Talk:Antoni Gaudí

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Catalan culture not same as politics[edit]

The statement that he was "always in favour of Catalonian culture but was reluctant to become politically active to campaign for its autonomy" is illogical. It presupposes that support for Catalan culture means support for Catalan political autonomy. That is entirely false, as these are two quite different matters. I am partly of Scottish ancestry. I am "always in favour of Scottish culture", but strongly opposed to Scottish political autonomy.Royalcourtier (talk) 19:17, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

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Catalan not Spanish[edit]

Gaudí would have never described himself as Spanish. He was Catalan. It should be changed. Eccekevin (talk) 21:19, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Catalan is just a Spaniard that lives in the Spanish region of Catalonia. It makes sense to make that difference when you are talking about two Spaniards and you want to specify from which region they're from, but Spain only recognize one nation and citizenship: Spanish. TheRichic Escudo de España (mazonado).svg (Messages here) 11:39, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
Just like Basques, Catalans are an European indigenous ethnic group. Antoni Gaudí would never describe himself as Spanish, since he was a convinced Catalan. When Antoni Gaudí was born, there wasn't a "region of Catalonia" (established with 1978 Spanish Constitution). But he was still a Catalan. And references to Catalan people appear in numerous sources centuries before Spain even existed (History of Catalonia#First references to the name Catalonia). I see you self-identify as a "Spanish Monarchist" in your user page. I suggest that you leave your political ideology aside here, and respect sources and consensus. Labeling Antoni Gaudí as "Spanish" is being dishonest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:48, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
My ideology is irrelevant as well as the history of the Spanish regions. This is an encyclopedia, we use facts and legally, Spain is what it is. TheRichic Escudo de España (mazonado).svg (Messages here) 19:16, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

shouldn't we mention that "gaudy" comes from his name?[edit]

as far as I know, the word "gaudy" originates from this individual's name — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:38, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Not likely; see wikt:gaudy. Nitpicking polish (talk) 14:05, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Antoni Gaudi was Catalan![edit]

It makes me very sad to see this anti-Catalonian discourse, which seems to obsess the people here who don't want to accept the fact that Antoni Gaudi was Catalan, not Spanish. Why should it be contested that man who was born, lived and died in his home country Catalonia, spoke only Catalan language and is the most admired Catalan in history, is Catalan? I can't understand you!

You say you won't accept political propaganda in Wikipedia, but why you allow this false information to exist here? If insisting Gaudi as Spaniard which he was not, is not propaganda then what is? Wikipedia seems to be extremely fraudulent place! Wikipedia can not, will not and is not able to steal the national identity of Catalans! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:999:52:E4F5:C0A7:8812:8523:680A (talk) 20:21, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

You are right. During his lifetime, Antoni Gaudí was very clear about the fact that he was a Catalan. And sources do respect that[1]
Antoni Gaudí i Cornet was a Catalan architect who has become internationally recognised as one of the most prodigious experts in his discipline, as well as one of the top exponents of modernism. His exceptional ground-breaking genius made him the inventor of a unique, personal and incomparable architectural language that defies classification

Even though some users seem to be trolling about this-- (talk) 01:15, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

And other sources say otherwise.[2][3] Saying that he's Catalan is the same thing that saying he's Spaniard because it's the same thing, country and nation. This is always controversial and that's why i eliminated months ago any reference to its nationality. I don't know why you guys start another war. TheRichic Escudo de España (mazonado).svg (Messages here) 19:13, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
So you are telling that Catalonia and Spain, Catalan and Spanish national identities and languages are the same thing? You must then also think that Basque language is completely symmetric with Spanish and no one can bear Basque nationality because Basque country is part of the Spanish state?

Catalonian and Basque people both have strong national identity, which includes their own languages, history, heritage and countries. Totally senseless to argue about facts! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:999:51:7B8F:F42B:C2EC:573:8CE (talk) 09:39, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Yes, they are the same. It's obvious that Spanish, Basque and Catalan are not the same language, but the people that spoke them belong to the same society and country and they culture is the same. Just because we have other languages it doesn't make us different. And the 90% of the history of those regions are the same history of the rest of Spain. And no that doesn't includes their own countries because they've always belonged to other country. TheRichic Escudo de España (mazonado).svg (Messages here) 18:34, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
  1. ^ "Biography of Antoni Gaudí". Casa Batlló.:
  2. ^ "Biografia de Antoni Gaudí". Retrieved 2019-03-09.
  3. ^ "Antoni Gaudí: Biografía y obras principales". Retrieved 2019-03-09.