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Birthday of Cheer Chen

Hi, please visit my talk page for a reply to your queries. Knowhow 17:56, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Request for assistance

Hey, Bad. Would you be willing to assist me on the North Omaha, Nebraska article? There's a newbie there that created the article & an anon edit (they may be both the same person) whom are putting a lot of flat out inaccurate and NPOV information on about North Omaha in the article. I think they have a huge misunderstanding of a lot of Wikipedia policies. Any help you might be would be appriciated. Thanks. Equinox137 03:44, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your note--but I'm afraid I don't know anything about North Omaha. If the "progressive" adjective seems out of place, I'd say it sounds somewhat POV unless it's generally agreed that this is the case (progressive usually meaning "liberal," "open-minded," politically pluralistic/inclusive) and this aspect is noted in published articles about the neighborhood, etc. I'd say, for example, that Madison, Wisconsin or maybe Shaker Heights, Ohio might be considered "progressive" according to such reasoning. Badagnani 04:15, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Fair enough. Here's the situation I face: North Omaha is probably Omaha's equivalent to East St. Louis, Watts,'s a very rough area of the city and there is a lot of gang violence, drug activity, etc...Due to events in Omaha's history, namely the Omaha Race Riot of 1919, the city has been racially segregated with the north being majority African-American in population.
The creator of the article wants to describe North Omaha as "considered the urban center and one of Omaha's most progressive communities" (which doesn't seem to be in a political context) and having a "a rich diversity of cultures" (which is flat out inaccurate.) Furthermore, he has deleted legimatate sources I have provided that allude not only to the crime problem that area of the city faces, but attempts by the community to obtain a solution - calling adding that information "vandalism." It would be really helpful if a third party could explain to this individual exactly how wikipedia views vandalism, factual accuracy (citing sources), and NPOV policy. If you don't want to get involved in this one, I'll understand... Thanks Equinox137 06:07, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Hmm, from what you say about it, what's written about this place sounds inaccurate. Why not get some of the regular contributors to the Omaha or Nebraska articles to comment? Badagnani 06:09, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
I'll go ahead & do that, however I don't know too much Omaha editors that well. Mainly the assistance I need is a more experienced (and neutral) editor than I to explain basicly how Wikipedia works. The creator (again, a newbie) is under the impression that because he created the article, that's it "belongs" to him and he is the sole authority on what stays and goes. Again, if you don't want to get involved in this one, I'll understand... Equinox137 06:12, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for you help, Bad. By the way, if you're interested in the Law Enforcement points of view as it relates to Kent State and incidents like it (although I don't think Kent State has been directly mentioned yet), ( might be a good source of a law enforcement officer's perspective. Equinox137 06:30, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

CFD:University shootings

I saw your comments on that discussion. Thanks for backing it. Equinox137 09:02, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Bonay Bolay

I've added the redirects for these words to pu-erh tea. What I meant was that I thought someone moved the original redirects from **** to ****_tea. Can't say I've seen the words on tea boxes, but then again the teas I buy usually do not come with English labels. I'll ask my Cantonese friends about the bo"yi" v.s. bo"lay" question. Sjschen 22:59, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

I'll put that into the page when I have access to a computer where I can set chinese typing. I've had the foojoy stuff before. It's not bad, but to me it's always a bit too "composty" for enjoyment. If you are interested, try the stuff here and in particular, this. Sjschen 23:21, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Copy and pasted the characters in. My opinion (and solely mine) on Pu-erh's popularity in Hongkong is that they have some of the easiest access to much of the teas from Yunnan and due to demand has become popularized and even,"hyped" up worldwide. I would not say it's not popular in Yunnan, if that were the case the tradition for tea production would not have been passed on in the "low" periods. Still, currently much of the good stuff produced is shipped out of Yunnan, so I don't know how much access the population there has to good pu-erh tea. Sjschen 23:37, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: Thanks

Oh, it's no problem for me, either way. My only concern is that the tag adds you into Category:Requests for unblock, and if you're not blocked, then... well, you get the idea, I bet. :) If you'd like to keep the tag all nice and pretty, I suppose you could subst it and just remove the category tag (or let me know and I could do it for you). As it is now seems fine, but if you'd like to just remove it completely, I won't call the wikicops on you. Luna Santin 00:02, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: Kung Pao Chicken

No, the rm tag was placed on the article because the text is a direct copy of the linked website. --—Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

My apologies... thanks for the clarification on that, I've just seen several pages in the past few days where that had to be done. Marrilpet 00:58, 14 November 2006 (UTC)


I really don't know if they're planning to go that route or not, but, as I said on the FUC talk page today, this "totally free" thing is a pipe dream they're going to still be chasing ten or more years from now. Ironically, "fair use" images are probably the safest stuff they have, because it's pretty easy to source them. The images under the various licenses will be the first to get attacked in any sort of legal argument because there's some ambiguity. This group of admins (and it appears to be a pretty small but vocal group) haven't quite figured out that idealistically wanting something and reality rarely align. -- ChadScott 03:32, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

guzheng techniques

I've put back the sentence (rephrased). It's just I prefer a more absolute interpretation of music, I don't know if that's the right word, you know the idea of music of being music itself, not that music can't evoke certain feelings or imagery. Also expressing waterfalls etc is open to POV, and I though it might be better to be as objective as possible. LDHan 18:48, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, there is certainly a programmatic element to much of Chinese music that goes back centuries, eg the pipa piece Ambush on all sides. LDHan 20:03, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Andres Quintana Roo

Ok first time putting something in discussion but here I go. Thanks for the quick edit on the Andres Quintana Roo article. Alixb 14 November 2006

Your question left me thinking... "Quinto" means fifth it could be derived from there, but I have no idea if that would apply for "Quintana". As for the Roo it sounds more like a Nahuatl word but your guess is as good as mine. Quick question (probably in edit guide or something but can't find it) how is it you redirect if someone searches ie: "andres quintana roo" it shows you that there is no such article, because the proper name for it is "Andrés Quintana Roo", so how would you make it so if they type that it goes to the "Andrés Quintana Roo" article? thanks :) And nice to meet you too.

Alixb 17 November 2006

Thannks for the help, it worked :) Alixb 18 November 2006

Word capitalizations

I don't think the second words should be cap-ed. However I've edited them with cap. to be consistant. Sjschen 05:25, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

"Dian hong" is one word so the D should remain capped. However, I sorta rethinking Orange Pekoe. I've seen the P being capped in many places. Sjschen 05:57, 15 November 2006 (UTC)


You're probably right about the idea that cooking wolfberries (wb) and doing so with oil probably allows one to get more of the nutrients in the wb. But this is sorta the same idea between eating tomatoes raw versus cooking it into marinara sauce. Cooking opens up the tomato cells so ones body can adsorb the nutrients. The oil used in making marinara sauce dissolves the lycopenes and other fun hydrophobic compounds, which also aid their absorption during digestion. By eating dried wb straight, you might absorb less nutrients from it, maybe. But that does not make doing so a dangerous act or even something "bad", it really becomes a personal preference. I mean, I'm certainly not going to give up eating tomatoes straight, whether in its dry or fresh forms. Sjschen 06:25, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

External links to images

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Thank you for contributing to Wikipedia! You recently added an external link to an external image in an article. It has been removed because the link pointed to a non-encyclopedic source.

Images on external sites can no longer be linked inline due to several reasons: inline linking to images on other sites is often considered "leeching" and is thus rude; allowing online image linking makes it easier for vandals to post images from shock sites; external images are often unreliable and may sometimes be removed by the webmasters.

Please refer to Wikipedia's policy on external links for more information.
--thadius856talk 06:23, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Links to external images should be avoided at almost all costs. Images which qualify as fair use should be uploaded to through Special:Upload. Any public domain or similar license images should be uploaded to the m:Commons. External links to pictures rob the owner of bandwidth which they pay for in their webhosting — they receive no pageload — and may be considered bandwidth theft. You can find more about this at WP:EL and WP:IMAGE or the template above.
However, note that the process is not fully automated. It's semi-automated, meaning that VP2 loads the page diff for me and I choose whether to mark it 'Not Vandalism', 'Skip', 'Rollback' or Rollback plus a warning. The {{test}} template which I chose was the least harshly worded readily available. Perhaps it wasn't 100% applicable, so I've replaced it with my own creation above, which you may or may not prefer. Thanks. thadius856talk 06:23, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Erhu players

I think it's better and more managable if the main erhu article include only historically important and major players, that's why I move the list of players to its own article. Of course this would leave out many players who are no doubt brilliant and virtuosic, after all hundreds of players graduate from Chinese converstories every year. LDHan 20:03, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank! Funnily enough I'm planning to add more on Sun Wenming. I've got enough material to eventually have a separate article for him, I've got a book and also an article about him (both in Chinese), and there's an article on Sun Wenming on Chinese wiki, but unfortunatly it'll take some work to translate it all as my Chinese is pretty basic. LDHan 18:47, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Image:Vladimir Tosic.jpg

Thanks for uploading Image:Vladimir Tosic.jpg. I notice the 'image' page specifies that the image is being used under fair use, but its use in Wikipedia articles fails our first fair use criterion in that it illustrates a subject for which a freely licensed image could reasonably be found or created. If you believe this image is not replaceable, please:

  1. Go to the image description page and edit it to add {{Replaceable fair use disputed}}, without deleting the original Replaceable fair use template.
  2. On the image discussion page, write the reason why this image is not replaceable at all.

Alternatively, you can also choose to replace the fair use image by finding a freely licensed image of its subject or by taking a picture of it yourself.

If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified how these images fully satisfy our fair use criteria. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on this link. Note that any fair use images which are replaceable by free-licensed alternatives will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. --Chowbok 03:01, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

keep adding my ip/signature

why do you keep adding my ip address to my latest comments at zhajiang mian? it doesn't really make sense to me - if someone really wants to see the source of a comment or edit, they can simply refer to the history page. --—Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

okay, in your reply you infer that it is "policy" or at least "customary" to sign all discussion commentary. not trying to discount you or attack you personally, but since this is the first time i have ever encountered such a claim, may i ask, if only out of genuine curiosity, where this policy is stated? --—Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

Yeagley merger

I deleted the "David Yeagley" article in favor of the "David A. Yeagley" one. No need for merger. EVula // talk // // 20:15, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

My Apologies

Apparently they're still working out the kinks in Vandalproof 2. My apologies. I've removed the warning, and I'll try to figure out how that happened. -- dhp1080 (u·t·c) 22:26, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

GFDL violations

Hi Badagnani,

Thanks for the frank comment at Talk:Double bass#Plagiarism/Copyright Issues?. Made my day! The Electric violin page you have contributed to is also ripped off by koopal (around the date of your early 2006 contributions, at a guess) at Pretty much all their pages are WP based, AFAICT (as far as I can tell), but maybe not all their photos. Photos are much easier to pin down, as there is a single copyright holder. The DB photo is mine, so I followed the DB one up (see discussion on DB talk). Later, I found form letters and recommended recipes via WP:MF, including how to do a DMCA take-down after several notices. You might want to follow this up for EV. I have also put a couple of notices around WP about some of koopal's other pages.

Cheers, Andrew Kepert 10:51, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

PS updated earlier message with links in response to your note. Sorry for being so oblique. Essentially, as it says on WP:MF, someone should follow up on the copyright violations in the sites, preferably one of the contributors (i.e. copyright holders) of each affected wikipedia page. I was suggesting you might be an appropriate person for the Electric Violin, given you contributed to the page around the time it was copied, and you expressed displeasure at the same mob ripping off the Double Bass site. My message was terse, as I had just spent an awful lot of time learning about this (e.g. what I did in response to the DB page was not quite the recommended approach, but not incompatible with it) and was out of time. Let me know if you would prefer someone else follow it up, and I will put a note on Talk:Electric violin. All the best, Andrew Kepert 04:39, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

re replacable fair use images

The ultimate goal is to have no fair use images on Wikipedia, or at any rate to have only fair use images for which free images cannot possibly be made - a person who is dead, for instance. The goal is that all images on Wikipedia be able to re-used by anyone for any reason whatsoever, including in material that disparages the subject, alteration of the image to make the subject appear ridiculous, inclusion of the image in pornography, or whatever. This is the overarching goal. I personally think that its a silly goal, but that doesn't matter. It is what the Foundation wants, and the Foundation hosts the Wikipedia servers and thus its desires get a lot of consideration. Wikipedia may be freely forked (copied) by anyone, and perhaps someday someone will make a version where fair use images are more welcome, but this encyclopedia is not it. The images which you are contesting could at least theoretically be replaced with free images, therefore I am deleting them. You may take these to deletion review if you like. Herostratus 18:24, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

  • I have restored the images for the time being. I'm putting together an RfC to get wider input on the matter. I'm pretty new to image work and I don't want to do the wrong thing - although I'm pretty sure I'm in the right. But I don't know for sure, so I think wider input would be useful for both of us and for the issue as a whole. Herostratus 05:00, 23 November 2006 (UTC)


Thanks for uploading Image:Aulochrome.jpg. I notice the 'image' page specifies that the image is being used under fair use, but its use in Wikipedia articles fails our first fair use criterion in that it illustrates a subject for which a freely licensed image could reasonably be found or created. If you believe this image is not replaceable, please:

  1. Go to the image description page and edit it to add {{Replaceable fair use disputed}}, without deleting the original Replaceable fair use template.
  2. On the image discussion page, write the reason why this image is not replaceable at all.

Alternatively, you can also choose to replace the fair use image by finding a freely licensed image of its subject or by taking a picture of it yourself.

If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified how these images fully satisfy our fair use criteria. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on this link. Note that any fair use images which are replaceable by free-licensed alternatives will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. ----RobthTalk 19:37, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Image:Kousmichoff tea.jpg

Arguments for retaining image

1. This is a promotional image and such a tag is clearly allowed on Wikipedia; 2. This form of repeated delete trolling is extremely damaging and harmful to Wikipedia and its educational purpose; 3. The company from whose website the image comes has not complained and most likely will not complain about this use of this photo; 4. There are other, more pressing issues facing Wikipedia at this moment; 5. Not every editor can afford a digital camera; 6. This editor needs to cease what appears to be a vendetta against another editor strictly for the purpose of trying to teach another editor "a lesson" that is not improving Wikipedia one iota, and create his/her own content, enriching, rather than depleting Wikipedia. Badagnani 19:13, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

1. This is not a promotional image in any sense I understand. It is taken from a catalog web site, and there is no indication that the copyright holder has released the image under any license, or distributed as a promotional image eligible for re-use.
2. This argument has nothing to do with the question of whether the image is allowable.
3. Whether or not the company will sue is immaterial to the enforcement of Wikipedia policy.
4. This argument has nothing to do with the question of whether the image is allowable.
5. Immaterial argument.
6. Immaterial argument.
Moreover, this is a product on the market, and it would therefore be easy for someone to obtain a tin and photograph it. I see no reason not to delete this image. I have accordingly deleted the image. -- Donald Albury 03:18, 23 November 2006 (UTC)


I have created the RfC at User talk:Herostratus/Image RfC. I've posted it on two places at Wikipedia:Requests for comment (under Policy and under Media, art and literature). Any publicity about the RfC anywhere else would be useful.

I pasted your comment on my talk page to the RfC, to establish the basis of your argument; you can edit it any way you want, of course.

FWIW, I am very dubious about the policy myself, for various reasons. I think the new fair use policy is awfully strict. But I'm just trying to do my job. Herostratus 05:13, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Dessicated pig

Thank's can't take the credit though. Too bad you don't eat meat, or else this is certainly a good buy. How do you edit wikip.? Do you use IRC, an outside app., or just the web browser interface? --User:Sjschen

Gotcha. Your responses are typically super fast, that's why. There are a few other methods, especially made for computer geeks. ;) Sjschen 06:49, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

LOL. Oh no! You've been fully assimilated! Sjschen 07:06, 23 November 2006 (UTC)]]

Naw, into the mechanical monstrosity called "Wikipedia" ;) Indeed, bravo to the developers of wikip. If you have ever lived or have been immersed in East Asian (political) society, you'll really begin to appreciate the US Constitution. There is less "saving face" and more things getting done. Not to mention more transperancy and less visible corruption. As a good analogy of what I read somewhere, if you can see a mouse, statistically there are 12 other you don't see :P Sjschen 07:17, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm bad

Hi, thanks, but I'm afraid I was actually the one who started the CfD. :-(

I noticed the cats after a bunch of Korean Lees and Yis on my watchlist were tagged with Category:Lĭ, which seemed a trifle inappropriate, and not entirely unlike filing a "Schmidt" under "Smith." Then I figured that *if* we were going to permit categories like this -- and these are the only such categories I'm aware of -- we need to have a central discussion about it. So I started the CfD, which I'm beginning to regret, as -- at least before your contributions -- the discussion has been less than elevated. I share your distress at the tendency of CfD (and all XfD) voters to pile on "delete" votes without a great deal of thought, so I thank you very much for helping to bring some thought to the discussion.

I've added some more comments to explain my reasoning, which is somewhat different than that of most of the delete voters; I would be grateful for feedback. Perhaps there's something which distinguishes the Chinese situation from the Korean? For example, were genealogical ties lost during the Cultural Revolution, leading to solidarity by surname rather than lineage? I'm afraid I'm rather ignorant on these matters... Cheers, -- Visviva 07:11, 23 November 2006 (UTC)


Thanks for the input! Yeah, I took about four photos of the guy, and it was a tough choice between the one I put up and the one I used in the reference desk (the two best, in my opinion). I thought the one I put up showed the instrument itself a bit better, even if it's not the greatest shot of the guy playing it.

And yes, next time I'm in Pitt Street and I see him, I'll try and find out who he is. Again, thanks for the comments. —DO'Neil 09:46, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

University shootings

I am assuming 'University Shootings' will be voted down and am preparing for that by adding the cat I did. I also know that 'school' is a generic term for all kinds of educational institutions I also see that all 'shootings' are not being included (and properly so), just 'killings' Thanks Hmains 21:47, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

I vote as I see things and that is it. Hmains 22:05, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Vietnamese wines and liquors

I'm even less knowledgeable about this topic than you. Perhaps I can help you with the correct Vietnamese spelling of certain words, but that's about it. DHN 06:59, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

My mom makes cơm rượu all the time. If I remember correctly, she would just get some cooked rice, then put some yeast on it (something in a ball that she gets from the store, I'm not sure if it's yeast). After leaving it to ferment for a week, we'd have cơm rượu, which is kind of sweet and a little bit sour...I don't think it contains much alcohol though, although that's probably the closest thing to alcohol I've ever consumed. I live in OC, but I can also ask the people in the Vietnamese Wikipedia for help. For Tết last year, a member at had some pictures you can look at: vi:Hình:Rượu nếp cẩm1.JPG and vi:Hình:Rượu nếp cẩm2.JPG, it's close to cơm rượu but it's not made from cơm but nếp (sweet rice) and food coloring. If I understand it correctly, rượu doesn't necessarily mean "rice wine", since wine made from grapes are called "rượu vang". Let me know which words you need the proper diacritics for. DHN 11:23, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Purple Heart barnstar

For being wounded in the line of duty, this purple barnstar is awarded to Badagnani by Herostratus 17:55, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

It does suck. Don't feel that your work is disappreciated, please. Nor that I don't understand your position - see User talk:Herostratus/Image RfC#General rant Herostratus 21:39, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Please comment... Talk:Min Nan. Thanks. —  AjaxSmack  07:52, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

...Min Nan does seem to be a widely used spelling and I wonder why the article was created with this name in the first place. We don't always use the pinyin if there is a better known or more widely used English spelling... Badagnani 07:59, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
One problem with naming the Minnan article is that the language has three names in the three major areas it is spoken. It is "Taiwanese" in Taiwan (which is considered a dialect of Minnan by Wikipedia listed under Taiwanese (linguistics)), "Hokkien" in Southeast Asia (a good generic "English" name and probably the most widely used but it is ambiguous since Hokkien is Minnan for "Fujian" and could imply inclusion of Minbei, -dong, etc., or that all speakers are from orginally from Fujian), and "Minnan." Another issue complicating things is that, to linguists, Hainanese and Teochew are considered Minnan but are speakers do not self-identify themselves as such. I guess Minnan was chosen because the bureaucrats in China and Taiwan both like it and it is relatively inoffensive across the political spectrum. —  AjaxSmack  08:21, 26 November 2006 (UTC)


Thank you for your arguments regarding "fair use" images. I recently had two promophotos tagged by user Chowbok and then they were subsequently deleted. Both images were obtained from freely available press kits and I supplied my argument for retaining them because of this, but it was to no avail. I appreciate your efforts to try to limit this "trolling". --OneCyclone 19:19, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Hawaii etymology

Do you have a citation for your recent etymology edit on the Hawaii article? Thanks! --JereKrischel 20:21, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

User:Agent X has a doctorate in Hawaiian language, I'll ask him to validate your finds. In any case, if you found the citation somewhere on the web, it would be helpful to put a reference there, using "ref" tags. If you need help figuring out how to use ref tags, please let me know and I'll give you some examples. --JereKrischel 03:19, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Paulet affair

Your help and comments on the new section in the Hawaiian Kingdom article are humbly requested. I'd also like some help with a better description of the Provisional Government folk. --JereKrischel 05:09, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I've tried out a few edits to the Hawaiian Kingdom article, being more verbose in the description of the people involved in the overthrow, hopefully you can add some perspective to the mix to see if it all fits. I greatly appreciate your help with all the articles, and hope I'm not being too abrasive when we disagree. Unfortunately, there is a fairly steady stream of POV vandalism regarding pro-sovereignty positions in all the articles related to Hawaii, and I've grown a bit thin-skinned. Your patience with me is humbly requested! --JereKrischel 05:49, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Hey Badagnani, I just wanted to thank you for inspiring me to improve more of the Hawaiian history articles. The issue regarding what terminology to use for the people who overthrew Liliuokalani has been particularly in want of improvement, and I think with some time I'll be able to build fairly decent stubs of the political parties of the Hawaiian Kingdom at the time, and use the proper "Reform Party" terminology. Most of my references come from Ernest Andrade, but I should be able to find other references in both the Blount Report, Morgan Report, Liliuokalani's book, and other online sources. I'll try to make a dent in the creation of the new articles soon, and your attention to them, and the other Hawaii articles is greatly appreciated. Thanks! --13:29, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Re : Bad Eagle

I've restored it as a contested prod. - Cheers, Mailer Diablo 20:12, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

yangshen tang

Is it yang shen1 (nurse body), yang shen4 (nurse kidneys), yang sheng (nurse health), yang shang (nurse wounds)? Knowing the sometimes bad romanization of the TCM "packs" it can be any of this (or none of them) Sjschen 21:00, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm also guessing yang is yang3 not yang2. That is harder find and maybe actually be even more confusing. Sjschen 21:02, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

There are about 460 Google hits for "養身湯", I guess that would be the "nurse body" variant. Wikipeditor 06:33, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[1] The image there just says "real astragalus". Maybe the right name is "養身湯" after all Sjschen 14:26, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm also willing to bet that there are at least several different recipes for the same named soups. These are all technically yangsheng tang. [This one] too. Sjschen 14:45, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw the mess going on Wolfberry and decided that you guys are doing a such good job that I best keep out. Besides, I didn't even know the issue existed. It's funny how the translation or cultural barriers really screw up the facts behind "novel things". I have been finding these things way too much in the teas including Orange pekoe and Gunpowder tea. No doubt that some people use this to their advantage. You might be interested to know that Maple syrup is often marketed in Asia in similar ways.

You know, cuz it's a panacea that lifts qi, invigorates the spleen, cures cancer, and makes genius of your kids. ;) --Sjschen 22:47, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I thought that yangsheng tang would be a specific type of med. soup but looking around, it really is more a class of "Med. Asian soups" that are taken for health. I think you would be hard to find one kind of finished soup or one type of herbal mix. If I remember correctly, substitutions and additions are quite common, especially for "less important" ingredients. I'm going to throw some of this info into the asian soup page.Sjschen 00:30, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I looked around the net and asked a few herbalists. The herbalist either don't know it or those who know eithr give different recipes or ask "what type?" I'm not sure if a list those ingredients will help unless it is complete. This mainly because the first three items that you listed there are often considered "tonifiers" or you-won't-get-hurt-if-you-eat-it-but-its-good-for-you things. In fact a friend of mine uses these ingredients quite commonly in day to day cooking. Dang gui is more potent but it is also often used in cooking as a spice in things such as Bak kut teh --Sjschen 01:15, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

All that said... I'll keep my eyes open Sjschen


Thanks for jumping in. You may also be able to contribute at Image talk:Samantha Morton.jpg, which appears to hinge on the same issue. Postdlf 00:53, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

FYI, and thanks for your comment

The page history shows exactly that, and there is now an Rfc, not begun by me, on same. Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Abu badali

Photos of sculptures

Thank you for your help. According to polish copyright laws there would be no problem at all, if the sculpture is shown in a public place. However the photos were taken at the museum and so I need their agreement for publishing photos. I've contacted the museum already and soon I shall have their answer. Regards. Jakubhal 10:12, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Conan appearance?

Hey thanks for your editing! Nice work. Yes that's video of the Conan appearance. It's posted on Joe Jackson's website. Great stuff - check it out! Cebo22 04:40, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

You earned this

The Sandwich of Exceptional Excellence Specially made with a meat-free Tofu substitute (Potato Salad of Congeniality cluster, 1st. class) In Panis, Veritas.
Awarded to Badagnani for your exceptional contributions to David Blanasi, a new article desperately in need of help. Thanks! Doc Tropics 21:29, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Really B, thanks so much for your efforts on this new page. I got it started, but wasn't sure where to go. You filled it out with some useful content, corrected my many um,...oversights, and polished it nicely. Ya gotta love teamwork : ) Doc Tropics 05:24, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I adjusted your sandwich so you can enjoy it freely. I added a bit to Adam Plack to show good-faith, and I'll do more when my brain hasn't been so overtaxed in one day. At this time of night, I can't handle anything more complicated than some RC Patrol. This has been a lot of fun, and I'm sure there's more to come. Doc Tropics 06:03, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


Couldn't find any other info; sorry --FeanorStar7 11:01, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Block log


I have been warned by another administrator (User:Khoikhoi) for posting this comment. User:Irpen has also posted a notice on Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Personal_attacks.2C_harrassment.2C_baiting_and_pestering_by_user:Oden. As you are one of the users mentioned in my comment I would value your input into this matter.

Your input in the matter would be noted with interest.

Sincerely, --Oden 12:43, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Vernacular scripts

just incase you are interested in the discussion. No one else is really giving input.--D-Boy 03:19, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Replaceability guidelines

Per your "Agree" vote at Wikipedia talk:Images of living people I think you'll find my proposed replaceability guidelines worth a look. Daniel Case 06:29, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Ralph H. Farris to comma or not to comma...

To be honest, I have no idea! Thanks for your help... there's more coming later.Cebo22 04:57, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Many teas

The teas at the site are rather pricy, however, the site is pretty reputable and the service is pretty fast. The vendor also knows his stuff and very knowledgable. Since fakes and low quality pu-erh teas, and teas in general, abound, it is not a bad thing to pay a slightly higher premium for decent quality stuff. I think I'll begin assembling a section in pu-erh about its collection and prospecting, both of it are highly interesting, if not fanatical.

You might also want to try this and this, which are both pretty good, if not somewhat pricy. Sjschen 02:08, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

The other two teas you inquired looks like different varieties of Oolong. Sjschen 02:09, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Note of caution. Getting into "good" teas is like getting into "good" audio equipment, you can lose you head in the process and yes, it is very very expensive :) Sjschen 02:11, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

There is currently a big craze over pu-erh tea that has been building up over the past decade and does not seem to be over yet. China has found a luxery item in one of it's lesser developed provinces that it can sell and export for a good deal of dough. It's not surprising that they are promoting it to everybody and ramping it up in their own population regarding it's reportedly good attributes. The tea has pretty much dominated the scene in the maliendao, the world's largest public tea market, with it holding a high place in the tea world when just a few years back it was considered a "low class" tea. It's funny how such things go. Prospectors and collectors are popping up everwhere wishing to "get into" the tea and perhaps make some money off its rocketing costs. Rediculous prices are being listed for teas, whether it is worth it's price or not, and quality is dropping for some manufacturers. "Fakes" for highly valued teas and brands are appearing everywhere, and since many are new to the tea, not many people can tell the real from the fakes, and as such the situation becomes even more mixed up. In short, it's a mess.

This tea tool is bascially something like an oyster knife, which is a dull, short, double edged dagger for prying open a brick or cake of tea. Will add it later Sjschen 14:00, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Gunpowder mess

Gunpowder "shap"ed green tea is made in Taiwan too but I don't think anyone calls it gunpowder tea or zhucha. I guess the issue is whether gunpowder tea can be limited to being:

  1. Rolled pellet form green tea from Zhejiang
  2. Rolled pellet form green tea from anywhere
  3. Rolled pellet form teas from anywhere

I think I should put down that gunpowder tea is sometimes just used to describe the shape/form but the above issue needs to first be resolved. Sjschen 21:59, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

We're gonna have a problem here..

I have no idea who would know more about this. I'm also not sure Zhejiang zhucha is uppity enough to have experts, perhaps someone from CNNP (中茶) in charge of Zhejiang stuff? I walked around Chinatown and found that all the Gunpowder teas have very similar packaging and all state that they are from Zhejiang. Other than ToH, there is also Camel brand (or Camel breath brand) and this other one that trys to copy ToH's layout whose brand I can't quite remember. Sjschen 22:20, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah I saw the first 3 sites, but I thought they were a bit shaky. I think the first one is what was used to "write" the varieties section. The second confirms that it's a rolled green tea, this can be used to substantiate the name gunpowder as being from the explosive stuff, it is still a bit shaky. The third one tells of the definition. that it's a green tea grown in various places. Together it seems to say that it's a rolled green tea from various places. But [2] it's a black tea. I like [3] and [4] they are the best we have so far. Sjschen 22:46, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

This is just too good. Sjschen 22:58, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Removal of Chinese surname categories

Hello Badagnani, Sorry for hurrying up in removing categories of chinese surnames from the article. It would be appericiable if you could do list all these articles accordingly and remove categories from the page. Regards, Shyam (T/C) 11:12, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I had gone through the discussion very well and there are strong arguments given to delete this. I had also gone through the comments given by you. But the categories are not suitable as English Wikipedia standards. The list would be more suitable for these case. These categories seem to be more trivial which does not fit to encyclopedia. So I think there is nothing absurd in my decision. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shyam Bihari (talkcontribs) 11:26, 10 December 2006 (UTC).

Muira puama

Hi Badagnani - thanks for the note; I've added a taxobox, and also deleted the 95% of the article that was copyvio pasted in by an anon editor :-) MPF 11:44, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Rolling tea

The big red round bags contain the tea being (machine) rolled [5] Sjschen 10:21, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Fanciful folk etymology? Oh yes, very very likely. But possible still though...perhaps editing it for emphasis will be a better? Or maybe just deleting?

The bags are filled up and tightly packaged. They are then rolled around in a circle in cycles of 5, 10, and 20 minutes. After a while, the bags are opened, repackaged and rerolled, up to three times. They are then roasted a bit more and rerolled 3 times. No idea about the shiny. Do your leaves have a small long stem are are they just leaves? Sjschen 01:43, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

I think that's how they should look. Is it good? maybe I go get some myself. Never seen it. Sjschen 14:34, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Why did you delete my comment?

I am trying to wrap my head around this. I'm open to explanation, please let me know. --Bobak 20:16, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Great, no problem -- I figured it was something like that. All the best. --Bobak 22:40, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Archived talk

No idea about pork rib tea, but I find it very different form pho due to dang gui. Then again, the cuisine in the region is a bit mixed so, maybe?

Should I archive my talk page? Sjschen 01:31, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Done. I think the soup base thing you mentioned will never really be known, though I do agree that there are a lot of similarities. It may turn out that the two broths might have a "common ancestor." Who knows! Sjschen 01:46, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


Don't know if you are aware, but User:Deilem, who recently edited Chinese people, has been blocked indefinitely for being a sock of User:Snle. It is possible that User:Ated may be a sock. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 17:47, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Also User:ENILE. See this edit to Han Chinese (same old "Chinese does not mean Han" crap). Also I suspect the anon who replaced the photo on Ethnic minorities in China is related ... see this edit by the same IP, or this one by a similar IP (probably the same guy). cab 22:21, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Chinese people

Since the talk page is blocked for no reasons, I'll write here. The message you left is just POV. I agree with you that some people in the West don't consider Uighur as ethnic Chinese. But others do, because Uighur people live in China for centuries and most of them live within China. Even those who don't consider Uighurs as ethnic Chinese, they generally consider other Chinese ethnic groups that ain't that different from Han Chinese as ethnic Chinese. My wording "People of Chinese descent" doesn't say Uighur is ethnic Chinese either. Ated 21:12, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Chowbok

Luke is right. The vehemence in the defense of the deletion, and the utter failure to even consider valid fair use claims by the half-dozen most active deleters, to me indicates that there is a plan to eventually convert our content to a commercial venture of some sort, with only a few "in the know" about this. There seems to be no other explanation for this ironclad and somewhat hysterical enforcement of these editors' interpretation of policy. I've been following the discussions and while the justification for some of the very rare images has often been very good, I've again and again seen arguments dismissed (or not responded to at all) and images summarily deleted

The commercial venture seems plausible to me.You downgrade the free one,as a downgraded free trial,and then you sell the real thing with images.And that's why jimmy is a so good suporter,how much did he spend from his pocket for the all project so far,is it realy a donation?What do you think?Don't you think you should do something about your conserns?--Bootstrapping 16:34, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Yoritsune Matsudaira deathdate discrepancy

Badagnani, thanks so much for helping out with the composers. We were working on it simultaneously just now -- I went to add John Luther Adams' birthdate, and saw that it mysteriously had appeared...

About Matsudaira, it's unfortunate that there's a discrepancy. Here's a Japanese obituary that lists the date as October 25. Usually, I trust the Grove over everything else, but it pays to be sure! Obituary for Yoritsune Matsudaira (pdf) (view as HTML) Middlepedal 06:42, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: Yeagley article

Ahh, I just barely remember that one (you don't even want to know how many reverts I make daily, really). Since the only edits from IPs, in the past week or more, seem to be this single persistent individual/bunch of POV-pushers, I've gone ahead and sprotected the page, for the time being. Hopefully this will at least encourage them to use the talk page, if they have any legitimate points to bring up. We'll see, eh? Luna Santin 08:50, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Fair Use rewrite

Can you point me to the page you mentioned? Thanks. Tvccs 14:26, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry if that re-write was misinterpreted! It was in NO WAY meant to indicate any change in my beliefs or philosophy concerning fair use on Wikipedia. I was simply trying slim down and clarify the existing policy, which was so over-written and confusing (and, frankly, more threatening and intimidating) than it needed to be. I think my edits reflect the removal of unneeded words, and the re-phrasing of sentences that were poorly constructed, at best. It was NOT meant to endorse the policy as it stands -- but if we're going to change this policy, it's going to be easier to remove all the caveats, "could be's" and "what ifs" that have sprung up along the way. Jenolen speak it! 18:23, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

First off, I have no issue with your "reasonable" request. :) But other changes keep getting reverted... for example, we're now back a "general blanket" in the second sentence; these are the little things I keep trying to improve. "General" and "blanket" mean the same thing -- one of them has to go! So if you want put back in a "reasonable" - I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU! But try to avoid nuking all of my edits in the process. ;) Jenolen speak it! 19:12, 19 December 2006 (UTC)


Hi, and thanks for your great contribution to the article on Daniel Pinkham. Just a quick comment about your edit summaries - you marked as "minor" an edit which IMO was quite large- that is, the reorganization of the article and addition of new section headings and the like. "Minor" is usually reserved for things like adding commas and fixing typos. Thanks!-Dmz5 07:48, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

(Didn't mean to make that sound like I am treating you like a new user. You of course know what "minor" means. I am just a bit sensitive to use of edit summaries, as they are so often abused!)--Dmz5 07:49, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi again, I really do wish you would not accuse me of editing in bad faith on this article mad not try to carry on a content dispute through the edit summaries, I have made my peace on the talk page and I don't yet find your arguments in favor of reverting to be compelling.--Dmz5 16:09, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Also please note that we are both skirting on the edge of WP:3RR.--Dmz5 16:10, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Fry cow river

Alas, the dish will be missed. Along with pock-faced grandma's tofu and cloud swallows ;) Sjschen 13:57, 21 December 2006 (UTC)


Ethnoliguistic map is not a distribution map. The distribution of Han Chinese is not limited to the brown colored region. Do you have any further disagreements? Otherwise I'll have the picture deleted. NIEMO 22:19, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Go vote - NOW

You commented earlier, so now please go vote on the matter at Wikipedia:Elimination of Fair Use Rationale in Promotional Photos/Vote. CyberAnth 19:46, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't knwo which side you want me to vote for. I am a very strong beleiver that fair use images of living people should be permitted but the rationale altered to encourage a replaceable image to be restored immeditely if found. I have added fair use images of many living people where it is not always likely a free image will become available but certain wikilawyers delete them even though a fair use rationale is give. Taking away the photo seriuosly affects the qulaity of the article and takes away a valuable info resource. I suggest that the tagging is changed to this image must be deleted immeditely when a free image becomes available. THis way the article will always have the resource. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 20:20, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

I sent this message. Do you agree?

I am a very strong beleiver that fair use images of living people should be permitted but the rationale altered to encourage a replaceable image to be restored immeditely if found. I have added fair use images of many living people where it is not always likely a free image will become available and it really is a very important part of the article to physically identify the subject particularly when it is an image for such media coverage anyway- but certain wikilawyers delete them even though a fair use rationale is give. Taking away the photo seriuosly affects the qulaity of the article and takes away a valuable info resource. While I do also agree with the concept of freeness, I do also take the quality of wikipedia as an encyclopedia very seriously and anything whiches compromises the qulaity of knowledge I disagree with. I suggest that the tagging is changed to this image must be deleted immeditely when a free image becomes available. THis way the article will always have the resource but will encourage a replaceable image to be found. As wikipedia grows I hope there will be a branch which specializes in the search for free images for use on wikipedia. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 20:20, 23 December 2006 (UTC)


Hi, in old Catalan orthography -ch sounds like -k, in modern orthography would be -c. This ending is usual in surnames and it keeps like that. Sorry, I've not logged in. I'm Pepetps from Catalan Wikipedia. -- 22:04, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

J.S. Bach non-free sound clips.

I'm afraid that I've taken our discussion on Wikipedia_talk:Fair_use about as far as it can productively go. I know that you are insisting that the content be undeleted, but because of the legal threats which Tony1 already received, I doubt any admin is going to put themselves in the line of fire by undeleting the works at this time. If you'd really like to try to argue why these works should be permitted under Wikipedia's polices and goals, then you should respond on one of the image pages or on Talk:Johann Sebastian Bach. Your argument should be based on Wikipedia's policies and the fundamental goals of Wikipedia as a Free content encyclopedia since these are generally somewhat harder to satisfy than copyright law. Beyond that all I can tell you to do is pound sand. I'm a contributor here too, and also I want to see you continuing to contribute.. but your attacks on me personally are beginning to wear me out. --Gmaxwell 04:31, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

No attacks on you intended (of course!), but many editors, myself included, have had about as much of this "tag without discussion, admin deletes, then sorry that happened, you can discuss some more now but the files are not being restored" as we can take. You said so yourself (your comment "...the question is moot"). Many of us have been endlessly patient and polite but if no responsibility is taken for these actions (tagging without discussion, then often deletion within the mandated 7 days), we appear to be a lawless place, and one dismissive and discourteous to long-time, knowledgeable and productive contributors that in many cases spent a great deal of time selecting and uploading those files. Badagnani 04:38, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
Again, there was discussion prior to deletion. You speak of a lawless place, but it is true lawlessness when we ignore our fundamental mission of free content and our obligations under copyright law. I've invited you over and over again to explain why these works are permissible, but you seem far more interested in calling for my head. On the J. S. Bach talk page there are messages from multiple users who explain why we can not use these samples. Why don't you go read them and respond. As far as time goes, I invite you to look at my numerous free contributions [6], which include a number of audio recordings (including a little Bach snippet someplace). I understand the investment of time that goes into the work we present to the world, but thats why I care about the freeness of that work. The world already has several good non-free encyclopedias, and they are already available to most at no cost.
When you have found the time to respond to Makemi and Mindspillage, as well as the points I made on the image_talk pages for the audio, we can discuss things further. Until then, happy editing.--Gmaxwell 04:55, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Please stop quoting me out of context.

This discussion is regarding this diff and Badagnani's revert.

You have no right to copy my text out of context. I have changed nothing that you wrote. You are in effect changing what I wrote by copying it out of context. Why are you doing this? Why do you hope to accomplish beyond upsetting me and causing confusion? --Gmaxwell 05:18, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I did read all relevant and linking commentary to that quote and find that the quote speaks for itself. It was not taken out of context and says what it says: the media is gone so the question is moot; that makes Wikipedia better. Of course, you're free to comment on or present your own interpretation of your quote, but to me the meaning is very clear. Badagnani 05:22, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
That is not what I said. I was pestering Tony1 to make it clear to me that he was actually claiming that no free replacement could exist for those files, as he wrote on the media pages. I asked him twice without answer, and after the files were deleted I came back to tell him not to bother answering. This is clear in the difflink that I was replying to my own comment, which was even indicated in my edit summary. If indeed my comment speaks for itself, why do then insist on your preferred out-of-context rendition of it rather than the link I provided? I think you are being horribly mean about this and I really wish you would stop. --Gmaxwell 05:26, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Free content

Greetings. I've noticed you talking about Wikimedia's motives for minimizing use of non-free content. Have you seen the financial statement? No one here is getting wealthy from this. I don't know what your motivation is to continue airing those theories, but I would like at least to know you've seen all the information available to you before airing them.

We all want to create the best resource possible within the restrictions of our mission. However, the mission is defined as being to promote the development of free content. Putting up a reference work available free of charge is no big deal. Plenty of reference works are available that way; even Britannica has up an abridged version free of charge for anyone to view. For Wikipedia to be simply another, more inconsistently-edited version of that is no great innovation. What is an innovation is the idea that people will wish to makes this free as in speech— and "free" means any purpose, not just noncommercial use.

I think we can all agree that it would be great to have the highest-quality media possible. But if the sort of media available commercially were easily available for any use, we wouldn't need to exist. You can't take an unfree photograph and use it for whatever you want, say, to put on your CD cover, or to crop and filter and use in a collage. You can't take unfree media and use it on your website without permission, or make more than a trivial sample part of your own musical work. There's a reason it's not done more often: licensing fees are prohibitively expensive, and rights are difficult to get. We want to provide content that is easy to reuse... which, as it happens, means there will be none of the exorbitant licensing fees that make the record companies so wealthy.

Some of us believe that ensuring that there is new content being created and distributed, that isn't locked up by corporate interests, is an important goal. Allowing uses that are very dubiously legal for us, if at all, and not legal for downstream users, discourages people from creating new free content to replace it. (The uses that are clearly fair, where no substitute is even possible, aren't in dispute.) And that's harmful to us, in the long term. The project is barely six years old, and there are over a million files of free media uploaded to Commons already; this for a project that was barely known for the first few years. You may not find media you want for an article in the next few months. But what about over the next several years, now that Wikipedia is a household name? This is very much a project for the long term.

From the FAQ on the Foundation website: "The mission of the Wikimedia Foundation is to empower and engage people around the world to collect and develop educational content under a free license or in the public domain, and to disseminate it effectively and globally." That's our motivation, the one we are bound to abide by, and the one our media policies are meant to further. Kat Walsh (spill your mind?) 21:21, 25 December 2006 (UTC)


Your comments on the straw poll page under Jimbo Wales after he blanked were reverted by Abu etc. You may, or may not, wish to revert. I know you're a member of this page as well, but I found the Resources section to be very interesting in terms of defining history Wikipedia:Fair_Use/Publicity_Photo_Advocacy. I also located this simple page earlier today which I also find interesting [7] in describing Wikipedia's heirarchy and governing structure. I also find the accounting statment linked above to be very interesting, especially when modified with the current donation drive. I also suggest you read the Jimmy Wales pages for additional history. And I want to compliment you on your efforts here, especially as of late. Tvccs 17:52, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Kent State Photo Rename

I see that you've been deeply involved in discussions about Kent State. Can we get you to weigh in on the photo renaming discussion? If you think that the edit is too minor, feel free to decline.--Knulclunk 16:02, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

new project, Wikipedia:Requested recordings

Hey Badagnani, I thought you might be interested in a new project I'm trying to get started up, Wikipedia:Requested recordings. The idea is to try to get more high quality free music content on Wikipedia. There are a bunch of talented musicians who edit WP, but for certain pieces you need to get a group together, and sometimes you just need to get information to the right people that a recording is needed. I hope you check it out, and let other people know about it if you think it's worthwhile :) Cheers, Mak (talk) 21:16, 30 December 2006 (UTC)


Thank you for everything you did during Winhunter's block of me. But the block really trouble me at the request for adminship. :( Yao Ziyuan 00:58, 5 January 2007 (UTC)


Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Controlled demolition hypothesis for the collapse of the World Trade Center (3rd). Best wishes, Travb (talk) 23:47, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Kent State Shootings Article

I've made some more edits to KS after removing the NPOV tag. Tvoz and myself have worked pretty hard to dePOV the article. In any case, they're pretty minor to me, but please check them over and let me know if you disagree with any of them. Equinox137 09:39, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about that

I thought I was editing the current version of the article but apparently I wasn't. :-( A Ramachandran 21:18, 6 January 2007 (UTC)


Project Logo Hello, Badagnani/Archive 5 and thank you for your contributions on articles related to A Series of Unfortunate Events. I'd like to invite you to become a part of WikiProject A Series of Unfortunate Events, a WikiProject aiming to improve coverage of A Series of Unfortunate Events and related articles on Wikipedia.

If you would like to help out and participate, please visit the project page for more information. Thanks! <3Clamster 01:28, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Loma IPA

I'm not sure what your disagreement is with the IPA symbols in the Loma article. I can assure you that they are correct. In the external source that you cite (which happens to be my own doctoral dissertation), I used umlauts in place of the open o symbol as a convenience. This orthographic convention is described on the first page of the dissertation. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) 19:01, 15 January 2007 (UTC).

Buddha's delight

炸 is zhá when it means "fry" and zhà when it means "explode".

I'm googling 白菌 and I'm not getting coherent results. Do you have a context where it appears? -- ran (talk) 23:29, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I still can't figure out what 白菌 might be... it appears to be a rather generic name for many times of fungus. Perhaps you can try the China-related notice board. -- ran (talk) 18:33, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Haha, sorry about the numerology thing ;) I think Jook tseng is pretty much zhusheng 竹笙, some picts for comparison [8][9]. Though they do smell bad when fresh, when de-headed, washed, and dried, D. indusiatus stalks and "baskets" should not have any taste or smell. They do have a nice "cruchy" texture that's quite interesting. They are quite popular all over china and in most chinese communities and can be purchased at TCM herbalists. They are often used in high class Taiwanese or HK cuisine. Sjschen 05:31, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh, you mean THAT stink. No, that's the "aroma"... When you pair it with a stronger smell, then all of a sudden everything will work out. For veg. people Shitake and soy based sauces are the best. Bamboo tips are really the bamboo shoots of a different species of bamboo, not sure which species though. Will look at the chinese article. Sjschen 05:50, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

3 mush. 6ears = "香菇(shitake)、蘑菇 (Agaricus spp.?)、草菇(Straw mushroom) 等三菇;六耳是石耳(Rock tripe)、黄耳(Tremella frondosa)、桂花耳、白背耳(毛木耳)(Cloud ear fungus)、银耳(Snow fungus)、榆耳等(Gloeostereum incarnatum)" [10] [11] and you've alread covered most of them :) No idea about the significance of the numbers, but I find in general the more stuff in a veg. stew the better it tastes. Maybe that's the underlaying concept? Very interesting Chinese article, can glean quite a bit of stuff from there.

No spectrographic analysis done in the "traditional" sense, unless you see aromas being sensed as "vibrations" by the nose :) My nose tells me that this smell comes from Dimethyl_sulphide and a few of it's "siblings" Sjschen 06:21, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

For the bleaching agent I would guess Hydrogen peroxide Sjschen 06:36, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

POM Wonderful vandalism

Hey -- I blocked User:Garymerk for his repeated infractions, but what you were describing on WP:AIV might be better as a request for semi-protection at WP:RFP. Mangojuicetalk 20:28, 18 January 2007 (UTC)


Just dropped by to see who I was discoursin' with. I'm from down in Lawrence County myself, on the river. Always good to run into another Ohioan!

(Btw, I did two years of "Mandarin" at OSU before starting Japanese. Haven't kept up with it over the years like I should have, other than doing a few Chinese/English language exchanges with natives I've met over here, but it's kinda fun sometimes to pull something out of the hat and shock my Chinese students!) --RJCraig 04:47, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Ah...I guess that was a bit ambiguous, eh! I meant "中国人的学生"...mostly in my grad English conversation class. 哎呀!你说什么话?我不懂。我什么都不懂!...That sort of thing. I've found it also helps to focus the Japanese undergrads if you walk into a classroom and say 现在我们开始学习中文!;)
Btw, are you familiar with any of Bernhard Karlgren's work on reconstructing ancient Chinese? --RJCraig 05:29, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
LOL. Don't worry about adding the links; I don't mind at all. It's funny, but it never even occurred to me to link them! Guess I really should go through the page and see what else could use it.
Ume anecdote: The first year I was over here, one of my professors and his wife showed me how to make different varieties of umeshu using "white liquor", whiskey, and other spirits. I thought it might be something I'd like to continue after returning home, so we mail-ordered a tree and planted it in the yard back home. Did OK until it split in half during a windstorm about ten years ago; it lingered for a year or two and finally died. I hope to try again some day... --RJCraig 09:48, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Tireless Contributor Barnstar Award

Tireless Contributor Barnstar.gif Tireless Contributor Barnstar Award
I Hpfan9374, hereby award you with the Tireless Contributor Barnstar Award, for contributing an especially large body of work without sacrificing quality. Hpfan9374 08:45, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

The World's Larget Encylopedia!

With correspondence to your comment, it is exciting, I feel like we're making internet history, I'm glad to be a part of it. Hpfan9374 08:50, 20 January 2007 (UTC)


Yeah, I actually just picked the map off of this site :

I'm apart of the Mississippi Wiki project and have been working to tag and map Mississippi related things.


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"Sweet Noodle Sauce"

Hi, from a google search:

[12] <-- Peking duck as served; The dark stuff in the bowl on the upper left is TIanmianjiang.

[13] <-- another duck picture.

A clearer picture of the sauce as served:


This is tianmianjiang in packaging:


[16] the one on the left.

Apparently (according to some of the above websites) people in Northern China sometimes just eat shallots dipped in Tianmianjiang as a dish/meal. --Sumple (Talk) 23:35, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

You are right, Jajang or its Chinese equivalent ("Zhajiang" in Chinese, sounds the same) is usually made from Tianmianjiang. "Zhajiang" in Chinese means fried sauce, the sauce bit usually referring to Tianmianjiang and the "fried" refers to stir-frying.
I'm pretty sure Hoisin Sauce and Tianmianjiang are different things, becuase Lee Kum Kee makes both. According to Hoisin Sauce it is made from soybeans. The bottle in my fridge lists soy beans first, but also wheat flour.
[17] this pic shows the Lee Kum Kee Tianmianjiang, which it calls "Tien Mien Djang". Contrast Lee Kum Kee this pic.
From my experience the two taste different - Hoisin Sauce is more savoury but weaker in flavour. --Sumple (Talk) 02:14, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Re: Tong sui

Unfortunately, I don't really have any "expertise" with Chinese cuisine, I just happen to know the names of the things I have eaten. But I'll try to help out anyway I can. As for 沙, it is a Cantonese variant of the name. (Though 沙 is mostly served cold while 湯 is mostly served hot, I think.) _dk 23:49, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Alright, I'll get to it. But I won't add the one for red bean soup because 紅豆沙 is more often associated with the cold beverage instead of the tong sui. _dk 03:55, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Actually, forget what I just said, I got it mixed up with something else. Sorry. _dk 03:59, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Foods & fruits


Sorry for the delay. I've been a bit inactive lately -- and probably will be for at least another week.

I see you figured out the danmuji situation. Interestingly, that seems to be generally regarded as a Japanese, rather than a Korean, form of pickled radish -- which seems about right, it's never really tasted like kimchi to me. Guess we should have an article on jjanji (summer radish kimchi), someday.

귤나무 is the correct name for the tree [18] ... the fruits are commonly called 귤 [19] , or 감귤, or 제주감귤, though these names can sometimes refer to all sweet citrus fruits [20] [21]. In practice, I think, gamgyul is fairly unambiguous.

I'm not really sure about jajang (sauce). I had always thought it was the same sauce as is used in standard bokkeumbap, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Shows what I know. :-) If the sauce is only used in jajangmyeon, it can probably be covered adequately in the jajangmyeon article.

I'm really not sure about the hanja in seolleongtang. They seem to be used almost exclusively in Japanese and Chinese websites, and to turn up in Korean sources only when the etymology is being discussed. Given that, and given that they don't actually pertain to the modern spelling of the word, perhaps they should be restricted to the Etymology section?

Glad you're keeping an eye on things. Cheers, -- Visviva 05:33, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Yep, I think it is. -- ran (talk) 21:27, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

It's just super grassy grass script ... -- ran (talk) 21:35, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
It's かじつ (kajitsu). -- ran (talk) 21:32, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Frog goo and Pork fu

I'm not sure if that article is talking about hasma, to me it seemed a bit vague.

As for porkfu or roufu I think it so similar to rousong that perhaps it should begin as a section there? Sjschen 02:51, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

I suppose there can be an article for pork fu, but it's so similar pork sung, unless it can be expanded I'm not sure it's the best thing to do right now.

And yes, the jianshui does mean lye-water. The treatment of the precooked rice causes it to turn into a bright yellow. The same technique is applied to some noodles to give them a yellow colour. The process also gives the products a distictive "jian" flavour (no not a caustic taste). Sjschen 23:57, 28 January 2007 (UTC)


I can't find any mention of this instrument in any of the dictionaries I've looked in. Googling doesn't help, because 和's sense of "and" vastly overwhelms all other results. Perhaps asking at the Chinese Wikipedian's notice board might help? I'm sure someone would have access to a larger dictionary. -- ran (talk) 17:28, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Re: rice vermicelli

Hi, yes I am, but I don't know if there is a standard romanisation form anywhere... if there is, I don't know it. So I try my best... this one is quite easy because it is close to the Mandarin pronunciation. In other cases it would be much harder. Anyway, I'll put it there until someone comes up with an official romanisation scheme --Sumple (Talk) 23:33, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Bunch of stuff

  • Jian flavour is this slight "stinky" off flavour that reminds me of century eggs. Jian zong are usually eaten dipped in granulated sugar.
  • The wide sheets are a kind of cellophane noodles. They emphasize the "boucy" texture of these noodles by allowing more chewing.
  • zong粽 is to zongzi粽子 as li梨(pear) is to lizi梨子. The first is a general class, the second is a "culturally assumed" type or sub-class/item from the general class. At least this is my understanding. As such zongzi粽子 must be bamboo-leaf wrapped and made of glutinous rice, while zong粽 can be anything from perenakan zong to tamales(mexican zong) Sjschen 00:24, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

No, it's right, but I think it does not really work in the intro since they're just zongzi with different fillings. I think they probably belong in one of the sections Sjschen 01:08, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Re:Cellophane noodle

It seems that they're called "bún tàu" more often than "bún tào". However, "tào" makes more sense if it means "bean curd noodle", while "bún tàu" can mean "Chinese noodle". Miến might be the proper word, though. The only references I found for "bún tào" are in vegetarian recipes. DHN 00:29, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Agave syrup

The links you added are inappropriate as they are commercial websites selling the product. As such they cannot be trusted to provide factual or reliable information about it. Surely there must be non-commercial sources of information about this subject?

Edited to add: I can identify two major problems with using commercial websites as links and/or sources of information. The first is that they simply cannot be considered reliable sources of factual information; their purpose is to sell a product. Second, once one commercial source is linked, why stop there? Any of their competitors could reasonably demand to be likewise listed. MrDarwin 18:26, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Books by Harry M. Caudill

I see you are a very busy Wikipedian indeed, but I'd like to question your format revisions to three of Caudill's books I listed. You asked the question, why do certain books have two publication dates? The reason is that the first date is the original publication, usually in hardback, and the second, after the publsher, is for the new edition, revised edition, paperback, etc. I am not familiar with any bibliographic citation format that includes the country as in your addition of "United States" when that is obvious from the city and state. And why just three of the books, not all? And New York is repeated in one --why? City and state? Unnecessary. I seems to me you have introduced an inconsistent format without reason. Why not use a simple, standard format like I was doing? Isn't that the Wiki objective? Dwalls 22:09, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

On Carmenère wines

Dear Badagnani: I notice no one has answered your doubts. The name Carmenère is fine. At least, that's the name that all Chilean winemakers actively producing the wine are printing on their labels, as if by common agreement. I can supply you with plenty of bottle (scanned) labels, if you like. Just write to | Regards, AVM 22:30, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

East of Eden copyright infringements?

There have been some disputes regarding the article, East of Eden. I noticed you reverted some changes made there recently. You may wish to check out the situation and make some comments. − Twas Now ( talkcontribse-mail ) 08:20, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Sweet and sour pork

Actually, this is one of those dishes that everyone pronounces and writes in a different way; what I gave were two representative ways of writing / pronouncing it. The second syllable has a neutral tone. -- ran (talk) 01:37, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Hold on...

hey, I got your inquiry, and I'll look to it immediately. keep in touch. Odst 06:02, 2 February 2007 (UTC)


sure. ill do that. By the way, I found nothing about any pleasure troupe with Kim jong il. Right now, im looking into Korean resources, but they have yielded nothing. Why do you ask about such a strange topic? Odst 06:10, 2 February 2007 (UTC)