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San Antonio taskforce[edit]

I would like to form a San Antonio taskforce covering Greater San Antonio. WhisperToMe (talk) 09:02, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Common article name, and official name (first reference) in lead with colloquialism (second reference)[edit]

Common article name, and official name (first reference) in lead with colloquialism (second reference). —RJN (talk) 09:37, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

I disagree with changing the name of this article from Greater San Antonio to San Antonio–New Braunfels. While it may be a more technically correct naming style, it's not what anybody refers to it as and probably is not what anybody is going to link to it as, which is going to mean a huge headache. It will mean regularly checking San Antonio–New Braunfels for disambiguation, and will mean a load of nicknames inside the article text, because Greater San Antonio (also Greater Houston and Greater Austin) is much more reader-friendly as the name page than San Antonio–New Braunfels. In addition, the name San Antonio–New Braunfels has only been in effect since December 2009. There was a long discussion on my talk page (when I was under a different username) with two other editors from the Texas wikiprojects regarding the article naming of metropolitan areas in the summer of 2005. For a while in 2005, the Greater Houston article was named Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown Metropolitan Area and there was a compromise (among three editors that were part of the Texas Wikiproject) to rename under a more common and recognizable article name. I have spent a lot of time in the past discussing, resolving, and compromising metro area's name in articles lead section and how metro area's articles' names should be under common names. I had these long discussions under Texas- and California-related articles. I will go and paste the discussions regarding names that I had in the California template if you are interested in reading. —RJN (talk) 09:14, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

The country that you (Mcorazao) and I live in is United States of America (official name), but the article is listed under United States (common name). The article mentioned the official name as the first reference with various colloquialisms thereafter. Why don't you go there and propose a move to United States of America as the article page name. Regarding that article, the agreement is to name the article using the common name for various reasons—one being simplicity. Of course every month, someone comes on the article's talk page and challange a move to United States of America, and this has been going on for years. —RJN (talk) 10:14, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Before you revert my edit again next time under any article, please look carefully at what I did. You had completely reverted my edit on this article when I spent some time re-writing the first paragraph of the lead. I rewrote the first two sentences of this article to match exactly what is written in Greater Houston for formatting consistency. If you don't agree with something, post your comments and/or suggestions on the article talk page. You can also post a message on my talk page directing me to the issue if you would like immediate attention. —RJN (talk) 09:14, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

The first two sentences of the lead that I rewrote to match exactly what is written in the Greater Houston article as follows: "San Antonio–New Braunfels is an eight-county metropolitan area in the United States defined by the Office of Management and Budget (OMB). The metropolitan area is colloquially referred to as "Greater San Antonio..." Notice that the official name is mentioned accordingly in the first sentence to describe the eight-county metropolitan area. In the second sentence, it references the colloquialism used commonly to identify this area. The colloquialism; however, is not a definition of what it really covers—an eight-county defined metro area—and is subjective. The first sentence should describe the subject and references what it covers. I am trying to develop some consistency regarding Texas-related articles. DFW, Houston, Austin, etc. metro area pages have some consistency of mentioning the official name first then go into colloquialism references. These articles all use common page names, and official name (first reference) in lead with colloquialism (second reference). In addition, the lead section (all three paragraphs, especially the first sentence) in the Greater Houston article has been the same for years (and no one has questioned or complained about it), unless you want to disrupt that article to make a point like you did with this one after I made an attempt for the first sentence to match. Please refrain from disrupting other editors' contributions with petty reverts just to make a point. —RJN (talk) 09:25, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

It is fraudulent to claim that I proposed renaming the article. This is a deliberate straw man. You are twisting the discussion to avoid having to defend your position. I only said that the article needs to comply with WP:LEAD. If you wish to rename the article, propose changes to WP policies, or what have you, then make your proposals. But please stop violating WP:Point (not the first time). --Mcorazao (talk) 18:19, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
I edited my post above that removed the reference of claiming you proposing the page move. It appears that you only mentioned a couple of things in the edit summary for possible discussions. I did not deliberately twist anything. This talk page discussion was a result of your recent edit summary. Whatever I read in the edit summary at that time sparked the messages above. If I had my way, then I would prefer United States listed under United States of America, Greater Houston listed under Houston–Sugar Land–Baytown, Greater San Antonio listed under San Antonio–New Braunfels, etc. However, I don't try to force these personal preferences. I have pasted the following excerpts regarding the geographic naming conventions recommendations from WP. (1) The title (page name): When a widely accepted English name, in a modern context, exists for a place, we should use it. This often will be a local name, or one of them; but not always. (2) The lead: The title can be followed in the first line by a list of alternative names in parentheses: {name1, name2, name3, etc.}. Alternatively, all alternative names can be moved to and explained in a special paragraph of the lead. When a widely accepted English name, in a modern context, exists for a place, we should use it. You should also remember that these and any other guidelines that you seem to point people in order to make a point are just guidelines. They are there to assist. It appears that you interprete these guidelines are rules that must be complied, which they are not. They are just guidelines—a guide. —RJN (talk) 20:07, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

CFD for category related to this article[edit]

FYI: There is an ongoing discussion at WP:CFD regarding the names of categories for certain US metropolitan areas, including this one. See Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013 March 4#Metropolitan areas in the United States. --Orlady (talk) 17:16, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

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