Talk:Pyotr Chaadayev

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Quote taken from book by David Satter?[edit]

(Subtitle added by Petri Krohn, 18:02, 25 August 2010 (UTC))

What was the reason for removing the quote? It was taken from book by Satter. If you think it was out of context, I might provide more context. Thank you. Biophys (talk) 15:13, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

You should have provided a source for the quote and the translation. However, using David Satter as a source would put your edits right at the center of the dispute in the WP:EEML and WP:ARBRB arbitration cases. (See for example the section titled "The Russian Apartment Bombings" in the David Satter article.) It would therefore be against the sanctions imposed on you in the later case, see Biophys topic banned.
If you wanted to edit this article, you should approach the subject from a different perspective, using different sources. Most likely those sources would also give you a different point-of-view. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 18:23, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
BS. Topic bans have nothing to do with what Biophys (or, for that matter, anybody else) may read. Topic bans concern Wikipedia editing. Using David Satter as a source is perfectly acceptable as long as Biophys' editing stays within the limits of his topic ban. Colchicum (talk) 19:49, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
Yes, I certainly agree. Petri, do you suggest to blacklist all authors who ever wrote anything about the Soviet Union? But in that case I did not even quote anything written by Satter. I only quoted his translation.Biophys (talk) 23:26, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
By using Satter as a source, or even reading him while reading him while editing Wikipedia, you are putting yourself right in the line-of-fire between this event and this death threat. Considering that the hand gun on the last page is pointed right at me, you can appreciate if I do not look too positively at your sources. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 00:57, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
P.S. – Now, in case you failed to understand the big picture, I will help you by connecting the dots:
David Satterstars in movie (with Alexander Litvinenko and Anna Politkovskaya) by Andrei Nekrasovbest friend ofHeidi Hautalasecretary ofMikael Storsjömain propagandist and "minister of information" of Doku Umarovaligned withOsama bin Laden.
-- Petri Krohn (talk) 01:16, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
Once again, the source is Chaadayev who lived two hundred years ago (see below). I hope you realize that he has nothing to do with Osama bin Laden? Biophys (talk) 01:36, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
The thing that most likely unites all of the people listed is that they receive (or received) direct or indirect moral or financial support from the US government for their war against the topic banned entity. That is however irrelevant, what is relevant is that they are all controversial people, whom you should avoid if you want tho abide by your topic ban. Bringing up Osama was unnecessary, I only did it because our English language readers have no idea who the others are. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 02:14, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
BTW, what you said ("DS->AN->HH->MS->Osama") was a BLP violation. Please revert yourself. Biophys (talk) 01:43, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
Biophys, stop responding to provocations. Colchicum (talk) 01:45, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
I have reliable printed sources for everything I have written. -- Petri Krohn (talk)
Petri Krohn, stop this instantly. You know perfectly well from your own experience where you are heading with this. Colchicum (talk) 01:48, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
You are right, I should stop. I have no intention of tricking Biophys into braking his topic ban by dragging him into some discussion on Russia. I am sorry if I did that. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 02:02, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
As for the circus at AE I seriously think that it was a bad idea from the start. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 02:17, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
  • The quote was taken from the 1st Philosophical Letter of Chaadayev [1]:
Но мы, можно сказать, некоторым образом — народ исключительный. Мы принадлежим к числу тех наций, которые как бы не входят в состав человечества, а существуют лишь для того, чтобы дать миру какой-нибудь важный урок.

As about translation, it may be taken from different sources or even translated by a wikipedian. If you want to provide an alternative translation, pleased do. The quote has nothing to do with Soviet Union, quite obviously.Biophys (talk) 18:50, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

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