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Consultation about reference in deleted page[edit]

Hi, I wonder if you could give me some advise. I am searching for a reference (to add in the Wikipedia article on MIR [1], "reference needed") that I have seen before in the article "Marcello Ferrada de Noli", now deleted. First, Is there any possibility to retrieve from the archived article the references containing the word "Concepción"? 2] When I clicked on Ferrada de Noli's name, which has links embedded in the MIR article, I was directed to a page headed "Creating M ferrada de N" [2], and also a link to this talk page. My consultation being, was the deletion because of consensus, because of the information given by the delete-voters, or because the writing, etc? That article had in any case an excessive long text, some non-essential information, too. And references not updated. I thank you in advance. Patoleman (talk) 23:09, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Good morning. Thank you for your reply on why the article was deleted, and for the link. Regarding the reference that I mentioned, I have found it now in other Wikipedia article. Best regards, Patoleman (talk) 09:03, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

DYK for M-K TE70-4S[edit]

Updated DYK query.svgOn 6 May 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article M-K TE70-4S, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Morrison-Knudsen built four Popsicles for the Southern Pacific Railroad in 1978? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/M-K TE70-4S. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, M-K TE70-4S), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:04, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

M-K TE70-4S[edit]

The article says that the locomotives were retired in 1987, but what happened to them? If scrapped, this should be in the article and infobox. Mjroots (talk) 10:07, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

  • @Mjroots: According to Lustig's article they somehow wound up on a deadline in Oakland, CA. Ozark Mountain Railcar owned them and listed them for sale. It's not very firm and I haven't got anything past that, so I left at the 1987 retirement. Mackensen (talk) 12:00, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
  • Forum chatter says a tugboat company or some such thought about reusing the prime movers, but nothing came of it and they were scrapped in 2007. There's nothing reliable that I can find. Mackensen (talk) 12:10, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
Thank for that. Agree with keeping to RSs. Forums can be helpful in finding them, but are not useable themselves. Mjroots (talk) 13:03, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Marcello Ferrada de Noli[edit]

Administrator Mackensen, Hello. I created the article "Marcello Ferrada de Noli" in 2009, which you deleted 3 May 2017 after seeing the discussion. As you may recall, the principal objection to "the main claim to notability", as it was referred in the discussion, was that Ferrada de Noli had never been a founder of the Revolutionary Left Movement (Chile) (MIR). However, I have now obtained NEW evidence which prove false that main argument. It is an important testimony dated 8 May 2017 [3] issued by Andrés Pascal Allende, nephew of the late President Salvador Allende and ex General Secretary of the MIR, stating: "Marcello Ferrada de Noli was one of the founders of MIR", adding that he was a co-author of the "Political-Military Thesis", "the first document approved in the history of the MIR". Andres Pascal's testimony was published three days ago by the organization Swedish Doctors for Human Rights, together with a number of other secondary sources not before cited in the WP article, and neither in the discussion. I would like to ask you if you would consider to review your decision and undelete. If I understood right, it would be possible to ask WP for a revision, in the case of new evidence. If I would be granted the possibility, I will rewrite the article completely, both attending to the WP rules and style guidelines for bio submissions (which at the time I created the article, eight years ago, I was not so familiar with), and relevant criticism arouse in the discussion. Brgds. / Inkerifi (talk) 00:34, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

  • @Inkerifi: Hello. You have a couple options available to you. First, I think I assessed the discussion correctly based on the evidence available at the time, so I'm not going to reverse myself. Given Marcello Ferrada de Noli's role in founding SWEDHR, I don't think a primary document published there would have influenced the outcome. You're welcome to seek deletion review of course. Another option would be to write a new article in the draft namespace, or perhaps in your own userpace, and then seek permission at DRV to move it back into the article space. This new article would need to incorporate these new secondary sources and make a stronger case for his notability. All the best, Mackensen (talk) 01:14, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
Thank You, very helpful. I will study both options carefully before to proceed. In case I would try Deletion Review, it will be argued on the new evidence known after the time of your decision. And there is more evidence besides Pascal Allende's testimony. The other option is also tenable, since I was planning anyway to draft the article anew. With brgds, Inkerifi (talk) 02:00, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Pendulum car[edit]

Updated DYK query.svgOn 13 May 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Pendulum car, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the pendulum car was an experimental forerunner of the tilting train, but was not widely adopted on American railroads? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Pendulum car. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Pendulum car), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Mifter (talk) 04:10, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Sunday May 21: Metropolitan Museum of Art Edit-a-thon + global online challenge[edit]

Sunday May 21, 10:30 am - 4:30pm: Metropolitan Museum of Art Edit-a-thon
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The Metropolitan Museum of Art Edit-a-thon: Met Open Access Initiative is the Metropolitan Museum of Art's first edit-a-thon, being hosted on Sunday May 21, 2017 in Thomas J. Watson Library at The Met Fifth Avenue in New York City.

The Met is excited to make available over 375,000 images of public domain artworks for contribution to Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons from the museum’s collection spanning 5,000 years of art. The event is an opportunity for Wikimedia communities to engage The Met's diverse collection onsite and remotely. The event is a key marker too of The Metropolitan Museum of Art's first Wikimedian-in-Residence program, with resident Richard Knipel (User:Pharos), along with Wikimedia NYC. We invite you to help enhance Wikimedia communities and platforms with open access images from The Metropolitan Museum of Art.

The event requires pre-registration. To register, 1) please sign-up with Eventbrite via The Met's website and 2) add your Wikipedia username to the #Participants on the wikimeetup page. Please check-in with museum staff when you arrive at the Thomas J. Watson Library within the museum.

We also welcome remote participation for the global Met Open Access Artworks Challenge (15 May - 30 June, 2017), you can sign up there at Met Open Access Artworks Challenge/Participants. --Pharos (talk) 16:23, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

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May 24: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC[edit]

Wednesday May 24, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
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You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Babycastles gallery by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan.

Topics this month include the TED wikiproject, the Met wikiproject, and encouraging free video on Wikimedia Commons!

We will include a look at the organization and planning for our chapter, and expanding volunteer roles for both regular Wikipedia editors and new participants.

We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming edit-a-thons, museum and library projects, education initiatives, and other outreach activities.

We welcome the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from all educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects.

After the main meeting, pizza/chicken/vegetables and refreshments and video games in the gallery!

7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Babycastles gallery, 137 West 14th Street

We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 19:31, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

  • P.S. bonus event this weekend:

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DYK for PRR MP70[edit]

Updated DYK query.svgOn 3 June 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article PRR MP70, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that for decades, Long Island commuters knocked knees on the Long Island Rail Road's PRR MP70 cars? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/PRR MP70. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, PRR MP70), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Mifter (talk) 00:02, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Superliner (railcar)[edit]

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Your GA nomination of Superliner (railcar)[edit]

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Thursday June 22: Wiki Loves Pride Edit-a-thon @ MoMA[edit]

Thursday June 22, 6-8:30pm: Wiki Loves Pride Edit-a-thon @ MoMA
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Join us for an evening of social Wikipedia editing at the Museum of Modern Art Library's third annual Wiki Loves Pride Edit-a-thon, during which we will create, update, and improve Wikipedia articles pertaining to LGBT art, culture and history.

All are invited, with no specialized knowledge of the subject or Wikipedia editing experience required.

Themes for this event include art related to HIV/AIDS activism and on LGBTQ artists of the African Diaspora as part of the Black Lunch Table project.

Experienced Wikipedians will be on-hand to assist throughout the day. Please bring your laptop and power cord; we will have library resources, WiFi, and a list of suggested topics on hand.

Time: 6:00 pm – 8:30 pm
Location: Dorothy and Lewis B. Cullman Education and Research Building at MoMA, 4 West 54 Street - between 5th/6th Ave, New York, NY 10019
Please note that this entrance is one block north of the main 53rd Street entrance, closer to 5th Avenue.

Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 21:40, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of Superliner (railcar)[edit]

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DYK[edit]

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Superliner (railcar) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! North America1000 20:54, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Just the standard template message here; just waiting for a QPQ to be performed. North America1000 20:54, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Would you be willing to perform a full review at Template:Did you know nominations/R v Jordan (2016). Essentially, most of the reviewing was performed by another user, so yours is not a full review, and there were objections earlier in the discussion. North America1000 21:43, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
    • Done. It's short, but similar to most legal stubs. Mackensen (talk) 21:50, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Collapsible s-rail[edit]

I recall you mentioning that you did some early work on the s-rail templates, so you might have a quick fix for this. A number of infoboxes have a huge number of s-rail rows that I would consider secondary - either services at a connected station, or routes that formerly served a still-active station. (All the Embarcadero connections at Transbay Transit Center made me think about this.) Would there be any easy way to make a block of s-rail rows collapsible (and presumably collapsed by default)? Pi.1415926535 (talk) 04:03, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

  • @Pi.1415926535: My instinct is that there isn't, because there's no real relationship between the individual rows. What could be done is a fork of {{S-start-collapsible}} that's compatible with the s-rail templates, and build that into {{Infobox station}}. Mackensen (talk) 11:52, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
  • (talk page stalker) @Pi.1415926535: The infobox subheader can be toggled to be collapsible (check the template documentation). I don't think collapsing the whole table would be as good, as then only the first header would be shown. Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
    to reply to me
    12:59, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, my thought was more along the lines of the collapsible BS templates, where an arbitrary section of rows can be collapsed. I have no idea if that's remotely possible in this case. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 18:21, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
@Pi.1415926535: Those nest tables inside tables (bad for accessibility), and it's quite fiddly because it's hard to get the columns to line up with each other. It's probably possible through JavaScript to implement collapsible subheaders, but I don't know if the WMF would do that.
TheDJ, do you think it's possible to implement collapsible table rows (wherein all rows below the one with a CSS class are collapsed until a row containing <th> cells or with some other CSS class), so that bits of a table can be collapsed? Especially in infoboxes (station, rail line, locomotive) and RDTs there are quite a few nested collapsible tables being used with fake subheaders, which is bad for accessibility. Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
to reply to me
09:40, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Amfleet[edit]

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Your GA nomination of Amfleet[edit]

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Sunday July 9: WikNYC Picnic @ Governors Island[edit]

Sunday July 9, 1-6pm: WikNYC Picnic
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You are invited to join us the "picnic anyone can edit" on New York City's green and historic Governors Island, as part of the Great American Wiknic celebrations being held across the USA. Remember it's a wiki-picnic, which means potluck.

1–6pm - come by any time! Our reserved picnicking area is Grill #5 by Nolan Park in the northern part of Governors Island.
Look for us by the Wikipedia / Wikimedia NYC banner!

We hope to see you there! --Pharos (talk) 11:02, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of EMD SDP40F[edit]

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Your GA nomination of Amfleet[edit]

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Your GA nomination of GE E60[edit]

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Your GA nomination of EMD SDP40F[edit]

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Your GA nomination of EMD SDP40F[edit]

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User:Scott19982[edit]

Could you please take another look at Scott19982? He has gone from merely annoying to outright destructive, and his messages on my talk page indicate that he has no intention of listening to my explanations of why his edits are incorrect. He has started adding incorrect dates - and changing correct dates to incorrect ones; see for example Kingston/Route 3 (MBTA station) where he added a closure date 48 years before the branch was built, and Taunton (Amtrak station) where he keeps changing the 1958 closure date to the incorrect 1959. Whether or not he's actually editing in good faith any more, I think he's doing more harm than good, and I don't see how he can be redirected to do good. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 04:19, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of GE E60[edit]

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Your GA nomination of City of Denver (train)[edit]

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Your GA nomination of GE E60[edit]

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July 19: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC[edit]

Wednesday July 19, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
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You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Babycastles gallery by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan.

We will include a look at the organization and planning for our chapter, and expanding volunteer roles for both regular Wikipedia editors and new participants.

We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming edit-a-thons, museum and library projects, education initiatives, and other outreach activities.

We welcome the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from all educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects.

After the main meeting, pizza/chicken/vegetables and refreshments and video games in the gallery!

7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Babycastles gallery, 145 West 14th Street
(note the new address, a couple of doors down from the former Babycastles location)

We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 02:37, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of City of Denver (train)[edit]

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Your GA nomination of City of Denver (train)[edit]

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DYK for Superliner (railcar)[edit]

Updated DYK query.svgOn 14 July 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Superliner (railcar), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Superliner was the last rail passenger car manufactured by Pullman-Standard? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Superliner (railcar). You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Superliner (railcar)), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Callanecc (talkcontribslogs) 12:04, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Great job promoting Superliner (railcar) to GA and to DYK! Fantastic work. One of the best pieces I've seen on the Main Page in a while. MX () 16:18, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
  • @MX: Thank you, that's most kind of you! For my part, I enjoyed writing it, though probably not as much as I enjoy riding in the actual cars :). Mackensen (talk) 13:55, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Matt Luke (American football)[edit]

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Matt Luke (American football) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know!  FITINDIA  16:37, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Amfleet[edit]

Updated DYK query.svgOn 24 July 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Amfleet, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Amfleet (coaches pictured) was Amtrak's first new intercity passenger cars and the Budd Company's last? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Amfleet. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Amfleet), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

IronGargoyle (talk) 00:02, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Sunday July 30: Action=History Wiki-Hackathon @ Ace Hotel[edit]

Sunday July 30: Action=History Wiki-Hackathon @ Ace Hotel
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On the last Sunday of every month, the Boardroom at Ace Hotel New York hosts Action Equals History — a unique opportunity for New Yorkers to learn hands-on in a technology training/workshop session about the mechanics, practices and benefits of Wikipedia and the Wikimedia projects. This is an opportunity for all to gather, share and work collectively towards a more robust account of history.

For this month, we'll focus on Wikipedia casual editing, ways to use and develop Wikidata, building better edit-a-thon tools for a variety of different thematic campaigns, and user-testing them with the community. Towards a goal of advancing these tools for wider use with diverse local groups.

Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 14:21, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

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DYK for Matt Luke (American football)[edit]

Updated DYK query.svgOn 30 July 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Matt Luke (American football), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that 22 years after he walked-on at Ole Miss, Matt Luke became its head football coach? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Matt Luke (American football). You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Matt Luke (American football)), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Alex ShihTalk 00:04, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Talkback[edit]

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The editor with a conflict of interest in this article is waiting for a review. Please look into it when you get the chance. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 00:42, 7 August 2017 (UTC) jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 00:42, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

DYK for GE E60[edit]

Updated DYK query.svgOn 10 August 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article GE E60, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that in the 1970s Amtrak had two new locomotives, the GE E60 and the EMD SDP40F, which had trouble staying on the tracks? You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, GE E60), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Alex ShihTalk 00:03, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

DYK for EMD SDP40F[edit]

Updated DYK query.svgOn 10 August 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article EMD SDP40F, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that in the 1970s Amtrak had two new locomotives, the GE E60 and the EMD SDP40F, which had trouble staying on the tracks? You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, EMD SDP40F), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Alex ShihTalk 00:03, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

August 30: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC[edit]

Wednesday August 30, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
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You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Babycastles gallery by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan.

We will include a look at the organization and planning for our chapter, and expanding volunteer roles for both regular Wikipedia editors and new participants.

We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming edit-a-thons, museum and library projects, education initiatives, and other outreach activities.

We welcome the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from all educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects.

After the main meeting, pizza/chicken/vegetables and refreshments and video games in the gallery!

7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Babycastles gallery, 145 West 14th Street
(note the new address, a couple of doors down from the former Babycastles location)

We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 12:03, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

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September 27: WikiWednesday Salon / Wikimedia NYC Annual Meeting[edit]

Wednesday September 27, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon / Wikimedia NYC Annual Meeting
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You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Babycastles gallery by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan.

This month will also feature on our agenda, upcoming editathons, the organization's Annual Meeting, and Chapter board elections.

We will include a look at the organization and planning for our chapter, and expanding volunteer roles for both regular Wikipedia editors and new participants.

We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming edit-a-thons, museum and library projects, education initiatives, and other outreach activities.

We welcome the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from all educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects.

After the main meeting, pizza/chicken/vegetables and refreshments and video games in the gallery!

7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Babycastles gallery, 145 West 14th Street
(note the new address, a couple of doors down from the former Babycastles location)

We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 00:42, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

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Invitation to Admin confidence survey[edit]

Hello,

Beginning in September 2017, the Wikimedia Foundation Anti-harassment tool team will be conducting a survey to gauge how well tools, training, and information exists to assist English Wikipedia administrators in recognizing and mitigating things like sockpuppetry, vandalism, and harassment.

The survey should only take 5 minutes, and your individual response will not be made public. This survey will be integral for our team to determine how to better support administrators.

To take the survey sign up here and we will send you a link to the form.

We really appreciate your input!

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For the Anti-harassment tools team, SPoore (WMF), Community Advocate, Community health initiative (talk) 19:52, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

The 100 DYK Medal[edit]

Dyk100CE.svg The 100 DYK Creation and Expansion Medal
This medal is awarded to you in recognition for the creation and expansion of 100 DYKs. Keep up the good work and thank you for your contributions to DYK! Dr. K. 00:23, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

2017 Military history WikiProject Coordinator election[edit]

Greetings from the Military history WikiProject! Elections for the Military history WikiProject Coordinators are currently underway. As a member of the WikiProject you are cordially invited to take part by casting your vote(s) for the candidates on the election page. This year's election will conclude at 23:59 UTC 29 September. Thank you for your time. For the current tranche of Coordinators, AustralianRupert (talk) 10:39, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Today's Wikipedian 10 years ago[edit]

Awesome
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Ten years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:40, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Sunday October 15: Wikipedia @ Open House New York / Weekend Photo Competition[edit]

Sunday October 15: Wikipedia @ Open House New York / Weekend Photo Competition
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This event is the concluding "upload party" to the Wikipedia @ Open House New York Weekend photo scavenger hunt, and an accompanying Wikimedia Commons tutorial and multimedia hackathon,

Learn how to work with your photos to illustrate New York City articles!

Note that this is part of the larger Open House New York Weekend activities on Saturday and Sunday, when sites normally closed to the public are open for public visits and photography.

If you can, bring your camera/photos to the event, and a laptop if you'd like to engage in adding photos to articles. But this is not necessary.

For photos from last year's event, see the OHNY campaign 2016 on Wikimedia Commons.

  • Date: Sunday October 15
  • Time: 4:00 pm - 8:00 pm
  • Location: Ace Hotel New York. 20 West 29th Street, Manhattan.

Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 15:32, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

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October 18: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC[edit]

Wednesday October 18, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
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You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Babycastles gallery by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan.

We will include a look at the organization and planning for our chapter, and expanding volunteer roles for both regular Wikipedia editors and new participants.

We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming edit-a-thons, museum and library projects, education initiatives, and other outreach activities.

We welcome the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from all educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects.

After the main meeting, pizza/chicken/vegetables and refreshments and video games in the gallery!

7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Babycastles gallery, 145 West 14th Street
(note the new address, a couple of doors down from the former Babycastles location)

We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 13:22, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you![edit]

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Great work on taking the Superliner article to Featured Article status! Please accept this barnstar as a small token of my appreciation. I am always amazed and inspired by your railroad-related contributions. Michael Barera (talk) 18:01, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Metropolitan Museum of Art Edit-a-thon (Nov 19) and global online Wikipedia Asian Art Month (Nov 1-30)[edit]

Sunday November 19, 10:30 am - 4:00pm: Metropolitan Museum of Art Edit-a-thon
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The Wikipedia Asian Month Edit-a-thon @ The Met will be the Metropolitan Museum of Art's second edit-a-thon, hosted on Sunday November 19, 2017 in the Bonnie Sacerdote Classroom, Ruth and Harold D. Uris Center for Education (81st Street entrance) at The Met Fifth Avenue in New York City.

Following the first Met edit-a-thon in May 2017, the museum is excited to work with Wikipedia Asian Month for the potential to seed new articles about Asian artworks, artwork types, and art traditions, from any part of Asia. These can be illustrated with thousands of its recently-released images of public domain artworks available for Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons from the museum’s collection spanning 5,000 years of art. The event is an opportunity for Wikimedia communities to engage The Met's diverse Asian collections onsite and remotely.

10:30 am - 4:00 pm in Bonnie Sacerdote Classroom, Uris Center for Education
81st Street entrance, Metropolitan Museum of Art, 1000 Fifth Avenue

Attendees should bring their own laptops and power cords. Light snacks, drinks and cake will be provided.

We also welcome remote participation for the global online Wikipedia Asian Art Month, running November 1-30.

Thanks, and hope to see you at the museum, and/or as part of the online Wikipedia Asian Month contest!--Pharos (talk) 16:36, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

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Thanks[edit]

Thank You for putting in the image of the EMD F69PHAC. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cloudcityline1017 (talkcontribs) 13:39, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

November 15: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC @ NYU ITP[edit]

Wednesday November 15, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC @ NYU ITP
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You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at NYU ITP Tisch School of the Arts (4th floor) at 721 Broadway in Manhattan.

We will include a look at the organization and planning for our chapter, and expanding volunteer roles for both regular Wikipedia editors and new participants.

We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming edit-a-thons, museum and library projects, education initiatives, and other outreach activities.

We welcome the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from all educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects.

After the main meeting, pizza/chicken/vegetables and refreshments and video games in the gallery!

7:00pm - 9:00 pm at NYU ITP Tisch School of the Arts (4th floor), 721 Broadway
(note that we are not at Babycastles this month)

We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) ~~~~~

P.S. You are also invited to Wikipedia Asian Month Edit-a-thon @ Metropolitan Museum of Art on Sunday November 19!

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Nomination for deletion of Template:Metrolink web[edit]

Ambox warning blue.svgTemplate:Metrolink web has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. James (talk/contribs) 21:04, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

If you find yourself driving in Southern Indiana...[edit]

...you may want to check this out. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 01:55, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

The famed Indiana RTG! I have to imagine the property owner's tired of railfans staking out his yard. Mackensen (talk) 02:02, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

To delete: Jordan Chariton[edit]

Hi there, I saw your name on the deletion page for Jordan Chariton and wanted to alert you that the article has not been deleted. I'm an infrequent user, so no need to respond here but if there is someone who could do that, now would be good. He was just fired from his post at the Young Turks due to sexual allegations, which will likely be added to the page shortly. With only one paragraph, the page would have POV issues in no time. Thank you, petrarchan47คุ 02:22, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

ANI Experiences survey[edit]

The Wikimedia Foundation Community health initiative (led by the Safety and Support and Anti-Harassment Tools team) is conducting a survey for en.wikipedia contributors on their experience and satisfaction level with the Administrator’s Noticeboard/Incidents. This survey will be integral to gathering information about how this noticeboard works - which problems it deals with well, and which problems it struggles with.

The survey should take 10-20 minutes to answer, and your individual responses will not be made public. The survey is delivered through Google Forms. The privacy policy for the survey describes how and when Wikimedia collects, uses, and shares the information we receive from survey participants and can be found here:

If you would like to take this survey, please sign up on this page, and a link for the survey will be mailed to you via Special:Emailuser.

Thank you on behalf of the Support & Safety and Anti-Harassment Tools Teams, Patrick Earley (WMF) talk 18:24, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

ArbCom 2017 election voter message[edit]

Scale of justice 2.svgHello, Mackensen. Voting in the 2017 Arbitration Committee elections is now open until 23.59 on Sunday, 10 December. All users who registered an account before Saturday, 28 October 2017, made at least 150 mainspace edits before Wednesday, 1 November 2017 and are not currently blocked are eligible to vote. Users with alternate accounts may only vote once.

The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail.

If you wish to participate in the 2017 election, please review the candidates and submit your choices on the voting page. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 18:42, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

2017 Military Historian of the Year and Newcomer of the Year nominations and voting[edit]

As we approach the end of the year, the Military History project is looking to recognise editors who have made a real difference. Each year we do this by bestowing two awards: the Military Historian of the Year and the Military History Newcomer of the Year. The co-ordinators invite all project members to get involved by nominating any editor they feel merits recognition for their contributions to the project. Nominations for both awards are open between 00:01 on 2 December 2017 and 23:59 on 15 December 2017. After this, a 14-day voting period will follow commencing at 00:01 on 16 December 2017. Nominations and voting will take place on the main project talkpage: here and here. Thank you for your time. For the co-ordinators, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 08:35, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Elizabeth Peer[edit]

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Elizabeth Peer you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. Time2wait.svg This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Wizardman -- Wizardman (talk) 22:42, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

December 13: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC[edit]

Wednesday December 13, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
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You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Babycastles gallery by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan.

We will include a look at the organization and planning for our chapter, and expanding volunteer roles for both regular Wikipedia editors and new participants.

We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming edit-a-thons, museum and library projects, education initiatives, and other outreach activities.

We welcome the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from all educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects.

After the main meeting, pizza/chicken/vegetables and refreshments and video games in the gallery!

7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Babycastles gallery, 145 West 14th Street
(note the new address, a couple of doors down from the former Babycastles location)

We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 18:43, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

P.S. You are also invited to AfroCROWD Street Culture Wikipedia Edit-a-thon and Year End Celebration on Saturday December 16!

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Your GA nomination of EMD AEM-7[edit]

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article EMD AEM-7 you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. Time2wait.svg This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of RickyCourtney -- RickyCourtney (talk) 02:40, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of EMD AEM-7[edit]

The article EMD AEM-7 you nominated as a good article has passed Symbol support vote.svg; see Talk:EMD AEM-7 for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of RickyCourtney -- RickyCourtney (talk) 06:21, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Elizabeth Peer[edit]

The article Elizabeth Peer you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold Symbol wait.svg. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Elizabeth Peer for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Wizardman -- Wizardman (talk) 03:01, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

User group for Military Historians[edit]

Greetings,

"Military history" is one of the most important subjects when speak of sum of all human knowledge. To support contributors interested in the area over various language Wikipedias, we intend to form a user group. It also provides a platform to share the best practices between military historians, and various military related projects on Wikipedias. An initial discussion was has been done between the coordinators and members of WikiProject Military History on English Wikipedia. Now this discussion has been taken to Meta-Wiki. Contributors intrested in the area of military history are requested to share their feedback and give suggestions at Talk:Discussion to incubate a user group for Wikipedia Military Historians.

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 11:29, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Elizabeth Peer[edit]

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Deletion discussion about Spokane Daily Chronicle[edit]

Hello, Mackensen,

I wanted to let you know that there's a discussion about whether Spokane Daily Chronicle should be deleted. Your comments are welcome at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Spokane Daily Chronicle .

If you're new to the process, articles for deletion is a group discussion (not a vote!) that usually lasts seven days. If you need it, there is a guide on how to contribute. Last but not least, you are highly encouraged to continue improving the article; just be sure not to remove the tag about the deletion nomination from the top.

Thanks,

Slatersteven (talk) 19:29, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

Sunday January 14: Wikipedia Day NYC Celebration and Mini-Conference[edit]

Sunday January 14: Wikipedia Day NYC 2018
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You are invited to join us at Ace Hotel for Wikipedia Day NYC 2018, a Wikipedia celebration and mini-conference as part of the project's global 16th birthday festivities. In addition to the party, the event will be a participatory unconference, with keynotes, plenary panels, lightning talks, and of course open space sessions.

And there will be cake.

We also hope for the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects.

10:00am - 6:30 pm at Ace Hotel, 20 West 29th Street in Manhattan

We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 18:41, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

This Sunday! Wikipedia Day NYC Celebration and Mini-Conference (updated speakers + schedule)[edit]

Sunday January 14: Wikipedia Day NYC 2018
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Part of Wikipedia's global 17th birthday celebration, Wikipedia Day NYC 2018 at Ace Hotel will include a mini-conference of scheduled panels as well as unconference style talks and discussions proposed by attendees on the day of the event. We are very excited to announce speakers such as Jason Scott (Internet Archive), Jackie Koerner (Visiting Scholar, Wiki Ed), and Andrew Lih (Wikimedia DC), as well as a fantastic line-up of panels that highlight projects and issues of relevance to the Wikimedia NYC community.

See Wikipedia Day NYC 2018 speakers + schedule

And there will be cake.

We also hope for the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects.

10:00am - 6:30 pm at Ace Hotel, 20 West 29th Street in Manhattan

We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Megs (talk) 02:22, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

DYK for EMD AEM-7[edit]

Updated DYK query.svgOn 19 January 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article EMD AEM-7, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Amtrak ran "toasters" on the Northeast Corridor for over thirty years? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/EMD AEM-7. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, EMD AEM-7), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 03:18, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Image sizing[edit]

@Mackensen: Hello! I'm interested in this edit you made to the Viewliner article. Are all images in the lead of all articles supposed to be 300 pixels? I know many articles that have lead images larger than this. I thought the image_upright parameter was preferred, as it respects the reader's preferences, per MOS:IMGSIZE. It says lead images should use upright=1.35 at most, and under the section about only using pixels when absolutely necessary, that says no more than 300px for lead images. The part I'm confused about is the table under it, which states that image_upright=1.35 should be the same as imagesize=300px. Am I reading that incorrectly? WP:IMGSIZE seems to say the same thing.–Daybeers (talk) 14:34, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

Well, sorry about that! Turns out I was confused about my thumbnail size preference, and I think I still am. It was on 300px, and I think I like how that looks, but now I feel it might get confusing if I'm trying to format a page with images on it, as I might not be seeing what others would see. What do you have yours set at? –Daybeers (talk) 15:50, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
@Daybeers: I use 220px, which I think is the default, or at least used to be. Mackensen (talk) 17:04, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

February 21: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC[edit]

Wednesday February 21, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
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You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Babycastles gallery by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan.

We will include a look at the organization and planning for our chapter, and expanding volunteer roles for both regular Wikipedia editors and new participants.

We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming edit-a-thons, museum and library projects, education initiatives, and other outreach activities.

We welcome the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from all educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects.

After the main meeting, pizza/chicken/vegetables and refreshments and video games in the gallery!

7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Babycastles gallery, 145 West 14th Street
(note the new address, a couple of doors down from the former Babycastles location)

We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Megs (talk) 22:19, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

P.S. You are also invited to Africa and the Diaspora Edit-a-thon @ Schomburg Center for Black Culture on Saturday February 24!

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Another Daily Mail RfC[edit]

There is an RfC at Talk:Daily Mail#Request for comment: Other criticisms section. Your input would be most helpful. --Guy Macon (talk) 12:26, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

March 21: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC[edit]

Wednesday March 21, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
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Wikimedia New York City logo.svg

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Babycastles gallery by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan.

We will include a look at the organization and planning for our chapter, and expanding volunteer roles for both regular Wikipedia editors and new participants.

We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming edit-a-thons, museum and library projects, education initiatives, and other outreach activities.

We welcome the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from all educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects.

After the main meeting, pizza/chicken/vegetables and refreshments and video games in the gallery!

7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Babycastles gallery, 145 West 14th Street
(note the new address, a couple of doors down from the former Babycastles location)

We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Megs (talk)

P.S. You are also invited to Art + Feminism Events in the New York Metropolitan Area continuing this month!

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CANCELLED: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC[edit]

CANCELLED: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
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Due to the winter storm warning, the WikiWednesday Salon & Skillshare scheduled for March 21st has been cancelled. Please consider attending one of the many edit-a-thons scheduled for this week. We look forward to editing with you soon!

--Megs (talk)

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Type parameter in infobox station[edit]

This is probably a dangerous can of worms to open, but I see you've been adding the type parameter to {{infobox station}}. I think it's an exceptionally silly parameter to have - it either describes the operating company (duplicative of s-rail) or the type of services (duplicative of the very first line of the lede). Either way, it doesn't really add much of anything, but takes up space at the very top of the infobox (i.e, where the most important information should go), and makes it longer as well. (I also think it ruins the visual look of the nicely styled headers, which I feel should have the image directly below them, but that's a side point.) Hence, I've been removing it anytime I've been doing any work on the infobox or lede of an article. But, I want to get your opinions before we start conflicting. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 21:53, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Ah, that's good to know that we're not in total opposition. I've started a thread here. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 04:03, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

April 2018 Milhist Backlog Drive[edit]

G'day all, please be advised that throughout April 2018 the Military history Wikiproject is running its annual backlog elimination drive. This will focus on several key areas:

  • tagging and assessing articles that fall within the project's scope
  • adding or improving listed resources on Milhist's task force pages
  • updating the open tasks template on Milhist's task force pages
  • creating articles that are listed as "requested" on the project's various lists of missing articles.

As with past Milhist drives, there are points awarded for working on articles in the targeted areas, with barnstars being awarded at the end for different levels of achievement.

The drive is open to all Wikipedians, not just members of the Military history project, although only work on articles that fall (broadly) within the scope of military history will be considered eligible. This year, the Military history project would like to extend a specific welcome to members of Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red, and we would like to encourage all participants to consider working on helping to improve our coverage of women in the military. This is not the sole focus of the edit-a-thon, though, and there are aspects that hopefully will appeal to pretty much everyone.

The drive starts at 00:01 UTC on 1 April and runs until 23:59 UTC on 30 April 2018. Those interested in participating can sign up here.

For the Milhist co-ordinators, AustralianRupert and MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 10:53, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC[edit]

Wednesday April 25th, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
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You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly WikiWednesday evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Babycastles gallery. We welcome the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from all educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects.

Is there a project you'd like to share? A question you'd like answered? A Wiki* skill you'd like to learn? Let us know by adding it to the agenda! After the main meeting, pizza and video games in the gallery.

7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Babycastles gallery, 145 West 14th Street
(note the new address, a couple of doors down from the former Babycastles location)

We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our agenda, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Megs (talk)

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Re: LVRR templates[edit]

Sorry. I'm trying to set it up so Camden Station in Baltimore isn't the linked station, which it isn't. Mitch32(My ambition is to hit .400 and talk 1.000.) 21:40, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

  • @Mitchazenia: Understood. The template's designed with that possibility; I tweaked your entry. Mackensen (talk) 22:28, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

May 23: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC[edit]

Wednesday May 23, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
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You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Babycastles gallery by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan.

We will include a look at the organization and planning for our chapter, and expanding volunteer roles for both regular Wikipedia editors and new participants.

We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming edit-a-thons, museum and library projects, education initiatives, and other outreach activities.

We welcome the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from all educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects.

After the main meeting, pizza/chicken/vegetables and refreshments and video games in the gallery!

7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Babycastles gallery, 145 West 14th Street
(note the new address, a couple of doors down from the former Babycastles location)

We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 03:13, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

P.S. You are also invited to Action = History: Wikipedia Edit-a-thon for Asian American Literature on Sunday May 27!

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NYNH&H stations (and a couple other things)[edit]

How do you wish to choose which NYNH&H stations are and aren't shown in templates, given that stopping patterns varied through the decades? For example: there was formerly a Hebronville station between P/CF and Attleboro (see map), but it was probably gone by the 1950s. Conversely, Worcester-bound trains ceased stopping at Groton at some point; by 1955, Norwich was the first stop after New London. (Similarly, Clinton was the first stop after Westbrook by then.) I'm not picky about how we decide which stations to show (perhaps only those in this 1955 timetable?), but we should be consistent.

Second, could you take a quick look at this GA review I'm working on? I'm feeling like the author is being unreasonably obstinate (refusing to accept any of my suggestions about the structure of the article) and somewhat WP:OWN-y ("We can discuss the merits of citation templates if you like, but the bottom line is I won't be doing it." rather bothered me), but it's also entirely possible that I'm just being too picky.

Third, you really ought to archive your talk page - it's getting a bit unwieldy at this point. Cheers, Pi.1415926535 (talk) 22:09, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

  • You raise a good point about stations, one that's applicable for other former railroads as well. I'd like to straddle a line between inclusive and useful--a sea of redlinks aren't navigable. I've been working from a couple sources: that 1955 timetable, a 1967 timetable, a Penn Central employee timetable from 1974, Official Guides of the Railways from 1910 and 1950, and the USRA Final System Plan which led to the creation of Conrail. I'm leaning toward the 1955 timetable as representative, although obviously if someone writes an article about a pre-1955 station it should be included.
  • Re Groton, I was aware of Groton station (Connecticut) but didn't link to it because I wasn't sure it was the same station site. A Worcester-bound train couldn't have stopped there, right?
  • Happy to have a look at said GA and offer whatever feedback I can.
  • Talk page archived. I've settled into the April-April archive, but I never remember to do it. Thanks for the reminder :). Mackensen (talk) 22:22, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
Regarding Mason, I'd certainly prefer to see citation templates used for references, but I wouldn't making it a sticking point for a GA review. The article structure doesn't seem too unusual; I read over the review and I can understand why the author made the choices he did. On some GA reviews I've done the citation maintenance myself, but usually they were transport articles where I felt comfortable with the subject matter. WP:CITEVAR is in play here as well. Mackensen (talk) 22:32, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
There have been a few different station locations in Groton - the original Groton Bank stations (where Pfizer is now), one right at the wye that served both Boston and Worcester trains, the short-lived Amtrak station east of the wye at Bridge Street, and Poquonnock (Midway) station where Bluff Point State Park is. My intention is to cover all of them in the article, as they share a great deal of common history.
Westbrook is the only example I can think of on the NH system (other than a few now-CTfastrak stations) where a station discontinued that early on a line that retained passenger service is a current or likely article. I think we can handle those one-by-one when they occur.
Thanks for the GA comments. I'll continue with the review. I'll never understand why some editors are so resistant to using citation templates - I would be quite useless at citing anything without them. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 22:44, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
@Pi.1415926535: Speaking of succession templates, your input would be valuable on Talk:Tower City Center. Mackensen (talk) 01:01, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for June 10[edit]

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Template:NETransit[edit]

Could you help me with {{NETransit}}? I'm trying to set it up that it will say "Page numbers are accurate to the <month><day>, <year> version." (with a link) after the {{cite web}} if the {{{version}}} parameter has a YYYYMMDD code, and say nothing otherwise. Right now, the former works, but it throws an error if the version is not specified. I'm sure there's some basic template function I'm unaware of. Thanks, Pi.1415926535 (talk) 01:47, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

@Pi.1415926535: I think it's fixed. You need to ensure there's a value to compare against, even if it's 0. Mackensen (talk) 01:51, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

June 20: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC (and Pratt Women Wikipedia Design this Saturday June 16)[edit]

Wednesday June 20, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
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You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Babycastles gallery by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan. Is there a project you'd like to share? A question you'd like answered? A Wiki* skill you'd like to learn? Let us know by adding it to the agenda.

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Four Award[edit]

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DYK nomination of Highland Branch[edit]

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DYK for Highland Branch[edit]

Updated DYK query.svgOn 30 June 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Highland Branch, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that locomotives completed a circuit on the Boston and Albany Railroad's Highland Branch? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Highland Branch. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Highland Branch), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Laughingmatters95[edit]

Another ducky Oanabay sock, it appears. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 01:06, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Caltrain s-rail templates[edit]

Do you have any thoughts on how to handle the oversized s-rail templates for Caltrain? On some stations, like Millbrae station, it's as tall as the rest of the infobox. My first thought would be to only show peak-direction Baby Bullet patterns (reducing 4 rows to 2) and figure out some way to simplify the limited patterns (2 rows into 1). Pi.1415926535 (talk) 01:38, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

  • @Pi.1415926535: I've never liked showing service patterns in the templates. It's one thing with the Baby Bullet where there's an actual article on the service and the stopping patterns are dramatically different. That said, Caltrain does call them out in the published timetables. I think I'd collapse down to a maximum of three rows (local, limited, and express), and alter the service names to link out to the "Train numbering scheme" section to make it clear that these are real groupings. I've interacted with the Caltrain articles for years without realizing that. Mackensen (talk) 01:49, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for the thoughts! There are two distinct Baby Bullet patterns, but I think it should be reducible to a maximum four rows in most cases. I've also linked the service patterns as you suggested. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 02:26, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
I'd also appreciate your thoughts at Template talk:S-rail/lines#Revert. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 22:06, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Thursday July 12: Wiki Loves Pride Edit-a-thon @ Jefferson Market Library[edit]

Thursday July 12, 5-8pm: Wiki Loves Pride Edit-a-thon @ Jefferson Market Library
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Wikimedia NYC invites you to attend a Wiki Loves Pride Edit-a-thon on Thursday, July 12th at Jefferson Market Library! Wiki Loves Pride is a global campaign to expand and improve LGBT-related content across all Wikimedia projects, in all languages. We are holding this year's event in July in order to support folx who want to contribute a photograph they took at one of NYC's many Pride events or edit an article about something they learned this June. Not sure what to contribute? No problem! We will have a list of articles that need your help.

5:00pm - 8:00 pm at Jefferson Market Library, 425 6th Ave

--Megs (talk) 14:57, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

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Nomination for deletion of Template:S-line/HK-MTR left/761P[edit]

Ambox warning blue.svgTemplate:S-line/HK-MTR left/761P has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Jc86035 (talk) 14:36, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Illinois Zephyr and Carl Sandburg[edit]

Okay, I'll have some time this weekend to potentially do a merge. Think I should boldly merge, or do a merge request? Pi.1415926535 (talk) 07:00, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

  • I'm tempted to say that no discussion is necessary, given the precedent of Illini and Saluki and also Chicagoan and Kansas Cityan which I earlier this year. There's no contrary facts; Carl Sandburg was added at the same time as the Saluki and for the same reason. Mackensen (talk) 12:54, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
Okay, done! I'm cleaning up templates, wikidata, etc now. Does Template:Amtrak Carl Sandburg need a proper deletion discussion, or can you speedy it as redundant? Pi.1415926535 (talk) 03:00, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Sunday July 29: Annual Wiki-Picnic @ Prospect Park[edit]

Sunday July 29, 2-7pm: Annual Wiki-Picnic
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You are invited to join us the "picnic anyone can edit" in Brooklyn's green Prospect Park, as part of the Great American Wiknic celebrations being held across the USA. Remember it's a wiki-picnic, which means potluck.

2–7pm - come by any time! Our reserved picnicking area is by Bartel-Pritchard Square entrance, located at Prospect Park West and 15th Street.
The picnic will be held by the park's Bartel-Pritchard Square entrance immediately on the lawn to your right as you walk through the lovely lotus columns.
Look for us by the Wikipedia / Wikimedia NYC banner!

We hope to see you there! --Pharos (talk) 08:23, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

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Question about railroad line categories[edit]

How are you treating situations where an old railroad built a station that was used by Amtrak, then was replaced with a new station close nearby. Leaving the old "former railroad station" or removing it completely? Example of Pontiac station (Illinois) where I've been changing Category:Alton Railroad stations to Category:Former Chicago and Alton Railroad stations. GFOLEY FOUR!— 02:01, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

  • If the history of the former station is covered in the new article I tend to leave the category in place (assuming there's no separate article on the former station). Otherwise, I take the category out. I doubt I've been 100% consistent. Mackensen (talk) 02:50, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:HK-MTR stations[edit]

Ambox warning blue.svgTemplate:HK-MTR stations has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Jc86035 (talk) 20:42, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

disaster with respect to Soo Line Depot disambiguation[edit]

Hey, what's up? You have destroyed the previously existing disambiguation of places named "Soo Line Depot", replacing it with a list of places seemingly NOT named "Soo Line Depot". Hey that's unacceptable. Among other things, you deleted legitimate redlink entries for places of that name which are notable by dint of their being listed on the National Register of Historic Places. For now, I am going to restore the previous version. I do believe you have information that is appropriate to be incorporated somehow, although not at cost of making the disambiguation page completely non-compliant with Wikipedia guidelines. Please discuss at Talk:Soo Line Depot and/or here, and ping me or post to my Talk page if I seem not to notice postings. I do appreciate you are surely trying to improve Wikipedia and thank you for your contributions. Sincerely, --Doncram (talk) 23:26, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

Hey, i see also that in this edit you removed a category of Northern Pacific Railway stations from a place which is now a museum. I expect that it is no longer a current railway station, but our categories and list-articles include former places as well as current ones. I will revert that change. Hey, what's up, are you by chance new here? I am not sure what to do in terms of reviewing all of your recent changes for possible reversions, and/or posting at a noticeboard for others to review what you're doing. You also moved many railway station articles, without using the wp:RM process (which works really well to bring to bear considered judgment). I am not into having conflict, but these several edits seem rash. --Doncram (talk) 23:44, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
@Doncram: I left a comment at Northern Pacific Railway Museum explaining my rationale there. Regarding moves, WP:RM really isn't necessary for uncontroversial move. There's strong consensus that NRHP names (which weren't even followed in many cases) aren't appropriate for railway station articles. I think that's settled, else I wouldn't have done it. Inasmuch as "Soo Line Depot" is often used to refer to some of those stations I pointed them at where the articles are actually located. If they should be titled with the NRHP names instead (where accurate and appropriate) I have no objection to that, though I question the utility of such a change. On your last point, it's my impression that disambiguation pages do not in general contain red links. I used to add them myself and found I would get reverted, so I stopped the practice. All the best, Mackensen (talk) 23:50, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
To isolate just one point, redlinks are explicitly allowed on disambiguation pages, per MOS:DABRL. A redlink entry is supposed to also include a bluelink to a regular article that shows the redlink in context, i.e. supports the idea that the topic is Wikipedia-notable. On the Soo Line Depot disambiguation page, there were three redlink entries which were not in fact supported by bluelinks. So, a combative deletionist/obstructionist literal obstinate Wikipedia editor (not saying at all that you are one; you are in fact reporting some lack of full understanding of the type of conflict that goes on sometimes) could claim to be justified in simply deleting them. However, if you clicked on their redlinks, and then on "what links here", you would have found the corresponding NRHP list-articles which link to them. And, i would much prefer that you or others simple improve the disambiguation page entries by adding those corresponding bluelinks in a supporting fashion, as I have now done at that disambiguation page. You mention having had redlinks deleted; I hope you will be supportive of defending good redlinks in the future. --Doncram (talk) 00:08, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
@Doncram: I stand corrected on the question of red links on disambiguation pages; though it amounts to a technicality. In my case there were no additional links from other articles. It's a minor matter. Mackensen (talk) 00:14, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
Thanks about this. About whether it "amounts to a technicality" and that it's "a minor matter", well that is a matter of perspective. In the past there have been editors who basically attacked disambiguation pages in Category:Disambig-Class National Register of Historic Places articles with many tens or hundreds or thousands of edits based on their perspective about what matters, at great cost to me and other editors. I am not bent on proving you wrong in some way. I would simply like for good naming of articles to stand, and for good disambiguation pages helping readers to find their way to these articles, to stand. I don't understand what you mean by "In my case there were no additional links from other articles": as I said the redlink items did have incoming links from NRHP list-articles. Again there should have been supporting bluelinks already like what I just added, like "NRHP-listed in whatever County, State", so your not seeing their deeper, fundamental validity is understandable. In general, wherever there are conflicts in Wikipedia, it helps if editors can narrow the field of disagreement/non-understanding before bringing matters to a larger forum for review. --Doncram (talk) 00:55, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
I'm unaware of these broader conflicts; I'm simply saying that when my links were removed no articles beyond the disambiguation page linked to those articles. Per the guideline you linked those links should (and were) removed. That's all. I have no strong views on this particular question and consider it closed. Mackensen (talk) 00:59, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but you seem to be re-asserting something false. For example, the Soo Line Depot (Remer, Minnesota) redlink item in the Soo Line Depot disambiguation page, the article National Register of Historic Places listings in Cass County, Minnesota linked to that redlink. Similarly for two others that you deleted. The correct thing to do editorially would be to add the supporting bluelink. Same for two other items there. It's not true that "no articles beyond the disambiguation page linked to those articles". --Doncram (talk) 22:05, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
No, you're misunderstanding me. I'm referring to an incident years ago, in which my addition of red links was reverted, which formed my impression of how to handle disambiguation pages. Mackensen (talk) 22:12, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Stop with moves of railway stations[edit]

Hey, I see in your recent edit history multiple moves of railway station articles, including this move. I think these are moves are all controversial and are not compliant with guidelines. Please don't move any more. I will, today or tomorrow, open a review of all of these to have them all moved back probably. You moved them to names that you seem to be assuming, by your original research or your own original reasoning, to be "common names" for these places, without regard for actual common/official names existing for the places. This is not right. You should have used the formal wp:RM process, but perhaps you did not view these moves as likely to be controversial. --Doncram (talk) 23:54, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Nope. These moves are all correct and per established naming policy, and your aggressive tone here is ridiculous. That move you linked to was perfectly fine to make without a RM, and I would have done the same. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 23:58, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
@Doncram: I've probably made over a hundred such moves over the last few months. I don't think these are at all controversial. Far from using original research or reasoning I'm following Wikipedia:Naming conventions (US stations), which is a guideline. I'm unaware of any guideline which says that one or more names listed on the NRHP form should be preferred. Certainly it shouldn't be accepted as an official name as many such names are clearly descriptive. Mackensen (talk) 23:59, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
Okay, noted that you have done a lot more, which I think are likely to include more controversial ones. And noted that some other editor is supportive of your recent moves. Do let's continue to be civil. However, my request stands. It may take more effort now to review and retrieve more of your moves, for a full discussion. Thanks. --Doncram (talk) 00:11, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
@Doncram: It would be helpful if you could draw my attention to the policies and guidelines which inform your claim that these moves are controversial. Simply stating that the are doesn't make them so, and doesn't give me much to go on to understand where you're coming from. Mackensen (talk) 00:16, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
Yes, certainly a standard "X station" name is better than the jumbled mess that the NRHP gives its stations. There are numerous stations that are listed under awful titles such as "X railroad-Y depot" or even listed under a far newer railroad. (Burlington Northern Depot seems to be be common) The one station that I saw that I could have some objection to is Omaha station (Chicago, Burlington and Quincy Railroad), which seems to have common name usage of "Burlington Station" in sources and the current use as a TV station. GFOLEY FOUR!— 01:38, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
That's always been my concern with NRHP names. They're descriptive and obviously not official in any context beyond the NRHP. That's fine and I'm happy to note them in the NRHP infobox and somewhere in the main text, but we can't use them to settle article titles when there's a specific guideline in play.
Regarding Omaha, my concern there is that "Burlington Station" or "Burlington station" could in generic parlance mean any station connected with the CB&Q, its ancestors and descendants, and also any station in place named Burlington. It's getting disambiguated no matter what. Better to lead with the place where the station is found. Mackensen (talk) 01:45, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
Okay, i understand from your move of this NRHP-listed railway station that you are giving me a big "fuck you" to my request that you do not make further moves. I do sincerely regard this as contested. In my opinion, you appear to be basically making shit up, for the sake of making shit up that seems more common to you, rather than accepting somewhat more formal National Register of Historic Places listed names. I requested that you do not make contested moves. My assertion that your moves are contested is evidence that they are contested. Great. See you in court, so to speak, in a day or two. --Doncram (talk) 04:07, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
(talk page watcher) NRHP names are not always suitable for article titles. For one thing, every word in the name is usually capitalized even if the name is obviously invented or entirely descriptive (e.g. "28th Street Subway Station (IRT)", which we can't use in its entirety for multiple reasons). MOS explicitly encourages avoiding capitalization as much as possible. Jc86035 (talk) 05:40, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
@Doncram: Until you answer my question regarding policies and guidelines (see above) I don't know that there's much more to discuss here. As should be clear to you from the discussion here, far from "making shit up" I'm following guidelines which enjoy consensus. That you apparently don't like these guidelines does not, in itself, make these or other moves "controversial." All the best, Mackensen (talk) 10:59, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
@Doncram: I see you're starting to move pages despite the discussion here. That seems unproductive. Mackensen (talk) 19:25, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

For those who have been following along at home, I have opened a formal move request at Talk:Little Falls and Dakota Depot#Requested move 3 August 2018. This strikes me as avoidable bureaucracy, but needs must. Mackensen (talk) 19:41, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Before any more mass moves of articles about places on the National Register, please discuss this with the NRHP project at some central location. Jonathunder (talk) 21:40, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

  • @Jonathunder: Can you point me in the direction of the guideline which the NRHP project uses in determining the names of articles? I looked around but couldn't find one. Mackensen (talk) 21:55, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
We tend to go by WP:COMMONNAME broadly and sources for individual articles specifically, which means we don't generally impose names globally and frown on mass moves. But let's discuss this. Jonathunder (talk) 22:00, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
It's been my impression that articles are simply named after whatever's in the NRHP forms; it's questionable at best that these represent the common name. If the project does tend to depart from these then that's probably wise but (a) that's not reflected in the articles I've encountered and (b) that suggests we should employ naming guidelines where possible so that we're not reinventing the wheel on each and every page. Mackensen (talk) 22:14, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Depew station[edit]

The disambiguation page Depew station has four entries, three of which are only red links. Per MOS:DABRED, “A link to a non-existent article (a "red link") should only be included on a disambiguation page when a linked article (not just other disambiguation pages) also includes that red link.” Searching Wikipedia shows that there are no other links to (or even mentions of) those other stations, only the new one.

Disambiguation pages are not articles; they are supposed to help the reader to navigate to the article they want. Thus, there must be a blue link (and only one!) for each entry. This page will probably eventually become a dab page, but only after articles on the other stations are written. Right now, it makes a good redirect to Buffalo–Depew station. — Gorthian (talk) 18:46, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

  • @Gorthian: I'm working on a follow-up article right now, and I had (per MOS:DABRED) created red links to all the articles in question. I'm not sure why you didn't see them, but they exist. Lehigh Valley Terminal links to the Erie and Lehigh Valley Railroad articles, while Buffalo Central Terminal links to the New York Central article. That aside, Buffalo–Depew station doesn't discuss the complicated back history of the three other stations and isn't a good target. Mackensen (talk) 19:36, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
I figured you were working on them. :-) But MOS:DABRED doesn’t say that a red link is okay as an entry; it says that there must be a blue-linked article for each entry, too (with certain conditions).
I did find two of your red links in an article, where they showed up as the next stations on a line, but linking that article really didn’t give the reader any information about the other stations. (I missed them because I was searching on “Depew station” and they show as just “Depew”.)
Leave the redirect for now; when your new article(s) is ready, that’s when to make the dab page. — Gorthian (talk) 19:49, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

About the protection of "Union Medical Healthcare Limited"[edit]

I know that there are sources that show it is credible, but it is mostly in Chinese. It seems like it is notable enough at only the Chinese circle.--1233Talk 07:13, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

  • I have no strong views; frankly I didn't remember-speedy deleting and protecting the article. Draft:Union Medical Healthcare Limited need to go through the WP:AFC process, which is backlogged. The draft is certainly better-written (and shorter) than the previous version. Mackensen (talk) 11:04, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Precious anniversary[edit]

Precious
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Five years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:04, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

six, and remembered --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:33, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

August 29: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC[edit]

Wednesday August 29, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
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You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Babycastles gallery by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan. Is there a project you'd like to share? A question you'd like answered? A Wiki* skill you'd like to learn? Let us know by adding it to the agenda.

We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming edit-a-thons, museum and library projects, education initiatives, and other outreach activities.

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(note the new address, a couple of doors down from the former Babycastles location)

We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 23:52, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

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Wikiproject Military history coordinator election nominations open[edit]

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New Haven State Street station[edit]

Hello, I have opened a discussion on Talk:New Haven State Street station re: the lede. Best, Markvs88 (talk) 13:20, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

September 26: WikiWednesday Salon / Wikimedia NYC Annual Meeting[edit]

Wednesday September 26, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon / Wikimedia NYC Annual Meeting
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"Train station"[edit]

While researching my RM of Van Nuys train station, I came across Bristol Train Station. It's NRHP but not at the NRHP name, and a likely future Amtrak station. Could you do the move to Bristol station (Virginia)? Thanks, Pi.1415926535 (talk) 20:31, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

  • Done. I'll leave a note on the talk page about the Transdominion article. Mackensen (talk) 22:09, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

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Stop with moves of railway stations (2)[edit]

Hi, I recall previously posting here, and my browser recalls it too, suggesting "Stop with moves of railway stations" as section title. And there was an organized wp:RM about one of your previous moves, which ended with your preferred naming NOT being accepted, and I thought that you would absorb that as feedback from the community. Please do stop. You have been informed, now, again, that other editor(s) perceive your moves to be controversial, and therefore you should not make any such moves without a proper wp:RM process. For places listed on the NRHP, please give notice of any RM at wt:NRHP.

I see in section above that your recent move of a Virginia railway station was per a request. I noticed it separately, already, and reverted it. I also noticed your move of Lester Depot, which I returned to the name supported in sourcing, and I removed your unsupported assertion that it is named "Lester station". Per the previous RM discussion, and per all usual Wikipedia practices, you are not allowed to impose any personal preference you have for how places should be named; you must follow wikipedia article naming practices, which basically follow documented common naming.

Your moves have been labelled with link to wp:USSTATION, which by my reading does not support your moves. That essay(?) states the obvious fact that numerous railway stations have common names, and those commons names are what should be used. I don't get why the essay gives any guidance at all for how to name railway stations which do not have common names, as I doubt that wikipedia should cover any such places.

Please also see Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (US stations)#Status as "guideline" disputed. By what authority is this labelled a "guideline"?. Depending on how that goes, I will seek to have wp:USSTATION clarified or deleted. But as it stands now, it does not provide justification for moving any train stations from their names supported in sources. --Doncram (talk) 16:27, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Mackensen’s moves have all been perfectly kosher according to consensus and the guidelines. Please keep up the good work.—Cúchullain t/c 11:56, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Sun October 14: Open House New York Weekend Upload Party @ NYU ITP and Indigenous People's Justice Edit-a-thon @ Interference Archive[edit]

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WP:IRLSTATION and Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Australian and New Zealand stations)[edit]

Hi Mackensen, as you were instrumental in crafting WP:USSTATION, I'd much appreciate if you could take a look at two proposed station conventions, WP:IRLSTATION and Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Australian and New Zealand stations). The former is pretty much ready but the second one needs more work and some decision making.--Cúchullain t/c 14:18, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

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Nominations now open for "Military historian of the year" and "Military history newcomer of the year" awards[edit]

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Buffalo, New York[edit]

Hello. I mistakenly reverted one of your edits in Buffalo, New York few weeks ago. I do not know why I was confused about your edit -- I thought you were deleting information when you were in fact simply separating a blob of texts into two paragraphs. I have reverted the section back, to reflect the changes you tried to make. My apologies. K2323 (talk) 21:47, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

  • No worries, thanks for the note. Mackensen (talk) 01:39, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

The Builder - redux[edit]

Hi Mackensen - you kindly found a URL allowing me to download The Buider vol 61 a few days ago. I have the PDF, downloaded via your link; but find today that the link you supplied gets me an Error 403. Mainly out of academic interest, but also because I'd like to provide a link against a couple of commons images which I've uploaded from the PDF ... do you have a clue what's causing the 403, or a clue as to how you got the link in the first place (I'm thinking it might have been weirdly time-limited)? The Resource Request discussion is here. Any light you can shed would be most welcome. thanks. --Tagishsimon (talk) 07:25, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

  • No idea about the 403. I obtained the link by clicking on the "Ebook - free" link at the left, which I assumed is suppressed for you. That added it to my library, and I was able to get a download link. Possibly the links are time-limited? Mackensen (talk) 15:47, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. Good to know. Yes, suppressed. Not a huge problem; and I've asked them to make it full access in the UK, so fingers crossed. Thanks again for your help - it's yielded a couple of lovely images at the top of the new Battersea Town Hall. --Tagishsimon (talk) 15:59, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
Looks great, well done! Mackensen (talk) 16:09, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

January 13: Wikimedia NYC invites you to Wikipedia Day 2019[edit]

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Today's Wikipedian 10 years ago[edit]

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"Generic template" edits[edit]

What's up with shoving {{Rail color}} and {{station link}} into all those RDTs? Besides replacing smaller, system-specific templates, you're also introducing unnecessary code bloat! For example, in this recent edit, compare:

#{{PLR color|blue}} #{{Rail color|PAAC|Blue Line|Library}}
19 characters 38 characters – 100% increase!
and
{{stnd|Allegheny|PAT}}|{{color box|#{{PLR color|red}} {{station link|PAAC|Allegheny}}|{{color box|#{{Rail color|PAAC|Red Line|South Hills Village}}
53 characters 93 characters – 75% increase

then multiply by the ten or twenty – or 100 – rows of each diagram…

And then there's also the pointless increase in server load: {{PLR color}} is a nice, simple #switch statement that returns a hex value, whereas {{Rail color|PAAC}} invokes Module:Adjacent stations (1,000+ lines of code) that executes the local function getColor(), which is an unacceptable REDUNDANTFORK from {{PLR color}}. And did it ever occur to you to at least place a note on the perfectly good existing templates to the effect that you’ve gone and created all these forking sub-modules? The least you could do is reduce the amount of dross you’ve added and use the short forms “{{rcr}}”, “{{rcb}}” and “{{stl}}”. (I suppose that changing the old templates into wrappers/redirects for the S-line calls would be too much ask.) Useddenim (talk) 04:33, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

  • @Useddenim: Template:Adjacent stations is a replacement for the S-line family of templates. I didn't create the base system, but I did implement for PAAC and other systems. It's an improvement in a number of ways. For one, Module:Adjacent stations/PAAC replaces at least four main templates: Template:PLR color, Template:PLR lines, Template:PLR stations, and Template:PLR style, plus all the related sub-templates of S-line for that particular system. All the interrelated display information for a system are unified in a single place. I see no effective purpose in using the "short form" over the "long form"; it doesn't make a material difference in page load and reduces the readability of the underlying code. If that's a change you want to make, fine, but I can't see that it makes much difference. Regarding the use of stnd, I would point out that every single link it generated was a redirect because it didn't leverage the actual system station templates, and thus didn't account for the fact that those articles moved years ago. Station link does, and that's a real benefit. Finally, character count doesn't translate to an increase in server load. You'd need to look at the actual byte usage in template expansion. I can't recall that ever being a big deal with s-line, and I seriously doubt it is with these LUA modules. Best, Mackensen (talk) 12:32, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Also, passing a generic blue into PLR color, for example, isn't very resilient and it's how we wind up with five aliases for every line. There are two "Blue" colored lines in the Pittsburgh system. Calling one of them explicitly is no bad thing. Mackensen (talk) 12:33, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Further regarding performance, you can compare the pre-conversion and current iterations of Template:Pittsburgh Blue Line:
Metric Old New
Real time usage 0.464 seconds 0.461 seconds
Template argument size 196988/2097152 bytes 197244/2097152 bytes
Lua memory usage 1.38 MB/50 MB 2.4 MB/50 MB
  • It's basically a wash, and the addition of 602 bytes of wikimarkup doesn't register. Mackensen (talk) 12:44, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Re: LVRR[edit]

You're a far better coder than I am. I am doing this with what little knowledge I can muster. Mitch32(My ambition is to hit .400 and talk 1.000.) 04:42, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

Ani[edit]

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. --Cards84664 (talk) 18:55, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Template:Amtrak Lincoln Service[edit]

I think you understand this stuff so would you please check the edit on 11 December 2018‎ by a new user at Template:Amtrak Lincoln Service. Johnuniq (talk) 07:12, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

  • @Johnuniq: It's fine. It's true that the Empire Builder and Hiawatha Service are available northbound connections out of Chicago, but there's no relationship with the Lincoln Service. Mackensen (talk) 12:22, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Module:Rail[edit]

I saw that Ythlev recreated Template:Sidebar Rail, and it once again referred to Adjacent stations as the "Old version" I have re-redirected all instances of Module:Rail to Module:Adjacent stations. If you want to pursue an afd of Module:Rail, be my guest. Cards84664 (talk) 23:47, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

<side note: The correct venue for deleting Module:Rail would be RfD or TfD, not AfD> {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 23:51, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
I'll backtrack on that, I'll do the nomination. Thank you for the correct name. Cards84664 (talk) 23:57, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

I'm not opposed to a refactoring, provided there's a good reason and steps taken to prevent breakage. This certainly isn't the way to go about it, and it's interfering with the normal development of the module. Mackensen (talk) 00:16, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

Metrolinx[edit]

You seem to have misinterpreted the function of Metrolinx. They do not actually operate anything. They fund and construct projects but the operation is given over to either the local transit authority or GO Transit for regional operations. Secondarywaltz (talk) 20:02, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

  • @Secondarywaltz: I don't recall saying Metrolink operated anything, but they do appear to be a container which holds UPE, GO Transit, and the transitway, among other projects. That doesn't make UPE "part" of GO Transit. Mackensen (talk) 20:09, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

Module:Adjacent Stations/PAAC[edit]

Hey, I've been working on articles of each station on the West Busway operated by the Port Authority of Allegheny County. So far I've done Carnegie and Bell. However, the adjacent stations module isn't working for me because I have had to name the articles "Carnegie station (PAAC)" and "Bell station (PAAC)" respectively, rather than whatever you have the data set as. I know almost nothing about the module itself, and was just wondering if you could help out.

Thanks, Bacon — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bacon BMW (talkcontribs) 03:31, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

  • @Bacon BMW: Hello, nice work on those articles. Bell and Carnegie needed to be added as exceptions to the standard naming rule in the module. I've added them: [4]. Best, Mackensen (talk) 03:37, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Feb 27 WikiWednesday Salon + Mar 2 MoMA Art+Feminism and beyond[edit]

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Station link template[edit]

Hi Mackensen! I have been away from Wikipedia for a while to focus on real life, but have recently been trying to return. I was looking through the edits of the articles I care about the most, and found this edit you made earlier this month. I'm not quite sure why the templates had to be changed from {{amtk}} to {{station link}}. I know there's been this whole thing about using the new adjacent stations module: maybe you can explain that bit to me and I'll understand it? If it was necessary, why not save characters and use {{stl}}? Thanks in advance! –Daybeers (talk) 06:47, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

  • The issue with Amtk is that it uses {{Amtrak stations}}, which is deprecated in favor of Module:Adjacent stations/Amtrak (used in conjunction with {{Adjacent stations}}). Station link supports both; it falls back to traditional s-line templates if there's no Adjacent stations module defined. There's an ongoing discussion, which I believe you've participated in, at Template talk:Amtk about either updating that template to support the new data module or simply deprecating it. I don't think it's a big deal to save a couple characters; it doesn't affect page load speed or anything else. Mackensen (talk) 17:14, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Can't it just be a redirect? There are many pages that link to the template, so it would be a pain to have to change the templates on each article as well as the route templates. The advantage to using the adjacent stations module is speed, correct? –Daybeers (talk) 18:09, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
  • There are several advantages to the Adjacent stations module. Speed is one; centralizing all the s-line functionality (including the line templates) in a single place is another. It also eliminates the need for the complex |rows= and |hide= logic; it handles all that automatically. The template could absolutely be redirected, and I suggested that as a possibility. The only issue is that Adjacent stations doesn't support the |state= parameter; anything using that would need to be updated. The Amtrak adjacent stations module uses line-based disambiguation and a few special keys. Anyway, we should have this conversation at Template talk:Amtk. I'd created a demonstration redirected module earlier in the month and linked to it from there. Mackensen (talk) 20:11, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

March 20: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC + March 23: Asian Art Archive/New York Public Library[edit]

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Module:Adjacent stations/RTA Rapid Transit[edit]

Preceding station GCRTA wordmark logo.svg Rapid Transit Following station
West Green
toward Tower City
Green Line Terminus

Can you help me figure out what I did wrong? Cards84664 (talk) 21:05, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Misplaced bracket that was preventing the module from recognizing any lines after Blue. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 21:39, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

McGregor station (BC)[edit]

A year or so ago, when I read this article as a complete novice in Wikipedia matters, I was so taken back by its glaring inaccuracies that I added the warning, The information in paragraph 2 is wholly inaccurate. A corrected version has been added to the McGregor, British Columbia article. This paragraph has since been removed and replaced by a disputed factual accuracy warning. I can vouch that the McGregor, BC article is accurate in essence (awaiting the input of additional information and the correction of minor errors), but the McGregor station one is largely misinformation, confirmable by a cursory review of railway timetables.

I assume the reference to the McGregor, BC article was removed because the narrative regarding the post-office location in the BC Geographical Names website was confused with the station location. This is an understandable mistake, because the article could easily be misinterpreted by anyone unfamiliar with the subject matter. I am progressively updating the Wikipedia articles for the East Line towns, drawing upon my latest sources of railway and other material, but this is a slow and time-consuming process. Unfortunately, the only article to date that fully embraces this data is Shelley, BC. A glance at the "Railway" section of that article should indicate that I equally possess a fairly comprehensive knowledge of other East Line stops such as McGregor.

What is now called McGregor has never been anything but a flag stop. The former community is long gone and if a station building ever existed, it would have been merely a small shelter. Dewey, on the other hand, like Guilford, had a station building, but the nearest community was a mile or two away. If the Grand Trunk Pacific had chosen a different route, the various places would never have appeared on the map. The history of the towns, which largely revolved around the lumber industry, cannot be divorced from the railway's presence. Consequently, the railway section of the respective Wikipedia articles for the communities is fundamental.

Stub articles such as Willow River station, Aleza Lake station, Upper Fraser station, McGregor station, Hutton station (Hutton Mills reference another confusion with PO name), Longworth station, Penny station, and Dome Creek station, are misleading in that they are not even stations, but merely flag stops with no platforms or buildings whatsoever. The passenger train passes each way only once every second day, and with so few residents, stops at most locations would be a rarity. These stub articles contain no additional information not included in the respective articles for the actual communities themselves, and any intrinsic value these articles may have once possessed no longer exists.

I recommend to you as a Wikipedia authority to attach a notification for the removal of these insignificant articles and to reinstate the railway categories for the respective community articles themselves, so that anyone selecting those categories for research purposes, or is reading a Wikipedia article linking to those categories, can at least gain some useful information on what is and has been the railroad's impact on those localities. I suspect if these stub articles had been written today, they would not have passed a Wikipedia review to move beyond the draft stage.

I became involved in Wikipedia in late 2017, when I stumbled upon "Hansard (railway point)", which was scheduled for deletion. Although I now realize that much of my understanding at the time was flaky, I at least knew there was something worth saving. My now more informed self cannot say the same for the respective articles on minor flag stops that stretch from Willow River to Dome Creek. I appreciate, that like me, railroads are your special interest, but as a BC resident, I can assure you these specimens are not worth resuscitating. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DMBanks1 (talkcontribs) 23:50, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

  • @DMBanks1: I appreciate your coming by. I should start by noting that I know very little about British Columbia and edited this set of articles because I was working on Via Rail station/stops in general. I replaced your manual warning with the accuracy disputed template because that's the common way to indicate a problem, and because it wasn't clear to me what the problem actually was. I now have a better understanding of the situation and can offer a few suggestions. I'm not sure there's any consensus on what to do with flag stops, particularly when there are no facilities. A redirection to the community in question might be appropriate, but if so the categories should remain on the redirect, and not on the community. The latter looks wrong, and they'll probably get removed. I think the flag stop question should be raised with a broader audience, probably at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains. Best, Mackensen (talk) 00:03, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

April 17: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC + April 4 and 5: LaGuardia Community College Translatathon 2019[edit]

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Barstow Harvey House[edit]

I came across this article today and noticed you indefinitely semi-protected it three years ago. Do you think it still needs to be semi-protected? It seems like most of the vandalism took place in late 2015, and hopefully the vandals have moved on with their lives by now. I figured I should ask you before changing it myself, though. TheCatalyst31 ReactionCreation 00:26, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

  • @TheCatalyst31: Thanks for the nudge, I'd forgotten all about protecting the article. I've unprotected, and we'll see how things go. Best, Mackensen (talk) 12:41, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

E60[edit]

Do you have a copy of the Cudder source for the E60? The sentence in the E60 article is the only reference I've seen to E60s operating on the Keystone Service. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 05:08, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Module:Adjacent stations/Brightline[edit]

Ambox warning blue.svgModule:Adjacent stations/Brightline has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the module's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Daybeers (talk) 03:33, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Dollar General Bowl logo.png[edit]

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Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in section F5 of the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Aspects (talk) 22:57, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Rail templates[edit]

Hey, could you take a look at these templates? They are unused but you haven't nominated them so wasn't sure what their status is. Template:SE-Hesse color, Template:SE-Hesse lines, Template:SEMTA lines, Template:SEMTA stations, Template:SEPTA lines/branches, Template:SEQ-rail-network, Template:SESHR lines, Template:SESHR stations, Template:SFP&P color, Template:SFP&P lines, Template:SFP&P stations, Template:SFSR station. Thanks! --Gonnym (talk) 16:12, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

I can speedy those if you'd like. Cards84664 (talk) 16:51, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
I expected Template:SEPTA lines/branches to be deleted along with Template:SEPTA lines; it's tagged G8 now. Haven't looked at the others yet. Mackensen (talk) 17:00, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

ArbCom 2019 special circular[edit]

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Administrator account security (Correction to Arbcom 2019 special circular)[edit]

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Invitation to join the Fifteen Year Society[edit]

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Dear Mackensen,

I'd like to extend a cordial invitation to you to join the Fifteen Year Society, an informal group for editors who've been participating in the Wikipedia project for fifteen years or more. ​

Best regards, Urhixidur (talk) 16:18, 9 May 2019 (UTC)


May 22: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC[edit]

May 22, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
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Featuring this month a presentation by Interference Archive guests, and a group discussion on the role of activist archives and building wiki content based on ephemeral publications and oral histories.

To close off the night, we'll also have Wikidojo - a group collaborative writing activity / vaudeville!

We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming edit-a-thons, museum and library projects, education initiatives, and other outreach activities.

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Train station template to LUA nominations[edit]

I notice you've done quite a few similar nominations. I was wondering if you'd done step three of the TfD process and notified the author of said templates, Gfoley4, since they could speed up the deletion process by agreeing to the deletion, allowing it to be deleted under G7 in many cases. eπi (talk | contribs) 10:38, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

  • @E to the Pi times i: I don't think a G7 would be appropriate in many of these cases. The individual author aside, the templates are effectively all part of a group, and the deletion nomination serves as notice to the broader group of trains editors that the migration is complete. Mackensen (talk) 13:22, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
    Is each set of templates really all that different? I've seen many different batches, but I'm not sure how contextually different each set is.
    As for broader groups of train editors, I guess my question here would be how often these templates are placed on new articles.
    But eh, I guess the TfDs are probably gradual enough; my concern was train nominations taking over TfD, but I don't think we've quite arrived at that point. eπi (talk | contribs) 13:45, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

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June 19: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC (stay tuned for Pride on weekend!)[edit]

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Sunday June 23: Wiki Loves Pride @ Metropolitan Museum of Art[edit]

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You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for Wiki Loves Pride @ Metropolitan Museum of Art on the Upper East Side. Togethe, we'll create new and expand existing Wikipedia articles on LGBT artists and artworks with LGBT themes in the Met collection!

With refreshments, and a special museum tour in the afternoon!

And there will be a wiki-cake!

Open to everyone at all levels of experience, wiki instructional workshop and one-on-one support will be provided.

See also the global Wiki Loves Pride photo contest, as well as the Met's online LGBT Art Writing Contest, and also the LGBT Health Writing Contest.

12:30pm - 4:30 pm at Uris Center for Education, Metropolitan Museum of Art (81st Street entrance) at 1000 Fifth Avenue, Manhattan
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Cheers[edit]

... The Rambling Man's mode of conduct undercuts whatever usefulness he contributes in project space ... well shucks, but clearly that's not the case. I just don't suffer fools gladly, like the some of the rest of the people here who appear to have taken over the asylum. I'll gladly withdraw my dozen or so FAs, 100+ FLs, around 200 GAs etc, and the 1800+ errors I've picked up on the main page in the last ten months alone. Is there a form for that? In the mean time, do try to be a little more objective when closing out ANI reports. Summary: C+. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:02, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

  • @The Rambling Man: I've never shared the belief that good works justify treating other editors with contempt, even when they deserve it. If you're looking for a door to flounce through I can't help you with that. Mackensen (talk) 22:30, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
    No, I'm not looking for your help in anything. My experience and quality here transcends any "advice" you could offer. But cheers for the personal attack in the ANI closure. Great work, proud moment. The Rambling Man (talk) 23:18, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
    @The Rambling Man: I will happily defer to your experience on personal attacks, and you should of course continue to conduct yourself in whatever manner you think is most effective. Best, Mackensen (talk) 23:27, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
    Yes, I have plenty of experience of being personally attacked, even by admins. It's disgusting, but somehow it's fair game when it's me receiving it. Funny old world. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:33, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
    This entire thread is a monument to a lack of critical self-awareness. I've got a shovel somewhere if you need to dig that hole deeper. Mackensen (talk) 13:06, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
    Actually no, it's about an abuse of position using personal attacks in closing discussions, but you're in the club and I'm not, so there you go. And no, the grave-diggers have got the shovel for the moment, so you'll have to wait. But anyway, have a wonderful Monday, richly deserved. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:11, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Deletion of article about Dr Gregory Kramer[edit]

Hi. You deleted my article in process of markup on Gremory Kramer on the basis of paragraph A7. This is not understandable, if you read the history of the person, as amplified in the second half of the article. He is THE seminal and historically most important figure it the field of data sonification (c.f) an Auditory Display (c.f.) He is responsible for the formation of ICAD (c.f.) and remains an emeritus member of its Board, which, amongst other things, has run 20 annual international conferences on the now generally considered crucial field for the discovery of gravity waves etc. As the entry says, he published the first book in the field, and is the most heavily referenced author in it. I do not believe your deletion is warranted without further justification. Please Undelete. PS. How do I even get access to it at this stage? Yergnaws (talk) 13:55, 30 June 2019 (UTC)YernawsYergnaws (talk) 13:55, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

  • @Yergnaws: Good morning. There were a few issues with Gregory Kramer. The first was that most of the content was apparently copied from [5], in violation of Wikipedia:Copyrights. The remaining part of the article was sourced entirely to his own writings, and it read like a blurb. It might be a good idea to start with a draft for this article before re-creating it in the article namespace. I would be willing to supply the non-copyright violating text as a basis. Alternatively you can seek to overturn the deletion Wikipedia:Deletion review. Best, Mackensen (talk) 14:03, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

Good afternoon. The convolution between the messages to me from Diannaa and then you, were confusing. For the sake of non-duplication, please see the discussion on her talk page. Now, to the point you make. You say that "most of the content was apparently copied..." apparent, perhaps, but not in fact, as I explained in the discussion with Diannaa. You further say that "The remaining part of the article was sourced entirely to his own writings, and it read like a blurb." With respect, that is simply not true, as a cursory look at Wikipedia's entries on Sonification, Auditory_Display and International_Community_for_Auditory_Display, none of which were written by me or the Subject, will easily attest. You will note, for example that his groundbreaking book is referenced on all sites. To describe it as a "blurb" is ill-informed, to put it politely.

Further, I would be pleased if you could explain how the measure you took to unceremoniously delete the entry - apparently in a way in which I cannot recover any of it - is in the spirit of Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion and/or biographical pages, bearing in mind I am an occasional contributor with good intent. IMO, the polite professional approach should have been to engage with me and perhaps advise me to mark the entry as Draft, or some other such process. In any event, the irony of the Subject providing me with text he wrote on which to base my initial sketch, which, unbeknown to him, he seems to no longer holds copyright on does not pass unnoticed. It seems the only way forward is to write a more extensive article in which the small piece of factual information I have used is eclipsed by a bigger picture. I will proceed as you suggest. Regards, Yergnaws (talk) 18:21, 1 July 2019 (UTC)yergnaws .

NWP stations[edit]

Do you have a preferred timetable for NWP stations? It seems like a shame to only have the 1956 timetable for the Redwood - I think it dropped a number of stations (including Windsor) just a few years before. It's additionally confusing because (unlike the Eastern and Midwest roads I'm used to), the NWP never had much of an effect on the location of population centers. Note for example Millers station in the 1915 timetable - it appears to have been a flag stop serving a single house. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 03:17, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

  • @Pi.1415926535: Nothing specific beyond the linked timetable and old Official Guides. I'm having trouble correlating those with what's in the articles. The interurban railroads are particularly troublesome. Mackensen (talk) 04:05, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
Good news: this massive collection has a number of NWP timetables (mostly ETTs). this 1933 ETT should be good for the interurban stops. I think "Interurban" or "Interurban Lines" is as close to an official name as we're going to get there. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 05:31, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Thanks alot sir, I'm glad that you responded so fast towards my article creation. And also you guide me that I didn't do any mistake by creating an article on any delete article. But I will rectify my mistake. If I ever created an article on a previous delete page would definitely take assistance before going forward. MDPMHG (talk) 05:10, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Deletion of Draft:Lorenzo_DeStefano[edit]

I have had the owner of the website send a release to permissions-en@wikimedia.org with Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported and GNU Free Documentation License (ticket #2019070110001636.) I have also added "OTRS pending" template to the talk page. Can I get the page restored while the license is reviewed? Rminsk (talk) 06:29, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

  • @Rminsk: The text as written is promotional in tone (understandably) and probably wouldn't be suitable for inclusion "as is" even without the copyright issue. You'd be better off rewriting it from reliable sources. Mackensen (talk) 12:56, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
    • @Mackensen: That is why it was a draft, so I could work on cleaning it up and making less promotional. I thought the Draft namespace is for creating and developing new articles for a limited period of time. Rminsk (talk) 18:07, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
      • @Rminsk: It is, but a copyright violation will still be deleted. Given the way the GFDL works, having a draft move into the article namespace with copyright violations in its history would be a significant problem. Mackensen (talk) 18:10, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
        • @Mackensen: Thank you for the input. I guess I'll spin up a local copy of MediaWiki so I can work from the original text and get the rough formatting done and then restart the draft. Rminsk (talk) 19:03, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Module:Adjacent stations/JR East, others in Tokyo[edit]

I stopped converting templates from ja-rail-line to s-line a while back because I assumed we would create a module at some point.

Will adjacent stations be able to handle Japan's new-ish trend of slapping a number on every station? As well as how there is a mix of lines with different local/express services, as well as independent trains (denoted in italics per usual). (here's an easy example and a difficult example). Transcluding the information itself won't be a problem for me, I'm accustomed to the complexity of it all. Cards84664 (talk) 15:47, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

  • @Cards84664: Yikes. The numbers are a challenge. My inclination is to say that the numbers shouldn't be displayed in succession boxes, and that it's enough to display them in the station header. In the alternative, the {{adjacent stations}} note-left and note-right parameters do accept templates as input (e.g. {{JRSN|JS|19|tlc=SBY|size=20}}) and display it correctly. Mackensen (talk) 12:11, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
    • We'll be better off by keeping the numbers, as there are quite a few cases of named trains jumping from line to line (icons distinguished by color), and even some cases of jumping from company to company (icons distinguished by shape). Two examples of the latter are Hadano Station (Romancecar) and Ikebukuro Station (S-Train). The icons are designed to be distinct from one another's companies to prevent further confusion. The only exception to that is the municipal and private subways in Tokyo sharing icon styles. Cards84664 (talk) 16:04, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
      • @Cards84664: Fair enough. This would seem to be an opportunity to retire {{Ja-rail-color}} and let the adjacent stations data module handle the color resolution. Mackensen (talk) 16:11, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
      • To clarify: I think the station numbers should be kept in the note fields and out of the module; it needs to be possible to return the station name without the number. Mackensen (talk) 16:16, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
        • (edit conflict) I knew that was what you were implying with note-left and note-right.
I'm hoping to retire {{ja-rail-line}} someday as well. It has held on much longer than {{Infobox Japan station}}, that's for sure.
Anyways, if you want an easy one to start with, try Module:Adjacent stations/Toei Subway.
{{Toei Subway color}}, {{Toei Subway lines}}, {{Toei Subway stations}}.
Only four lines here, the only real oddity is Tochōmae Station, the Oedo line loops back onto itself before going out to its suburban terminus. Cards84664 (talk) 16:31, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

For stations like Shimo-kitazawa, is the module capable of using note-mid to change the termini, or does that have to be applied manually like with s-line? Cards84664 (talk) 18:05, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

  • @Cards84664: Two options, as with s-line. You can override it manually with to-left and to-right, or define a type (similar to s-line's branch) and do it that way. I think the latter only makes since for different physical branches. Mackensen (talk) 05:01, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

CalTrain[edit]

Could you kindly clip this article? It finally provides a definite end date (and cause of death) for CalTrain. Thanks, Pi.1415926535 (talk) 22:40, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Disambiguation needed[edit]

With this edit to Roanoke station (Virginia) you introduced a link to Bristol station, a disambiguation page. I'm presuming you meant to link to Bristol station (Virginia) but I'm not awake enough to figure out how to adjust the adjacent stations template to fix it myself. Thryduulf (talk) 22:56, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

  • @Thryduulf: Thanks. I was even thinking about Bristol as I set up the template and then it slipped my mind. Fixed: [6]. Mackensen (talk) 22:58, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Sunday July 14: Annual NYC Wiki-Picnic @ Roosevelt Island[edit]

July 14, 2-7pm: Annual NYC Wiki-Picnic @ Roosevelt Island
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You are invited to join us at the "picnic anyone can edit" in the lovely Southpoint Park on Roosevelt Island, as part of the Great American Wiknic celebrations being held across the USA. Remember it's a wiki-picnic, which means potluck.

This year the Wiknic will double as a "Strategy Salon" (more information at Wiknic page), using open space technology to address major questions facing our social movement.

2–7pm - come by any time!
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High Speed Rail ( HSR ) vs Higher Speed Rail[edit]

The disruptive edits pushing the non-encyclopedic term "Higher Speed Rail" need to end. This is a long running debate & it's well accepted and known that High Speed Rail ( HSR ) is not only valid but the term to use in the contect of Wikipedia. If you're writing a PhD thesis for some civil engineering stuff, knock yourself out with the pedantic "Higher Speed Rail". Outside of specialized subjects it's not appropriate. Information icon Hello. This is a message to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions did not appear constructive and has been reverted. Please take some time to familiarise yourself with our policies and guidelines. You can find information about these at our welcome page which also provides further information about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. If you only meant to make test edits, please use the sandbox for that. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on my talk page. Thank you.

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Altamont Corridor Express succession templates[edit]

A tag has been placed on Category:Altamont Corridor Express succession templates requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion.

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RfC at Stanley Kubrick[edit]

This is a courtesy notice that there is an ongoing RfC about adding an infobox to Stanley Kubrick at Talk:Stanley Kubrick. Since you are a previous participant in such discussions, you may be interested in participating. --Laser brain (talk) 16:27, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Reading Company templates[edit]

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August 28: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC (+editathons before and after)[edit]

August 28, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
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You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Metropolitan New York Library Council in Midtown Manhattan. Is there a project you'd like to share? A question you'd like answered? A Wiki* skill you'd like to learn? Let us know by adding it to the agenda.

Featuring this month a review of the recent Wikimania 2019 conference in Sweden!

We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming edit-a-thons, museum and library projects, education initiatives, and other outreach activities.

7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Metropolitan New York Library Council (8th floor) at 599 11th Avenue, Manhattan
(note this month we will be meeting in Midtown Manhattan, not at Babycastles)

We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Wikimedia New York City Team 17:58, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Edit-a-thons at Interference Archive and The Met

Also check out these editing events, before and after our WikiWednesday Salon:

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Template:MUNI stations[edit]

I think I've now replaced all uses of {{MUNI stations}} and its associated data templates, as well as little-used redirects {{MUNI}}, {{sfms}}, {{MUNIs}}, and {{MUNI heritage stations}}. (I do still have a bit of cleanup to do with the new module, which I should finish shortly). Would you mind doing the deletion nom? Pi.1415926535 (talk) 09:27, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Side question: Is there any way to specify a station in an adjacent stations module as not being a link? For some instances (particularly some old Muni terminals) it'd e nice to just have plaintext with no link. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 20:15, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
@Pi.1415926535: I don't believe so; I'd noticed that pattern in some of the old MBTA Silver Line stops as well. From a meta perspective, a navigation box that doesn't link isn't very useful. Mackensen (talk) 21:30, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, that is generally true. There are a few instances (I'm encountering one where several block-long BART stations have two F Market & Wharves stops above them at either end) where the ability not to link would be more useful than not. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 21:37, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Saturday Sept 7: Met Fashion Edit-a-thon @ Metropolitan Museum of Art[edit]

Sept 7, 12:30pm: Met Fashion Edit-a-thon @ Metropolitan Museum of Art
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You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for Met Fashion Edit-a-thon @ Metropolitan Museum of Art on the Upper East Side. Together, we'll expand Wikipedia:WikiProject Fashion topics for basic clothing types that can be illustrated by the Met collection, and also past Costume Institute exhibitions!

It's the last weekend for Camp: Notes on Fashion, and we will have an intro talk to the exhibit by a guest from the Costume Institute, and participants will then be able to visit it on their own. Galleries will be open this evening until 9 pm.

With refreshments, and there will be a wiki-cake!

Open to everyone at all levels of experience, wiki instructional workshop and one-on-one support will be provided.

12:30pm - 4:30 pm at Uris Center for Education, Metropolitan Museum of Art (81st Street entrance) at 1000 Fifth Avenue, Manhattan
(note this is just south of the main entrance)
Galleries will be open this evening until 9 pm, and some wiki-visitors may wish to take this opportunity to see Camp: Notes on Fashion together after the formal event.

Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends, colleagues and students! --Wikimedia New York City Team 19:37, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

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Nomination for deletion of Template:Rayment[edit]

Ambox warning blue.svgTemplate:Rayment has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Guy (help!) 22:46, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of George W. Washington for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article George W. Washington is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/George W. Washington until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Beyond My Ken (talk) 06:24, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

  • @Beyond My Ken: I think I must have been reverting page-move vandalism when I created the original redirect; Coemgenus converted it into a stub and should also be notified. Best, Mackensen (talk) 11:10, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Thanks. The notification to you was made by Twinkle, so i really had nothing to do with it. Ill notify Coemgenus by hand. Beyond My Ken (talk) 15:35, 12 September 2019 (UTC)