Talk:Haplogroup R1a

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South Asian or Indian origin need update[edit]

See How genetics is settling the Aryan migration debate (2017): "The thorniest, most fought-over question in Indian history is slowly but surely getting answered: did Indo-European language speakers, who called themselves Aryans, stream into India sometime around 2,000 BC – 1,500 BC when the Indus Valley civilisation came to an end, bringing with them Sanskrit and a distinctive set of cultural practices? Genetic research based on an avalanche of new DNA evidence is making scientists around the world converge on an unambiguous answer: yes, they did."--78.1.76.158 (talk) 01:22, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

The URL posted there is from Tony Joseph who has been publishing this half baked article on most Indian newspapers; the bias and underlying agenda is too obvious.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.111.209.59 (talkcontribs) 6 may 2019 (UTC)
Sure. Not to mention yours. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:02, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
There is an issue with the the paper he quotes. Narshimhan et al can't be a reliable source as its still in pre print i.e not accepted into any journal or conf .... Nautism (talk) 17:25, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
Check the policies better (and explain how you come up with this interpretation anyway; you're supposed to be a newbie). Pre-print is not the only criterium for reliability; reliability of the authors is another one. David Reich, co-author, is top of the bill. By the way, Tony Joseph refers to Silva et al. (2017), A Genetic Chronology for the Indian Subcontinent Points to Heavily Sex-biased Dispersals, published in BMC Evolutionary Biology, "a peer-reviewed journal." He quotes Richards, one of the co-authors, who says:

Prof. Richards said the prevalence of R1a in India was “very powerful evidence for a substantial Bronze Age migration from central Asia that most likely brought Indo-European speakers to India.”

Silva et al. (2017) is already mentione din the article. It would help if you try to read this Wiki-article, ot the articles you try to reject, instead of fixating on the fringe talking-points; they won't really help you in understanding scholarly developments. See also Talk:Indigenous Aryans/Archive 3#RfC: the "Indigenous Aryans" theory is fringe-theory. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:32, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

European Scientific Journal[edit]

... is not welcome here. Reasons: predatory journal (Beall's list) and its target group are cranks. Tgeorgescu (talk) 23:20, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

@Oranjelo100: read the above. Tgeorgescu (talk) 20:55, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Is it considered generally unreliable on Wikipedia or is it your personal opinion? Oranjelo100 (talk) 21:09, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
Both. It was listed on Beall's list, and therefore fails WP:RS as a predatory journal. Also, it has published the infamous "peer-reviewed scientific article" that 9/11 was an inside job. Its target groups are therefore cranks: only cranks would write and appreciate such article as "science". See especially WP:QUESTIONED. Tgeorgescu (talk) 05:19, 6 March 2018 (UTC) Nope, that was disinformation. But WP:QUESTIONED still applies, not publishing such information does not suddenly makes it reliable. There are requirements for being reliable which it does not fulfill. Tgeorgescu (talk) 20:32, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Semenov and Bulat[edit]

It is claimed by an anonymous editor that a certain statement is original research [1]. It was referenced[2] suggests the origins of R1a are still being debated, and does refer to a "scarcity of findings." Maybe better wording, but should not be outright removed. Travelmite (talk) 00:39, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Lucotte (2015)[edit]

Lucotte (2015), The Major Y-Chromosome Haplotype XI – Haplogroup R1a in Eurasia, Hereditary Genet 2015, 4:2 (open access), diff, looks not very reliable to me. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 13:50, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
Ah, yes, here we are: A.L. Chavda (2017), Propagandizing the Aryan Invasion Debate: A Rebuttal to Tony Joseph, refers to Lucotte. Say no more. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 14:00, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

Why does it not look reliable ? Also , the sharma et al ( which is a nature paper ) mentions an Indian subcontinent origin as well .. Why can't that be mentioned ? Nautism (talk) 17:26, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
Open access, from a non-notable scholar. No mention at eurogenes; that's a sure sign. But a reference by a nationalistic fringe-writer; that's also a sure sign. And yes, Sharma also mentions India - in 2009. That's a loooooooooong time ago. The scholarly consensus is clear: R1a came to India with the Indo-Aryans, somewehere arond 1500 BCE, not 15,000 years ago. Update your knowledge, and read WP:NOTHERE. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:28, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Maciamo Hay and his Eupedia.com is not science source[edit]

See in Talk:Yamnaya culture Maciamo Hay and his Eupedia.com is not science source. See also Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_253#Eupedia.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.119.233.20 (talk) 20:28, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

I think you're right. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:57, 9 July 2019 (UTC)