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April editathons at Women in Red[edit]


Good luck with that, but low expectations that Delmi can restrain from editing article about himself. History shows at least 150 edits by Delmi, logged in, plus an equal number as IPs while not logged in. David notMD (talk) 19:14, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

David notMD, yeah, I know. I'm a masochist when it comes to COIs behaving reasonably well. --valereee (talk) 19:37, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
David notMD, fingers crossed, sounds like he's planning to step away --valereee (talk) 13:25, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Why can't I post it here on Wikipedia?[edit]

am a local journalist here in my city. I really want to share stories in here. I have interviewed many people and companies regarding everything about them. I always have a paper that i jot down everything he says and signs the paper to approve everything is accurate. why it isn't possible — Preceding unsigned comment added by Haroldok (talkcontribs) 09:17, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Haroldok, I'm afraid that in order for information from your interviews of people and companies to be included in Wikipedia, they must have appeared in other reliable sources first. If, for instance, one of your articles was published in a major newspaper, the information in that article could be used in a Wikipedia article. I'm giving you this link now for the third time: WP:original research. Please read it, and after you've thoroughly read it, I'm happy to discuss it with you. Also, if you' please sign your posts by including four tildess like this: ~~~~ that helps other editors see who is posting. --valereee (talk) 09:27, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

new section[edit]

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Keep on being great! Lubbad85 () 17:43, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Lubbad85 thank you! --valereee (talk) 19:40, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

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Teahouse question[edit]

Hi, here's the ref you were looking for earlier: On TV's Friday the 13th, It's Robey Who Makes Little Boys Really Howl. In my opinion, I would not use it in a BLP. Cheers, gnu57 13:46, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

Genericusername57, thank you! And I think it's very interesting that this article does not say 'nude.' It says topless. --valereee (talk) 14:03, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
Is it just me, or is the People article saying that she moved in with Roman Polanski at age ~17?? I'm starting to think that we should tread carefully in describing her discovery as a model and early career. Cheers, gnu57 16:01, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
Lol that not-so-veiled reference went :::whoosh::: right over my head! Hm...I wonder what section of People this even appeared in. It's just not really...journalism? Not that I think People has ever tried to be the WSJ, but this seems a little gossipy even for them.
How do I keep getting caught up in the articles of people I have zero interest in? --valereee (talk) 16:20, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
I'm going to try finding other refs for all the facts in her bio so we can ditch this one: I think it's the sort of offensive tabloid garbage we shouldn't even link to. Cheers, gnu57 16:40, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 18, 2019)[edit]

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A Star[edit]

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For level headed impartiality and good Wikipedia work! Lubbad85 () 00:17, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for the kind words, Lubbad85, but I'm not very proud of the work we did there. --valereee (talk) 11:09, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

valereee I gave you a barnstar because your held your vote until you digested information. This seemed to me very Wikipedian of you. But now you are extending comments, shaming the Rescue Squadron and generally going on and on about what you see as a terrible insult to WP:GNG. It is important to note that these are your opinions, and I respected them when you stated them. It is getting harder to respect your opinion when you are bludgeoning editors with it. Have a great day, lets all give it a rest on that afd please Lubbad85 () 14:33, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Lubbad85, I apologize that my comments at ARS felt to you like shaming; that wasn't my intent. I have seen this kind of thing damage the reputation of projects before. It made me leery of joining the project, even though I had been considering it and believe in its mission. I am at heart an article-rescuer myself. --valereee (talk) 14:47, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
Lubbad85, I'm a bit loathe to continue this conversation, but the accusation of bludgeoning has been bothering me, and I'd like to clear the air. From my point of view I posted a comment to the AfD closer, and I posted a comment at ARS expressing concern about the AfD. After that I only replied to your replies to me, and I let you have the last word, and I think I was civil throughout. It seems clear to me that whether or not you and I agree, you are a well-intentioned editor, and I kind of hate to see this end with you thinking I'm not just as well-intentioned. Would you be willing to discuss further here? I'd like for us to end with at minimum each believing the other is well-intentioned, even when we disagree. --valereee (talk) 19:52, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
I will hold no grudges here - I am not married to the article or subject. I am taking umbrage with the repetition and extension of the afd to other forums. You think not GNG, I think GNG. We made our cases, but now we should let it go. I do not need to assume the closer needs any help closing this afd properly. I do not want the last word. I am a new member on Rescue Squadron so the last thing I want is to bring a magnificent drama to them and have an article I added be debated in their forum instead of on the afd where it belongs. This article and many others... WP:NOTPAPER - no limit to the articles we can keep. The original nominator has been uncivil and malicious. But you have not - I was hoping you would just let it go. When I woke up to find that you extended your comments - not letting it go, and then came to shake your finger at Rescue Squadron - I was disappointed. I am already over it. I hope you are too. Lubbad85 () 20:38, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
Lubbad85, thanks for being willing to try to find our area of agreement; I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. Best wishes. --valereee (talk) 11:27, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
I recently created an article for a notable female. She was extremely notable - but much of her notable accomplishments took place 1948-1986. It survived a four week Afd but not by much. I am very confident van Graas is notable. I think the sources are thin but she is no less notable. Like I said, I am not married to the idea. If you look in my contributions you will see I vote on hundreds of Afd. And I vote to delete often. I think I would have easily moved on if the NOM was not so argumentative and wrong-headed. I also noticed this theme in the NOM's history, calling for deletion on any model's stub-article. Have a great day. Lubbad85 () 13:50, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
I certainly agree with you that being hostile at AfD is counterproductive, no matter which 'side' you're on! I recall one AfD where the !voter actually said some version of, "The bad behavior from X user leads me to lean (keep or delete, I can't remember which.)" I don't actually like seeing people ignoring policy for this reason, but I understand the impulse. --valereee (talk) 13:55, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Daniella van Graas[edit]

If you changed your !vote to keep (I think you did), you need to put it in bold. Cheers. 7&6=thirteen () 16:45, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

User:7&6=13 I think I did? My original !vote, first one at the top of the page? --valereee (talk) 16:48, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
Gah! I hate your username format lol User:7&6=thirteen --valereee (talk) 16:49, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
I'm sorry that you hate my user name. But I've had it for 11 years, so it's a custom and it is my identity.
You can't teach an old dog new tricks.
I may have missed your vote. It's a long slog on that page, now.
I saw your DYK for the lady journalist, and was duly impressed. Keep up the good work. 7&6=thirteen () 16:53, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
User:7&6=thirteen I don't actually hate it, I just hate that I can't seem to remember how to ping it. :D Thanks, I'm quite immodestly proud of that Paxson article. --valereee (talk) 16:56, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
One of my pet peeves in Wikipedia is that we seem to concentrate on pokes, not strokes. Good contributions should be recognized and applauded. We do not seem to grasp that Positive reinforcement is more effective than punishment. We withhold barnstars like they cost us money to give. That is part of why i am part of the Wikipedia: Kindness campaign. Editor retention and recruitment are two of the great crises facing Wikipedia.
I saw you bolded your keep.
But I digress. Stay in touch. 7&6=thirteen () 17:01, 30 April 2019 (UTC)


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For an open mind and perseverance Lubbad85 () 17:03, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, Lubbad. As I've been saying all along, happy to !vote Keep if only the sources were there. :) Thanks to User:Genericusername57, they're there. --valereee (talk) 17:11, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you![edit]

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For being nice. :) Trillfendi (talk) 20:21, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 19, 2019)[edit]

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This week's article for improvement (week 20, 2019)[edit]

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Hi again! You helped with the Nostrana article recently. I was curious, do nightlife articles interest you as well, or more just food/restaurant content? Curious because I'm considering nominating Holocene (Portland, Oregon) and No Vacancy Lounge for Good article status after they receive copy edits from the Guild of Copy Editors. Your review of Nostrana was very helpful and thorough, so I was wondering if you might have any feedback on either article. If not, no worries, just figured I'd ask, and I'll still keep you in mind for restaurant articles. Either way, happy editing! ---Another Believer (Talk) 03:09, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Another Believer, defunct nightlife articles interest me. I think I may have done such a review for you once before -- a gay bar called Three Sisters or something like that? If you nom them, let me know, and if I have time I'll help! I've got an article at GA myself right now, though, and another one I'm prepping for FA so have at peer review, so depending on whether anyone picks one of those up I could get busy fast. --valereee (talk) 10:56, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
Valereee, Oh! I did not realize you had reviewed Three Sisters Tavern. Very cool! I will let you know. ---Another Believer (Talk) 14:04, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Actually, the copy edit for NVL is done, so I've nominated No Vacancy Lounge for Good status. ---Another Believer (Talk) 14:13, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Have a semla[edit]

Swedish delicacy
Well deserved. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:45, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Thank you! That makes me want to go find a Swedish bakery! --valereee (talk) 13:47, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Speaking of biographical details, I had the pleasure of adding this [1] a few days ago. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:55, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
Wow, that's pretty cool! --valereee (talk) 17:06, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Thank You for Being the Wiki Whisperer[edit]

But seriously, I was so angry and frustrated and no one was helpful until you showed up. Too many Y chromosomes and I felt ganged up on for trying to be Bold, as Wikipedia asks, but also careful, and Neutral, while also being caring, and on top of that, inexperienced! I won't be able to learn all the cool wiki symbols and tricks and that's okay, I have other skills. Your kindness was deeply appreciated, and your advice was very helpful. Also, I'm trying never to be attached to the outcome. It's been a horrific year for my family. So this stuff here is really nothing to lose sleep over. But I did. Because, like you warned me not to, I cared TOO much. Thank you again. PESchneider (talk) 18:38, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

PESchneider thank you for your kind words, and I'm glad we were able to help! Leave me a message here if you ever need more whispering! :) --valereee (talk) 18:42, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

I know I will be back! Cuz. Humans... :D PESchneider (talk) 20:59, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

PESchneider, hahaha! I'm glad you're keeping your sense of humor. I hope that the coming year will be better for you and yours. --valereee (talk) 21:00, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Personal data like nudism[edit]

Dear Valereee

In the page about vandalism you mentioned some data about nudism. I'm not accusing you of anything. I just wanted to add MY opinion: In my opinion the information about someone being a nudist, weather confirmed or not, should only be reported by the person him/her-self, not by anybody else. Steue (talk) 21:11, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Steue, I'm so sorry, I don't remember the page we're talking about -- can you give me a link so I can refresh my memory? --valereee (talk) 21:17, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Vandalism / Talk / 3 blp vandalism on pages with few watchers.
Sorry, I don't know how to make it one functioning link. Steue (talk) 21:52, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Vandalism BLP?[edit]

Dear Valereee

In the page about vandalism you used the abbreviation "BLP". Neither in the article about Phil Spencer nor in the English Wikipedia I could find an explanation what BLP might mean in this case. Please let me know. And, maybe, you might as well add your usage of BLP to the article BLP. Steue (talk) 21:41, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Aha!: Wikipedia_talk:Vandalism#blp_vandalism_on_pages_with_few_watchers
Steue, BLP is WP-talk for Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons, that is, WP-articles about living (and recently dead) people. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:50, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
GGS, thanks! Steue I agree -- people probably shouldn't be described as nudists/naturists unless they describe themselves that way. That's why we wouldn't include it unless it was very reliably sourced or self-sourced. In the case of the article I was referring to, someone had added it without sourcing. I was concerned that no one had caught it for over a week. No one seems to have responded to the question for six weeks now, I'm updating it, so thanks for reminding me! --valereee (talk) 22:00, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
GGS, Thanks a lot for this fast answer. Steue (talk) 22:15, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
GGS, Another question: How could I have gotten this link after your "Aha!", to add it in a question? Steue (talk) 22:15, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
Steue, I clicked the "blp vandalism" section in the "Contents" box at Wikipedia talk:Vandalism, copypasted the Wikipedia_talk:Vandalism#blp_vandalism_on_pages_with_few_watchers bit from the url and put it between double square brackets. More at Help:Link. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:03, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
Steue, there's also a way to "search" for these acronyms -- which we have a million of -- when someone uses one and doesn't provide the link. If you go up to the search box and type in WP:BLP (or whatever acronym, as long as you put the WP: before it) you'll get the link to the page explaining it. If you just have a random question about how to edit wikipedia, you can often find what you're looking for that way, by typing in WP: and then adding a search term like vandalism or help. --valereee (talk) 11:00, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

GGS, Thanks. I suppose you clicked with the second mouse button and selected, in the context menu, "Copy link-address". I tried this and it worked fine. So, thanks alot, also for the Help:Link.
Steue (talk) 05:26, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Before I "dive" into the Help:Link, another question: Can one link to a para which does not appear in the context-box, or even to a sentence or word?
Steue (talk) 05:35, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
Steue, I'm sorry, I'm not understanding your question -- you can link to any word or term that shows up when you start searching on it in the search box, is that what you're asking? --valereee (talk) 10:52, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, valereee. Next time I shall try this first, before I search outside.
Steue (talk) 05:44, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

valereee, I wanted to place "a link in a talk page" to "a specific word in a specific para in a specific article", a link which then only will have to be clicked to open this article at exactly this word in this para.
Steue (talk) 07:31, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
Sorry for troubling you with this question. But actually I meant this question to the User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång. I should have put my question to his talk-page. Steue (talk) 07:42, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
Valereee will probably forgive it, struggling to improve ones WP-fu is a noble task. Steue, I don't think that is possible, AFAIK the closest we get is "Linking to part of a section", see WP:LINKPART. I've never created "anchors" myself so I've never tried to make this work. One thing, you never have to "ping" someone at their own talkpage, it makes no difference. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:38, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Thank You![edit]

I just wanted to leave you a star for looking into my problem so quickly, but I forget where it was that I could access those from. Anyways, I see you are working on women journalists and veganism, among other things, so I can tell you are an awesome person. Thanks a bunch, and nice to meet you.

Usedtobecool Nice to meet you, too! If you add four tildes to the end of your comments on talk pages like this ~~~~ it will automatically sign your posts for you so that other editors can see who is talking! --valereee (talk) 19:00, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
I always keep forgetting that. Thanks for the reminder! This is the one thing that's hardest for me to always remember. Many times, I end up doing that on subsequent visits, or some bot does, before I have the chance. LOL! Usedtobecool (talk) 19:07, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
There are also two other ways. At the top of the editing box on talk pages, there's a little x-squiggle icon which will sign. At the bottom, there's a note that allows you to click the four tildes, that'll also sign. You'll find that as a new user most other editors will be patient with you about this, but as your edit count grows, they'll start getting grouchy with you. :) valereee (talk) 19:09, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
I am enjoying being a novice editor. So many things you can get away with. I love how polite experienced editors are. I wish I could always remain new :) Usedtobecool (talk) 19:37, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
Usedtobecool, hahahahaha! valereee (talk) 21:31, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.18[edit]

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Your GA nomination of The Tempestry Project[edit]

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This week's article for improvement (week 21, 2019)[edit]

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Your GA nomination of The Tempestry Project[edit]

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Chiswick Chap, thanks so much! --valereee (talk) 17:09, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

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