User talk:Netoholic

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Some thoughts:
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You have been blocked for 24 hours for edit warring, per discussion at [1]. Stopping at three reverts, then doing three more after 24 hours have elapsed is not acceptable, and is no substitute for dialogue. Please be more careful in the future.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:04, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Amakuru: I have a lengthy dialog with the original "closer" at User_talk:MJL#Council_proposals, where he had stopped trying to "close" this proposal. This new editor Bilorv (likewise, INVOLVED) took it upon himself to continue to GAME the situation by reopening the wound, as it were. Both these editors are performing an "closure" action which is unsupported by any policy or procedure related to WP:WikiProject Council/Proposals, and you've just played into that hand. -- Netoholic @ 12:08, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
OK, well it's great that you did discuss it, but I don't see agreement form MJL to undo their action. So that wasn't a licence to go back and resume edit warring over the close today. I have no opinion on the right or wrong of the issue, but you've been on Wikipedia long enough to know that edit warring is never the way to resolve a dispute. Wikipedia:Dispute resolution is your friend. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 12:17, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
Amakuru: No warnings to the other editors to stop edit warring to perform a "close" which has no basis on established procedure? Tehse editors are disrupting Wikipedia's process of proposing WikiProjects. This is a behavioral problem on their part - none can cite a discussion which actually endorses sucha close, and they are all INVOLVED in prior discussions related to the page - Bilorv himself appears in the discussion section of Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Men. When is it EVER acceptable for an INVOLVED person to 1) perform a close, and 2) edit war to enforce this bad closure? -- Netoholic @ 12:28, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
The closer was not involved, and Bilorv (who only reverted twice, and then warned you to stop before bringing it to the edit war noticeboard when you repeated the action again) was simply reinstating a previous close. You're welcome to continue the conversation at MJL's talk page, and seek a third opinion via dispute resolution, but at a certain point if nobody agrees with you then you just have to WP:Drop the stick. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 12:46, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
Amakuru: The closer WAS involved, see both Bilorv and MJL's comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Men. It is critical because if they are INVOLVED, then their "closure" and repeated edit warring to force such a closure is disruptive to Wikipedia process. -- Netoholic @ 13:10, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
The person who was edit warring is the one who made six reverts, deliberately trying to game 3RR, not the people who made two reverts each, with encouragements to discuss the matter in their edit summaries. Bilorv (he/him) (talk) 13:43, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
Reverting disruption is not edit warring. You -know- your INVOLVED actions have no basis in WikiProject Council procedure nor any other policy. -- Netoholic @ 13:55, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
"Disruption" isn't listed as a category under Wikipedia:Edit warring#Exemptions, nor is "violation of WP:INVOLVED". My actions have basis in WP:CONSENSUS and WP:NOTBURO and I certainly don't "know" that they have no basis in policy, otherwise I wouldn't have made them. Bilorv (he/him) (talk) 14:16, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

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Jonathan Haidt article[edit]

Hi, I saw that you removed the "written like Advert" tag on Jonathan Haidt's page. Ronz readded it, but didn't leave justification on the Talk page. I agree with you that the article looks pretty standard. I added a section in the Talk page to avoid an edit war, but perhaps you can give your opinion there. Multiple editors have removed the tag, but Ronz readds it. If there are issues with the article, we should look into what needs to be done, but without specific references to the problems, it's hard to figure out what issues are present. I think perhaps there's a better tag to use.

Chrisvacc (talk) 16:34, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Masculinism (August 19)[edit]

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Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by JHunterJ was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.
JHunterJ (talk) 13:39, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
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