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Warning[edit]

You might have been joking here, and yes, the editor may be a troll, but please, never ever do that again. It will result in a block, and probably an indefinite one. You simply DO NOT tell people that normal cat behaviour means they have cancer. Black Kite (talk) 14:24, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

  • I would defer to Black Kite if it wasn't for a particular detail in the page history: Suffusion of Yellow removed your edit, with a pleading edit summary,[1] and you restored it with a pushy one.[2] But as it is, I've blocked you indefinitely. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding below this notice the text {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. Bishonen | talk 15:50, 13 April 2019 (UTC).
This blocked user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy). Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

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Request reason:

I offer no excuses. I saw the posts about the "strange cat fetishes", it reminded me of the abilities of some pets that detect disease, and thinking of the post as trolling, I posted a rather flippant comment in response. Instead, I should have considered, among others, our guideline on 'biting' newcomers, and how other users would receive the post. When my comment was removed, I undid that because I felt that user should've attempted to discuss it with me first, just as I felt they should've tried discussing before going to ANI. Typically we're not allowed to delete posts by other users from talk pages that are not ours but, this is not about anyone else's actions, just my own.

I have a well-established history of welcoming new users and if unblocked would return to that effort when encountering new users. Should I come across anyone I perceive as trolling again, I would advise them of the project's policies, report them if necessary, and move on. My apologies for any trouble caused. - wolf 18:14, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

Decline reason:

Given that your block log has a years long history of not interacting well with other users, I think it would be best for you to take some time off and appeal in six months under the standard offer. TonyBallioni (talk) 22:47, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired.

@TonyBallioni: - Just to reiterate;

  • I saw a post that I believed was made in jest, (and apparently I'm not only one as that account has been indef'd as NOTHERE) and as such I posted a reply also in jest, with no ill-will or disruption intended.
  • For that, hours later, I was given a warning by an admin. A warning I clearly did not violate.
  • So without any further wrong-doing, I am suddenly blocked indefinitely anyway. No immediate threat to protect the project from, instead I'm blocked... 'just because'? Is it punishment? Personal bias? I dunno, but I don't raise a fuss or complain.
  • Instead, I take some time, consider what others have said to me about the issue at hand, then post an unblock request that addresses those concerns, recognizes my actions and the guidelines involved, includes an apology for those actions and a commitment for going forward, that is easily supported by my long and well-established history of welcoming users to this project.
  • Despite all that, the unblock request is rejected, and not because of a problem with the request itself, but because my block log? That log hasn't changed in almost 3 years, so per that logic, you could've just randomly indef'd me at any point during that time, again 'just because'.
  • Now, I haven't made any unfounded accusations of off-wiki collusion or any other kinds of admin abuse, ae it seems many others do, I'm just seeking clarification, based on fact. Thank you - wolf 02:07, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
    • It's pretty well known that the more unblocks someone has, the more difficult it is to reblock them, so I don't really consider the timing of the block log overly material. The issue is that you were trolling someone on their talk page, you have a history of not interacting well with other users going back years, and after someone reverted you, you restored your comment (which was Bish's reason for blocking.) I'm not going to get into a back and forth here. You can appeal it again, but my advice to you is to wait it out six months. TonyBallioni (talk) 02:16, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
      • @TonyBallioni: Thanks for the reply, and no, I'm not looking to drag you into a back and forth, but that said, your comment doesn't address... any of the questions I have (and parts don't even make sense). Administrative actions have been taken here, very serious actions at that, by both Bishonen and yourself. While I get there was an issue, and I played a part in that, I want to better understand the reasons for these actions, as I'm the one affected by them. Thanks again - wolf 07:41, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
      • @TonyBallioni: Just a quick follow-up, in case your lack of response was just an oversight due to the comments of support I received below. I really don't want to keep going on about this, but I did ask some pretty straight-forward questions, seeking equally straight-forward answers. Whether it's the... disproportionate block from Bishonen or the rather vague decline on your behalf, I am just seeking clarity. I am due at least that, no? Thank you again. - wolf 01:45, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
        • I don’t really think you asked any straightforward questions. All of the ones above we’re rhetorical questions without any possible correct answer. I replied to the only question I could possibly answer: you have a long history of not interacting well with others and not getting when your interactions are inappropriate, as evidenced by your block log and this recent TBAN, which makes this indef justified as this wasn’t a one-off, but a historical pattern of not getting how a collaborative project that is open to the public works. I’m not going to comment again here, and I think you should wait out the standard offer, but if you do appeal again, I suggest addressing how you see yourself working with others on a collaborative project. Asking loaded questions and expecting answers isn’t a good way to go about that. TonyBallioni (talk) 02:17, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

addtn'l comments[edit]

───────────────────────── I've interacted with Wolf for several years, at least 5 or 6. Compared to how he was at the beginning, he has grown and improved a whole lot since then, and I really didn't think he could, based on my experience with other users with similar issues. He still has a tendency to edit war when he thinks he's right (but so do I do!), but beyond that, he's a good overall editor. He's clearly stated he was wrong, and doesn't intend to do that again, and I believe he's learned his lesson. I understand the revert was ill-advised, but even a six-month block seems far too harsh in this instance, assuming his appeal is approved after that. This block will always be in his log if there is next time. - BilCat (talk) 08:15, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

I want to support the removal of the block too. Hes made a mistake and hes apologised. Its not his first mistake but considering how much he contributes to the project in that he is always willing to get involved when there is a dispute I would overlook his errors. Certainly this instance should not be the straw which breaks the camels back, a response made in admittedly poor humour to an editor who was not here to create an encyclopedia Lyndaship (talk) 08:41, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
I too wish to add my support for a removal of this unreasonable block. Nothing for three years then one mis-step and WHAM an indef! No warning, no nothing. This is grossly disproportionate to the alleged crime and clearly punitive rather then preventative. I had my run-ins with Wolf back in the day, but in recent years he has been an excellent editor and an asset to the project. I was genuinely shocked at the imposition of and indefinite block as a first response, a block of 24 hours would have been far more appropriate. Referring back to his log from three years ago reeks of holding grudges and this block is hardly a dispassionate response to what transpired here the other day. Rather it seems capricious and arbitrary. This must not be allowed to stand. - Nick Thorne talk 12:32, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
I was dismayed to find this on my talk page this morning. - Nick Thorne talk 22:53, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
@Nick Thorne: Thank you for the support, Nick. I realize this is a somewhat late response, but since the block, I've haven't been on WP much. A little time away isn't a bad thing, and I've been considering whether I should appeal again and if so, how to word it. Thanks again. - wolf 19:38, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
I also support an unblock or short term block. I've interacted with Wolf a few times over the years and find him a reasonable and productive editor who's an asset to WP. An indefinite block is punitive and totally disproportionate here.Mztourist (talk) 12:43, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

───────────────────────── I agree that the edit was in bad taste (and an extraordinarily bad idea) - and judging by your declined unblock request above, it seems that you understand this now too. The unblock request above also leads me to believe that you would not repeat that sort of behavior going forth. There are past blocks w/r/t interaction with others, but the most recent is the better part of half a decade old. Is my read on the current situation correct? SQLQuery me! 17:59, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

@SQL: Yup, you got the gist of it. Basically, I made a comment that, though intended to be a smart-ass reply to an obvious (and now indef'd) troll, was actually kind of dumb as I didn't consider how others might view it. It was deleted by another editor, I didn't agree with that and I reverted the deletion once. You can look at the edit summaries involved in that for yourself.

One admin then gave me a warning, and without me subsequently violating that warning, or any policy, another admin suddenly came along and indef'd me. Instead of the comment itself, I was apparently blocked more for the revert as opposed to the actual comment. The reasons given were "disruptive editing" (for a single revert?), "newbie biting" (this is a not a "newbie", but an obvious not/here troll who is now banned and I have a well-established record of welcoming actual new users) and "frightening people".

I didn't cry foul, or alledge wheel-warring or admin abuse, etc. (and I'm still not). I instead posted an unblock request that addressed my actions that lead to the block, took responsibility and apologized for those actions. My request was denied based "on my block log". As you can see from the subsequent discussion, I was somewhat at a loss to grasp that but, I've also decided to take some time, as suggested, to consider all this. Thanks for the comment. - wolf 16:56, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Since people keep asking me about this: if another admin sees fit to lift this after a second appeal (which hasn't been made yet), I don't want my decline to get in the way. Each appeal should be considered on when it is made. Bishonen is the blocking admin, so she would need to be consulted, but if a new unblock request was made, I'd be neutral. TonyBallioni (talk) 17:14, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
I'd be neutral too. If there's a second appeal, the reviewing admin has a free hand as far as I'm concerned. Bishonen | talk 08:41, 25 June 2019 (UTC).
Well, I suppose I could say that I wish that Tony was more "neutral" when considering the unblock request in the first place, and had left the request be instead of denying it. And I can also say that I wish Bishonen was also feeling more "neutral" when this all first occurred, and perhaps opted for a different response instead of indef, such as a block with a shorter duration, or discussing their concerns with me first, or just pausing and seeing if I would've abided by the warning that had already been given to me by Blackkite. But what's done is done and I realize it was my actions that led to this and the fault rests with me. I had said that I would take some time to consider everything here and I'be been doing just that. I hadn't posted here in about 2 months, so obviously there is no burning need to quickly deal with this on my part. Some time away, as it turns out, isn't such a bad thing. Thanks again for all the comments. - wolf 07:25, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

Time for another unblock request?[edit]

Hi Wolfie, I was opposed to the indef when it was imposed and consider jumping straight to indef, with a hand wave to things that were over three years old at the time, to be an abuse of admin power, however there it is. I now think the block has been on for well enough time given the nature of the action that lead to it. It would be good to have you back contributing to the encyclopaedia again, so please conside making another unblock request. - Nick Thorne talk 11:31, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

  • Thank you for the comment Nick. I've rec'd several emails saying basically the same thing, so I have started to give it some thought again (and a page I created has just been prod'd so it would've been nice to participate in that discussion). I've been away for a awhile now, but I'm not sure what I could say beyond what I said in my first request. I still can't believe it was declined, based solely on "my block log", by an admin who then states he is "neutral" on whether my block is lifted or not(!) Anyway, the point is, I have to consider carefully what I would say in another unblock request, something focused solely on positives, lest I be denied again and banned to infinity... (and beyond!). I'll come up with something soon. Thanks again for the continued support. - wolf 17:27, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
Yeah I want to see you back too Lyndaship (talk) 17:49, 13 November 2019 (UTC)