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Articles for deletion nomination of Warsame Ali[edit]

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Hi scoobycentric[edit]

i wanted to talk you about our disagreement on the Horn of Africa. let me make it clear that i do not disagree with the definition that the Horn of Africa Region comprising Eritrea, Djibouti, Ethiopia, and Somalia. thats one of the defenitons of the term.

Horn of Africa is also the name of a peninsula which the region takes it name from, The wiki article mentions that it is a peninsula but fails to include what it comprises. [1]The encyclopedia of Britanica about the Horn of Africa region says at the bottom for defenitin of the Horn of Africa visit Merriam Webster, i think you will find this enlightining--Liban80 (talk) 14:05, 19 June 2009 (UTC)Liban80

Articles for deletion nomination of Alim Ahmed Fatah[edit]

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Articles for deletion nomination of Ali Said Faqi[edit]

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re:Thanks[edit]

Don't mention it; it was long overdue! Middayexpress (talk) 21:21, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Somalia Articles[edit]

I have recently somehow gotten myself into the mood to try to make some contributions to Somalia-related articles. Specifically, I am hoping to work on Category:Cities,_towns_and_villages_in_Somalia. I have no particular knowledge of Somalia, but I am a native English speaker (and writer) and that seems to be one of the big problems in a lot of these pages. User:Middayexpress noted that you work on these sorts of things. I've kind of just been going down the list of them, but if you have some pointers or better ideas on how one might improve these articles, I'm all ears. --Nogburt (talk) 04:22, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Somalia Affair[edit]

I see you are interested in the debate over the images in the Somalia Affair article. I understand your concerns, but the revert warring really has to stop. The images are up for deletion on Commons, and we will see what decision is made there. There is no need to revert war over removing the images when it will all be decided in a few days. If you want to debate this issue, please join the discussion at Talk:Somalia Affair - SimonP (talk) 14:30, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Puntland[edit]

Hey Scoob. You may be interested in this conversation with that now-unblocked user regarding Puntland. For some reason, he has refused to post it on the Puntland article's talk page, but whatever. Middayexpress (talk) 21:01, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Eh?[edit]

What do you mean by an attack page? Those are really the nicknames of Somali clans, and Abdullahi Yusuf really did have both of those terrible nicknames. Ingoman (talk) 16:10, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

You're crazy, but apparently an administrator so c'est la vie I suppose. Ingoman (talk) 22:03, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Personal attacks such as that psycho-analysis you just made of me are not allowed on wikipedia, please have a look at WP:NPA, the next time i will report you.--Scoobycentric (talk) 22:13, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

August 2009[edit]

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Talkback[edit]

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Hello, Scoobycentric. You have new messages at Ingoman's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

- please note especially my concerns at your warnings, and why they are being misread as being crazy. Personal attacks are different to attack pages - hence the return comment by Ingoman - and his coming to an inaccurate belief that you are an administrator. If you require assistance I would appreciate it that you come to me or another senior editor as to what warnings should or can be left on other's talk pages --VirtualSteve need admin support? 22:31, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Personal attacks can never be justified, wikipedia is a platform where people from all backgrounds can come to contribute and edit. Disagreements or disputes which logically result from such a diverse community are not reasons to reply with ad hominems. I followed wiki-policy and added the attack-page template on the article in question which was deleted and also added another template on the userpage of it's creator. The template contains a warning text which was not written by me and therefore might look out of place since the article created by Ingoman was an attack page as oppossed to a personal attack, but let me re-iterate the fact that his misunderstanding/confusion regarding this template and it's incorporated text in no way warrants his following reply [quote:you're crazy], so kindly do not try to justify it!--Scoobycentric (talk) 00:03, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

  • But you again miss the point. You added a templated warning message that did not fit the error made by Ingoman. He did not "personally attack" anyone and when you detailed that he had by posting the incorrect warning at his page, he thought your response was (in his terms) "crazy". Any neutral observer like myself who read through the contribution histories of both parties would understand that response based on your error. I have added more at Ingoman's talk page after your message and I ask that you note that the warning I have provided there should you repeat your behaviour by adding incorrect warnings to another person's talk page.--VirtualSteve need admin support? 00:07, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

We are going in circles, here is the proceedure wikipedia advices in case of an attack page that disparages it's subject(wich the Somali clan nicknames clear did):

Non-administrative users who find such pages should add the Template:-db-attack- tag to them, and should warn the user who created them by putting the Template:-attack tag on their talk page. - Wikipedia:Attack_page

This revision at 11:07, 20 August 2009[1] clearly shows i added the following template: Template:-attack(I have put lines between the brackets to prevent the templates from showing in my userpage). Therefore i did exactly as i was adviced to do as a non-administrating member of wikipedia. The incorporated text was not written by me, i just followed wikipedia's policy on attack pages and was very pleased with the prompt deletion of the attack page in question.--Scoobycentric (talk) 00:27, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

  • Cut and pasted point of clarity Finally some semblance of understanding by you when you write at Ingoman's talk page that your template therefore might look out of place since the article created by Ingoman was an attack page as opposed to a personal attack. From that perspective - you might now be able to see why he thought your template was "crazy" and therefore not a further personal attack at you and why your response was inappropriate. On my side I too see your point in relation to not writing the content of the template - but as you become a more experienced editor you will learn to not use templates (or alternatively to adjust them after they have been posted by yourself) so there is less chance of another editor new to your acquaintance of misunderstanding your message - and even less chance again of your seeing that any response they make as being a Personal Attack on yourself. Well done - oh and feel free to use whichever administrator you like but if you need my help then I will be happy to assist.--VirtualSteve need admin support? 00:39, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi Scooby, I think what happened in this case was that the warning template generated by {{db-attack}} wasn't quite right, this sin't a new situation and I'm afraid you should always reality check templates and if necessary tweak the result to make it relevant. I'm currently on limited IT access, but when I'm more online perhaps we should raise the idea of tweaking that template or creating a alternative version. ϢereSpielChequers 18:47, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

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Re: Gabre Heard[edit]

First, I believe your modifications to my edit were an improvement, emphasizing the point I wanted to bring out: the importance of the incident is not whether he did it, but the story itself. I started poking around the Internet, & was surprised at how often it was repeated. General Gebre has managed to attract an unpleasant reputation from his actions in Somalia -- whatever they were. And that is my only reason for insisting on re-adding it.

And I hope you're wrong about Ethiopian Review: with recent press laws in Ethiopia, it has become more difficult to find reliable information about the doings in that country.

Lastly, my addition to the article puts a new spin on his story: being disciplined in Ethiopia on the grounds of financial irregularities (corruption, blackmail, etc.) is the typical official whitewash for being arrested for political reasons. If I am correct, then it may be the general's primary worry at this moment is not the content of Wikipedia, but for his own survival -- if he is not dead. (In that case we no longer have WP:BLP concerns about this article.) :-( llywrch (talk) 04:59, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Llywrch, the fact that it was so widely disseminated on the net is only one example of the propaganda war typical of this conflict. The important point is; not a single major news outlet (both Somali or foreign) made the same claim despite the dozen independent Somali reporters with govermental links(who are always the first to come out with breaking news, that ends up being the truth, so why did this particular juicy story slip by their radar but got picked up by an Iranian entity with not a single link in Somalia itself?), Press-tv is a well known fabricator and their unsubstantiated controversial anti-government stories are always taken with a grain of salt.
If they were to make the following headline: Meles Zenawi kidnapped by US special forces and taken to Djibouti, then watch how fast this obvious propaganda would travel through the net. It is because of this reason why i feel this particular sensationalist story doesn't belong on a encyclopedia like Wikipedia because it's source is highly biased and the story itself remains unproven. Therefore if someone were to challenge the inclusion of that section in the future, i won't defend it.--Scoobycentric (talk) 02:03, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
As I said above, with recent press laws in Ethiopia, it has become more difficult to find reliable information about the doings in that country. And you have mentioned one of the reasons why. -- llywrch (talk) 05:47, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

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Please follow WP:Dispute resolution at Somalia Affair[edit]

Hello Scoobycentric. The 3RR case at WP:AN3#User:Sherurcij reported by User:Middayexpress (Result: 48h) is now closed. Though one editor was blocked, he is now unblocked with the agreement to follow WP:Dispute resolution. Please note that an edit war does not reflect well on any of the parties, and that more than one person could easily have been blocked. Do not continue to revert this article to your preferred version without first getting a Talk page consensus. If you can't get anyone besides the three of you to participate on talk, open a WP:Request for comment. I can provide assistance with the mechanics. Continued reverting of this article by anyone may lead to additional sanctions.

Let me know if I can answer any questions on how dispute resolution works. EdJohnston (talk) 16:07, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Alright, i will refrain from reverting the article. Thanks for the above links, i will read them and see which option would be best. --Scoobycentric (talk) 06:55, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Somali script[edit]

Hey Scoobycentric. Please have a look at this discussion. It involves a source you added to the Somalia article indicating that there used to be an ancient Somali writing script which has yet to be deciphered. A couple of wiki-users are having trouble accepting this, so your thoughts on the matter would be most appreciated. Middayexpress (talk) 23:16, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Somali people[edit]

Thanks for the compliment. However, I think 25 people is way too much. We have to accept that we cannot include everybody, and that the List of Somalis article linked to at the bottom of the page is there to cover the rest. Most other articles have one list of notables; but we have what amounts to one list of notables in just about every section of the article, which I think is exaggerating a bit. Middayexpress (talk) 04:22, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, we could certainly do that. Middayexpress (talk) 04:47, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
Nice work on the List. It's certainly a lot more orderly now. Middayexpress (talk) 00:04, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
Just added a few more infoboxes; I hope that's OK. I think the bio articles look a lot more professional that way with all of the vital information in one place at the top. Middayexpress (talk) 22:06, 29 November 2009 (UTC)


Yo ho ho[edit]

PS it took months to get round to it, but Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion has a thread about fixing that G10 problem from last summer. ϢereSpielChequers 20:55, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Portuguese- somalian conflicts[edit]

Hi, you state into the article Ajuuraan State "Ottoman-Somali cooperation against the Portuguese in the Indian Ocean reached a high point in the 1580s when Ajuuraan clients of the Somali coastal cities began to symphatize with the Arabs and Swahilis under Portuguese rule and send an envoy to the Turkish corsair Mir Ali Bey for a joint expedition against the Portuguese. He agreed and was joined by a Somali fleet which began attacking Portuguese colonies in Southeast Africa". Could you confirm me that Somalis joined Mir Ali for operations against the portugueses? Was it during the first expedition of Mir Ali (1585)? or the second one (1589)? Maybe you have the original quotation? I'm writing an article about the raids of Mir Ali on the swahili coast in french, see fr:Raids ottomans sur la côte swahilie which is why those informations are important for me. NB. regarding the presence of Mir Ali in the Somalian coast, following my sources, the people from Mogadishu beg him to stay there as their protector when he come back in 1589. Regards--Kimdime (talk) 06:42, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi Kimdime, I wrote that article quite a while ago, and I no longer have the book in my possession, so i'm not sure exactly wether the source was referring to the first expedition or the second expedition from this specific quote that i saved from the book: The well to do Somali leaders of Mogadishu, who sympathised with the beaten Arabs, sent a deputation to Mir Ali Bey - Portuguese rule and Spanish crown in South Africa, 1581-1640‎ - Page 28). The assertion that the Mogadishans 'begged' anyone to protect them, when they had repulsed and defeated previous Portuguese invasions seems strange, and historically incorrect. Good luck with your article though, try locating this book at your library, and take a interloan if necessary --Scoobycentric (talk) 19:41, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Mediation of East Africa[edit]

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East Africa[edit]

As a current participant in the ongoing mediation, I urge that you comment on the available options for Somaliland on the mediation talk page so that we (the mediators) can determine your position on the topic. Thank you Ronk01 talk, 02:49, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

East Africa Mediation[edit]

Please avoid editing the sections in dispute throughout the course of mediation. Ronk01 talk, 02:07, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

East Africa Mediation[edit]

Thank you for your opening statement Ronk01 talk, 04:00, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Questionnaire for East Africa Mediation[edit]

Firstly, I promise that this will be the last of my annoying talk page messages for now. Secondly, I would ask all participants to please answer the three questions on the mediation casepage. Thank you. (This message sent as a batch to all participants.) Ronk01 talk, 04:04, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

East Africa Mediation[edit]

I need to be sure that you are all willing to compromise your positions in order to make this mediation work because, as you all know compromise is essential to dispute resolution. Ronk01 talk, 00:43, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

I am more than willing to leave the mediation in the hands of Blueraspberry, however, Midnightexpress has declared that the nentire mediation has been rigged from the start and Blueraspberry is another conspirator. I would value your input here, as you are the only individual who has asked me to step down without resorting to personal attacks. Thank you. Ronk01 talk, 02:42, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Somalis in the United Kingdom[edit]

Hi. I'm just contacting people who have recently shown an interest in editing the Somalis in the United Kingdom article. There is a discussion going on on the NPOV noticeboard that you might want to contribute to. It relates to these discussions on the article's talk page. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:17, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Somalis in the UK[edit]

Hey Scoob. there's a bit of a controversy going on on the Somalis in the United Kingdom article that I think you'll be interested in. A lot of it has to do with material you added. Take care, Middayexpress (talk) 05:18, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Somalia[edit]

Please see previous discussions on the talk page. After numerous discussions and comments, there was a clear consensus that the article's previous lead was biased, and it was rewritten in accordance with that consensus. Middayexpress was virtually the only editor who objected to the lead being rewritten. Numerous editors have expressed their opinion, both on the talk page and in other venues, that Middayexpress has a conflict of interest. After the lead was rewritten, Middayexpress started asserting POV accusations on other users, despite the fact that they very clearly have a conflict of interest themselves. I don't know how long you've monitored the talk page, but the current state of the article, which you're siding with Middayexpress over, has been well established by consensus. Don't mistake an editor who isn't hearing the current consensus for 'lack of compromise,' especially after very little discussion. The situation is actually borderline being reported at WP:ANI. Anyway, I know how it is to walk into a situation with no context, so I thought I'd let you know what the background on it is. Thanks. Swarm X 07:29, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

3RR/N[edit]

Just stopped by to thank you for your helpful comments on the 3RR board. It's heartening to know that there are at least some fair contributors left on this website. Cheers, Middayexpress (talk) 03:32, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Replaceable fair use File:Somali-Kohlpot.jpg[edit]

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Something about medieval Somali[edit]

Hi, Scoobycentric. I viewed the history of the page Ajuuraan State and saw that you wrote the sentence "The sultanates and republics of Merca, Mogadishu, Barawa, Hobyo and their respective ports became profitable trade outlets for commodities originating from the interior of the State". As far as I know only Barawa is suspected to be a republic. So what were your resources? Why did you wrote "republics"? I'm doing some researches on the political situation of medieval East African states. I think your statement and your resources are important for me to some degree. Thank you! User:霎起林野间(Talk) —Preceding undated comment added 11:43, 6 April 2012 (UTC).

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