Template talk:Infobox musical artist

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required field - background[edit]

Categorization for a missing required |background= is not always working correctly, see Jaap Reesema where the text is appearing at the top of the article. Frietjes. MB 17:42, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

User:MB, probably fixed at Template:Infobox musical artist/tracking. it looks like Primefac forgot to account for blank or other bad input since [[Category:Infobox musical artist with missing or invalid Background field|]] doesn't work, but [[Category:Infobox musical artist with missing or invalid Background field| ]] does work. also added urlencode which should take care of other bad input like brackets. Frietjes (talk) 17:59, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
Thank you; been a while since I've done cat sorting and I did forget that issue. Primefac (talk) 02:52, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

Infobox singer[edit]

Maybe a stupid question after converting one {{Infobox YouTube personality}} to {{Infobox musical artist}} on Emma Blackery: Some no-nonsense parameters are apparently missing in the infobox here, e.g., education=, or maybe require the slightly convoluted (for folks who never did this) embed method.
For a singer I also miss a vocal range= and a voice type= here. Even Madonna listed as an example on the /doc subpage doesn't have this, would that be some case of embed (singer info) within embed (musical info) within {{Infobox person}}, and if yes, could it be simplified by a new Template:Infobox singer distributing all known info parameter names to various embedded templates by name, and recording everything else in a maintenance category? So far I only managed to add "soprano" on d:Q15994935, but the reference there (a fan video) wouldn't be acceptable here. – (talk) 16:38, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Most supposed vocal ranges are not sourced. Walter Görlitz (talk) 17:28, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
Most vocal ranges change with age as well – it's very obvious that Paul McCartney and Elton John don't have the vocal range now that they did in their younger days. Not just men, either – Madonna's voice is deeper now than it was on her first two or three albums, likewise Kate Bush. Richard3120 (talk) 17:42, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
True. I've got a recently recorded live album where the lead vocalist bails on a high note that he regularly reached when the band was in its prime 25 years ago. Walter Görlitz (talk) 17:52, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
Okay, I anyway can't judge "vocal range" (no absolute pitch), but voice type might be a slower moving target. A "soprano" should stay a soprano for some decades, and even if that's not the case it could be relevant for an infobox used on BLPs of opera singers (also after they died.) Actually that wasn't my question here:
I only wanted to tell you that my experiment with this infobox worked to some degree, but not as good as I expected. – (talk) 18:09, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Meanwhile… I tested the embed-feature, it works as explained for "musical artist" embedded in "person", and is ugly like hell, the nice colour scheme of "musical artist" doesn't survive the procedure. Sadly, the workaround "person" embedded in "musical artist" doesn't work.Face-sad.svg84.46.53.95 (talk) 04:51, 9 April 2019 (UTC)


I noticed that the explanation here for instrument says: "Include singing" However, the wikipedia article on musical instruments explains that a musical instruments excludes the use of the human body. How to make this consistent for Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Diligens (talkcontribs) 21:54, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

FWIW Madonna and Emma Blackery have "vocals" as instrument, and Madonna is a GA and former FA. – (talk) 16:09, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
For what it's worth, "good articles" are "perfect" articles. Reviewers have a limited set of criteria with which they concern themselves. Knowing what does and does constitute an instrument, or what every project has come to consensus on is not a high priority for many of the reviewers. They generally concern themselves with having reliable sources, proper grammar, correct manuals of style for headings, bold, image and template use, etc. Walter Görlitz (talk) 17:10, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
On Emma Blackery (nominated for GA) only guitar+ukulele in this infobox instead of vocals+guitar+ukulele would be rather misleading. It's a kludge inspired by Madonna, also see #Infobox singer. – (talk) 08:14, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Teacher and notable students[edit]

Are there templates one can embed which would show a musician's teachers and notable students? Like Template:Infobox martial artist but proper for this use. Timmyshin (talk) 15:05, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

I'm not sure what would happen if you added that as a module, but for which subjects are you thinking of using this feature? Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:07, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
  • For Chinese opera singers, but this could conceivably be used for a much broader spectrum of subject matter. The master-disciple relationship in anything traditional (e.g. martial arts) is fairly strong in Asian societies, not just in China but also in Japan, Indonesia, etc., always involving solemn ceremonies and a firm degree of piety. This is probably observed worldwide in traditional (or primitive) societies, perhaps to a lesser or more degree. Notice how this template currently has "alma mater" - "teacher" is basically an "alma mater" for pre-modern societies. I also looked at Infobox person but could not find any relevant parameter. Any suggestion would be appreciated. Timmyshin (talk) 15:36, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 May 2019[edit]

Can you add a spouse and children to the templete? (talk) 16:52, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

Not done Please gain consensus before making such requests.
This has been discussed multiple times and bands do not have spouses or children so it makes no sense for them. For people, a different template may be used and this template may be included as a module in it. Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:56, 3 May 2019 (UTC)