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Invert the chronological order of a Songwriting and Production Credits list[edit]

Hello everyone,

I'm trying to invert the chronological order of a Songwriting and Production Credits list, so the most recent tracks can be show at the beginning of the list.

Could you give me a hand with that?

Thanks xx — Preceding unsigned comment added by Inca28a (talkcontribs) 12:09, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

@Inca28a: First, please use four tildes (~ ~ ~ ~, but no spaces) after your comment- it signs it. Second, depending on the table type, there's little arrows up by the top of the table. If you click the set of arrows in the box where it says "year" it should flip. -A lainsane (Channel 2) 13:07, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Inca28a (talk) 13:18, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi A lad insane‬, and thank you for your response. As you can see, I'm new in here and not sure how to respond on the same lead.

How do I modified the table then? Because at the moment, it has those tiles to flip the years over, but what I would like, is that straight away, when you're in the Wiki page without having to flip, you can see the latest tracks to the first one.

Thanks Inca28a (talk) 13:18, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

@Inca28a: Depending on the table this might be as simple as replacing a class="wikitable" by class="wikitable sortable", folks could then sort the table by its date column or similar. Otherwise oldest first is usual, your idea would be unusual. – (talk) 20:44, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
@Inca28a: On Wikipedia historical events are presented in chronological order. Putting the "latest news" at the top is how promotional publications do it, here we record history, we do not present news. You are welcome to make the table sortable, but the default order is the normal chronology, not reversed. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:25, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, Roger. Now I have a bigger problem. People is removing the whole content from the page. They're actually deleting facts: a list of songwriting credits and discography with verified sources. I don't know want to do. So much work and time invested to have the info up to date and available to the world and now, has been removed. Inca28a (talk) 19:10, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Re: Meaning of "esp." signifying beginning of partnership[edit]

I just now noticed that Tim Templeton wrote in his previous reply to my question about "esp.": "If they [Julian Assange and Sarah Harrison, in the infobox of the article on Assange] aren't married, it shouldn't say esp." He may have edited that in after I first saw the reply, but in any case the question then becomes what should appear to indicate the beginning of a non-marriage partnership. Also, does this mean that both "m." and "esp." are used for the beginnings of marriages? I assume in any event that if "esp." is incorrect or inappropriate in the Assange article, it should be changed to something else. Thanks. Roy McCoy (talk) 19:58, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Pinging Timtempleton, who might want to respond. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:46, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks @Nick Moyes:. Could you please explain "u" as opposed to ping or Reply to or Talkback. I'm confused about these options and wish there were fewer of them so I wouldn't have to be. –Roy McCoy (talk) 02:32, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

@Roy McCoy: Yes, there are a lot of them, and many repeat what others do. 're' and 'ping' place an '@' sign in front of one or more users' names, whereas 'u' just displays the user's name. All, however, result in a message notification displaying on those users' pages, providing the post has been 'signed' at the same time. See WP:NOTIFICATIONS for a fuller explanation, and do check the 'See also' links to the various other templates, including 'Talkback' which allows you to direct one user to a conversational thread on another page. In essence, find just the reply and reply at templates that work for you; stick to them and don't worry about the rest. Regards from a very soggy Spain. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:30, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
@Roy McCoy: @Nick Moyes: I couldn't find any proof that they were married - only that they dated. So I updated her article and put in a request for his protected article at Talk:Julian_Assange#Protected_edit_request_on_22_April_2019 TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 23:41, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks @Nick Moyes: and @Timtempleton: ping seems to be most common, so I'll try sticking with that for the time being. As for Assange, I don't think anybody said he and Harrison were ever married, and as far as I can see my question about "esp." or "m." is still unanswered. My guess would be that "m." is far more established than "esp." and should thus be preferred and even strongly. Tim's "dated" seems an improvement to "esp.", but it raises the question of whether people who have only dated someone should be listed as a partner in an infobox rather than simply mentioned within an article's chief text. –Roy McCoy (talk) 17:51, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Alexei Nikolaevich, Tsarevich of Russia[edit]

The lead mentions that the faith healer Grigori Rasputin "helped bring about the end of the Romanov dynasty". According to his own article, his disreputation might have spread to general disreputation of the Romanovs, but there's no source for that in either article. Regardless, the end of the Romanov dynasty shouldn't be simplified to a single cause in the lead in the biography of Alexei. Clovermoss (talk) 04:41, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Clovermoss. If you think there is something in an article that can be improved, in most cases you can go ahead and improve it yourself. The worst that can happen is that somebody reverts your change, and then if you want to take it further, you can open a discussion on the talk page, according to BRD. Alternatively, you can start a discussion on the article's talk page as your first step. There's not a lot of point in bringing it up here in the Teahouse. --ColinFine (talk) 20:16, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
ColinFine: Wow, I must have been really tired last night. I'm not entirely sure what my thought process was posting here, but I was probably thinking about posting to the article's talk page/possibly writing a note to myself to fix it. I actually completely forgot about this, so I'm going to take another look at the article now. Clovermoss (talk) 20:24, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
Hi Clovermoss. There is a source (not included in the article) citing how the Russian nobility and right-wing supporters of autocracy were convinced that Rasputin threatened the survival of the Romanov dynasty, which is the reason behind several attempts on his life (Tucker, Spencer (2005). World War I: Encyclopedia, Volume 1, p. 968). This source also states that although the faith healer did not materially affect the revolution, he might have hastened it. However, I agree that the end of the Romanov dynasty should not be attributed to a single cause. Darwin Naz (talk) 23:34, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Can i give honourary names ?[edit]

Can i give honourary names in vice chancellor's section of infobox university. Can i write prof, dr, major ex... prof Satis dhawan or Dr fatima devi. --Rocky 734 (talk) 09:55, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi Rocky 734. I believe the answer to your question can be found in MOS:DOCTOR. Generally, Wikipedia articles don't use pre-nominal letters or post-nominal letters when referring to a person by just their name like in an infobox; information about a person's academic or professional achievements, however, can be added to the body of the article if supported by citations to reliable sources and encyclopedically relevant to the reader. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:21, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
@Marchjuly: should i remove prof from vice chancellor section of infobox in Ouat article in other words write Soumendra Mohan Pattanaik instead of Prof. Soumendra Mohan Pattanaik. --Rocky 734 (talk) 01:09, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

If a content is sourced to a personal, self-published blog (written by a non-notable writer), should that content be removed from the article?[edit]

This went off the tracks quickly. This started out as a request for information well within our scope here and that was provided. Somewhere along the line the merits of a particular content dispute became the subject of this thread. That is outside the scope of the Teahouse. Please take this to the applicable article talk pages(s). From there follow procedures outlined at WP:DR and please AGF. John from Idegon (talk) 18:36, 23 April 2019 (UTC) (non-admin closure)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

When I read WP:RSSELF, about self-published sources, it seems clear to me that those can't be used as sources. This makes sense to me, as anyone can write something about any topic and put it on their blog and call it a source, and that would be disastrous. So I think I understand that policy. Nevertheless, when I removed content from John M. Ford that was sourced to exactly that, a self-published source by a non-notable, I have been reverted, more than once. So I thought I would ask here, as I've gotten help here before. Thank you. SteamboatPhilly (talk) 17:36, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Please note that the article in question is not a BLP, and that StramboatPhilly's attention has been drawn to WP:SPS, specifically "Self-published expert sources may be considered reliable when produced by an established expert on the subject matter, whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable, independent publications". The source in question,, follows these specifications and is explicitly discussed (in relation to an adjacent field) here. Yet SteamboatPhilly continues to pursue an edit war in contravention of BRD norms. Newimpartial (talk) 18:03, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
Actually, it does not say that they can't be used as sources. It says that they need to be used correctly, and lists several places where self-published sources could be used. It depends on the context of the citation. That being said, when there is a dispute, the correct course of action is to 1) remove the disputed text (the burden of proof is on a person who wishes to include some bit of information) and 2) Discuss the matter on the article talk page to reach consensus. --Jayron32 18:07, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
Thank you Jayron32, I especially appreciate the part where you mentioned that "the burden of proof is on a person who wishes to include some bit of information", I was not aware of that page till now. SteamboatPhilly (talk) 18:17, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
Not exactly. Since this is not a BLP, per BRD we revert to the stable version while the discussion takes place. Newimpartial (talk) 18:15, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
That's not what WP:BURDEN says. It says "Any material lacking a reliable source directly supporting it may be removed and should not be restored without an inline citation to a reliable source." and does not carve out a special exception for non-BLPs. --Jayron32 18:22, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
But the material in question is directly cited to a reliable source per WP:SPS. Since the additional restrictions placed on BLPs do not apply, the stable version should remain. In any event, there was no excuse for SteamboatPhilly to exceed 3RR on this non-BLP article. Newimpartial (talk) 19:42, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
It's only a "stable version" because you're a fan of the subject of the article, you added the content from a self-published, and no one else is paying attention to the article until I saw it. That doesn't mean that it's okay to keep content sourced to a self-published source in the article. And now another fan has re-added the content from a self-published source. Jayron32, is that how this works? If two people keep re-adding unreliable content, does it get to stay, even if it clearly violates the rules on reliable sources? SteamboatPhilly (talk) 22:43, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
SteamboatPhilly, whom I assume to be an inexperienced editor, is making incorrect assertions. Even a casual perusal of the page history for John M. Ford will show that I did not add the content in question, nor is there any evidence that I am a "fan" of the subject. All I have done is revert the removal of sourced content, objected to misleading edit summaries, started a Talk page discussion on the issue, and supported BRD while objecting to EW. I actually think there would be an UNDUE argument to the content in question - I don't have a horse in that race - but the sourcing is a complete red herring. Newimpartial (talk) 23:11, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
It. Is. A. Self. Published. Source. You keep saying "sourced content" but you ignore the fact that the source is self-published. You pointed to some page that says the writer of that content is considered reliable - but that page says he's reliable on the topic of web comics. Nothing more. John M. Ford is not a web comic. John M. Ford did not write web comics. You've ignored all of that in your quest to be "right", but you're not. This is really clear to me and I wish someone with some authority would weigh in on it, because after reading the policies, I can't see how any reasonable impartial person would disagree. SteamboatPhilly (talk) 03:54, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Kalpana Mohan Page[edit]

Hi, Thank you for your response. I am a fan & not an expert in writing or editing. Initially, I had made changes in the edit but stopped as caution by Oshwah. As ‪Symmachus Auxiliarus‬ mention in his message that "Note that IMDB alone can't be used to establish notability, in the Wikipedia sense of the word. " I agreed fact-checked can be done from the other sources like youtube videos. I can send you the link to verify the credentials of her work. I have edited the extra detail such as directors & co-star. I hope this is fine.

Filmography 1. Pyar Ki Jeet (1962) 2. Naughty Boy (1962) 3. Professor (1962) 4. Saheli (1965) 5. Teesra Kaun (1965) 6. Teen Devian (1965) 7. Biwi Aur Makan (1966) 8. Tasveer (1966) 9. Pyar Kiye Jaa (1966) 10. Nawab Sirazuddaula (1967) 11. Ek Bechara (1972)

Early life: She was also an accomplished Kathak dancer trained under Pandit Shambhu Maharaj. She was a good swimmer & Horse rider too.

Career: Nehru often invited Kalpana, a trained Kathak dancer, to dance at the Rashtrapati Bhavan whenever dignitaries visited. Actor Balraj Sahani and Urdu writer Ismat Chughtai spotted the beautiful dancer and encouraged her to come to Mumbai and try her luck in films.

References 1. The Unhappy Married Life of Actress Kalpana | Tabassum Talkies

2. Pt.J Nehru Favourite Actress |News Filmy Hai

3. The IMDB

Thank you for the invitation to Teahouse. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yashkkaryan (talkcontribs) 20:34, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

@Yashkkaryan: YouTube videos are not generally forbidden as references, but on enwiki videos in another language without English subtitles won't help. Articles in newspapers might be okay, if it's a newspaper with a page on enwiki, excl. The Sun and similar fake-news "sources". – (talk) 03:58, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
@Yashkkaryan: The IP's answer is incorrect, sources in any language are acceptable, but keep in mind that Youtube can be a problematic source. Mainstream news, magazine articles, or books from reputable publishers (in any language) are usually better than Youtube videos. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:01, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
The answer was a summary of WP:YOUTUBE×WP:NONENGEL, where have you seen YouTube videos without English subtitles used as references? – (talk) 22:28, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Question about marriage circa date in infobox[edit]

Hi Teahouse friends,

Recently I edited the infobox in an artist's page but I only know the rough date that they were married (but the widowed date is certain). Is there a way to reflect this without creating an error? It is the bio for Melissa Beowulf.

Thank you for your time! - SunnyBoi (talk) 23:01, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

@SunnyBoi: I can't be sure, but I think the c. template will work. Thanks for asking! -A lainsane (Channel 2) 23:11, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
  • @SunnyBoi: Since the marriage date does not seem to be sourced, I would remove it entirely, rather than put in a guesstimate (unless such guesstimate is given in a source). TigraanClick here to contact me 09:18, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

How add photos to an article, specifically "The Epic of American Civilization".[edit]

I have photos I took as an undergard, about 1951 of Orozco frescos at Dartmouth discussed in The Epic of American Civilization. Can they (should be?) added to article? How? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:26, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. Adding images to an article is done in two stages: first, upload the images (to Wikimedia Commons if possible, or otherwise to Wikipedia itself), and then add the image to the article. See Help:Files.
Normally, if you took the photos yourself, you hold the copyright, and you have complete right to release them (if you choose) under a license suitable for Wikimedia Commons. However, if your photos are of a work of art, I'm not sure you have that right: I think it may be a derivative work, in which the original artist also holds copyright. Please see commons:commons:Derivative works for more information.
If an image cannot be licensed appropriately, it is sometimes possible to upload it Wikipedia under a "fair use" rule, but it would need to satisfy all the criteria in Non-free content criteria. --ColinFine (talk) 17:34, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Can I add my Amazon Prime TV series to Wikipedia?[edit]

Gooday everyone - complete Wikipedia (editing) newbie here. This is a question that I'm sure gets asked rather frequently, so please, be gentle.

I have my own TV series on Amazon Prime, called Travels by Narrowboat. Originally the early seasons aired on YouTube but are now available exclusively on both the Pay Per View platform, Vimeo On Demand (VOD) and now also Amazon Prime (currently season one).

At the moment the series stands at 5 seasons and 34 episodes (on VOD), and it's popularity is expanding daily. The series has also just received it's own verified Google Knowledge Panel (which is a little garbled at the moment).

Simple question then, is this series suitable for inclusion on Wikipedia (like The Grand Tour for example) and if so, am I permitted to write this page myself please, (or how does one go about getting it created)?

Cheers in anticipation, Kevin — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevinshelley (talkcontribs) 00:44, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Check out Entourage (U.S. TV series), Durch die Nacht mit ..., or the Web series James Gunn's PG Porn as examples. If your series has similar independent reliable sources, e.g., NYT articles or Emmy awards, it would be notable. Also see WP:COI, you have an obvious Conflict Of Interest. "On demand" reduces your chances to below 0° C. – (talk) 04:14, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Hello and thank you for replying. I'd never heard of Entourage but I have now, thank you. Looks very interesting - sounds rather like the 'journey' I've been on. Perhaps it'll be best to wait until all the hard work and seasons are completed, and then attempt a Wikipedia page 'after' I've done the same amount of work promoting it? Cheers for your help, Kevin — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevinshelley (talkcontribs) 12:57, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Kevinshelley. Please note that promotion of any kind is forbidden on Wikipedia. If you are thinking about a Wikipedia article for any reason that might be thought of as promotional - as part of your online presence, for example, or to tell the world about your series - then you are fundamentally at odds with the purpose of Wikipedia, and likely to have a rough ride. Wikipedia is only interested in things that the world has already been told about. Sorry. --ColinFine (talk) 17:39, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Does my IP address stay if I change a Wikipedia page and sign in?[edit]


It was an accident and I wish I can undo it without any traces left

does it go away if you sign in? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hatintime (talkcontribs) 01:56, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

@Hatintime: Yes, your IP address is hidden to the typical editor when you are signed in. There is a group of special editors called Checkusers who can view it, but they are trusted not to excepting very unusual circumstances. -A lainsane (Channel 2) 02:00, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
Any edits you make while logged out will be recorded by its IP address in the page's edit history. But as noted above, there is no way for a typical user to tie your account name to an IP. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 02:49, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
  • @Hatintime: if you accidentally edited a page while logged out, your IP will be logged in the page history (which anyone can see). See WP:OVERSIGHT to ask for the log entry to be removed from public view if that happened. Do not put the details of the request on a public Wikipedia page such as here, but do give them in your email to oversight. TigraanClick here to contact me 09:15, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Categories in sandboxes[edit]

If I copy an article into my sandbox to play with, does it matter if I also have the category labels? I see that makes my sandbox show up on the category pages, which isn't ideal. But will anyone mind? (Use case: copy article source to sandbox, do a series of edits that makes it worse and then better, check that the article hasn't been edited since, copy sandbox to article) Iamnotabunny (talk) 06:01, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Just comment that out, i.e., add <!--  before the categories in your sandbox, and add  --> after the categories. Alternatively disable the categories with a leading :, e.g., replace [[Category:FooBar]] by [[:Category:FooBar]]. User pages (incl. sandboxes) popping up in categories not designed for user pages are seriously disruptive, it's about the only reason when I'd edit user pages of other users to fix this. – (talk) 06:15, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
Overwriting an article by copying from your sandbox can be tricky if there have been several other edits since you copied it. The method might be OK for articles that are seldom edited, but it would be better to make incremental changes to the live article if others are also editing it. Dbfirs 06:22, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm mostly doing this for articles that have hardly been edited for years. Ok, will fix. Iamnotabunny (talk) 23:56, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Oxford Dictionary of National Biography[edit]

Does anyone have a subscription to the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography? I want to get a copy of this entry on Cuthbert Eden Heath, OBE, for a Wikipedia article on him: [1]. Thanks for any assistance. Gillywell (talk) 07:24, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Gillywell, you could try Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:28, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
Gillywell, the link you gave is to the ONDB article anyway: seems you have it and all the information you need. (Incidentally, typo in the name: Cuthbert, not Cuthberth). If you are a member of a public library in the UK it's likely that you can access the ONDB and other Oxford references online with your membership card. Emeraude (talk) 08:34, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
The link is just to the extract, Emeraude. I presume that Gillywell wants to access the full text of the article. Gillywell, I have access to the text, so if you e-mail me (you'll need to turn on this function by following the instructions at WP:ENABLEEMAIL), I can attach it in reply. Cordless Larry (talk) 09:03, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi everyone thanks for the assistance. I fixed the typo in my request; however I'm not a UK resident. I have emailed Cordless Larry per his instructions and will await hearing back from him. Gillywell (talk) 09:18, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Gillywell & Cordless Larry My error. I hadn't realised that I was already logged in to ODNB when I clicked the link! Seems the original request has now been resolved, so well done. Emeraude (talk) 09:41, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Kelly Hyman (TV Legal Commentator, Lawyer and Actress)[edit]

Dear Teahouse, I am working on a wikipedia article and I feel the following links justify notability for Kelly Hyman. Could you kindly review before I start working on the article. Thank you.

09:12, 23 April 2019 (UTC)Josephintechnicolor (talk)

To other editor. Please see the SALT log at Kelly Hyman, Kelly Hyman (lawyer) and Kelly Hyman (attorney) before replying potential paid editing. Also, the right venue would be WP:Deletion Review. Matthew hk (talk) 10:32, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
FYI to everyone: Kelly Hyman as an article has been repeatedly created and deleted, dating as far back as 2014, most recently by Josephintechnicolor. Administrator approval required before a new draft can be submitted. IMO, looking at list of proposed refs would be wasted time until an Admin approves a retry. David notMD (talk) 11:46, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
Josephintechnicolor: the two links above that I bothered to follow (the first and third) are both based on interviews with Hyman, and thus cannot contribute in any way to her notability. Either you have failed to understand the criteria for notability, or you are desperately trying to sneak over the bar. In view of the comments above, I suspect the latter. --ColinFine (talk) 17:52, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
ColinFine Thank you for bothering. This goes well beyond the interviews with Forbes and Entrepreneur . Please consider this fact, Kelly was invited by FOX TV several times (and other Legal TV shows) and gave expert legal commentary and she continues to do so. I feel the citizens of America who watch and listen to Fox TV would consider Kelly notable. When FOX asks for HER opinion in front of millions it is only natural for a viewer to assume that person is notable. In conjunction with the interviews the News TV appearances further warrant her notability and inclusion in Wikipedia. I was originally told that beyond Kelly's "The Young and the Restless" role she is not notable but if we now add the FOX TV and interviews shouldn't that carry enough weight in a cumulative manner for the notability test? Kelly is a fighting legal public advocate and compared to Erin Brockovich, putting herself on the line to protect consumers. Is that an everyday feat done my millions? No. There are FEW good Samaritans, Kelly is one of the last of this breed. I will submit via WP:Deletion Review thank you. I appreciate your critique. Please note: you are quick to condemn my submission but when someone like Matthew HK obliterates NAZI relevancy from qualified sources on the wikipedia article of Raiffeisen Zentralbank he does not even get a slap on the wrist, how can he still be allowed on this platform is well beyond me. If I added NAZI affiliation to Krispy Kreme Wikipedia would he remove them as well or is it only Raiffeisen he is protecting? I will find out. There seems to be some protectionism going on. Thank you. (Note: I had nothing to do with past Kelly submissions and my goal here is to get my recent submission reviewed and approved, there is no payment and I mentioned that many times. Just look at my articles, how could any of them be paid? 1) Rivercrest Mental Asylum long closed down, 2) deceased Supreme Court Judge from Italy). Matthew hk David notMD 10:37, 24 April 2019 (UTC)Josephintechnicolor (talk)
Josephintechnicolor. I have no interest in Hyman, and have no wish to be further involved in this. I contributed solely to give you (my view of) Wikipedia's requirements and how you do not appear to me to be meeting them. From the part of your tl;dr above that I read, I conclude that you have not understood the special Wikipedia meaning of Notability, as you appear to be arguing on the basis of a different meaning of the word. I concede that the meaning you are using is the one in general use, but Wikipedia, as a private venture, is entitled to use any criteria it chooses for what is an acceptable subject, and has (re)defined the word "notability" accordingly. What you need is several places where people who have no connection with Hyman have chosen to write (or speak) at some length about her, and been published in reliable places. It is possible that your list of links contains such, but if so you have buried them among links that do not. Understand that not one word that Hyman has spoken, written, or published, contributes to her notability (in the Wikipedia sense). And not one word that her friends, colleagues, or associates have spoken or written about her contributes. And nor is any number of followers or likes - in fact, almost nothing on social media - relevant.
On the last part (which I have only glanced at): if you think that somebody else is behaving inappropriately on Wikipedia, engage with them in discussion (see BRD, or if it is their behaviour per se that you think is inappropriate, WP:ANI is the place to bring this up. None of this has any relevance to whether your submissions are accepted or not. --ColinFine (talk) 14:30, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
ColinFine I really appreciate your feedback. Well noted on the rest, thank you.05:46, 25 April 2019 (UTC)Josephintechnicolor (talk)

Follow-up to Review my first created business page[edit]

New article, is needed to change smth. for approval?

Hi, everyone! Thank you for your support and contribution. I have a purpose to create many articles and edit, improving our Wikipedia day by day. Now I created my first article, Global Data Intelligence Limited, and do not know if it's ok. Added some reviews. Please, give me some recommendations if is needed to change something or add. Thank you in advance! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trymemore (talkcontribs)

Article is currently at AFD (not by me). shoy (reactions) 14:12, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
@Trymemore: WP:ORGCRIT looks good as a guideline. I've tweaked your article, e,g., I replaced a "forbidden" Crunchbase by an allowed Companies House reference. So far none of the references are obviously Reliable Sources (RS), check out the three competitors listed by you as good examples. Maybe suggest to move the article back to a draft in the AfD, but I'm not sure what's the best strategy at this point. – (talk) 01:35, 25 April 2019 (UTC) Thank you so much for your advice! It's so helpful! I also thought to move the article into the draft, but someone moved back into the article, I do not know how correct is it. Hope everything we will resolve together with Wikipedia editors. :)

Wiki page "reads like advertisement"...[edit]

Can someone help me edit my draft so my page doesn't read like an advertisement. There are plenty of wiki pages about sports teams (pro through amateur) and I am just trying to add another. I have all the information and references to the club and such, but I still get reviewer notes that it reads like an advertisement.

Is anyone able to help me get this edited? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Allusivereaper7 (talkcontribs) 14:40, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi Allusivereaper7 and welcome to the Teahouse. I assume the question is about Draft:New Hampshire Wolves Hurling Club which was rejected for reading like an advert and for not having sufficient WP:Reliable sources. Youtube is not considered reliable since anyone can put anything there. Can you find independent sources where the club has been written about, perhaps in newspapers? When you have improved the article a little further, just click the submit button for another review. In particular, who says that the club "has seen continued growth and success", and who says that "the documentary remains popular with military and hurling enthusiasts"? Dbfirs 15:15, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
Hello Dbfirs, the youtube references are for the videos mentioned, and are from reliable sources that also posted them on youtube as well as being broadcast on TV and military networks. And there are other independent sources and articles about the club that are noted in the references so I didn't think those were issues. I've added another reference textbook and removed the phrases I can't track a source down, but its all essentially the same text with articles from reliable sources.
Yes, Youtube is OK for certain things, but reviewers don't like a whole list of Youtube refs. I see you have now submitted the draft for review. I hope it is accepted this time. Dbfirs 17:46, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Deleting a subpage of my user page[edit]

How do I do this? Jmar67 (talk) 17:43, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

@Jmar67: Add the {{db-u1}} template to the subpage you wish to have deleted and it will be processed by an admin according to WP:CSD#U1. Regards SoWhy 18:00, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

pseudoscientific theories Graham Hancoc[edit]

I found this article completely wrong on its use of the word "pseudoscientific" theories and Graham Hancock in the same article.

Please see Joe Rogan #1284 for scientific rebuttal of this false accusation. Wiki has made a serious error to allow this.the site should contain the recent " nature" paper proving some of his claims.

If this is about our article on Graham Hancock, then I would consider the description fair. You are welcome to discuss changes on the talk page of the article. Dbfirs 18:01, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
What are Joe Rogan's credentials that allow what he says to be taken as reasonable rebuttals? --Jayron32 18:45, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
He is mixed martial arts color commentator, what more do you need? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:15, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
I think it is more his standup comedy which is more applicable here. Maybe Fear Factor. --Jayron32 23:40, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

How to Gwt Fully Protection for a Page?[edit]

Someone (an actor named Rangga Dj0ned) asking me to handle & conplete his Wikipedia page. He gave me his CV file & some picture,but the page is always gettin' edited by another user. I feel so inresponsibility for that to happen. So,I want to fet full protection for Rangga Djoned english wikipedia page I create yesterday. Can anyone help me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arieflongbottom91 (talkcontribs) 18:31, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

@Arieflongbottom91: Pages are only protected to prevent vandalism. You don't control the page. Please read WP:OWN and WP:PAID. RudolfRed (talk) 18:42, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
@Arieflongbottom91: (ec) Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You seem to be referring to a subpage of your user page, which is not article space. It won't be seen by the general public by search engines; they would have to come here and know where to find it. According to the edit history, no one else has edited it except to move it off your user talk page(a page meant for communication with you) to its current location and to remove inappropriate categories, so I'm not sure what you are concerned about. Pages are not protected just because the primary author does not want others to edit them.
I would further add that any page about this person is not "their page", but a page about them. They have no special rights to it or control over it, and cannot dictate what appears there on their own. You cannot prevent others from editing it just because you don't want them to. This is not social media where you can say what you want about yourself and keep others from editing about you. This is a collaborative project to write an encyclopedia. If this person just wants to tell the world about themselves and indeed control what appears on their page, they should use Facebook or social media. A Wikipedia article is not necessarily desirable, as well.
Furthermore, if this person asked or hired you to represent them here, you must comply with the conflict of interest and paid editing policies. If you are employed by this actor, the latter policy is a Terms of Use requirement and not negotiable. 331dot (talk) 18:43, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
Arie has since declared paid relationship on User page. John from Idegon blanked the entire draft because of no references and undeclared paid. The article can be rescued as a draft and references added. As a draft, you can work on improving it, but there is no rule to stop other editors from making changes. This can happen because editors are trying to help the draft come into compliance with what is allowed in a Wikipedia article. If the draft is submitted and accepted, it can continue to be edited by other editors, as long as content is supported by valid references. There is no ownership. David notMD (talk) 20:37, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Ted Kaehler[edit]

Ted Kaehler is mentioned at least 20 times in various articles about programming languages, but there is no page for him. Consider this a request. Keith Henson (talk) 18:48, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Keith Henson, this request will probably be forgotten if you only put it here; you should add it here. Eman235/talk 18:57, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
@Hkhenson: Also, per WP:REDYES, it's not only allowed but encouraged to red link any instances of the name in other articles if the subject is notable but has no article yet. The more articles link to a non-existing page, the likelier it is that someone will create it. Regards SoWhy 19:11, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Messages about Editing that I did not do[edit]

I got a message that said my IP address was used to update pages, should I be concerned? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:42, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

If you have a nonstatic/floating IP, you shouldn't be concerned as who the IP is assigned to can change. If you have a static IP, you should only be concerned if someone is using your computer or network without your knowledge or permission(are you sure a family member or authorized friend did not edit Wikipedia?) 331dot (talk) 19:44, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
If you create a user account, then when you log in you'll only get messages targeted to you. I'm not aware of any crackdowns in editing at the University of St. Thomas that would necessitate the privacy of an anonymous IP address. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 19:52, 23 April 2019 (UTC)


So what do you mean Hi Rosey sanchez! Thanks for contributing to Wikipedia. Be our guest at the Teahouse! The Teahouse is a friendly space where new editors can ask questions about contributing to Wikipedia and get help from experienced editors like Masumrezarock100 (talk). Visit the Teahouse

We hope to see you there! Delivered by HostBot on behalf of the Teahouse hosts 21:30, 23 April 2019 (UTC) form Rosey Sanchez. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rosey sanchez (talkcontribs)

Hello, Rosey sanchez. The message you received on your talk page was an automated one, sent to very new editors who have just joined Wikipedia. We like them to know that if they get stuck, or need help with editing the encyclopaedia, that we have a group of volunteers here who can assist them. We call it the 'Teahouse', and we like to make it as supportive and friendly as we can. So, welcome!
We ask everyone to sign their posts by typing four keyboard tilde characters (like this: ~~~~). By doing so, the system automatically adds their username and a timestamp to their post. That way, we know who has written each message, and when, so that we can reply to them as best we can.
I should point out that we expect users not to create content or write short essays on their main userpage, as you have done. Please use that page just for saying a few words about yourself and your editing interests. See WP:USERPAGE for more help on that. Your talk page is for messages between editors, whilst your sandbox is one of the places to work on creating new content before it gets moved into the main part of the encyclopaedia. To learn more, why not try out interactive tour called The Wikipedia Adventure. I'll drop by your talk page in a moment a leave another welcome message for you, stuffed full of other useful links to get you started. Just pop back here if you need to know anything else about contributing to this encyclopaedia. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:01, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Waddle On[edit]

So.. I was trying to create a page for Club Penguin Rewritten, a Club Penguin Private Server created in favour of Club Penguin's closing, yadda, yadda, yadda.

Since it was a redirect to Club Penguin, I removed that and started to work on a page of its own.

So I was creating the page and everything was going smoothly, I put in an MMO stub so hopefully other people could contribute to my minute's worth of info. So then I wait for a few hours.

Hours passed, so I check in, go to my watchlist (the page was on it) and someone had edited it, I was thrilled, thinking that they contributed to the page. So I clicked on it, only to see, they removed everything and put back the redirect.

My question is, how do I edit a page, and make sure people don't re-direct it or delete it. It's a question I need answered. ;-;

Thanks. (^o^)

TheAnonymousWikedian (talk) 22:42, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

@TheAnonymousWikedian: Welcome to the Teahouse. What you had written (before it was redirected) was this short uncited page. If you can demonstrate that a completely new article is merited (and you would do that by finding reliable independent sources that show this particular version meets our Wikipedia:Notability (video games) criteria, then the best way for you to proceed is via Articles for Creation. You would work on creating a draft and submitting it for review which, if approved (and I'm afraid I suspect it would not), then the finished draft would be put in place of the current redirect. My view is that you would be far better expanding the section within Club Penguin, and that a separate article is not necessary. I'm sorry this probably isn't what you really want to hear. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:06, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
@TheAnonymousWikedian: Club Penguin (franchise) might be an even better place to add the info - seems a bit disjointed now. Maybe even a Club Penguin (disambiguation) page for ease of navigation and simplicity? TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 00:28, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

First Edits Reverted[edit]

I made my first real edits on Wikipedia to the Captain Rex article but they got reverted within minutes. It doesn't seem that I'm a very good editor. Can I expect this with most edits I make? LonelyHorse9 (talk) 01:52, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Learning curve. David notMD (talk) 02:36, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
Hello LonelyHorse9 and welcome to the Teahouse. Having your edits reverted occasionally is part of the normal process, but I am sorry that happened on your very first edit. If you click on the "View History" tab at Captain Rex, you can see the explanation for why it was reverted. Most were straightforward; the trickiest one is the need to arrange suitable copyright release before a picture can be included - that catches everybody because most of the internet pays so little attention to copyright issues. You obviously have the right attitude and I encourage you to continue editing at Wikipedia. I see that you have already started on the Wikipedia Adventure, which is a great start. I have also put some links on your User Talk page with some links that might be helpful. --Gronk Oz (talk) 03:07, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
@LonelyHorse9: Sorry I'm a bit late to the discussion, but I just wanted to let you know that your first edits being reverted doesn't mean you're not a good editor- my first edits were reverted back in 2015, and now I'm certainly not an admin or anything, but at least I'm still here! As Gronk Oz said, you have a great attitude about contributing, and I wish you the best of luck in your Wikipedia journey. -A lainsane (Channel 2) 16:49, 24 April 2019 (UTC)


Do all websites that use the MediaWiki engine "look like a Wikipedia?" (talk) 02:12, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Yes at least the layout(css) is not different. So the websites might look pretty similar. Sincerely, Masum Reza 08:33, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
Well, if they use the Vector skin (or to a certain extent Monobook). Some wikis, like this might be a wiki, use MediaWiki but with a custom skin that does not resemble Wikipedia. Eman235/talk 13:41, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
Apart from different skins you can figure out different MediaWiki features on Special:Version. – (talk) 02:06, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

En Wikipedia blocked in PRC[edit]

Need confirmation and possibly only temporary, but it might be of interest that English Wikipedia is now inaccessible in the people’s republic of China without the use of a vpn. Articles which mention censorship might eventually need editing, but am leaving the notice more as a piece of info for anyone planning to travel here. China based Wikipedians who need to use vpns are going to be accessing via webhosts and may need permissions for IP block exemption etc. Edaham (talk) 05:36, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Well I don't know about that. I am pinging a Chinese editor I know. @Unnamelessness: Hey is this true? Sincerely, Masum Reza 08:37, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
occasionally these things happen from region to region, so it’s possible it’s just where I am. Edaham (talk) 11:06, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
Unfortunately, yes. Em... Since yesterday. (Mar. 23rd) Maybe it is temporary, but I'll be honest, it's BS. -- Unnamelessness 13:17, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

How to publish a page[edit]

Hi, I have created a page in my Sandbox and would like to publish it. How can I do this?

Gabby 12:26, 24 April 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vedlagt (talkcontribs)

Hello, Gabby. I see you have now submitted your sandbox for review, so you just need to be patient. In the meantime, you can improve your draft: it will make it easier for the reviewer if you format your citations rather than giving bare links: see referencing for beginners. And in my view it could do with an introductory sentence saying who he was. (Starting in with "XXX played a prominent role" seems to land the reader in the middle of a story). --ColinFine (talk) 14:36, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Next To band[edit]

We have a band I'm srilanka call NEXT TO. So, how I add details when fans search it, they can get details — Preceding unsigned comment added by Praby shaky (talkcontribs) 14:46, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Unfortunately, Praby shaky, Wikipedia is not a soapbox or a means of promotion. Please advertise your band elsewhere. JTP (talkcontribs) 14:55, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

New articles[edit]

How do I make my article officially available? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:24, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

What article are you referring to? Did you create a draft? Eman235/talk 17:30, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
You might find Your First Article gives you the information you need. Nick Moyes (talk) 17:42, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Page image limit?[edit]

Hello. I am currently working on a page titled List of Kentucky supplemental roads and rural secondary highways (500-999). I have recently discovered a unique problem. After an entry for Kentucky Route 617, all images for further entries in the Template:Infobox road small are missing. Does Wikipedia have a limit on how many images/files can be on a single page? Matthewshill (talk) 18:15, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Matthewshill welcome to the Teahouse. You have found an interesting problem, it seems. I wasn't aware of an image loading limit, but it appears there is one. I have tested your page by previewing it with upper sections cut out, and found that the lower ones after section 617, which previously weren't displaying road numbers, now do so. The pragmatic solution would be to split up this now huge (179,500 byte) article into two, and simply carry on working on them. But to find out the actual cause and any image limits, you could ask at WP:VPT, which can probably answer the much more technical questions that we cannot here. Sorry I can't help you further. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:11, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
The inclusion limit for expensive parser functions was exceeded:
NewPP limit report 
Parsed by mw1321
Cached time: 20190424201319
Cache expiry: 2592000
Dynamic content: false
CPU time usage: 7.224 seconds
Real time usage: 7.701 seconds
Preprocessor visited node count: 181435/1000000
Preprocessor generated node count: 0/1500000
Post‐expand include size: 1110577/2097152 bytes
Template argument size: 59622/2097152 bytes
Highest expansion depth: 17/40
Expensive parser function count: 548/500
Unstrip recursion depth: 1/20
Unstrip post‐expand size: 214630/5000000 bytes
Number of Wikibase entities loaded: 0/400
Lua time usage: 3.380/10.000 seconds
Lua memory usage: 8.71 MB/50 MB

. {{Infobox road small}} uses #ifexist calls, which are expensive. Ruslik_Zero 20:19, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

@Matthewshill: If you turn on "Show Hidden Catagories", you will see that the page has some errors: Hidden categories: Category:Jct template errors and Category:Infobox road transclusions without route marker and Category:Pages with too many expensive parser function calls. Breaking the page up into smaller sections as suggested above may solve the last one, not sure about the other errors. RudolfRed (talk) 20:40, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

I want to contribute to the this article Mike Noriega[edit]

Hello, M21212121. Welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid I have removed the old article which you pasted in with your question as it was not appropriate for a number of reasons. As you know, the page about Mike Noriega was deleted in 2014 as he (you?) was deemed not sufficiently notable to have a page here. See: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mike Noriega. Has something in his career changed significantly to now merit a page this time? If so, perhaps you could supply some sources to show this, as we can advise you. Meanwhile, since starting to reply to you I see you have been blocked for non-constructive editing, which is a shame. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:21, 24 April 2019 (UTC)


is it possibble to reactive Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by number of recent edits and Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by article count Fanoflionking

Cf. Wikipedia:Editcountitis.Face-tongue.svg84.46.52.26 (talk) 02:15, 25 April 2019 (UTC)


When a user is signed in is there a place where every article a user visited is recorded? Like a "browsing history" equivalent?

Adderallman (talk) 22:44, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Yes. It's called user contributions and there should be a link in your toolbar. If not you can access yours at Special:Contributions/Adderallman. Thanks for stopping by, Adderallman. John from Idegon (talk) 01:19, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
JFTR, Special:MyContributions covers my edits (excl. uploads, that's Special:MyUploads), and you can replace your name (or IP) by another name (or IP) to check edits + uploads by others. The logs are also interesting (thanks log, block log, changed user rights, patrol log, etc.), but AFAIK you cannot get your own or other views without any modification:
That would be a major privacy nightmare; even the thanks log got the required privacy warning after folks from the EU told the WMF where the hammer will fall. – (talk) 02:26, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
Actually, John from Idegon - the contributions log is only those pages where you do something to alter the page. I am not aware of anyway to see where an editor simply views a page.Onel5969 TT me 02:28, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
Yea, I misread that. Sorry. As 84 etc said above, I can't imagine Wikimedia software would record that. It pulls the page view so those can be counted but I cannot imagine it would have any identification data attached. John from Idegon (talk) 02:32, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Updating the title of a page[edit]


My group ( created a page titled "Mixed flowing gas" (quite some time ago). First, it applies to mixed flowing gas tests or testing. Second, most people refer to it, and we believe would first try to search for it, as "MFG." This is the common acronym. We have substantially expanded the page with what we believe is helpful further information. My dilemma: we retained most of the text from the "mixed flowing gas" page. If we were to create a new page titled "Mixed Flowing Gas (MFG) Tests" with the text on the current page, would it be considered plagerism? Or, is there some mechanism for updating the title of the current page? Thanks for your time and attention. Bob — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robertgutter (talkcontribs) 23:29, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Hello Robertgutter and welcome to the Teahouse. There are several issues to cover here. Firstly, I have added an entry for Mixed flowing gas at the disambiguation page MFG, so if somebody looks for "MFG" they can find it. Secondly, there is a serious issue with that article - it does not have any references at all. Every article, and every claim within each article, needs to be supported by cited sources. See Help:Referencing for beginners. Thirdly, you have several options depending on what will be most meaningful to the reader: you could just expand the existing article (this is the easiest, and the current article is quite short so IMhO this would be simplest), and if you want you could add a redirection from a different title. Alternatively, it is possible to rename an article (which changes the title) using the "Move" facility. That is restricted to more experienced editors, so drop me a note if you would like me to rename it for you (let me know precisely what you want the new title to be).--Gronk Oz (talk) 00:59, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

attempt to edit the "Newfoundland Wolf" page[edit]

I tried to add a simple, single sentence to the page. It was a factual and "to the point" statement, and I selected that it was a minor change. Afterwards I refreshed the page, and it didn't show up. I'm wondering how I can get this information added to the page and to stick? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smack07 (talkcontribs) 03:38, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi Smack07 and welcome to the Teahouse. Your edit was reverted because you didn't provide a WP:Reliable source. When you have found the source, just add your statement back again with the reference. Dbfirs 04:08, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
@Smack07: I tried to find a reference, but couldn't find a good one (only one first-person reference or blogs). As soon as you find a source, you can add it back to the article.--Esprit15d • talkcontribs 12:49, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

New multiwiki system[edit]

Hello, I would like to introduce a new initiative by Yurik at Multilingual Templates and Modules. The tech and non-tech people from this wikipedia are invited to share their views and facilitate its implementation here. Thanks Capankajsmilyo(Talk | Infobox assistance) 08:18, 25 April 2019 (UTC)



Thanks so much for your help!

Gabby 08:42, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

@Capankajsmilyo:The purpose of this page is to answer users' questions about how to use Wikipedia. Promoting person projects is frowned upon this page and anywhere else at Wikipedia.--Esprit15d • talkcontribs 12:41, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Adding a service announce by twitter on twitter's page[edit]

Hi everyone, I just found news about Twitter where twitter informed to keep Indian Election unbiased by protecting its platform from misuse. So I want to add it in the Twitter's Wikipedia page under services and announcements. But the option to edit is not showing. What to do?

Thanks! --Prabhakarzx (talk) 11:44, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

@Prabhakarzx:The article has a protected status, and so new users must submit a request to edit it. Click on the "view source" tab at the top of the page, and then submit an edit request. Someone will review it.--Esprit15d • talkcontribs 12:39, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

how to publish article from sandbox to live[edit]

I have created article in wikipedia sandbox but i really dont know how to publish live. Please help — Preceding unsigned comment added by Preetsanghreri (talkcontribs) 11:50, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

@Preetsanghreri: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You cannot "publish" it yourself as your account does not have 10 edits. I will shortly add the appropriate information to allow you to submit it for a review by another editor. 331dot (talk) 12:45, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Moving an article from sandbox into published Wikipedia article[edit]

I do not get the "Move" option on my sandbox. How can I move my article out of the sandbox and publish it live? Here it is: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bonn1770 (talkcontribs) 12:32, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

@Bonn1770: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You cannot move the draft because your account is not more than four days old. You can submit it for review using Articles for Creation, but if you did so now, I believe it would be rejected, as it reads as one big advertisement for IDAGIO largely sourced to press releases and basic business annoucements. What is needed is significant coverage in independent reliable sources that indicates how it is notable.. If you are associated with IDAGIO, you must declare that per WP:COI and WP:PAID. 331dot (talk) 12:39, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

I have edited a wiki page which said "this article is written like an advertisement". How do I remove this template?[edit]

I tried editing the source and removing the advert template. It gets reverted everytime. What to do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Faizanmqs (talkcontribs) 13:00, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

@Faizanmqs: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Your edit history indicates no other edits associated with your account(meaning you edited without an account or a different account); in order to help you, you will need to tell which article you are referencing. 331dot (talk) 13:04, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
Looks to be Sanjiv Mehta (Indian businessman). If so, then possible that Faizanmqs has been editing while not logged in and under other User names. David notMD (talk) 14:55, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
Hello, Faizanmqs and welcome to the Teahouse. If another editor reverts your change (any change, whether to content or to maintenance tags) you should not reapply the change, but should open a discussion with the other editor to try and reach consensus. See WP:BRD. You can see who has reverted your change (and what message they left, if any) by looking at the History of the article. --ColinFine (talk) 23:06, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Help me![edit]

Is there anyone here want to help me to create a page,please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arieflongbottom91 (talkcontribs) 13:20, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

@Arieflongbottom91: Hello and welcome to "The Teahouse" What exactly do you mean? and what kind of page do you want to create? - JJBullet (Talk) 13:48, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
──────────────────────Also adding on to my question, how many pages have you created so far? - JJBullet (Talk) 14:03, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
If you mean Rangga Djoned, you can try again now that you have declared a paid situation on your User page. Your deleted draft can be recovered. Will still need references. David notMD (talk) 14:58, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Article marked as a copyright infringement - ways to remedy?[edit]

Hello fellow Wikipedians! I just submitted my first article, yohooo! However, it has been marked for deletion for copyright infringement. I was wondering if I can now go back in and paraphrase the wording? Or is it better to wait for the page to get deleted and then create a new one? Thanks so much for your help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by TravelHacks (talkcontribs) 14:18, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

It would probably be better to wait for it to be deleted and start fresh. In general, Wikipedia articles need to be wholly original text, though of course you should always cite your sources of information. In the case of a clear article whose entire text is a copyright violation, just let the admins delete it, and start fresh with your own original text (with proper citations, of course). --Jayron32 14:23, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

help with draft to publish[edit]

Can I get some help with editing this draft and get it ready for review please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:53, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Hey anon. You may want to consider asking over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history. GMGtalk 15:49, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

How to make a page about my company in wiki?[edit]

I created a page in name of my promotions or activities are given in the page,I just had provided basic details like registration number and website in that page..but someone had made that page in speedy deletion..

Please tell me how I can make a page in the name of my company,it's just a startup company...

Thanks and regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Macgnam (talkcontribs) 15:43, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Hello Macgnam. For a subject to meet Wikipedia's standards for notability and qualify for an article, it needs to have sustained in-depth coverage in reliable sources, usually things like magazines, newspapers and books, and excluding things like official websites, press releases, and routine database information. The overwhelming majority of start ups will not meet this standard. When or if your company does, you should not write the article yourself, because you have a conflict of interest. Instead, if your company is or becomes notable, a volunteer will likely eventually write about it on their own. Attempting to circumvent this process is highly likely to end with your efforts being deleted, and can actually make it less likely that the subject will eventually get any article. GMGtalk 15:47, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
@Macgnam: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The short answer is, that you don't. You have what we call a conflict of interest and are a paid editor. As such, you should not directly edit about your company. Furthermore, the fact that you describe it as a "startup" probably means there are not sufficient independent reliable sources to establish that your company meets Wikipedia's definition of notability, written at WP:ORG. Wikipedia has no interest in merely telling the world about your company, nor in what your company wants to say about itself, only in what independent sources with significant coverage state about it. If you just want to tell the world about your company, you should use social media, your own website, or an alternative forum. When your company becomes notable, independent editors will write about it.
You edited your user page, which is not article space- perhaps you confused creating an article with creating an account- but your username cannot be that of your company, you must visit Special:GlobalRenameRequest or WP:CHUS to request a change immediately. 331dot (talk) 15:50, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Problem with adding map to Infobox:Settlement[edit]

I'd appreciate it if someone would look at Canisteo Center, New York and fix the map. I can't figure it out and I can't find relevant instructions. Thank you. deisenbe (talk) 16:59, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

 Working GMGtalk 17:03, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
@Deisenbe:  Done GMGtalk 17:08, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
The map caption is erroneously repeated under the pushpin map. I can't figure that out either. deisenbe (talk) 17:15, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
 Done per the template documentation, the pushpin map caption defaults to the image caption; can be specified with |pushpin_map_caption=. MB 17:33, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Rename Draft article to non-draft[edit]


I attended a "how to edit" event at the Smithsonian a couple of months ago. I understood that as a novice I couldn't create an article but I could create a Draft article, and that after a certain amount of time and a certain quota of edits I would be able to rename it so that it became a production article. At that time, I thought I understood, an additional choice would appear with "Read/Edit/Edit Source/View History? on the Edit screen.

I created "Draft:Virginia Smith Jones" during the event.

The additional choice has not showed up on my Edit screen. What hurdle have I not jumped?

20 MINUTES LATER: turned out I needed just one more edit. Doc has been "moved". Thanks.MakerOfTools (talk) 18:59, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks MakerOfTools (talk) 18:36, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi MakerOfTools and welcome to the Teahouse. When the draft is ready for publication, you can submit it for review by adding {{subst:submit}} to the start of the draft. At present, it lacks independent references, so it needs a little work to establish WP:Notability. You need to make one more edit to be WP:Autoconfirmed so that you can move articles yourself. Dbfirs 18:52, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks Dbfirs. I made one more edit and then moved the document, sounds like prematurely. I am not sure what constitutes an "independent" references. I have two references to different sources. What is additionally needed? MakerOfTools (talk) 19:03, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

The article will still be reviewed, but you should improve it now before the review to ensure that it is not rejected. Independent references should be WP:Reliable sources in which the subject has been written about at length, and the article should summarise these. Your first paragraph has no references. Dbfirs 19:14, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
The move was premature, and resulted in a redirect page in namespace, rather than the article actually being moved. John From Idegon is deleting the redirect. I made a couple of edits to improve the draft nonetheless. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 19:25, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
The article is back at Draft:Virginia Smith Jones where you can add the required references before submitting it for review. Dbfirs 19:33, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
I moved it back to draft space. Only two references, one being a book that the subject of the article wrote. Not enough to show notability. John from Idegon (talk) 19:37, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
MakerOfTools: Dbfirs nearly answered your question, but missed one point. An independent reference one that is independent of the subject of the article: it is not written by them or their associates, or published by them or their associates, or based on an interview or press release from them or their associates. It is the result of somebody wholly unconnected with them choosing to write about them, and being published in a reliable place. --ColinFine (talk) 23:11, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Article submission[edit]

I want to submit an article about an American Wildlife Artist. I have an account set up. I have the bio written. But when I try to submit the system tells me that my account is not confirmed. I have to make 10 edits to be confirmed. What does that mean and how do I do that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 369BataCintiOh (talkcontribs) 20:04, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

@369BataCintiOh: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You need to be what is called "autoconfirmed" to directly create new articles; this is to make sure you are not a robot(among other reasons). Your account needs to be at least four days old and have at least 10 edits. Any edits to any page count (including this one). However, I suggest instead of directly creating the article, I would recommend that you use Articles for Creation to submit your draft (which you can do even without the edits). This way, you can get feedback and help before the draft is in the encyclopedia, instead of afterwards when it will be treated more critically. 331dot (talk) 20:22, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Can't upload file[edit]

I can't upload file. It said my account hasn't been confirmed. But I've confirmed it on email. So,what should I do to upload a file? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arieflongbottom91 (talkcontribs) 20:25, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Check out WP:CONFIRMED -- you'll have to wait another day (approximately) until you can upload a file. Eman235/talk 20:33, 25 April 2019 (UTC)relp

Waterloo campaign[edit]

The content on the Waterloo campaign is so factually incorrect that edits are not even possible.

What does one do when confronted with such a situation? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:558:6011:A2:84A4:26CF:D87B:98B4 (talk) 22:06, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Start a discussion on the article's talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 23:18, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Wikimedia Commons Question[edit]

Hi Everyone:

Sorry for the long question but I am trying to reduce the size of a potential thread on my question:

I have a collection of pictures of a musician that four separate photographers took.

Through the musician, I was able to get in contact with the photographers, who are all willing to donate these photos.

Should I upload the photos to Wikimedia Commons and at the same time send them the template of the text they have to email to Wikimedia? If so, do I risk them deleting the files while the permission is in transfer? The reason I ask, is it seems to me the template text the photographer would need to send requires a file link on

Does anyone have the template I would need to have the photographer used to email Wikimedia Commons?

Can I verify that it should be emailed to: and

I did this before but it was so long ago I worry the protocols have changed and am trying to avoid going back and forth - am trying to come as closely as possible to simply having the picture submitted, the permission emailed, and the photograph deposited in Wikimedia Commons permanently for future use. I am trying to avoid going back and forth because something or another is missing.

Thank you in advance.

1987atomheartbrother (talk) 23:04, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi, 1987atomheartbrother, you should ask this at the Commons:Help Desk. Rojomoke (talk) 05:18, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Editor needs help with citations and reliable sources[edit]

I think this is the right venue for this? So I put an article (Elis Paprika) up for AfD for a variety of reasons including that the creator/main editor seemed to be a SPA. Cachizalo was very responsive to my concerns and I did my best to point them at resources for improving the article. Their problems seem more related to inexperience or I would have taken it to the Reliable Sources noticeboard. Sometimes noticeboards are not helpful when there is no actual conflict. @Cachizalo: seems unclear on what reliable sources are for the purpose of citations. I don't really have more time to devote to mentoring them and wondered if anyone might be interested in helping. I think Elis Paprika is notable enough from the Google News results. Does anyone have feedback on this? Cheers, Mark Ironie (talk) 23:37, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Mark Ironie. If you believe that Elis Paprika is notable, then nominating the article for deletion is not the right thing to do. You can tag the article, you can remove BLP violations, you can comment on the article's talk page, or you can communicate directly with the main contributor. We do not delete articles about notable topics written by SPAs. There are countless articles about notable topics written mostly by good faith SPAs. Some go on to be productive editors working on many types of topics. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 05:47, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Citations where one of the parameters is "language=en"[edit]

Is there any reason to leave "language=en" in a citation on the English Wikipedia? There doesn't seem to be an answer in any of the Template pages; they only note that the language isn't displayed in the citation if it's set to English. Since it doesn't have any actual use within the article, is there some sort of usefulness for it within the larger scope of Wikipedia that I'm missing? It seems really redundant. TheTechnician27 (talk) 00:24, 26 April 2019 (UTC)