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Hello, Grenouille vert, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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Best Actor Award (Vietnam Film Festival)[edit]

I added the expand tag because I felt that the subject deserved more than the two lines above the list that it was given, such as information on what organization started this award, when it was started, criteria for receiving the award, and so forth. until such information is added, I would prefer that the tag remains in place.RadManCF (talk) 16:39, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Alternately, if you intended the article to be a list, you could remove the tag, and rename the article so that it's status as a list is explicitly stated.RadManCF (talk) 16:41, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Oscar BP[edit]

  • I apologize. I didn't see your new article. Oh, just a little tip; if you want to make a massive edit (like you did with the Best Picture article), then it would be best to post something in the Discussion page at the top, so that other users can give their opinion. BalticPat22Patrick 02:16, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
  • Your registered account is two days old, which I consider very, very new. Nevertheless, it's great that there are people who are committed to creating reputable articles. To be honest with you, creating tables and categories for articles and section such as the Academy Award for Best Picture isn't really my specialty. I watch the article because of the widespread vandalism that erupts from people who want thier favorite movie to have the "Best Picture" accolade, instead of the actual film that won in the given year. I'll be happy to give suggestions, but I am not an expert in this particular field. BalticPat22Patrick 02:29, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Re: Tender Mercies[edit]

That looks great! Yeah, if you wouldn't mind adding it to the page, I'd really appreciate it! As you probably saw, I addressed some of your FAC comments, but will be getting to the rest either tonight or tomorrow. I'm working late tonight (working as we speak, actually, lol) but it'll be my first non-work priority. :) — Hunter Kahn (c) 22:49, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Yi Ui-min[edit]

Hello! I'm Ti2008, the young user of who talked in article Yi Ui-min. Do you have any English/French source about Yi Ui-min to improve this article? I think that many user in don't know Vietnamese, so they can't read Vietnamese source too. (talk) 04:40, 21 November 2009 (UTC)


Xin lỗi mấy hôm nay mình bận nên không biết chuyện GV đã rời wiki Việt. Xin cảm ơn GV đã luôn giúp đỡ mình trong suốt bao lâu nay. Chúc GV làm việc vui vẻ bên wiki Anh. Regards. Михаил Александрович Шолохов (talk) 07:45, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

p/s: mình định viết tiếng Anh vào đây luôn, nhưng ngẫm lại thấy mình khá dốt trong việc viết tiếng Anh nên lại thôi, mong GV thông cảm. Михаил Александрович Шолохов (talk) 07:45, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm Prof MK of Thank you Grenouille vert for your commment on Featured article candidates Frank Lampard and I hope you will come back soon.-- (talk) 07:47, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
I'm Ti2008 of Thank you for your talks in article vi: Suleiman I. Good luck in I hope you come back soon. And, did you read my talk about Yi Ui-min? (talk) 07:51, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your comments. I read them all, If I can do anything here for articles about Vietnam, I'll try, don't be worried! Grenouille vert (talk) 08:12, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanh you! So will you improve article Trinh Lord (Vietnamese Chua Trinh) ? It is really bad (example: The son and successor of Tring Sam was Trinh Man). (talk) 08:27, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

November 2009[edit]

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Tran emperors[edit]

Great work. The Viet history is not well covered in English books on stuff before the 1800s YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 02:33, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

You should nominate them for T:DYKT YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 02:36, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
OK, I will take a look.--AM (talk) 04:46, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
Are you considering to nominate your artcle in T:DYKT?--AM (talk) 04:47, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
@YellowMonkey & AM: I'm still waiting the result for DYKT of Quán Thánh Temple which I nominated three or four days ago, if that succeed then I'll have more confidence in nominating. But with YellowMonkey's support (thank you!) I'll give some nominations tomorrow. Grenouille vert (talk) 04:57, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
Well, the article is on the waiting list for about a week until it reaches the front so don't worry. If you wait until it is approved before submitting the next you can only get one article per week but you are producing much more, so don't worry. The sorucing is fine, and especially so on the emperors (proper textbooks) so put all of them in! I can copyedit and fix any grammar issues. The content won't be a problem. I used to be one of the main inspectors of DYK and did a lot of the processing, it's fine. Are you based in France? YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 05:13, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
I've just nominated some articles about Trần emperors for DYKT of November 22 and 23, if you find the hooks aren't interesting enough, please help me to improve them. And yes, I am in France now. Grenouille vert (talk) 12:41, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
the hooks aren't a big requirement. I'll copyedit them, sure YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 16:48, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
done. Also note it is "the death of " not "the decease". On another note, years are not linked anymore, as it is a waste of time, officially, and we use 1341–1354 not 1341-1354, same for the page ranges. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 00:14, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
Ok thank you! Writing for such a long time in vi wiki, now I'm still a newbie, so much to learn :). Grenouille vert (talk) 00:31, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
Remember to put suitable WikiProject template(s) into your article.--AM (talk) 14:15, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
Ok, I'll do it, thank you! Grenouille vert (talk) 19:03, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
OK, I will take a look and reply you ASAP.--AM (talk) 13:44, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Translation of Vương[edit]

The title Vương (王), while normally translated as "King", should be translated as "Prince" in the case of sons of the emperor who have not yet reached the throne. According to the article on Chinese nobility, the practice of giving the title Wang to sons of the emperor started in the Han Dynasty, when Liu Bang killed off his allies (who ruled their own kingdoms) and replaced them with members of his own family. DHN (talk) 21:27, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

It sounds reasonable, but under Trần Dynasty, this title was sometimes entitled or posthumously awarded to relative of the emperor, for example Bảo Nghĩa Vương Trần Bình Trọng (posthumously) or Hưng Nhượng Vương Trần Quốc Tảng (son of Trần Hưng Đạo), should we translate their title as Prince or King? Grenouille vert (talk) 21:44, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
In English the term "king" is used for ruling monarchs, but prince can be used for members of the monarch's family, not just his son, so "Prince" is more appropriate in most cases. DHN (talk) 22:03, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
Ok then, I'll change them all. Thanks for your advice. Grenouille vert (talk) 22:07, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
You can remmember that Wang was a title of the "sons of heaven" of Zhou dynasty, and the kings of Joseon dynasty. We can't say that they were 'prince'!Ti2008 (talk) 05:34, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
Remember that king in English refers to a ruler. Most Vietnamese "Vương" didn't rule anything at all. Therefore, explanations of DHN is reasonable.
IMO, the best way is to put an English translation next to the original title or vice versa. e.g. Thuận Đức Vương (Prince Thuan Duc) or Prince Thuan Duc (Thuận Đức Vương).--AM (talk) 13:54, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
You're right! I'll note the Vietnamese name besides, thank you. Grenouille vert (talk) 17:36, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Ok! But the title wang (Han-Viet: vuong) of the "sons of heaven" of Zhou dynasty and rulers of Joseon dynasty was king.Ti2008 (talk) 15:47, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Translation should be done accordingly, if they were ruler we would translate as king.--AM (talk) 01:02, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
Ok! The kings of Zhou dynasty, Ngo dynasty and Joseon dynasty were "vuong/wang".Ti2008 (talk) 08:01, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Noble title as pronoun[edit]

I agree, but only partially because I think that way of referring to a person is not NPOV and the old historical book such as Dai Viet Su Ky Toan Thu or Dai Nam Thuc Luc used given name or "middle name and given name" to refer to a person except rulers. But since a WP policy supports you; I have no choice but let it be and will follow this style of writing from now on. Best regards--AM (talk) 06:46, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

History of Vietnam[edit]

Well done. Are you planning to work on some Ly/Le Dynasty and Trinh/Nguyen Lords folks? Or Tay Son generals. Dao Duy Tu is still red :( YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 23:42, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, I still want to focus in medieval Vietnam, which means Early Lê, Lý, Trần and maybe Later Lê. Trịnh/Nguyễn period is much more complicated because the opinions from Vietnamese historians about this period are still diverse and change from time to time. But if I have time, I'll try, at least for some prominent figures like Đào Duy Từ. A long and winding road to go :(! Grenouille vert (talk) 04:04, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
Oh that's not a problem. I've barely gotten past Ngo Dinh Diem. On another note, it would be considered POV to refer to dynastic era writers as "feudal". Also do modern historians get information from other sources such as relics and old old documjents or do they just have to use what the various official chronicles by Ngo SI Lien, Le Quy Don etc say YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 08:55, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Tran Thu Do[edit]

An article doesnt have to be new for DYK, it only has to be 5X expansion, so TTD might make the length criteria. If they ask about copyediting the articels I can do it. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 04:00, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

You can submit at WP:MHCON as well, as almost all these folks were on the battlefield YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 04:54, 1 December 2009 (UTC)


Doesn't it sound like a modern term? Should we replace "official" with "mandarin" or "general"? e.g Tran Dynasty official -> Mandarins of Tran Dynasty.--AM (talk) 06:57, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

I'll try to find some source.--AM (talk) 16:10, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Origin of Trần Thừa[edit]

I found only a few book directly described the origin of Tran Thua, most information I have regard to origin of Tran Canh. Most of modern Vietnamese book use DVSKTT as their main source so I ignore them. There are two books which I considered the most noticeable book for your question:

The first book is Việt Sử địa dư, a book by Phan Dinh Phung, (Nghệ An Publishing House, 2008, p. 56) said that Tran Canh born in Tức Mặc, Thiên Trường.

The second book this a modern one named Việt Nam lược sử by Trần Hồng Đức, Văn hóa thông tin Publishing House, 2009, p. 128, said that Trần Lý , Trần Thừa and Trần Cảnh born in Tức Mặc, Thiên Trường and the author also cite that "there were also a branch of Trần clan lived in Lưu Gia village (now Hưng Hà, Thái Bình)".

In my opinion, I think that Trần Lý and Trần Thừa belonged the clan in Tức Mặc, Thiên Trường because most of temple worshipping Tran dynasty family members located in Nam Dinh.

Hope it would help you.--AM (talk) 16:10, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Queen vs empress[edit]

If you use the title of "emperor" for the rule, his first wife should bear the title of empress. And if the ruler bear the title of "king", his wife should bear the title "queen". SO I think that the category Category:Trần Dynasty queens is not suitable because you translate all Tran ruler emperor.

Would you mind considering to use the category Category:Trần Dynasty empresses instead?--AM (talk) 00:48, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Long dashes[edit]

Hi again. The long dashes that you use in the years of the person's life, 1324–1356 are also used in the page ranges like pp. 25–27, rather than the hyphens as well. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 00:32, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Ok, thanks! Grenouille vert (talk) 00:36, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

About Badagnani, don't get too worried about him, he likes ignoring UNDUE and WP:V all the time, deliberately, and also just look at his block log. You're contributions are very valuable. Also, is it possible to get more info on the religious life of Tran Nhan Tong? The Old shorter version did have it, although unsourced YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles finally at Featured topic candidates) 12:04, 5 December 2009 (UTC)


Thanks for your contributions about the Vietnamese imperial dynasties—it was great to learn from them about a period in history I don't know much of. I identified a few problems with the nomination of T:TDYK#Lý Chiêu Hoàng; could you have a look? Ucucha 04:16, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

And again, from me too YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles finally at Featured topic candidates) 01:36, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
Many thanks for your appreciation :)! Grenouille vert (talk) 05:50, 9 December 2009 (UTC)


That's allowed on film articles, as well YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles finally at Featured topic candidates) 01:36, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Yep, I forgot, again! Grenouille vert (talk) 05:50, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Pagoda debate with Badagnani[edit]

What article is this about? YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles finally at Featured topic candidates) 13:49, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Section headings[edit]

I think that section headings of Tran Dynasty is a bit too long and they make the article a bit redundant. I suggest that you should keep section headings as short as possible (no more than 6 words). e.g "Hồ Quý Ly and the downfall of Trần" could change to "the downfall of Trần Dynasty" or simply "Decline" because this article is about Trần Dynasty. Moreover, you could refer to the article Han Dynasty's style.--AM (talk) 14:16, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

I think we has enough source but unfortunately, most of them are Vietnamese and it require us has a good translation skill beside writing skill. Western scholars is not interested much in pre-1800 period of history of Vietnam, so find a good source is very hard. Oscar Chapius is one of rare English-speaking scholars who write about history of Vietnam throughoutly but his books are not excellent (a lot of typo and error). So up to now, the best way is getting used to it.
You could try to find a copy of the book "The Cambridge History of Southeast Asia" (ebook version) by using Google, this could help you a lot. Best regard.--AM (talk) 10:36, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
Yes, Chapuis is quite unreliable unless one's eyes are very alert and awake for suspiciuos stuff YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles finally at Featured topic candidates) 13:37, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
O. W. Wolters seems to be a very respected Western historian about Lý and Trần Dynasty but I can't approach with any of his works except the one I cited in the Trần Dynasty article, what a pity! Grenouille vert (talk) 09:57, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
My experience is that copying the sentence from these books and add more information from Vietnamese sources would ease your work a lot.--AM (talk) 14:44, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

[Request] Redesign the Vietnam portal[edit]

Hi Grenouille vert. Would you mind redesigning the Vietnam portal? The current one is a mess and need a major redesign (even the banner picture's copyright's status is a big question). If Vietnam portal was improved, i think we could introduce Wiki-readers VN-related articles easier and better. In addition, we could attract more editors to WikiProject Vietnam.--AM (talk) 05:34, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

I have though about it for a long time but it's out of my hand b/c I'm good at WikiCode and designing. And the Vietnam portal is not a big deal so I'll continue waiting. Thanks for your reply.--AM (talk) 08:40, 13 December 2009 (UTC)


Hi Grenouillle. Do any of your historical articles have specific days of the year. If so, you can put them in at selected anniversaries! YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 13:29, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

I'll take a look at WP:SA though it's difficult to determine an exact date because the Lý and Trần dynasties used the Lunar calendar. Grenouille vert (talk) 20:11, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion nomination of List of guitarists considered the greatest[edit]

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I have nominated List of guitarists considered the greatest, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of guitarists considered the greatest. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.

Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. The Evil IP address (talk) 19:30, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Any objections if we redirect this into the Guitarist article? Sorry I'm also a guitarist and Rolling Stone's idea of the best really annoys me LOL!!! Some of the polls really irritate me.... Dr. Blofeld White cat 12:42, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

My biggest concern is that considered the greatest in the title sends out the wrong message to our neutrality. This is problematic; "considered" by whom (the select few who vited in such polls) does this really reflect a world view in a neutral way across all countries and genres?? And how do you measure "greatest". Most influential, most technically advanced or what? By the looks of it the Rolling Stones list is geared towards most influential but most of the most influential, even Hendrix himself were not the most technically advanced of guitarists but are deemed "greater". Do you see my point? Any articles which contained those words violate WP:PEACOCK and WP:NPOV. The lists even if sourced are inherently very biased, with virtually all guitarists being American or British. There is no recognition of many guitarists from other genres or other countries. What about jazz greats like Larry Carlton, Al di Meola, Lee Ritenour, Robben Ford etc, what about classical guitarists greats like Paco de Lucia, Segovia and John Williams? I think the lists are heavily biased towards American popular rock music. If you must create these lists I think you should try to provide lists of other genres. For instance the Rolling Stone list is heavily biased towards blues rock guitarists because that is the music they and the listeners like. I love blues rock too and love many of the guitarists on the lists but I don't think an encyclopedia should covers what belongs in magazines... I've played the guitar for 19 years and have a big knowledge of guitarists and talents and yes some of the listings in such polls do annoy me. Like Kurt Cobain being in the top 20 and joe Satriani not even making the Rolling Stone list. If you are a guitarist which you might well be it seems ludicrous..... Dr. Blofeld White cat 13:08, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Check out this on youtube! This what I'm talking about when Rolling Stone and Time list Keith Richards and people as #4 or 10th best guitarist of all time. Satriani is more talented and more of a guitar wizard than many of the guitarists in those lists put together but he doesn't make it into Rolling Stone..... Grrr.. Then they go and list Kurt Cobain in the top 20 and and think he is a greater rock guitarist than MAB. Honestly... its like rating Kim Kardashian as a greater American than George Washington.... LOL. That's why some of the lists annoy me because it terms of talent and ability many in the list are way off being the greatest, rather they are the most popular or most influential.... Dr. Blofeld White cat 13:52, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Anyway LOL that's how I feel about it...!! But keep up your great work on Vietnam!!! All the best... Dr. Blofeld White cat 14:15, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

I don't want you to feel guilty. I just know that it is easy to think Slash and Jimmy Page are the best of all time when many who are accomplished guitarists know they are nowhere near as good as many people think and are wildly overated. There is a reason why many guitarists roll their eyes when they see the ordering in which such lists are compiled. I'll admit though that I love the big Les Paul sound of Slash and Jimmy Page and think they;ve written and played some awesome riffs and solos even if I don't consider them as the best in terms of playing ability. They are a great influence rather than a great player if you get what I mean.. If the list was more most influential or most popular guitarists then I'd think they were more along the right lines.... But it is the same with popular music. The charts today are dominated by seriously untalented people whether they are talentless rappers or dipsy girl groups and acts like Lady Gaga etc so popular charts have never been a real measure of talent or musical prowess. Its what appeals to the masses. At least virtually all the guitarists in those lists are decent musicians and have some level of talent though!! Jimmy Page will always be more popular than somebody like Larry Carlton but if you actually sit down and watch them playing and their ability and understanding what they are playing and their technique, terming people "greatest" becomes misguided..... Anyway, it looks like your list will be kept, I just hope it can be balanced out with some top jazz, straight blues and classical guitar lists maybe in which guitarists such as Larry Carlton, Al di Meola, Lee Ritenour, Robben Ford appear to balance out the coverageof electric rock guitarists..... If you are a fan of guitarists I can introduce you to some youtube videos you might enjoy..... If you have time check out Larry Carlton. Beautiful tone, superb player. And check out this classical trio Pure guitar talent!!! Dr. Blofeld White cat 15:00, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Anyway about Vietnam. I began cleaning up the districts about a year ago adding infoboxes and data and I started a few commune articles but unfortunately little info seemed available. If at some point we can get some data for the Communes of Vietnam I'd like to get all of the articls started on wikipedia. Vietnam is amongst the counties that need the most development on here.... Dr. Blofeld White cat 14:52, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

I've created a jazz list as it looks like this is going to be kept. If you could fill out:


# Guitarist Nationality Band Genre
01 Wes Montgomery
02 Django Reinhardt
03 Pat Metheny
04 Joe Pass
05 Charlie Christian
06 John McLaughlin
07 Allan Holdsworth
08 Grant Green
09 John Scofield
10 Jim Hall
11 Larry Coryell
12 Kenny Burrell
13 Bill Frisell
14 Larry Carlton
15 Pat Martino
16 Mike Stern
17 Al Di Meola
18 Lenny Breau
19 Herb Ellis
20 John Abercrombie
21 George Benson
22 Lee Ritenour
23 Tal Farlow
24 Lonnie Johnson
25 Eddie Lang

It is from the same sources as you used for the other 25 list. These lists contains most of the greats and are alot more respectable thatn the Rolling Stone one. If you can add this list filled out the balance will look a lot better.....

Viet history[edit]

Your editing break from this won't be permenent I hope? YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 05:16, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Dong Xuan Market[edit]

HI, can you expand this article, translate from Viet wikipedia or whatever? Dr. Blofeld White cat 23:00, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Hanoi Churches[edit]

Hi. I've also started Cua Bac Catholic Church, Ham Long Church, Phùng Khoang Church and Saint Joseph Cathedral (Hanoi). Would be good to get a lot of the articles on Vietnamese wiki into english. We need several hundreds clones of you and Mr. Yellowmonkey though! Dr. Blofeld White cat 18:42, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

No worries, Cua Bac Church is looking pretty great to me!!! Vietnam has long been a country dear to me as with much of central and eastern Asia and I've long wanted to dramatically increased our coverage of it on here. That;s a point I still have those district locator maps to make..... If you know of a source which can be used to write articles on the Communes of Vietnam let me know as sometime I'd like to get them all started.. Dr. Blofeld White cat 22:56, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Funnily enough we seem to share similar interests. I noticed you've eited some Hong Kong cinema related articles. I am a big fan of Hong Kong martial arts cinema and I started all of the film lists.... Most of the films are still missing though.... Dr. Blofeld White cat 23:01, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

hI. Can you expand and destub Cam Ranh. I can't believe how poor it is!! Dr. Blofeld White cat 21:49, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Great work on Vietnamese culture. WP:VIET really need more strong areas than history from 1802 onwards YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 03:52, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

OK, if that is your preference. I'll start transwikiying bridge articles later... Dr. Blofeld White cat 10:43, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Le Thanh Khoi on Le Van Duyet[edit]

Hi, do you have LTK's book on VN in France? It may have more info on LVD. Amore Mio put LVD up for WP:GAN but I was hoping for more meat, I had done some work on it in the past YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 03:01, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Lê Văn Thịnh[edit]

Hi, Grenouille vert, thanks for creating Lê Văn Thịnh. It was a fascinating read! I did some copyediting of the article and would appreciate it if you would take a look at my changes and see if I accidentally changed the meaning of any of the sentences in the article. Thanks, Cunard (talk) 09:02, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

My pleasure! Thank you for writing about Vietnamese topics, helping Wikipedia counter systemic bias. If you need any copyediting in the future, feel free to ask me. Cheers, Cunard (talk) 21:36, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Article assessments[edit]

you can just rate them Start or B as appropriate. You don't have to wait for an independent to do it, it's pretty obvious most of the time and self-rating is allowed unless it is GA or more YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 08:59, 25 January 2010 (UTC)


I nominated your article Bình Ngô đại cáo for DYK. If it's not fine with you, I can remove it. Joe Chill (talk) 02:06, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Hanoi 1000[edit]

Would you mind create an article named 1000th anniversary of Hanoi. (talk) 17:08, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

I'll do it but I cannot guarantee for a long article, so if you have time, please help me to improve it :). Grenouille vert (talk) 18:26, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
I've just created the page Millennial Anniversary of Hanoi, you can improve it by simply google +1000 +Hanoi and add information, of course I'll pay attention to this article. Grenouille vert (talk) 01:24, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Happy New Lunar Year[edit]

Chúc bạn một năm mới thành công và mọi điều tốt đẹp nhất.--AM (talk) 10:32, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Chúc mừng năm mới

Em chúc anh và gia đình một năm mới được nhiều sức khỏe, an lạc, và vạn sự như ý. YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars photo poll) 06:32, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Dong Ho paintings[edit]

Hi, please note that most of the images in the Dong Ho painting article are up for deletion on Commons. I don't know if there's anything to do about it. Alfons Åberg (talk) 20:22, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi! The paintings may have traditional motives, but there is no evidence the paintings photographed are in the public domain. Just looking at the images on the website you gave me one can see that the motives are similar but clearly different, and there is no evidence that the artist(s?!) who painted the images currently used are dead for long enough or have agreed to allow usage. We simply don't know who made the paintings and need evidence to establish the photos are free. Best Hekerui (talk) 20:49, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for your quick answer! The point is those pictures are printed (not painted) from pre-existed traditional woodblocks, only the pattern of colours may differ a little from one picture to another, so I think the copyright of the picture has to be chased back to the one of its woodblocks that is already expired (since they are transfered from many generations of makers). And those images that are stored in Common now are only two-dimension images of a public domain artwork, they should be considered in public domain too. Grenouille vert (talk) 21:15, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi Grenouille vert. I meant to disagree with that interpretation in my previous statement. However, I removed the deletion templates and will start a proper deletion discussion for community consensus some other day. I'm merely concerned with the possiblity of Commons hosting copyrighted material. Best regards Hekerui (talk) 00:32, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

One other thing[edit]

I wanted to ask you something. I've played around with starting a page on the Vietnamese Wikipedia, and so I built an article Ram Narayan. However, then someone wanted to delete it so I added some sentences translated by Google to show notability. They are surely wrong, perhaps you could do me a favor and look at them or perhaps translate the introduction properly? I'm sorry to bother you with this but I don't think the article needs deletion. Thank you very much! Hekerui (talk) 00:41, 17 February 2010 (UTC)


I see that you have received many achievements and good charisma in here. Because I am really bad at literature, I cannot say very much but to congratulate you on that and wish you every success in both Wikipedia and real life. With respect. Михаил Александрович Шолохов (talk) 16:28, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

p/s: please forgive me if I made some spelling or grammar mistakes. I am still not used to write English. Михаил Александрович Шолохов (talk) 16:28, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Want more?[edit]

Please take a look at [1] and [2]? It's cool, doesn't it? You might try to create an article about her. And when you do, do you think that it could be nominated for DYK? (talk) 06:21, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Sorry NapoleonQuang, but sensational stuff is not my line. Grenouille vert (talk) 08:48, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Vietnam People's Army[edit]

I wanted to thank you very much for your hard work on the Ministry of Defence and the four corps pages. While I've been looking at armies worldwide, the only thing I've managed to do for Vietnam was 308 Division (Vietnam), which no doubt you could improve on. I wanted to ask you about the rest of the VPA Ground Forces. The International Institute for Strategic Studies Military Balance 2008 says that the Ground Forces have a total of 14 corps and 58 divisions. Are these other formations located in the military regions and the Hanoi capital command? Where would you direct me to find out more details about them? Kind regards and thanks again for your work, Buckshot06 (talk) 20:54, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks very much for your answer. Do you have a soft copy of the latest White Book of the Vietnam MOD? Could you send it to me? Buckshot06 (talk) 10:25, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
Thanks again. I can figure out how to get it translated. I'm sorry, given you had listed open details of the four corps and the divisions within them, I thought the openness situation had improved somewhat. I'm sorry if my request at the Vi-wiki embassy may be considered to be asking about material which is still sensitive. Apologies if this is the case. Buckshot06 (talk) 10:50, 1 April 2010 (UTC)


You haven't left have you??? :( YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 01:26, 10 March 2010 (UTC)


Chào Grenouille vert , xin bạn giúp tội xác định vùng lãnh thổ cai trị của các thủ lĩnh khởi nghĩa Hồng Cân: Trần Hữu Lượng, Trần Lí, Trương Sĩ Thành, Minh Ngọc Trân, Hàn Lâm Nhi, Từ Thọ Huy, Minh Thăng, Phương Quốc Trân, Quách Tử Hưng, Lý Tự Thành, Trương Hiến Trung, Ngô Tam Quế. Nếu bạn không biết xin nhờ các thành viên khác giúp tôi. Thanks!--Zhou dynasty (talk) 06:17, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Hello and goodbye :). Grenouille vert (talk) 08:49, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

A request[edit]

Hi, Grenouille vert. I know you are busy with the English wikipedia, but, would you mind come to the part "Tên bài" of vi:Thảo luận:Đế quốc Byzantine and provide your opinion there ? Thank you very much. With warmest regards. Михаил Александрович Шолохов (talk) 06:34, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, anyway. By the way, why were you absent for so long ? I guess you were very busy, weren't you ? Михаил Александрович Шолохов (talk) 12:09, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
p/s: I have a weird idea that the member Zhou dynasty is Minh to a.k.a Trương Hoàng Phong. Михаил Александрович Шолохов (talk) 12:09, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Tem thư[edit]

Hi, could you make them aware on the talk page of vi:Tem thư that there is an article on Postage stamps of Vietnam at en:wikipedia? They don't have a matching article at vi:wikipedia. Thank you. Alfons Åberg (talk) 04:25, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Alfons Åberg (talk) 15:37, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
@Alfrons: Thanks for reminding. I will take note of it. Михаил Александрович Шолохов (talk) 12:36, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi there, for a long time I had not seen you on Vietnamese Wikipedia, but your arrival on 12th April is a big suprprise. Are you intending to come back ? Михаил Александрович Шолохов (talk) 12:35, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Stone stele records of imperial examinations of the Lê and Mạc dynasties[edit]

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On a Han tu rampage YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 07:05, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Hello again. Can you watchlist Christianity in Vietnam and Roman Catholicism in Vietnam on your watchlist. One Christian POV-pusher is tagging it as a hoax because he doesn't like the stuff about Catholics trying to overthrow Minh Mang etc and fighting for the French invasion. He said on Talk:Roman Catholicism in Vietnam that the Catholic Encyclopedia is the only reliable source (CE is by the Vatican and only says that Catholics were massacred for no reason and censors everything except punishment of Catholics) YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 07:14, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Help with Gia Lam Airport - DYK submission[edit]

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You wrote in spanish wikipedia: Hi everyone, excuse me for writing in English because I cannot speak Spanish. Someone can help me find out the name of this song about Maradona? I believe that it is written in Italian but I cannot understand the lyrics to google its name and those folks at Italian Wikipedia cannot find out the name either. Here at Spanish Wikipedia I'm sure that there's a lot of Maradona's supporters, so I hope that someone can help me. Thank you very much! Grenouille vert (discusión) 16:17 1 may 2010 (UTC)

This song I think is an napolitanean one. It must be composed in the years that Maradona played fon Napoli team. Its a popular song, like "tarantela", tipical from sauth Italy. Better you search for information in italian or napolitanian wikipedias. Excuse my english.--Caetano Bresci (talk) 04:20, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Selected anniversaries[edit]

Found a thing from Amore Mio at WT:VIET that converts Lunar to Solar, so the anniversaries can now be put to a European day. I've doen a few for you YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 04:20, 6 July 2010 (UTC)


Xin chào, tôi là Lonelyking rất mong được làm quen. Cho tôi hỏi bạn có biết tiếng Hán không? (chỉ hỏi vậy thôi).--Lonelyking (talk) 07:50, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Xin chào, tôi không biết tiếng Hán nhưng tôi có thể đọc chữ Hán thông qua từ điển. Đây là Wikipedia tiếng Anh nên có lẽ chúng ta nên trao đổi bằng tiếng Anh. Thân. Grenouille vert (talk) 08:08, 19 August 2010 (UTC)


More deliveries incoming YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 06:58, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

And some more YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 08:07, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
And more YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 08:44, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Have you seen any of Canpark's articles. I think his sources are basically hoaxes and aren't usable YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 02:02, 1 September 2010 (UTC)


Some guy flooding Diem and family with Chinese again YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 23:45, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you![edit]

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When I created article Mạc Đĩnh Chi I linked to Trần Anh Tông, Trần Minh Tông and Trần Hiến Tông. I think these were all your work. You truly are a tireless contributor and I am delighted to see that you have not left en.wp In ictu oculi (talk) 04:07, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your appreciation :)! Grenouille vert (talk) 04:10, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
Seriously I stand in awe of your contributions. My own days in Vietnam are 20 years ago, I have forgotten most of the language and culture, but I can remember enough to appreciate what you have done. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:48, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
I have restored your edit on chầu văn, more importantly added 4 musicological reference works. Are you interested in Vietnamese traditional music by any chance? In ictu oculi (talk) 14:28, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
Hmm. It has been moved back again and a redirect history created at chầu văn which prevents it being restored. It is however the only one in the category which is "anglicized" and a WP:RM request by yourself would have my support. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:54, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(Vietnamese)#RfC_on_spelling[edit]

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(Vietnamese)#RfC_on_spelling. KarlB (talk) 13:57, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

un-discussed article moves[edit]

So you can see the scope of it, see here [3]; this list shows 2500 moves since 2011 by Kauffner; they aren't all VN diacritics moves, but the bulk of them are. While I do agree that words such as Saigon and Hanoi should be kept with no-diacritic spelling, there are hundreds of VN topics which are not at all widely known or written about (such as names of districts, small towns, etc) and I see no reasons for these renames. The question is, what do to about it? Kauffner has cleverly edited the redirects, so we can't revert the moves. It seems the only solution would be a mass RM to move a number of them back to the correct spelling. --KarlB (talk) 16:48, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

I think it's nearer 1400; the list above shows 950 articles, + speedy requests to admins may be another 500. But in any case it's extreme.
I got your message earlier, thanks. By the way I was inspired by your different meanings for pho and added it to Category:Requested moves, please check that what I have written is correct. Many thanks. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:17, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
In answer, really I don't know. In the short term it is necessary to go to WP:RM and add Support/Oppose to each and every relevant move discussion separately, one by one, that is the only honest and open way. I know it is tiresome and time consuming. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:56, 29 July 2012 (UTC)


Can you record the pronunciation of the word cà rốt in the audio please ? Fête —Preceding undated comment added 19:00, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Near homonyms[edit]

Hi, do you know of any others? In ictu oculi (talk) 09:39, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! Incidentally, do you know User talk:༆ ... he also has been active on WP:RM voting to restore Vietnamese names, but he has a Tibetan name(!). Does ༆ even display on your computer? In ictu oculi (talk) 12:52, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

...Hi, I should tell you about your restore of the article you made Proclamation of Victory Over the Wu back to Bình Ngô đại cáo. Of course I agree with restoring it, as a book title found in English sources, but this kind of restore-move really is not a good idea. The moment you turn your back your article can (and probably will) be moved straight back again to Proclamation of Victory Over the Wu and then be redirect-edit locked permanently. I said the same to ༆ and other editors who have wanted to restore titles; the process is WP:RM, unless editors actually go to WP:RM and take part in the WP:RM, they have no voice. A move like you just made, even restoring an undiscussed move to your own article will be seen as "disruptive" or "edit warring" - even though you are restoring your own article. I have received a considerable amount of personal abuse over the last 2 months for supporting use of Vietnamese (though actually I would be happy with articles simply being left as they were a year ago), even though I have tried to go by RM, to revert moves counter RM, see Talk:Cà Mau. And no one will notify you "hey Grenouille vert, please see Talk:Cà Mau!" because that is against the rules. Unless editors themselves check WP:RM, no one will inform them. Restoring Bình Ngô đại cáo, isn't the way the procedure works. I guess vi.wp doesn't have a WP:RM, I haven't seen it (but then I guess vi.wp editors don't argue about anglicizing Vietnamese names, haha!). Take care. In ictu oculi (talk) 23:51, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Okay :) .. believe me I understand, but I took a beating for reverting 80 of 800 VN towns move counter the Talk:Cà Mau1/Cần Thơ]] RMs, so I'm certain en.wp admins are not going to stand up for Talk:Cà Mau RM results. I have said to User talk:༆ that I won't do any more RMs, but I will support those that others put in. After seeing Talk:Mỹ Linh that Kauffner claimed "articles that I wrote" when he hadn't written any of them, and then getting further attacking by that English teacher in Japan, I've had enough, sorry. Time is better spent creating articles. I just added 9 members of the London 2012 VN paralympic team, seemed a more productive use of time. You take care. Good to know you In ictu oculi (talk) 05:06, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
When Bình Ngô đại cáo pops up on GBooks, it is never free standing, but always with a translation. This is the same type of title that we used to translate together for French, Latin, and Hebrew. Kauffner (talk) 04:56, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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For being a "content provider" :) In ictu oculi (talk) 04:57, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

National Day (Vietnam), two sources added, orange banner removed, added Talk page tags, extra paragraph on when it was adopted, and a note to the admin to add it to anniversaries list. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:06, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

....and User:howcheng has now listed it for Sept 2 In ictu oculi (talk) 14:25, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

cà rem[edit]

Cà rem is pronounce "ca rem" or "ca zem" ? Fête (talk) 11:29, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

It is pronounced with "r" as "ca rem", NOT "ca zem". Thank you for your interesting question :) Grenouille vert (talk) 12:32, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

English r or Spanish r ? Fête (talk) 16:06, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

English r, Spanish r is too strong. Grenouille vert (talk) 16:10, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

xà lách[edit]

Xà lách is pronounced "sa lat" or "sa lack" ? Fête (talk) 20:58, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

second option - "sa lack" :) Grenouille vert (talk) 06:33, 3 October 2012 (UTC)


Do you knew Québécois pronounce "fight" for the word fête. Fête (talk) 11:29, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

da ua[edit]

Da ua is pronounced "zah oouh" or "yah oouh" ? Fête (talk) 16:22, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

First one. Grenouille vert (talk) 01:23, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

trà and chả[edit]

Trà and chả are pronounced as the same way ? Fête (talk) 16:24, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Totally different. Grenouille vert (talk) 17:14, 4 October 2012 (UTC)


Can you record the word "cà rốt" in the audio please ? Answer me now please ! Fête (talk) 17:43, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

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Khúc Hạo[edit]

Hi. I notice that an article you created, Khúc Hạo, was anglicized. I intend to restore it by RM. Before I do, are there any other historical biographies you created which were similarly stripped of Vietnamese spelling? In ictu oculi (talk) 05:06, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi, we can but do our best, thanks for your message. I put in at WP:RM to restore Ly Anh Tong In ictu oculi (talk) 07:48, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
...which went to Talk:Lý Anh Tông with no opposition, see also Talk:Dục Đức Talk:Bắc Ninh Province and Talk:Vĩnh Long. I hope maybe you will review your decision not to contribute new articles to en.wp while what you called vandalism was ongoing. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:20, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
FYI... this also I hope may lead you to reconsider your decision to leave en.wp. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:35, 12 August 2013 (UTC)


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What is the difference ? (talk) 20:53, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

RfC relating to Vietnamese geo article titles[edit]

Since you participated in Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Vietnamese)/Archive 2 you may wish to be informed of Talk:Gia Bình District#RfC: Should non-exonym Vietnam geo article titles have Vietnamese alphabet spellings?. Thank you. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:55, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

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