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Ken Banks

You recently made a number of edits to Ken Banks. Recently the page was reported for paid editing. Some of your edits seem to be very similar to the "requested edits" that the paid editing company attempted to make. Can you clarify? If you were paid to make these edits, please say so. The Pony Toast 🍞 (Talk) 18:08, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

What iteration of "Drmies is secretly a paid editor" are we on now? Galobtter (pingó mió) 18:20, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
Seems to be supposedly related to this. MPS1992 (talk) 19:05, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
Yes, it is. Regarding the "instructions" from he paid editing company that tried to hire me, this edit matches instruction #1. this edit removes the same citation as instruction #7. These come after a series of anonymous edits on the article earlier in the day. I am not trying to accuse, I am assuming good faith and asking Drmies directly as I follow up on an issue while checking on my follow-up list related to this issue. I'd ask the same of any other editor. The Pony Toast 🍞 (Talk) 19:28, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
PonyToast, I think these edits speak for themselves, don't they? Who, you think, would pay me for those? Jimbo? Drmies (talk) 01:14, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
Only a few weeks ago, this pony had forgotten which template to use when they were adding someone else's work to Wikipedia. @PonyToast: do you have an apology ready for Drmies, for your confusion? MPS1992 (talk) 23:37, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
Oh, I'm not looking for an apology, just for some...I don't know, recognition of common sense. PonyToast? Drmies (talk) 00:34, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
Drmies, Since you've decided that you should tag me in discussions with other users I am going to reply, but I had no intention of doing so previously. I have reviewed my post above, where I asked you a question about an edit, and then explained, with diffs and links, exactly why I asked that question. I did so in a respectful manner. You gave me vague and flippant responses. If that's how you want to act, that's your choice, but I will remind you that one of us is a Wikipedia administrator and the other is not. The Pony Toast 🍞 (Talk) 18:16, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
Ha, The Pony Toast, that's rich. Sure, you were respectful--in asking a ridiculous question, prima facie ridiculous and thus hardly of good faith. Drmies (talk) 20:33, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

i think

there is some disjuncture somewhere... JarrahTree 14:20, 16 May 2019 (UTC) "I, for one, ell very disjunctured.14:22, 16 May 2019 (UTC)~

there is an element of either absurdity or some bizarre surreality that the late john antrobus or maybe milliganus spikus could have created a film, perhaps a play, about the sock that constantly inhabits its own court of judgement from the wrong side of the room and constantly speaks in a language that suggests either a severe case of austic incomprehension or perhaps sheer delight in leaving meaningless linguistic clues that would make the ghost of the late umberto ecco want to return to life to create a whole tome about loops in the reality/time/space discjuncture, or something like that...JarrahTree 14:27, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
please excuse the complex allusions to obscure long dead english playwriters (well almost) - it wasnt my intention - it was more frustation at some aspects of how an indonesian sock is constantly appearing in its own checkuser space - spooky to say the least, however the very good cu from the fair archipelago is putting some processes in place... long time not menace this talk page - surprised some smart page watcher hasnt dropped in to allude to the veritable merits of possible puns about ecco, antrobus or their mate the perennially depressed miliganus spikus JarrahTree 14:39, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
@JarrahTree: do you mean like this, or a different way? MPS1992 (talk) 00:13, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
more or less JarrahTree 00:32, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
Hmm most of that goes over my head, as does some of the stuff in the ANI discussion. I see that Floquenbeam had a concise comment there, and I typically trust his judgment--but I'm not about to dive into another matter I'm not familiar with. Drmies (talk) 15:32, 17 May 2019 (UTC)


So, Drmies - what exactly did you find so important that you couldn't resist adding a second paragraph to house your off-topic comment? I thought of a few possibilities but nothing that went beyond mean-spirited or obliquely threatening. Atsme Talk 📧 18:09, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

  • Hmm that was off-topic? But the "threatening" note is a nice touch. Drmies (talk) 18:20, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
    • And that means??? Atsme Talk 📧 22:17, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
      • I'm sorry, I don't understand; I'm sorry. Let me try again. The general tenor of the first remark was, "My post was off-topic but your post wasn't?" Meaning also, you're on an arbitration page and you are including conversational and colloquial content that some might say was irrelevant, others might call appropriate, many apparently thought was puzzling. And: "That you call my note threatening is a clever rhetorical trick, by which you suggested that the person criticizing a comment of yours was actually threatening you personally." It's kind of like yelling "I'm being oppressed"--except that that guy was actually being manhandled. Like, if I were to scream bloody murder cause you came to my talk page to make comments, and I'd call that harassment or whatever. Some people do that. Yes, I think that crying foul over a DS warning when someone's already had one is a bit, I don't want to say "snowflakey" because that's usually a right-wing word, and I don't want to use the words "triggering" and "safe spaces" because making fun of those terms is usually a right-wing tactic to belittle the real trauma felt by real people, so Ima just call it exaggerated. Which I think I did. If I didn't, I'll be glad to come back and add more words. Atsme, you got better things to do than to try and either befriend or cajole me. We're just editors here. Drmies (talk) 22:28, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
        • In Texas, we call bullhonkey BULLHONKEY. For one thing, I didn't "cry foul over a DS warning" and if that's what you believe, that's your problem, not mine. I explained what triggered my request, and for you to intimidate me and try to belittle me over an innocent request that I felt would be helpful to admins and editors alike speaks volumes about you, not me. I know exactly what you did and what you're trying to do now, and I don't appreciate it. Thanks for your little strawman explanation and failed attempt at gaslighting - it served to confirm exactly what I said you did when you alluded to my t-ban, pretending not to know it was successfully appealed, and some bullhonkey about Bill Gates. Shame on you, Drmies. Feel free to hat this discussion and save yourself further embarrassment. Atsme Talk 📧 23:24, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
          • Next time you have a "request", post it on some discussion page. If you felt "intimidated" by my comments (sorry, I'm trying to keep from laughing), that's too bad. How about I don't hat this, so the popcorn gallery can see how you swing this way and that. That topic ban of yours was a great thing; whoever agreed to shelve it was a fool. You know what they say in Alabama? "Bless her heart". Drmies (talk) 23:55, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

I was reading through the Analects, and came across the ancient Chinese curse: nìng wéi tàipíng quan, mò zuò luàn lí rén. I think it refers to the very early days of Wikidom. My Ancient Chinese is a bit rusty. But, near as I can figure, it translates to: “May you have an interesting talk page”. Some may think this off-topic; but I like popcorn.. O3000 (talk) 23:59, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

  • Ha, I don't really care for popcorn at all myself. Two, three years ago I had more patience than I do today. The latest installment in that thing (cause I'm not quite sure what it is) is this edit, which tellingly starts with "No, that is not the purpose or intent. There is obviously a misunderstanding". What a surprise. Drmies (talk) 00:05, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
Merely participating in that filing (I’m embarrassed to say) uses more time than you would use deleting a decade of DS alerts. O3000 (talk) 00:14, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
Yes, Drmies - I encourage you to feel cozy when the pile-ons begin. As you advised me once...somebody out there is collecting diffs. Atsme Talk 📧 02:33, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
Haha, that's not even obliquely threatening. Drmies (talk) 02:42, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

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Regarding posts on Admin Noticeboard

Dear user,

It is not acceptable for editors to be paid for writing articles. This is against the Wikipedia community guidelines. This is a formal noticeboard so do not post things that would mislead people that you are involved even though you are joking. Thanks. WikiAviator (talk) 04:51, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

(for those interested, this is related to this MPS1992 (talk) 12:57, 18 May 2019 (UTC) )
User:WikiAviator, you are being very, very silly. Drmies (talk) 14:18, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
Sorry to butt in but paid contributors are impossible to prevent and actually not against policy. It obviously creates a conflict of interest, so the guideline is to disclose when you are being paid. Such editors are added to tracking categories so they can face extra scrutiny for violating WP:NPOV. Disclosing payment is welcomed and if it wasn't, it would just go underground and we'd never know who was and who wasn't paid. Is there a policy against soliciting paid contributions on-wiki? I don't know, but perhaps there is. Is there a policy against joking about it? Almost certainly not. Cheers, --SVTCobra (talk) 22:25, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
Maybe we could have a policy against Drmies joking about it? MPS1992 (talk) 23:02, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
I am not fully familiar with Drmies sense of humor, but it is not outside the general realm of possibility that all humor and satire could be banned (levity=bad) from Wikipedia. Is the admin noticeboard the best place to make jokes, probably not, but some people have sticks they need to remove. That said, maybe a specific joke ban or joke filter can be imposed on Drmies. Cheers, --SVTCobra (talk) 23:44, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
What if we paid him not to make jokes? He could be an undisclosed paid non-editor? More on point, it is not against policy to be a disclosed paid editor (alas), or to make jokes about paid editing on a noticeboard. -- Euryalus (talk) 23:49, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
By the way, disclosing if you're a paid editor is not just welcomed, it's mandatory. -- Euryalus (talk) 23:52, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
True, but how would we know if not through self-disclosure? Randomly encountering Wikipedians offering their services on Craigslist or eBay using their real user name? Otherwise, it pretty much has to be on a volunteer basis. Cheers, --SVTCobra (talk) 00:02, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
Euryalus, at this stage in my life and my career I'd do just about anything to get paid, including making jokes, not making jokes, making not-jokes, and making serious remarks. I am still waiting on PonyToast's response. Who knows, they might have a job offer for me. As for a filter, y'all know that's going to be hard, for starters cause I like to use big words hahahahahaha. Sorry, gotta go--watching Columbo. Drmies (talk) 00:06, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
Is this the one where Janet Leigh gets away with it? Only other one that I remember is when he let Faye Dunaway get away with her murder. Sucker for a pretty face. But then, Perry Mason once lost a case. O3000 (talk) 00:15, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
Columbo (season 5), first episode. But I was distracted so I'm sure I missed something important. Something about pills, and I don't know what the cooking lady has to do with it. Oh! the old lady has a black cat suit! This is going to be awesome. Drmies (talk) 00:17, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
Yes Janet Leigh! Drmies (talk) 00:18, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

But I the point is that he deleted what he said on my talk page, and this implies that he knows that his actions are not wuite right. Yes I will report vandalism for him deleting things on my talk pagr so no need to remind me and say that I am silly ok? Also, I think that articles should be written at a voluntary basis so that the articles that do not follow the notability guidelines can't be written just because they were paid.WikiAviator (talk) 05:34, 19 May 2019 (UTC)


Hi Drmies, I want to ask you about something. It's something that makes me feel uncomfortable in Wikipedia. I said something when I was still new in Wikipedia. And that thing was really stupid and I want to remove it. I want to remove it completely from Wikipedia. If you are able to help me please let me know I will send you an email where that stupid thing I said is.--SharabSalam (talk) 05:43, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

  • Go ahead and sent it. I'll let you know if there's anything I can do. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 14:16, 18 May 2019 (UTC)


Hi Drmies: It is interesting that you feel I am trying to insert language into articles from a conservative viewpoint. Take an objective look at any Wikipedia article about a current politician. Those about conservatives include far more criticism than those about liberals - this is not just my opinion, but a well-recognized fact. The articles about Ocasio-Cortez, Rashida Tlaib, Hillary Clinton, and Bernie Sanders are no exceptions - they are written from a very supportive, left-wing viewpoint, rather than an objective, balanced viewpoint which would include criticism as well as support for various positions. A good example is AOC's support of the Green New Deal, which requires deficit spending and relies on the Modern Monetary Theory. While the Green New Deal is supported by environmental activist groups like Greenpeace, it has been roundly criticized by many renowned members of the scientific community as well as numerous economists. Yet to read the AOC article, you might wrongly conclude that the Green New Deal was going to boost the economy, rather than require an enormous investment of money and a massive increase in debt which even supporters like Ms. Ocasio-Cortez admit will be the case. However, no criticism at all of her support of the Green New Deal or its reliance on deficit spending, or indeed any criticism of her whatsoever, is allowed in the article, as it could never pass consensus of Wikipedia editors, who are by and large liberal. On the other hand, the article about President Trump paints him as a liar and racist - starting with the opening section. If criticism to this degree is allowed in an article about the President, certainly a bit of criticism is in order in an article about a controversial first-term representative. However, since the block I have not edited the AOC article to include criticism, however warranted - I simply fixed two sentences so events are now in chronological order JohnTopShelf (talk) 22:31, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

  • I got to where you said AOC's policy requires "deficit spending". We're not here to discuss politics; you can do that anywhere you like but not on Wikipedia. I do wonder, though--if you have a problem with "deficit spending", surely you're also against recent tax policies that blow the national deficit through the roof. But I really don't give a rat's ass for your opinion on AOC's this or that (or anyone else's opinion), and my opinion on it is also irrelevant (but I'll let you in on a secret: I don't have one). I don't know how our article paints the president--I have no interest in reading it, but that he tells lies on a daily basis is a well-established fact. Reliable sources say it. And here is the crux: if reliable sources say it and you're still not liking that it's in the article, your problem is not with Wikipedia editors but with Wikipedia's rules.

    Anyway, what I care about is that you seem to be on a crusade. You're not even denying your POV. I'm not about to read the AOC article cause I'm trying to watch Columbo here, but I will trust that there's enough editors active there who are keeping an eye on things. That you are not getting your way is too bad, I suppose, but not surprising since the edits I saw you make were simply not in agreement with the rules here. Drmies (talk) 00:15, 19 May 2019 (UTC)


I really appreciate your help with a current WP:BLPCOI violation. Hoopes (talk) 22:03, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

  • That comment was well over the line, and previous comments may be also. Glad to be of service--though I hope you understand my service is to the BLP, and I'd do this for anyone. Then again, I teach Wikipedia too, so I understand some of the things you ran into. Drmies (talk) 22:27, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

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Freeboy200, a user blocked by you per WP:NOTHERE a year ago, appears to have continued editing under the username Johansweden27 and various IPs. See these edits by Freeboy200/[1][2] and Johansweden27/[3][4] Further evidence can be found at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Freeboy200. Swift administrative action would greatly assist in preventing trolling at Talk:Germanic peoples. Krakkos (talk) 19:27, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

I'm always baffled when I see such phrasing. Obvious antisemitism (sexism, racism, etc.) is obvious.

What is your opinion about obnoxious anti-Polnism? Xx236 (talk) 07:25, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

  • For such Xx236 gems as "How is it possible that the Jewish Poles had Jewish property?" And I don't want to keep piling on, but this this exchange points to competence issues which I'm not sure are entirely rooted in not being fluent in English. El_C 14:32, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
  • Looking at his contributions are indeed troubling, diff where he seems to be calling out an organization for being anti antisemitic? I think? I really do think at a certain point one of our policies or guidelines come into play for him. I do suggest someone look into his contributions. Sir Joseph (talk) 21:06, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
  • Actually, they say: Center for Research on Prejudice are professional anti-anti-Semites. Someone ahould verify their research, but it would be politically incorrect. El_C 21:10, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
  • , right, like that's a bad thing? In any event, he seems to be righting great wrongs, and that is putting it very mildly without resorting to more drastic words I can use. Sir Joseph (talk) 21:15, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
  • It's 20fucking19. WTF is wrong with people. Has the been blocked yet? and has that other editor been topic-banned yet? I don't even want to look at that conversation anymore. Drmies (talk) 00:44, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
  • Nope, neither has happened yet, sadly. Sir Joseph (talk) 01:25, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
  • (talk page stalker) That thread is a text book example of why I react to ANI like Old Scratch does to Holy Water. I am constantly telling people that whatever your problem, nine times out of ten you are better off avoiding ANI. Yeah, I've been there a few times by sheer necessity. But dear G--, I don't like it. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:54, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Lawn jockey

At lawn jockey you made the edit summary "everyone who's been around the US knows which one is the more prevalent, ". I've been around the South a lot for decades, and I've seen quite a few of the Cavalier Spirit type (three of their photos are mine) but I don't ever remember seeing the Jocko type. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 03:46, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

  • Come on up to North Mississippi. My wife's uncle's wife still has one, and there's plenty more. I know people who collect them. Drmies (talk) 03:48, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
Well, the Jocko type is listed much more often on ebay, but I don't remember seeing them on people's lawns. But I haven't been to northern Mississippi. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 03:50, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
You're not missing much, esp. this time a year. Hotter than hell. Dry county. But I'm talking out in the country; in the suburbs and the cities you probably don't run into them much. I learned some cusswords there for colored people I had never heard before. Anyway, I had never heard the term "jock" until I ran into the article. What this article needs is some good sourcing and writing. This is hard to gauge. Here's a poem, if you have JSTOR. And for a modern-day example... ...Clarence Thomas? Drmies (talk) 04:00, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
I never heard Jocko until this article. eBay says that they are about a foot tall and are used on bookcases and for doorstops. That may be why I don't see them outside. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 05:03, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
My experience has been the opposite, at least between Georgia and Virginia from the 60s to present, the Jocko type accounted for at least 80% of sightings, sometimes in later years with whiteface applied. They were all over the place in Virginia in the 60s and 70s.Acroterion (talk) 03:52, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
I'm sure they exist, but I don't actually ever recall seeing either type in NC. Given, I was never particularly looking for them, but I feel they would have been something I would have noticed... TonyBallioni (talk) 03:55, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
If your savior doesn't have the initials N.S., you're not much of a Southerner. Drmies (talk) 04:00, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
Srsly Tony, if you're in an article-writing mood, maybe you can write up Ingleside Presbyterian Church (San Francisco). Was watching something on PBS tonight and it moved me, but it's late. Drmies (talk) 04:08, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
Not my best piece of writing, but Draft:Ingleside Presbyterian Church is a start. I'll try to get back around to it later this weekend. Stalkers et amici are welcome to improve it. TonyBallioni (talk) 06:58, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Is Omar back?

Hello. Can you confirm for me that this WhoaOmar that I am planning to nominate for deletion is the same as this Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/OmarGosh that you nominated for deletion in 2017? Thanks and regards, Biwom (talk) 13:58, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

  • Same dude but very different article. Good luck. Drmies (talk) 14:43, 26 May 2019 (UTC)