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Thank you

Barnstar of Diligence.png The Barnstar of Diligence
For your diligence in overseeing the ongoing debate of Vietnamese and Chinese history. It also appears you do much more than I thought and this is well-deserved for your rounded efforts. Cheers! .:davumaya:. 07:22, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Issue with TinucherianBot in Project Banner Tagging for WP:FOOD

Thank you for expressing your concerns on the recent issue Issue with TinucherianBot in Project Banner Tagging for WP:FOOD . I have made some comments and explainations at Wikipedia_talk:Bots/Requests_for_approval#TinucherianBot and I am leaving this note just for your information -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 08:42, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

I dont understand , david is repeatedly blocking the bot by saying some reason or another...How many times did I iterate the fact that I am not going to mass tag any more now... I fail to understand what he intend too... :( I am really demoralized and down... Please advice me what should I do? -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 12:19, 5 July 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for the nice image, which I have been waiting for several years (since my creation of the article in 2006). I notice that the berries are tail-less? I suppose the tails have been removed in the process. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:32, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

I did notice what looked like shell fragments but I didn't know you broke it intentionally. Actually I never tasted cubeb, but I know it is more bitter than black pepper which is one of the reasons why its culinary use has been discontinued (according to the books). --BorgQueen (talk) 03:52, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Q-Bert capitalization

I think Q-Bert should be spelled with a capital B. This seems to be the way he prefers it. Badagnani 03:32, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

On what do you base your opinion? —Wiki Wikardo 07:25, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


Please do not be biased and try to confuse the readers by putting the Thai map on a Cambodian temple page. Thank you for your understanding. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hardworking (talkcontribs) 23:29, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


You have my backing to report the user to the administrators. The user had been making edits in defiance of agreed discussion and is acting in bad faith after I've reminded him/her about it. DHN (talk) 23:51, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


As I have said, I am only editing texts with biased information. Thanks for the understanding and not issuing unreasonable warnings.Hardworking (talk) 23:55, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


If you want to, you are welcome to discuss with me about all the texts you are changing.Hardworking (talk) 00:05, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Hosaina

An article already exists on this town; have a look at Hosaena. Please add any missing info you may have! -- llywrch (talk) 04:30, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Because there are so many of them? About the only article that lists all of the woredas in a given Region is Gambela Region -- which has only 8. As for a category, Blofeld of SPECTRE went & did all of the work for all of the woredas in Ethiopia back in March; see, for example Category: Cities, towns and villages in the Southern Nations, Nationalities, and People's Region. -- llywrch (talk) 04:42, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Uh, leave the Special woredas -- they don't belong to any Zone. so that is why they are listed. -- llywrch (talk) 04:45, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


Hi, could you check out this edit, and this editor's edits in general? Badagnani (talk) 23:39, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

It's getting extremely problematic? Could you have a look at [1]? Badagnani (talk) 00:21, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you; I think the contributions should be looked at as well. Badagnani (talk) 00:49, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

It's a bit impossible for me to block him and then edit against him while he is incapacitated. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 04:46, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Oh definietly. I've looked at his edits, and wasn't impressed, hence the block. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 05:05, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Ближний и Средний Восток

Hi Badagnani,

In case you missed it, I answered your question in my talk page.

Regards, Anatoli --Atitarev (talk) 22:50, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Native American mascot controversy

You want to do the WP:3RR? I already issued a warning. Justinm1978 (talk) 02:04, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

A discussion

An important discussion on " Should WikiProjects get prior approval of other WikiProjects (Descendant or Related or any ) to tag articles that overlaps their scope ? " is open here . We welcome you to participate and give your valuable opinions. You are receiving this note since I thought you may be interested in this disussion. -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - , member of WikiProject Council. 13:07, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


They are stubs. Articles should be combined when possible for the good of Wikipedia! --—Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)


Hi there. I'm sorry, but no—it seems its structure hasn't been published yet :) I can make one for curculin, though. Fvasconcellos (t·c) 20:26, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Yep. Apparently, it's highly homologous to soybean trypsin inhibitor[2]. Fvasconcellos (t·c) 22:02, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Preah Vihear, Siam Nakhorn

Please do not just revert edits without considering the facts. Siam Nakhorn doesn't exist anymore, nor is it a Thailand location. For Preah Vihear temple, please do not added information without proving it. If you continue to act this way, I will refer you to the administrators.DQconnect (talk) 00:18, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


Hi, can you look at [3]? Thanks, Badagnani (talk) 00:31, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, how did you know it was a sock? Badagnani (talk) 00:39, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

I have checkuser ability which allows me to get people's IP addresses. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:20, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Meal, Combat, Individual

I think the date cake was added postwar. I am trying to focus on the Vietnam War era rations before I add the postwar modifications. I really can't find a lot of info on the postwar rations used between 1972 to 1983. Hotspur23 (talk) 03:27, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

I just found out that it is Date Pudding; an alternate for the "D-2 (Cake)" Dessert Group. I have since updated the article. Perhaps there was a Date Cake after the war, but not during. Hotspur23 (talk) 04:52, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

I nbeed you to unlnk the photo from the C-ration page, because it discusses the rations used from 1938-1958. The MCI page covers the totally different Vietnam-era ration. Thanks. Hotspur23 (talk) 05:55, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Re:July 2008

I didn't remove any important scripts on wikipedia page. I just only remove unnecessary scripts on Prasat Preah Vihear that it is not needed. --Kiensvay (talk) 03:35, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Chocolate Discs

The Chocolate Discs were flat, circular, and thin pieces of chocolate that were individually wrapped in foil and came two to a can. The thicker fudge discs were chocolate-coated fudge that came packaged in cellophane and came one to a can. Hotspur23 (talk) 06:43, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


KISS principle --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 07:49, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Go to bed Buckeye boy. --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 08:01, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Hindi -- Indic script

Hello! This was done by you. Obviously there's something wrong with my browser coz' I see it as Ha-ni-di an not Hi-na-di? What's the probem with my browser (Opera 9.0)? --KnowledgeHegemonyPart2 13:14, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Polish Americans

The only way to overcome this is to prove that the closer did wrong though a deletion review process. The closer did ignore that fact that, for nearly all ethnic Americans, the category name is 'fooian Americans' with only one editor creating a bunch of 'Americans of xxx descent' categories for those who are less than 50% 'fooian'. The same editor will now want to get rid of all 'foonian American' categories and replace them with 'Americans of fooian descent'--as he is doing with the rest of such categories throughout the world. The closer chose to look at all these changes as 'precedent' and ignore the existing pattern for Americans. Hmains (talk) 02:17, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Having fun lying and abusing power?


You are clearly abusing your editorial powers by accusing me of blanking pages (I repeat "blanking PAGES") when I have done no such thing. I have repeatedly removed a single piece of information, not a whole page, and you know this full well. Anybody looking at the history can also see this to be true.

That single piece of information is irrelevant to the article, as has been pointed out by several other editors.

Again: the Thai name for a temple that is not in Thailand, is not administered by the Thais and was not built by the Thais is irrelevant in an article in English.

The words Khao Phra Viharn are relevant only in a Thai-language encyclopaedia or as part of a reference to the international relations between Cambodia and Thailand as they pertain to the temple and Thailand's continued flouting of international law in regards to the 1962 judgement of the International Court of Justice or internal Thai politics of the sort currently being practiced by Sonthi Limthongkul. (talk) 06:04, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Balsamic Vinegar

The story i posted about balsamic vinegar may not be fact, but it is definately a rumour that can be found on the back of a specific brand of vinegar in the USA ( i don't remember which one ) and therefor i feel its relevent...sorry for exagerating it a bit proof, about half way down the page

So why did u delete it again? i proved it to you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:51, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Re:Vietnamese names

I'm not aware of any Vietnamese names for any of the items you mentioned. DHN (talk) 22:03, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Character counter

I normally use this. --BorgQueen (talk) 22:22, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Armenian soups

I am doing housekeeping, clearing stale merger proposals. I notice that you have previously reverted attempts to redirect Armenian soups to Cuisine of Armenia, a merger which otherwise appears uncontroversial apart from your objections, which from the edit summaries appear entirely procedural. Firstly, you argue that there was "no discussion nor consensus" on such a merger. I note, however, that this is not grounds to oppose a merger, per WP:Merge#How to merge pages: "Merging is a normal editing action, something any editor can do, and as such does not need to be proposed and processed. If you think merging something improves the encyclopedia, you can be bold and perform the merge, as described below. Because of this, it makes little sense to object to a merge purely on procedural grounds, e.g. "you cannot do that without discussion" is not a good argument." Secondly, you have also argued that other pages on soups exist, which is certainly true, however to me this merge seems entirely appropriate as an editorial decision to create one good quality article on Armenian food in preference to a series of smaller bad ones. Are there any other grounds upon which you would oppose completing the previously attempted merger? Debate 00:54, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

With respect, as above, consensus is not required to be sought per WP:Merge (quoted above). Nonetheless, consensus in this case was sought via a merger tag that has been on the article now for over a year. To date, no objections have been made to such a merger, making it apparently uncontroversial. Other than procedural grounds, as discussed above, do you have any substantive objections to completing this proposed merger? Debate 01:26, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
What evidence of consensus would you require to resolve your concerns? Debate 01:31, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
You have suggested various steps that you would prefer be undertaken advertising a proposed merger, most of which are significantly more detailed than what is required by WP:Merge, especially for an article about soup. Nonetheless, which talk pages do you suggest that the proposed merger be advertised to, and what level of participation (how many contributors to the discussion) would be required, and how long would you propose the discussion be before a decision is made? If only one editor objects to the proposal after extended discussion, would in your view that mean that 'consensus' had not been achieved and that the merger, therefore, should not take place? Debate 01:54, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

I have initiated a merger discussion at Talk:Cuisine of Armenia#Merger of Armenian soups into this article. I look forward to your input. Debate 03:55, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Chris Wallace (journalist)

I have reverted you addition of the category Category:American Jews to the Chris Wallace (journalist) article, as there are no references provided to bear this out, nor any mention of Wallace's religious affiliation in the article that I can find. We can add this back if his religion can be substantiated. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 04:37, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

I realize you've been here a while, but we still need to see proof of your assertion. Gotta have references, and at least a passing mention in the article itself. I see no refs - you just added the category and tha's all. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 13:15, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Brady's Leap

I saw your comment on the Samuel Brady article. I checked the Kent Parks and Rec site and despite that sign, they do list it as a separate park here. That sign is confusing to say the least, though. My guess is that since the Riveredge trail is there (soon to be part of the Portage Hike and Bike Trail) and Brady's Leap is a current endpoint, the sign's purpose is to identify an entrance to Riveredge park. Well, that's my best guess at least! You live in Kent so you already know that the parks are contiguous anyway. --JonRidinger (talk) 20:39, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

A park different from John Brown Tannery Park on Stow Street? That's the only one I'm familiar with. --JonRidinger (talk) 20:42, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


I have made the correction you suggested. Thank you. Next time, please report such errors at "Main Page error reports", at the top of the Main Page talk page, that is, Talk:Main Page. (Also known as WP:ERRORS.) Art LaPella (talk) 21:37, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Rum Swizzle

I left a note for you on the talk page. - House of Scandal (talk) 06:51, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Pub Taskforce

I've started a Pub Taskforce page: Wikipedia:WikiProject Beer/Pub Taskforce - come over and sign up. And I have made an attempt at creating an Infobox, but it's not very good: {{Infobox Pub}}. Can you see if you can do a better one? I have tested it on Hope and Anchor, Islington. Regards SilkTork *YES! 11:41, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Rum Swizzle

Updated DYK query On 16 July, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Rum Swizzle, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 11:49, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Glass Goblet Award

A Barnstar!
Badagnani is hereby granted this Glass Goblet Award for having concocted surprisingly good contributions to the Rum Swizzle article that helped make Encyclopedic Champaign out of AfD Dregs. Keep up the good work. - House of Scandal (talk) 16:17, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

You're wrong

See Talk:Treaty of Saigon (Vietnam)#Annam. Kinh Duong Vuong (talk) 21:38, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Lob bomb

Updated DYK query On 16 July, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Lob bomb, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 23:47, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Re:Vạn Kiếp

According to, Vạn Kiếp was located at the intersection of the Cầu, Thương, Đuống, Kinh Thày and Thái Bình Rivers, now located in Chi Linh District, Hai Duong Province. DHN (talk) 05:01, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


I don't think it refers to either of those terms. It seems to be mentioned in Laos cuisine, so it might come from Khmer or Laos, but that's just a guess. DHN (talk) 05:21, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Re:Lac Viet

I feel that I don't know enough about the topic to start an article about it myself. Even the title is going to cause controversy. The article doesn't seem to have references either. I think Taylor might have some information about it. DHN (talk) 05:03, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

The has nothing wrong with it, per se, but it seems to focus too much on the Vietnamese aspect. It only briefly mentions that the Luoyue was also the ancestors of the Zhang people [4]. Much of what I know about this group is from a Vietnamese point of view and only briefly by name. The Dong people seem to claim ancestry from the Luoyue [5]. If I remember correctly, the Vietnamese claim to descend from the fusion of the Lac Viet and Au Viet, when An Duong Vuong united them after his defeat of the Hung Vuong. DHN (talk) 16:58, 20 July 2008 (UTC)


Sorry that the template wasn't clear for you. You reintroduced information that I removed as spam with this edit: [6]. The link information with the link as the source fails WP:SPAM, WP:SOAP, and WP:SELFPUB. Further, all the information in that sentence is already available elsewhere in the article, hence my edit summary of "promotional, linkspam, redundant." --Ronz (talk) 23:47, 18 July 2008 (UTC)


Thank you for your message. I'm Vietnamese. So I guess in a way you could say I specialize in Vietnamese culture. Eistube (talk) 23:57, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Banh hoi

Thank you. I'll tackle them whenever I can find time. Eistube (talk) 06:23, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Please, stop

Please stop editing my posts prematurely. It interferes with my editing more than helps, as I keep getting edit conflicts because of your edits. Thank you. Eistube (talk) 08:46, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Stop, please

RE: Herbs and Spices templates.

Please do not blanket undo my edits as they have taken me a good deal of time do. Please do not undo that I have a valid reason for doing this, and yours is tenuous at best. The templates are redundant and can stand to be merged. I am still working on this and you are causing problems. Being bold here. (the bolding of the bold statement is a joke)

--Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 04:35, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:Swiftpowlogo.gif)

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The problem of page protection

I am aware that you will be unhappy that the templates are protected on the other fellow's version. Since the alternative was blocking both of you, I think this is a preferable intermim measure. I have not set a time limit on the protection but I do not intend it to be for more than a couple of days. CIreland (talk) 05:57, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm not unsympathetic to your concern about what you have called "brute force" changes; it's a persistent dilemma for admins working on WP:RFPP and WP:AN3. However, in the long term, it is the opinion most widely supported that should prevail - which is why it is so important to get extra eyes on contested issues. CIreland (talk) 06:06, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Font Size on Cambodian Cuisine Page.

Firstly, thank you for increasing the khmer title size, it was definitely too small. Secondly, I've now taken it back down a few points because I felt it was too big. Thirdly, my apologies for not asking first - I couldn't see your edit entry there when I first checked. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:46, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Recurring problems at Talk:Nanyue

Thank you for your observations about the controversial edits that had been occurring at Talk:Nanyue during the past 4 days. While the IP attacks have stopped, User:HkCaGu still will not let me delete or modify comments that breach WP:SOAP or WP:FORUM. While his anti-censorship stance may be well meaning, I am afraid to say that his attitude over the latest incident will only embolden nationalists who are only here to insert highly objectionable propaganda into Wikipedia pages. Furthermore, his actions could give the false impression to outside observers that he has been involved in some form of collusion as he often downplays the seriousness of the situation, claimed that I am the only one who objects to the IP editor's comments and labeled my sockpuppetry report against the highly dynamic IP editor 'false' and 'threatening'.

You might also wish to check out Talk:Cantonese people and Talk:Guangdong (the latter is still laced with highly degrading language so be careful) as they have also been targetted by the same IP vandal/spammer. To make things worse, User:HkCaGu also seems to be watching the latter talk page for any signs of 'censorship'. Fortunately, the articles themselves have not been vandalised during the incident. David873 (talk) 01:22, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Just to let you know

Talk:Hoa also appears to have been abused by the same IP editor (the give away is the similarities of the comments and themes). If you find any other talk page that contains similar comments in the meantime, please tell me so that I can add any other relevant details to the suspected sockpuppetry report that has seen no fewer than half a dozen revisions. Thank you. David873 (talk) 04:50, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

soup stock + radish

Starting an article on east asian radishes could be done though I'm not sure how to start it. The varieties are varied and numerous, as well, trying to collect the information may be quite a task in itself. Maybe this is something to sleep on until wiki is more "mature" for it?

As for the Shandong soup stock that was the translation error of my source. "shang tang" was sounded out in japanese, and then translated and written as to "shantong broth" which I interpreted as "shandong broth". So, no shandong broth, only shang tang Sjschen (talk) 00:28, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

David871 talk page

if you were talking about me i demand an apology now....... that was very rude, i didnt even attack anyone in my comments, and i just dissproved your friends accusation of me being a sockpuppet —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:41, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Lets set the record straight. Assuming that the IP editor meant 'David873' (not David871), I have already responded on his/her IP talk page about why he or she was accused of sockpuppetry in the first place.
It was very hypocritical for that IP editor to claim that he or she never attacked anyone at any Wikipedia pages. The sockpuppetry report features no fewer than three diffs that show that he or she had made several racist comments about a substantial number of ethnic groups such as Turkic peoples in the last seven hours. He or she has also engaged in spamming and vandalising Wikipedia pages. David873 (talk) 03:57, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Preah Vihear Temple

Hi, many anons keep removing the nomenclature at Preah Vihear Temple (which gives the name in Thai as well as Khmer), apparently for pro-Cambodian nationalistic reasons. Is there a way to "soft protect" the article while the issue is in the news, from editing by such anons? I hate to do it, but it's been very hard to keep up with restoring the Thai when it keeps getting blanked again and again. Thanks, Badagnani (talk) 17:42, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but the article is currently linked in the main page section T:ITN so we don't lock it. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:50, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Project talk page tagging for WP:VIET

Blnguyen had requested me for the service of TinucherianBot to tag articles in the categories in Wikipedia:WikiProject Vietnam/Categories for the WikiProject Vietnam. I request the members to kindly have a look , carefully verify ALL the categories and remove all the possibly wrong categories. Please Dont misunderstand by being cautious here , as we have faced many issues with such huge scale bot tagging earlier. Once I get the final go ahead, I will start the bot with the final list. Thank you for choosing TinucherianBot for the project,. It is a pleasure working for this project...I have also left a note at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Vietnam#Project_talk_page_tagging and request your comments there. You are receiving this message as you are a member of the project. Thanks -- Tinu Cherian - 06:04, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi friend, I am not a subject expert in Vietnam... Can you look into the categories and remove what you think is inappropriate -- Tinu Cherian - 09:16, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Category:Date of birth missing (living people)

Please read the instructions in Category:Date of birth missing (living people). This category should only be added in the Talk Page and not on the main page. My bot replaces it ion the main article with Category:Year of birth missing (living people) unless a birth year exists. Thank you, Magioladitis (talk) 20:28, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Read carefully: This category is intended for the discussion pages of articles about living individuals whose year of birth is indicated, but the month and day are missing because of lack of research. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:32, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Also, please see WP:BLP#Privacy of personal information concerning the need to add day and month of birth to biographies. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 20:34, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply. Just because someone is a public figure doesn't mean that their birthdate has ever been published, or needs to be published by Wikipedia. Year of birth is sufficient in most cases. I agree that we should find better information for those years marked "circa". Also, as noted above, the category is only for talk pages, not articles. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 20:58, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Regardless of whether he's a public figure or not, the category belongs on the talk page. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 21:06, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


Stop x nuvola with clock.svg
You have been blocked from editing for a short time in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for violating the three-revert rule at Tan Kai. Please be more careful to discuss controversial changes or seek dispute resolution rather than engaging in an edit war. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text {{unblock|your reason here}} below.

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This blocked user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy). Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

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Request reason:

My comments at the 3RR page seem not to have been addressed, and the conduct of the editor making mistaken category removals, who reverted the same number of times, was not mentioned. I did, as I mentioned, leave messages for him/her each time, asking him/her to stop removing the category. I restored the blanked category three, not four times, after the blanking editor's aggressive and repeated removals (and failure to address comments left on his/her discussion page) made it necessary to do so, as a last resort.

Decline reason:

Per TigerShark below, your edits and edit summaries show your intentions quite clearly.— Prodego talk 23:07, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired.

You have been blocked several times for edit warring so it would seem fairly clear that you know the WP:3RR policy fairly well. As such you will know that there is no right to 3 reverts and that you can still be blocked for edit warring without making more than 3 reverts. You also reverted more than one user's edits and the user who reported you only reverted twice. Finally, this is not an constructive edit summary which can be considered an attempt to reach consensus. This is a content dispute and a very trivial one at that, so your edit warring was in no way warranted. TigerShark (talk) 22:19, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

{{unblock|Why was I not unblocked after 72 hours? It is 74 hours now. Thank you.}}

Stephen Payne

I found his entry in the Texas Birth Index - I'm finding some interesting stuff about his dad's law business as well (here). Hopefully this is a start to finding more about his early days. Otebig (talk) 22:12, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

I usually remove red links until the accompanying article is created, but that's just me, please put back any you want. I've been busy lately (moving), the only good chuck of time I had was used to clean up the refs, but I'll add more info when I get the chance. Otebig (talk) 00:24, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Khmer script

Please stop vandalising articles which incorporate the Khmer script by (over)resizing the text larger than the browser's default settings (i.e. the same as the roman alphabet that I am using to write right now). If you are having problems displaying the script properly, you should seek help at either Talk:Khmer script#Size of letters or Help:Multilingual support (Indic). Thank you. - Io Katai (talk) 01:35, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Prasat Preah Vihear

The word "เขา" (Khao - mountain) isn't incorrect. Actually, we call it "Prasat Khao Phra Viharn" since I was not born. Currently, it is being cut to prevent mistake between Khao Phra Viharn National Park in Thailand. But I can tell you that newspaper, books, or even officials uses "Khao", as well. This is not wrong. The Thai medias begin cutting "เขา" off. So as we. --Passawuth (talk) 10:41, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Second of all, I have full rights to insert the Thai name in the article. I'm native Thai and please give your reasons for this. --Passawuth (talk) 10:43, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Stephen Payne DYK

Updated DYK query On 24 July, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Stephen Payne (lobbyist), which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Thanks for nominating, PeterSymonds (talk) 23:17, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


Probably taro, since its leaves are well-known for their water-repelling properties. DHN (talk) 03:40, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Maybe it's a regional thing. I've never heard it called anything but môn until recently, when somebody asked me to get them some "khoai môn" and I had no idea what they meant. DHN (talk) 03:45, 26 July 2008 (UTC)


As with many foreign loanwords, there are many spellings for the same term. DHN (talk) 05:10, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Re:Cha lua

I have no idea, but "lua" means silk. DHN (talk) 05:10, 27 July 2008 (UTC)


The "usual" translation for "lemon" in Vietnamese is "chanh" and for "grapefruit" is "bưởi" but neither is correct. The fruit known as "chanh" in Vietnam has green skin, so it's actually the lime. Likewise, the fruit known as "bưởi" is actually the pomelo. Even fluent speakers of English and Vietnamese will trip when translating these terms. A recent scandal erupted in Vietnam when the press printed stories of studies linking grapefruits to cancer. This resulted in pomelo farmers losing much of their sales, even when the fruits used in the studies were not pomelos. DHN (talk) 17:51, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

I think that lemons are easier to find in the West and are used as an alternative to limes. DHN (talk) 17:55, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm never sure of anything because I base it on my personal experience. I've never seen lemons before I lived in the US. DHN (talk) 18:32, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

H&S Templates

  • Do not move the templates I just created
  • Do not edit the heading and others as you have created unneeded redirects.
  • Stop removing the speedy delete tag as the H&S mixture template is
  1. empty
  2. has nothing pointing to it
  3. meets the criteria for speed delete.

--Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 23:12, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Relax frnds, I thought both of you are very good wiki friends... Am I of any help here ? -- Tinu Cherian - 11:30, 31 July 2008 (UTC)


Your behavior is being discussed on ANI. Toddst1 (talk) 23:57, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Noodle

I see. But actually the size of the noodle often doesn't matter. I've had pho with wide noodles and pho with thin noodles, and sometimes both in the same bowl, and the stir fry stuff with both. What makes one type of noodle different from another is: 1. the type of flour, 2. the shape (such as banh uot is a sheet, and pho is a string, but same type of flour), 3. the way it's cooked and/or eaten. The width of the noodle mainly depends on the producer, and since they can be made by hand, they can have noticeable variance, as long as it doesn't alter the general shape tremendously. As for the separation, I think that's a very good idea. Please do. Eistube (talk) 06:14, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

  • Hmm, some of them may be bún or miến though. The ones you found at the store, I mean. Regarding bánh phở, should that be a subset of phở instead of being by itself? But then if you want to have two separate sections, that would be inconvenient to have it as a subset. Also keep in mind that bún will give the same problem, since they can be in soup, cold noodle dishes (bún thịt nướng), hot noodle dishes (bún xào - stir fried bun), or in rolls (salad rolls).
  • Thank you. By bánh tam do you mean this? I will write what I can when I have time. My advisor is bombarding me with emails asking how my resarch project is going.Eistube (talk) 06:49, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Hmm... I think that's it, but it should be spelled bánh tằm, as the noodle is short and round like a silk worm, tằm in Vietnamese. Packaged food here have misspelled labels all the time. Also, the bánh bột lọc picture looks suspicious, because I know of bánh bột lọc as a bánh (cake), like bánh bèo, not as a noodle. One more thing, why did you put bánh hỏi at dry noodle dish? Dry makes me think of packaged stuff, whereas banh hoi must be eaten fresh, like bun. They only make the dried version for convenience. And bánh phở tươi is the same as bánh phở. I believe. Tươi means fresh. Eistube (talk) 06:58, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Ok. I see what you mean. I can't think of anything either. I'll go to bed. Happy editing. Eistube (talk) 07:04, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Re:Dan tranh

I'm no expert in Chinese characters so I don't really know. "Dan" sounds like a modern construction and I usually see it applied to more modern (Western) instruments like the guitar, piano, etc. More traditional instruments get the "cầm" moniker in my experience. I know of at least one word that uses the word "đàn" in the meaning you see defined: bạch đàn. DHN (talk) 06:18, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

University of Florida Taser incident

Reverting my removal of the transcript is fine but reinstating links to copyvios is not. BJTalk 07:30, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

tong sui

Yes you find sweet soups elsewhere in China on occasion but what you don't find is this special category of desserts with a separate name for sweet soups. As I mentioned on the talk page, they may exist but there isn't a distinction. I suppose other Chinese people could call it tang sui (the Mandarin pronounciation of the same words), but I don't think that is widespread enough to warrant mentioning. (talk) 16:47, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't know if this helps my case at all, but the Chinese zh:甜湯 page makes no mention of places other than Guangdong, Guangxi, Hong Kong, and Macau. (talk) 16:54, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Telugu script needed

Thank you; what about "thiruguvaatha" -- is that not a word in Telugu or does it mean something else? Why did someone originally add it? Badagnani (talk) 04:52, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi, just checking to see if you got my message just above. Badagnani (talk) 00:59, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

I dont know who added "thiruguvaatha", I usually hear and pronounce it as "thiragamaatha (తిరగమాత)". So changed it that way. __Mpradeep (talk) 07:00, 30 July 2008 (UTC)


Excuse me! I did it to remind readers that these persons are not Chinese but Vietnamese. This's not harmfull at all, you have to leave it where they should be. (talk) 20:31, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Re:Western vegetables

"mướp tây" seems to refer to okra (it's also known as "đậu bắp"), while "tỏi tây" seems to refer to leek. DHN (talk) 05:52, 31 July 2008 (UTC)


Hi there, if some pro reviews will help your Ida case, here are a couple: Lovers Prayers and My Fair My Dark EP. [Full disclosure, I'm an editor at Crawdaddy! where these were published. But I'm just putting them out there, not editing articles, as per COI guidelines.] Best, Asst. Editor, Crawdaddy! FenderRhodesScholar | Talk 17:33, 31 July 2008 (UTC)


Century Tower

As a current or past contributor to a related article, I thought I'd let you know about WikiProject University of Florida, a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of University of Florida. If you would like to participate, you can visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks and related articles. Thanks! (talk) 20:23, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Re:Trám hương

You probably mean trầm hương, aka aloe wood. DHN (talk) 23:15, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Could you show me where you found this term? DHN (talk) 23:20, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
trầm hương refers to the plant product (ie. the resin or the myrrh) and not the plant itself. I guess trám hương is the name of the "balsamier" plant then. DHN (talk) 23:28, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

ensemble formations

Hello, Badagnani! I'm a little surprised that there are so few articles about ensemble formations (cf. List of ensemble formations in traditional Chinese music). Best, --Reiner Stoppok (talk) 21:28, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Please listen: a) Chaozhou da luogu(de) and b) Xi'an guyue (de). Best, --Reiner Stoppok (talk) 01:07, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Bi pong moun

Since it was an expired PROD, there was no discussion. Check the deletion log. And please, don't create talk pages to non-articles.--Boffob (talk) 20:26, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm not an admin, I can't restore the article, and, as I said, there was no discussion (as it was an expired prod, not an AfD). If you click the red link above, you'll see the deletion logs for this article and the reason for it. You should familiarize yourself with deletion procedures (speedy, prods and AfDs, in the first two cases, articles will be deleted without there being any discussion).--Boffob (talk) 00:02, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Bi pong moun

Bi pong moun was deleted via the WP:PROD process, because a search for references failed to find significant coverage in reliable sources in order to comply with notability requirements. Because no-one raised any objections in a five day period, it didn't need a discussion. If you can find references for it, feel free to recreate it. – iridescent 21:00, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

I've posted a full reply to your post here. – iridescent 21:27, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

I restored Bi pong moun. Please add references to the article. Without references, it is likely to be deleted again. --Eastmain (talk) 00:43, 4 August 2008 (UTC)


In Category:Algonquian loanwords, subdivided to toponyms, ethnonyms and personal names. Put the page as a sub-cat of Algonquian languages. Plenty more candidates at User:CJLippert/notes#To +cat. CJLippert (talk) 03:31, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

In Category:Algonquian toponyms, there are now over 800 places. Blackfoot, Cheyenne and Arapaho places are needed in Colorado, Montana, Nebraska and Wyoming. Indiana still needs to be gone through, as with all of Canadian provinces. So, I was wondering, since I threw in a mapping application onto that Category page, it would be nice if all those that have been categorized had coordinates. Interested in either putting in the coordinates for those locations missing them or know of someone who might be interested in adding them in? CJLippert (talk) 01:08, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Would you ferret out this one, please: Merrimac, Queensland. Thx. CJLippert (talk) 02:42, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Page moves

Hello, would you please take a look at this page history? This is disconcertingly Jacques Nguyen like. I had reverted a move to lower-case "dynasty," which is against WP style, and it was immediately reverted. I think this needs correcting and hope you can help. The editor, whom I believe to be an old editor who has started a new account, is also changing numerous dates at Vietnam history templates, something Jacques and his puppets used to do often. Is it possible that Jacques has a new account and IP address? It's very bothersome. Badagnani (talk) 17:35, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

It's him. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 07:06, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

JacquesNguyen's serial sockpuppetry

Hi. It seems that JacquesNguyen is at it again. I see that Kinh Duong Vuong is probably just another one of his pathetic sockpuppets. I do have one question though: have you actually filed a sockpuppetry case against the user or made a checkuser request? I ask this question becuase the user in question has not been blocked but appears as a "confirmed" sockpuppet (possibly due to a technical error) and I have not been able to find evidence of a report against Kinh Duong Vuong.

Also, check this out[7]. It seems that JacquesNguyen is determined to continue editing his own talk page even though he has already been blocked. Also notice that at the bottom of the diff provided, there is a highly defamatory edit that stayed undetected for a considerable period of time ("F*** you..."). Perhaps this might explain Kinh Duong Vuong 's recent POV pushing. Also notable is the fact that User:Angelo De La Paz appears to have unwittingly aided the user's serial policy violations. By the way, it is possible that the user mentioned above is actually User:Webster121 (and his now many confirmed sockpuppets) who has now been indefinitely blocked. I would not be surprised if that happens to be true. David873 (talk) 13:08, 4 August 2008 (UTC)


Apologies, I had previously read the rules about full stops in abbreviations, but I don't remember the U.S. usage paragraph being there before. Being English I don't use the abbreviation U.S., but US or USA after the first full use; which I thought correct. The differences between American English and International English are vast. Verbal chat 21:24, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Andrés Quintana Roo

Got some more information. Take a look at Talk:Andrés Quintana Roo. --Floridianed (talk) 01:25, 6 August 2008 (UTC)


If you doubt that slivovitz is a Serbian product, take a look at the picture in the Slivovitz article. The bottle of "Navip Slivovitz" plainly says "Serbian Plum Brandy" on its label. I personally finished off a bottle of this stuff not more than three days ago. Wahrmund (talk) 01:31, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Re:Dai Viet

Probably a good idea to incorporate this article into Names of Vietnam, which should discuss all the names that Vietnam had given itself as well as names foreigners had given it. vi:Quốc hiệu Việt Nam DHN (talk) 01:54, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

As it stands now, I think it should stay at Dai Viet, since it's mostly about that name with only a passing reference to the other names. DHN (talk) 01:58, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
I don't have time right now to look up the information and I don't want to just jot stuff from the top of my head. DHN (talk) 02:11, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Re:Lac Long Quan

I thought you already figured this out already. As for the pinyin in these articles, perhaps you can ask User:Yellowtailshark for the reason he added them. DHN (talk) 02:15, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Kinh Duong Vuong

I don't have Checkuser. However, Blnguyen, who made the block, does, so I would ask him. Daniel Case (talk) 03:27, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Hey and hello my friend

Please calm down regarding your recent edits. No offence meant and thanks for listening, --Floridianed (talk) 06:06, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Your edit summary at Yucca Mountain nuclear waste repository

Your edit summary for a recent edit to Yucca Mountain nuclear waste repository was "dab". That would be appropriate when disambiguating a pre-existing link to a disambiguation page but not when creating a new link. In this case "link: fault" would be an appropriate edit summary. See Wikipedia:Edit summary legend#Addition of links for more details. Let me know if you have any questions. --Jeremyb (talk) 08:37, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

About a source used at Lý Long Tường

There is a source used in the article in question that seems to come from an organisation affiliated with a reputable University. The source in question is the one that you stated at the article's talk page. All seemed well until I noticed the following introductory paragraph on Google book search:

Based on papers presented at two international workshops, "Religion in contemporary Vietnam", and the 2005 Vietnam Update, "Not by rice alone : making sense of spirituality in reform-era Vietnam", held at the Australian National University from 10 to 12 August 2005.

It is true that seemingly unrelated topics are often mentioned in passing. However, the big question that just has to be asked is this: "Why and how are the claims coming out of seminars that are supposed to be about spiritiality?" Were there qualifiers such as "Legend has it that..."? Also, the fact that even organisations such as the Institute of Southeast Asian Studies are known to push communist propaganda and that no mainstream sources could be found does seem like a "red flag" signal to me. After all, if the China Education Centre at the University of Sydney (which is pro-PRC) told you that "Taiwan is absolutely part of China" (and I can't imagine why they wouldn't), would you believe it? Some of the claims made clearly belong under the heading "exceptional claims". I have notified three other editors about the blatant misinformation in the article. David873 (talk) 13:34, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Here is a link that you may wish to consider:[8]. There is more information about the book edited by Philip Taylor of Australian National University. The essential point here is that the book is really a collection of eassays (not necessarily written by Taylor) about the role of religion, myths and legends in Vietnamese society. Therefore, without actually seeing the relevant paragraph(s), there is not way to see what the book actually says about the subject.

In the meantime, I will refrain from commenting at the talk page of the disputed article. Also, Rungbachduong's edits probably should be watched closely. I noticed that he has removed the factual accuracy and neutrality template (that I originally inserted) from an article about a famous battle in Vietnamese history. David873 (talk) 23:40, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Rungbachduong clearly does not understand that communist sources are simply not reliable in most cases becuase they are mouthpieces for whatever government is controlling them; invariably, they have "a poor reputation for fact-checking". This is demonstated by his continued failure to properly address my concerns about communist (or otherwise state-run) sources at article talk pages. Frankly though, the continued reliance on state-run sources (which has not been balanced by frequent use of mainstream sources) in the article in question is very disturbing.

In particular, please consider my last point about Rungbachduong's failure to admit that many, if not most, state-run sources cannot be trusted at all seriously. Wikipedia is full of dramas such as POV-pushing, edit warring, sockpuppetry, etc and we do not want to see this being played out at an article that has received very little attention until recently (if we can avoid it). David873 (talk) 01:59, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Please do not include external links to commercial websites in your edits

It's very obvious that you have some interest in maintaing the links which are obviously commerical in nature and violate Wiki link spam policy. If you continue to revert the removed link spam I will report you and recommend that the url that appears in all of the external links you are trying to revert be blacklisted ShiningPath (talk) 18:27, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Glass noodles

I think your right, it aint glass noodles, its vermicelli, although they are transparent —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:11, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Re:Communist sources

I agree with you that many news items that originate in capatalist (or indeed any other non-communist source) are also really nothing more than blatant distortions of the truth (just think about tabloid television for example). However, I think it is widely accepted in the English-speaking world (and probably around the world) that you just simply can't have a reliable news source without something we call (and probably take for granted) "freedom of press". Of course, news outlets in places like Vietnam or North Korea do not fall in this category as they are subject to substantial control and monitoring (often pervasive in fact) by the government. Indeed, an organisation has already accused Vietnam (as well as a few others) of practising "pervasive censorship" of the internet. There is no reason to believe that the situation with Vietnam's online news services would be any different in this regard.

As I have already stated elsewhere, it is probably time to take this issue to the reliable sources noticeboard. I am quite sure that someone has already pointed out that the use of state-run sources should be restricted to cases where one is trying to prove a point about the views of the government that regulates the source in question. For example, if an article appeared in say "The Aurolan Times" and the newspaper was run (or heavily controlled) by a regime that is known to be consistently repressive known as say the "Free Democratic Republic of Aurola", then at most the source can only be used to illustrate the policies and practices of the said regime. So if it said "All Westerners are terrorists", we could say that the government of Aurola advances policies that are not inconsistent with this notion (i.e. some of its policies are probably anti-Western). However, it would be wrong to take it at face value and treat it as though it were high truth in itself.

A possible exception to the above point is if there is no legitinate reason to suspect that a particular state-run source might lie about a certain fact (in practice, only apolitical facts could fall in this category). For example, very few people would winge about a pro-PRC source that was merely used to support a claim about when the 2008 Summer Olympics Opening Ceremony will start (though an alternative is still preferred if one could be found). Another exception would be if a wide range of high-quality sources were found to support the claims.

By applying what I have just said to the Lý Long Tường article, it should become obvious that there are clearly very serious problems with it. As you have already noted, it would be naive to claim without proper evidence that the Vietnamese and North Korean governments (or any other regime that practises extreme levels of censorship) would not lie about the supposed connections between Vietnam and the Korean penisula as described in the disputed article. As for the publication by Taylor, I must again reiterate that Taylor was the editor, not the writer of the essays and that in any case, I am still looking into it. It is possible that the book has been misrepresented. Fortunately though, the book itself seems to be genuine.

Unfortunately, many of my comments apply to an alarmingly large number of Vietnam related articles too. David873 (talk) 03:09, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

More about Lý Long Tường

Here is a "source" that you might also want to consider:[9]. I say "source" rather than source becuause again, this paper does not actually address the subject; it is about something different altogether. All we see is a claim made in the "Historical Background" section, which should not be taken at face value and indeed was sourced from a book written by a Vietnamese author called "Tran" (which was published in 1997, long after Vietnam became communist). I encountered this while I was searching at Google Scholar. At least this does provide further evidence that some academics really do believe the disputed claim to be true (or tricked into believing so perhaps?).

As I have foreshadowed, I will refrain from commenting at the talk page of said article until the South Korean point of view on this matter comes to light. David873 (talk) 04:12, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Vesola Slivovitz

Wesoła in polish language means Happy. It's not brand name or producer. It's only comercial name. Wesoła is a name of many villages in Poland. BR Drozdp (talk) 12:49, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Probably one of the Polmos company. Before our economical changes we have in Poland only one strong alcohol producer - Polmos after 1989 the company was divide and privatize. Today one here or there still keep old name Polmos and add the name of the seat city f.e. Polmos Bielsko - Biała B.R. Paweł Drozd Drozdp (talk) 13:02, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Amara Karan

I could, but would that be a wp:rs? I'm not very good at the nitty gritty of it all. Amo (talk) 20:34, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


Caspian's article topic is really not relevant than your own, so could you perhaps consider not nagging him to merge it with the vegetarian article? You only seem to be keeping the dispute going rather than calming it down to more a more constructive level. If anything, I should point out that Caspian's additions carry greater weight than your's since sources have actually been provided. You should really consider doing so yourself.

Peter Isotalo 23:08, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Korean veg. cuisine et al articles

I am posting the same message at both Badagnani's and Caspian Blue's talk pages, ordered alphabetically.

Please refrain from becoming involved in another edit war. If you cannot agree on a solution then stop editing now and I will request a neutral third party peer review for you. --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 01:36, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

With all due respect, perhaps you're not the best editor to make such a pronouncement, as Caspian Blue took unilateral action to move a page without consensus, as you have done several times, and continue to do. My requests, made primarily at discussion pages--that pages not be moved without proper consensus being sought and attained--are quite reasonable. More importantly, you made your pronouncement *after* the page had been moved, creating the "possession is nine tenths of the law" situation that has occurred several times with your own unilateral moves. Badagnani (talk) 01:42, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
Could you try to leave Caspian alone for a while? I'm seeing a lot of pointless insults towards you, but I'm also noticing that you appear to, willingly or not, provoking a fellow editor. Please just don't, because it seem as if you're trying to exact some kind of minor vendetta. Try working on your article for a while instead of trying to force your own solution on Caspian. If the temple cuisine article needs merging, it will be obvious to others as well soon enough.
Peter Isotalo 10:15, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Re:Phu Tho

An anonymous user added Song Thao to the Phu Tho article. According to vi:Sông Thao (huyện), Song Thao had a storied history, first being a district of Vinh Phu, being a combination of Cam Khe and Yen Lap and 10 communes of Ha Hoa. In 1980 it was split into two, Yen Lap and Song Thao, in 1995, the 10 communes were returned to Ha Hoa. In 2002 it was renamed Cam Khe, returning to its original name.

No bot created the articles for the Vietnamese districts. They were created by a person, and he might have missed some. DHN (talk) 20:58, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Done. DHN (talk) 21:18, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Kinh Duong Vuong

If you were sure it was the same user (using the same IP address?), how come the user claims he doesn't know who JacquesNguyen is?[10] Then again, I seem to recall that, when blocked on earlier occasions, he's also claimed not to know who JacquesNguyen was. Badagnani (talk) 06:17, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

One of his computers is shared. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 08:57, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

You missed the discussion

Did you read Talk:Opposition_to_water_fluoridation#10 liters of water a day issues? That explains why that bit is irrelevant to the article on fluoridation opposition. Note the article isn't about opposition to high fluoride levels: it's an article about opposition to municipalities fluoridating their water intentionally. Since there are no sources which indicate any community ever fluoridates to a sum total of 4 mG/L, this "information" is really only relevant to another article, not the article on fluoridation opposition.

I'm leaving for the day, but it would be a great show of good faith if you'd admit your mistake and self-revert.


ScienceApologist (talk) 21:17, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Actually, some of the anti-fluoride organizations are not interested in the municipal fluoridation issue. Some of them want the EPA to lower the maximum allowed fluoride concentration from 4 mG/L to something lower. However, the upper limit of 4 mG/L does not occur in any drinking water that is intentionally fluoridated. Other groups that are opposed to INTENTIONAL fluoridation use the 4 mG/L limit and mix it with the 1.2 mg/L maximum fluoridation that occurs in cold water supply sources to argue some unverifiable synthesis that somehow it's intentional fluoridation that is causing health problems. It isn't. The data is clear that it is only high natural occurrence of fluoride or pollutants in the water supply that are the real issue. No municipality is fluoridating water supplies up to the hard EPA limit. ScienceApologist (talk) 21:26, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Health impacts of fluoride ingestion may certainly be seen at low (or even very low) levels. Badagnani (talk) 21:23, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
No health impacts are seen for 1.2 mG/L concentrations. ScienceApologist (talk) 21:26, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Wu Chuanyu

Hey, that's great material you've added to the article. Do you have a reference we could add to the article? Thanks! — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 21:54, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the reference; I have updated the article accordingly. One thing missing is a reference to Wu's attendance at the National People's Congress. That isn't said in either the Google or Yahoothe translation of this webpage, nor is the exact date of the plane crash. Did you have another reference for that information? I'm guessing it's from the references on zh:吴传玉, but those specific links seem to be dead. I also tried the search box on [11] but didn't get very far. Thanks! — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 19:59, 14 August 2008 (UTC)


You said:

"Please do not add nonsense to Wikipedia, as you did to the Slivovitz page. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you."

That offends me because that I deliberately wrote what I wrote, and I think that was sarcasm, not nonsense. So, maybe vandalism, but no nonsense. Nonsense was that i found on that page: "Croatian origin" of slivovitz with wrong and unrelated "references" (not a word of Croatia there) and can something be named other than "stupid" if, knowing about origin of the distillation process, nevertheless can find that Slivovitz distillation take roots on the culturally unrelated Croatian soil.

Please imagine, i.e., if someone wrote that pizza is not original Italian food, and it is Polynesian (and even worse, take Cognac to the UK), and cite as reference some medical text about spotted fever group rickettsia instead (non-existing) original source.

I would be angry and disappointed if i were Italian or French, and probably i would intentionally wrote something like I wrote on the page about Slivovitz...

So please do not respond to me with that attitude, or at least first give some time for thinking about things I wrote and try to understand my reaction.

Thank you. (talk) 01:07, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Etymology source

The Susquehanna River Basin Commission website has a PDF table of the sources of Native American names in the Susquehanna River watershed. Tioga is a Cayuga word. Codorus is unknown. I have Donehoo's Indian "Place Names in Pennsylvania" which they use as a major source. Thanks for doing this - do you speak / understand Lenape? Ruhrfisch ><>°° 18:05, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

I am the main author of White Deer Hole Creek, which was named Woap-achtu-woalhen in Lenape, and means "White Deer digs a hole" according to Donehoo. I am always trying to figure what this means ;-) I agree on the place names - I have read somewhere that Pennsylvania has more Native AMerican palce names than any other state, yet most of them are next to meaningless for most residents today. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 18:13, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Olympics qin player

I think he was an actor/performer and not a qin player as none of my colleagues recognised him. I don't think the motions matched the sounds much and his over-eccentric wavy arm gestures proves it. --Charlie Huang 【遯卋山人】 16:51, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

  • Oh dear. He could have done a better job (and Zhang Yimou should have known better than to direct him to do those silly movements!) --Charlie Huang 【遯卋山人】 19:11, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Banh cuon

I saw you removed the image I added yesterday in the bánh cuốn page. In the discussion of that page I put the link to the image. So could you add the image please? Thanks Eistube (talk) 19:34, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

My apology for overlooking it. But I think my image is a better representation of the dish, because the homemade banh cuon has a very thick flour coat, which is incorrect. If done correctly, the flour sheet has to be clear and thin so that you can see the stuffing inside. It's understandable because it is homemade, but it should be in the gallery instead. Eistube (talk) 19:45, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Article guidelines


I deleted your comment on the new Article guidelines community forum. I was still setting it up when you added it, and it was a little off-topic. If you want to comment now, go ahead. --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 04:37, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Actually, it is more like an RfC, please take a look at the posited question and add your opinion. --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 05:09, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a recipe book

Wikipedia is not a manual, guidebook, or textbook - Instruction manuals. While Wikipedia has descriptions of people, places, and things, a Wikipedia article should not read like a how-to style manual of instructions, advice (legal, medical, or otherwise) or suggestions, or contain how-tos. This includes tutorials, walk-throughs, instruction manuals, game guides, and recipes. If you are interested in a how-to style manual, you may want to look at wikiHow or our sister project Wikibooks. a recipe is not required and is not in line with wikipedia guidelines. if you don't agree with those guidelines, feel free to bring it up at ANI or the village pump. Sennen goroshi (talk) 07:07, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

lighten up

you do not OWN this page. you may remove comments as you see fit, but you do not allow anything on this talk page.

It was a good faith comment, and if you don't like it, perhaps you should find somewhere that has a language filter to edit.

Your attitude is lacking, I paid you a compliment regarding the speed of your edit and you get all stressed because of one mildly offensive word.

I find your removal of my comment much more offensive that the word used.

Sennen goroshi (talk) 07:15, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

stop following me and my edits please

please don't follow me around wikipedia reverting my edits. Sennen goroshi (talk) 08:11, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

"Sheboygan" origin

The place name origin listed at List of Wisconsin county name etymologies, but it is unsourced. This book says an Ojibwa word for "Tobacco Pipe", and this book says it's an aboriginal word meaning "river that runs out of the ground." Royalbroil 01:30, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Nice to meet you

These "notable players" are really notable. I'm a user from, so I can search for their names in Google. (I'm sorry for my unfluent English.)--KeepOpera (talk) 06:01, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm glad that you are so friendly. I'll help with articles related to Chinese culture and others. In Wéijī Bǎikē(Wikipedia zh), people respond me after a long period of time...--KeepOpera (talk) 06:14, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

In fact, "KeepOpera" means "keep using Opera Browser", though I'm a little interested in Chinese opera, but I don't have a good knowledge of it. In coming several years, my edits in Wikipedia en will be only minor edits.--KeepOpera (talk) 06:26, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Crème de Violette

Thanks for the feedback on the photo, it was a nice welcome back. Yes, it's my bottle, I bought it yesterday. I haven't opened it yet, however. Crypticfirefly (talk) 01:33, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Re:Hoa Lư

Hoa Lư was the capital of the entity now known as Vietnam from 968 to 1010 (when the capital was moved to Thang Long/Hanoi). It was located in what is today Truong Yen commune, Hoa Lu district, Ninh Binh Province. DHN (talk) 08:21, 20 August 2008 (UTC)


If you have a look over some of the talk page I think you can see that any TKD/Karate parallels are contentious and likely to cause strong reactions. However I would maintain that the question is not to do with the article so is probably more appropriate for an off wiki forum. A short answer would be I imagine it was because the Korean Olympic Commette got behind TKD, and as there are multipel styles of Karate, no single one was pushed hard enough. It amy also have been that as Judo already part of the Olympics adding another Japanese sport at the time might have been contenious, as I said for detais ask the IOC, not the editors but the organisation. --Nate1481 10:22, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

As this is all my own opinion or surmise none of it is appropriate for the article, I may be completely wrong and giogn to a reliable source such as IOC publications on the subject would still be needed. --Nate1481 15:27, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Re:Dong Duong

In Quang Nam there's a district called "Đông Giang". The supermarket near your home is probably "Đông Dương". On a somewhat related note, near my house there's a supermarket called "A Dong" (Á Đông). DHN (talk) 01:09, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Korean food images

As requested I uploaded a batch to the commons. Most are snack foods and drinks.

Mindme (talk) 01:15, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

I've added a whack more. You caught the goldfish bread ice cream I see :) Mindme (talk) 02:22, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Concerns over the 2008 Summer Olympics

The article is a thorough mess, and I thought the comments of the talk page were indicative of a consensus. Furthermore, I see little need to have elaborate coatrack sections when the related topics are clearly linked to. So, unless anyone can demonstrate how these subjects which I removed have anything but a tangential relation to the games, they should remain deleted. Ohconfucius (talk) 05:52, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Please don't revert

The edits I've made on TKD are original edits that I've made in good faith with explanation given in the discussion page. Please don't revert my edits without explanation or participation in discussion. If you disagree with my edits please explain why. I'm willing to discuss and compromise but let's not go down the path of reverting. Most of my "changes" are deletion of nonexistent references anyways.Melonbarmonster2 (talk) 22:27, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Blocked for 31 hours

As you were edit-warring on Taekwondo and clearly know not to do that, from your block history log, I've blocked you for a 31 hour period (and Melonbarmonster2 as well, you were both in the wrong).

I also protected the page for a week.

Please don't do this again. You know what talk pages are for. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 23:52, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

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{{unblock|I did not engage in edit warring, and did use "Discussion" to request that massive blanking not occur at Taekwondo without consensus.}} Badagnani (talk) 23:54, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

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The two independent reverts involved do not amount to edit-warring, and the talk comments were civil

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I am inclined to agree with this unblock request. You made only two reverts to Taekwondo ([12], [13]) and also discussed your concerns on the talk page. This does not amount to edit warring. Please stand by as I ask the blocking admin for comment.  Sandstein  09:13, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
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Thank you kindly for this; it doesn't seem to have worked, however, as I see only "View source" when clicking the "Edit" tab.

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Chinese raw fish

Yes, although it was considered "bad" by many doctors of the dynastic times, everybody just kept eat it (likely because it's quite tasty). The Chinese in general ate mainly cooked food, but for the sake of simplicity (peasants), novelty (middle classes), or to be show that they can (high classes and imperial cuisine), raw fish was consumed. Culture transmission could have passed eating raw fish from China->Korea->Japan, but I suspect that eating raw fish or meat was discovered simultaneously in many places at once. Here is an English article summarizing the bulk of the info. Scroll a bit down.Sjschen (talk) 00:18, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

When used on its own 膾 really only means raw meat and as such the character or term could have been adopted into ancient Korean culture and does not necessarily require that the food be adopted with the word. Proving or disproving either is likely something difficult (Master's in Asian Study maybe?). On the other hand, "Mincing" as the "wiktionary" or alternate meaning of this word could be due to the fact that one of the most popular way that the Ancient Chinese enjoyed eating raw fish and meat was to have them cut into thin noodle like strands (like yusheng). Sjschen (talk) 00:47, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

For more stuff on the Chinese 膾, another good resource is the Chinese wikipedia on 生魚片, the word 膾 has be used since the Zhou Dynasty (~800BC) to denote finely cut raw meats and fish. According to the Classic of Rites, it is only proper to eat the stuff with scallions in spring and mustard in the fall. Sjschen (talk) 01:15, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Very true, but I guess there are hypocrites everywhere at any time :) Sjschen (talk) 01:19, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

That one looks like a direct translation of much of the info in the Chinese wiki. The good thing is that there are some citations on it in the wiki. Bad thing is that are not a lot. Sjschen (talk) 01:27, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

I guess tasty things transcends all cultures and classes. Maybe it would be a good idea to do something (like new article) with the mass of data we have accumulated here! Sjschen (talk) 01:38, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes indeed! You may have honours of starting it :) Sjschen (talk) 01:42, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Can you add the history section to the article righ now?

Because I don't want the editor take the credit for my hard working on expanding the history section of Hoe (dish). I left all necessary info (although the translation is less half of my sources) Thanks. --Caspian blue (talk) 00:35, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

I left contents for history section of the article at Talk:Hoe (dish). I'm on some unofficial sanction along with the user, so I could not edit the article as long as he edits.....--Caspian blue (talk)
It's OK, I added the information. I don't think Caspian should be using meatpuppets in order to get around his editing restrictions, and neither do I think it matters who gets credit for what. We are here to improve wikipedia, not to get credit for edits made. Sennen goroshi (talk) 03:20, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
I don't use meatpuppet. Do not mock me anymore.--Caspian blue (talk) 03:26, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
This appears to show that the Korean dish hoe is not of Japanese origin (weren't you, Sennen goroshi, repeatedly trying to insert statements to this effect?), but actually of Chinese origin, though raw fish dishes seem to be shared between CJK cultures. What we'll need now, since this "History" focuses on China, are sources showing the links between the nations in creating Korea's hoe tradition, as well as as many Korean historical sources regarding this dish as possible. Badagnani (talk) 03:26, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, you were right. But I live and learn. Thanks for your help on the Hoe article, Badagnani.. Sennen goroshi (talk) 04:00, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

So you're using me.

You only restored my redacted ask and removed the fact that your personal attacks. You falsely accused me as usual. You have no interest from the first to help me, but just use my information and discussion with Sjechen. To content your curiosity, you just use me as always. That's why you constantly conflicts with Korean or Vietnamese editors. You first behave very nicely to some new editors and then persistently ask to fill information that you want to know. If someone try to fix it, you falsely accuse people of doing vandalism and blanking info massively. Your attitude, and your so-call pan-Asianism based on your point of view are not really welcome to Korean project. You really take advantage of my discussion with Sjechen. Please do ever stalk me. I have not complaint your following because you fix my grammatical errors, except that what good you have done for your following me? Besides, if you earn a respect, please be civil. That would be the last talk with you ever. Good bye.--Caspian blue (talk) 03:25, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Could you kindly moderate your tone? It's really very important that we keep a calm and level head at all times, as WP editors. Badagnani (talk) 03:27, 24 August 2008 (UTC)


You are eligible to display one of the veteran awards from WP:SERVICE on your user page.   — C M B J   12:06, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Assuming good faith

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Your continual posts at Talk:Concerns and controversies over the 2008 Summer Olympics are showing strong points of harassment towards another user. Please try to be more reasonable with your posts. Thank You.--DanteAgusta (talk) 07:18, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Very well, I have handed over this case to an administrator, please make your case to them.--DanteAgusta (talk) 07:40, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Stop your revert warring

Please stop revert warring. If you continue to revert I will take formal courses of action. I started a section in the talk page[[14]]to explain this edit[[15]] to the kimchi article which was made per WP:TRIV and WP:HTRIV which states, "If an item is too unimportant, be bold and remove it." Melonbarmonster2 (talk) 21:44, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Badagnani is right to revert the removal of the "deep kimchi" section. There is consensus in place, and that has been the situation for a long time. This has been discussed before. Wikipedia works on consensus, but of course anyway is capable of obtaining new consensus, however until new consensus has been reached, the article should remain the same. Sennen goroshi (talk) 04:55, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Aki Kaurismäki's surname

Please find my contribution at the end of Aki Kaurismäki article talk page, where you asked for etymology of his surname. JTMnen (talk) 20:34, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


The {{cookbook}} template can be used (as seen in grilled cheese sandwich) to provide full recipes on Wikibooks. I see that you are a regular contributor to food and drink articles, so I hope this helps you.   — C M B J   21:28, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Hello, thank you for your comment to my page. I'm a bit confused and unable to evaluate it because it appears that two separate editors have added templates rather than personal messages, which don't really explain in detail what purported editing error I may have made. Can you please be more specific? Thanks, Badagnani (talk) 21:30, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
This is even more confusing--why did you move a comment from August 17, 2008 to after August 28, 2008? That makes it confusing for me, and for others. Could you fix that? Badagnani (talk) 21:31, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
I was afraid you wouldn't see my comment if it was twenty sections from the bottom. I've undone it per your request.   — C M B J   21:41, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
No, I always check changes to my Discussion page. Regarding recipes, I have never once added a full recipe to Wikipedia, and maybe in about three instances since I began here, I objected to straight deletion of recipes, asking that the text in the recipe be instead reworked into a straight description of what the dish is made of, and how it's made (though in prose form). Some article creators don't know that adding recipes (as one would find in a cookbook) isn't allowed. Rewriting recipes in prose form is actually what WPFOOD's guidelines specify, so that all articles about discrete dishes contain these basic pieces of information. I still don't know which article in particular you are referring to, where I may have made an error in editing. Badagnani (talk) 21:44, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
I wasn't condemning you for any particular edit. I saw that another contributor had complained to you about inclusion of recipes in Wikipedia, and I felt that I could offer positive insight.   — C M B J   22:20, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
Thanks; I've worked on cuisine articles for years, and certainly did already know that recipes are a no-no. You'll find that other editors sometimes will say anything in order to make another editor look bad; in this case an editor was apparently going around saying that I insisted on including a recipe, etc. etc., when what I actually insisted was that recipes that are mistakenly added be converted to prose rather than deleted entirely (leaving the article without the ingredients and manner of preparation). Maybe in the future you could first do some background checking on the edits to see what actually was going on in such instances. I have found the edits you generally make to be of high quality, and your conduct and demeanor at Discussion pages right in keeping with WP's ideals (something we don't always find here). Badagnani (talk) 22:26, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
Indeed, you'll find that other editors sometimes will always try to pass on the blame onto others, to make [him]self look good. Ohconfucius (talk) 05:58, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
When editing food articles, attention should also be paid to adhere to WP:NOT#HOWTO. It's not sufficient to convert a recipe into a list of the main ingredients... leaving detailed instructions as you would find in a cookbook is also not allowed. Ohconfucius (talk) 05:56, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Films roll call and coordinator elections

Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 08:25, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

bd template

I won't impose the bd template on the article Yuriko (dancer), but can you tell me where you got the information that it's confusing to most WP editors? It seems pretty straightforward to me. — Myasuda (talk) 20:46, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

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Help a new photographer for Wikipedia?!

I was looking through Flickr for photos for biography pages lacking photos, and found a photographer who mentioned that he'd uploaded a photo of Leo Kottke to Wikipedia, (not Wikimedia Commons), licensed it as free use, and set up an account in Wikipedia (it was his first effort here of any kind) but he never could figure out how to upload the photo! I got it up there, but it was only the third page where I'd done so. The other pages I did were Derek Trucks, and Susan Tedeschi. It's kind of trial and error, and I still don't know how to replace photos into infoboxes He wants to join us. I offered to help him get started and find him a mentor, but hope there might be one here with more experience to teach him, as he's a pro photographer- probably his primary area of interest. I still can't figure out how to replace the photographs in the infoboxes, and wouldn't mind learning how to do basic things like that myself! Do you know who might be willing to help him out, (and maybe teach me a few fundamentals in the photo department?) The whole explanation in WP mystifies me, and he's a professional photographer who frequently photographs famous people; and I think he's also bilingual. If you can't help him, is there anybody you know??!--leahtwosaints (talk) 01:07, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Article: Tom Abbs

I have removed the PROD template as a procedural matter based on your request on Talk:Tom Abbs. Note that you can remove the PROD template yourself. See WP:PROD for more information. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 10:33, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Provide the "page numbers" and quotation from Grove

You have the obligation to provide exact page numbers and quotation to support your claim "the buk is generally used to refer a specific buk used for pansori, and samul nori. If you fail to provide the info, well, you also lose your credibility more, and the article of course, will be back to the previous status.--Caspian blue (talk) 05:00, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

That source comes from the online version of the New Grove Dictionary, which doesn't provide the user with the page number. But the page number wouldn't be difficult to get from the hard copy. Badagnani (talk) 05:10, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
Then, provide the weblink and quotation that you refer to. It is just like Britannica. You're relying on the citation, but you were calm for 25 minutes on my demand. I will check the source for sure, so you need to provide the source.--Caspian blue (talk) 05:13, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
I have added the link. Badagnani (talk) 05:14, 4 September 2008 (UTC)


I don't know whether you realise that Musette is shown on this page Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links/from templates which is why people try and 'correct' it to one of the choices on that page. The choice Musette de cour is probably made as it states '...Both the chanters and the drones have a cylindrical bore and use a double reed...'. As you seem to have more knowledge on this subject perhaps if you could correct Musette in the template to something with less ambiguity, (from your comment perhaps Musette (folk shawn)?) then it would sort the problem. Thanks. Tassedethe (talk) 21:15, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of Hayagriva Swami

Greetings Badagnani,

I just created a page for Hayagriva Swami (See and within minutes it has been nominated for deletion. Would you kindly look at it and if you think it has some value say something on the talk page? Henrydoktorski (talk) 14:12, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks! Henrydoktorski (talk) 03:06, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Personal attack

Information.svg Regarding your comments on User:Caspian blue: Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks will lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you.--Caspian blue (talk) 04:16, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

There was no attack; it was simply a template asking you not to blank content from articles (in this case a photo of a vegetarian dish, at the Korean vegetarian cuisine article, which you insisted on unilaterally blanking from that article this evening). Badagnani (talk) 04:18, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
The contents contains "do not vandalise the page". You're templating to a "regular" on contrary to your catchy praise. I provided the better and clearer source, and you are the one insisting on putting the dubious image in the poor quality. Do not ever abuse the term, "blanking". That is also another absurd accusation.--Caspian blue (talk) 04:32, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Do not wiki-stalk me

You have been wiki-stalking almost every of my edits as checking my contributions history. I've warned you numerous times before, but you're still doing so. Do not ever follow me any more and edit other articles with "source". That is what Wikipedians do.--Caspian blue (talk) 04:24, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Xilamulun River

Hi, I just noticed that you created the article on this river a while ago (thanks a lot). My unformed guess is that the official romanization of that river's name, as used in maps and the like, would be more like Xar Murun He (or something similar, cf. stuff like Hohhot, Shaanxi etc.). Would you mind if I move the article? Regards, Yaan (talk) 15:51, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Album page(s)?

HI! as yet I haven't heard from the photographer I mentioned to you, but I did get the pic of Leo Kottke that he uploaded to Wikipedia added as the 2nd photo on Kottke's page. He was glad! HALLELUJIAH! This was only the third page that I tried adding pics w/ free use status. BUT- I uploaded a photo (a smaller copy of a record album cover to Flickr from Alun Davies (known best for being the supporting guitarist beside Cat Stevens in the 1970s, and again now that he's back as Yusuf Islam. However, Davies has put out his own albums too, between 1963-1972 & that last one, Daydo in 1972 is the best, though small, so as not to mess with copyright law onto Flickr. My user name there is leah2saints. NOW MY NEED FOR HELP- I began the page with User: Tvoz but would like to place the 3 known albums that are currently on Davies' page on album pages. At least for Daydo, there's plenty of information. Can you help me upload it into Wikimedia Commons, explaining that I know that someone someplace probably still has a copyright, but since it's been unavailable for sale for a couple of decades, and shows him and illustrates the album cover, I think it should be OK legally to have it to be placed here. Right? Please help me! --leahtwosaints (talk) 21:03, 9 September 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for commenting, Caspian and Badagnani. I did go through the talk page history when Caspian Blue first contacted me. Badagnani, I would like your response to the same seven points I presented to Caspian Blue. Caspian, would you please clarify whether you would agree with points 1, 5, 6, and 7 in principle given enough sourcing of these usages in English? Thanks. --Amble (talk) 00:44, 10 September 2008 (UTC) Here is the question I asked Caspian blue earlier. Do you agree with the following? For each one, feel free to give a simple yes/no or a short answer.

1. A loan-word such as buk can have different ranges of meaning in English and Korean.

  • In Korean, the term buk can be used to mean "drum," but in English the English word "drum" is used to refer to drums. In both languages the word refers to the shallow barrel drum used in several genres of traditional Korean music.

2. In Korean, 북 can mean "drum" in general.

  • Buk is one of two Korean words that can mean "drum" in general, the other being the Sino-Korean go. Buk is an indigenous Korean word, probably onomatopoetic in origin, while go is a word that was adapted and absorbed into Korean from China. For drums of Western origin, sometimes other names are used, such as 드럼셋 (deureom set) for the drum kit, borrowed from English. Both terms (buk and go) may be used either by themselves, or as suffixes in terms naming specific traditional drums. Because the shallow barrel drum is simply called buk in Korean, this probably means that the shallow barrel drum was Korea's indigenous drum--probably originally used in shamanism, like similar barrel drums in other nearby Asian nations also practicing shamanism--whereas the great profusion of Korean drums whose names bear the suffix go came to Korea later, from China. Thus, the shallow barrel drum called buk could be seen as something like Korea's "default" drum, hence the use of the term to refer to this specific, autochthonous instrument as well as as a generic term meaning "drum."

3. In Korean, 북 can mean any drum used in Korean traditional music.

  • No, it can't. Buk is used in Korean to mean "drum," but when referring to specific drums, as the sources show, the drums' specific names are used. For example, in concert programs, CD liner notes, writings about music, radio broadcast commentary, etc.--the actual names of the individual drums are given, to avoid confusion. Because the buk is often used (as in samulnori) in tandem with another very commonly used Korean drum--the janggu, when referring to specific Korean drums, each drum is referred to by its specific name: buk, janggo, galgo, etc.--these names all listed at Traditional Korean musical instruments. There is a good reason for this: to avoid confusion by using terminology of greater specificity. There is necessarily variation in usage between writers on music and the general public, as in many, if not most cultures the general public is not as well informed about distinctions between traditional musical instruments. However, in an encyclopedia it's important to be as clear and specific as possible.

4. In Korean, 북 can mean a specific type of Korean barrel drum, as here: ko:사물놀이.

  • This is correct; as the New Grove Dictionary, NCKTPA, and samulnori sources state, the term buk is usually used to refer to the shallow barrel-shaped drum used in pansori, samulnori, and a few other genres. However, buk can also be used as a suffix, when specific types of shallow barrel drum are being named. In context, however, when discussing either pansori or samulnori, for example, the prefix is left off and the instrument is simply called buk. In the context of pansori, when both the buk and janggu (both of which are used in this type of music) are being described, the janggu is never described as a form of buk, but simply called a janggu. Further, buk is not used as a suffix for drums that are not shallow barrel drums.

5. In English, buk does not refer to drums in general.

  • This statement is correct. The term buk is only used in Korean as a generic term meaning "drum." As the English-language sources dealing with Korean traditional percussion instruments indicate, the term "buk" is usually used to refer to the shallow barrel drum called buk, again to avoid confusion with the other drums that have their own names.

6. In English, buk may or may not refer to all drums in Korean traditional music, to be determined by usage in reliable sources.

  • In English, the term buk is not typically used in this manner (to refer to all traditional Korean drums), in literature related to Korean music. As the New Grove Dictionary and NCKTPA sources state, buk is usually used in English to refer to the shallow barrel-shaped drum used in a few genres of traditional Korean music.

7. In English, buk may or may not refer to a specific type of Korean barrel drum, to be determined by usage in reliable sources.

  • Yes, the sources show that buk is usually used in English to refer to the shallow barrel-shaped drum used in pansori, samulnori, and a few other genres.

Thanks. --Amble (talk) 00:45, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Badagnani (talk) 01:15, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Vietnam articles

I thought as much. A few of their edits have been positive, but the majority are POV. Looking in at the other IPs you mentioned, I don't think blocking will be very effective with them, since it appears the user in question is using a dynamic IP. Just keep reporting, and we'll keep blocking. bibliomaniac15 03:33, 10 September 2008 (UTC) PS: By the way, you might want to archive your talk page. My computer is starting to chug.