Talk:Russian Air Force

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Aircraft procurement[edit]

Is necesary a standard criterion for complete the table of aircraft procurement of RuAF The State Arms Program is official and is completed 100% every year, so this is the better source The press news are not objetive and sometime are uncomplete or mistaken The aircraft manofactured in november of december are ususlly sent to the destination airbase in the first months of next year , when usually the press have notice, but the airplanes are part of the SAP of the year in which are manofactured and made the first fligth. In other case the table will have doubled figures and will be mistaken--AMCXXL (talk) 16:34, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

The precise quantitative and qualitative composition of the Russian Air Force[edit]

I have improved the english in the "Equipment" section so it makes sense, it would be nice to know why it keep being reverted to gibberish. MilborneOne (talk) 15:12, 31 August 2018 (UTC)


Organisation Chart/Equipment/Squadrons[edit]

I have removed the "organisation chart" as it has access issues, it is not readable in in normal view and hardly any better when you make it bigger. It appears to be home made, unreferenced and out of date as well. I will remove it again unless somebody can explain what it adds to the article that is already in prose, thanks. MilborneOne (talk) 15:12, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

I have removed a list of squadrons in the equipment section, it belong in the organisation section and has no relevant to equipment, I will remove it again unless somebody explains why we need to list the organisations twice, and once in the wrong place. MilborneOne (talk) 15:12, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Organization chart (scheme) is appoximately organization of Air force after the military reform of 1998 , in concrete after year 2000, probably in 2002
This is not repeated information since there were at least 3 military reforms of the Air Force since 1998 until today I agree that this could be in the HISTORY section since it corresponds to the organization of an important period, just after the union of the two branches of the Air Force in 1998-2000 (PVO or Air Defence Forces ,and Frontal Aviation or "attack aviation") inherited from the Soviet Union. Also in 2002 the Army Aviation (helicopters) was absorbed by RuAF.
The scheme has not problems of wiew, perhaps you could try to upload again with a better format (JPG or other) or simply reduce about 1/3 the size of file and upload again.
I also include a reference with information of the era the scheme is based on.

The currently showed list of units refers to just after the military reform of Air Force in 2009.
It was a complete and radical reform that changed the entire command structure and all the denominations of all the units. Armies, Divisions and Regiments were abolished and new units called "Air Base" (of different ranks) were created instead.

Probably this organization information also should be in the "History" section, is completely outdated after new deep reforms in 2011 (more cuts) and 2015-to present that is restoring the Air Force, but while nobody writes a new one, it must be here.

You can not delete wikipedia information. If somebody writes the information about the 2018 organization (or ORBAT = Order of battle), then the currenty showed information about the organization (2009), also must go to the History section, or at least be copied to an annex to keep the historic informtion in wikipedia

ABout the number of squadrons , is diferent information

ORBAT is QUALITATIVE information (structure of command) and include name , location and the subordination of each unit: combat units,transport units , training untis, logistic units, etc...., while the number of combat squadrons is QUANTITATIVE since each squadron have 12 airplanes of fighters/strike/training or 9 airplanes in transport and other big airplanes --AMCXXL (talk) 07:33, 1 September 2018 (UTC)