictures in them. I can’t simply be an "Oops! I click the wrong button” because then there would be this with all nationalities, Americans posting in Africa and Africans posting in Asian etc, but the phenomenon appears to only be Indian people posting in other places. Is this a deliberate action taken on government level?,+AK,+USA/@65.6091667,-168.0874999,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m8!1e2!3m6!1sAF1QipOFegmvCYJEGPYAo5yMgdN53bHusMkwszZuSszB!2e10!3e12!!7i2448!8i3264!4m13!1m7!3m6!1s0x596984812d524ae9:0x39c94ce7e19c065b!2sMagadan,+Magadan+Oblast,+Russia!3b1!8m2!3d59.5611525!4d150.8301413!3m4!1s0x5735e8f19fca48c3:0x737d164c7ae7c6f5!8m2!3d65.6089822!4d-168.0880737 Thank you Anton (talk) 13:25, 15 October 2019 (UTC) Further examples as I am sure someone will be saying that I am mistaken...,+AK,+USA/@66.2549161,-166.070014,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m8!1e2!3m6!1sAF1QipPSjFYHRuhY4sl5iy0oUKboRyA-EtSlId70EVr5!2e10!3e12!!7i1280!8i960!4m5!3m4!1s0x57337888734f02b5:0x665336ea22e8bc2e!8m2!3d66.2566289!4d-166.0720825,+Xinjiang,+China/@41.168779,80.260605,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m8!1e2!3m6!1sAF1QipPnNtz8TzApNbtYwyxLVhBGGLHoFDcCk6NO_lVt!2e10!3e12!!7i1920!8i2560!4m5!3m4!1s0x3863c81351ba79e5:0xbd42a56f2f96e4d5!8m2!3d41.1683169!4d80.2606201'Djamena,+Chad/@12.1348457,15.0557415,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m8!1e2!3m6!1sAF1QipMq-5CyLKUfWdkgiOwF0ZheE02jGcS0ON22JX4w!2e10!3e12!!7i2560!8i1440!4m5!3m4!1s0x111963cd18fcf74f:0xb8a3e92c76d2aa3b!8m2!3d12.1360052!4d15.0567627,+Samoa/@-13.8506958,-171.7513551,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m8!1e2!3m6!1sAF1QipMglAggQqGbWnRJkaAVuhcGqOqaxxnfXdiBiDwU!2e10!3e12!!7i3120!8i4160!4m5!3m4!1s0x71a513a364ec1003:0x893cc8c8c70af762!8m2!3d-13.8594139!4d-171.7602539,+AK,+USA/@70.2268224,-148.4012277,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m8!1e2!3m6!1sAF1QipOjeE4doGbxci8cAgreG-ltmoMJyvWBEK2a8yU9!2e10!3e12!!7i480!8i640!4m13!1m7!3m6!1s0x596984812d524ae9:0x39c94ce7e19c065b!2sMagadan,+Magadan+Oblast,+Russia!3b1!8m2!3d59.5611525!4d150.8301413!3m4!1s0x5120759875720bb9:0x9b76efe3a7385345!8m2!3d70.226028!4d-148.4033203,+Samoa/@-13.8506958,-171.7513551,3a,75y/data=!3m8!1e2!3m6!1sAF1QipNJ_XDzfW1G50dlWM8uxaqlEV1t7JtRSoaqlM-Q!2e10!3e12!!7i1944!8i2592!4m5!3m4!1s0x71a513a364ec1003:0x893cc8c8c70af762!8m2!3d-13.8594139!4d-171.7602539 — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:10, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

I don't understand why there are selfies and posed photos of people in Google Maps at all, regardless of the people in them. Have they recently added this feature ? As for the subjects being from India, it's a populous country, and many work abroad, so I would expect many selfies in locations outside India. The Samoa pics could actually be Samoans, though, as they do both share dark skin and black hair (and sharing your skin isn't easy !). I agree that they look like they are from India, but they are close enough that I could be mistaken. SinisterLefty (talk) 16:51, 15 October 2019 (UTC),+AK,+USA/@70.2268224,-148.4012277,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m8!1e2!3m6!1sAF1QipOjeE4doGbxci8cAgreG-ltmoMJyvWBEK2a8yU9!2e10!3e12!!7i480!8i640!4m13!1m7!3m6!1s0x596984812d524ae9:0x39c94ce7e19c065b!2sMagadan,+Magadan+Oblast,+Russia!3b1!8m2!3d59.5611525!4d150.8301413!3m4!1s0x5120759875720bb9:0x9b76efe3a7385345!8m2!3d70.226028!4d-148.4033203 — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:17, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

I live in New Zealand and neither of the two examples look Samoan to me. And their names definitely do not sound Samoan. I'm not sure it's possible to say for sure from the limited details shown whether the photos were taken although for one of them, it looks like there is some Brahmic script on a sign in the background which would seem a bit weird for Samoa. The other one has structure which also look a bit weird for Samoa and while I guess someone could have paid to have these made for something, I'm not sure how likely that would be. Nil Einne (talk) 20:17, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

October 16[edit]

working on sourcing[edit]

I am trying to improve the sourcing on the workers day article, as time permits every now and then. So my question is less for a reference but opinion on policy i guess. One statement, that may day is celebrated by the Communist Party of Bhutan is impossible to source. Now, of course i could just remove the claim and the country entirely but i was wondering if that ventures into sky is blue territory. I would like to source it properly, just to have the country in the list somehow i guess, but otherwise care little and have removed some things as well before. I mean there is no way to reliably source what some communist rebels in bhutan do on may day but... is it sky is blue... or communists are red in this case? ;) Cheers for opinions on the matter and it will be fine either way. 2003:D6:2729:FF9A:81E3:D836:355E:F212 (talk) 03:21, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Oh, and one more thing i just thought of while glancing at the list of countries overall. I have looked for a reliable source (not one of those holiday generator list things please) that actually states that Palestine celebrates may day as well. Now i have not looked for it this time around yet as i have only just now thought of the issue, but i could not find anything other than a blog or whatever if memory serves right. And even for something as uncontroversial as that, a blog won't do in my opinion. So any help in that regard would be great. And it is celebrated (at least according to the unreferenced article, the blog i remember and so on), i just cannot verify it with anything reliable. So any help with that would be even more apreciated. Anyway, cheers for any comments. 2003:D6:2729:FF9A:81E3:D836:355E:F212 (talk) 03:38, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
One suggestion is to look for governmental office calendars. They should list official holidays when the office is closed, but may also list unofficial holidays. SinisterLefty (talk) 04:08, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
Oh yes, i have no issue finding regular things most of the time pretty easy(like the holiday schedule of US embassies for example), Palestine just... has no such place to look up i guess lol. I mean i don't speak the language either, so anything official, which would do surely, i could not find. Or just some passing mention in some reliable middle eastern newspaper or whatever. Hence my issue really. Some nations i thought would be challenging were no problem. But Palestine, no luck, skill and ability to find anything to verify it haha. 2003:D6:2729:FF9A:81E3:D836:355E:F212 (talk) 04:22, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
Public holidays in the State of Palestine doesn't have any sources, but does have a list. --Jayron32 13:14, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, and that sadly is the issue. I know that it commemorated in some way. But no where can i find anything to verify it. And that is all that is needed really. I mean some passing mention in some reliable Syrian, Lebanese or Egyptian paper saying "oh hey look, Palestine has labour day too", for example, would be enough presumably. Or a primary document from a trade federation, government or what have you. Verifiablity not truth, as we all know :P 2003:D6:2729:FF9A:FDA5:157F:5A04:910D (talk) 13:43, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
This isn't the best source [3], but it seems to confirm Labour Day on 1st May is a holiday in Palestinian Authority areas as of sometimes ~2000-2004. This suggests it was probably still that in 2014 [4]. Not sure about Hamas controlled areas but [5] makes me think it probably is. [6] also suggests that Labour Day (of undefined date) is a public holiday in Gaza circa between 2010-2016 or so. I agree that finding someone who can understand Arabic will likely let you find better sources. BTW, it's not that hard to find sources discussing various celebrations or recognition in some part of Palestine in both English e.g. [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] and Arabic [12], and at least some of these may be RS, but that doesn't of course tell you if it's a public holiday or how widely it's celebrated. Nil Einne (talk) 18:24, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
Frankly I'm not convinced the day being celebrated by one banned minor political party in Bhutan is significant enough to add to the article, unless there's something particularly significant or contentious about that e.g. people are arrested for doing so. To put it a different way, if the Communist Party's celebration is so insignificant that it's impossible to source, then removing it is probably reasonable even if it's true. That said, it's also possible this is the sort of thing which may be could be sourced if you could understand Dzongkha or Nepali or something and had access to media and other sources from Bhutan. If celebrating May Day is a problem in Bhutan this probably should be mentioned separately from whether or not the Communist Party celebrates it. It does not seem to be an official holiday in Bhutan [13] [14], but that does not mean celebrating it is a problem. Nil Einne (talk) 17:57, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
To be honest, that is pretty much what i thought, but i was just curious and thought asking would not hurt. And quite frankly, i know hardly anything of Bhutan other than the name itself and where the place actually is... Now oddly enough i do know someone who speaks Nepali... but i don't see the point in contacting them out of the blue asking them to look for something Wikipedia related for me haha. Especially something as low priority as this. I think i will just remove it. But much apreciated for the comment on this and the other matter. Should do, but if anyone finds anything extra, do feel free of course. Thanks for the effort anyway. 2003:D6:2729:FF97:4578:6363:8AD9:F5A0 (talk) 19:31, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

October 17[edit]

Animal dreaming awareness[edit]

Do animals sometimes know they are dreaming, in the same way that humans sometimes do? (talk) 05:01, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Most animals aren't even self-aware. For example, they don't seem to recognize themselves in a mirror. So, they might just think of a dream as some type of illusion, like the mirror, and not think about it past that. For the few animals that do recognize themselves in a mirror, who knows ? SinisterLefty (talk) 05:16, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
I think it is faulty to assume that failing the mirror test implies lack of self-awareness. Realistically it indicates lack of understanding of mirrors. To the original question, I think it is unknowable whether animals ever recognize that they are in a dream state, as there would not appear to be any way for the animal to communicate this to you, except possibly with a talking parrot or signing ape (though apparently Koko (gorilla) never mentioned having a dream, though it's not apparent she even knew what one was [15]). Now, we might also ask if animals think what they dreamt was real, after they wake up. Also probably impossible to know, however, there is one idea that maybe could poke at this. It is well established that animals can remember things, and many have some degree of understanding of object permanence. Simple things like remember where things are. If animals believed that dreams were real, I think you might expect a lot of really confused animals. Indeed, studies of canine concepts of object permanence show dogs visibly displaying what is often interpreted as confusion or disbelief when a researcher surreptitiously alters their environment without their knowledge. You know, that or they just can't remember the dream. Someguy1221 (talk) 06:10, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
There's a strong tradition in animal psychology of behaviorism (and also for humans), which holds that so-called "internal thoughts" are not themselves observable by a neutral observer, so a proper scientific approach to psychology should ignore such things and focus on what can be observed. That is, in order for an independent observer to know what you are thinking (or are dreaming, etc.) they require you to report those thoughts. They can only observe what you say, they cannot directly observe those thoughts themselves. This is somewhat problematic for people, since this introduces problems of reproduceability and of bias and of accuracy, but it is majorly problematic for animals who cannot meaningfully communicate such things for studying. --Jayron32 12:34, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
I know the internal thoughts of all my pets. It is "Food? Is that food? Can I have food? Where's my food? Food? More food?" (talk) 13:29, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
Animals seem to be in constant search of food; instinctive behavior, even for well-fed pets. Everything our cat does seems to connect to food in some way. Petting the cat or playing with it, the next step is usually a run to the food dish. It might have been Jackson Galaxy who said that when cats play, they are "imagining" pursuit and capture of prey. And similarly, stroking a cat stimulates the cat, including the salivary glands. So what next after playing or petting? Eating, of course. With no actual mouse or bird there, they go for the consolation prize - the food dish. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:05, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
One observation which may be relevant is that pets that are clearly having active dreams (paws moving and making sounds as they sleep) don't seem at all affected when they awaken. That is, they aren't in an elevated state, as one would expect after chasing or being chased. This implies that they don't remember. SinisterLefty (talk) 14:43, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
This being a reference desk, here are some references:
What do Animals Dream About, a BBC article by Dr. Jason G. Goldman, a freelance science writer based in Los Angeles.
Animals have complex dreams, MIT researcher proves from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
The Evolution of REM Dreaming: New Research Includes All Mammals by Richard Wilkerson of the Smithsonian Institution, DC.
Alansplodge (talk) 17:39, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Final question: maybe I have improved ... :-)[edit]

Hi, ok, that's my last request in this area, also because then I ran aground and I'm sorry. Returning to the 2000 US elections, citing the infamous Palm Beach county as an example, I was told that the absentee ballots were counted by hand. And here is my definitive question: since they were not from punched, is it established, is it possible that they were ballots that had bubbles to be filled like today's optical scan ballots? Thanks a lot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:39, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Will we be mentioned in your book? Anton (talk) 16:19, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
A surprising number of questions get answered after they are archived -- sometimes years later. If for no other reason, I recommend that you create a Wikipedia account so that you can be notified if one of yours is answered. Either post back here or to my talk page using that account and I can help you get a note on those archived questions.
Have you tried contacting the Palm Beach County Supervisor of Elections office? -- ToE 03:08, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

I contacted them, and I am also confident about the answer. It is not the first time I contact them. Thank you very much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 07:30, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Flat pints of Magners & other drinks[edit]

How long does it take for a pint of Magners (known as Bulmers in Ireland) to go flat? How does this compare to pints of Budweiser, Foster etc? ( (talk) 18:48, 17 October 2019 (UTC))

That's an interesting question. Some quick Googling didn't give me any immediate answers, but it does seem clear that people are generally more concerned about beer/cider going bad than flat. Discussion about flatness (and, mostly, about how to avoid it) is centred around soda pop. The answer for pop, BTW, seems to be about 3-4 days, but I've got to think that's subject to lots of variables, including temperature and vessel size/shape. If you want to do the experiment yourself (science is fun!), the answer may be quite different depending on how you decide to define "flat" - is it only when all the CO2 is out? 50%? 10%? Do the items you're comparing start with the same amount? Matt Deres (talk) 03:02, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
The solubility of a gas in a liquid is determined by Henry's law, to figure out how that evolves over time is going to be very complex. I doubt someone worked that particular bit out for a single brand of beer, and compared it to others. --Jayron32 12:28, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

October 18[edit]

another request[edit]

So, still working on the workers day article and i am having trouble sourcing something again. But a specific statement this time. In regards to Brazil the article as of now reads "... It is also when salaries for most professional categories and the minimum wage are traditionally readjusted.", on labour day that is. Now, that is a somewhat unique thing, but i am having trouble with finding a source. NMaybe it is a past tradition, who knows what and how Brazil is doing things now anyway under... i rather not say what i think here lol. Besides the point anyway. But i am having issues finding anything about the matter. I am probably just not using the right search terms as i just get many results about the general labour laws or general data on the minimum wage in the country, yet nothing about the specified 'tradition' on 1 May. Not being able to speak Portuguese does not help it either of course. Because of its somewhat unique nature i would like to leave that statement in, or at least go into how it was a thing and then changed over time or whatever. So, to recap my question: Can someone help me find a source that talks about how the minimum wage, among others, gets traditionally adjusted on 1 May in Brazil? Cheers for any help on the matter. 2003:D6:2729:FF8D:19DA:2C8:FA93:649C (talk) 00:07, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

"According to a Federal Decree in 2011, the minimum wage will follow these guidelines: A base minimum wage of BLR 545 for 2011, A yearly adjustment that is to be made to the minimum wage every January 1st."[16]. DroneB (talk) 14:02, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
Interesting. Wonder if it is a hoax in the article or if there is at least some basis in reality for the claim. Will remove it tomorrow, on a mobile device now and editing on that is horrible. Cheers 2003:D6:2729:FF14:6537:58EC:E91D:6242 (talk) 19:08, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
In the future, please pick a title that lets us know what the question is about. SinisterLefty (talk) 19:13, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Scranton, Pen[edit]

Does anyone know the address where Peter Steele died in Scranton Pennsylvania? Perhaps PlanetStar can help? Also what were the circumstances surrounding this? Was he alone, was he rushed to hospital? Was this weightlifting , steroid or drug related? My main query would be an address where he was living when he passed. Thanks Anton (talk) 15:47, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Parts of a bowl[edit]

Besides the basic bowl of glass or clay or whatever, some bowls are held inside a decorative metal wire frame. Sometimes it is suggestive of what the bowl is going to hold, such as grape leaves decorating a fruit bowl. Is there a name for this metal piece? Our article doesn't seem to go into that (it's not in great shape). I thought this or this might be useful, but they're kind of restricted to discussing the parts of a simple bowl (rim, well, handle, etc). I'm struggling to find a photo, but picture this sitting inside that, but where the metal part really couldn't function on its own. Any help? Matt Deres (talk) 17:18, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Note that it may have originally been functional. That is, if a the bowl was round on the bottom, it would need the metal stand to keep from wobbling, and having it offset from a cold table would also keep the contents warm longer. So why would the ancients have created a bowl that was round on the bottom in the first place ? Could be they were limited by the material, such as coconut shell, turtle shell, etc., or perhaps manufacturing method (a clay bowl of nonuniform thickness might have been more likely to crack when fired). Then, over time, the stand could have become merely decorative. SinisterLefty (talk) 17:46, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
I don't know how to respond to that. In what way was that supposed to be helpful? Matt Deres (talk) 14:18, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
  • First, I gave you an actual name: "stand". Googling under this term finds many pics of such items: [17]. I thought you could do that much, since I already provided the word. There may also be other names for it. So, the idea here was that you would look at those items and decide if that is what you are looking for.
  • Second, since you seemed to only be aware of the decorative versions, I pointed out that there are also functional versions, so you will need to differentiate between the two, either when searching for such items, or if you, or another reader, choose to update our bowl article with this info. SinisterLefty (talk) 16:28, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
Note that the pic you provided didn't appear to show feet, or even a flat spot, on the bottom, although there could be very small feet or a flat not visible. If it is your intention to exclude all bowl stands with feet, you need to say so explicitly. There were/are also hanging frames for bowls to hang from the top [18] or side [19], but I don't think you are asking about those. (The 2nd is a pet bowl, but with some searching you might find a similar bowl for human use, perhaps for attachment to a pegboard for storage of loose items.)
If you meant to exclude all stands, and frames with attachment points for hanging, then the only other way I can imagine it could be used is held in the lap or hands, with the latter perhaps for ceremonial purposes (for passing out items), or sitting in a basin. Knowing the intended use will help with Google searches. For example, searching under hand-held bowls yields this result, designed to keep ice cream cold or hot foods warm, while holding it in your lap or hands: [20]. SinisterLefty (talk) 16:50, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

October 19[edit]

Football/Soccer - goal differances[edit]

In football/soccer, is there a differance between goals? (talk) 19:21, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

I'm having a little trouble understanding your question. Are you asking about differences between the scoring systems of American football and association football (soccer), or are you asking about different kinds of goals in soccer? For the first interpretation, see the linked articles. For the second, as far as I'm aware there's only one sort of goal in soccer, though there are different ways that it can happen. --Trovatore (talk) 20:12, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
They might also be asking about the goalposts or the distances between them. SinisterLefty (talk) 20:58, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
In Association football (soccer) played in over 200 countries the goal is the only method of scoring and is a frame 24 feet (7.32 m) wide by 8 feet (2.44 m) tall. In Gridiron football played in USA and Canada the goal is a secondary method of scoring by kicking over the crossbar and may consist of a crossbar suspended 10 feet (3.0 m) off the ground and uprights placed 18 feet 6 inches (5.64 m) apart extending at least 35 feet (11 m) above the crossbar, with variations for high school, arena and indoor games. DroneB (talk) 22:48, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Hay Mills Rotor Station - world's first heliport?[edit]

I have a non-reliable source, saying that Hay Mills Rotor Station, opened 1 June 1951, was "the World's first purpose built heliport". Can anyone confirm, with a reliable source, or refute, please? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:15, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Igor Sikorski's first helicopter design was in 1909, so it would seem unlikely that a heliport wasn't built for 42 years. Specifically, I would suspect some were built during WW2, although possibly no more than a cleared spot with a radio shack nearby. SinisterLefty (talk) 20:44, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
The Online Etymology Dictionary dates the word heliport from 1944. DroneB (talk) 22:29, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

October 20[edit]