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Life, or that which passes for it[edit]

… has been odd. And not that good. I am in New Mexico and can't get to my email. Have had eye surgery that required two surgeons, and my dog Gabe has needed two surgeries. He is taking it better. So editing has been just a few odd things rather than ............ a lot of odd things. Cheers. Carptrash (talk) 23:08, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

@Carptrash: I'm glad you had the surgery. I hope it's as successful as the first eye. I'd like to see you and your camera back out on the road.
Wishing the best for you (and Gabe). == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 00:38, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
Ha -this surgery was to fix the f**k-up in the first eye surgery, so we hope it is in reality more successful. Carptrash (talk) 23:43, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
@Carptrash: Got it. You hadn't complained, so I presumed things had gone well the first time. My sentiments and good wishes stand. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 00:33, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
Best wishes, Carp, and hope for success and a healthy recovery. Thoughts and Prayers, my friend, thoughts and prayers. ―Buster7  16:57, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
A few days ago they stuck a syringe in my eye and sucked out . . ..... something to lower the pressure. For 24 hours. I am back to Albu tomorrow. Carptrash (talk) 04:52, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
@Carptrash: Yikes! Hang in there. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 14:16, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Peace Dove Christmas[edit]

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Peace is a state of balance and understanding in yourself and between others, where respect is gained by the acceptance of differences, tolerance persists, conflicts are resolved through dialog, peoples rights are respected and their voices are heard, and everyone is at their highest point of serenity without social tension.
Happy Holidays. ―Buster7  00:06, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
@Buster7: Thank you for the Christmas greetings. I wish the same to you. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 12:49, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

danke schoen[edit]

thanks for the tip, BHG, I'll follow up with our friend, and if it's not too early here's to a wonderful holiday season to you and yours! all best --Lockley (talk) 03:40, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

Happy Saturnalia[edit]

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Wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season. Enjoy the sounds of the season. May the year ahead be productive and troll-free. 7&6=thirteen () 17:15, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Sarah Fisher Ames[edit]

Hi! I just updated Sarah Fisher Ames. You may want to add her to your List of American sculptors exhibited at the 1893 World's Columbian Exposition table. Best,WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 20:35, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia Happy New Year.png Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2019!

Hello BoringHistoryGuy, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2019.
Happy editing,

Dan Koehl (talk) 09:10, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

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@Dan Koehl: Thank you very much. Merry Christmas to you, too. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 17:34, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Thank you. Happy new year to you too!Zigzig20s (talk) 16:55, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Same - Happy New Year! Wishing you and yours all the best. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 19:07, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Happy New Year, BoringHistoryGuy![edit]

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Happy New Year![edit]

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Hello BoringHistoryGuy: Thanks for all of your contributions to Wikipedia, and have a great New Year! Cheers, Walk Like an Egyptian (talk) 01:47, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

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Happy New Year![edit]

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@Northamerica1000: Wow. Thank you. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 14:33, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Happy New Year[edit]

Thank you for your message on my talk page, I hope 2019 treats you well!--MainlyTwelve (talk) 19:23, 2 January 2019 (UTC)


Thank you for your great image with good wishes! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:44, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Please check out "Happy" once more, for a smile, and sharing (a Nobel Peace Prize), and resolutions. I wanted that for 1 January, but then wasn't sad about having our music pictured instead. Not too late for resolutions, New Year or not. DYK that he probably kept me on Wikipedia, back in 2012? By the line (which brought him to my attention, and earned the first precious in br'erly style) that I added to my editnotice, in fond memory? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:07, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Right Back At You![edit]

Philadelphia Winter Landscape, by Thomas Birch,
oil on canvas, circa 1830-1845, in the collection of
Museo Nacional Centro de Arte Reina Sofía, Madrid, Spain.

Thank you for your New Years Wishes,
and Right Back At You!
Yes, you made my day!

Zcarstvnz (talk) 10:57, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Invitation to join WikiProject Brands[edit]

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Hello, BoringHistoryGuy.

You are invited to join WikiProject Brands, a WikiProject and resource dedicated to improving Wikipedia's coverage of brands and brand-related topics.
To join the project, just add your name to the member list. North America1000 20:11, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Retta T. Matthews[edit]

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Hi! I just finished a short article on Retta T. Matthews. You may want to add her to your List of American sculptors exhibited at the 1893 World's Columbian Exposition table. BTW- I cannot find a public domain image of her sculpture Indiana (statue), but added a fair use image in the article for the sculpture. Perhaps you may have a way of locating a PD image. Best, WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 23:30, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

@WomenArtistUpdates: I found this image on Wiki Commons. Unfortunately, the Wikipedia team pictured didn't post an image of the sculpture without themselves in it.
Sculpture is frustrating (and now architecture in the European Union), since the work can be PD (as is this) but the photograph is not unless specifically released.
I set up the List of American sculptors exhibited at the 1893 World's Columbian Exposition for Carptrash to play with. Assembling the paintings took almost a month, and it's still at least a third incomplete. I'll add Matthews and the sculptor you sent me last month to the page (probably tomorrow).
Keep up the good work! Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 02:41, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
Hurt me, hurt me. I believe that I once had a picture of this work but lost it when my house was hit my lightning and my computer fried and I lost several thousand images. There is one place where I can look, I will, but I am not hopeful. Okay, I am hopeful , but not optomistic. Carptrash (talk) 04:08, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
@Carptrash: It's a silly photo (with the whole team), but at least it's an image. I hope you're well. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 16:24, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
If you can't be with the one you love, love the one you're with. AKA, you make do with what you have. I am still feeling over medicated for my eyes but we (me and the doctors) have the pressure down to a good number. So, one thing at a time. And you? Carptrash (talk) 18:35, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
@Carptrash: Oh, I'm fine. Cold weather here, high of 16 yesterday and 20s today; going above freezing tomorrow. We escaped the heavy snows western PA and New England got. Outside looks like an Elmer Schofield painting. I went to an exhibit of Pennsylvania Impressionists last week, and thoroughly enjoyed it. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 19:18, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

a couple of pictures[edit]

Genius of Creation.jpeg
Liberty Wisconsin SC, by Karl Bitter.jpg

Rather than try and work these into your chart myself, I figure I'll just pass them on to you, like the baton in a relay race and let you run the final lap. They are from the Federal Building in Cleveland. Enjoy Carptrash (talk) 04:39, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Hmmm. They would not allow me to take a picture of "Memory" at Chesterwood (Massachusetts). I've been scooped. Carptrash (talk) 05:14, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
I guess it pays NOT to ask permission. Although I remember something about Louis Sullivan stencils. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 05:30, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
Yes, one of the 27 Rules that I live my life by is 'If I can't take 'NO' for the answer, I don't ask the question."Carptrash (talk) 05:43, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
I like that rule. I went with another pair of images for the Cleveland Courthouse. SIRIS has nothing on Genius of Creation or Eve. Do you have images/sources/more info? == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 14:15, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
Years ago I managed to score a "DRAFT" "Complete works of DCF" from Chesterwood. SO far (page7) I have found both an "Eve" and a "Genius of Creation" - located at Chesterwood. No date or material, I'd guess both are plaster. I am continuing in the list. And am done with p. 14 - the last - and there is no more of either one. I'll check a few other sources, but I rarely (if ever) find stuff not on the master list. Carptrash (talk) 15:21, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
Here is "Genius of Creation" it took me a while to figure out it was from the PPII - or whatever. This should work. Carptrash (talk) 15:56, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
@Carptrash: That's a glorious image. Well worth waiting for. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 16:04, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

@Carptrash: @Lockley: Lockley posted an image of the Hotel Astor ballroom, that may show Konti's Three Graces. Hint: Look up. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 18:27, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

I have worked with Lockley for maybe 12 years and he is 100% okay 99.997% accurate. But I will check, Carptrash (talk) 19:21, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
I looked it up in my Konti book and it even mentions Munson being 16 at the time. Current whereabouts unknown. Also, here is "Liberty" from the Wisconsic St Cap. Carptrash (talk) 20:01, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
@Carptrash: Thanks. That's a far better image of Liberty than Wiki Commons has. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 20:39, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
I was there for the right time of day for that one, but there are fourpediments on the building so they are not all this good. Carptrash (talk) 21:19, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
@Carptrash: I didn't mean look it UP. I meant look at the 3rd balcony in the image. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 23:05, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
(Spoken rather stiffly) I can find the sculpture in the picture. Carptrash (talk) 04:38, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
@Lockley: Okay, sorry. What I don't know is if The Three Graces has been published (before). And I wonder if the Hudson River Museum's Three Muses has that same triangular composition. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 13:03, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

I'm kidding BHG, and Lockley has even more of a sense of humor than I do. I have a picture of Konti's "Three Muses" and it is quite different. They are standing in a fairly tight group so the composition is more vertical. If that is the work you mean. Carptrash (talk) 16:00, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

@Carptrash: Do you have a year for Konti's "Three Muses"? == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 16:09, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
Three Graces closer up
Oh boy, an argument on wikipedia! They are so rare, I am lucky to find one. May I join in by adding an image? Image first, a couple of bratty opinions to follow later. --Lockley (talk) 19:42, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
@Lockley: @Carptrash: Perhaps an argument, I prefer to think of it as a process toward clarification. Your image is most welcome! As was the image you posted of the Hotel Astor ballroom, above. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 20:04, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for thanks, but thank you and the others for developing a really nice table and page. Nice work. Randy Kryn (talk) 20:12, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
@Randy Kryn: I appreciate your kind words. It is turning out well. Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 20:18, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Henry Drinker[edit]

Hello, BHG. I have posted a comment on the talk page for Henry Drinker that I think may be of interest to you, and on which you may be able to shed helpful light. Would appreciate your feedback. PDGPA (talk) 21:49, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

I reverted the deletion and then re-edited it, per your suggestions. Please take a look and make any further edits you feel are called for. My goal is to show Drinker as the important personage he was, both in law and in music, without omitting the published criticism. PDGPA (talk) 02:16, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
@PDGPA: I think that's a worthy goal. And I think what you've written withstands scrutiny. That doesn't mean someone won't delete it, but it's more likely to be reverted and to last. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 03:13, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
Your editorial expertise and input would again be welcome at the Henry Drinker talk page. PDGPA (talk) 21:02, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

The Audrey Munson Barn Star Maiden Award[edit]

Awarded to BoringHistoryGuy

you are one of a very select few
to receive this
seldom coveted award.
Carptrash (talk) 20:12, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

I don't know what to say, except to quote Sally Field: "You like me … You really like me." == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 20:24, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Faith Chapel[edit]

I like what you've done to Jeykll Island. One thing, you added the Historic District tag to Faith Chapel (Jekyll Island, Georgia). It is part of a HD, but it is on the NRHP on its own. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 05:36, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

@Bubba73: Thanks. I like your photos. I think Faith Chapel is cited correctly, as both a separately listed NRHP site and a contributing structure in a NHLD district. Rockefeller Cottage is cited the same way.
If you visit Jekyll Island again, I hope you'll take photos of the minor buildings. (I'm a bit of a completist.)
Best, ==BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 11:52, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
Yes, I thought about more photos yesterday (to do when it gets cool enough to go outside). I live in that county. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 17:42, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
That's terrific! But I guess it's not that much of a coincidence.
If you don't mind a personal request, please take some photos of the Walter Rogers Furness Cottage. That's what got me interested in Jekyll Island in the first place. I suspect James W. Fassitt was the building's primary designer (he died soon after it was completed). Walter worked for the firm on and off. Or it might be by Frank himself. But it is a beauty.
Best, ==BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 18:18, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
Yes, I can get that house. I concentrate on NRHP sites that don't have a photo, but a secondary objective is to get better photos. So much depends on the camera, lighting, angle, and getting vegitation, signs, and light poles out of the way. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 18:37, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
Understood. I'm a lousy photographer, but will post my images on Commons if there are no others. Thank you. ==BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 18:44, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

It is a lot of walking to cover the whole area. I've walked by the small buildings on Pier Road many times on the way to the more interesting stuff, but not much attention to them. Anyhow, I downloaded a map and planned out a visit to get most of the rest of the buildings. I'll probably do it soon on a day in which the weather is OK. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 16:41, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

@Bubba73: Thanks. I look forward to what you come up with. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 20:56, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
The Field Guide to Architectural Sculpture in the US is thinking of adding Faith Chapel, with it's gargoyles, and perhaps more interior carvings, to it's inventory. Bubba73, are you interesting in contributing to that? (details upon request) Carptrash (talk) 17:48, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
@Bubba73: User:Carptrash is the Wikipedia expert on architectural sculpture. And a great guy. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 20:56, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
I don't know anything about architecture. I put several exterior photos in Wikimedia Commons. I could get interior photos if it is open (I don't know when or if it is open). Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 21:23, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
@Bubba73: I think what User:Carptrash is suggesting is to take a photo of anything that you think is beautiful or special. They may not allow photography inside the church, and stained glass windows are especially tricky. I read that Faith Chapel's interior is also shingled, something that was common in the 1890s, but untouched interiors are rare. Please do what you can. I appreciate it. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 22:01, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
OK. I don't think that it has been used as a church since 1942. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 23:04, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
Whoops, it is still used as a church. It is probably open to the public. I've done stained glass before - it looks great if there is light coming from the outside. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 23:48, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
@Bubba73: RE:Stained glass. Good. That wasn't the case for me at Washington Memorial Chapel. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 11:33, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

Jekyll Island Historic District[edit]

Well, the weather wasn't too bad today, so I went to photograph some of the other things in the J.I. HD. The Sun was directly overhead, causing some harsh lighting. I took 142 photos total (in my usual overkill style).

I started with the old infirmary (building you were interested in) and then parked behind the Morgan Center. I got that area and went up Pier Road, getting those buildings and the museum and stables across the road, then back down Pier Road. My intention was to do one side of Pier Road and then the other, but it didn't quite work out that way. Then I parked behind Villa Marianna and got that area, including Faith Chapel.

I'm uploading the Faith Chapel ones right now to the Commons category Faith Chapel. I'll upload the others later (probably tonight). It was extremely dark in the chapel, and they don't allow flash photography. My eyes were used to bright sunlight w/o sunglasses so I couldn't see much of what I was photographing.

For the ones other than Faith Chapel, I'll dump them in the JI HD category, all with JIHD as a name, since I'm uploading in bulk. We need to go through and identify the building in the descriptions, if you can help with that. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 21:24, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

All of the photos have been uploaded now. Some of them are to just help show the location or name. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 00:41, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
@Bubba73: The photos look terrific! I've identified most of them (the ones I didn't have to look up). I'll do more tomorrow. Thank you so much. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 03:18, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for helping with the names in the descriptions. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 03:24, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
142 photos in 111 minutes. Some could be better and some need to be cropped. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 04:11, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
@Bubba73: I think all the buildings have been identified. And the photos look great!
I presume Doc's Snack Shop is new construction. I wonder if the restroom behind Faith Chapel is new construction or a recycled building? I read something about one of the ten Red Row houses (built c.1910 for Af-Am Club employees) surviving. Could the restroom be that house? == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 12:37, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
Doc's Snack Shop must be new, it doesn't have a chimney. Which means that it isn't in the NRHP HD. I don't know about the restroom building behind Faith Chapel. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 15:16, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
And the restroom building behind Faith Chapel is probably not new - it has an chimney, which is usually a good indicator. But it doesn't really look like an old chimney. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 17:04, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

And I don't know why the Sweets Shoppe has such a tall chimney. Chimneys are a good indicator of old construction, and that looks like something left over from a much larger building. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 15:35, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

And see how the Sweets Shoppe chimney is lighter from one point upwards, as if it had been exposed to sunlight longer. I doubt that this is the original boiler building. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 15:45, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
@Bubba73: Take a look at San Souci Boiler House the article. It looks like the same building in the 1911 photograph. And it had to house a boiler large enough to provide heat and hot water to the San Souci Apartments.
The small buildings in the mid-ground, on the far side of the vegetable garden, seem to be where Doc's Snack Shop is now. So maybe one or both was incorporated into it. Is that possible, or am I mistaken about Doc's location? == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 16:05, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
Yes, the old photo does show the boiler house looking like that.
As for Doc's, I used the bottom half of this map. Doc's is directly north of the Morgan Center. (North is to the left on that map.)
One thing, you have "Staff Dining Hall " as "Currently houses Gypsea Glass". The building in the photo currently houses "Remember When". The map says "Gypsea Glass", but that seems to be out of data. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 16:34, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
@Bubba73: Thanks for catching that. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 17:09, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Page 8 of the NRHP form has a poor reproduction of a map. It doesn't show the restrooms behind Faith Chapel or the building with Doc's. It also doesn't show the boiler house/Sweets Shop. But the chimney at Sweets Shop definitely looks like the original one. The building may or may not be original. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 17:20, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

@Bubba73: I'm looking at the same map, and see what you mean. You're right that the San Souci Boiler House may be a recreation. And what happened to the Laundry building?
We don't have to solve everything, but this section now is w-a-y more helpful. Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 17:41, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
I like the thrifty way the buildings have been moved around and recycled. Not what you think of with millionaires. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 17:44, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
I don't know about the laundry. The chimney at the Sweets Shop is centered and in the old photo of the vegetable garden it looks like it is in the corner of the building. Also, it looks to me like the highest part of the roof is taller than that on the Sweets Shop. I think that the Sweets Shop was probably built on the site of the boiler house and incorporates the old chimney. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 17:48, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
@Bubba73: I haven't been able to find a reliable source that helps with the boiler house. You would think that a NRHP nomination would list the 33 contributing structures, but it does not. The town where I grew up has a historic district, but I could never find a complete listing of the 50+ contributing structures. I just snapped photos of every building that I knew was old and posted them on Wiki Commons. They have a historical society, but it doesn't even have a website. Write them a letter (not email) and someone will respond (eventually). == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 02:02, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
The HRHP form doesn't even seem to say that there are 33 contributing structures. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 02:12, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
There are some books that might say. Put "history of jekyll island" into Amazon. And there is the museum, but I don't know if anyone there would know what happened decades ago. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 02:18, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
I subscribe to this, which says that it is the same. It looks like the chimney is in a different place to me. Sometime I could see if the north side of the building looks like the old photo, and I could go in it to see if the chimney goes to a fireplace. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 02:37, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
Well, comparing that photo to the old one, it could be the same building. Either that or they modeled the new one on the old one. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 02:45, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
@Bubba73: From the book excerpts I've been able to find on Google Books, the Club's records seem to be very detailed and complete. That's where I found that Pulitzer moved the Furness Cottage this many feet, and Albright moved it this many. So a definitive answer on the boiler house likely exists in those records. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 03:20, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
A little while ago I didn't think it was the same building (based on the seemingly different place of the chimney), now I think that it probably is (the north side seems to match the old photo). I need to go inside and see what it looks like. The roof is drooping as if it is an old building. OTOH, it could have burned down at some point (before or after the state of Georgia had it, leaving only the chimney. But it is missing from the NRHP map. But the pump house is also not on the NRHP map, and it is still there. (I did not know where the pump house was, but when I was leaving the Morgan Center parking lot, I saw it.) Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 04:23, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

@Bubba73: Thanks. I corrected the pump house location. I've been doing a little work on Charles Alling Gifford. He supposedly designed 5 buildings at Jekyll Island Club, but I've only been able to confirm 4 – San Souci Apartments, Mistletoe Cottage, Pulitzer Cottage, Clubhouse Annex. He seems to have been very well-connected in NJ, and of course did your county's old courthouse. I'm liking what I'm finding. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 01:35, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

I'm assuming that building is the pump house. I don't have any location or description of it. (I got married at that courthouse the first time.) Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 01:41, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
@Bubba73: Ah, memories … Gifford did fine work, both small scale and big. I think the detailing on Mistletoe is exquisite. But even the grand hotels at Mount Washington and Niagara Falls are beautifully done. I hadn't heard of him before, and little has been written about him. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 01:58, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
The Mistletoe photo was taken at 3:41 in the winter, when the Sun was low and casting shadows. Sometime I'll go back over and get a new round of photos of the mansions when the Sun is better, and get more details. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 02:10, 17 June 2019 (UTC)


My parents had the book "The Jekyll Island Club: Southern Haven for America's Millionaires" by William and June McCash. The boiler isn't in the index and there is no photo of it. It does have a 1930 map. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 23:22, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

@Bubba73: Interesting map. I don't have any of the Jekyll Island books, so I have to rely on what I can find online.
Do you think the unidentified building above (east of) #9 is the boiler house? == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 23:44, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
Yes, it must be. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 23:51, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
@Bubba73: It's puzzled me that the Baker-Crane Carriage House is so far away from Crane Cottage/the site of Solterra. I wonder if it was relocated and reused as either the Laundry or the Blacksmith/Carpenter Shop shown on the 1930 map. The map is very helpful for sussing things out. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 00:06, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
It might be. #24 on the 1930 map is now the Sea Turtle Center. The Crane Carriage House is not listed or shown on the 1930 map, at least not in its present location. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 00:33, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
Also, as far as the boiler, I can read the sign next to it (I didn't do that). Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 00:39, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

They didn't need the carriage house to be near - a servant would bring the carriage or whatever up to the house, I suppose. The horse stable is a long way away and other things like the coal house, the garage and power plant, blacksmith, and laundry aren't close either. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 00:44, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Jekyll book[edit]

If you want that book on the Jekyll Island Club by McCash and McCash, I'll send it to you. I don't want to keep it. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 21:29, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

@Bubba73: Thank you, but I think I may pass. A lot of the info I need about the architects can be found online. I would like to figure out who designed Solterra Cottage (1890) for Frederic Baker, but its not a high priority. And Charles Alling Gifford now has respectable article. Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 16:37, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

I seem to have more misses[edit]

than hits these days. Will email you shortly. eeek aka Carptrash (talk) 22:14, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

@Carptrash: Good to hear from you, but not good to hear that. Take care. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 22:21, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

Bavarian and Tyrol art glass?[edit]

Hey, i am innocently trying to develop an obscure U.S. National Register of Historic Places article, on Immaculate Conception Church (Pawhuska, Oklahoma), and come across how it has amazing stained glass windows, allowed by special dispensation of the pope, which are manufactured by the Bavarian Art Glass Company (a redlink) of Munich, Germany. Browsing elsewhere i begin to wonder if this must be the Royal Bavarian Stained Glass Manufactory (a redlink), in Munich. I find a huge amount of interesting stuff at this webpage "Munich Pictorial Style Stained Glass Windows in Western New York". Including about a fairly long-running split of Franz Xavier Zettler, who married a Mayer daughter, out of the Mayer system, which was eventually remerged back in. And competition with Tyrol Art Glass, Innsbruck (Tiroler Glasmalereianstalt). Including at least one source calling the three firms' work pretty much interchangeable, I am not sure about that, but their histories are certainly intertwined and perhaps overall coverage should be unified.

Okay, then i find there is Franz Mayer & Co. article in Wikipedia, not mentioning hardly anything of the history, instead mainly serving as a partial list of churches having stained glass installations (listing a lot in Ireland but not covering this Oklahoma church). Not mentionng Zettler or Tyrol anything. Having a "List of works of..." article would be fine, but the main history needs to be told somewhere. Would you or anyone you know possibly be up to developing this area, by any chance? --Doncram (talk) 10:04, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

@Doncram: I'm afraid I don't know anything about stained glass. I started an article on Nicola D'Ascenzo because he created the windows at Washington Memorial Chapel, and a collection of his sketches and cartoons are at the Philadelphia Athenaeum.[1] I can't think of anyone who would be eager to take this on. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 13:37, 27 September 2019 (UTC)