User talk:Jonathunder

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Missed email correspondence[edit]

Hi there Jonathunder, I just logged back in to Wikipedia after... hm... a while ;) I see a notification that you emailed me about the Heather Dale wiki page, but Gmail has conveniently eaten the email, and I am not sufficiently experienced with the wiki system to know if there's a way to retrieve a local copy. Would you mind emailing me again? Cheers, --Oh And Ben (talk) 23:59, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

NRHP contributions, tool available[edit]

Hi Jonathunder, thank you for your many contributions on NRHP topics, including new article Swede Prairie Progressive Farmers' Club just now, which showed up on my watchlist because it happened to link to some article i created. But hey, it looks to me like you must be painfully constructing NRHP infoboxes, when there is a much easier way available. Also you hand-created an NRHP document reference, when there is a fuller pre-prepared reference available to copy-paste, which also includes link to the available accompanying photos.

In the current article, the refnum showing in the infobox is incorrect, I guess probably a not-yet-fixed copy from a different infobox. If you do click on it, it brings you to NRHP doc and photos for a different site. When creating new articles (at least for NRHP listings before some date in 2014), try using the "NRHP infobox generator" created/supported by editor Elkman, starting at E.g. what you see for this NRHP is yield for the Swede Prairie topic. Note that includes mostly filled-out infobox which you can/should further customize a bit. It has the refnum already and some more stuff. It would be easier to start an article by copy-pasting that in, rather than customizing from a completely different NRHP site.

Also it includes a good draft NRHP document reference:

<ref name="nrhpdoc">{{cite web|url={{NRHP url|id=86001331}}|title=National Register of Historic Places Inventory/Nomination: Swede Prairie Progressive Farmers' Club |publisher=[[National Park Service]]|author= |date= |accessdate=April 22, 2019}} With {{NRHP url|id=86001331|photos=y|title=accompanying pictures}}</ref>

Which includes link to the accompanying photos. What I do is further customize that reference, to add the author and date of prep (like you did already in your reference), and further to add a count of the number of photos and to mention the photos' year(s):

<ref name="nrhpdoc">{{cite web|url={{NRHP url|id=86001331}}|title=National Register of Historic Places Inventory/Nomination: Swede Prairie Progressive Farmers' Club |publisher=[[National Park Service]]|author=Susan Granger |date=May 1985 |accessdate=April 22, 2019}} With {{NRHP url|id=86001331|photos=y|title=accompanying two photos from 1984-85}}</ref>

That reference displays as:[1]


  1. ^ Susan Granger (May 1985). "National Register of Historic Places Inventory/Nomination: Swede Prairie Progressive Farmers' Club". National Park Service. Retrieved April 22, 2019. With accompanying two photos from 1984-85

Oh I see you used " |last=Granger |first=Susan ", which is a bit better I guess, instead of just "|author=Susan Granger".

I hope there is some helpful info for you here. Basically you should just start at or, and search for your NRHP. There is some more info about this at wp:NRHPHELP, too. Any which way you choose to do it, I am just glad you are contributing, and I hope you keep up your good work! cheers, --Doncram (talk) 00:00, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

ArbCom 2019 special circular[edit]

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OTD June 5[edit]

I undid your edit on Selected anniversaries/June 5, because you took out two items that were having significant anniversaries (10th and 30th). I do appreciate the help, though I would prefer if you edit dates that I haven't done yet (in the page history, I'll have an edit with the summary "update for [year]"). Thanks. howcheng {chat} 15:49, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

So now I saw your edit on June 4 too. If Tiananmen was eligible again, that pushes Tank Man out of June 5, but the 2009 item still gets priority. Also, three of the items you picked (Daming, Antonio Luna, and Congo Civil War) were on last year, and June 5 happens to have a large pool of eligible articles, so it would be preferable to give some of those other items a chance (see the talk page for each year's change log). Thanks again. howcheng {chat} 16:14, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for the feedback and for your efforts as well to make the Main Page what it is. Jonathunder (talk) 21:50, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Mayo Clinic history[edit]

Hi, Jonathunder! I requested updates to History at Mayo Clinic. If you are still interested in updating this article, I appreciate your feedback.

Thanks! Audrey at Mayo Clinic (talk) 14:34, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Jonathunder! I updated my requested updates to History at Mayo Clinic based on your thoughts. If you are still interested in updating this article, I really appreciate your feedback. Audrey at Mayo Clinic (talk) 19:40, 23 August 2019 (UTC)


I've been generally saddened by the resignations in the wake of Framgate, and noticed that you had turned in the admin bit and are planning to step away from this site. While it's been awhile since we crossed paths, I recall you as an outstanding, thoughtful editor and admin, and Wikipedia will be poorer for your absence. I completely understand the reasons behind it—I just wanted to say that you've had a very positive impact here; I will miss running into you here and there, and I wish you luck in whatever you do with your reclaimed Wikipedia time. :) Take care. MastCell Talk 23:25, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Many thanks for all your hard work over the year. Best Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 00:16, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
Welcome back :-) Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 22:04, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

with thanks[edit]

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some wildflowers of thanks and understanding --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:44, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

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Sad to See You Leave[edit]

It is with sincere disappointment that I saw that you are phasing out of the project and I will be the first to welcome you back. If you ever find yourself driving through my neck of the woods, my coffee pot is always on! -- Dolotta (talk) 17:15, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

I shared Dolotta's disappointment, and so I'm happy to see you back. Vanamonde (Talk) 19:26, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

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Hi, forgive me for being a busybody, but a couple of things about WP:CBAN. First, the ban is usually recorded at WP:Editing restrictions. Second, although not required, you can place a tag on the editor's userpage. A non-administrator did that, and I reverted because it's your call and because non-admins shouldn't be tagging other editor's userpages anyway.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:56, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Regarding WP:Editing restrictions[edit]

Hi, I believe that Mzmadmike shouldn't have been placed in Editing Restrictions, because it states that "editors who are subject to site bans are listed at Category:Banned Wikipedia users instead". Feel free to ignore this if I'm incorrect, that's just how I understand it and I wanted to bring it up to you. Best, -- Rockstonetalk to me! 01:55, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

I think you're right, but I was just following the instructions in the above section. Jonathunder (talk) 02:01, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
Well, I would undo it, but I really don't feel like drawing any more ire against Bbb23 (They're also wrong about non-administrators not being allowed to place CBAN tags on users, but that's a separate issue). I guess maybe ask another admin? -- Rockstonetalk to me! 02:06, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
There's nothing to undo because Jonathaunder hasn't put the user in editing restrictions. However, you bring up an interesting point because editing restrictions does say what you said, but that conflicts with WP:CBAN. If you want to do something useful, I would go to the talk page of WP:CBAN and point out the discrepancy because it should be resolved. As for the category, when Jonathaunder undid my revert at the user's userpage the ban tag automatically places the user in the category, but it's a hidden category. Hope this helps a bit.--Bbb23 (talk) 02:16, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
Oops, I'm wrong, Jonathunder edited a section of it, and that doesn't show up in the history of the overall page. I'm not sure what I'd do at this point, but I think I'd undo the editing restriction edit, at least for the moment, but I don't see any of this as urgent, and I'm going off-wiki now.--Bbb23 (talk) 02:19, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
I'll go make a note on the talk page of WP:CBAN about it, thank you for the suggestion! I think the reason indefinite bans aren't supposed to be listed in Editing Restrictions is for the same reason we don't have LOBU anymore: basically they just amount to gravedancing. At least, that's how I understand it. -- Rockstonetalk to me! 02:25, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
Quick edit: I think the intent is that a community site-ban sanction be logged by adding the banned user template to the user page, which is what I was trying to do when I applied the template to Mzmadmike's userpage (which like you said, causes it to show up in the list of banned users category, which is what we would want). That's at least how I reconciled current practice (posting the CBAN template on a userpage) with what it says. Like I said, I'll make a post about it in the talk page. I almost think I should make a post at the village pump regarding revising the whole way we do community site bans. -- Rockstonetalk to me! 02:29, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Selected anniversaries/August 1[edit]

Ottavio Bottecchia has been tagged with needing ref improvement. Can you help remedy that? Otherwise, if I can't fix it myself, I may be forced to replace him. Thanks. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 15:34, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

I replaced him with Kurmanbek Bakiyev (b. 1949) as this will be his 70th birthday and the article is better referenced. Feel free, of course, to undo that or replace with a third person if you find someone better. Jonathunder (talk) 16:41, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

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Pete Buttigieg Protection[edit]

Hi there,

I see in the history of the article that you AC-ed it today for a week, but the padlock doesn't seem to have appeared - could you confirm that you added the {{}} bit of it? Or that there isn't another issue at play?

It may need EC-protection if another AC-permissioned editor vandalises it.

Nosebagbear (talk) 17:15, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for the note. When I've protected a page in the past, I think a bot or someone who attends to such things has applied the padlock, but to be perfectly honest, I haven't paid attention. Can anyone watching this page do what is needed or tell me what to do? Jonathunder (talk) 16:56, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
Judging from a previous protection action, it looks like you have to add the Page protection template manually. | Uncle Milty | talk | 17:07, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for September 16[edit]

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