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Not to bother you, but[edit]

I'm not sure who to advise. It appears the Labasan is back under the name Jobee Dalog Labasan. There are about 50 strange edits today involving infobox images on pope pages. I've started to rv some. Cheers. Mannanan51 (talk) 06:11, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

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Turcoman?[edit]

What do you think of these edits?[1] Are you, by any chance, able to view the sources? Given "Retrieverlove"'s editorial pattern, I wonder whether the two new names he added to the list were actually of Turcoman origin, or whether this is just another unsourced addition. - LouisAragon (talk) 12:50, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

The actual name of the book, The Muslim World, Part III:The Last Great Muslim Empires.
According to this copy, page 210, there is a family tree of sorts.
First off; for the mother of Ismail III it shows Maryam Begum or Khan Aqa Begum. Apparently retrieverlove chose the first. Secondly; it shows a Sharbanu married to Mirza Da'ud Husayni and their child being Sayyid Muhammad Husayni. I do not see a Suleiman II(the article shows his given name as Mir Sayyed Mohammad Marashi) on this page. And, there is no mention of ethnicity on page 210.
Do you think Mir Sayyed Mohammad Marashi = "Sayyid Muhammad Husayni"? --Kansas Bear (talk) 19:20, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
Yes, I believe the Sayyid Muhammad Husayni mentioned in the book, is the same person as Mir Sayyed Mohammad Marashi/Suleiman II. Given usual Safavid practise, for Queen Mothers post-Abbas I, chances are very low that the two women in question were in fact Turcomans. Regardless of the hoax addition here on Wiki. My gut says the edits need to be reverted per WP:VER and WP:OR. Would you agree? - LouisAragon (talk) 17:33, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
If Turcoman is the contested issue, then yes. Since the book in question makes no mention of ethnicity. --Kansas Bear (talk) 17:39, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Qara khitai[edit]

Mark r.v southern 

Contagious Couplings: Transmission of Expressives in Yiddish Echo Phrases is The book about qara khitai and p 77 Brazil38 (talk) 14:30, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

Why give me Edit warning so fast i havet source on qara khitai Brazil38 (talk) 14:32, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

Juha jahnunen his book the mongol languages says The were turkicized too... Brazil38 (talk) 14:48, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

The book is from 2006 and i think If som one must havet a Edit warning The it is you Brazil38 (talk) 14:53, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

Mark Southern, a linguist, making a statement(who later Turkicized) in passing about the Qara Khitai in a field(history) he has no specialization, in a book about Yiddish Echo Phrases. Biran, also, does not state the Qara Khitai were Turkicized. More source misrepresentation. Clearly this is not your first time editing, so what other name(s) have you edited under? --Kansas Bear (talk) 15:27, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

Qara khitai are often referred to as infidel turks read birans book page 143 !! You hide important facts! Brazil38 (talk) 15:30, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

Clearly you can not read. Note exactly who refers to them as "infidel turks"(ie. footnote 91!). Typical POV pushing from a sockpuppet! That being said, do not post here again. --Kansas Bear (talk) 15:36, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

Persianate culture[edit]

Please take a look at the references I provided on my own user page about the issue of Persianate culture. The sources are written by actual experts on Turkish and Ottoman history, and are not passing references to it in the context of other discussions, as were the quotes that you gave. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.232.251.99 (talk) 20:23, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Göktürks and Maenchen-Helfen's book[edit]

Could you review this edit and compare sourced text with the book to see if they match or not?[2] Also consider these edits too.[3], [4], and [5]. Plus I enabled my email feature. --Wario-Man (talk) 06:47, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

It is and I reverted Beshogur. --Kansas Bear (talk) 06:53, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
Needs a discussion on talk page for the possible future incidents. Please add it to your watchlist. Thanks. --Wario-Man (talk) 07:08, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
Will do.
Also, the Ashina article needs to be expanded, especially the Origin section. The Etymology part needs to be sectioned off, along with the Genetic part. The sources for the Origin section need to be checked and verified. Maybe once that part of the Ashina article is written and sourced, then the nonsense on Gokturks will be resolved. --Kansas Bear (talk) 07:10, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
I completely agree with you. We can improve it. --Wario-Man (talk) 07:18, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
Here is Maenchen-Helfen's book. I have asked for a quote concerning the Ashina on the Gokturk talk page. --Kansas Bear (talk) 07:34, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

I really doubt that user is neutral. Who calls an edit like this as "fix"?[6] Plus [7], [8], [9]. As I said, some users should always watch and check his edits. He reminds me of several sockmaster cases (past and current ones). I don't know why all of them behave similar. Is it a common WP:BATTLEGROUND + nationalism mentality? From Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/EMr KnG to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Joohnny braavoo1 and some others. And why this another guy involved himself in edit warring?[10] --Wario-Man (talk) 10:08, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Perhaps of use[edit]

Though its all straightforward and basic information (I hadn't seen the paper before I think, though perhaps you had); Matthee, Rudi (2010). Was Safavid Iran and Empire?. Journal of the Economic and Social History of the Orient: 53. pp. 233-265.

Ethnic diversity;

"In its ethnic make-up, the Safavid realm was more heterogenous than in its religious diversity. The country was populated by Persians, Turks, and Arabs, in addition to a multitude of smaller, less prominent groups such as Baluchis, Kurds, Lurs, Turkmen, Circassians, and Lezghis. Further ethno-religious diversity was introduced with the transfer of large numbers of Armenians and Georgians, from their ancestral homelands, which were annexed by Safavid Iran (...) The country's domestic Armenians formed a sizeable group (...)" -- p. 240

Language of culture from the Balkans to India;

"Persian was also the language of culture, above all of poetry--as it was for the entire area between the Balkans and the Deccan--where it functioned as a lingua franca." -- p. 244

Diminishing of influence of the Turkomans;

"Beginning in the sixteenth century, the Safavids, seeking to curtail thepower and influence of the unruly tribal Turkman forces, introduced a new service elite without tribal ties consisting of Armenian, Georgian, and Circassian “slaves.” As said, these ghulams were given high-ranking positions in the military and the administration following their formal conversion to Islam. With a new identity came a new name. Many were named Rustam or Khusraw, names from the Shahnamah with links to the ancient mythical past." -- p. 245

- LouisAragon (talk) 18:23, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Well the IP on the Persianate article would ignore this sentence entirely.
  • "Persian was also the language of culture, above all of poetry--as it was for the entire area between the Balkans and the Deccan--where it functioned as a lingua franca." -- p. 244
Although the journal article does sound familiar. --Kansas Bear (talk) 18:45, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
Inspired by your recent discovery; seen this? [11]
Another jackpot. - LouisAragon (talk) 01:48, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
Oh DAMN! Very nice! Excellent job, LA! --Kansas Bear (talk) 03:09, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
More cool stuff; probably the most in-depth work I've ever seen in English, to date, regarding the situation in Daghestan in the Safavid/Afsharid/Zand/Qajar and early Russian periods. All governors/vassals/subject rulers, and a thorough explanation on "how it all worked".[12] - LouisAragon (talk) 22:52, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
Excellent. Bookmarked! --Kansas Bear (talk) 02:17, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

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Abbas Mirza, New Cambridge Medieval History[edit]

I noticed in Spencer C. Tuckers, A Global Chronology of Conflict: From the Ancient World to the Modern Middle East, as well as Axworthy's A History of Iran: Empire of the Mind (as well as other titles), that the Qajars managed to retake the city of Ganja during the offensive of 1826. The city was retaken without a battle, apparently, for the Russians simply surrendered it/withdrew from it. Do you think this event, which didn't culminate in a so-called "pitched battle, deserves a separate article? Or should it just be lumped into existing articles?

I also sent you a reply regarding your inquiry about Dean's chapter in the Cambridge Medieval History (vol. 5). The Ezzelino's are indeed an odd case. Looking forward to your response.

- LouisAragon (talk) 20:25, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

The retaking of Ganja falls under the notability concerns; was the retaking of Ganja(ie. simply marching in and occupying the city) notable? Probably not enough for a separate article. A simple mention in the overall war would suffice.
Will check Cambridge Medieval History vol. 5. Thanks! --Kansas Bear (talk) 20:39, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXL, December 2017[edit]

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Happy Saturnalia![edit]

Pompeii - Osteria della Via di Mercurio - Dice Players.jpg Happy Saturnalia
Wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season, from the horse and bishop person. May the year ahead be productive and troll-free and you not often get distracted by dice-playing. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:59, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
Thanks!--Kansas Bear (talk) 15:21, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Some issues[edit]

Could you take a look at these articles and some claims by a specific user?

Seems that user has a pro-Pashtun/Afghan pov. The cited sources do not look WP:RS and I think the RS ones like Oxford are just misrepresentation and his original researches.@LouisAragon: Don't you agree with me? --Wario-Man (talk) 14:52, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

@Wario-Man: I'll go through them quickly, one by one;
- [21] - [22] Textbook WP:TENDENTIOUS (i.e. self-formulated WP:OR, using Wikipedia as source, giving own twist to primary sources / outdated sources)
- [23] No evidence, no counter sources. Just a collection of loose words shot into the air.
- [24] Removed sourced content (Britannica), copy-pasted the same source (CE) once more, and dropped it behind the word "Pashtun" (which was non-existent prior to his edit).
- [25] Iranica doesn't confirm the material he added, "freewebs.com" looks well within the non-RS range.
- [26] Added WP:OR and an outdated source on the Khalji page.
- [27] In line with everything above; more self-formulated OR.
Add to that the two personal attacks,[28]-[29] and you've got yourself a gentleman playing extremely incautiously with fire. So yeah, I would have to agree with you. - LouisAragon (talk) 19:25, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Verification and please comment[edit]

Is this legit or a strong source for such a big claim?[30] How can I verify this "Cambridge Encyclopedia"?

  • Cambridge Encyclopedia Vol. 8, pg. 2246, "Bactria - Geography, History, Tokharistan, Archaeological sites", with this quote "The Bactrians are one of the ancestral lines of the modern-day Pashtuns, Tajiks, of Central Asia."

Isn't it outdated or dubious? And please comment on Talk:Bactria#bactrian_people. The edit warrior/new user is now teaching me the Wikipedia rules and turned the whole conversation into a personal fight! I don't know how to deal with him. Need your help. --Wario-Man (talk) 08:00, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, I was unable to find anything. You might ask Doug Weller, he dabbles in archaeology. As it stands right now, they have a source, a page number and a quote, until you or someone else can refute what that source states, they can use it in the article. --Kansas Bear (talk) 14:13, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Bournoutian (2016)[edit]

I thought you might be interested in this material from Bournoutian's new book. Sorry in advance if you think I cluttered your talk page!

Bournoutian, George A. (2016). The 1820 Russian Survey of the Khanate of Shirvan: A Primary Source on the Demography and Economy of an Iranian Province prior to its Annexation by Russia. Gibb Memorial Trust.;

p. xvi

"As noted, in order to construct an Azerbaijani national history and identity based on the territorial definition of a nation, as well as to reduce the influence of Islam and Iran, the Azeri nationalists, prompted by Moscow devised an "Azeri" alphabet, which replaced the Arabo-Persian script. In the 1930s a number of Soviet historians, including the prominent Russian Orientalist, Ilya Petrushevskii, were instructed by the Kremlin to accept the totally unsubstantiated notion that the territory of the former Iranian khanates (except Yerevan, which had become Soviet Armenia) was part of an Azerbaijani nation. Petrushevskii's two important studies dealing with the South Caucasus, therefore, use the term Azerbaijan and Azerbaijani in his works on the history of the region from the sixteenth to the nineteenth centuries. Other Russian academics went even further and claimed that an Azeri nation had existed from ancient times and had continued to the present. Since all the Russian surveys and almost all nineteenth-century Russian primary sources referred to the Muslims who resided in the South Caucasus as "Tatars" and not "Azerbaijanis", Soviet historians simply substituted Azerbaijani for Tatars. Azeri historians and writers, starting in 1937, followed suit and began to view the three-thousand-year history of the region as that of Azerbaijan. The pre-Iranian, Iranian, and Arab eras were expunged. Anyone who lived in the territory of Soviet Azerbaijan was classified as Azeri; hence the great Iranian poet Nezami, who had written only in Persian, became the national poet of Azerbaijan.

p. xvii;

Although after Stalin's death arguments rose between Azerbaijani historians and Soviet Iranologists dealing with the history of the region in ancient times (specifically the era of the Medes), no Soviet historian dared to question the use of the term Azerbaijan or Azerbaijani in modern times. As late as 1991, the Institute of History of the Academy of Sciences of the USSR, published a book by an Azeri historian, in which it noy only equated the "Tatars" with the present-day Azeris, but the author, discussing the population numbers in 1842, also included Nakhichevan and Ordubad in "Azerbaijan". The author, just like Petrushevskii, totally ignored the fact that between 1828 and 1921, Nakhichivan and Ordubad were first part of the Armenian Province and then part of the Yerevan guberniia and had only become part of Soviet Azerbaijan, some eight decades later.

p. xv;

Although the overwhelming number of nineteenth-century Russian and Iranian, as well as present-day European historians view the Iranian province of Azarbayjan and the present-day Republic of Azerbaijan as two separate geographical and political entities, modern Azeri historians and geographers view it as a single state that has been separated into "northern" and "southern" sectors and which will be united in the future.

p. xviii;

Since the collapse of the Soviet Union the current Azeri historians have not only continued to use the terms "northern" and "southern" Azerbaijan, but also assert that the present-day Armenian Republic was a part of northern Azerbaijan. In their fury over what they view as the "Armenian occupation" of Nagorno-Karabakh [which incidentally was an autonomous Armenian region within Soviet Azerbaijan], Azeri politicians and historians deny any historic Armenian presence in the South Caucasus and add that all Armenian architectural monuments located in the present-day Republic of Azerbaijan are not Armenian but [Caucasian] Albanian.

- LouisAragon (talk) 19:26, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

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catholic-hierarchy.org[edit]

The reliability of this source has already been discussed at length, and according to the discussion at WP:RSN as well as widespread, heavy and consistent use of it across the spectrum of WP:CATHOLIC articles, there has been no repudiation of its reputation for fact-checking and editorial oversight. The onus would be on you to muster a change in WP:CONSENSUS and deprecate its use in the project. 98.176.128.60 (talk) 20:17, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Not according to an Admin. It is not considered a reliable source and there is no consensus for its use. --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:30, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

xiongnu[edit]

If I've done the wrong change, then you can fix it if you want thanksSazz10 (talk) 21:46, 23 December 2017 (UTC)


I put the text in the wrong place , it is about languageSazz10 (talk) 12:52, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

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Ummayad conquest of Hispania[edit]

Hi Kansas Bear, how are you? It would be appreciated your attention back here. The issue seems to be not going, and the editor does not understand that he is misrepresenting sources, and wp:synthing. I am not edit-warring, hope I do not have to open an incident. Best regards Iñaki LL (talk) 10:38, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

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Siege of Baghdad (1258)[edit]

IP has tagged infobox entries.[31] Your thoughts? --Wario-Man (talk) 11:20, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

A quick once over the article, Armenia(n) is mentioned 5 times, one of which is in the article, three in the infobox and one in a category. This source:
  • L. Venegoni (2003). Hülägü's Campaign in the West - (1256-1260), Transoxiana Webfestschrift Series I, Webfestschrift Marshak 2003.
Appears to be from Marshak Festschrift, Eran ud Aneran. I could find nothing on L. Venegoni.
The other questioned source:
  • National Geographic, v. 191 (1997)
I would not use it.
Please be aware of a pro-Mongol editor(using the names Asteriset & Estarena) that was removing information they did not like. --Kansas Bear (talk) 19:15, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
So those tags should remain there? --Wario-Man (talk) 07:32, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
Unless you have a problem with them. --Kansas Bear (talk) 07:35, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Muhammad bin ikhtiyar khilji[edit]

Yes i agree with it and i will try and resolve this issue on the talk page. I have reverted it back to what it was originally. I would discuss this on talk page to further confirm the sources. Thankyou for letting me know.

Nader Shah[edit]

Would you be willing to review these edits?[32] - LouisAragon (talk) 18:25, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

The first book, is unviewable, so unless they have that book how would they know what it says? It currently costs $139 on amazon.com AND, Turcoman/Turkman are essentially the same thing. Also, if we have a more modern source then we could just go with what that calls him.
The second a journal review, (which I am not sure we can use as a source), states;"Nadir's native language could not be "Turki or Eastern Turkish". As an Afshar he surely spoke a southern Turcoman dialect, similar to that of all the Afshars scattered throughout Persia,i.e. in usual parlance, " the Turkish of Azarbayjan." The Afshars were certainly an Oghuz, and not a Mongol tribe."
And yet, according to Oghuz languages, could have been Qashqai or Afshar. --Kansas Bear (talk) 18:52, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. I will restore the original revision per WP:VER and WP:OR, and will ask him to present his concerns on the talk page. - LouisAragon (talk) 17:27, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

Re: Maria of Aragon[edit]

That's ok...when I get a chance, I'll try to find more references. I was just trying to fix all the names that RosieStroud changed, putting them back in English. Regards, Maragm (talk) 06:50, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

Ok. --Kansas Bear (talk) 06:53, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

Isabella of Angouleme[edit]

Hi,

Yes, that is my IP when I am using my mobile date outside of home. I use this account at home. Anyway, I’m saw the note you left on my page. I was not trying to start an edit war, I actually clarified with celia I actually was conforming to her conclusion of Isabella being born in 1188 and age 60 would be her age if we had used the other date of 1186. I left a note on her talk page already. Sorry if it seemed like an edit war. Cheers PrinceofFrancia (talk) 10:55, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue CXLII, February 2018[edit]

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Encyclopedia of Islam[edit]

Do you perhaps know where I can get access to the newest versions of the EoI? - LouisAragon (talk) 22:14, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Unfortunately, no. --Kansas Bear (talk) 02:05, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

concerns[edit]

Hey kansas Bear,

The editor Frasfras17 seems to have his own view of medieval scholars' ethnicity. Creating the template "Template:Arabic historians" while adding it to "Category:Arab Muslim historians of Islam", "Arab historians" and still claiming that "The template is called "Arabic historians" not "Arab historians" and it is concerned with historians of Arabic Tradition regardless of their ethnicity" I don't understand what he meant by "Arabic Tradition". He just translated the Arabic template "قالب:مؤرخو العصر الإسلامي" (Historians of the islamic age) and removed some historians from the original one. Why he changed "Historians of the islamic age" to "Arabic historians"? Isn't that pov pushing? Now he's adding some categories he created ("Medieval Moorish mathematicians", "Medieval Moorish astronomers"). You notice what ? They're all in a "Medieval Arab XXXX" category. Without talking about the things you mentioned here about him. This editor looks to me like a sock of the blocked sockpuppeteer Tarook97. The same editing patterns (adding arab everywhere...), the same place (saudi arabia) which links him even to user:Nabataeus (he's also from Saudi Arabia) and the same interests.... Regards ---Aṭlas (talk) 16:33, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

I would notify Doug Weller of the continued POV editing. The weasel-like wording "Arabic tradition" is a POV label unsupported by any references. As for socks, your best bet is to file an SPI. --Kansas Bear (talk) 18:47, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
@Aṭlas: They may be same person because I used Editor Interaction Analyser and this is the result: [33] So I suggest submitting a SPI case: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Tarook97 --Wario-Man (talk) 04:53, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Geoffrey of Monmouth[edit]

Hi I edited the page “Geoffrey of Monmouth” adding date ranges. Would you like to check it out? PrinceofFrancia (talk) 04:48, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Still changing/removing information to suit your opinion, I see. Sources for c.1100
  • Arthurian Writers: A Biographical Encyclopedia, Laura C. Lambdin, ‎Robert T. Lambdin, page 30.
  • The Broadview Anthology of British Literature Volume 1, Joseph Black, ‎Leonard Conolly, ‎Kate Flint, page 164
  • Arthurian Literature and Society, by S. Knight, Merry E. Wiesner-Hanks, page 39
  • Routledge Revivals: Medieval England (1998): An Encyclopedia, edited by Paul E. Szarmach, M. Teresa Tavormina, Joel T. Rosenthal
et.al.
I would like to know why you continue to manipulate dob(date of births) with no sources to back your edits! --Kansas Bear (talk) 05:11, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Actually, I did have sources to back my edits. Look up the page. What does in benefit me if he was born in 1090 or 1095 or 1100? There’s nothing to manipulate. Just search “Geoffrey of Monmouth born” and you get a variety of sources. It’s just that that’s what various sources say about him.

Have a look at “Monmouth University” page 37 by Jim Reme, Tova Navarra, Tova Navarra, R.N.

“Arthurian figures of history and legend” which I have cited.

“King Arthur: the mystery unraveled” page 26 by Chris Barber

“A concise history of wales” by geraint H Jenkins on page 84 which I have cited as well.

https://minds.wisconsin.edu/bitstream/handle/1793/61660/Berthold_John.pdf?sequence=2 Talks about the date range of his birth.

“Humanist Educational Theory, Gregory the Great, and Culinary Comedy” by Paul Maurice Clogan on page 151 also mentions he was born around then.



PrinceofFrancia (talk) 09:18, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Anyway sorry I don’t know how to font them as you have. But you get my point. Simply put, in the case of Geoffrey, the dates range from 1090 to 1100 (we don’t know) and since we have no concrete evidence we can simply put that it is a range in the infobox and use the average as the approximate PrinceofFrancia (talk) 09:23, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

If I truly wanted to manipulate anything I probably wouldn’t tell you:/ I told you about it because I wanted to ask your opinion PrinceofFrancia (talk) 09:25, 6 March 2018 (UTC)


  • "What does in benefit me if he was born in 1090 or 1095 or 1100?"
Then why are you changing it, again?
  • " Simply put, in the case of Geoffrey, the dates range from 1090 to 1100 (we don’t know) and since we have no concrete evidence we can simply put that it is a range in the infobox and use the average as the approximate"
Yeah, no. That is original research. You are interpreting(ie. "use the average as the approximate") what the sources state. We, as editors, can not do that.
I see no explanation why the dob can not be written, using reliable sources, thus;"c.1090/1095/1100". Since as you have shown these dates are mentioned by reliable sources. --Kansas Bear (talk) 19:40, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

I changed it because it will be a handful to put so many dates in an infobox, and I’ve seen other articles like that of robert curthose among others put just one birth date (in this case 1051) and then mention in the introduction he was born anywhere from 1051-1053. As a reader, it would look like quite a handful to put the infobox with 3 different birth dates.

As for the average, let me explain my way of thinking. Firstly, since it could be any of the 3 dates, we mention it at the introduction that he could be born from 1090-1100. However, if we are going to use only 1 date like the Robert curthose article, it would make most sense to use the average because if we use either 1090 or 1100 there’s the likelihood we are 10 years off, whereas 1095 would at maximum be 5 years off.

However, if you think it won’t be a handful adding 3 dates to the infobox, then we could discuss it on the talk page and see what other Editors think.

Cheers PrinceofFrancia (talk) 21:55, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

  • "I changed it because it will be a handful to put so many dates in an infobox..."
Yes, your overwhelming concern for amount of information in the infobox is so important to the construction of an online encyclopedia. LMAO.
Sounds like you are more interested in your own opinion than what reliable sources state. FYI, editors of that type do not last long here. --Kansas Bear (talk) 03:22, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Possibly so. But like I said, while I have used my opinion on putting an average date, I justified it with actual citations. What more, I discussed in on the talk group and anyone can feel free to disagree with me. Besides, it’s not like I’m stating an opinion without evidence or explanation

Cheers PrinceofFrancia (talk) 10:27, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Simply put, it’s not like I pulled a random date out of thin air but I used a median among 3 sources dates. PrinceofFrancia (talk) 11:24, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

But if you want to put in all 3 dates in the infobox by all means discuss it and do as you please PrinceofFrancia (talk) 11:25, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

I can tell you do not care to listen and learn from what other editors tell you(your talk page for example). You have already been warned about ‘’’your’’’ synthesis and original research and have chosen to continue with both. There is nothing more to discuss. We are done here. --Kansas Bear (talk) 17:44, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Clarification[edit]

Could you clarify your revert? The overwhelming majority of sources do indeed list al-Jazari as an Arab. The sheer quantity of materials that could be provided for his Arab background far exceed that of any other background, meaning the statement is valid. This (Observatory) pattern is used in numerous other articles. Nabataeus (talk) 01:30, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

Let me see if I got this straight. You specifically searched for al-Jazari and Arab and found *shocker* sources stating al-Jazari as Arab.
  • "This (Observatory) pattern is used in numerous other articles."
OH? In your 5 months and 123 edits, you know this how? And the fact that we should adhere to NPOV means what?
And to highlight your "search" for al-Jazari and his ethnicity:
  • The House of Wisdom: How Arabic Science Saved Ancient Knowledge and Gave Us the Renaissance, by Jim Al-Khalili.
Al-Khalili is a theorectical physicist and has no specialization in Islamic history, Islam, medieval history, etc.
Comic book artists?
  • Distinguished Figures in Mechanism and Machine Science: Their Contributions and Legacies, by Marco Ceccarelli.
Ceccarelli is a mechanical engineer, not an historian
  • The Shorter Science and Civilisation in China:3, by Joseph Needham, Colin A. Ronan.
Joseph Needham's specialization was Chinese history & technology. Colin A. Ronan, history of science, though his specialization appears to be astronomy. No mention of Islamic history.
  • Ancient Engineers' Inventions: Precursors of the Present, by Cesare Rossi, Flavio Russo
Cesare Rossi, department of Engineering Industry. Flavio Russo, Engineering degree. Not historians.
  • Timelines of Science, DK publishing.
Unreliable source.
  • Science: The Definitive Visual Guide, DK publishing.
Unreliable source.
  • Robot Scientist, Kevin Cunningham.
Appears to be a children's book. Kevin Cunningham is the author of more than 30 children's books. His books include a series on diseases in history and several books on global disasters. He lives near Chicago.
So out of all this. Even the Needham source(Cambridge published) falls a bit short.
As I told the pro-Kurdish IP(in July 2017), "FYI, just because you find something that agrees with what you think, does not make it a reliable source for Wikipedia." --Kansas Bear (talk) 02:42, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
So to clarify my explanation. This type of editing is POV pushing. Plain and simple. --Kansas Bear (talk) 02:53, 10 March 2018 (UTC)


  • OH? In your 5 months and 123 edits, you know this how? And the fact that we should adhere to NPOV means what?

Ought to tone your aggressive attitude down a notch. And I didn't know that my edits correspond with my Wikipedia dwelling. Quite interesting. I've been browsing Wikipedia for some years now, if that answers your concerns.

  • Al-Khalili is a theorectical physicist and has no specialization in Islamic history, Islam, medieval history, etc.

Al-Khalili specialize in many fields, he studied the history of Islam and authored multiple titles. His statement could be verified by other sources.

  • Ceccarelli is a mechanical engineer, not an historian

Ceccarelli is the Chairman of the Permanent Commission for the history of Machine and Mechanism of Science. He is held as an engineer historian. If you haven't noticed, al-Jazari is influential figure in the field of engineering.

  • Joseph Needham's specialization was Chinese history & technology. Colin A. Ronan, history of science, though his specialization appears to be astronomy. No mention of Islamic history.

His specialization is the history of science (astronomy is part of that field), The book is published by Cambridge. I would say quite reliable material. Not the ideal however.

  • Cesare Rossi, department of Engineering Industry. Flavio Russo, Engineering degree. Not historians.

Both of them are engineer historians, who are acquainted with the influential figures of their field (al-Jazari is one of them).

Although some of your other concerns for the reliability of sources are legitimate, the same criteria you applied to them, could be applied to other sources provided in the body of the article for his ethnicity.

  • Building Tomorrow's Leaders Today: On becoming a Polymath Leader - By Kaveh Yazdani

The source that assert on his Kurdish background appears to be unreliable. The author specialize in the Social Science and history of South and West Asia between 17 and 20 centuries.

A web page of museum that lack any results? Really!

Unreliable.

Still, the fact remain: al-Jazari in most sources is regarded as an Arab. The problem is your arbitrary definition of POV pushing. Other than that; What are your thoughts on the above sources for his Kurdish/Persian background? Does it fulfil your credibility standard?

Nabataeus (talk) 14:26, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

  • "Still, the fact remain: al-Jazari in most sources is regarded as an Arab."
Then you won't have any problems getting consensus to support your opinion.
  • "The problem is your arbitrary definition of POV pushing."
HA! This coming from the person that thinks comic book artists and children's books are reliable sources for Islamic history on Wikipedia. LMAO!
  • "What are your thoughts on the above sources for his Kurdish/Persian background?"
As for the sources as currently used in the article, see here.
As of 10 May 2017 the article appeared as this, and had been subjected to numerous ethnicity-driven edit wars. The conversation on the talk page was an attempt to alleviate said edit wars.
I would suggest if you want to add that comment to the article, then start a discussion and get consensus. --Kansas Bear (talk) 16:07, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
  • Then you won't have any problems getting consensus to support your opinion.

I believe it will take some time, if ever, before I receive responds. Only few scarce sources go against his Arab origin.

  • HA! This coming from the person that thinks comic book artists and children's books are reliable sources for Islamic history on Wikipedia. LMAO!

Reliable? I think not. Admittedly my caution for using qualified materials was high at the beginning, however I used few sources without examination from google books page. Which could be verified by reliable secondary sources.

  • As for the sources as currently used in the article, see here.

Then per that, the source would be removed. Before I proceed in the matter, you didn't address the two unreliable sources (Museum pages) that support the Persian claim. Also Carl W. Hall appears to be the opposite of historian, his main fields are food science and technology (His most popular book (with other authors): Drying and Storage of Grains and Oilseeds. And authored an encyclopedia of food engineering). Far from being authoritative source.

Nabataeus (talk) 17:58, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

As I said before, you did a simple blanket search of "al-Jazari and Arab" and think that supports your opinion.
As for the "sources" for Persian, at the time of my moving the Jazari's ethnicity to the body of the article Persian had one source. Therefore, those two sources must have been added later.
Also, if you have a point, I would suggest you make it.
As per the comments made by the other editors in the conversation, I took what were, in my opinion, inferior sources(for all 3 ethnicities) and presented them equally in the article. FYI, Carl W. Hall, MA in mechanical engineering. Which is no different than one of the sources for Arab, Burghardt having degrees in mechanical engineering.
And, I would suggest you take your concerns to the talk page and gain consensus. --Kansas Bear (talk) 18:26, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXLIII, March 2018[edit]

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Concerning the Saladin, Ayyubid dynasty[edit]

may i have a word with you online? like on either insta or twitter, just trying to explain my point, wouldn't take much of your time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dovahkiiniq (talkcontribs) 01:03, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

No. Consensus is discussed on the talk page(s) of the relevant articles. Even the Cambridge History of Iran source, which you use, states, "...but by the 10th century they were accounted Kurdish." This is found on page 32. Which, if you read the page, you already know that.
Also, if you are a blocked editor using another account(sockpuppet). This will not end well for you. --Kansas Bear (talk) 01:08, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
Check this SPI. -Aṭlas (talk) 01:17, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
Good call, Atlas! Thanks! --Kansas Bear (talk) 01:18, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
Another sock (Arabos) blocked. -Aṭlas (talk) 00:16, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
I saw. --Kansas Bear (talk) 00:20, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

Battle of Kars/Mosul[edit]

Hi, i saw that you corrected my erroneous edit of the article on the battle of Kars and i thank you for that. Just to inform you that the source that is used for the battle of Kars is also used for the article on the battle of Mosul. I had doubts about this source and i posted it on the talk page, but since i was not sure, i deleted my edit to check that more precisely. You seem to be well informed on this topic, have you found any mention of this so called "battle of Mosul" (1745) in a reliable source ? i checked "Encyclopedia Iranica" and the "Cambridge history of Iran" without success. Thank you in advance for your help. - Wikaviani (talk) 00:29, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw that Sykes is also used for Battle of Mosul (1745). Considering that the Yazdi source is unverifiable, I have not found any reliable source(s) for a battle at Mosul in 1745. --Kansas Bear (talk) 00:56, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
If this battle does not have a reliable source it may be that it did not exist and in this case it would be necessary to request a deletion of the article, right ? - Wikaviani (talk) 01:19, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
That is the end result. I have asked LouisAragon if he can find anything. Once he gives me his results I will move towards either keep or delete. --Kansas Bear (talk) 01:26, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
Thanks a lot for your precious help. - Wikaviani (talk) 01:49, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Your message on my page[edit]

Kansas Bear, where is this editing war? Please post a link and try to be helpful on this public encyclopedia. And try not to assume everyone on here has ill intentions. Vandalism would be very clear, and please refrain from bias, because if you are contacting me you should be contacting others. LebaneseBebe (talk) 22:47, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

You are edit warring on the Madrasa article.
  • "Please post a link and try to be helpful on this public encyclopedia."

1.[34]
2.[35]
3.[36]

  • "And try not to assume everyone on here has ill intentions."
I can count. Any revert, whole or partial is still a revert. Thus still edit-warring.
  • "Vandalism would be very clear, and please refrain from bias, because if you are contacting me you should be contacting others."
If this is how you react to an Edit warring alert, clearly you have the issue. --Kansas Bear (talk) 23:00, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

April 2018 Milhist Backlog Drive[edit]

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Siege of Nisibis (252)[edit]

I hope i do not bother you with my questions. Have you any information about a battle of Nisibis in 252 ? i found the article without a single source, i added a source for the outcome of the battle but when i think about it, it seems that my edit is OR because my source does not clearly states who took the city (Ardashir I or Shapur I). I have numerous sources stating that Ardashir took the city in 235 AD or 237 AD : [37], [38], but nothing clear about a battle between the Romans and the Sasanians at Nisibis in 252. I think the date of this battle is wrong, it's probably the battle of Nisibis won by the Persians in 235 or 237, if so, then the article should be renamed and the informations updated. Any idea ? Thanks.---Wikaviani (talk) 23:31, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

The Cambridge source you linked to states "[Ardashir] capturing Nisibis and Harran in 237 and 238". So Nisibis was taken in 237, then Gordian takes it back in 242. Gordian dies and then Philip the Arab signs a treaty with Shapur giving up Armenia and a lot of money(no mention of Nisibis). According to Patricia Southern, coins were still minted indicating Roman rule up to Decius' reign(June 251).[39]. Christian Lange implies that Nisibis was already under Sasanian control by the time of his third campaign(intervening in Armenia as early as 252).[40] Encyclopaedia Iranica states(actually saying a "tradition exists in Arabic sources") that Arab sources mention Shapur's taking of Nisibis at the start of his third campaign(Armenia) and that Shapur killed all the Roman soldiers and sold the populace into slavery.[41]
AND, according to Peter Edwell, he quotes al-Tabari regarding a siege of Nisibis during the 11th regnal year of Shapur, yet Edwell contends this siege is not mentioned elsewhere, the chronology is incorrect, and did not fit Shapur's strategy.[42]. Consequently, Dodgeon & Lieu state that Nisibis was not listed in the SKZ as one of the cities captured by Shapur in 252.[43]
So, short answer: Since we have no definitive source(s) stating a siege occurred in 252 it should be deleted or renamed.
  • "I hope i do not bother you with my questions."
Not a bother. This is a community encyclopedia. We are supposed to work together. --Kansas Bear (talk) 01:50, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
Thank you so much for your detailed answer. Since we have reliables sources supporting the fall of the city in 237 (or 235), i think we should rename the article and update it, but i don't know if we can change the title of an article or if we have to delete it and open it back with the correct title.---Wikaviani (talk) 02:04, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
I have no idea concerning that. Might ask an Admin and see if they know. --Kansas Bear (talk) 02:09, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
Thanks !---Wikaviani (talk) 02:23, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

WeWuzPhoenicians[edit]

Got blocked temporarily. I opened a SPI.---Wikaviani (talk) 01:49, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Ok. Thanks. --Kansas Bear (talk) 01:50, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
Blocked indefinitely as a sock of Ehsan iq : [44]. You were right about them. Good call. Cheers.---Wikaviani (talk) 05:10, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXLIIV, April 2018[edit]

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Iranica new entries[edit]

Would be useful if you like to expand Massagetae. Cheers! --Wario-Man (talk) 12:29, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Hunayn ibn Ishaq[edit]

Please keep an aye on the Hunayn ibn Ishaq article. There is a user who is trying to push a POV and delete referenced material. Viaros17 (talk) 13:18, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Might be more useful to keep an eye on Viaros17's contribs. They're not the nicest person, and I say that as not the nicest person myself. Pinkbeast (talk) 00:56, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
Completely agree with Pinkbeast about Viaros17. This user is a POV editor and makes battleground comments about other users contributions : [45], [46]. By the way, your opinions are welcome about this topic. Sorry Kansas, i don’t mean to have a dispute about Viaros17 on your talk page. —>Farawahar (talk) 09:39, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Charles II of Naples[edit]

Yep, I am. Anyway, i know what small days, but if you look through a few sources you will see that Charles II has birth dates ranging from 1248-1254. Like with Geoffrey of Monmouth, it’s a range. 1253 is an average PrinceofFrancia (talk) 02:42, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Or 1250 would be another average. Because 1248,1250,1253 and 1254 are all given PrinceofFrancia (talk) 02:44, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

In that case, stay off my talk page from now on. I have seen editors like you before. --Kansas Bear (talk) 02:51, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXLIV, May 2018[edit]

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church of Amsoldingen in Amsoldingen, Switzerland[edit]

I respect your entry as being pointed out as being verbatim to the accounting as made in the referenced historical documentation of: (Marianne) Rumpf 1977, p. 182. However, I merely was intending to edit to the correct entry of the spelling for the benefit of the readers as it is actually: the church of Amsoldingen in Amsoldingen, Switzerland Nowhere have we been able to locate that it is spelled the same as you have pointed out, beyond the used/listed reference. Perhaps the editor and/or translator of Marianne Rumpf's works made an oversight and did not catch the author's/translator's mistake, I don't know. Thank you however for redirecting to your reference used. If you know of or find any sound references that do use the same spelling as Rumpf uses, could you please include for my benefit and correction. Thank you.

Asuthnfatboy (talk) 20:19, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you KansasBear for the update and added information. Your notes were found to be quite insightful. Asuthnfatboy (talk) 02:20, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Seraphim System[edit]

Don't post on my talk page again.

1. Don’t stalk my edits.
2. Learn to sign your posts and start a new section properly.
3. Next time there won’t be a warning regarding your inappropriate behavior, I will notify an Admin.
4. Stay off my talk page.--Kansas Bear (talk) 01:39, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Scythians: Please comment[edit]

We want to rewrite the lead section. Would you please participate and comment here? Talk:Scythians#New_Iranica_article Thanks. --Wario-Man (talk) 06:03, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Dandamayev, Pythagoras[edit]

  • Dandamaev, M. A. (1989). A Political History of the Achaemenid Empire. BRILL. p. 153. ISBN 978-9004091726. During the period of Achaemenid rule in Miletus, which was the most important city of Ionia, there lived the eminent philosopher Anaximander and the geographer and historian Hecataeus. The famous mathematician Pythagoras was born and lived part of his life on the island of Samos, which was also subject to the Persians.

As far as I remember, Samos was incorporated into the empire in ~ 517 BC. According to the sources found at the GA-class article of Pythagoras, that would be after he left Samos. Do you perhaps know whether Samos was already subjected, perhaps in a different way (i.e. without military), by the Achaemenids before 530? Dandamayev is a reputable sources vis-a-vis Achaemenid/Ancient Greek history, hence my confusion. - LouisAragon (talk) 14:18, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Pythagoras born c.570BC
Croesus calls for troops to fight Persians[1] is defeated by Cyrus the Great 546 BC.[2] Dandamaev mentions that Croesus calls his allies including the tyrant of Samos.[1]
"The philosopher Pythagoras was also on Samos during his(Polycrates) reign but left for Croton about 531 BC, perhaps out of dissatisfaction with his dictatorship." ~~Polycrates, Grant, Michael (2012). The rise of the Greeks (1st American ed.). Scribners. pp. 153–156.
Cambyses initiates campaign against Egypt. Polycrates of Samos joins Cambyses as an ally(524 BC).[3]
Polycrates is assassinated(522 BC) and a Persian force occupies Samos(517 BC).[4]
The sentence could/?should? be read as Pythagoras came from Samos, and then as a continuation of the subject of the paragragh(Persian occupation/influence) that Samos was also under Persian authority. Dandamayev does not blantantly state Pythagoras living under Persian influence compared to the previous sentence, "During the period of Achaemenid rule in Miletus,[....], there lived...". --Kansas Bear (talk) 17:44, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
Thanks alot for the careful evaluation, I think you're spot on. - LouisAragon (talk) 22:14, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ a b Dandamaev 1989, p. 24.
  2. ^ Dandamaev 1989, p. 25.
  3. ^ Dandamaev 1989, p. 73.
  4. ^ Dandamaev 1989, p. 147-148.

New revelation[edit]

Did you know it was EVEN part of the Roman Empire?! [47] - LouisAragon (talk) 19:41, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Is, Kingdom of Armenia (antiquity), what the IP is talking about??? The lead mentions Roman rule referenced by Hovannisian(non-viewable). Whereas, Sophene, Gordyene, and Adiabene: Three Regna Minora of Northern Mesopotamia, by Michał Marciak, page 135-136, 377, mentions a Greater Armenia. But what would being under Roman rule have to do with being "in" Europe? --Kansas Bear (talk) 02:06, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
Yeah. Textbook e-nationalistic pov-pushing. This part cracked me up as well: "Armenia has had very close contact with Europe throughout it's history". Whats next; Algeria is in Europe because the Vandals held sway over it? - LouisAragon (talk) 23:35, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

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Afghan-Sikh War[edit]

Sir excuse me I added references to article afghan Sikh war why u removed thatAma975193 (talk) 07:09, 2 June 2018 (UTC) Ama975193 (talk) 07:09, 2 June 2018

No. You copied sources from individual battles and have presented them as sources for the result of the war. Take your concerns to the article talk page and provide quotes for the sources you are using. --Kansas Bear (talk) 08:36, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXLVI, June 2018[edit]

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User:Stongay[edit]

Hi Kansas Bear, you posted a warning on user:Stongay's talk page just below my caution notification. If this warning was for the Genghis Khan article, it seems that user:Stongay was right, the source he tried to remove is completely unreliable (user:GreanMeanGo drew my attention on this point). It's your call of course to do so or not, but according to me, in this case, the warning should be removed from his talk page. take care. Best regards.---Wikaviani (talk) 19:17, 22 June 2018 (UTC).

Hi Kansas Bear and Wikaviani: I am really new to this and I dont use this often. I was reading Genghis Khan article, noticed an unreliable reference, and I just removed that minor sentence. Since I am really new to this, I dont know how things are done and I really didnt even mean to go into edit war. Now, I know how the community works.

The Bugle: Issue CXLVII, July 2018[edit]

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user:Fofo235[edit]

Hey Kansas,

This editor is unquestionably an edit warrior with a nationalist agenda. I'm suspecting that he's a sock of user:kingesh. kingesh shows some similarities in his editing behavior with the blocked sockpuppeteer user:Ehsan iq-Aṭlas (talk) 21:23, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Fofo235's English is patchy[48] compared to Ehsan iq's[49]. --Kansas Bear (talk) 19:55, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Re: Perso-Roman wars of 337–361[edit]

Hi. Sorry for late reply. I read both old revision and your revision, compared them, and your revision is much much better. Old revision was almost based on a single source and primary stuff while your revision represents diverse sources and scholars' works. Old revision had some kind of biased tone while your revision is neutral. Good work and keep it up. --Wario-Man (talk) 07:12, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXLVIII, August 2018[edit]

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Wikiproject Military history coordinator election nominations open[edit]

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Your comment[edit]

Based on your suggestion, we have proposed the same at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Indefinite_siteban_proposal. this is to let you know. --DBigXray 09:50, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

Might be of use[edit]

[50] - LouisAragon (talk) 23:02, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXLIX, September 2018[edit]

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Jalairs[edit]

What's your opinion about this?[51] I have already replied to him.[52] --Wario-Man (talk) 07:47, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

About jalairs[edit]

No im not Limbozz

I just say that according to Rashid-al-Din Hamadani's Jami al tawarikh jalairs are not Darliqin Mongol

Darliqin Mongol(مغول درلکین) tribes according to Rashid-al-Din Hamadani's Jami' al-tawarikh are this tribe (From page 147 to 182)(The photo is taken from the original book of Juma Al-Tawariqh in persian language) : http://uupload.ir/files/6kjb_darlikin_mongols_147_-_182.png

Jalair tribe according to Rashid-al-Din Hamadani's Jami' al-tawarikh: (Jami' al-tawarikh page 65) http://uupload.ir/files/trl_jalair_65_-_73.png

Read the Jami' al-tawarikh before you judge me.

You wrote this to me:

similar relationships to the Ilkhanids: both families were descended from Mongol tribes (the Jalayirids and the Sulduz.." -- Kingship and Ideology in the Islamic and Mongol Worlds, Anne F. Broadbridge, Page 156. "The Jalayirids probably first appear in the mid-thirteenth century as one of the Mongol tribes making up Hulegu's army." -- The Persians, Gene R. Garthwaite, Page 154. "Arghun Aqa, a Mongol Administrator A Mongol from the Oirat tribe, Arghun Aqa was born c. 1210 and at an early age entered the service of the Jalayirid (Jalayir Mongol tribe) emir Qadan. -- Genghis Khan and Mongol Rule, George Lane, Page 101. "Jalayirids Mongol dynasty in Iraq (Mesopotamia), western Iran, and Azerbaijan 1336-1432, -- Islam: art and architecture, Markus Hattstein, ‎Peter Delius, Page 615. "THE JALAYIRIDS The name Jalayir is derived from that of a large and important Mongol tribe." -- The Cambridge History of Iran: The Timurid and Safavid periods, William Bayne Fisher, page 5.

Yes، because They come with Mongols. In iran some times we call the Azerbaijani mongol. Tsakhur people of republic of azerbaijan call azerbaijani "mongol"

" History of Mongolia, Volume II, 2003" This is the source that you selected wrong because jalairs are not Darliqin Mongol. Louisol (talk) 18:36, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

I do not care what a primary source states when I have multiple secondary sources stating something else. I do not care what they call Azerbaijani's in Iran. I am only interested in what secondary sources state.
  • "Yes، because They come with Mongols. In iran some times we call the Azerbaijani mongol. Tsakhur people of republic of azerbaijan call azerbaijani "mongol""
That is called original research.
I am not going to read Jami al-Tawarikh, nor do I believe you are not a sockpuppet. Anyone that so blatantly ignores what modern academics state about the Jalayirids and continues to push their own agenda is not here to build an encyclopedia. --Kansas Bear (talk) 18:49, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
Louisol; Kansas Bear has already clarified why you're wrong. Wikipedia does not work like that. Read WP:NOT. I should remind you there were several users who had similar behavior like yours and now all of them are blocked. Even sockpuppetry and creating new accounts can't do anything for them. This is an encyclopedia and it's not a free forum/media for representing personal opinions of users. --Wario-Man (talk) 12:22, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

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Sasan Hero[edit]

Why u remove my true text? Sasan Hero (talk) 00:27, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Where is your source? This is the second time I have stated the information you are posting is NOT mentioned in the source provided. Post your source, with the page number and quote on the article talk page and this issue will be resolved. --Kansas Bear (talk) 00:33, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi,Kansas Bear, my explanation part in my page not work ,one editor has locked it Sasan Hero (talk) 02:00, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

And also I can't add disscaution because it's locked Sasan Hero (talk) 02:05, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. It is clear you can not communicate in English, therefore you should not be editing this encyclopedia. --Kansas Bear (talk) 02:11, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

I can writing English enough to communication with other editors ,and I am always useful for English wikipedia because always I adding reliable information ,and adding important information that not exist before ,so I think ,I should be continue editing because it's help wiki pages to improve ,and every time that I understand I can't help I stop editing forever ...thank you... Sasan Hero (talk) 05:01, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

  • "I can writing English enough to communication with other editors.."
Nope. --Kansas Bear (talk) 05:43, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

I can write English enough to communicate with other editors.Right? ...Thanks... Sasan Hero (talk) 18:58, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Clearly not. Do not post here again. --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:02, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue CL, October 2018[edit]

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YouTube account[edit]

Ehsan.iq's YouTube account, actively spreading the same crap he tried to spread on Wikipedia, now on YouTube comment sections.[53] - LouisAragon (talk) 16:50, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I don't see anything. Perhaps they've removed all the content there? --Ebyabe (talk) 17:00, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
@Ebyabe: Yeah, he either removed all content from his feed, or you need to be "friends" with him. I personally think its the latter. Anyways, I just watched a random vid about a historic battle in which Arabs were involved, and I found Ehsan.iq spreading the same crap he tried to spread on Wikipedia. You can scroll down to the comment posted by a certain "CuzImMOODY" (dated three weeks ago), where he says "Arabs always kicking persians asses". If you open the other comments listed at that specific comment, you can see Ehsan.iq participating. This all means he's still very active. We can thus conclude that his "activities" are not just limited to Instagram, Facebook, Snapchat and Wikipedia (see SPI for more information), but also YouTube. - LouisAragon (talk) 17:20, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
I guess when Ehsan can't handle reality, he runs from one social media to another bemoaning how history really happened. Hell, there are certain people on Youtube who contend the Confederate States of America had nothing to do with slavery. Guess they never heard of the Cornerstone speech. In short, there are delusional people everywhere, believing all sorts of nonsense. --Kansas Bear (talk) 17:40, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
@LouisAragon: It's an example of WP:OTHERSITES and it's not odd because we already have a similar case. See [54] and [55]. See the comments of these videos [56], [57], and [58]. Don't they sound familiar? The strange thing is Ehsan.iq's rants are very similar to comments on this Ottoman-Safavid war video.[59] Do you think it's a coincident or we're dealing with a group of related accounts? --Wario-Man (talk) 18:54, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
And this one --Wario-Man (talk) 17:55, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

POVFORK[edit]

I made some tweaks to this WP:POVFORK / WP:POV-loaded article.[60] Your thoughts? - LouisAragon (talk) 10:44, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

That "article" has problems.
  • 1) the entire article is a travesty of English
  • 2)the second paragraph of the Background section is completely unsourced
  • 3)the first two paragraphs of History section are completely unsourced
  • 4)the Aftermath section is completely unsourced, and there are large portions throughout the article which have no sourcing what so ever. Not to mention the source from 1858!
If reliable sources can be found, then a complete rewrite would be in order. That particular article suffers from similar problems found at Perso-Roman wars of 337–361, prior to its major rewrite. --Kansas Bear (talk) 16:40, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
I was afraid you'd say that. Though, I shouldn't be too surprised, given said users editorial pattern. - LouisAragon (talk) 16:45, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
Yesterday I requested title change for this article. However I just realized that the precise date remains uncertain. Hence, picking "344" probably wouldn't be the best choice. Would like to hear your thoughts. Bear in mind, we now also have Siege of Singara (360). - LouisAragon (talk) 10:36, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
Yeah, that will be a conundrum.
  • "In 343[1]/344[a][2]/348[b][c] Shapur met Constantius in a battle near Singara. During the night the larger part of the Sasanid army, which had been held back by Shapur as a reserve, emerged unexpectedly from behind the overlooking heights, and routed the Romans.[5]"
I was trying to decide how to phrase the article(Battle of Singara(pick a year)) properly, just after the major rewrite of Perso-Roman wars of 337–361, but I am still not sure. What both articles need is some Persian oriented sources, in my opinion. The Perso-Roman Wars article is overly heavy in Western oriented sources. --Kansas Bear (talk) 04:09, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
AND, Siege of Singara has been inundated with outdated historiography(Pinnock's, Gibbon, Marcellinus) and non-specialized(An Encyclopedia of World History) sources. The same editor left the Perso-Roman wars of 337–361 a mish-mash of POV wording, confused context, and undue weight. Have you read Siege of Singara? Same garbage. --Kansas Bear (talk) 18:38, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
Yeah I have read it. Its crappy as F. I dont know why people still rely on non-RS stuff (anno 2018!) when its so easy to access proper sources (i.e. Google.books). Oh well, lets keep it at "344" for now in order to create room for the 360 siege and other dates. We can solve it later. - LouisAragon (talk) 12:23, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Notes & References[edit]

  1. ^ Syvanne states the Romans won at Singara/Alaina.[2]
  2. ^ Barnes states the 348 battle at Singara, was at night and was a Roman victory.[3]
  3. ^ "Not even the date of this, the biggest confrontation between Constantius and Shapur, is certain, with 343, 344, and 348 all mentioned."[4]

References

  1. ^ Barnes 1980, p. 163.
  2. ^ a b Syvanne 2015, p. 314-315.
  3. ^ Barnes 1980, p. 164.
  4. ^ Crawford 2016, p. 55.
  5. ^ Crawford 2016, p. 56.

Sources[edit]

  • Barnes, T. D. (1980). "Imperial Chronology, A. D. 337-350". Phoenix. Vol. 34, No. 2 (Summer).
  • Crawford, Peter (2016). Constantius II: Usurpers, Eunuchs, and the Antichrist. Pen & Sword.
  • Syvanne, Ilkka (2015). Military History of Late Rome 284-361. Pen & Sword.

Achaemenid map[edit]

Hi Kansas Bear. By the way, I think User:LouisAragon pinged you [61] for comments on a proposal for a better map of the Achaemenid Empire. Would you have some time to spare to look into the matter? (Discussion here) पाटलिपुत्र (talk) 08:27, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Twinkle[edit]

Hi! I noticed you've been reverting vandalism quite a bit, so I wanted to see if you knew about something called Twinkle. It is essentially a software on Wikipedia which users can use after they have had an account for 4 days and made 10 edits, that makes many forms of editing, notably reverting vandalism, much easier. This includes the ability to quickly tag articles, mark them for deletion, quickly rollback one's edits to a page, quickly warn users, report users to administrators, and much more. The details are outlined on the documentation page. To install Twinkle, go to your preferences, and navigate to the "Gadgets" tab. Under the "Browsing" section, check off the box to the left of the following sentence: "Twinkle: automate common tasks such as reporting vandalism, warning vandals, requesting deletion, welcoming users, and tagging articles (preferences)." Let me know if you have any questions about this, and thank you for your work with fighting vandalism!--SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 03:02, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Ethnicity of a medieval scholar[edit]

A new user has appeared and disagrees with all other editors. Your comment would be helpful as always: link to discussion --Wario-Man (talk) 14:09, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CLI, November 2018[edit]

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Thanks![edit]

Thanks for copying that comment over to the Ayyubid dynasty talk page. I'm always loath to criticize other editors, because I really don't want to get into the kind of personalized argument that happened here. But when I see big chunks of sourced and relevant text disappearing, it's hard not to step in. I try to phrase criticism to focus on specific actions, not presumed motivations, but I know it can be easy to take things personally. Anyhow, it seems the initial defensiveness may have transformed into willingness to assist, so maybe all's well that ends well. Rupert Clayton (talk) 21:29, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

No problem, Rupert Clayton. --Kansas Bear (talk) 22:07, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Odd additions[edit]

This new user and these stuff [62], [63], [64] --Wario-Man (talk) 17:37, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Uzbek POV pusher? First source The Modern Uzbeks, page 215 does not contain the word "Turon"/"Turan". I would revert and ask for quotes and page numbers on the article talk page. --Kansas Bear (talk) 20:28, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

These edits to Mihirakula,[65][66], Xionites,[67][68][69] tamgas,[70][71] Kujula Kadphises[72][73], etymology,[74][75][76][77] and Wusun[78][79] are also mysterious. Krakkos (talk) 18:19, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Yeah. I have read the SPI. Most likely a case of Wikipedia:ROPE. --Kansas Bear (talk) 20:28, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

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Fitting title?[edit]

I just noticed this new article (Xerxes’s inscription). What about changing the title into "Inscription of Xerxes I at Van"? Your input would be much appreciated as always. - LouisAragon (talk) 21:33, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

A major rewrite and source verification, is definitely in order. As for the name, Xerses I's inscription at Van? Thoughts? --Kansas Bear (talk) 02:09, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
Yeah I'm gonna try salvage it. As for the title, I think your suggestion is better. Btw, would you agree with my rationale here?[80]-[81] - LouisAragon (talk) 17:41, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
I'm planning on creating an article about the brief Safavid occupation of Basra in 1697-1701.[82]-[83]-[84]-[85]-[86]. The period/events seems to be of historical significance (mentioned/covered in numerous high-quality sources). As Basra was an Ottoman territory before the Safavid takeover, perhaps something like Safavid occupation of Basra (1697-1701) could do the trick? Curious for your opinion. - LouisAragon (talk) 20:36, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
I think Safavid occupation of Basra (1697-1701), sounds like an excellent article title. --Kansas Bear (talk) 20:55, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
Completely rewrote it (Xerses I's inscription at Van) and left the "original author" a polite note.[87] - LouisAragon (talk) 23:56, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Source verification[edit]

The first link, previously viewable, checked out. I can not view the second the link.
The second set of links check out, "Both authorities indicate that the ancestor of the Bal'amis was an Arab tribesman of Tamim in the early days of Islam, but by the former he is said to have accompanied Maslama b. 'Abd, al-Malik and by the latter, Kutayba b. Muslim."
Ask for a quote for each reference. Should clear up any misunderstandings. --Kansas Bear (talk) 17:27, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CLII, December 2018[edit]

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Happy Saturnalia[edit]

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Wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season, from the horse and bishop person. May the year ahead be productive and troll-free. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:01, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, Ealdgyth! --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:24, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Antioch[edit]

Hello Kansas Bear. As I asked here [1], why you did revert? Shahanshah5 (talk) 10:35, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

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Thanks, Wikaviani! --Kansas Bear (talk) 19:30, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CLIII, January 2019[edit]

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Harassment on Wikidata[edit]

You might wanna check this out.[92]-[93] Probably LTA Lagoo sab.[94]-[95] - LouisAragon (talk) 22:19, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue CLIV, February 2019[edit]

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Explaining my edit in Urartu page[edit]

Hi!

The reason I made my edit in the Urartu page (removing the supposed etymological Urartian names, as sourced from Enclopaedia Iranica) is because a) this information is provided previously on the Urartu page, so this is repeated information, almost verbatim and b) this information may not be (even according to other Enclopaedia Iranica pages) correct (i.e. many of these names are Iranian etymologically, such as Didarsis and Tigra, and some of them are either Iranian or Armenian, such as Araxa/Arakha).

Please see my contribution in the Urartu Talk page for more information:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urartu#/talk/3

Thank you so much for your time.

Preservedmoose (talk) 15:19, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Siege of Bidar 1656 or 1657?[edit]

Thanks for finding a source for the siege of Bidar in Mughal Empire. I noticed that you stayed with the earlier Wikipedia text of "In 1657, ...", but the source says the siege ended on 18 April 1656. Should Wikipedia say 1656, or is it a different calendar thing, or did Yazdani get that wrong, or what? --Worldbruce (talk) 02:28, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Probably a typo, The Cambridge Shorter History of India states the siege was in 1657. --Kansas Bear (talk) 02:47, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CLV, March 2019[edit]

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Thoughts?[edit]

Compare this[96] with this[97] and this[98]-[99]-[100] I believe GP just admitted that he's Kavakdere. - LouisAragon (talk) 14:31, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Created a SPI[101] - LouisAragon (talk) 15:39, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

List of papal bulls[edit]

Thanks for your message. I also added the references you requested.--Britannicus (talk) 23:46, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Ayyubids[edit]

Hello, I have seen your wanting. Please don't jump and start warning and fighting off. You are a foreigner and not related to the Arab world's history and do not understand it well. If you have read my comment in the talk page you would see that those "referenced informations" are biased and not correct and are propaganda. Your bias for a non existent "Kurds" is unacceptable and it is offensive to me. I am a descendant of Saladin, I am Ayybuid. And we are Arabs we are not kurds. I have my family tree and we have millions of history books that your western masters like to hide. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:646:C400:149D:A14E:3FE4:C9A3:982D (talk) 06:55, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

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Amusement[edit]

I want you to laugh more...Kes Immak Akho Gahba. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:646:C400:149D:ADC8:A44:84B9:9645 (talk) 06:29, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CLVI, April 2019[edit]

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Oxford University Press[edit]

You should consider getting access to OUP.[102] Not only does it give access to Oxford Reference,[103] but also to Oxford Handbooks[104] and a plethora of other Oxford online databases. - LouisAragon (talk) 12:24, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks! --Kansas Bear (talk) 15:41, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Question[edit]

Hi,

Do you think that this book would be a reliable source to confirm that John, Count of Soissons died at the Battle of St. Quentin (1557)? :

https://books.google.com/books?id=SF8xAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA38&dq=john+bourbon+soissons+st.+quentin+1557&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj8yq31pOThAhXzIDQIHd1NBR0Q6AEIMDAB#v=onepage&q=john%20bourbon%20soissons%20st.%20quentin%201557&f=false

Also, if not, why not? Futurist110 (talk) 18:07, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Who is John Ronald Moreton-Macdonald? A writer, a Lieutenant in the British army, or an academic historian?
As for mentioning John, Count of Soissons' death at the Battle of St. Quentin in 1557, considering John's role in the battle is not clear and I have yet to find any source mentioning him as having a pivotal role in the battle, I have decided not to list him in the article. A helpful discussion can be found here.
Also,
  • Notes Relative to Certain Matters Connected with French History, Volume 1, Temple Prime, is not a reliable source
  • Armorial général de la France, Volume 1, Issue 1, Louis Pierre d' Hozier, Antoine Marie d' Hozier de Sérign, outdated and not a reliable source
--Kansas Bear (talk) 18:32, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for your explanation here. Also, are we never allowed to use 19th century sources on Wikipedia? As in, are these sources always outdated even if they are talking about historical events and historical people? Futurist110 (talk) 20:39, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
Also, I just want to clarify--are books by amateur writers/authors never actually allowed to be cited on Wikipedia? Futurist110 (talk) 20:46, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
So we should use any source simply because it says what we need? Then why use Wikipedia:RS?
The word "source" when citing sources on Wikipedia has three related meanings:
  • The piece of work itself (the article, book)
  • The creator of the work (the writer, journalist)
  • The publisher of the work (for example, Random House or Cambridge University Press)
  • Any of the three can affect reliability. Reliable sources may be published materials with a reliable publication process, authors who are regarded as authoritative in relation to the subject, or both. These qualifications should be demonstrable to other people.--Kansas Bear (talk) 03:27, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
Futurist110 I just collapsed your question at RS as being off-topic at that location, since that page is for the improvement of that guideline, not for discussion of individual sources. The proper place for it is at RSN and, if what I'm about to say doesn't satisfy you, you should feel free to copy it there. Having dealt with the bureaucracy, let me note that I agree with Kansas Bear that this is not a reliable source as defined by Wikipedia. It was self-published (De Vinne Press was really just a printer, not a publisher with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy) and self-published sources are not, generally, acceptable for use as reliable sources, see SPS and the following subsections for the policy and the exceptions. If the author, Temple Prime, had an established expertise as a historian or a genealogist, as confirmed by other published reliable sources as defined by Wikipedia, then it might be used but even that kind of expert source is always kind of dicey and there's no indication that he was anything other than an ordinary individual genealogist. Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 15:32, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Incorrect/POV lede?[edit]

Mughal Empire

  • "'It was established and ruled by the Timurid dynasty, with Turco-Mongol Chagatai roots from Central Asia, claiming direct descent from both Genghis Khan (through his son Chagatai Khan) and Timur,[12][13][14] and with significant Indian Rajput and Persian ancestry through marriage alliances;[15][16] the first two Mughal emperors had both parents of Central Asian ancestry, while successive emperors were of predominantly Persian and Rajput ancestry.[17]"

Dirk Collier (source nr. 17) seems to be non-WP:RS as far as I can see. A lawyer and businessman.[105] Having said that, if I would look at this lede as a "newb" reader, I would probably think that about every single Mughal ruler (except for Babur and Humayun) had a Persian or Rajput mother. Yet according to List of the mothers of the Mughal Emperors, out of 17 Queen mothers, only 3 were Persian and 3 Rajput. All other Queen mothers seem to have belonged to other groups. The word "significant" (not covered by the sources) was also added by the same user. The dynasty was founded by a scion of the Timurids and was thus of Turco-Mongol origin. Later, long after the foundation of the empire, did the rulers have offspring by women belonging to other ethnic groups. In this regard, the Mughals are somewhat comparable to the Ottoman dynasty (i.e. Turkic by origin, significant intermarriage later on). Thoughts? - LouisAragon (talk) 23:44, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

John Francis Templeson has started an ANI discussion involving you[edit]

Here [106]

suggestion[edit]

When you're writing about medieval nobleman, it really helps to link every place and every significant person. Sometimes the forms of names are different, and sometimes (for for France) they're only in the frWP, but they can still be linked. Often for places, the article in the frWP will be much better or more specific , and it should be possible to figure hout how to link to it also. If Ican help you with any ofthis, let me know. DGG ( talk ) 05:12, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CLVII, May 2019[edit]

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Just to let you know[edit]

I removed this 2016 edit as it was added without reference and explanation. Though I was able to find numerous references for Armenian architectural influence on Seljuk architecture, and Armenian builders/architects working on Ottoman buildings, I couldn't find anything about Armenian architectural influence (i.e. design etc.) on Ottoman architecture. According to Adalian:

In the same way, Seljuk Turk architecture in Anatolia, in its formative period in the 12th century and after, was heavily influenced by Armenian architecture (...) Although this influence did not extend to the Ottoman era, which was much more influenced by the abundance of Byzantine architectural samples, Armenian builders, however, had even a greater effect on the appearance of Ottoman architecture. -- Adalian, Rouben Paul (2010). Historical Dictionary of Armenia. p. 93

- LouisAragon (talk) 14:09, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, once I clicked on the link, the name was familiar. --Kansas Bear (talk) 02:56, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
There's this other editor who's on a mission to establish an Uzbek "presence" without using RS sources to cover his edits.[107] I already encountered him twice before,[108]-[109] and have warned/notified him in May 2019.[110] - LouisAragon (talk) 14:31, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
@Wario-Man: I believe you are aware of this as well? - LouisAragon (talk) 14:33, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CLVIII, June 2019[edit]

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Your insight[edit]

Hi, firstly, i hope you and yours are all doing well. You asked me to take a look at Siege of Singara (344) months ago, this is what i did today (Btw, soorry for the delay ...) since i had enough time, would you be so kind as to take a look at my changes please ? I have not finished to clean up the article yet, but i removed most of the outdated 19th century sources and tried to rewrite many parts of the article in a more neutral way (ex it was not a "decisive" Persian victory). Also, i think that the title of this article is irrelevant, it should be "Battle of Singara (344)", not "Siege of Singara (344)" since as far as i know, Shapur besieged Singara 3 times but never succeeded to take the city before 360. Thanks very much for your insght. Take care.---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 18:09, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Wikaviani So far your changes look pretty good. One of my concerns was based, in part, to the re-write I did on Perso-Roman wars of 337–361, where in the article I referenced 3 different years for the siege/battle at Singara. If there are different sieges/battles over Singara is there enough information covering any of those battles to make a complete article or should we make a "Battle of Singara" and simply list each time Shapur fought there? Since you removed the outdated and unreliable sources, that has resolved another of my concerns. --Kansas Bear (talk) 22:40, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
@Kansas Bear: My apologies, i was wrong in my above comment, shapur besieged 3 times Nisibis, not Singara (and as far as i know, he faced defeat each time). However, your question still stands. On my end, i can say that sources covering the 3 sieges of Nisibis are quite rare, because months ago i tried to find some in order to create the 3 articles, therefore, creating a page about each of these battle sounds irrelevant for now because of the lack of reliable sources. Still remains the move i proposed above (Siege of Singara (344) ---> Battle of Singara (344)). @LouisAragon:, @HistoryofIran:, @Wario-Man: your thoughts are also more than welcome.---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 20:16, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Regarding Fornovo...[edit]

...I thought the source mentioned Fornovo as a phyrric victory. I was in good faith. Actually, there was debate even at the time regarding who actually won.

I just tried to add detail to the article. Again I thought it was in there from the book. It was my mistake but I did not do it on purpose.

Cheers.

Barjimoa (talk) 18:50, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Interesting[edit]

Thank you Kansas Bear for the interesting reference from Joseph Pérez. You will note that it is not Prof. Pérez himself who says this, but he is quoting Joseph Del Olmo, who - as prof. Pérez notes, wrote in 1680. It seems that Del Olmo was as anachronistic as Pedro Berruguete. Modern scholarship sets the first auto-de-fé at 1242 in Paris and the inquisition was not established until 1231. If you can find a modern scholar who says that the inquisition was active in 1206 and that St. Dominic took part in it, I would be interested to know this - and of course the Wikipedia page on Auto da fé would need to be updated as well.Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Damascus road (talkcontribs) 05:11, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Question[edit]

Do you think that this would be a reliable source for the claim that Louise d'Artois died from typhus? : Brook-Shepherd, Gordon. (1991). The Last Empress – The Life and Times of Zita of Austria-Hungary 1893–1989. If Google Books is correct, this book likewise contains this information. I can't access this book itself, though. Thus, I don't know what its source for this information is. Futurist110 (talk) 22:54, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

Margaret of Valois[edit]

I don't understand where I should post quotes from Viennot's book. I understand your doubts about defining Margaret of Valois a "living legend of her era", but on the nickname invented by Alexandre Dumas, it is enough to see the French page on the queen: this is a well-known information, in the public domain. Besides the book by Kathleen Wellman, have you read other books on the subject?

I apologize for the possible errors, English is not my native language. --Chevalier d'Éon (talk) 18:31, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

First off, this is English Wikipedia therefore English sources are preferred. As for;
  • "...but on the nickname invented by Alexandre Dumas, it is enough to see the French page on the queen.."
Wikipedia can not be used to reference Wikipedia articles.
  • "this is a well-known information, in the public domain."
Wikipedia is written using secondary sources, not "well-known information" or someone's opinion.
As for using Pierre de Bourdeille, seigneur de Brantôme, this appears to be a primary source translated by a nurse, which means it would not qualify as a reliable source for Wikipedia.
I would strongly suggest not edit warring to use a primary source over an academic secondary source.
  • "I don't understand where I should post quotes from Viennot's book."
You are incapable of finding the article talk page? --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:44, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
I apologize for not having answered your questions before, but if you do not reply in my User talk, the notification cannot arrive. Regarding the nickname of Queen Margot invented by Alexandre Dumas in 1844, I leave you the official site of Margaret's most important French scholar, Éliane Viennot [fr], in which there is a list of the news that led to the formation of the myth of "Queen Margot": Apparition des motifs légendaires.
"You are incapable of finding the article talk page?"
Regarding the question "living legend", I will write in the article talk page.
In any case, I would like to ask you again: in addition to Wellman's book, have you read other books on Margaret of Valois and on the political role of women in the French Renaissance?--Chevalier d'Éon (talk) 10:33, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
  • "I would like to ask you again: in addition to Wellman's book, have you read other books on Margaret of Valois and on the political role of women in the French Renaissance?"
Why? It is immaterial what I have or have not read concerning the "political role of women in the French Renaissance". The only thing that is important is writing what the source states, not an interpretation of what the source states. If the source does not say what it is suppose to reference, then it is original research.
Regarding "living legend", a source has to state Margaret was a living legend, and not your interpretation of a "living legend".
Continued addition(s) of Wikipedia:OR can be a reason for a block or ban. --Kansas Bear (talk) 15:57, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
I asked you if you had read other books because I have been reading books on Margaret for more than ten years and honestly I don't think you can understand a topic if you read only one book about it. Have you read the translation I left in the talk of the article and the chronology of the legendary elements attached to the life of the queen made by Viennot? The connection between the "black legend" of the queen and the nickname invented by Dumas is given by the fact that the nickname was very famous and was used for marketing by numerous writers and historians (even nowadays). In this regard I leave the link for a very interesting article. It's in English don't worry: «History as Voyeurism: from Marguerite De Valois to La Reine Margot»
Frankly, I don't understand what you mean by "original research". I added the book by Wellman as a source because I seemed to remember that it was written, partly because it is based largely on the historical reconstruction elaborated by Viennot. I read it about two years ago and my only mistake was not to read it again carefully, to look for a precise quotation. As a last resort I added as a source the book of Viennot I own, which expressly uses the term "legend", referring to Margaret and all the great aristocrats who survived the period of the French wars of religion. If we are considered a "legend" while we are still alive, are we not therefore "living legends"? --Chevalier d'Éon (talk) 17:14, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
  • " I don't understand what you mean by "original research"."
Then I strongly suggest you read Wikipedia:OR.
  • "I asked you if you had read other books because I have been reading books on Margaret for more than ten years and honestly I don't think you can understand a topic if you read only one book about it."
I could care less what you think. An interesting statement from an editor some years ago, "it isn't what you know about something, but what you can prove". Using a source to falsely claim someone was a living legend or that Dumas invented a nickname is original research...and source misrepresentation.
  • "If we are considered a "legend" while we are still alive, are we not therefore "living legends"?"
Sounds like original research to me. --Kansas Bear (talk) 17:36, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
I could care less what you think. An interesting statement from an editor some years ago, "it isn't what you know about something, but what you can prove". Using a source to falsely claim someone was a living legend or that Dumas invented a nickname is original research...and source misrepresentation.
I don't understand your point of view. You keep saying that I invented news when I brought you various sources that prove what I say. Above all, I don't understand why you insist on not understanding that the nickname "La Reine Margot" was invented by Dumas, who named the first novel on the Valois trilogy. I ask you: did you read the article by Sluhovsky? Have you read the chronology written by Viennot (Margaret's most authoritative biographer) on her site? It seems to me that you are answering me without knowing the subject we are talking about. What evidence do you have in favor of your point of view?
:Sounds like original research to me.
Maybe for you. I call it deductive reasoning. --Chevalier d'Éon (talk) 18:33, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
  • "I don't understand your point of view."
Hmmm, that everything that is added to an article should have a reliable source and that said source states what it is referencing. (begin sarcasm)Yeah, clearly this is extremely vague on my part( end sarcasm).
No, that is original research. Per Wikipedia:OR, "The phrase "original research" (OR) is used on Wikipedia to refer to material—such as facts, allegations, and ideas—for which no reliable, published sources exist. This includes any analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to reach or imply a conclusion not stated by the sources."
  • "You keep saying that I invented news when I brought you various sources that prove what I say."
And this is misrepresentation on your part.
1.You added unsourced information(concerning "living legend" and some other details, here. I removed it stating it was unsourced.
2.Then you re-added the information using 5 pages out of Wellman's book, in which Wellman makes no mention of "living legend"(which is original research) or Dumas inventing the nickname for Margaret(source misrepresentation). I removed it.
3.Then you re-added the information again using different sources, which I removed(June 30th) after no response from you on your talk page(June 27th).
This is exactly how you have edited the Margaret of Valois article. Original research, source misrepresentation, and edit warring. Each one a violation of Wikipedia.
  • "It seems to me that you are answering me without knowing the subject we are talking about."
And it seems to me that you are trying to make this personal, comment on the content not on the editor.
  • "What evidence do you have in favor of your point of view?"
Evidence favoring what "point of view"? I have not edited the article since 30 June 2019‎. A glaring fact that has totally escaped your notice. Again, another personalized comment.
I will say this one more time since you do not seem to understand, I do not care what is added to the article, as long as it is referenced by reliable source(s). --Kansas Bear (talk) 19:26, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
This includes any analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to reach or imply a conclusion not stated by the sources.
The concept extrapolated from the paragraph I quoted does not seem to me at all an original research or a synthesis that alters what Viennot meant to say. The scholar clearly uses the term "legend" to indicate how she was seen by her contemporaries Margaret, during the last years of her life in Paris (while she was still alive), having survived the wars of religion. However I don't want to create an edit war on this topic. I just wanted to add a news item to the article. However, I wrote about it in the article talk page. Regarding the rest, I admitted before I was wrong not to properly check Wellman's book before inserting the bibliographic note.
And it seems to me that you are trying to make this personal, comment on the content not on the editor
No. I have already admitted my mistakes several times, but it seems to me that you are responding by evading any kind of comment on the content of historical facts added to the article, which is what interests me. I asked you several times if the books, articles and website of the famous scholar were enough for you as a reliable source. You have evaded any reference to them in your answers. Did you read them? I don't think you did.
I will say this one more time since you do not seem to understand, I do not care what is added to the article, as long as it is referenced by reliable source(s).'
I agree with the discourse of the sources, but I am also interested in what is added. --Chevalier d'Éon (talk) 20:08, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
  • "I asked you several times if the books, articles and website of the famous scholar were enough for you as a reliable source."
Really? Where?
  • "You have evaded any reference to them in your answers. Did you read them? I don't think you did."
If you have a point to make, I would suggest posting a quote to support whatever it is you are rambling about. As I said before, I have not edited the article since 30 June and you show up here and start ranting at me about all sorts of nonsense.
  • "Have you read the translation I left in the talk of the article and the chronology of the legendary elements attached to the life of the queen made by Viennot?"
From what I read on the article talk page, your quotes do not appear to cover "living legend". I would suggest speaking to the editor that reverted you(which you have not done).
  • "but it seems to me that you are responding by evading any kind of comment on the content of historical facts added to the article.."
Evading what? You posted two links, you made no comment concerning their reliability, nor until today(10:33, 21 July 2019) had you mentioned the article talk page. Maybe you should not edit English Wikipedia if you can not understand original research. --Kansas Bear (talk) 20:53, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

You might be interested in this SPI[edit]

[111] - LouisAragon (talk) 22:31, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CLIX, July 2019[edit]

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Brill Online[edit]

Got access to Brill Online for a day.[112] If you need any entry/entries, please don't hesitate to let me know. - LouisAragon (talk) 16:18, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CLX, August 2019[edit]

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An interesting read[edit]

Recently decided to reopen James R. Russell's Zoroastrianism in Armenia.[113] Other than it being an excellent work, I stumbled across some newer works dealing with the same matter, which I thought were pretty interesting as well. Some excerpts:

  • "There are two very important exceptions to this general pattern of the spread of Zoroastrianism: It is certain that the Armenians and the Georgians (or Iberians) were Zoroastrians before they converted to Christianity. This is not an obvious fact to everyone; on the contrary, it has been (and continues to be) bitterly opposed, especially by Armenian and Georgian scholars, who prefer to think of the pre-Christian religions of the Armenians and Georgians as chiefly “local” or “indigenous” traditions, which accommodated some Iranian elements (Ananikian 1925). They are aided in this interpretation by the fact that the (Christian) Armenian and Georgian sources rarely, if at all, identify the religion of their ancestors before their conversion to Christianity as “Zoroastrianism.” These sources either prefer seemingly neutral terms (such as “the religion of our forefathers”) or polemical ones (“heathenism”), but do not label the reli-gion as “Iranian” or “Zoroastrian.” Where these terms occur, they refer to the religion of the Persians, chiefly of the Persians as enemies of the Christian Armenians. This fact in itself, while undeniable, is not compelling; on the contrary, it seems to be in harmony with the selfidentifications of most of the Iranians; the wide spread of the term “Zoroastrian” is of post-Sasanian date and even “Mazda-worshipping” is mainly used in limited (e.g., imperial and liturgical) contexts. Iranian Zoroastrians seem to have been identified after the Iranian land they came from (Persians, Parthians, Sogdians, etc.), with the Zoroastrian element of their identity selfunderstood."
  • "Historically, the first trace of an Armenian polity is the inclusion of the satrapy of Armina in the Achaemenid Empire."
  • "From the period of Alexander to the downfall and partition of the kingdom(s) of Armenia between Sasanian Persia and the Byzantine Empire, Armenia is usually presented as a battle-zone between the two superpowers of the ancient world (Iran in the East and Greeks and Romans in the West). While this is true politically, it is not a very promising perspective culturally, for Armenia and the Armenians clearly and unequivocally participated in Iranian culture."
  • "Recently, intensive archaeological study of various sites in the eastern half of Georgia has strengthened the case for a very early inclusion of Iberia in the Iranian political and cultural realm (Knauss 2006), and, like the Armenian sources, Georgian historical sources present a variety of evidence for a long period of intimate interaction between Georgian and Iranian culture. In both cases, this interaction continued after the (early) conversion of the kingdoms to Christianity. The conversion of the Iberian king Mirian III (with his realm) is traditionally dated to the year 337 CE. Georgia too was ruled by families with an Iranian ancestry (Persian and Parthian), who participated in the Iranian dynastic network that dominated the eastern half of the ancient world from Alexander to the end of antiquity."

-- Albert de Jong (2015) "Armenian and Georgian Zoroastrianism" in The Wiley Blackwell Companion to Zoroastrianism; Michael Stausberg, Yuhan Sohrab-Dinshaw Vevaina; Anna Tessmann (ed). John Wiley And Sons Ltd. pp. 119-128[114]

- LouisAragon (talk) 16:13, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Well that makes sense, since we already know of the Battle of Avarayr. If I remember correctly, the Armenians were pretty much 50/50 Christian/Zoroastrian split. And that was in 451 AD. Hell, this:
  • "From the time of the conquest of Assyria and Urartu by the Medes to the fall of the Sasanian Empire to the Muslim Arabs some thirteen centuries later, Armenian culture devel­oped under the religious, political and linguistic influence of various Iranian empires.
Will not be accepted without rancor.--Kansas Bear (talk) 20:59, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
Spot on. - LouisAragon (talk) 19:40, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Backlog Banzai[edit]

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The Bugle: Issue CLXI, September 2019[edit]

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