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Stellar work[edit]

Welcome and thank you for your stellar work on the talk page of the Fritzl case where you summarized and "indexed" Austrian news broadcasts over several weeks. I hope you are going to contribute to editing the Wiki article about the case.--Kathlutz (talk) 05:22, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

YouTube Flash issue[edit]

This has been moved from Talk:YouTube, since it was not strictly article related. Hopefully this answers the question. --♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 20:34, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

YouTube or Adobe changed Flash version requirement?[edit]

Has YouTube or Adobe changed which Flash version is required in the last day? Yesterday youtube was working for me on Firefox and Opera (on Vista), but today youtube is reporting I should download a new Flash version, and the adobe download page lists "Adobe Flash Player version". Javascript code navigator.plugins["Shockwave Flash"].description returns "Shockwave Flash 9.0 r45", so I assume I have an older version.

Also youtube is now redirecting to for some reason (I am not in or near the UK, used to be fine). looks broken to me (no page style and warnings about out of date Flash) I do not remember changing Flash for months. Does anyone know what this could be about? -84user (talk) 06:20, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm, youtube is now working and I have not done anything except wait. I did look at but their download page was broken for me. I guess this is one of those glitches. My Flash version remains at "Shockwave Flash 9.0 r45", so I guess youtube is happy with that! -84user (talk) 06:29, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Shockwave Player is not the same as Adobe Flash Player, and is often used for online games, eg Penguin Rush at [1]. To check which version of Flash Player is installed on a computer, right click on a Flash animation or video, and select "About Adobe Flash Player". The latest version is YouTube pages have a national flag in the top right hand corner showing which version you are connected to, and it can be changed by clicking on it. --♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 07:08, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, that's interesting to know. I see "Shockwave Flash" and not "Player". When I right click a flash video and select "About...", opens in a new tab and reports "Adobe Flash Player ... Version 9,0,45,0 Installed". I could not do this earlier because all YouTube displayed was "Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Adobe's Flash Player. Get the latest Flash player." (exactly as when one disables Javascript, which I hadn't). When I clicked on the "Get" link I got a broken adobe page (now it works, but I'm declining the install for now). It looks like there are many confusingly similar names.
Firefox "about:plugins" lists "NPSWF32.dll ... Shockwave Flash 9.0 r45" with "application/x-shockwave-flash" and description "Adobe Flash movie", which all matches what I see with my javascript code. I looked at but Firefox claims missing plugins and wanted to install "Macromedia Shockwave Player 10.0", which I rejected. Finally as you say, there is a national flag and I must have changed it to UK myself and forgot about it! That explains that mystery. -84user (talk) 08:01, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
The message "Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Adobe's Flash Player" is a known issue and has a page on YouTube's help site: [2]. However, some YouTube users have received this message when other video sharing sites are working, and only YouTube seemed to have the problem: [3]. When there is a problem with getting YouTube videos to play, try another video sharing website, eg Metacafe or Vimeo. If these are working ok, then the problem could be due to technical issues at the YouTube website itself, eg [4]. Have a break for an hour or so, and then try again. Sometimes YouTube videos are slow to load or do not load at all, and this may be because the server computers at YouTube are down or having difficulty keeping up with the demand at certain times of day (see Latency (engineering) and Lag). --♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 17:17, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Please end this thread. This discussion page is meant to talk about improving the article, not a general troubleshooting guide for using YouTube. Thank you. --ZimZalaBim talk 17:21, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

OK. Wikipedia is not a help forum or howto manual, but I have tried to answer the question so that future users do not post the same question. --♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 17:35, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Lady Drummond Hay[edit]

Thanks for the Time magazine link. Grace H-D-H was my great aunt and on page two it talks about her parents meeting her in the US, they were my great grand-parents. MrMarmite (talk) 09:22, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

There is a dutch documentary about her being made (should be made by now). I let them have copied of a lot of her letters that I have. Also, have you read Botting's book on the matter? MrMarmite (talk) 11:20, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

By way of the Village Pump[edit]

I noticed you made a cross-post on Wikipedia talk:Categorization#LargeCategoryTOC as in German wikipedia there. Note I gave you an answer at length much earlier today. Hope that helps. // FrankB 04:28, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Yer welcome. Meant to drop a ping here earlier. Only happenstance I got reminded at the pump. I would have patrolled back in a few daze though. Maybe. I don't do watch lists. Cover too much ground. Cheers. // FrankB 05:08, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
FYI, Just saw this, which looks interesting, but haven't the time to follow the links to make sure I got the point. Of course, the many are on vacations this time of year, but if I'd invested the time you did, I'd make sure to post a link to Proposals on the Policies Vpump. // FrankB 19:34, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


I was looking for someone that could speak German to retranslate LZ 130 Graf Zeppelin, I don't think web translators are good at it. It's good that you retranslated the text.

Thanks, Frankyboy5 (talk) 18:06, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar from Bodnotbod[edit]

Original Barnstar.png The Original Barnstar
for some good work on Compact Cassette and other articles bodnotbod (talk) 16:42, 19 July 2008 (UTC)


...for taking an interest in the article and/or discusion for Gliese 581 c.
--GabrielVelasquez (talk) 23:50, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

"Country" at the 2008 Summer Olympics[edit]

Thought i'd alert you to save you some unnecessary work that the day by day medals tables will be removed in a few days (after the end of the games) following discussion at Wikiproject olympics. Basement12 (T.C) 14:25, 23 August 2008 (UTC)


I'd appreciate it if you left some comments on the bugzilla pages for the changes to "wikibits.js" you tested. You can find them here: [5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13]. Thanks again! SharkD (talk) 03:15, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

LHC bomb[edit]

Barnstar-atom3.png The E=mc² Barnstar
For solving a problem on the article Large Hadron Collider ϢereSpielChequers 07:47, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

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Your Tycho Brahe copy editing invitation[edit]

I shall delete your copy editing invitation in the Tycho Brahe article because apart from being mistaken and injust in my view, the last time somebody copy edited what I wrote they rendered it illogical nonsense. This misplaced general invitation may well promote the same. I do not see any difficulty in parsing the paragraphs of that section such as you claim, nor any other defects such as implied. It was drafted with great care to clarify key logical points. If you do have any specific criticisms and edit suggestions for its improvement I would be grateful if you would first post them on the Talk page or on my User Talk page for discussion first, rather than posting any general invitation on the article itself.--Logicus (talk) 17:43, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know. I have added some of my concerns at Talk:Tycho Brahe#Tycho's Geo-heliocentric Astronomy. -84user (talk) 19:40, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

What did you think of my response so far in Talk:Tycho Brahe to your helpful criticisms, and what I have implemented so far, tho not yet finished ? --Logicus (talk) 18:25, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. Sorry I deleted your parallax footnote, but hope you agree with me after reading my critical discussions of the problem there e.g. Tycho could not attribute parallax to rotating Earth because he denied its rotation. Once you feel you undertstand the issue, I would appreciate help with trying to draft brief simple explanation of it to improve the lousy hasty effort I pasted up. --Logicus (talk) 14:08, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Credit Default Swap[edit]

Hi there, many thanks for editing that picture and putting it back up. Could you edit the image again to change the captions from 'insurance' buyer and seller to 'protection' buyer and seller plz? Article specifically notes that a CDS is not insurance. Thanks!! (talk) 14:20, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

 Done -84user (talk) 15:10, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Thank you (talk) 15:51, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

FA graph[edit]

Hi, I saw the images at Wikipedia_talk:Featured_article_statistics#Graphs (November_2008), and was wondering if you might have time to do the same for the Wikipedia:Featured lists? (I'm not sure how complicated the process is(?). Just a longtime-beginner-ubuntu user myself; Don't know my way around emacs or modern office-software yet...). Thanks. -- Quiddity (talk) 04:04, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

I can do it, but the process needs the data in the form of two columns: subsection name and number in subsection. I made an example for just the Featured Lists Media subsections here Image:FL Media barchart 2008-11-30.svg.
Example numbers of Featured Lists in Media section. Click on image for details of data and instructions on how to recreate in different forms.
Creating the bar chart or pie chart is actually quite simple once the data is available. For example, if you can create a text file in this format:
Episodes Seasons	58
Episodes Series	50
Academy Awards	        12
(or better, to make things easier, using commas instead of sequences of spaces)
then the chart creation is just a matter of copy and paste in Gnumeric and choosing style of chart. For the FA charts I customised the charts to make the font bold and larger, make the axis labels bold and larger, and slanted the text. I did that to make the charts readable when viewed as a thumbnail. All this should also be possible using Microsoft Excel but I do not have that installed.
Example numbers of Featured Lists by major section
Now, (this is going to be a long discussion, so skip it if not relevant) if someone was to do a fresh chart regularly then an automated means of counting the FLs is needed. For the above example I used the "counta" function in Gnumeric to save counting manually. But the Wikipedia:Featured lists page is not laid out to make such automated counting possible, unlike the Wikipedia:Featured articles page (at least not without using Perl or awk-like scripts). If another "view" of the FL page, in the FA-style, could be produced, where there are major sections followed by simple lists of articles, then data-creating can be mostly automated. Even better would be some SQL that would generate the desired data (but I could not see any relationships between the main section headers and the articles listed - no categories for "Art Featured list" for example). I am now doing have now done a chart Image:FL barchart by number 2008-11-30.svg for the top sections Art to "Politics and government", but the manual editing of the sub- and sub-sub-section text data would get tedious to repeat. Anyway have a look at the instructions above, and/or produce your own ordered data lists to feed into Gnumeric for other charts. 84user (talk) 14:39, 30 November 2008 (UTC) (Added major chart)84user (talk) 15:59, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Clickable images on Orders of Magnitude (length) page[edit]

These clickable images are great! Can you make one for the 10^-6 to 10^5 range too? TWCarlson (talk) 16:39, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

ISRO Images[edit]

Try this for information- —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnxxx9 (talk 09:40, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

moved message from Prad2609[edit]

Hi, Any work of ISRO may be reproduced with the words Credit: ISRO. I will check with them again Prad2609 (talk) 14:50, 17 December 2008 (UTC)pradeep

I have replied on your Talk page here. Please also see Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics#ISRO images - freely licensed?. 84user (talk) 15:34, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

I'll try later[edit]

I live in Bangalore and near the ISRO headquarters. I am pretty busy now with my exams so I'll try going there and meeting somebody concerned with this 'ISRO Image' problem in a month or two! What should I ask from them ?????? A written letter or something of that sort ???? There is a public relations officer there, so I'll try contacting him on the behalf of Wikipedia! Just tell me what sort of written statement should I get from him ! I hope I will be allowed. Just reply on my talk page. johnxxx9 (talk) 20:34, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

How is this letter on my talk page (talk) and what sort of reply should I get from him in the form of a letter.johnxxx9 (talk) 21:54, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Copyright concerns; tagging[edit]

Hello, 84user. Thank you for pointing out your copyright concerns with File:ComparisnofOV.jpg. I'm dropping you a line just to let you know that the tag that you placed on the image is specifically used for text that violates copyright. For images that are clear copyright violations, you can follow the procedure for speedy deletion. For images that are suspected to be copyright violations, we have a review board for possibly unfree images. For images used under suspect non-free content criteria, we have non-free content review. Other image copyright concerns are handled in various ways (see Wikipedia:Guide to image deletion for specifics.) I have corrected the tag on this image so that it can be handled in the proper venue (it was listed at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree images/2008 December 14, in case you'd like to weigh in), but I wanted to let you know for future use in case you should encounter another image that raises concerns. Thanks again for pointing out the potential problem. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:47, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Animal Farm[edit]

Thanks for your change. I would usually take this to discuss with the orignal poster but it's just a dynamic IP address. On a different topic I am watching there is a comment kinda grumbling at "registered users" as if that is hard to do.

Not sure about the accents— do we need more? I appreciate that they are not used on caps but a couple of words here seem to cry out for them.

SimonTrew (talk) 13:56, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

I had the Crick biog in an engkish first edition, but sold it a couple of months ago. grrr.... SimonTrew (talk) 22:14, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
Just wanted to say thank-you for your improvements under "Freedom of the Press". Very nice.
Best wishes SimonTrew (talk) 19:49, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for doing those order-of-magnitude pictures![edit]

I had been wanting to do just what you did, but I was too lazy. And thanks for putting nicer textures on the ones I made, too! It's not every day that you find out that someone else has validated your procrastination. Paul Stansifer 03:14, 20 March 2009 (UTC)


Please have a look at User talk:Rsrikanth05#Indian numbering system. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 11:44, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

I decided to keep a discussion on the talk page, as I know a few people who visit my talk apge and thus would rather comment on it rather than the original page where you posted. Also, read my response on the Nano Page. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 11:46, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

And all the articles ou selected might have non Indian numerals, mainly because they were edited by some non Indian entitiy... --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 11:35, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Lists of newspapers in South America[edit]

Nuvola apps important.svgTemplate:Lists of newspapers in South America has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. Neelix (talk) 19:00, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Gliese 581 reference?[edit]

I'm confused about your preferred handling of the footnote in the Gliese 581 article. The current approach creates a non sequitur for all but one of the citations of the associated article. In print, this would be handled by creating a second Op. cit. entry for the Bonflis article and placing the quote there. I know that Op. cit. is discouraged on Wikipedia, but there must be some similar form that replaces it that's more appropriate to use than the current approach. AldaronT/C 12:24, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes my edit is not ideal and not really my preference, more a stop-gap until a better way arrives. I'm trying another way using Template:Harvard citation that might be closer to the Op. cit. appearance. 84user (talk) 13:08, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Cool. I'll be watching and learning. Citation is one of the more confusing and useful features of Wikipedia. AldaronT/C 13:10, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Cite web[edit]

I strongly oppose your changes to cite web, but I figured discussing it with you instead of simply reverting would be better. I use the template "cite web" often, and typing it in without "Template:" in front of it is much faster and more convenient. Also, I don't imagine much confusion between "cite web" and "WebCite" but that's just me. We should get enough opinions on this to adequately determine consensus. ~EdGl 22:21, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm not really attached to my revert, but I was impressed by the arguments in Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2008 April 8#Cite web → Template:Cite web that pointed out it was a cross namespace redirect (this surprises novice users, not myself anymore, but I am trying to imagine what it's like for a mere non-expert user) and by those that get the two mixed up (I use both and always forget which is which). On the other hand the fact it saves time for busy editors probably outweighs my concern for the reader. The discussion only had keep or delete "votes", without considering a middle ground. I thought a disambig was a reasonable compromise.
If it is returned to the cross-namespace redirect, then I would like some hatnote to (a) warn the reader what has happened, and (b) link to other "cite web"/"webcite"/"citation" possibilities. I admit my reasoning is weaker in this case because "cite web" has a different order to "web cite", so I'll remain neutral (inactive in fact) if it is changed. If you want you can move or point to my reply to wherever it is discussed. By the way, I see Cross-namespace_redirect was recently deleted and is now at Wikipedia:Cross-namespace redirects. 84user (talk) 23:09, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
I have reverted your edit to cite web and started a discussion here for our continued debate :) ~EdGl 02:13, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
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Tycho's Nova Decision - May 15, 2009[edit]

Dead links[edit]

As noted in your recent edit of the page of Republic of Singapore Air Force, the two dead links were still valid at the time of adding into the article. And in the event of a dead link being discovered anywhere on wikipedia (not limited to just this article), we should leave it be while we keep on looking for an alternative or better quality one to replace the dead links. Hope this helps you understand my point. --Dave1185 (talk) 10:34, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

I suppose I should have explained better how dead they were, but yes, I've now restored them with an explanation so alternatives can be found. I did first look at youtube user's "alert5" video list but did not find alterntives. Incidently the reason I added the alternative links to Tengah Air Base was also to avoid this linkrot problem in addition to helping users without Flash. See Wikipedia talk:External links#You Tube for some discussion on the general problem. 84user (talk) 13:51, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
  • No harm done, just wanted you to understand my point as I'm constantly updating this particular page as well as other pages related to it. And the reason why I like to add youtube video links is because it is a very popular website or tool to showcase a highlighted topic on wikipedia, although I was a skeptic at first. Gradually, as I search and sift through youtube for the materials I wanted to find, I find that it is only as useful a tool as the person who uploads it, the rest is up to us to determine. Therefore, we shouldn't deny youtube being use on wikipedia when there are other preset restrictions. --Dave1185 (talk) 15:11, 27 May 2009 (UTC)


Good enough; they're back. DS (talk) 18:20, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Leslie Vosshall article you deleted[edit]

Can you please bring it back?

Dr. Vosshall is a renowned scientist in the field of neurobiology & olfaction. She is an HHMI investigator and here is her profile.

These are her other career accomplishments: In 2005, Dr. Vosshall received the New York City Mayor’s Young Investigator Award for Excellence in Science and Technology and the Irma T. Hirschl/Monique Weill-Caulier Trust Research Award. She was named a John Merck Fund Fellow and received the Presidential Early Career Award for Scientists and Engineers in 2002. In 2001, Dr. Vosshall was named a Beckman Foundation Young Investigator and received a McKnight Neuroscience Scholar Award and a National Science Foundation CAREER Award.

If you still do not think she does not deserve her own page, I can probably find many other scientists within my own field who don't deserve their own pages either so you can delete them (and I don't neceessarily disagree with increasing the baseline anonymity required for a scientist to get his own page). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seunghwane (talkcontribs) 15:19, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I have never deleted any article. Leslie Vosshall does not seem to have ever existed. If you find what the article was called, and it shows as deleted, you can request undeletion at Wikipedia:Deletion review. Alternatively why not ask how best to create a biography page at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Science. I hope this helps. 84user (talk) 16:31, 10 June 2009 (UTC)


Thanks for catching my mistaken rollback here :) — Deontalk 07:08, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

No problem. The IP user was in the middle of a sequence of unwanted edits so it was confusing for a while. 84user (talk) 07:14, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

List of films in the public domain in the United States[edit]

I noticed that earlier you were active on an article created called List of films in the public domain in the United States. Since there was such a fuss over the citations, I have began adding footnotes for every film. If you would like to help, the Internet Archive is a great resource for getting citations for these films; it has valid justification for more than half of the films. While not all films on the list page as of right now are in the Archive, just because a film is not in the Archive does not mean it isn't in the public domain. I have started at the top, and the ones I have skipped are not in the Archive, and, if you like, you can begin adding citations starting from the bottom of the list.

Here is the homepage for the Archive:

JEN9841 (talk) 07:02, 2 August 2009 (UTC) and Net Industries LLC[edit]


I recently found a statement on wikipedia, attributed to you, stating your belief or suspicion that is a copyright-infringing site. I work for and Net Industries LLC and can assure you that every piece of content appearing on is appropriately licensed from the copyright holder. The site consists of proprietary content, content licensed from publishers, and public domain content that is processed and organized by staff. Many of the pages contain a brief summary paragraph taken from wikipedia, but increasingly this paragraph is being replaced by proprietary school reviews or licensed content.

I would be pleased to discuss further at your convenience. You may reach me at or (313) 429-9180.

I am not as familiar as I should be with Wikipedia, and I would welcome the opportunity to learn more about it from you.

Best regards,

Bill —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:38, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Hello. Please could you provide a link to exactly where this statement is? I have also asked this on your talk page. Thank you. 84user (talk) 14:57, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Update: Are you referring to the entry I made at Wikipedia:Mirrors and forks/ I have just rechecked that entry and it seems accurate: a random sample of Cambridge Encyclopedia pages shows evident unattributed copies from Wikipedia. The copies are quite evident. You need to properly attribute the wikipedia contributors that are the copyright holders of the summary text copied, in order to abide by the GFD license. Please see Wikipedia:Mirrors and forks for advice on how to do this. 84user (talk) 16:16, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Upsilon Andromedae[edit]

Upsilon Andromedae's three planets appear separated: b is in the Planet Data Table while c and d are in Candidate extrasolar planets, and the Star Data Table lists only b. Shouldn't they be together? 84user (talk) 14:47, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

This area has recently seen a split in the one chart into two charts and the process continues. You should feel free to continue filling in the blanks and correcting errors like the one you pointed out. GabrielVelasquez (talk) 04:20, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Tycho's accuracy?[edit]

Hi. Do you have anything useful to say re the discussion of the accuracy of Tycho's observational astronomy I have started in Talk:Tycho Brahe. I recall you were reading the Rawlins book last time we exchanged discussions. All best. --Logicus (talk) 17:34, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Good idea to put the Wesley ref I deleted in the Further Reading section. It is a useful article that should not be lost, just a pity it is so limited and useless on the main issue of Tycho's overall stellar accuracy. Also Rawlins' fascinating and Herculean article relocated in Further Reading good. On Rawlins and Tycho's accuracy in Cat D, I suggest what we need to know is the max and mean errors of all of the 1004 listed stars for which this is possible, and not just of his reduced list of 761 stars with some 240+ that Rawlins discounts apparently just for the purely hagiographical reason of trying to make Tycho as nearly accurate as possible to his self-professed 1'. Rawlins' thesis ultimately seems to be that Tycho was very accurate once we discount his manifold.inaccuracies, a tautology that equally applies to Hipparchus, Ptolemy, Alfonsine, Prutenic, etc etc. Did u ever compute what Tycho's Cat D mean error was on Rawlins' awesome analyses of its ecliptic latitude and longitude errors? --Logicus (talk) 18:00, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Agatha Christie Talk Archive[edit]

Hey 84user! Thanks for changing {{archives}} to {{archives|search=yes}}. I didn’t know about that parameter when I set up the archive. You’ve taught me something new which I always appreciate! Thanks also for using and edit summary! So few do. Don’t you wish they were compulsory, along with registration? But, I digress. I’m going to go and add that search parameter to other talk archives I’ve created. Thanks again! — SpikeToronto (talk) 19:24, 2 September 2009 (UTC)


Thanks for your help with the article Neanderthal. I had been thinking that that artist's reconstruction incorporated far too much interpretation and guesswork for an encyclopedia, but really don't know how to work with pictures on Wikipedia. Your work has improved the article.

I have a note on the talk page at the end of the section "elephant in the room". It has nothing to do with what the person who created that section wanted to discuss, but what I concider to be the real "elephant in the room" around that article, namely a nobel savage kind of sentimentality that has affected not only the authors of the article, but also the some of the research in the sources. I hope that you will continue to work on the article, hopefully influenced by my skepticism about attempts to redeem the species in the eyes of those embarrassed by their failure to meet modern squeemishness about depicting other species of homonid as inferior to humans. It is less imbalanced in these terms than it used to be, but the article probably still needs some work. Chrisrus (talk) 07:25, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Your feedback on LiquidThreads[edit]

Hi, and thanks for dropping by on my test wiki to leave feedback on LiquidThreads. I thought I'd give some updates on the status of what you reported there. Your problems with the Reply/Quote buttons have been fixed, they were minor bugs in recent changes that I had overlooked. Your problems with 'Live Preview' are known at this time, and bugs are opened against LiquidThreads to have them resolved.

You asked about replying "the wiki way". I assume that this refers to the present practice of editing the talk page and signing afterwards, although this is peculiar to Wikipedia, and not a feature of wikis generally. The intention is that this is replaced by using the "Reply" link, which has numerous advantages over the current method on Wikipedia.

I hope that my responses have been helpful. — Werdna • talk 18:39, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, thank you for the feedback's feedback. Your message on Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 64#Stopping edit conflicts and making templates more easy to edit made me curious so I tried a few tests. I just retested the Quote and Reply buttons and I confirm they now work. Yes, by "the old wiki way" I meant the wikipedia practice. I now understand that LiquidThreads displays the signature in all cases so that the user does not have to add it. -84user (talk) 19:38, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Clara Rockmore‎[edit]

It's OK to say that she was a virtuoso performer when you source it. The problem is the "she's considered". Please visit Wikipedia:Avoid weasel words. Maybe you could just say "she was a virtuso (...) performer". Cheers --Karljoos (talk) 19:13, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

I've simplified it to "was a virtuoso performer of ... ", removing the "is said to be" that I had used to replace the previous "considered". 84user (talk) 19:29, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Re: HAPPI colour[edit]

I just replied to one of your comments here: User_talk:EpochFail#HAPPI_colour --EpochFail (talk|contribs) 21:26, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

...and another --EpochFail (talk|contribs) 15:10, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

...and another --EpochFail (talk|contribs) 19:31, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

I think I've got it this time. See my talk page for an explanation. --EpochFail (talk|contribs) 21:44, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Re: Test results[edit]

I just replied to one of your comments here: User_talk:EpochFail#Test_results --EpochFail (talk|contribs) 03:39, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Despite my earlier pessimism, I think I've fixed the problem. More details are on my talk page.--EpochFail (talk|contribs) 17:34, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Now I'm sure I've fixed it since I have had a chance to test my fix. Hooray! --EpochFail (talk|contribs) 20:52, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Knights Templar[edit]

Hi, I removed the cleanup tag that you added to the Knights Templar article. We can definitely improve the citations, but adding tags all over the article was a bit much, especially considering that it's a Featured-class article. It's usually best to give other editors an opportunity to fix things before overwhelming a major article with maintenance templates. Instead, a simple request on the talkpage probably would have been sufficient. Thanks, --Elonka 20:23, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Trimix (breathing gas)[edit]

Thanks for spotting the nonsensical link at Trimix (breathing gas). I've re-written the paragraphs to try to explain the processes involved and linked to Graham's law which goes into more detail. --RexxS (talk) 23:12, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

R136 clashed edit[edit]

I clashed with you, and couldn't see how to combine our two edits, as mine was clarifying the difference between R136 (super star cluster) and R136a (compact star cluster, a component of R136, basically the centre of it). The fact that so many giant and supergiant stars have been confirmed within R136 indicates there is no longer confusion about whether or not it is a young star cluster, as there was in the past. Better observations with the Hubble have clarified this, I included the ref, the Massey article. I forgot to add a URL as I'm poor with references; it is [14]. I described the changes I made on the R136 talk page. I don't want to get into an edit war, and I only went with my edit because I couldn't see a way to combine it coherently with yours. I don't wish for an edit war and would like further discussion on the talk page. Perhaps you can chase up the star chart for R136 (not R136a! that's on a separate page) which I deleted because the article was supposed to be about R136. I'm relatively new to Wikipedia, though I have had some good feedback wth an earlier page, Carbon burning process, so I hope you'll be patient with me.

I'm used to footnote refs that come up within the References section, so sorry about adding a reference that's not in the same format as those in Citations. Maybe the article needs an 'expert' to clarify the style and detail of the references, not all of which have dates. I had another reference,'Melnick,J. (1985), A&A, 153, 235', about the confirmed WR stars, which I wasn't able to locate at all. Not sure whether one should cite a review which cites articles, or cite the relevant articles directly. Puzl bustr (talk) 15:48, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

I've replied further at Talk:R136#Cleaned up refs to R136 and R136a, basically I support your edits, they've improved the article. -84user (talk) 23:38, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Remove content?[edit]

Is it right to remove content that one browser doesn't render well? Especially if it is not the majority Internet browser. Surely it is better to speak to the Firefox community and improve its rendering. Should we remove all things which some browser does not render well, in some person's (perhaps individual) experience? That way, lies anarchy, IMHO. -- (talk) 10:36, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

What are you referring to? Could you give a link or some clue? If you are asking a general question, please ask at the Wikipedia:Village Pump, maybe the policy section. -84user (talk) 10:46, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Carbon dioxide in Earth's atmosphere[edit]

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Re [15]. Might have been better to add "cn". Clathrate hydrate says that CO2 clathrates exist / are possible, but doesn't seem to say they are to be found much in nature. This [16] is vaguely relevant, as is [17] William M. Connolley (talk) 14:29, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and don't worry about the template above :-) William M. Connolley (talk) 14:29, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

I have now read the links you provided. I have added more sources and summaries to Talk:Carbon dioxide in Earth's atmosphere#methane-carbon dioxide-water clathrates but I still could not find anything more relevant. Maybe a different but sourced claim could be cobbled together? In any case feel free to reinsert the text I moved to Talk with a {{citation needed}}, to increase the chance someone else finds something. -84user (talk) 20:02, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

French aircraft categories for decades of the 19th century[edit]

Hi 84user!

I'm currently doing some cleanup work of the aircraft subcategories and noticed several categories that you added for French aircraft of the 19th century, split by decade.

There are two problems here -- first, there were so few aircraft types produced during the 19th century that splitting that century by decade (as we do for later centuries) seems a little like overkill. However, the bigger problem is that all but one or two of the articles in those categories were not aircraft at all, but people. Once I removed those articles from the categories (they were already well categorised elsewhere in various biographical categories) and checked that the couple of actual aircraft were already in their correct "19th century" category, these "decade" categories have been left empty.

These will come up for speedy deletion once they have sat empty for four days; I just wanted to give you a heads-up to let you know what happened! :)

Cheers --Rlandmann (talk) 04:40, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

I may have also added similar categories for German and United States. I had several reasons: a reader landing at one of the (very useful by the way) navigation categories cannot otherwise see how to get to any 19th century aircraft (but I just made an edit to Template:airntd that might improve this); and a reader cannot easily find old aircraft (admittedly the very few balloons and airships with articles). An example of a problem is Category:German aircraft 1900-1909: how can a non-expert user intuitively get to Category:19th-century aircraft? Somehow we need to provide more help to the reader. I admit categories are not the best nor the full answer when entries get sparse, but they are at least something. Are there other ways to do this? Maybe a shortcut link to the small Category:19th-century aviation? -84user (talk) 13:39, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
I saw your edit to Airntd — thanks! This will help a lot. Thanks too for pointing out the 19th-century hole in the top layer of country categories; I've fixed that and hopefully the accompanying template too. I'm trying to think through ways to further bolster up the navigational templates; I agree that these are really handy and complement the category "plumbing" very well. Cheers --Rlandmann (talk) 14:04, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Hides edit link bug[edit]

Hi 84user. I saw your bug report over at Template talk:Hide in print#Hides edit link bug. I found a solution. See my answer there.

--David Göthberg (talk) 13:43, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Defaulting thumbnail sizes[edit]

Re. your removal of the thumbnail sizes from Robert Hooke... Not strong enough response to revert your edit, but if I were placing images sizes on a page I were editting it would be:

  • To give relative prominence to the images
  • To regulate the total page size in a page with many images - ie. If a page only a handful of images I would leave them to the users prefs., bearing in mind that only experienced users will have them, but in a page with rather more, I would constrain them - simply because that would be what I would want if I were a user on a narrowband connnection.

Hooke has 13 images (I counted). Personally I would prefer them to be governed down in some way, as none are particularly vital to the article. I will put a note in that page talk as well. Trev M 00:18, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

I agree that ideally we should adjust each image depending on its function in the page, and maybe even remove some. Use of "upright=scale_factor" lets us adjust them relative to each other which I think is preferable than a fixed pixel size. For example "upright=0.75" makes thumbnails 75% the width of the default (220 for non-logged in users). I also agree we need to think of narrowband users, see my attempts to measure how long wikipedia pages load for dial up users at Wikipedia talk:Article size and User:84user/Sandbox#Article sizes. I have just re-installed Firebug to repeat some of these measurements to help confirm where the bloat is (and yes, it is the images). First results for kilobytes loaded from Robert Hooke are:
Measurement not logged-in logged in as 84user notes
image kilobytes: 301 276 my custom CSS blocks unneeded logos
Javascript kilobytes: 37 242 due to my gadgets, and once only per wikipedia session
html kilobytes: 38 38
CSS kilobytes: 24 26 once only per wikipedia session
Total kilobytes: 400 584
Seconds taken: 4.4 7.8 did not hit limit of my 2464 kbps ADSL
These sizes compare with those of the average Wikipedia Featured article. Barack Obama is 539 kilobytes (images 343 KB) and takes 8 to 10 seconds, while DNA is 1.9 MB (1.8 of which are images) and takes 9 seconds.
For a user with a 44 kbps dialup connection, it would take around 80 seconds to download 400 kilobytes. I can immediately see a 60 kilobytes reduction by converting the three PNGs to JPGs. There are also monster articles such as Phoenix (spacecraft) which take over 50 seconds for a fast connection (the bottleneck is wikimedia server and not my connection) and weigh in at over 12 megabytes! A dialup user simply has no chance.
-84user (talk) 03:58, 16 March 2010 (UTC)


I'm doing some cleanup in user books, and I noticed you have a couple of test books (see list). I'm dropping by to let you know that if you're done with them, you can get them deleted by placing {{db-u1}} at the top of the page. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 04:41, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Internet Key[edit]

Hi 84, I converted your disambig page into a redirect to Internet Key Exchange because the term "Internet Key" does not appear in the main article linked, USB flash drive. Please provide coverage and sources in the main article, or write a separate article about the product. Thanks, Pgallert (talk) 15:04, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

A draft I'll create when I have more time:
An "Internet Key" is a type of USB flash drive modem of reduced size providing mobile broadband internet, also known as a "USB Laptop Stick" or a "Web and walk stick". A small network provider SIM card can be inserted to allow connection via GPRS, HSDPA, HSPA, HSUPA, UMTS, 3G and WCDMA.
Sources: Vodafone Italy launches the new Internet Key with expandable memory and HSPA technology, 2008; Three Internet Key: hassle free mobile internet by Anthony Caruana 04 July 2008; The Key to the Wi-Fi By Eric Griffith, 2004.
-84user (talk) 21:23, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Re: Van der Waals force[edit]

I'm interested in knowing why you think usage by non-Dutch people, who routinely get the use of tussenvoegsels wrong, are more reputable sources on how to write Dutch names than the actual official Dutch name grammar rules. Why do you think this is a matter of style or choice? There's one correct way to write Dutch names, and that's to capitalize the first tussenvoegsel unless it's preceded by a first name or initials. [18] And hey, maybe I'm wrong about this, but it seems to me that unless you're transliterating from a non-latin script language, you can't just ignore important grammatical rules because a bunch of people who don't know what they're doing think it's the correct thing to do. (talk) 12:07, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

I do not think that usage by one group is any more reputable than that by any other group. If my post at Talk:Van der Waals force implied this in any way it was not my intention. My post was solely concerned with the name of the force as it is spelled most commonly in the English language, not the name of the person. How the names of Dutch people are spelled is probably exactly as you explain, but that rule does not necessarily affect the spelling of derived nouns or adjectives. For example, the following should be Ok in English, if rather clunky: "Since Van der Waals was one of the first to postulate an intermolecular force, such a force is now sometimes called a van der Waals force." Wikipedia tries to be descriptive rather than prescriptive in any case, which is why I detailed the results from Google Scholar searched from 1900 up to 2009. -84user (talk) 21:02, 24 May 2010 (UTC)


Restored history. Can check that I did it all ok? Peter 13:40, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

It looks fine to me. Thanks. -84user (talk) 15:54, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

mwEmbed feedback[edit]

thanks for the mwEmbed player feedback, got a chance to respond on: mdale (talk) 17:56, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

PIGS (economics)[edit]

Since you had commented in the discussion on this page, I'd invite your feedback on my attempt to take the best of both versions. Thanks,  --Joshua Scott (LiberalFascist) 04:57, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Amidst the Raindrops[edit]

The original summary I had up on English Wikipedia was:

I originally uploaded it (according to the logs) on 8 October 2006 to English Wikipedia (with dual licensing) and a couple years later the full track was released on Bonzai. Hope this answers your questions. If you wouldn't mind changing the description on Commons, that'd be great! :-) Wickethewok (talk) 21:50, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Done (here) and thanks for the fast reply. I now suspect the clip was "copied" from the English wikipedia to the Ukrainian wikipedia where the upload bot then transferred it to Commons thereby losing the older English wikipedia details. -84user (talk) 22:17, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

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Zeppelin illustration[edit]

Interesting illustration on the PrIze law page of a Zeppelin taking a Norwegian vessel as a prize in 1917. I wonder whether you could point me to a source for more information on this incident? FrederickFolger (talk) 14:32, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Replied with sources at your talk page. -84user (talk) 19:35, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

barnstar awarded[edit]

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For an unusual and fascinating addition of an image showing a Zeppelin capturing a sailing vessel, a very recondite subject from a source in German, with follow-up offering further documentation--on the Prize (law) page, FrederickFolger (talk) 13:10, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Come and visit my page[edit]

Come and visit my page... give me your opinion please. --NäTäLï3 16:43, 20 June 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Coldplayporta (talkcontribs)

Gibson mess[edit]

Thanks for pointing that out. At first I thought I'd misread it but I see the correction and have made corrections accordingly. Yworo (talk) 06:17, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Articles for deletion nomination of Gangway (disambiguation)[edit]

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Finally you removed your spurious claptrap- and congratulated Nolelover in the process.

I want you to recognize that a great deal of people know a great deal more than you- that's it.

Good luck in the future.

Regards, —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:41, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

I appreciate your response and admission of culpability- what I have an issue with is that I edited, in good faith, and with real knowledge, and was re-buffed by 15 year olds with ZERO knowledge whatsoever- constantly re-edited for facts that you finally admitted were true.

Why the rush to put erroneous information on the site and edit those who know more? I was edited multiple times by those who know nothing- how is this possible- some 15 year old in his bedroom can edit a 20+ year pilot over aviation issues???

Very flawed.

Good luck. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:16, 10 August 2010 (UTC)


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Wikipedia:Pending changes/Vote comment[edit]

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Hi, I just came across Category:Historical scientific instruments, where you added {{category tree all}} a while back, configured to display all parent categories. Could you explain why you thought that was needed? I am really scratching my head about it, given that all of the parent categories are always displayed at the bottom of every Category page. Please respond at my talk page, thanks. Cgingold (talk) 23:50, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply, 84user. I'm afraid I still have no idea why you would think it was ever needed on any Category page, since, as I said, all of the parent categories are always displayed at the bottom of every Category page. I've removed it from the two pages that you referenced; if you know of any others, they should be removed as well. Cheers, Cgingold (talk) 02:35, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Pending changes/Straw poll on interim usage[edit]

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Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2009 May 27#Category:Public domain films[edit]

Hello. You started the above CfD which ended with Category:Public domain films being deleted. No problem with that, it was a vague category. But since you've thought about this, I'd like your view of creating maintenance categories (or something) so we can identify films which are PD-whatever, i.e. PD-1923, PD-Canada, PD-US-no-renewal, or whatever. I suppose this could be done with some sort of talk page templatery, but it would still need categories, a whole tree of them in fact.

You might be asking yourself "but why?". The answer is, I think, that it is useful for us to know if a film is PD so we can potentially mine it for images and video clips to use in other articles. You could, for example, generate a list of PD films where the page linked to some actor or actress, and use those films for free images rather than using non-free ones. Probably other stuff too.

Thoughts? Angus McLellan (Talk) 12:26, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

It would be very useful to know whether a film has entered the public domain, or when it will enter. However, my thoughts on how to to do this are not very well formed. It seems Wikipedia:WikiProject Films would be a better place to manage such maintenance categories (templates, or whatever), maybe as a task force (I posted a back-link there).
List of films in the public domain in the United States tries to collect films PD in the USA, but note the caveat "list of films that certain cited sources believe are in the public domain", and that some sources make mistakes, Internet Archive for example. See also archived discussions on public domain film from Wikipedia:Categories for discussion.
Wikimedia Commons also deals with problems of images from films, for examples see these archived discussions, but I become more and more convinced that tagging images as "PD" will only work with explicit citations on a case by case basis. -84user (talk) 17:20, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

hey well how r you you edited something of mine and you srewed it up! —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:24, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

European air passenger taxes listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

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British Cartoon Library[edit]

I can't make head nor tail of the modification to the reference you recently made in the Lion and the Mouse article. Two numbers appear, one sending readers to the Wiki article on the British Cartoon Library, that could more easily done by putting square brackets round the reference in the notes; the other sending readers to a general page rather than directly to the work being discussed. I have (yet again) given a more direct link. Please don't modify this unless you have something additional to add. Mzilikazi1939 (talk) 20:32, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

My modifications here to The Lion and the Mouse were mainly to use {{cite web}} to help forestall WP:LINKROT. This method of referencing is pretty standard in wikipedia, but there are alternatives, see Wikipedia:Citing sources#Citation styles and consistency. The first number linked to with a title of "View cartoon item: mudyxm4", followed by an inline link to British Cartoon Archive as the publisher. The second number links to the general page and I will admit this is probably not necessary, but again I was motivated by the desire to forestall LINKROT as I have seen pages like "" get renamed or moved and without a context page it can be difficult to recover the specific page. I will leave the page alone for now, but at some time the bare URLs will need to be improved. See Wikipedia:Bare URLs. I hope this explains my edits. -84user (talk) 00:32, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. I don't think I've lost any refs in a couple of years but some time back when I was an asst webmaster my job was to comb sites monthly for a data base we had online, so I'm well aware of how things can disappear. I got quite expert at tracking down migrating sites or finding out what had happened to those that had imploded.

By the way, have you any idea who the politicans are in the cartoon and to which particular crisis it refers? It would be nice to contextualise the cartoon; the interpretations given fables always fascinates me. Mzilikazi1939 (talk) 01:31, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

The webpage does mention Daniel O'Connell after the text "People depicted" and the lion does look like his image top left here. It might refer to his sentence of one year's imprisonment after his proposed "monster meeting" in 1843 was outlawed.([19]) [20] has other caricatures of O'Connell, but none by Doyle and none with lions. But who is the mouse? And the mouse would be John Russell, 1st Earl Russell. -84user (talk) 02:37, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Kate Bush Cloudbursting Video[edit]

Found the right cite and fixed. Must have copied/pasted incorrectly. Not going to touch Sutherland's interesting "stoner" claim due to WP:BLP and relevancy issues but supposedly Peter Gabriel has also made this claim and there is a 1978 interview where Bush did admit to being a casual type user. Edkollin (talk) 21:42, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

RefTools fixed[edit]

RefTools should be totally back to normal now. Kaldari (talk) 02:46, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

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Airship and Kite balloon[edit]

hi, i'm the one who uploaded the airship battle sequence from 1918 (article Airship). the german subtitle talks about a "Fesselballon" - which, i think, is "Observation balloon" in english. why kite? you're probably more knowledgeable about this topic than me, so please feel free to edit my english description of the photo. thx, Maximilian Schönherr (talk) 21:34, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

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Well, Fesselballon translates to "tethered balloon", from the German verb fesseln. I just wrote kite balloon from my memory of reading about World War I balloons and noticing the distinctive wind catcher empennage in the photograph. Captain Ernst A. Lehmann mentions "kite balloon" in his book The Zeppelins here. The source of the term kite, and the different types of observation balloon, is explained quite well here under Kite balloons and Drachens. This story also mentions them. -84user (talk) 09:50, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

what do you think was the purpose of this Fesselballon? if it wasn't military, what was the point in shooting it down? Maximilian Schönherr (talk) 19:38, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Oh, I am pretty sure this was military (it seems unlikely that this was a demonstration but it did cross my mind). The German text states one German pilot photographed another German pilot attacking the "enemy" balloon. My reading of the subject indicates that fighter pilots were often instructed to shoot down enemy observation balloons, and many were shot down. I would guess this particular balloon was tasked with observing enemy movements across the front line, maybe troop movements, maybe spotting and calculating enemy artillery locations, and even informing their own artillery how accurate their shots were. Commanders would obviously want to remove the "eyes" of their enemy, so to speak. -84user (talk) 21:31, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
If you don't mind me butting in - I'm pretty certain that reporting the fall of shot (ie "artillery spotting") was the main role of observation balloons in WWI. I'll look for a reference. I also remember reading that the balloon ground crews would start frantically winching them down as soon as they heard an aircraft approaching from the wrong direction! Alansplodge (talk) 21:29, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Mr. Stanley Spencer[edit]

i stumbled across a photo from 1902 or earlier which depicts "Luftschiffer Stanley Spencer mit Familie" and "Stanley Spencer im Fluge". he obviously was an important figure in the beginnings of the age of airships. why can't i find him here in the english wikipedia? any idea? there's only an article about the painter with the same name. Maximilian Schönherr (talk) 15:17, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

The reason he's not mentioned in the English wikipedia must be because until now no one has bothered to add the information. Google found two old paper sources: Star , Putanga 7898, 31 Hakihea 1903, Page 2 summarising a court case between Spencer and Mellin's Food (which describes him as "the well-known aeronaut") and AN AIRSHIP TRAVELS NEARLY THIRTY MILES from the New York Times 1902 September 20. Maybe you could start Stanley Spencer (aeronaut) as a stub? -84user (talk) 18:59, 30 April 2011 (UTC) I have just added a small bit about him at Airship#Early pioneers with these edits. Thanks for bringing this character to my attention. Is the photograph you found available online? -84user (talk) 21:14, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

very good (adding a word about mr. spencer in the airship article)! i will start a stub probably tomorrow about him in the german wikipedia. thanks for doing a basic research about this. if you find time, why don't you start the article in english and i add some of your info to the german article and feed some of my information into the english article? all i currently have is the really nice photo of spencer's lab - which is PD now, since it is from 1902 or earlier and no photographer name given. i'll add the photo tomorrow to the commons and send you a note. ATB, Maximilian Schönherr (talk) 22:30, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Stanley Spencer (Aeronaut)

good morning! here's the scan i talked about yesterday. best, Maximilian Schönherr (talk) 11:38, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Ok, Stanley Spencer (aeronaut) is just a stub for now. -84user (talk) 08:57, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

here's the central article from the Times about spencer's peak of success, actually the only flight over london where he could, at least partly, follow the planned route. this flight from sept. 19, 1902 earned him large popularity, and i think it was the reason he went abroad so much after that. what i don't know is

  • a) who invited him over to, say, china?
  • b) if it was his own endeavour as someone promoting the spencer bros.' business?
  • c) when he was born exactly?
  • d) in what kind of technical context parachuting was at that time and which role it played in spencer's businesse?
  • e) how he was anchored in the spencer dynasty, i.e.: what he did before his big success?

i've created the inter-wiki-link from your new article to mine in the german wiki. Maximilian Schönherr (talk) 13:18, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

I did some limited Googling but could not find much to answer your questions. I posted a question linking here at the Humanities Reference_desk linking to here. -84user (talk) 11:02, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Lloyd's Patent Table Kettle[edit]

off-topic (and i'll delete it once you have it): i found a really sweet ad from may 1800 in the TIMES about a casual water kettle. maybe you want to feed it into kettle or something like that. Maximilian Schönherr (talk) 10:34, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

I have downloaded that image and then added a note to Talk:Kettle#Lloyd's Patent Table Kettle. Can you tell me more details about where the image comes from, such as the page number of the Times newspaper? The image shows "page 2 of 4 in this edition", which seems rather short for a newspaper. Was it from a classified section? Googling finds a few "Table Kettle"s but nothing from 1800. You can answer on the Kettle Talk page so others might see it, because I now look at wikipedia once a week or so. -84user (talk) 11:02, 12 May 2011 (UTC)


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Minetest-c55[edit] It is the original one that has been removed. I was keeping it on my computer. --Kirov Airship (talk) 10:50, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Three airships from 1909...[edit]

... which you might want to feed into the relevant pages. see User:Maximilian Schönherr/gallery in the wikipedia commons. M@ximili@n 19:14, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

From a wikipedia page the link should be Commons:User:Maximilian Schönherr/gallery. I have added relevant categories to the Commons file pages. -84user (talk) 21:16, 12 May 2011 (UTC)


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Quantitative easing discussion[edit]

There is a discussion going on at Talk:Quantitative easing on a topic you have discussed before. You are invited to participate. Lagrange613 (talk) 05:46, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

PD films[edit]

Hi 84, I was wondering... What ever happened to Category:Films that are public domain in the United States? I was going to add Life With Father. Lionel (talk) 23:36, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

The cat became a list: List of films in the public domain in the United States. -84user (talk) 01:55, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Giger and Cloudbuster[edit]

You were right. Giger himself said that it was a rumor (I just found the quote), brought about by the fact that Alien designers did the design and its obvious likeness to his own work. It does, indeed, look like his stuff so I never doubted it myself. I should have looked further. And thanks for the praise re the rewritten article. I've been slowly improving and expanding the Kate album and song pages, as they were pretty barebones before and there is always something interesting to say about the work.--TEHodson 22:02, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

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This is a copy of a note I left at Borislav dzodzo which I found in Category:Candidates for speedy deletion. Find sources: "Borislav dzodzo" – news · books · scholar · free images Google News archive search finds nothing, but Google Scholar finds this in Serbian (Šest decenija naučno-istraživačkog rada Instituta tehničkih nauka SANU u oblasti brodogradnje i brodarstva na unutrašnjim plovnim putevima, translation Six decades of scientific research Institute of Technical Sciences Academy in the field of shipbuilding and shipping on inland waterways) which mentions him on pages 3, 6, 7 and 8. A search of the Serbian wikipedia for "Borislav Dzodzo", "Borislav Džodžo", "dzodzo" or "Džodžo" does not find anything obvious - is there an article on the person there? The online Who's who search requires a subscription, what does it say? This and this contain mentions of another Borislav Dzodzo active in biocomputing, apparently from Pensylvania, USA. -84user (talk) 21:02, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Apparently, Who's Who does not have E- DB for years before 1989. Because of that I added article from book as a reference. As well as article from "Man of Achievement" Google News din't find anything because Borislav Džodžo Aćim, made his main contributions in years before 1981. Another person that is active in biocomputing is grandson of Borislav Džodžo Aćim, and his name is Broislav Džodžo Milorad.

(all names are formed as following: First name , Last name, Middle name ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rujke (talkcontribs) 20:01, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Multiple Inheritance[edit]

Hi.....i dont find any reason why you say that i have violated copyright laws....the links which you say i copied from, i never visited them. i wrote everything on my own.... RAJATPASARI (talk) 15:20, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

No one is accusing anyone, replied on your Talk page. See also more details at Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2011 November 2. -84user (talk) 22:59, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Ok. If thats a problem you think then I'll be happy to change that. It was just a coincidence or I must say I memorised definition quite well. :P If you dont mind and now believe that I have not done any copyvios, I request you to please remove that comment of yours from my talk page since I dont want others to think in the wrong way about me. RAJATPASARI (talk) 18:27, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi. Thank you for deleting your comment from my page. But still 1 doubt. My article is blocked, I mean it doesnt open and give the same links which you posted. I request you to please unblock it since I need to work on that page. Its part of my project and my deadline is 10th nov. I request you to please help me out as soon as possible. I'll be really grateful. RAJATPASARI (talk) 07:11, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

I have replied on your Talk page. -84user (talk) 12:07, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Multiple inheritance[edit]

Sir. someone has completely deleted all my contents from the multiple inheritance page. There have been no copyvio from my side. The image too was created by me. Then how come you remove that saying "possible" copyvio.?? RAJATPASARI (talk) 13:41, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

See also: User talk:RAJATPASARI#Multiple inheritance --Matthiaspaul (talk) 20:03, 9 November 2011 (UTC)


You do realise that you have added a clarification needed tag to the text that was offered in response to the clarification needed tag on the previous sentence? SpinningSpark 19:38, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Actually, I cannot remember adding that, I might have meant citation needed, I've removed it now in any case. -84user (talk) 16:20, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

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Pat Condell[edit]

I have removed the tag from Pat Condell after some major changes to that section.--A pinhead (talk) 18:02, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know, your edits improved the sourcing there. -84user (talk) 05:18, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Why do you remove the fact that Phobos-Grunt-2 has been off the table on March 20?[edit]

Why do you remove the fact that Phobos-Grunt-2 has been off the table on March 20 on the Fobos-Grunt page? Since then, you lead me to being obsessed of repeating Phobos-Grunt!! That's why BatteryIncluded called me a paranoid person. I am not disruptive. I am telling the truth. Lev Zeleny said the future of project Phobos-Grunt 2 thus far was suspended. (talk) 18:29, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Please bring your concerns to either Talk:Fobos-Grunt or to an appropriate wikipedia noticeboard, and not here. Please give links to the edits you mean. If you mean this one then I reverted Starkiller88's (is that you by the way?) addition about the project website for the reason I gave in the edit summary, repeated here for convenience: "Undid revision 491552446 by Starkiller88 (talk) website status irrelevant, as you agreed at Talk:Fobos-Grunt#Project website status". In that talk page, Starkiller88 wrote "Now I realized it. I am really sorry for this. The status of is not worth mentioning in this article". -84user (talk) 19:25, 17 May 2012 (UTC)


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"Little jolly boat"[edit]

You're obviously not an Asterix the Gaul fan...... Oh Dear! I linked it for fun. I suppose I'd better delete it...... Amandajm (talk) 17:31, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

The Nine Planets[edit]

For a long time, was displayed at top of pages at the site. says Disallow: /gif/ so the image is not archived at, but the source code of their archive shows the url of the image, for example: <img src="" height=45 width=275 alt="The Nine Planets, the Eight Planets">. I'm not sure how to cite this now without looking like original research. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:50, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

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Is this T from JUBA? If it is, oh man I've missed you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by FelixG1995 (talkcontribs) 11:14, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

No. 84user (talk) 11:53, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

File:Spirit tracks 200px thumb.png listed for deletion[edit]

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Season's tidings![edit]

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To you and yours, Have a Merry ______ (fill in the blank) and Happy New Year! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 01:14, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Reorganization of Meteoroid proposed[edit]

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Australian Aboriginal Flag[edit]

There is discussion in Talk:Australian Aboriginal Flag of your added photo. --Wikiain (talk) 21:50, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

ISBN error on your Sources page[edit]

Hi, your sources page appears in the Category:Pages with ISBN errors as the isbn for Chambers Dictionary is not correct. Any chance you could sort it, please, so the category is not cluttered with user pages? Thanks. Bob1960evens (talk) 07:42, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Fixed, and replied with thanks at your talk page. -84user (talk) 21:07, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Turn-based tactics#Genre characteristics[edit]

Hey, I've removed the paragraph you marked as confusing in the article I linked to in the section title (if you even remember doing that!), since it was pretty much a convoluted and pompous restatement of the paragraph below. Cheers, Ansh666 08:30, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Image discussion at article 17 Mile Drive[edit]

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Thank you so much for your contribution of the route map! I noticed it isn't in an SVG form. I hope you don't mind if I use that file to create something else. Since the change may end up looking very different, I wanted to base it on this image so that I can include you in attribution with a direct link unless you feel that uploading directly on top of your upload is acceptable.--Amadscientist (talk) 17:27, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks, I will add this information here Inverse-square_law Bookbuddi (talk) 22:47, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

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Your edits of Bank of Moscow[edit]

Please review other edits of user Lanaray, in particular, in VTB Bank page. - üser:Altenmann >t 17:16, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Ok, I added a quick note to Talk:VTB Bank#Quick review of edits. -84user (talk) 18:12, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

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Hello, have a problem in several articles and verbets of Wikipedia and Wiktionary in Portuguese, English and Spanish![edit]

Was be saying that comic strip, charge and cartoon are synonymous, when, in really, are different things!

Comic strip (tira cômica in Portuguese and tira cómica in Spanish): short duration comics, with the frames (which usually range from one to five, three being the most common) disposed and organized in the form of a strip, such as own name already implies and being or not humorous. The comic strip criticizes the values ​​of society. There are three types of comic strips: daily strips (tiras diárias in Portuguese and tiras diarias in Spanish), usually printed in small quantities because of the pace of publication, in black and white (though some in color) and three some containing one to five), Sunday boards (pranchas dominicais in Portuguese and planchas dominicales in Spanish), usually printed in large quantities, in color (although some in black and white) and with a larger number of tables occupying a entire page and the yonkomas (yonkomas same in Portuguese and Spanish), of Japanese origin, with four vertical frames (although some in the horizontal) and who always deal with serious matters, but in a humorous form. Etymology: from the American English, comic strip, comic ribbon.

Charge (charge even in Portuguese and Spanish): short duration comics, usually occupying a single frame, containing a satire or message instead of a story and being humorous (although some with more than one frame, with stories and not being humorous). The cartoon criticizes people and things of the contemporaneity. Etymology: from the Franco-Belgian French, charger, burden or exaggeration.

Cartoon (cartón in Spanish and cartum in Portuguese): short duration comics, usually occupying a single frame, containing a satire or message instead of a story and being humorous (though some with more than one frame, with stories and not being humorous). The cartoon criticizes the situations of the day to day. Due to the similarities between the first animated short films and the cartoons printed and published at the time, the animated drawing name in English also refers to cartoon, in full, animated cartoon. The same thing happens in Italian and German, where the cartoon is called, respectively, cartone animato and animierte Cartoon. Etymology: from the British English, cartoon and these of the Italian, cartone, cartone, large piece of paper, sketch, study, draft or anteproject.

Here they here the articles and verbets for be revised in the respective idioms:,,,,,,,,ômica,,,,,,ómica, andón!

Including and principally, the certain is that the Wikipedia articles (described soon above!) should receive the following names in each idiom: Tira de banda desenhada, Charge and Cartum (desenho humorístico) - in Portuguese, Comic strip, Charge (humoristic drawing) and Cartoon - in English and Tira de historieta, Charge (dibujo humorístico) and Cartón (dibujo humorístico) - in Spanish!

Remembering and highlighting that the caricature has nothing to do with the other three because isn't a form of comic: is, simply, a humoristic exaggerated drawing of something or someone, be real or not, does not even have texts!

In fact, all my editions in this sense are already being reversed, I do not know why, since I understand a lot of comics, so I am a comic drawer, writer and scripter, so that I am no amateur and layman in the Whole subject, see it!

And well, as you can see, the cartoon isn't a type of comic strip, neither the charge is a type of cartoon, if possible, please, warn to your fellow editors to make the changes, very thanks since now for all attention and interest and a hug!

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Just so you know[edit]

I've undone a merge you did in 2011. DS (talk) 01:36, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

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