Talk:Macedonians (ethnic group)

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Semi-protected edit request[edit]

In the culture headline under the filmography section the first Macedonian movie to be nominated for an Oscar [1] also included by the New York Times in the "1,000 Best Films Ever Made" [2] film "Before the Rain" (1994) should be mentioned — Preceding unsigned comment added by BenjaminVolcano (talkcontribs) 13:51, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

 Done It's now mentioned in the Cinema and theater section. --Trialpears (talk) 06:54, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

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Suggestion for name change via poll[edit]

I trully believe a new poll should be opened dedicated to changing the ethnic group known as "Macedonians" to "North Macedonians", the old poll, opened and closed in 2005 is too old and was made in a period the now Republic of North Macedonia was named just Republic of Macedonia, so rightfully the inhabitants were characterized as ethnic "Macedonians". With the signing of the Prespa Agreement though, the country name changed and the rightful name of the inhabitants of North Macedonia should change to "North Macedonians" if of course a new poll approves it. Thanks for your time. Δημήτρηss (talk) 15:42, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your time as well. But it's obvious that you haven't read the Prespa Agreement or the Wikipedia policy that we have on the name of Macedonia and its related parties. So, please take your time and go over this. Cheers! — Tom(T2ME) 12:54, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
Hello Δημήτρηss. We have already discussed this recently here. GStojanov (talk) 13:26, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
This is a useless thread that veers toward WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. Not only has the matter been resolved in via the Prespa agreement, so has the Wiki community for the English language part of the encyclopedia project.Resnjari (talk) 12:42, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

Disambiguation box[edit]

Knowingly running the risk of causing a major uproar, I tried to edit the disambiguation box, adding a reference to the Macedonians (Greeks) which was after a few minutes reverted. There are two major groups self identifying as Macedonians, the ones in Macedonia (Greece) and those in the Republic of North Macedonia, the Macedonians (ethnic group). The Prespa Agreement signed by the two countries, now a part of the international right, grants both parties the right to do so, however the Greeks have the right to historical continuity with the ancient Macedonians and the latter admit their south slavic heritage. In the current disambiguation box about the Macedonians (ethnic group) there is a reference to the ancient Macedonians. As I believe that this is kind of misleading and confusing, I would either suggest that a reference to the Macedonians (Greeks) is added (as it is the other prominent population group in the wider modern geographic region of Macedonia) OR that the reference to the ancient Macedonians is removed and kept only at the full disambiguation page listing all Macedonians and at the Macedonians (Greeks) page so as to denote the cultural relation and continuity between those two peoples. The current placement implies that there is a relation between the Macedonians (ethnic group) and the ancient Macedonians, which holds no ground. Vslslzrds (talk) 22:05, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

The current placement implies that there is a relation between the Macedonians (ethnic group) and the ancient Macedonians, which holds no ground. I do not think so. In any case, the wording of that is based on community consensus. You need a new strong consensus to make changes. Ktrimi991 (talk) 22:25, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
Again, Wikipedia is not bound by a bilateral treaty of such, especially ridiculous clauses which involve one group having ancient heritage, while the other doesn't. Beat of the tapan (talk) 03:56, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

@Ktrimi991 Thanks for the reply. Could you please provide a link to that discussion page or any other page where the guidelines and this specific wording were agreed upon? @ Beat of the tapan The Prespa Agreement is signed under the UN auspices, therefore it's not just a bilateral treaty but part of the international law. All I was suggesting was that we either include Macedonians (Greeks) in the disambiguation box as a) there has until recently been a significant dispute on who gets to call themselves Macedonians which has been resolved, b) numerically they are the other prominent but totally unrelated group in the region with that same name and c) especially since we include ancient Macedonians in the disambiguation section who according to most scientific evidence and Wikipedia were a Greek people whether you find it ridiculous or not OR that we altogether remove ancient Macedonians from the disambiguation box and just keep the for other uses part for those not finding what they are looking for when searching for Macedonians Vslslzrds (talk) 08:02, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

Whether or not the treaty is international, bilateral, multilateral, without consensus we are not bound to it's contents. In regard to the ancient Macedonians, the current consensus on Wikipedia is that they were indeed ancient Hellens, but this does not support your argument since you are relying on implications. As for including Greek Macedonians on the disambiguation, I personally don't find this necessary since it's not a numbers game and Greek Macedonians are already included in the 'See Also' section. Beat of the tapan (talk) 00:45, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Medieval and ancient nations that settled in Macedonia[edit]

I propose adding the additional sentence to the following

Apart from Slavs and late Byzantines, Kuver's Avar Pannonian "Bulgars"[50] – a mix of Roman Christians, Bulgars and Avars – settled the Keramissian plain (Pelagonia) around Bitola in the late 7th century.[a] Later pockets of settlers included Magyars in the 9th century,[55] Armenians in the 10th–12th centuries,[56] Cumans in the 11th–13th centuries,[57] and Saxon miners in the 14th and 15th centuries.[58] Although, the lasting cultural and linguistic impact of these groups on the region varies from being negligible to virtually non-existent.

Something along those lines. A reference would be great too, but this addition is pretty trivial. --Beat of the tapan (talk) 03:32, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

Probably true, but far from trivial. No way a sentence like this can be added without a source. And it would in any case have to be without the WP:PEACOCK word "Although". --T*U (talk) 10:26, 2 September 2019 (UTC)