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Area?[edit]

Where does that figure in the infobox come from and does it include Tekkeköy?

Jzlcdh (talk) 19:33, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

I cannot find any source so I am taking it out. If anyone has a source for the right area please put it in and quote the source. Jzlcdh (talk) 10:43, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Snowfall[edit]

I wonder whether Menikure may be thinking of Samsun Province when mentioning heavy snowfall. If so I suggest the sentence be moved to the article about Samsun Province as this article is about the city of Samsun. If Menikure is in fact referring to the city I would like to see some evidence of any heavy snowfall within the city limits this century. Therefore I am adding a "citation needed" tag. Jzlcdh (talk) 15:27, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Just a section on this and answering this is trivial itself, but snowfall occurs in Samsun city and the Turkish Black Sea coast (Also in Istanbul and the Sea of Marmara) practically every winter. It varies but is NEVER absent. Snowcover lasts for at least a few days at the northern coasts of Turkey, but snow is normal at these relatively northerly latitudes (the same latitude as Boston). I believe this is due to the silly Western stereotype of Turkey eg. that it "never snows" there, that it is a "tropical country" or that it is a "desert country with date palms" etc.. The only areas in Turkey where snow is rare and very rare are the central and southern Aegean coast and the Mediterranean coast. I will not answer again. User:Menikure —Preceding undated comment added 19:13, 31 January 2011 (UTC).
I changed the emphasis that snowfall is (always) heavy and re-edited that "Snowfalls can be heavy but this usually varies considerably from year to year, and the snowcover and temperatures below the freezing point rarely last more than a few days." This is actually the true extent of the occurence of this wintry phenomenon in northern coastal cities like Samsun (or Istanbul) with a temperate climate, but nevertheless snow does indeed occur virtually every winter. User:Menikure

I don't dispute that it snows. In fact it snowed a couple of days ago. But it has only snowed once this winter and the flakes melted as soon as they hit the ground (even though I was watching from above the average height of the city). So I dispute that it "can be heavy" and I would like to see evidence of any heavy snow within the city this century - for example a local newspaper report. I suspect either global warming or the growth of the city causing an urban heat island is the reason there is not the heavy snow now that the old people can remember from their childhood. Still lets hope more people insulate their houses and it comes back. Jzlcdh (talk) 19:04, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Map?[edit]

Has anyone got a reasonable city map which could be added? Google maps is out of date e.g. it does not show the tramway or shipbuilding yard. It would be good to have one showing the city boundary and contours so that Menikure and I can go to the highest point when it snows next and discuss whether it is heavy! Jzlcdh (talk) 19:10, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

I just looked at Bing Maps and that is even worse than Google Maps. They have labelled the Mert as the Yesilirmak! Jzlcdh (talk) 20:15, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Added map from Open Street Map via MapOSMatic. First time I did this so if you have a better way feel free. Also you can improve map itself on OSM. Jzlcdh (talk) 15:21, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Greek name of city[edit]

Just wanted to explain the reasons why I undid the recent edit which had added the Greek name of the city to the introduction:

1)To avoid an edit war between Greeks and Turks (as a Brit I think I can take a neutral point of view).

2) There are sections of the article entitled "name" and "history" where it could be mentioned if relevent. I believe the introduction is for the most important points. If Athenian would like to write more in the history section about the Miletian settlers it might make very interesting reading. Jzlcdh (talk) 19:34, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, there has never been an edit-war over the Greek name. Thus the "pre-emptive" removal seems excessive. I added the Greek name because 1) The city had a large Greek population (actually a majority until 1923), and 2) because it isn't actually mentioned anywhere. The name section discusses the origin of the name, without actually mentioning the Greek name. For these two reasons, I would like to re-add the name to the lede. If this becomes a problem, then we can discuss alternatives. However, I cannot agree with a pre-emptive removal. Athenean (talk) 19:44, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
Hello Athenean. First thanks for not flaming. Perhaps you are right that the days of Greek/Turk edit wars are over. I still do not think it needs to go in the lead but I have edited the name section to include the Greek name that you wrote. Re your comment on demography did censuses record ethnic origin in those days and if so do you know where the figures are? Also I am a bit confused by the sentence in the article "At that time, Samsun was part of the Greek colony of Amisus." That implies that Amisus was bigger than Samsun but was not Amisus just the former name of Samsun? Jzlcdh (talk) 18:13, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
I do wish to know the Greek name in the form of Greek alphabet (not transliterated). Can anyone add this? I am confused between Amisus and Amisos. Are these two are Latin names or Greek names? BTW, I am Chinese. (Just to avoid misunderstandings.)--Qijiang ok (talk) 16:08, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
Added as best I can. Looking at the coins in the external link the Romans seem to have used "AMICOY" so Amisos and Amisus must be varient transliterations into modern English I guess.

Jzlcdh (talk) 16:26, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Where is the 4000 years Greek history of this city?[edit]

Come on guys, you can do better than that. Show up your Greekness... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.219.85.90 (talk) 17:12, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Are you referring to the events of 760 - 750 BC? If so have you more info and a better reference? Jzlcdh (talk) 20:34, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Sites?[edit]

The "sites" section does not make much sense to me apart from the last paragraph. Perhaps we should remove it and put the last para in "places to see". Or can anyone improve it? Jzlcdh (talk) 20:51, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Change source of climate data?[edit]

Perhaps it should come from http://www.dmi.gov.tr/veridegerlendirme/il-ve-ilceler-istatistik.aspx?m=SAMSUN as there is slightly more info. Jzlcdh (talk) 21:10, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

The source used now for averages does not say over what period the average is taken whereas the source above does. However the source above is for the province not the city. Perhaps the stats should be removed as maybe there is no reliable souce? Jzlcdh (talk) 18:02, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

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Ilkhanate or Empire of Trebizond or both?[edit]

I am confused whether Samsun was part of the Ilkhanate or the Empire of Trebizond or both? Jzlcdh (talk) 20:33, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Ilkhanates. both safavide and aryans from todays armenia to ordu.

I still do not understand what you mean. And, as I already mentioned, "safavide" is not an English word but French. English is "Safavid". Can you please explain more clearly? Jzlcdh (talk) 18:32, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Brh city at upper Anatolia[edit]

Editor in the native section doesnt allow to writing this, whats wrong with samsun then?.(mahire (talk) 15:56, 15 December 2012 (UTC)).

Sorry I do not understand what you mean - can you explain more clearly? Jzlcdh (talk) 18:16, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Sabbas?[edit]

Is George Finlay a reliable source for the info re Sabbas e.g. does he himself cite any primary or other secondary source? Jzlcdh (talk) 19:18, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Reader feedback: the page < http://en.wikiped...[edit]

176.58.180.230 posted this comment on 22 January 2014 (view all feedback).

the page < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsun > does not contain enough references, I believe that it should be noted. The text also clearly ignores a huge part of the history of the city which was for centuries a vibrant greek city.

Any thoughts?

Jzlcdh (talk) 20:26, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Could you possibly put "citation needed" where you think a reference is lacking? If you are not sure how to do that please ask or just mention here where you think there should be more refs.

Re the history section I agree it is not very good. However I suspect the history section on the Turkish article is also unreliable. If you have more reliable info or sources please add to it. If I get time I will ask at the new town museum whether they might be able to check and correct the Turkish article on Samsun. If so I can then translate it. Jzlcdh (talk) 20:26, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

"Not to be confused with Samsung."[edit]

Can we have this nonsense deleted again, please? It's ridiculous. -andy 2.243.99.64 (talk) 21:11, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

As the article is not protected if you want to delete it you should be able to do it yourself. Just click "edit", delete the line which says "Distinguish|Samsung" with curly brackets, and click "save page". Any problems let us know. Jzlcdh (talk) 21:04, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

I agree with OP, and have gone ahead and removed it. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 21:22, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Titular metropolis of the Ecumenical Patriarchate[edit]

I have no objection to this edit of yours. Would you wish to remove the same information also from the other part of Wikipedia from which I drew it? Esoglou (talk) 19:52, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

This article needs a lot of development and I don't think that the referred edit contributed to a development of this article. You may read the article and will easily see the sections that need improvement; in case you wish to contribute to the development of it. That's all. Thanks. --Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 21:19, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
The position of Samsun within the Greek Orthodox Church in the past is an important piece of info, (and within the present day probably just interesting trivia). So I would support such information being in the article in some form. However, on the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople article we have a map showing Samsun to be within the Metropolis of Neocaesaria in c1880. So is this Metropolis of Amisos thing a newish designation, post 1880s, created after Samsun became a boom town at the end of the 19thC, or an older designation predating the Metropolis of Neocaesaria? Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 21:00, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

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