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Please Correct the Following[edit]

I don't want to make random changes to this page but the following sentences are flat wrong:

"The third-century BC Egyptian priest Manetho grouped the long line of pharaohs from Menes to his own time into 30 dynasties, a system still used today.[20] He chose to begin his official history with the king named "Meni" (or Menes in Greek) who was believed to have united the two kingdoms of Upper and Lower Egypt (around 3100 BC).[21]"

The wrong aspect is the "(around 3100 BC)". If removed the section would be essentially correct. According to Africanus' Manetho Meni united Egypt 5376 years before Alexander, while Eusebius' Manetho claimed it happened 4748 years before Alexander. Either way long before 2800 years before Alexander. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:20, 15 May 2018 (UTC) Thank you for pointing this out. I looked into how to rework this passage of the article and found that, in addition to the problem you pointed out, it slightly misrepresented the sources it cited. I've corrected both problems. A. Parrot (talk) 03:36, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

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Nile River - geographically Lower Egypt and Upper Egypt, in the place that is now occupied by the countries of Egypt and Sudan


Nile River in the place that is now the country Egypt.

The edit summary says "Ancient Egypt did at well extend well to parts of modern Levant and Iraq, but that won't make either Levant or Iraq or Sudan part of ancient Egypt. In this case, these areas were just foreign colonies." This rather incoherent summary doesn't seem to explain why it un-wiki-links the Nile, or omits the mention of the important division into Upper and Lower Egypt, but also the idea that Kush was just a foreign colony makes little sense; Kush conquered Egypt, and Kushite pharaoahs ruled Egypt. The map in the article correctly shows Kushite cities, major cities of Ancient Egypt, which lie in modern-day Sudan. Pinkbeast (talk) 07:52, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

I question whether the Egyptian relationship with Nubia is enough grounds to claim that ancient Egypt extended into land that now belongs to modern Sudan. Keep in mind that the modern border between Egypt and Sudan is a little way north of where the Second Cataract used to be; the First Cataract, which was originally considered the southern frontier of ancient Egypt, is well within modern Egypt's borders. At the height of the Middle Kingdom, Egypt controlled the Nile as far south as Semna with a series of forts; whether the land between the cataracts was thought of as Egypt proper I do not know. The rule of most New Kingdom pharaohs (beginning with Thutmose III and ending with Ramesses IX) extended to the Fourth Cataract or slightly beyond, and that was the period when Egyptian settlement in and cultural influence on Nubia was greatest. That period lasted maybe 350 years, a fairly small proportion of ancient Egypt's 3,000-year history. Kushite rulers adopted a great deal of Egyptian culture and ruled Egypt for about 60 years, but Kushite culture was never the same as that of Egypt. (Its language was completely different, Kushites didn't build temples of the Egyptian type until Taharqa had them adopt the practice, mummification was only adopted by the Kushite and Meroitic elite, and only some Egyptian deities came to be worshipped by the general populace.)
The article text says "concentrated along the lower reaches of the Nile", a wording that doesn't specify a border and implies that ancient Egypt extended beyond the river. This kind of qualification makes sense, given that hard borders didn't exist in the ancient world and this article must discuss a broad sweep of time during which the extent of Egyptian culture and political control changed greatly. With that qualification, I think it's reasonable to leave out explicit mention of Sudan. The core of ancient Egypt was contained within the borders of modern Egypt. A. Parrot (talk) 02:15, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
OK, thank you for the detailed explanation. (Just to be clear, I presume you have no objection to the wikilink to the Nile, or the mention of Upper and Lower Egypt?) Pinkbeast (talk) 14:27, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
The Nile link obviously needs to be there, but Upper and Lower Egypt is linked a little later in the lead section. Yes, it's a separate article from Upper Egypt and Lower Egypt, and no, I don't know why we have the redundancy. We only need to mention the Two Lands once in the lead, but I'm not sure which place works better. A. Parrot (talk) 23:58, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
I've restored the wikilink and will leave the rest be. Thank you again for taking the time to give so clear an explanation. Pinkbeast (talk) 00:01, 20 July 2018 (UTC)