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Station articles[edit]

With the last article in Lokaltrafikk I think there is enough information to start considering articles for the individual stations. There seem to be four ways of naming stations on Wikipedia, and two of them are used in the article. As far as I can see from the sources, the official Norwegian names are Foo holdeplass (except Byparken and Nesttun that are terminal). We could therefore use

  • Foo Station—grammatically correct, used for Norwegian mainline stations and some transit systems. "Station" could be replaced with "halt" or "stop".
  • Foo (station)—grammatically correct, but I would argue that "station" is still part of the official name. Used in Oslo, Trondheim and many other transits.
  • Foo (Bergen Light Rail station)—grammatically correct, but long and unnecessary. Used primarily for North American transits.
  • Foo light rail station—grammatically incorrect, but seems to be common. Because stations are proper nouns, they are to be capitalized.

Anyone have any ideas or preferences? I don't think I'll start writing these articles right away, so there is no hurry. Also, should the articles on Nonneseteren and Bygarasjen be part of the articles for Bergen Station and Bergen Bus Station? Arsenikk (talk) 19:56, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Not a big issue for me, but I would prefer Foo (station) since it isn't too long. Is there any source that states that "station" or "holdeplass" is a part of the name? Maybe the decisions about the names? Rettetast (talk) 23:05, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
"Foo (station)" could be ambiguous - in the case of Kronstad and Nesttun stations, there used to be (and still is in the first case) railway stations by those names. --Aqwis (talk) 00:45, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
Good point. I have looked at the political process (Bergenhus, Årstad, Fana, Fana2) and it seems to me that station, or "holdeplass", isn't supposed to be a part of the official name. Rettetast (talk) 18:40, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
The first time I read Schmincke's article in the last Lokaltrafikk I thought I saw him use the term Foo holdeplass a few times, but when looking through it again, I cannot find it, so I guess I just imagined it. As for Aqwis comments, the same problem exists in Oslo, where we have Nydalen (station) (metro) and Nydalen Station (railway), Skøyen (station) (tram) and Skøyen Station (railway), and similarly with Tøyen. In all this instance, there is a tophat that informs the reader of the other article. Works fine I think in Oslo, and keeps the article name short. Arsenikk (talk) 23:36, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
By the way, is "Lokaltrafikk" a magazine that's available somewhere on the Internet? --Aqwis (talk) 22:22, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, but it is only in paper. If you join Sporveihistorisk Forening (Trondheim) or Lokalhistorisk Forening (Oslo), they send it to you. What I did, was that I bought (almost) all the issues for a heavy discounted kr. 1,250. (see here). That is why I appear to have "unlimited" access to them for the last twenty years. Arsenikk (talk) 00:09, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Future plans[edit]

Is the report Fremtidig bybanenett i Bergensområdet from December 2009 of any use in the future plans sections? Some of the sources in the section are rather old. Rettetast (talk) 13:48, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Icidents[edit]

Is it necessary to include all minor derailing in an article about a line? In general, they are not included in line article, unless they are fatal, result in a write-off or otherwise are spectacular. Smaller incidents are very difficult to document retrospectively, and if you look at for instance Oslo, it seems to be a fairly regular occurrence. The only supporting evidence is that it was the first accident and if it results in a delay in the opening date, then it is notable. Perhaps it should also go in the history section? Arsenikk (talk) 21:11, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Update needed[edit]

The article is indeed out of date. OK, I should have given some hints on the talk page. In fact, I actually wanted to, but real life somehow interfered (sorry about that). Anyway, the problem will not go away by simply removing the template, even if it's an eyesore.

In "Future plans", the second sentence starts with "Construction is estimated to begin in 2010..." Well, it's 2011 now and we don't know whether it has already begun or not. I don't speak Norwegian but this article seems to indicate that construction started this January and completion is scheduled for 2013. I'm not entirely sure though. This probably means that the third phase has been postponed, too. You will have to check that. If I am correct, the introduction will also have to be changed ("Construction will continue from Nesttun to Rådal in August 2010"). Another sentence that needs to be changed is "From November 1, the line will run every six minutes during the rush hour." --Voyager (talk) 20:15, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for being specific, this allowed the issues to be quickly resolved. Phase 2 is on schedule compared to what was mentioned before, it is more a discussion of what constitutes the definition of "construction started", with January being the date physical work started. Phase 3 has always had a vague date, and is not postponed because of this. Again, I find this inappropriate use of {{out of date}}. The banner does not in any way help the reader to understand that is a single date and two issues of tense which are wrong: these are better dealt with by inline template which target the issue at hand. Tagging otherwise fully-referenced and up-to-date articles may lead the reader to believe that significant portions are out of date. Arsenikk (talk) 21:31, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Right-of-way: original or not?[edit]

Does the Light Rail line use the right-of-way (embankment) of the original Voss railway line, or has the alignment been modified (shifted aside) - and if so, where? -- Riggenbach (talk) 20:45, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

No, the line does not follow the original right-of-way. The Voss Line is still in place between the city center and Minde, and from there the Voss Line ran further west; parts of that right-of-way is now a motorway. Arsenikk (talk) 21:18, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

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