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User Manlorsen[edit]

Manlorsen (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log) has reverted again the article Societat Civil Catalana. Diff: [1]. This time the edit is smaller because he seems to edit with the help of another user, Gargaroi (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log). Both users are only editing that article. Filiprino (talk) 12:48, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

--Manlorsen (talk) 12:22, 10 August 2018 (UTC) There are apparently more than two users that have other oppinions about Societat Civil Catalana. Please check the list. I was happy with the version of TheRichic of Fish and Karate. It is a pity that here someone is trying to make groups and not trying to improve the quality of the article. The article is at the moment based on sources that are mainly oppinions no facts. I kindly ask you not do discredit myself and Sociedad Civil Catalana.--Manlorsen (talk) 12:22, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

--Manlorsen (talk) 11:54, 10 August 2018 (UTC) In the origins of Sociedad Civil Catalana (SCC) there was a collaboration with members of Somatemps. Somatemps is not a far right organisation. There are no proofs for that but only oppinions. I will bring you soon a statement of Somatemps taking political position [2] [3] I would like to repeat my argument of the begining: If SCC were extreme or far right the current foreign minister the socialist catalan J. Borrell [4] would not participate in many events of SCC, neiter the former leader during more than 10 years of the older comunist party in Spain the catalan Francisco Frutos or even the descendant of catalans Manuel Valls former socialist minister in France or even the president of the socialist catalans Miquel Iceta or the writer and nobel of literature Mario Vargas Llosa [5]. They would be carefull about his reputation to participate in events of a suppossedly far right organisation, don't you think so? And what about the prize of the european parliament to SCC, do you think the European parlament would give a prize to a far right organisation or to a organisation with far right links? This is written in the pdf document of the european prize [6]: Sociedad Civil Catalana Association/organisation Spain Gran Via de les Corts Catalanes 583, 8011 Barcelona, Spain 34934451793 34605858455 Spain at national level Sociedad Civil Catalana is an organisation set up by a group of Catalan men and women anxious to continue and promote the creation of awareness and mobilisation of people in Catalonia who support continued links with the rest of Spain and with Europe. The organisation promotes important values such as concord, coexistence, respect, tolerance and freedom of expression and dialogue. For these reasons and the extremely valuable work which it carries out in Catalonia, I feel that this organisation deserves the European Citizens’ Prize. Santiago FISAS AYXELÀ

I kindly ask you to consider an external review of the article and compare it with the spanish version, thanks.--Manlorsen (talk) 11:54, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Dalida page, French Editor/Organization[edit]

Greetings Sir,

The Dalida page is being run by an Organization, this isn't an encyclopedia page, this is a pure French-Propaganda page. The French editor who claims "owning the page" literally prevents anybody other than his organisation to write on the page. He claims that others delete his stuff, yet literally he's the manipulating one who keeps deleting Dalida's Egyptian-Italian identities, unlike her own words in her most famous songs and even the movies about her. This isn't a Wiki page, this is an Organization page, like a French Site for Dalida. Check out the history page, almost no one is supposed to edit other that their organization.

Thank you (talk) 00:15, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

  • NeilN, anytime you want to take over, go for it. Drmies (talk) 02:24, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Weird situation that needs Admin help[edit]

NeilN, I've discovered a weird situation here. Some time back, Survivor (TV series) was (probably correctly) moved to Survivor (franchise), along with its Talk page. When that was done, however, the Talk page's Archive pages were left behind. I've found (and moved) Talk:Survivor (franchise)/Archive 1 and Talk:Survivor (franchise)/Archive 3... but there's no original archive at Talk:Survivor (TV series)/Archive 2. Based on the topic dates on Archive 1 and Archive 3, it's quite possible that there is an Archive 2 page... somewhere, but it may have be "lost" (in previous page moves?...). Any chance you can look into this?... Thanks!

(And, if there is no "missing Archive 2" page, then the Archive 3 page should be moved to Talk:Survivor (franchise)/Archive 2, I guess...) --IJBall (contribstalk) 20:24, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @IJBall: Doesn't really need admin help. You can use Special:PrefixIndex to find Subpages of the talk page, e.g. here: subpages of Talk:Survivor (TV series), which shows that there's no Archive_2. If you think there might have been a typo, or some other weird situation, you can do an advanced search for Talk archives, which gives the same result in this case. HTH, Mathglot (talk) 21:06, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
OK, I think I figured it out – the talk topics in so-called "Archive 3" were not in chronological order. Once I fixed that, it's clear there's no "gap", so "Archive 3" is actually, correctly, "Archive 2" – I'm going to go ahead and WP:Page mover Talk:Survivor (franchise)/Archive 3 to Talk:Survivor (franchise)/Archive 2, and this should resolve the issue. Thanks. --IJBall (contribstalk) 21:37, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
IJBall, if you do the move, make sure you do not leave a redirect behind. If you don't know how to do this, I can help. Mathglot (talk) 00:08, 10 August 2018 (UTC) Okay, looks like you've done it correctly; good work. Mathglot (talk) 00:09, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

I added references to improve the article[edit]

Hi Neil, hope all is well. I'm new to Wiki and have been reading a lot more since you made all my changes undone on July 22nd of Judith Blacklock. I can now see that my edits were not all in line with wikipolicy (sorry should have done my homework properly up front!), but other changes I thought (and still think) were an improvement to the wikipage, e.g. I added a couple of newspaper sources (not tabloid) and facts. Just thought I'd check in, as I will try to make them again. When making my edits I was trying to respond to the maintenance template, but am still unclear who can make changes to this when issues in there are addressed. Thanks for your time and effort! Cheers, A.Avandok (talk) 21:33, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Avandok: Can't speak for NeilN, but there are possible conflict of interest, promotional, and notability issues here. See your talk page, as well as Talk:Judith Blacklock#Notability. Hope this helps, Mathglot (talk) 01:45, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Balkans & nationalism... again[edit]

Hi, NeilN. I see that you have recently dealt with the account MilosHaran. It seems to be one of a myriad of accounts from Western Balkans used solely to further nationalist propaganda. May I please have some assistance in dealing with this never ending pestilence? Surtsicna (talk) 11:35, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Instead reporting me we should debate about his origin on talk page. MilosHaran (talk) 11:40, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

DS review[edit]

NeilN, can you review the IPA discretionary sanction I instituted here, especially for the effectiveness and clarity of the scope of the topic-ban? Abecedare (talk) 02:44, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Ha! I always seem to catch you on a break. No worries. I'll ask Bishonen to take a look, since per the AE log they are the second-most active admin in applying discretionary sanctions in this area. Hope things are hunky-dory IRL. Abecedare (talk) 02:49, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
Enjoy your break, Neil. I assume you're on a road trip to see me, so call me when you get here and we'll go to Hamburger King. Drmies (talk) 00:48, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Still interested in Souliotes?[edit]

If you are still interested in edit wars around article Souliotes, please have a look [7]. The pro-albanian users insist on SYNTH about Rum Millet, explained as "Greek" and applied on Souliotes without any source specific on Souliotes. I proposed to them 2 choices: Either we add the definition of "Albanian" in post-medieval era (based on Oliver Schmitt), or we delete (the most correct in my opinion) all the missleading info about who is "Rum". They also delete any additions on the fact that "Rums" were divided into Greeks, Bulgarians, Serbs etc. It seems that they are happy with the present condition of the article, and prevent improvements by co-operation of two reverting one, ready to complain about "3RR". If, by any chance, you feel that you cannot be impartial on articles of Albanian or Greek interest, please suggest me another adming. Thanks.--Skylax30 (talk) 19:16, 18 August 2018 (UTC)


You deleted my link to another saying to stop posting external links, but it was not an external like; rather a link to another Wikipedia site that was very connected to the subject matter.

But, as a side note, Wikipedia is full of links to external sites. What's the rule on that?

Please explain.

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keithm66 (talkcontribs) 20:10, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

(talk page gnome) @Keithm66: I don't think NeilN has anything to do with this. However, you appear to be promoting a company in your edits, which is not allowed (WP:PROMOTION), even if no external links are provided. If you find reliable third party sources (WP:RS) that support your additions, please make sure to follow the sentence with a citation (WP:CITE). You may also want to write a draft about the company per WP:WTAF, but if you are affiliated with it that is strongly discouraged per WP:COI. Thanks, —PaleoNeonate – 00:46, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Catacombs of Paris[edit]

Hey I doubt you remember me or my predicament, but back in February I added that the movie "As Above, So Below" was filmed in the Catacombs of Paris. I got into an edit war and did the right thing and went through the proper channels and reported the user and you blocked them for 31 hours and you protected the page for a little while. I went back to it today and well it looks like there's someone who's removed it from an anonymous IP and like one or two other people who have attempted removing it in the interim but were reverted. Anyways, I'm not sure what to do. I don't really want to revert it because I'm afraid it will start another war, but I feel my contribution is helpful and want it to remain in place. It had a verifiable source too! To sum it all up, should I revert and if something bad happens again just go back to the notice board, or is this something you could look into without an official report in place? Thank you for your time, you were immensely helpful before.

P.S. I can gladly send you all the diff links you need just let me know. Lord David, Duke of Glencoe (talk) 08:58, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

P.P.S. feel like I kinda did a BOOMERANG to myself by not checking that NeilN hasn't been online since the 5th. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ If anyone else would like to help, I'd really appreciate it. I can provide details and links from February and while I've left the page alone. Thanks. Lord David, Duke of Glencoe (talk) 11:31, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

(talk page gnome) @DJ-Joker16: I looked and am not sure what's up, it's possible that it was reverted as trivia. Often only the most notable items are listed (if any, since WP:TRIVIA material is generally discouraged). —PaleoNeonate – 09:03, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

13 years of editing[edit]

Cheers, —PaleoNeonate – 09:04, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

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Bunt (community)[edit]


Can you please have a look at Bunt (community) page. I have a strong feeling this Indian caste article is gonna turn into a mess soon as some individuals affiliated with a caste based organisation have become active in editing this page.Linguisticgeek (talk)

  • (talk page stalker) @Linguisticgeek: I have warned the user for now and watchlisted the page. In trying to keep the caste-warriors at bay, please be careful not to fall afoul of WP:3RR yourself. Perhaps involving more editors would help. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 15:18, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Urgent help with RfC at Naomi Osaka[edit]

Hi there. I'm coming to you because I feel like the way things are currently going, the Wikipedia community is going to shoot itself in the foot in regards to factual accuracy with the current RfC at Naomi Osaka located here. Many press outlets are describing her multiple ways, mainly as just Japanese. Alot of our editors seem to be using that for their reasoning, which i feel is not correct. As per my points there, ususally when I have seen people on Wikipedia who have an article about themselves and have dual citizenship, it is mentioned. In Osaka's case, she was born in Japan, but was raised in America and currently lives there and has citizenship in America and Japan. She does not speak fluent Japanese either. The community is about to shoot itself in the foot and merely refer to her as "Japanese" in the lede. I feel that the prior option "Japanese and American", per what I've commonly seen on other articles with this quirk, is the only correct option. I'm wondering if someone can step in and stop this before it's too late. - R9tgokunks 19:27, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Saying the press is calling her "mainly Japanese" is not correct. The press is all over the map. And if you look at all the talk page dialog, several administrators wanted Haitian-Japanese tennis player. So it's not cut and dry. My worry is that we'll get an influx of first time accounts from the canvassing twitter and instagram posts that has caused so many problems the last few days. I wish the rfc would have waited a couple weeks till the social media frenzy died down. We had to protect the article because of social media bombardment. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:35, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
@Fyunck(click): -

"Many press outlets are describing her multiple ways, mainly as just Japanese."

- R9tgokunks 20:36, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
  • R9tgokunks, NeilN hasn't edited in over a month, so if you believe the RfC needs additional neutral input, then post a brief, neutral notification of the RfC on a related WikiProject talkpage and/or WP:BLPN. Your post here is not neutral, so don't replicate it elsewhere. Softlavender (talk) 20:21, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
    • That's a damn shame... Thanks for letting me know. I will do that. - R9tgokunks 20:44, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Was ist diese Scheisse?[edit]

You're still on break? 🙁 Bishonen | talk 19:56, 13 September 2018 (UTC).

(talk page stalker) That section title gave me my best laugh of the day, which I desperately needed after seeing diese schiesse...Vanamonde (talk) 19:59, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
Yeah, we could definitely use some sanity (of the NeilN variety) and/or some laughs .... Softlavender (talk) 20:16, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

UTRS appeal #22687[edit]

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IP user contiues to vandalize[edit]

IP user has repeatedly vandalized List of Impact Wrestling albums and other articles. I have warned them and they continue to do so. (talk page stalker) CrashUnderride 20:43, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

(talk page gnome) @Crash Underride: If it persists, please consider WP:AIV; NeilN is on a Wikibreak. Thanks, —PaleoNeonate – 23:50, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Perhaps of interest to you[edit]

Whilst browsing about, as I generally do, I noticed the relatively recent discussion you initiated at AN about community general sanctions enforcement. I'd suggest you look at a proposal by Callanecc to standardise community general sanctions, specifically community-authorised discretionary sanctions, which have become the most common form. I helped out a bit at the time. You can find it at WP:CDS. We had a bit of discussion about it here.
In addition, I'd note that, at the request of some administrators, I set up an enforcement noticeboard based on AE for the former Gamergate community sanctions. You can see history of that here. It was quite effective for dealing with the overwhelming nature of that specific incident, until it was replaced by ArbCom sanctions. Perhaps these might provide food for thought, if you consider proceeding with your ideas for reform. RGloucester 01:50, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

Disruptive user[edit]

Hi, what should I do about Mileywave repeatedly inserting her image into the Kim Possible (2019 film) article after reverting her twice?--Sarcathmo17 (talk) 17:03, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Sarcathmo17, NeilN hasn't edited in a couple of months. Softlavender (talk) 23:21, 2 October 2018 (UTC)


No more ninety-hour work weeks starting next week (I hope) so I'll be more active on the site. --NeilN talk to me 15:22, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Welcome back! We were not sure if you would ever return! PackMecEng (talk) 15:25, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
Ditto, super to see you around, —PaleoNeonate – 23:26, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
Thanks, was worried about you since you didn't post any kind of "away" notice at the top. Softlavender (talk) 04:07, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

You know, you got my hopes up with this. Now I am empty inside! PackMecEng (talk) 14:12, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

He said "starting next week (I hope)". It's only been two weeks. Softlavender (talk) 14:15, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
The heart wants what it wants.™ PackMecEng (talk) 14:17, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
NeilN "rolling around in 9 deuce cadillac"—! What a return :) ——SerialNumber54129 14:21, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
  • [Bishzilla wordlessly clasps the little user to her bosom. Recollects her great strength and desists, puts the flattened little creature down gently. Is it too late?] Please inflate to three-dimensional again! bishzilla ROARR!! pocket 15:12, 19 October 2018 (UTC).
  • Didnt see your activity recently, came here to realise you havent edited in almost six months now. I hope everything is okay in your real life. I hope I see you soon again. —usernamekiran(talk) 23:15, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

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The APX[edit]

Hi there! So you have deleted The APX page because of undisclosed paid editing. I did tell about that so that can't be used as a deletion criteria. [8]. Jjanhone (talk) 20:18, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, my mistake! I was so surprised about what I saw that I didn't notice your comment was very old and you were not talking to me.Jjanhone (talk) 04:39, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

A Favor[edit]

Would you mind terribly if you were to semiprotect List of Donald Duck universe characters for a long while? The "Pete is a wolf" vandal has returned to that page to edit-war over his inane assertion again.--Mr Fink (talk) 20:14, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

NeilN hasn't been around for a bit. I've semiprotected the page. ~Awilley (talk) 23:51, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Lift ban[edit]

When I was hot tempered I used to create vandalism only accounts and even impersonated a long term abuse vandal for a joke. So not only do I have several blocked accounts but even globally locked ones and while I can take a break from Wikipedia, I do wish I may edit other sister projects. As an admin, do you know how I can get myself unbanned? It is embarrissing to expose myself and I cannot edit in good conscience when I am not supposed to be doing so. What can I do to return as a help, as I have matured and want to be constructive? I. Do notthink I can clean start with the bans. 2600:1:F16A:CD61:A473:7C4F:4697:CC4 (talk) 01:15, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

DS/AE request[edit]

Greetings NeilN. Could you please place Democratic Party presidential primaries, 2020 under DS/AE/1RR/consensus restrictions? There's been some slow-moving edit warring, and lack of respect for talk page consensus. I believe that some policing would help article stability. Thanks in advance. — JFG talk 19:50, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

@Awilley: Seeing your remark above that NeilN is away, perhaps you can handle this? Or MelanieN? Thx. — JFG talk 19:52, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
Is that a thing already? I'll have a look. ~Awilley (talk) 21:48, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

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Semi Protection Request[edit]

Please can your semi protect the MTA Regional Bus Operations bus fleet page? There has been allot of vandalism recently from anonymous IP addresses. Olsen24 (talk) 03:53, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Olsen24, NeilN hasn't edited in six weeks so it's best to make your request at WP:RFPP. -- Softlavender (talk) 03:56, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Matthew Gordon Banks[edit]

Why have you removed Karl Hoffman's addition that Phillip Cross is COI - he has been banned from Editing. Do you work for the Intelligence Services like Cross too. Your edit is remarkably quick. (talk) 01:28, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

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Banned User:Asdisis[edit]

...again at Croatian Navy. Just look at his edit-summaries. Other IP accounts seems to be also his at bottom of Talk:Croatian Air Force and Air Defence. FkpCascais (talk) 14:34, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Fkp, you are obsessed with Asdisis. (talk) 19:30, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
You know very well why you edit for years already as IP and refuse to make an account. Because you were indef banned. Please go to your original account and ask for a review of your ban. Obviously you wan´t because you play this game of "Oh I am not Asdisis". So make an account then, you edit years already as IP refusing to make an account, when you get upset enough you recognise you are Asdisis, meantime you deny and play this game of cat and mouse. FkpCascais (talk) 20:13, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
FkpCascais , I edit Wikipedia in the most esteemed way. I have no connections to the IP who you are reporting here, nor to Asdisis. I have 3 or 4 RfCs that I opened and won against you, as a proof. Either I fooled everyone in those RfCs, or maybe the admins who warned you against such behavior on an ANI thread were right. So please, Fkp, spare me of your accusations, especially when you are so blatantly pushing your POV on another page in this very moment: [9]. (talk) 22:12, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Need advice on situation with a non-responsive OR editor[edit]

Hi, NeilN,

I trust your judgment, and I wonder if you can dispense some advice about a situation regarding massive amounts of OR added to Roman diocese by DuckeggAlex (talk · contribs), who is teetering on the edge of what I consider blockable behavior. He does not respond in writing to numerous comments at his Talk page or the article Talk page, though it's clear from his actions that he reads them. I've been on the edge of taking him to ANI several times (would be my first; I'm more of a lurker there), but he seems to stop blockable behavior at the edge of the precipice. I was once again on the edge of going to ANI and probably would have tomorrow, but in the last hour, he's stepped back again, and started doing just what we asked him to. It's not entirely black and white, and he's not doing anything blockable today, but that seems to just go back and forth, and I'm not sure how to deal with a situation like this. If you're willing to have a look, a good starting point is perhaps towards the end, at Talk:Roman diocese#How to proceed?, and fill in the earlier blanks as needed. A possibly relevant side-thread is at User talk:Mathglot#OR at Roman diocese and editor adding it. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 05:00, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)@Mathglot: NeilN appears to be on a bit of a break. He has not edited in almost 2 months now. Might want to try someone else for the time being. PackMecEng (talk) 05:03, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
PackMecEng appreciate the tip, thanks! Mathglot (talk) 05:12, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

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  • Following a request for comment, the Mediation Committee is now closed and will no longer be accepting case requests.
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  • A request for comment is in progress regarding whether to change the administrator inactivity policy, such that administrators "who have made no logged administrative actions for at least 12 months may be desysopped". Currently, the policy states that administrators "who have made neither edits nor administrative actions for at least 12 months may be desysopped".
  • A proposal has been made to temporarily restrict editing of the Main Page to interface administrators in order to mitigate the impact of compromised accounts.

Technical news



  • In late November, an attacker compromised multiple accounts, including at least four administrator accounts, and used them to vandalize Wikipedia. If you have ever used your current password on any other website, you should change it immediately. Sharing the same password across multiple websites makes your account vulnerable, especially if your password was used on a website that suffered a data breach. As these incidents have shown, these concerns are not pure fantasies.
  • Wikipedia policy requires administrators to have strong passwords. To further reinforce security, administrators should also consider enabling two-factor authentication. A committed identity can be used to verify that you are the true account owner in the event that your account is compromised and/or you are unable to log in.


Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 03:36, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Seasonal Greetings![edit]

Wikipedia Happy New Year.png Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2019!

Hello NeilN, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you a heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2019.
Happy editing,

★Trekker (talk) 09:51, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages.

Merry Merry[edit]

Christmas tableau.jpg Happy Christmas!
Hello NeilN,
Early in A Child's Christmas in Wales the young Dylan and his friend Jim Prothero witness smoke pouring from Jim's home. After the conflagration has been extinguished Dylan writes that

Nobody could have had a noisier Christmas Eve. And when the firemen turned off the hose and were standing in the wet, smoky room, Jim's Aunt, Miss. Prothero, came downstairs and peered in at them. Jim and I waited, very quietly, to hear what she would say to them. She said the right thing, always. She looked at the three tall firemen in their shining helmets, standing among the smoke and cinders and dissolving snowballs, and she said, "Would you like anything to read?"

My thanks to you for your efforts to keep the 'pedia readable in case the firemen chose one of our articles :-) Best wishes to you and yours and happy editing in 2019. MarnetteD|Talk 14:57, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

I know life is keeping you away from WikiP NeilN but this message is true for your past, present and future editing - to reference another Christmas story :-) Best regards. MarnetteD|Talk 14:57, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Seasonal Greetings[edit]

Wikipedia Happy New Year.png Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2019!

Hello NeilN, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you a heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2019.
Happy editing,

7&6=thirteen () 20:27, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages.

Merry Christmas![edit]

George Henry Durrie - A Christmas Party.JPG
Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2019!
⛄ 🎅 🎄

Wishing you and your family a joyous Christmas and a happy and prosperous New Year! Enjoy the holiday season, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, GSS (talk

Happy New Year, NeilN![edit]

   Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year fireworks}} to user talk pages.

Administrators' newsletter – January 2019[edit]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (December 2018).

Guideline and policy news

  1. G14 (new): Disambiguation pages that disambiguate only zero or one existing pages are now covered under the new G14 criterion (discussion). This is {{db-disambig}}; the text is unchanged and candidates may be found in Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as unnecessary disambiguation pages.
  2. R4 (new): Redirects in the file namespace (and no file links) that have the same name as a file or redirect at Commons are now covered under the new R4 criterion (discussion). This is {{db-redircom}}; the text is unchanged.
  3. G13 (expanded): Userspace drafts containing only the default Article Wizard text are now covered under G13 along with other drafts (discussion). Such blank drafts are now eligible after six months rather than one year, and taggers continue to use {{db-blankdraft}}.

Technical news

  • Starting on December 13, the Wikimedia Foundation security team implemented new password policy and requirements. Privileged accounts (administrators, bureaucrats, checkusers, oversighters, interface administrators, bots, edit filter managers/helpers, template editors, et al.) must have a password at least 10 characters in length. All accounts must have a password:
  1. At least 8 characters in length
  2. Not in the 100,000 most popular passwords (defined by the Password Blacklist library)
  3. Different from their username
User accounts not meeting these requirements will be prompted to update their password accordingly. More information is available on
  • Blocked administrators may now block the administrator that blocked them. This was done to mitigate the possibility that a compromised administrator account would block all other active administrators, complementing the removal of the ability to unblock oneself outside of self-imposed blocks. A request for comment is currently in progress to determine whether the blocking policy should be updated regarding this change.
  • {{Copyvio-revdel}} now has a link to open the history with the RevDel checkboxes already filled in.



  • Accounts continue to be compromised on a regular basis. Evidence shows this is entirely due to the accounts having the same password that was used on another website that suffered a data breach. If you have ever used your current password on any other website, you should change it immediately.
  • Around 22% of admins have enabled two-factor authentication, up from 20% in June 2018. If you haven't already enabled it, please consider doing so. Regardless of whether you use 2FA, please practice appropriate account security by ensuring your password is secure and unique to Wikimedia.

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 21:39, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Invitation to the discussion[edit]

I kindly invite you to the discussion in Talk:2016 Taiwan presidential election to decide whether to include the term "Republic of China" in the election infobox and the lead section as it is the official name of the country. Thank you. Lmmnhn (talk) 10:21, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Appealing topic ban[edit]

Per this statement of yours at AE about me on 23 April 2018, “they may appeal every six months thereafter to me.” This is such an appeal of the topic-ban you gave me. To refresh your memory, you gave me the topic-ban because (as you said) of a comment that I made at my user talk page. Please note that I deleted that comment from my user talk page on April 19, 2018, [10] and the next edit at my user talk page was by you four days later imposing the indefinite topic ban.[11] Anythingyouwant (talk) 15:01, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Anythingyouwant, NeilN has not edited for several months. I'll ping DougWeller, who probably has an inkling of the best way forward. - Sitush (talk) 17:28, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
Thanks Sitush. I think there’s supposed to be a space between “Doug” and “Weller” so it’s Doug Weller. Anythingyouwant (talk) 18:41, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
Sorry. I'm an idiot. - Sitush (talk) 18:59, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
Nonsense, people make typos all the time. Cheers. Anythingyouwant (talk) 19:10, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
(edit conflict)Because NeilN is away, and also because the ban was upheld when it was appealed at ARCA, the appeal would probably need to be to the community instead of a single admin. WP:AE is the most logical venue in my opinion. ~Awilley (talk) 18:43, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
I don’t have loads of time Awilley, nor heaps of confidence that the time would be well spent, nor any inclination to occupy hours of time of loads of other people. My preference is therefore to leave the appeal here for NeilN, as he allowed. If years go by without response from him, then maybe I’ll reconsider, assuming I have not slipped the surly bonds of the internet. Anythingyouwant (talk) 19:08, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
Makes sense. ~Awilley (talk) 19:11, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
Anyway Awilley, as I recall, this topic ban was upheld by ArbCom largely (or mostly) on grounds of being within the “discretion” of NeilN, so I will now leave it in his discretion. Anythingyouwant (talk) 19:20, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
DougWeller is an account of mine that made 2 edits many years ago. But I don't get pings to it. Doug Weller talk 19:59, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
Any thoughts about the *other* matter at hand? Anythingyouwant (talk) 20:06, 24 January 2019 (UTC) Doug Weller Anythingyouwant (talk) 20:17, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
Okay, well, absent any contrary advice from Doug Weller or anyone else, I will just wait for NeilN. Cheers! Anythingyouwant (talk) 22:50, 24 January 2019 (UTC)


Looks like the 90-hour work weeks didn't end after all. Hope you're ok. - Sitush (talk) 17:26, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Topic ban listings?[edit]

Is there a simple way to find out if someone's indefinite topic ban is still in effect? I may have come across someone who may be violating a topic ban imposed in 2017 (and who was blocked for violating it in 2018). I can't find any sign the topic ban was lifted, but absence of evidence is not blah blah blah. If necessary, I could just tell you the name -- you're the admin who imposed it -- but I'd rather limit the opportunities for making a fool of myself when I can. --Calton | Talk 08:55, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Calton, Neil hasn't edited in six months. You may possibly find the topic ban listed at WP:Editing restrictions, but they don't always get listed. Unless the editor successfully appealed the TBan on AN (or ANI), it's still in effect. Softlavender (talk) 09:32, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Xennials dispute: editor misrepresented you?[edit]

NeilN is on an extended wikibreak and will not be assisting in this matter. Please resolve the issue via normal channels rather than on NeilN's talkpage. Softlavender (talk) 20:17, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

@NeilN: Hello, please excuse me if I'm doing this wrong; other than twelve small edits over the years I've only been editing a lot since December. User DynaGirl claims that you support the word "neologism" in the lead sentence of the article Xennials. I see that you're referring to the word as a neologism in a discussion on the talk page, but I don't interpret that to mean that you support using the word "neologism" in the lead of the article. I believe Dynagirl has a pattern of manipulation. I have to say this isn't a good first experience with editing on Wikipedia. It's certainly been difficult for me to not get sucked into being argumentative.

This is where I believe she misrepresents you: [12]

This is your talk page edit that she references: [13]

This is the dispute over the word "neoligism" [14] --Kolya Butternut (talk) 08:16, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

Kolya Butternut, NeilN is on a wiki-break and will not be answering your question. He hasn't edited in six months. Softlavender (talk) 11:06, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
Hi NeilN, something strange seems to be going on with this editor. At the time they came to your talk page, I had already supported removal of neologism from the lead and edited it into the article [15]. At this point, Kolya Butternut has repeatedly illustrated on Talk:Xennials that they are more interested in me (i.e. arguing with me, attempting to discredit me, etc) than with article content or consensus. This makes me suspicious that Kolya Butternut could possibly be related to someone I’ve previously brought to SPI. Koyla is not technically a new editor, rather they appear to be a recently revived WP:Sleeper account. I think you were one of the admins involved with blocking some of the socks and IPs that have generally disrupted articles related to generations for quite some time. Hopefully, you (or some friendly talk page stalkers) could keep an eye on the situation on Xennials and on generation articles in general. There has also been a lot of recent disruption to G.I. Generation. With respect to Xennials, something strange appears to be going on with Koyla, or the IP currently editing on that article, or both. DynaGirl (talk) 18:29, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Administrators' newsletter – February 2019[edit]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2019).


Administrator changes

added EnterpriseyJJMC89
readded BorgQueen
removed Harro5Jenks24GraftR. Baley

Interface administrator changes


Guideline and policy news

  • A request for comment is currently open to reevaluate the activity requirements for administrators.
  • Administrators who are blocked have the technical ability to block the administrator who blocked their own account. A recent request for comment has amended the blocking policy to clarify that this ability should only be used in exceptional circumstances, such as account compromises, where there is a clear and immediate need.
  • A request for comment closed with a consensus in favor of deprecating The Sun as a permissible reference, and creating an edit filter to warn users who attempt to cite it.

Technical news

  • A discussion regarding an overhaul of the format and appearance of Wikipedia:Requests for page protection is in progress (permalink). The proposed changes will make it easier to create requests for those who are not using Twinkle. The workflow for administrators at this venue will largely be unchanged. Additionally, there are plans to archive requests similar to how it is done at WP:PERM, where historical records are kept so that prior requests can more easily be searched for.


  • Voting in the 2019 Steward elections will begin on 08 February 2019, 14:00 (UTC) and end on 28 February 2019, 13:59 (UTC). The confirmation process of current stewards is being held in parallel. You can automatically check your eligibility to vote.
  • A new IRC bot is available that allows you to subscribe to notifications when specific filters are tripped. This requires that your IRC handle be identified.

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 02:15, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Continued Wikihounding /POV edits.[edit]

I made numerous edits in a massive attempt to rid the article John Hagee of issues, and very pro-Israel editor Icewhiz removed some of the content as "No consensus for attack content in lede". Less than 5 minutes later, the Israel-based IP (talk · contribs) undid all of my other edits, claiming "unexplained massive removal of sourced content, discuss first", then 4 minutes after that, Icewhiz fails to revert the change and starts removing other content. Obviously, I highly suspect it's his IP, based on his past editing with a very pro-Israel POV. (numerous times he has been taken to ANI, AE, etc, via this type of editing.) To make matters worse, I come back from my wikibreak, try to reach a middle ground by making this edit, and then post to Nyttend (talk · contribs)'s talk page about my concerns and my consternation in dealing with this, and Icewhiz wikihounds me to his page. I made no ping at him or anything. This isn't the only time Icewhiz has hounded me. In a case you presided over last year at AE where Icewhiz misleadingly attempted to get me blocked for a false report of violating sanctions, I called into play this hounding behavior and nothing was done about it.(see here.) Just going to his talk page shows that he has even engaged in this behavior with User:Nableezy. Indeed, I noticed that Icewhiz made a completely unnecessary comment at SPI (here) about the users intentions for reporting a valid concern of a sockpuppet. I'm getting really sick of being followed around Wikipedia by this user, and their other problems with editors are cause for great concern. - R9tgokunks 22:49, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

R9tgokunks as mentioned in several threads on this page NielN is on an extended wikibreak and has not edited in months. Please be aware that as you have also posted about this on Nyttend's talk page this could be seen as WP:FORUMSHOPPING. MarnetteD|Talk 22:48, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
MarnetteD, I had an issue with my browser and wasn't able to complete my post. Please re-read? I was bringing it here because NeilN presided over interactions between the user and myself before. Do you have a comment on how I should proceed? I'm really fed up with being harassed by the user via their hounding and edit warring. - R9tgokunks 22:50, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
MarnetteD, as I read it, the issue with forum shopping is that you're trying to get a desirable response after getting an undesirable one; I just got back from work and haven't made any edits in seven hours, so I haven't made any responses at all. Plus, by pinging me here, R9tgokunks made sure that I would see the response — were NeilN active, I would have been able to come in and say "I already said X" were that the case. Nyttend (talk) 22:54, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for the clarification Nyttend. Just so you know R9 did not ping you with their first edit which is the one I responded to. I hadn't looked into the situation in depth so I was just worried that R9 might be creating a problem for themselves. I hope that things work out to everyone's satisfaction. MarnetteD|Talk 23:02, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
I hadn't noticed that, but even without the "I had an issue with my browser" note, I would have assumed some mistake. You'd be nuts if you intentionally ended your statement with "revert the change and starts removing the", without finishing anything, adding a signature, etc., so I would have assumed a too-early "enter" or something of the like. Nyttend (talk) 23:09, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Question about COI tag on Vivek Ramaswamy page[edit]

Hi. I've been hired, only recently, to work with Vivek Ramaswamy on his page. I understand that you placed a COI tag on the page in March 2017 and I'd like to get an understanding from you about the removal of the tag. Have the issues been resolved? Is there a way for me to work with editors to get the tag removed? I wasn't involved with the company when the tag was put on and I work for them with a clear COI - is there a way to move ahead to get it removed? Thanks for your assistance in the matter, FinalFrontier.003 (talk) 07:11, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

FinalFrontier.003, NeilN is on an extended break from Wikipedia, so he will not see or answer your question. Softlavender (talk) 09:37, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Talk pages consultation 2019[edit]

The Wikimedia Foundation has invited the various Wikimedia communities, including the English Wikipedia, to participate in a consultation on improving communication methods within the Wikimedia projects. As such, a request for comment has been created at Wikipedia:Talk pages consultation 2019. You are invited to express your views in the discussion. ~ Winged BladesGodric 05:20, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

Self-admitted sock[edit]

Hi, Neil. You may wish to be aware of this message that was posted on my talk page yesterday: User talk:Amaury/2019#Guilty. The relevant SPI is at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Simulation12. Amaury (talk | contribs) 17:56, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @Amaury: NeilN has [not] edited for four months now, FYI re your SPI. ——SerialNumber54129 18:02, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
I've blocked the IP. There are many IPs from that range being disruptive at various venues. I'm knocking them off one by one - don't know if a range block would be feasible as I haven't wanted to take the time to figure it out. I also just semi'ed the SPI itself.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:06, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – March 2019[edit]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2019).

Guideline and policy news

Technical news

  • A new tool is available to help determine if a given IP is an open proxy/VPN/webhost/compromised host.


  • The Arbitration Committee announced two new OTRS queues. Both are meant solely for cases involving private information; other cases will continue to be handled at the appropriate venues (e.g., WP:COIN or WP:SPI).
    • has been set up to receive private evidence related to abusive paid editing.
    • has been set up to receive private requests for CheckUser. For instance, requests for IP block exemption for anonymous proxy editing should now be sent to this address instead of the functionaries-en list.


Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 21:13, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Inexplicable vandalism from experienced editor[edit]

Could you take a look at this edit? It's unambiguous vandalism, and the editor self-reverted almost immediately. Normally I'd just leave a template on the editor's talk page and move on, but they have 20,000+ edits and a bunch of user permissions related to fighting vandalism, so I assume they know the rules. In any case, I thought it was weird enough that I would be better off passing the buck to someone with experience in the area. Nblund talk 04:30, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

Worth considering whether it's a compromised account; they hadn't edited for a month. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 04:36, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
A user who would do this would not vandalize an article with the phrase "SJW nonsense." I'm pretty sure the account is compromised. Ian.thomson (talk) 04:51, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
It may have been a temporary compromise. They made that one uncharacteristic vandalism edit, reverted immediately, and have done nothing since. Somebody in their household messed with their keyboard, said OMG, and reverted?) I suggest we keep an eye on the account but not take any action right now. If anything further like that happens we should immediately block as compromised. (BTW Nblund, the reason others are chiming in here is because NeilN hasn't edited in several months. If it happens again, notify someone else.) -- MelanieN (talk) 05:00, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
Erm, too late. >_> Ian.thomson (talk) 05:01, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
Fair enough. They can work it out when they come back to editing. (Surprise!!! 0;-D) -- MelanieN (talk) 05:02, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
Thanks to to all for taking a look! After looking around, I realized I probably would have known about the Wikibreak if I had read virtually any other talk-page thread. Alas. NeilN: sorry to clutter your talk page, but - amazingly - posting on your user page still gets things done even when you're not here. Nblund talk 05:17, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

Long time no chat[edit]

Hi NeilN! I hope that you're doing well and that life is happy. It's been awhile since we've seen one another, and I just wanted to leave a message here to say hello and let you know that I was thinking about you... Cheers :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 03:37, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

Miss seeing you around! Airplaneman 22:19, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – April 2019[edit]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2019).

Technical news



  • Two more administrator accounts were compromised. Evidence has shown that these attacks, like previous incidents, were due to reusing a password that was used on another website that suffered a data breach. If you have ever used your current password on any other website, you should change it immediately. All admins are strongly encouraged to enable two-factor authentication, please consider doing so. Please always practice appropriate account security by ensuring your password is secure and unique to Wikimedia.
  • As a reminder, according to WP:NOQUORUM, administrators looking to close or relist an AfD should evaluate a nomination that has received few or no comments as if it were a proposed deletion (PROD) prior to determining whether it should be relisted.

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 21:57, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Long time no see[edit]

Dropping by to say hello! Hope that you're doing well:-) WBGconverse 17:25, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

ArbCom 2019 special circular[edit]

Icon of a white exclamation mark within a black triangle
Administrators must secure their accounts

The Arbitration Committee may require a new RfA if your account is compromised.

View additional information

This message was sent to all administrators following a recent motion. Thank you for your attention. For the Arbitration Committee, Cameron11598 02:29, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Administrator account security (Correction to Arbcom 2019 special circular)[edit]

ArbCom would like to apologise and correct our previous mass message in light of the response from the community.

Since November 2018, six administrator accounts have been compromised and temporarily desysopped. In an effort to help improve account security, our intention was to remind administrators of existing policies on account security — that they are required to "have strong passwords and follow appropriate personal security practices." We have updated our procedures to ensure that we enforce these policies more strictly in the future. The policies themselves have not changed. In particular, two-factor authentication remains an optional means of adding extra security to your account. The choice not to enable 2FA will not be considered when deciding to restore sysop privileges to administrator accounts that were compromised.

We are sorry for the wording of our previous message, which did not accurately convey this, and deeply regret the tone in which it was delivered.

For the Arbitration Committee, -Cameron11598 21:04, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – May 2019[edit]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2019).

Guideline and policy news

Technical news

  • XTools Admin Stats, a tool to list admins by administrative actions, has been revamped to support more types of log entries such as AbuseFilter changes. Two additional tools have been integrated into it as well: Steward Stats and Patroller Stats.


  • In response to the continuing compromise of administrator accounts, the Arbitration Committee passed a motion amending the procedures for return of permissions (diff). In such cases, the committee will review all available information to determine whether the administrator followed "appropriate personal security practices" before restoring permissions; administrators found failing to have adequately done so will not be resysopped automatically. All current administrators have been notified of this change.
  • Following a formal ratification process, the arbitration policy has been amended (diff). Specifically, the two-thirds majority required to remove or suspend an arbitrator now excludes (1) the arbitrator facing suspension or removal, and (2) any inactive arbitrator who does not respond within 30 days to attempts to solicit their feedback on the resolution through all known methods of communication.


Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:37, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

RE: Deletion Request for a Hip-Hop/Rap Musician's Sibling (Discussion at Talk:Cardi B#Hennessy Doesn't Need a Page... Not Famous Enough)[edit]

Had done this to fellow admin Acroterion's page but he said that the deletion didn't come to any consensous. Then I transferred the situation to Page Protection Requesting but EL C replied about the page has not been erased.

I don't think she should not have an article here anyway. Only 489 words too long makes it too non-notable for the subject.

Level of protection is creation indefinite and it was supposed to red-linked. And here's who I am speaking bout: Hennessy Caroline younger sister of Cardi B. (no really that's the moniker she was given with due to her father looking intoxicated at delivery)

It must be deleted before protection for said rapper expires on the 21st of August. Otherwise.... another eternal lockup. Make it happen one day. One day!

Cheers, (talk) 15:45, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi, I thought you should know that Neil has not edited the project for some time, and it is unlikely he will see this message in the short term. Roxy, the dog. wooF 16:29, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Urgent BLP expurgation[edit]

Only Southern Poverty Law Center says CIS is hate group. No RS say CIS is hate group. None! So text was removed. You do edit war to restore unsourced BLP text [16] [17] then PROTECT page to preserve it. Even admin must follow BLP. Be careful and remove. Here you act less like redactor more like some kind activist? How can this be? Where to complain about activist redactor? (talk) 08:26, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi, I thought you should know that Neil has not edited the project for some time, and it is unlikely he will see this message in the short term. His actions were, in my opinion, entirely correct, Regards -Roxy, the dog. wooF 10:42, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Happy Admin Day!![edit]

Administrators' newsletter – June 2019[edit]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2019).


Administrator changes

removed AndonicConsumed CrustaceanEnigmamanEuryalusEWS23HereToHelpNv8200paPeripitusStringTheory11Vejvančický

CheckUser changes

removed Ivanvector

Guideline and policy news

  • An RfC seeks to clarify whether WP:OUTING should include information on just the English Wikipedia or any Wikimedia project.
  • An RfC on WT:RfA concluded that Requests for adminship and bureaucratship are discussions seeking to build consensus.
  • An RfC proposal to make the templates for discussion (TfD) process more like the requested moves (RM) process, i.e. "as a clearinghouse of template discussions", was closed as successful.

Technical news

  • The CSD feature of Twinkle now allows admins to notify page creators of deletion if the page had not been tagged. The default behavior matches that of tagging notifications, and replaces the ability to open the user talk page upon deletion. You can customize which criteria receive notifications in your Twinkle preferences: look for Notify page creator when deleting under these criteria.
  • Twinkle's d-batch (batch delete) feature now supports deleting subpages (and related redirects and talk pages) of each page. The pages will be listed first but use with caution! The und-batch (batch undelete) option can now also restore talk pages.


Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 09:48, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

Not even a dicky bird?[edit]

C'mon Neil, at least drop us a word, however small. In a few months you're going to lose your bit for inactivity. At least let us know you're alive and relatively well. I'm sure you can spare 30 seconds from your work, however busy you are .... Softlavender (talk) 00:12, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – July 2019[edit]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (June 2019).


Administrator changes

removed 28bytesAd OrientemAnsh666BeeblebroxBoing! said ZebedeeBU Rob13Dennis BrownDeorDoRDFloquenbeam1Flyguy649Fram2GadfiumGB fanJonathunderKusmaLectonarMoinkMSGJNickOd MishehuRamaSpartazSyrthissTheDJWJBscribe
1Floquenbeam's access was removed, then restored, then removed again.
2Fram's access was removed, then restored, then removed again.

Guideline and policy news

  • In a related matter, the account throttle has been restored to six creations per day as the mitigation activity completed.

Technical news

  • The Wikimedia Foundation's Community health initiative plans to design and build a new user reporting system to make it easier for people experiencing harassment and other forms of abuse to provide accurate information to the appropriate channel for action to be taken. Community feedback is invited.


Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 21:20, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

PA just for asking about reliability[edit]

while I am trying to remove the neutrality issue of the Women's rights in Iran 's article, HistoryofIran accused me to do pov-pushing IRI edits 2 times! In another hand, when I issued the lack of source for some key sentences in the lede, he said "Are you honestly saying women in Iran have just as much rights compared to other countries? The article makes it quite clear that that is not the case" ... or " The whole article pretty much highlights the lack of women rights in Iran, yet you're still putting a citation need tag"... everyone knows that Wikipedia articles are not RS! I just want to improve Women's rights in Iran article and you can check my edits in that article, but by such suffering from HistoryofIran who was blocked by you, it could be too difficult. Regards!Saff V. (talk) 06:55, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

Neil does not appear to be active on the project at the moment. -Roxy, the dog. wooF 06:58, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

Welcome Obama[edit]

Can you please unprotect the page? I have revamped Draft:Welcome Obama substantially, and want to move it to the mainspace. And I promise you, I am not a sockpuppet of Padmalakshmisx. --Kailash29792 (talk) 06:26, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

 Done. El_C 06:30, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
Neil hasn't edited since 2018. He's missed. Bishonen | talk 07:06, 25 July 2019 (UTC).


Hi NeilN. Would you mind watching File:National Bank of New Zealand logo.svg and Lloyds Bank Canada. I think the IP who was edit warring over this file a few years back has returned as The file was removed from the article per Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2016 September 2#File:National Bank of New Zealand logo.svg and the close was endorsed per Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2017 January 26. I posting here because you did remove both the file from the article and the corresponding non-free use rationale from the file's page here and here after you blocked per Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RRArchive336#User: reported by User:Marchjuly (Result: Blocked 48 hours). I'm pretty sure it's the same person; the account started editing a few days ago, made a couple of unrelated edits, then immediately went to the file's page and the concerned articles (neither of which had been edited in over two years since your edits, except for one cleanup edit made to the article in December 2018). FWIW, I did post something about this on Nthep's user talk as well the other day, but he might be busy or something at the moment. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:25, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Sorry. I didn't notice that NeilN hasn't edited in quite while when I posted the above. I hope the reason for that is he just decided to take an extended Wikibreak to recharge his batteries and not something more serious. -- Marchjuly (talk) 20:46, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
He got very busy with work and apparently never got unbusy. Softlavender (talk) 23:27, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – August 2019[edit]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2019).

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 19:24, 3 August 2019 (UTC)


Hey Neal, you have not been seen on Wiki for about 10 months, i hope that this is because you decided to take a long Wiki-break and not because of some problems in your real life. Take care man.---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 00:23, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

+1. It's actually been a year now since NeilN's last logged admin action, and it's only that brief note from October 5 (ironically saying he was hoping to be more active going forward) that has stopped him from being desysopped for inactivity already. I hope he comes back one day. -- Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:22, 14 August 2019 (UTC)


Hello NeilN. I hope you are enjoying your time away from Wikipedia. As a formality, please be advised that the Arbitration Committee has received an unblock appeal from Darkfrog24 and we have posted it at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Unblock appeal by Darkfrog24 for review by the community. I wanted to make you aware of the appeal as the blocking administrator in June 2018. Additional information is available at User talk:Darkfrog24#Restore user talk page access. Best regards, Mkdw talk 20:11, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

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Administrators' newsletter – September 2019[edit]

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:37, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Arbitration proposed decision listed[edit]

The proposed decision in the Antisemitism in Poland arbitration case has been released, and it contains one or more findings of fact or remedies which relate to you. Please review this proposed decision and draw the arbitrators' attention to any relevant material or statements. Comments may be brought to the attention of the committee on the proposed decision talk page. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 05:28, 7 September 2019 (UTC)