Talk:Black supremacy

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Original research removed from the article[edit]

The following section was added to the article today:

History Black supremacy has historically been viewed as a reaction against white supremacy and sees the oppression of black people as a reason white people need to be removed from power.[1] It was also associated with Marcus Garvey and the Back-to-Africa movement.[2]

References

  1. ^ Bogues, Anthony (2003). Black Heretics, Black Prophets: Radical Political Intellectuals. New York, NY: Routledge. p. 164. Retrieved 5 March 2019.
  2. ^ Moses, Wilson. Black Messiahs and Uncle Toms: Social and Literary Manipulations of. p. 10. Retrieved 5 March 2019.

It's original research and it's complete bollocks. I can't say whether black supremacy has or hasn't been viewed as a reaction to white supremacy, but the first source (accessible here if you're in the U.S.) is the summary of a Rastafarian prophetic book, not a summary of what historians have to say about black supremacy. The second source doesn't say that black supremacy was associated with Garvey and the Black-to-Africa movement. It says that "black messianic mythology" was often associated with black supremacy, and that "in some cases, the members [of the new religious movements] identified with Marcus Garvey and rejected their American identity."

You can't make stuff up out of whole cloth, put a footnote at the end, and add it to an encyclopedia article. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 04:46, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 March 2019[edit]

White supremacy is listed as a racist belief while black supremacy is not in the opening line. Please correct this as they are both forms of racist belief and denoting black supremacy as simply a racial supremacy belief without the same pejorative term used for white supremacy, i.e. racist, gives the distinct impression of an endorsement of black supremacy by Wikipedia. Ideally it would be nice to see Wikipedia acknowledge that no race is superior to another and any belief to the contrary is racism, regardless of what group it comes from. 71.208.36.197 (talk) 09:43, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: They're not equivalent. See past discussions here and on Talk:White supremacy EvergreenFir (talk) 10:41, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
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Dear EvergreenFir, your own links lead to this [[1]] (Point 3) which clearly comes to the conclusion that
having "racist" in one article while not having it in the other is not acceptable.
There are arguments to remove it from both(every) article of this kind as well as arguments to insert it ("racist") in the lead line in every kind of this article.
Black Supremacy is by definition racist. It is not necessary that white and black supremacy are equivalent in other aspects. They are well comparable in the racist aspect.
If you however do not think black supremacy is racist (while white supremacy is) then you should not be able to edit those kind of articles. A PhD on sociology with gender topics triggers some strong ::prejudices in me, that remind of the people saying "There is no racism against whites! There is no sexism against men! (it cannot exist)".
Of course that is just nonsense.
Closing a well reasoned edit request with a simple "it is not equivalent", linking to discussions that come to the conclusion that an incoherence between those kind of articles is bad is just not the ::correct behaviour for an editor. Show some objectivity please. On your discussion on point 27 at the link (1) you also neglected the views of other users with the plain statement "They [the arguments] were ::utterly unconvincing" to enforce your own. Also on the "poll" after point 27 I count more votes for option or choice 1. Now it still stands as "is the racist belief" (which would be choice 2)...;
This is clearly deminishing Wikipedia's respectability to an outstanding observer like me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.130.160.189 (talk) 11:40, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
IP, wikipedia articles are based on WP:RS, not on your, my or 'Fir's' opinion. Despite watching this article for 2-3 years, during which many people have argued simarly to yourself, no one has yet found a reliable source that says Bl Sup is racist. There may be many reasons why this is true, including that 'racist' has a more precise definition for professionals than in common speech - but it is true. Pincrete (talk) 13:09, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
If you find reliable sources, please feel free to reopen this edit request. EvergreenFir (talk) 00:10, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 March 2019[edit]

Change racial supremacist in introduction to simply racist. And add to the same sentence in the end and therefore should be dominant over them. This is to complete the explanatory introduction and also correlate the article with the White supremacy article. Alrighty185 (talk) 00:05, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Also see talk page archives here and on Talk:White supremacy. EvergreenFir (talk) 00:09, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

I think it should be common knowledge that Black supremacy indeed has shown its existence in history. Since you insist on being provided a reliable source, here is a link where I will refer you to the last sentence in the general introduction: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Power

Again I refer to the changes I stated earlier and would appreciate they be made this time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alrighty185 (talkcontribs)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Wikipedia does not count as a reliable source. --MrClog (talk) 19:27, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Dear respected editors[edit]

Mention the melanin theory to the info Mittjohn11 (talk) 05:58, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Mittjohn11, I've added as a 'see slso'. It is too tangentially connected to be in the main text.Pincrete (talk) 09:10, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Black supremacy is a racist ideology[edit]

This page needs more work and more info added. This is important if not apart of wiki. And my edits should be supported not tarnished Mittjohn11 (talk) 05:00, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia is based on reliable sources. Instead of edit-warring something which has been discussed dozens of times already, please present here for our discussion, on this talk page, a reliable source which describes this as racist. Grayfell (talk) 05:18, 9 June 2019 (UTC)