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Pages recently put under extended-confirmed protection[edit]

Pages recently put under extended confirmed protection (16 out of 1912 total) (Purge)
Page Protected Expiry Type Summary Admin
Mark Dantonio 2019-11-16 21:33 2019-11-23 21:33 edit,move Persistent vandalism: sports vandalism Bobak
David Koehn 2019-11-16 14:51 indefinite create Repeatedly recreated Fabrictramp
Tofig Babayev (scientist) 2019-11-16 13:37 indefinite create Repeatedly recreated violation of the copyright policy Diannaa
Tofig Babayev 2019-11-16 13:35 indefinite create Repeatedly recreated violation of the copyright policy Diannaa
Sajid Sadi 2019-11-15 22:25 2020-11-15 22:25 create Recently deleted BLP JzG
Rutger Hoedemaekers 2019-11-15 22:24 2020-11-15 22:24 create Recently deleted BLP JzG
Marie Yovanovitch 2019-11-15 18:56 2019-11-29 18:56 edit,move Violations of the biographies of living persons policy: request at WP:RFPP Ymblanter
Baha Abu al-Ata 2019-11-15 17:14 indefinite edit,move New editors are prohibited from editing this Arab–Israeli conflict related page El C
Dominican War of Independence 2019-11-15 14:32 2020-06-05 20:20 edit,move Persistent sock puppetry: Up protection El C
Parsley massacre 2019-11-15 14:31 2020-01-31 08:13 edit,move Persistent sock puppetry: Up protection El C
Lod 2019-11-15 13:03 2020-02-15 13:03 edit,move Persistent sock puppetry Spencer
Cat Creek Oil Field 2019-11-15 12:53 2019-12-15 12:53 edit,move Persistent sock puppetry: troll targets to this article Spencer
Carmelo Anthony 2019-11-15 07:42 2019-11-19 07:42 edit Persistent violations of the biographies of living persons policy from (auto)confirmed accounts Bagumba
Judicial Watch 2019-11-14 19:56 2019-12-14 19:56 edit,move Persistent violations of the biographies of living persons policy from (auto)confirmed accounts JzG
Brian MacLaurin 2019-11-13 23:21 indefinite create Recently deleted BLP JzG
Gaza–Israel clashes (November 2019) 2019-11-13 13:07 indefinite edit,move Arbitration enforcement: WP:ARBPIA3#500/30 Malcolmxl5

Self-nominations now open: 2019 Arbitration Committee elections[edit]

Eligible editors are now invited to nominate themselves as candidates for the 2019 Arbitration Committee elections. Nominations will not be accepted after 23:59 UTC on 12 November 2019. Voting on the candidates is scheduled to begin on Tuesday 00:00, 19 November 2019 and last until Monday 23:59, 02 December 2019 (UTC). Mz7 (talk) 00:06, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Jicco123, again[edit]

Jicco123 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)

It is clear that User:Jicco123 is unable to competently collaborate with others. Their edits to Mixer have been very questionable. They had at several points, pasted in feature information that was PR-laden, overly detailed and copied from other sources. They were also involved in a brief dispute on Bill Gates' article, insisting that he have an infobox as a YouTuber as well since he also has a YouTube channel. Their communications with other users have also been quite aggressive, as can be seen on user talk pages they have posted to.

I am deeply concerned about this user's actions. ViperSnake151  Talk  16:47, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Gave them a DS/alert regarding infoboxes. creffpublic a creffett franchise (talk to the boss) 17:17, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
Actually, could use some help - do DS notifications need to be logged in the same way that GS notifications do? If so, where do I do that? creffpublic a creffett franchise (talk to the boss) 17:23, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
DS alerts leave a log trail behind them. You do not need to post elsewhere about them. --Izno (talk) 19:27, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
The history of the user's talk page is a long line of various warnings that are simply removed without comment. -- ferret (talk) 17:31, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

He is a liar. I recreated the article in my sandbox. That are old information!

Jicco123 (talk) 20:01, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

What is the "old information"? Could you please give specifics when you accuse editors of disruptive changes? ViperSnake151  Talk  23:31, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
  • This user's sentiment is generally "what I did is not illegal, so it is not wrong"; everytime they do something that is unhelpful but not directly in violation of any guideline (or simply in cases where I cannot quote a guideline from the top of my head) and any of their contributions are corrected (for proper use of a template, better grammar/phrasing or otherwise), the user reverts back to their revision, citing that they did nothing wrong. I did note this in several of our discussions (we had quite a few encounters) but that did not change their mind. Generally, they display a sense of ownership of a multitude of articles where they made a few edits (and they tend to do 20 minor edits in a row on most of them) and refuse to collaborate with any other editors, let alone be corrected. The closing admin (provided they are able to understand German, as the user refuses to communicate in English where they are not forced to) may skim a few of our discussions in my talk page Archive 5 (2019) for examples of this. (Noticeably, the user also refuses to indent their messages for a better flow of communication, after I asked them at least ten times to do so). Lordtobi () 18:44, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Request to lift topic ban[edit]

I am kindly requesting administrators here to rescind my topic ban in the ARBPIA area, issued against me on 6 May 2019. See decision here.

I admit my mistake in leveling verbal attacks against two of my fellow editors, and I promise to be more circumspect in the future, during interaction with these editors. In the event of disagreement, I will henceforth seek the resolution of any dispute by consulting a broader audience of contributing editors, with the view that we should all keep the best interests of Wikipedia in mind, and strive to work together for the good of this worthy project.

It is without question that I have learnt my lesson very well, and will seek to work with all contributing editors with due respect and utmost civility, even if we should disagree on political issues. In the final analysis, we all desire the best for this educational resource used by millions of people on the Internet.Davidbena (talk) 23:13, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

  • Firmly oppose lifting the ban. Behavioral issues tipped the scales in the enactment of this TBAN in the first place, but they were neither the sole reason, nor is this the first TBAN in this area for this editor. This is asking for a third chance while still not fully acknowledging the extent of the issues that led to re-enactment of the TBAN in the first place. There are plenty of other topic areas for this editor to contribute to, and their editing history has made clear that no good comes of letting them edit in the ARBPIA arena. Grandpallama (talk) 17:33, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
I admit that I made a gross mistake in seeking punitive actions against two editors here, but I immediately changed course and cancelled my request to have sanctions imposed upon them. In spite of this idiosyncrasy of mine, most of my edits and contributions (including photographs) in the ARBPIA area have been mostly constructive and beneficial to our project. See, for example, Kafr 'Inan, Bayt Nattif, Jarash, Jerusalem, Solomon's Pools, Operation Ha-Har, Husan, al-Badhan, Az-Zakariyya, Sar'a, among others. Besides, one of the editors with whom I had a strong falling-out was also topic banned from the area shortly after me, but was allowed to return to edit three months later, as you can see here, s.v. Huldra. Nothwithstanding, after my own topic ban, the same editor and I have since maintained cordial communications, both, privately and publicly, which you can see here and here. If I fail again, may God forbid, I can always be blocked again. I am asking for the chance to improve our worthy encyclopedia.Davidbena (talk) 22:06, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
  1. Huldra's TBAN was an entirely different situation from your own.
  2. Bringing up someone else's TBAN has nothing to do with your own behavior and is, as far as I'm concerned, further evidence that your own TBAN is appropriate and that you haven't learned anything.
  3. Your TBAN was not just based on behavior, but on not listening to other editors and insisting on the insertion of problematic edits, which is something you refused to acknowledge then and are ignoring now. That's beyond disingenuous.
  4. Claims that you've learned your lesson sound pretty hollow, considering that's what you've said twice before. Grandpallama (talk) 15:16, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
That's untrue. Whatever edit was "problematic" was duly deleted by me. Moreover, I never said that I would not file a formal complaint against an editor, if I felt a special need to do so. It was only during this last complaint of mine that I came to regret having done so. Besides, Huldra and I are on good talking terms, something which you would not know about. I have even tried to photograph a place for her in Jerusalem's Old City (although I could not find the place) and this, mind you, after my topic ban.Davidbena (talk) 17:53, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
Huldra and I are on good talking terms, something which you would not know about. Funny, because Huldra explicitly states the opposite in this very thread. And you're still deep in IDHT land. Continuing to bludgeon everything I say isn't going to do much other than showcase to everyone who views this thread that nothing has changed since the imposition of the TBAN. Frankly, you were lucky you didn't get indeffed. I think I'm done responding here, because this needs other eyes. The fact no one else has commented at all doesn't bode well for the enthusiasm of taking up reconsideration of this ban. Grandpallama (talk) 01:32, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Neutral Sigh. I like Davidbena, I really do. For one thing, he actually reads, and look up sources. Alas, last time he was topic-banned I voted for lifting the topic ban, but within a few weeks we were.....not so friendly any more. Davidbena does great work on subjects associated with Yemenite Jews and various issues relating to Judaism. However, whenever he touch upon present-day, or more "modern" policy issues, he seem to become a bit ....."too engaged". Which is not a good thing in the Israel/Palestine area. This time I vote "neutral": I leave it to others to decide if he should be allowed to edit in the ARBPIA area again, Huldra (talk) 23:55, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Again, I have learnt my lesson well. I am asking for the opportunity to renew editing in this area, and I assure all administrators that I will act faithfully in my capacity as a contributing editor to help improve this venue. I remind my fellow co-editors here that, besides being a voice for balance and providing reliable, sourced material to help expand knowledge, the simple act of uploading an image / images to ARBPIA articles can serve as the inferface[1] between editors holding polar opposite views in the Arab-Israeli conflict area - as I did in the articles Dayr Aban (thought to be the biblical Eben-ezer), Khirbat al-Tannur, and Khirbet al-Deir - and helps us all to proceed from this common ground of virtual identification. Again, I will do my utmost best to work collaboratively with my fellow co-editors.


  1. ^ interface: something that enables separate and sometimes incompatible elements to coordinate or communicate.

Davidbena (talk) 16:56, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

This ban appeal has been open for six days and so far no admin has commented other than myself. Six months have passed since the community ban was imposed and this was a reasonable time to appeal. Still, there isn't much enthusiasm for doing anything now, so I suggest that Davidbena ask again in a further six months. The amount of conflict that can be seen at User talk:Davidbena suggests that something is not working well. EdJohnston (talk) 17:27, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
Ed, in all honesty, anyone looking objectively at my edits will quickly reach the conclusion that the good here outweighs the bad. As in all good families, there are occasional internal arguments, but we eventually overcome them and learn to work together.Davidbena (talk) 21:34, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
Here's my view. I'm not an admin, still I could have easily left a comment and who knows maybe it would have sparked some more discussion and of course sufficient commentary to judge consensus is all that really matters as this is a community topic ban and not a discretionary sanctions one. But ARBPIA is an area I actively avoid for personal reasons so I really have no idea about your editing without a fair amount of assessment and no one has has enough for me to easily begin. I did feel some sympathy for you hence why I've checked this a few times just to see if there was any real action. But as EdJohnston has said, no one has done so. Your current topic ban was instated 2 months after your previous one was lifted isn't a good sign. While you've waited the minimum 6 months, given the circumstances it may not be enough. Many editors may not feel there is enough to reject your request, but are also reluctant to give you another chance so soon given what happened last time. Also we are all volunteers and editors may not feel it's worth their time looking in to especially given the circumstances, as unfortunate as that is to you. Nil Einne (talk) 09:51, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
So, are you saying that people do not learn from their mistakes? We all make mistakes. BTW: My first topic ban was unanimously rescinded by the community, because, as I think, they saw that it had been wrongly imposed upon me, with a motley array of spurious charges. One person was angry at me for simply asking a fellow editor if she were of Arab descent, when God knows I meant no harm by the question, just as I would ask an editor with whom I was comfortable whether or not he or she were of Native American descent or of German descent. I even went so far as to clarify myself, going on to write that "there is nothing wrong with that." The same editor was, in fact, not an Arab, but a Norwegian. Sigh. You see, often people read into the comments what they want to read into them, when only we ourselves know what is truly in our minds and hearts.Davidbena (talk) 14:15, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
they saw that it had been wrongly imposed upon me, with a motley array of spurious charges This is a patently false representation of what the editors said when your first TBAN was lifted; not a single editor even hinted that the TBAN was anything other than merited [1]. And doubling down now on what you said then to earn the first TBAN shows you've never learned anything at all. Grandpallama (talk) 16:38, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but you are misrepresenting their plain and unequivocal words of adjudication. Have you forgotten the words: I have gone through David's edits (which took ages, he's remained quite active) and do not see any instances of his breaching the topic ban since this back at the end of August, which was only debatably a breach, etc.? Look again at their decision here to rescind my topic ban. Anyone who has followed this case may not know the import of the charges brought against me in that first topic ban, but anyone looking into them can see that my accusers had no single thing to say, but tried to dig-up many unrelated issues, such as my views on the Great Deluge, etc. In short, these were all spurious charges. My perception of those adjudicating this case was one that they, too, realised that these were spurious charges. If I'm wrong, please forgive me. This is my own personal view. Nonetheless, during that first topic ban, I humbled myself, accepted it and kept myself away from the ARBPIA area at their solemn request. I will do the same if once again banned from this topic area, but I am asking for a chance to improve our online encyclopedia and to offer whatever good academic sources I have to offer here, in this field, to the end that we might learn to truly accept each other in the symbiotic relation that we all have, whether we are Jews, Muslims or Christians living in Israel, or what others call Palestine.Davidbena (talk) 16:41, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

History merge needed[edit]

Would someone kindly do a history merge of Los Rios District into Los Rios Historic District? These were duplicative articles about the same subject. I've merged all the material from the former into the latter, but the histories need to be merged Thanks. Beyond My Ken (talk) 05:15, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

Nope, it's not needed here ... history merges are only for *strict* cut-and-paste moves where the entire content of one page has been moved by cut and paste to a second page, not page merges. Graham87 06:03, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
Please look again, a complete cut-and-paste move was made from Los Rios District to Los Rios Street Historic District, then, when I realized that the actual name of the district is "Los Rios Historic District" (i.e. no "Street"), I moved the resulting article to Los Rios Historic District. Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:37, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
Could you provide a diff showing this complete cut-and-paste move? I've searched the histories of both pages during the time they existed at the same time and I can find no such thing. The diff would appear something like this, but obviously not with those particular revisions. A diff showing a complete cut-and-paste move would show gvery little or no change. Graham87 05:54, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition.
Beyond My Ken (talk) 17:57, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
So the diff you get by combining the last version of "Los Rios District" and the first post-merge one of "Los Rios Historic District" is, as I thought, this one ... nope, no history merge needed, as it's a normal page merge. You can always ask at the actual place for these requests, but I'm pretty sure you'll get the same response. Graham87 06:33, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

I wonder if there's some confusion on the part of User:Beyond My Ken here.

AFAIK, when we talk about a cut and paste move, we mean that someone cut the entire content from one page and pasted it in another page with no real history. Either a redirect or one they just created. For example, if I decide that 2019 Cotabato earthquakes should be called 2019 Mindanao earthquakes, and cut all the content from the former page and paste it into the latter page while turning the former into a redirect to the latter, then this is a cut and paste move. If no one notices and immediately reverts, then we have a problem since editors are going to start editing the 2019 Mindanao earthquakes page. Edit history for this article will now be on two pages, 2019 Mindanao earthquakes and 2019 Cotabato earthquakes. This edit history needs to merged.

OTOH, if I create 2019 Mindanao earthquakes not realising that 2019 Cotabato earthquakes exists and edit it and some other editors find my article and also edit it. Meanwhile other editors continue to edit 2019 Cotabato earthquakes. Eventually someone notices and merges the content. Regardless of whether they cut and paste any of the content, this is still not a cut and paste move. It's a normal merge and does not need a history merge since it will create more confusion. Instead it just needs to be properly noted what happened (preferably in the edit history of both pages and via a template in both talk pages) per WP:Copying within Wikipedia to comply with the licence terms and for fairness to all contributors.

By the same token if I create an article 31 October 2019 Cotabato earthquake and me and a bunch of other editors expand it greatly. Meanwhile no one adds anything to the 2019 Cotabato earthquakes article about the 31 October. Eventually someone comes along and points out there's no need for the 31 October 2019 article, and all the content is cut and pasted verbatim into the 2019 Cotobato earthquakes article since there's nothing there on the part of the 31 October 2019 earthquake. Again, although the content was cut and pasted even completely cut and pasted, this is merge. It's not a cut and paste move. You could call it a cut and paste merge if you want although that risks causing unnecessary confusion IMO. Regardless, it does not need a history merge as again that just creates unnecessary confusion. Instead properly note what happened in each article. AFAIK even if there was zero change to the 2019 Cotabato earthquakes between the period the 31 October article was created until the content was merged, it still considered better not to perform a history merge. It will still confuse editors why the content on all the other earthquakes suddenly disappeared while the 31 October earthquake was worked on, then came back later.

Nil Einne (talk) 04:46, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Oh I should note that in some cases someone tries to revert a cut and paste move, but doesn't entirely succeed or maybe someone else partially reverts them. And now people are working on 2 different articles about the same thing but in this case, what started as one article with one edit history is now two articles on the same thing with 2 distinctive edit history from that point forth. In that case while it is a cut and paste move attempt, it can be complicated what to do. It depends a lot on how much editing there was in the interim in each article and admin discretion etc AFAIK. Nil Einne (talk) 04:54, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Editor with a COI states they will not "fill out your forms"[edit]

User talk:Königubu had not responded to requests at his talk page so I told him at Talk:CJ Hopkins that he needed to comply with WP:PAID. Their reply was "'.I have no interest in filling out your forms. I've made my "connection to the subject" clear, several times now, and have ceased adding factual information to the subject's page, as you requested. But go ahead and ban me if you want to prevent me from correcting misrepresentations of facts related to the subject on this talk page".[4] I can't see any other option but to block them, but to avoid them claiming I'm biased against Hopkins I think another Admin should decide whether to block. To clarify, this editor is acting on behalf of Hopkins, who has published an attack on editors editing his page. Doug Weller talk 17:31, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

If the connection is as clear as they state, then we can add in the COI/{{paid}}/{{connected contributor (paid)}} tags; all we need is a diff to point to as verification. I'm only about halfway through Talk:CJ Hopkins but it does appear that they at least recognize they have a COI and have stopped editing the article. Primefac (talk) 17:48, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
Well, technically, WP:PAID says, You must disclose... (my emphasis). Us adding a template to their user page is a accusation. What the TOU requires is a disclosure. Not the same thing. -- RoySmith (talk) 17:59, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
Right, if they have disclosed (whether using a template or not) then we should be satisfied. I didn't see them do that explicitly but I only did a quick search of the talk page linked above. My point was that if they have done a disclosure-without-template, then we can add in that template ("filling out the form" as they say) and link to the diff where they disclosed. Primefac (talk) 18:09, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
FWIW: this is the only diff I can find that comes close to acknowledging a conflict, but it doesn't say anything about paid editing, and the user is actually claiming to be an account run by more than one person. I sort of doubt that actually has one person, much less multiple paid staffers dedicated to supervising Wikipedia pages. Whatever the nature of the conflict is, the editor hasn't been forthright about it on Wikipedia yet. Nblund talk 18:12, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
Update: the editor has denied paid editing. Nblund talk 18:16, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
One can have a COI without being paid for it. Roy, would you consider the first diff Nblund gave as being enough for a {{connected contributor}} attribution? Primefac (talk) 18:17, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
I'm going to respectfully decline to answer that. I consider people using wikipedia to promote their commercial interests to be antithetical to our mission. As such, I don't think it's the place of volunteers to drag people, kicking and screaming, into compliance with our policies, so we can justify their continued abuse. -- RoySmith (talk) 18:44, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

─────────────── I've blocked them. The lack of disclosure is kind of beside the point, since they're a single-purpose account only here to disruptively 'patrol' the article on Hopkins' behalf, and they've had plenty of warnings. But for what it's worth this page (which Königubu linked to on Talk:CJ Hopkins) describes their "job title" as "in-house Wikipedia Liaison". If someone also wants to add some COI tags that's fine by me, but as Roy says, it's not our job to enable disruptive editors. – Joe (talk) 19:38, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Copyvios from Dutchy85[edit]

I just reverted this copyvio this user added to The Errol Flynn Theatre. This user has over 60,000 edits and has received many warnings for copyvios over the years, and received an indefinite block last year for copyvios. Despite being unblocked then, they seem to still not understand wikipedia's policy on copyright. I feel bad suggesting this, but I believe an ideffinte block is necessary and a contributor copyright investigation may have to be opened.💵Money💵emoji💵Talk💸Help out at CCI! 22:47, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

I have reviewed the copyvio edit, as well as some of this user's history, and decided to indef block Dutch85 to prevent further damage to the project. Discussion can (and probably should) continue here regarding what to do with this user long-term. It doesn't seem likely to me that they will ever stop adding copyrighted material to articles. (Also, WP:ANI might be a more appropriate venue for this discussion.) ‑Scottywong| [confer] || 01:45, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
I've also removed autopatrolled. Given their history, if they are unblocked, their edits will need to be check for copyright violations. — JJMC89(T·C) 04:15, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Endorse block per WP:IDHT and WP:CIR. User has been given ample opportunities to correct their behavior and has failed every single time. Enough is enough. -FASTILY 02:46, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Suspicious activity in this page[edit]

Wikipedia:Wikipedia Asian Month/2019/Participants

Hi, there are newly created accounts and IPs who are adding their names. I feel like they have ruined that page and I also feel that they are the same person. Please take a look at the history of that page and you will see how they have ruined the page.--SharabSalam (talk) 01:33, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

SharabSalam, diffs please - "look at the history" is too vague for action, and "ruined the page" is a pretty big claim. I see a handful of IP vandals blanking the page, but not much else. Also, what are you looking for? Page protection? Sockpuppet investigation? Something else? creffett (talk) 03:04, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
I am saying is that there are too many IPs and newly created accounts who are adding their names there.
Tarikelias (talk · contribs),
Argoclio (talk · contribs),
Gizemakpinarr (talk · contribs),
Sophiasleeping (talk · contribs) etc.
There are a lot of newly created accounts who are adding their names. Isn't that weird?. I said they ruined the page is because for example, the first editor in that list doesn't exist and he copied the signature style of the editor below him. I also feel it is highly likely that these newly created accounts belongs to one person. So I want an admin to see if they belong to one person and whether the activity there is normal or not.--SharabSalam (talk) 03:58, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
They could be classmates— Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 00:47, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Slow edit war and challenge to my posted warnings[edit]

Cresscoriander, a relatively new editor, posted this edit to The Teahouse, complaining about being reverted. I checked the editors contributions, and found that s/hen was in a slow edit war on Sustainable Australia with The Drover's Wife, an experienced editor.

I created Talk:Sustainable Australia#Edit war with this edit after doing some claenup on the talk page, restoring a comment improperly deleted. Cresscoriander has not posted since. The Drover's Wife reverted once more on the article, and posted to the talk page calling my intervention "not helpful". We had some back and forth, in which TDW said that my comments (including a mention of the possibility of a block for continued edit-warring was "disruptive" and nearly the same as doign paid editing myself.

I ask that one or more other admins review the situation and indicate if they think I am being heavy-handed or otherwise out of line. I think it is well known that I am not the quickest admin with the block button, but anyone can make a mistke, and perhaps I have. I will notify the editors mentioned promptly. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 03:37, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

We've had long-running problems for years with minor Australian political parties attempting to write their own articles. It's extremely frustrating for regular Wikipedians, because the people trying to do it are invariably more invested in "I want to promote myself" than we are with "actually, you shouldn't be trying to use Wikipedia to promote yourselves". It's disingenuously portrayed as edit warring, as if the person trying to do the self-promotion and the Wikipedian trying to get them not to have completely equally reasonable positions. I don't actually get anything out of trying to stop self-promotion besides a desire to try and keep the quality up on a broad topic I've spent thousands of hours working on. And this kind of attitude has consequences - we've suffered immense editor burnout in this general area, in no small part because these situations (of which we're up to at least twenty involving different parties over time) are so damn tiring to resolve - editors know that if they try to stop this stuff, the self-promoters won't stop, admins won't back them up and will just label it an edit war like it's a content dispute, and they'll get...what, for all their trouble? There is a direct connection between this kind of use of administrative tools and self-promotional editing being left untouched on a large scale. The Drover's Wife (talk) 03:55, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

@DESiegel: Hi DESiegel, in regards to the comment I deleted on the talk page, I did so because it was unsigned, and I thought it was politically charged and unhelpful. I have since read the talk page guidelines which (I think) you shared and I see that this is a grey area. Thats fine, no issue I'll leave it if thats what you think should be done. In regards to the "slow edit war" and TDW, I'm certainly not trying to engage in any sort of war, merely improve a page but obviously TDW has issues with what I have done. I'll address those issues on the Sustainable Australia talk page. Cresscoriander (talk) 04:16, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Cresscoriander do you understand that your repeated reverts ([5] [6]) on the article Sustainable Australia constituted edit warring, and were not justified, particularly when you mad no attempt to raise whatever you felt were the issues here on the article talk page? DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 06:22, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
DESiegel I am understanding the concept of edit warring more fully now. I just meant to convey that it was not my intent to engage in an edit war. I thought because I had provided a sensible rationale for my edits and that TDW had not provided any for her reversions that my behaviour was ok. I understand that the way forward is to engage in a discussion on the talk page to reach consensus and that's what I will do. TDW is alleging my edits to be COI and self promotion - I'm not sure where this is coming from. I believe my edits to adhere strongly to the NPOV principle. I would absolutely welcome further input from more experienced wikipedia editors on my edits, and TDW's reversions.Cresscoriander (talk) 23:34, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
Phrases like "website highlights" are not exactly neutral nor particularly relevant.©Geni (talk) 17:52, 12 November 2019 (UTC)


There is currently a backlog at WP:RFP/R, ten requests (including my own) there haven't received a response yet. I would very much appreciate it if any admin could take a look at this! TheAwesomeHwyh 04:22, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Now cleared by Beeblebrox and me, but please do not forget to check this page from time to time.--Ymblanter (talk) 08:28, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Amtrak Sunset Limited Sections Deleted[edit]

The Amtrak Sunset Limited sections dealing with railroad subdivisions and cities served were deleted without my knowledge or warning. What I wrote on the edit was factual based on several sources, that I did quote. I wrote these section yesterday Monday November 11, 2019, this is Tuesday November 12, 2019. The work I put nearly five hours in to assure accuracy was erased. This is censorship of someones work that actually cared about accuracy and factual information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ericabaker63 (talkcontribs) 12:09, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

The page in question appears to be Sunset Limited. This appears to be run of the mill editing stuff. I'd suggest you raise your concerns at Talk:Sunset Limited, and find a consensus. I'd also suggest that it's important to remember Wikipedia is a collaboratively written project, and engaging with hostility, accusing people of censorship, and the like, usually leads to poor outcomes. The edits remain in the history, so nothing has been "lost". WilyD 12:42, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Offensive edit summary by IP vandal[edit]

Can someone please delete this edit summary I found yesterday on the Rape (disambiguation) page, which is highly offensive and disturbing. It's strange (in my opinion) that the ClueBot did not come across this before. Thanks. CycloneYoris talk! 17:32, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Done. If you see more of this, let me know. Going by the logs, I've cleaned up after this vandal before. What a pain. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 18:01, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
Sure thing, thanks again! CycloneYoris talk! 18:09, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Bullying IP users[edit]

CentralTime301, a relatively experienced user started out by reverting this edit [7] saying its a joke edit. Even when evidence is provided for the name change by another IP, the user claims its "not true" without providing his/her own source to prove otherwise. Do not that the link provided is the official youtube page of iQiyi, the show's official streaming platform. This user is obviously over-stepping his rights as an editor (by trying to act like an admin) and bullying ip address users and threatening them with vandalism notices to scare them off. (talk) 17:36, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

No comment on the edits, but nothing CentralTime301 did was "trying to act like an admin" - they posted warning templates to a talk page, which is perfectly normal for non-admins. creffpublic a creffett franchise (talk to the boss) 19:46, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

What? I thought it was vandalism. Cheers! CentralTime301 17:37, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

IP address has been reporting me[edit]

An IP address has been reporting me just because I bullied an IP; I thought it was vandalism. Cheers! CentralTime301 17:39, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

User:CentralTime301 that edit that you reverted wasn't a joke edit at all. Looking at your talk page I see a prior run in with an IP specifically the note on your page entitled "Please, leave edits from this academic editor in place". That doesn't look promising, nor does the rest of your talk page. Necromonger...We keep what we kill 19:31, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
Readers of this page may want to pay particular attention to this edit. —C.Fred (talk) 20:15, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
Sequence of events:
  1. CentralTime301 reverted an IP's edit to Xu Kai thinking it to be vandalism, though it wasn't.
  2. A second IP happened to notice this action by CentralTime301 and reported them at WP:AIV for vandalism. This wasn't a correct report of vandalism and it was declined.
  3. Since the AIV report failed, the first IP came here to create a report called "Bullying IP users" which we are reading now. This complaint should also be declined.
  4. CentralTime301 went to WP:RFPP to ask for their user page to be protected, on the grounds they were about to switch to a new account. "I am going to move to a new account, because the CentralTime301 page is gonna be protected fully to prevent edits. Just so I can move to spicyeater2005." At first sight this might appear to be abuse of multiple accounts, but it's not. I recommend this complaint be closed with no action. I wish CentralTime301 good luck in their future career but they should be sure to ask experienced editors for advice whenever they are uncertain. EdJohnston (talk) 23:04, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
CT has put up a number of AfDs where WP:BEFORE wasn't done though (along with one blank nomination), and I warned them that continuing to do so would draw community scrutiny and distrust of future noms as a "boy crying wolf". This, along with the blanking of the CT user talk page (including my messages warning them to stop with time-wasting AfDs and a past message where they don't understand why we don't keep vandal contribs), seems to be a way to try to earn a 'clean slate' without having the record that deserves as such. There should be no clean start here. I do disagree with the OP in one way; CT is an inexperienced user who only came here in August and has been trying to do way too much and not doing a very good job of editing or patrolling. Nate (chatter) 01:52, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Psimonson's contributions[edit]

I need a second opinion on Special:Contributions/Psimonson regarding WP:No legal threats, WP:Paid-contribution disclosure and Wikipedia:Edit warring. I carefully avoided taking any content-editing or administrative action yet, but it may be reasonable to temporarily full-protect Psimonson's revision if the edit warring continues, unless consensus is reached for inclusion of the section. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 22:22, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

My reasoning for the reverts were due to the section blanking. There was no reason given until the most recent change at this time. TheEpTic (talk) 22:48, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
I had requested the above explanation in Special:Diff/925883067, but I'm uncomfortable with the result, as it does not seem to address my concerns in either revision (1, 2). I'll wait for someone else to look at this. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 22:59, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
I'm redoing my reasoning as I felt this wasn't enough to explain my side. At the time, I was handling a lot of vandalism and saw this section of information being removed (Lawsuits) and felt there was no reason considering the linked sources and no reason given by Psimonson. I didn't check the sources directly which I have should have, and will do in all my future reverts. I immediately stopped once they provided a reason in the summary. I'm not knowledged in this article so I feel like I have no say on the consensus of this article. I apologise if my actions got in the way or were wrong. TheEpTic (talk) 11:38, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

I am not involved in any court cases with this individual. Furthermore, this individual is a paid representative in the employ of the subject of the page.

I have mentioned lawsuits that have happened, and I have linked them to reputable, verifiable sources.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Writersupreme (talkcontribs) 23:26, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

I would fully protect the Dwight Schar article at the last version edited by Psimonson until a longer discussion can be held. At least the web site at looks questionable as a source in a BLP article. The contents of lawsuit pleadings doen't establish any facts for our purposes; they are only the allegations of the parties. We could quote court judgments if there were any. And since this is a high-profiile person there could be real press coverage elsewhere. EdJohnston (talk) 00:45, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
The article about Dwight Schar is now protected for two weeks for BLP reasons, leaving out the disputed section. I suggest that the material being reverted not be restored until agreement is reached about quality of sources. Anyone favoring the inclusion might post the issue at WP:RS/N or use some other method of getting agreement. EdJohnston (talk) 04:34, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Thank you all very much, I think this can be closed. If the edit warring itself continues, it can be reported at WP:ANEW; if Psimonson continues to edit without responding to the paid editing inquiry at User talk:Psimonson, I'll go from {{uw-paid2}} to {{uw-paid4}} and file a report at WP:COIN if necessary. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 14:55, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Duplicate articles[edit]

Block E (rocket) and Blok E appears to be duplicates; the former was created in 2007 and the latter just a few days ago. I thought newer of the two might be a candidate for speedy deletion per WP:A10, but it does appear to be a legitimate attempt at improvement. My guess is that the creator of the newer version (4throck) just did so it good faith either because they weren't aware of the other article or weren't sure how to WP:MOVE the page. Anyway, could an admin look at this and see if a WP:HISTMERGE should be done to combine the content from the newer version into the older version? -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:54, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

I've history merged the pages. — JJMC89(T·C) 06:33, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
Thank you JJMC89. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:10, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Rape (disambiguation)[edit]

Some of you are probably familiar with the person responsible for these (and other) edits. There's a range to be blocked, but there is way too much other, acceptable activity on it. I semi-protected; that's the only thing I can think of. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 03:39, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

It's been range blocked several times before. Materialscientist did a 3 month range blocked in May 2019. See (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log). NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 04:45, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
That was ugly. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:40, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
For the sake of one's sanity, it's probably best to avoid looking at revdeleted content. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 14:44, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
I haven't seen them in a while. I see they have found a few more people they dislike. I was getting a lot of it earlier but not on the English Wikipedia. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 15:23, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Finish up some page moves[edit]

I ran into an issue finishing an RM. I closed the RM at Portal:Contents as move and have moved almost all the subpages. Turns out a couple are fully move protected, so I need some help finishing up. Could an admin move the following pages into the Wikipedia: namespace?

Thanks. Wug·a·po·des​ 06:26, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

 Done. El_C 06:41, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Note that Portal:Contents is still not on the project namespace — may need a developer to help with a move of that scope. El_C 06:43, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Never mind JJMC89 got it. I just kept getting replication lag, but I guess there was a tech savvy way to get around that. El_C 07:04, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
JJMC89 was able to move it into projectspace. Turns out there's only ~1600 revisions. Also thanks for taking care of the talk page archives as well! Wug·a·po·des​ 07:03, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
Done with the cleanup of the moves to WikipediaContents/ (missing colon) too — JJMC89(T·C) 08:14, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
I knew this seemed to have gone too well. Thanks for doing that; I see from your contributions it was a fair bit of work cleaning up my mess, so I appreciate the help. It was my first time using the mass move script, and I didn't realize I had forgotten a colon on one of the runs. I'll look into modifying it so that problem doesn't happen again, but in the meantime I'll be more careful. Wug·a·po·des​ 08:31, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

unsourced Sireethorn Leearamwat[edit]

Content dispute. No admin attention needed. Please resolve this dispute calmly as described at WP:DR. Sandstein 18:46, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
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Migsmigss (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) try add unsourced details in Sireethorn Leearamwat as model, so she is just a phamarcist to joined beauty pageant for the frist time at Miss Thailand 2019 and then she representing Thailand at Miss International 2019 in Japan. she is not a model at all and all her interview with Thai press she is only phamarcist never work any job in entertainment before, YOU CAN CHECK ON ALL OF THAI PRESS, NO ONE SAID SHE IS A MODEL and on her profile and title at Miss International 2019 beauty pageant show that she is a phamarcist, if she is a model MIO will show a detail that she is model and phamarcist like other contestents that they are model. Anyway you can check on MI website, MI 2019 live show when they show the title for introduce and annourced Sireethorn on stage. and also can see in thai article, Miss Thailand official website and page.

can any admin checking this editor that alway try to add unsourced detail? so he is spainese and sont speak Thai, cant read Thai but the reason that he said from the Thai source he explain its not true, its just her swimwear photo set to send to MI 2019, the swimwear sponcered by Thai Princess brand, so she was wearing it for Preliminary and Final show. she didnt a model for shoot this swimwear lookbook collection for the brand that he try to say by Thai source that he cant read.

Someone added an english sourced already that Sireethorn is a phamarcist in the article but he still try to add a unsourced detail as a Model. and he removed a source that i add to confirm Sireethorn is a phamarcist.--Evrdkmkm (talk) 17:28, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

And he try to add that Sireethorn is Thailand's first big four international pageant winner since 1988, its wrong sentence i think. The Thailand's first big four international pageant winner should means Apasra Hongsakula at Miss Universe 1965 because Big 4 are Miss UniVerse, Miss World, Miss International and Miss Earth. so in the article have a detail already that Sireethorn is the first ever Miss International crown for Thailand, this is point. NOT Thailand's first big four international pageant winner since 1988 like he try so say. if he say like that its should means Thailand never crown the Big 4 Beauty Pageant before?.--Evrdkmkm (talk) 17:47, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Migsmigss: Hello, I was Tagged in this Report, so Below is my Response[edit]

Hello, this my reply on these accusations:

1. This editor, Evrdkmkm, has consistently vandalized articles with disruptive editing as evidenced here, here, here, here, here, here, and here, just as examples, deleting chunks of information, templates, and sources.

2. This editor, Evrdkmkm, also accused me of deleting their source here when in fact it's a result of their edit here. This accusation is uninformed, and a mistake committed by the editor himself/themselves, yet they place the blame on me? I hope the admins can look into this.

3. Some of this editor's edits are even a product of not reading thoroughly the edits of other contributors, for example, "she is not a Thailand's first Big Four international beauty pageants winner /the first is Apassara Hongsakula for Miss Universe"

4. If you look into this editor's contributions here, you would see that this editor's comments when editing or reverting edits are rather improper and devoid of civility. For example, to quote this editor verbatim:

"its funny that u are Spainish not Thai but can u understand what that aticle said? in the aticle talking about her for Miss Thailand and MI 2019 and swimwear sponsered by The Princess brand, and swimwear photo set in the article is a photo shoot for MI 2019 not a Lookbook for the brand and she is not a model for the brand. do u understand?"

"this is my talk page so i can remove anything in this talk page that i want" —This without trying to respectfully resolve the issues posted on their talk page by other editors

I was tagged in this report, so the above is my response. I hope the admins can look into this. I was planning on bringing this editor Evrdkmkm up myself here, but since they have opened this discussion, I have made my response.

I would like to seek disciplinary action on this user Evrdkmkm (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) —if this user merits a block, I will support it. I have tried to reason out with this user with respect, but this user has not engaged with me in a similar manner, as evidenced by the links I've given above, and this user's entire Edit History.


Migsmigss (talk) 18:08, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

@Migsmigss: so im not vandalism, i just removed unsourced and fake detail that u try to add in the article Sireethorn Leearamwat as a model. So Is it not true that u are Spainish and cant undertand Thai but u said a Thai source that u add for your unsourced detail said she is a model? ANYWAY YOUR THAI SOURCE DIDNT SAID THAT SORRY. AND ALL ENGLISH SOURCES IN THE ARTICLE NO ONE SIAD SHE IS A THAI MODEL AND PHAMARCIST, THEY SIAD SHE IS A FAMARCIST. AND HER INTRO TITLE IN MISS INTERNATION 2019 FINAL LIVE SHOW IS PHAMARCIST.--Evrdkmkm (talk)
Admin can check the right details on official MISS INTERNATIONAL 2019 FINAL LIVE SHOW at 2.03.07, 2.36.58, 2.54.41, 3.02.50, 3.40.15 : if contestants who are model they will give all details on her profile like Vietnam that she is Actress/Model/Singer, Venezuela Student/Model.--Evrdkmkm (talk) 18:21, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Unblock appeal by Wikibreaking[edit]

Wikibreaking (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log) is appealing the indefinite block which was placed in January 2016 for disruption and legal threats, and in 2019 changed due to sockpuppetry using Bearberserk. As the community endorsed this block, it should also discuss whether to unblock under the standard offer. Wikibreaking's appeal follows below. Seraphimblade Talk to me 20:26, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

I withdrew legal threat, and I was told to request for unblock 6 months after. It's been more than 6 months.

I was told to follow WP:OFFER and to appeal for unblock again in six months. It has been 6 months, so I am following up on my ban. Could you unblock my account please? I have 2 accounts. My first account was Wikibreaking which was blocked first. Then, a couple years later, I created my second account Bearberserk which was blocked because my first account wasn't unblocked before I created my second account. I am told that I should use only 1 account. If so, I would like to use my second account Bearberserk because I like that name better. Could you unblock my second account Bearberserk? As for my first account, you can remove it or whatever. Or you can unblock my first account Wikibreaking first then I will submit another appeal for my second account Bearberserk which I plan on using because I like that name better.

I wasn't planning on editing any article right away, but since I am told that I should plan to edit something if I want my account unblocked, I will edit the following 2 articles.

Hwando is the Korean version of Japanese Katana; this sword was the most common sword in Korea. This sword was not imported from Japan but from Guguryeo Dynasty's Hwandudaedo. According to 1451's Chosun Royal Journal's February 25th entry, there were 2 different types of Hwando: one with longer handle (2 Bbyeom/뼘) and one with shorter (1 Bbyeom/뼘 and 3 finger widths) handle. The one with shorter handle was used on horse while the one with longer handle was used off horse.

In 1940 the “Japanese American Courier” reported that “Marking its 34th anniversary the Tacoma (judo) dojo will hold its annual tournament Sunday afternoon at the Buddhist Church auditorium . . . Over 40 black belts are listed for action. An additional feature on the programme will be Masato Tamura’s ‘rock breaking’ demonstration via the ancient Japanese art of “kiai jutsu”. He will also oppose a quintet of picked black belts”. Tamura was a well known judoka who had got his third dan during Jigoro Kano’s visit to America in 1938. In none of these accounts, incidentally, is there any mention of karate.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikibreaking (talkcontribs)

  • These are past administrators' actions on Wikibreaking:
―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 21:04, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
Oppose Not seeing any indication that they understand why their behavior earned a block in the first place (or how they plan to change it), and I don't care for the entitled and argumentative attitude I see from their past contributions. Their habit of accusing other editors of lying doesn't help either. Also, I wasn't planning on editing any article right away...then why should we unban? A ban doesn't prevent you from reading Wikipedia. creffpublic a creffett franchise (talk to the boss) 20:43, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
Oppose although I'm willing to be convinced. They have not fully addressed the reason for their original block, and continued to file repeated UTRS requests subsequent to being told to wait 6 months per OFFER. The conversation at Bearberserk doesn't inspire confidence. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 20:53, 13 November 2019 (UTC) amended 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 21:04, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
Oppose As you see the past administrator's actions and his past edits, Wikibreaking's edits were disruptive and mostly WP:SYNTH. He is clearly WP:NOTHERE.―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 21:19, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose don't see any understanding of why the block was imposed. WP:OFFER doesn't mean that we will lift blocks if they are appealed after six months, just that we will consider an appeal after six months. You still have to convince people that you understand why the block was imposed, that it won't happen again, and that you will be constructive in future. It doesn't exactly look like Wikibreaking was being terribly constructive before the block either. The discussion at User talk:Bearberserk#Blocked (from April) is rather illuminating, we have two requests adamantly denying any sockpuppetry, before another two saying that the accounts might be the same user but they can't remember, before another one saying that they are definitely the same person and they'd like to use that one in future. Hut 8.5 07:57, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Request to create redirects[edit]

(non-admin closure) Redirects created. creffpublic a creffett franchise (talk to the boss) 13:37, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
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I've created Les Bicots-nègres, vos voisins. Could someone with admin perms create redirects from the various English-language translations of the title which can be found in Google Books: Arabs and Niggers, Your Neighbours, Niggers and Arabs, Your Neighbours, Arabs and Niggers, Your Neighbors, The Niggers Next Door, Your Neighbours the Niggers. Dsp13 (talk) 00:44, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Done. – Ammarpad (talk) 05:59, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

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wrong details in Sireethorn Leearamwat by Migsmigss (talk · contribs)[edit]

This still needs no admin attention. See the thread above. You must resolve content disagreements among interested editors through consensus. Sandstein 12:03, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
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Migsmigss (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) still didnt stop to try to add wrong details in Sireethorn Leearamwat as a model, so can Admin checking this editor?

anyway Admin can check the right details on Official Miss Internationa 2019 Final Live Show at 2.03.07, 2.36.58, 2.54.41, 3.02.50, 3.40.15 / if contestants who are model they will give all details on her profile like Vietnam that she is Actress/Model/Singer, Venezuela Student/Model.

Or can checking about her real carreer as Phamarcist not Phamacist and Model on Miss Thailand, Miss International Thailand and Miss International official websites and pages. Or her official Instagram @bintsireethorn.--Evrdkmkm (talk) 08:41, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

and can Admin protect Sireethorn page for a few day? thanks.--Evrdkmkm (talk) 08:43, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

This is an edit dispute between you and another editor. This is the wrong venue for this. Bring it up at the articles talk page. You wrote about the same situation here yesterday and was told this is not the place for this discussion. BabbaQ (talk) 08:50, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
@BabbaQ: so i just tell the Admin that he didnt stop to add the wrong details. this is not wrong if i want Admin checking about his edited and protect the article, so he also said the sources are from you too right? i also talk with him in talk page ok?.--Evrdkmkm (talk) 09:03, 14 November 2019 (UTC)


catflap08 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)

I have restored TPA for catflap08 to allow an appeal / unblock request, per UTRS appeal #27572. I suspect this is a doomed experiment in AGF. Guy (help!) 11:04, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

It appears that email and TPA were both revoked to stop him from harassing another user; you may want to give that other user a specific heads-up and let them know you've done so. They may have input, and they ALSO may want to know that the access has been restored so that they can report if the harassment starts anew. --Jayron32 19:52, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
Fair. Have left a note. Guy (help!) 19:42, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Can someone tell me if the content added in this hidden diff is still in Jagannath?[edit]

Great, that makes my job easier. Thanks @Xaosflux:! 💵Money💵emoji💵Talk💸Help out at CCI! 15:44, 14 November 2019 (UTC)(non-admin closure)
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Here. It's required for this CCI I'm working on. Thanks, 💵Money💵emoji💵Talk💸Help out at CCI! 15:05, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

@Money emoji: I'm not seeing any of that text in the current revision. — xaosflux Talk 15:26, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

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Block Elmaqah[edit]

Dealt with by ST47. -A lainsane (Channel 2) 06:31, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
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Elmaqah (talk · contribs)

Hi I want to an admin to block Elmaqah. It was an account that I created in my early days in Wikipedia, when I got signed off from Wikipedia (for an unknown reason) and I forgot my password, I created that account, I was not aware of sock policy and I didn’t use it wrongly. I made 8 edits with it and when I remembered my password I returned back to this account and I never made any edit using Elmaqah again.

Elmaqah's edits
  • 17 November 2018 (2 edits)
  • 18 November 2018 (1 edit)
  • 19 November 2018 (1 edit)
  • 21 November 2018 (1 edit)
  • 6 December  2018 (2 edits)
  • 7 December 2018 (1 edit)
6 days and 8 edits

During that time I was not able to login my account and my last edit there before I got signed off and I forgot my password was in 13 November 2018 and after I was able to login my account and I remembered my password I made an edit in 11 December 2018(check) since then I never made any edit using Elmaqah account. Also I wasn’t blocked that time.(check)

--SharabSalam (talk) 20:10, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
@SharabSalam: Can you log in to that account and add {{User alternative account|SharabSalam}} to its user page, in order to verify this request? ST47 (talk) 20:34, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
ST47, Done. I am not going to use Elmaqah again so I dont need it.--SharabSalam (talk) 20:41, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
And done. ST47 (talk) 20:43, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
Thanks!--SharabSalam (talk) 20:45, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

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Vandalism-only account[edit]

Sock Twister indeffed for vandalism by Hut 8.5 Nosebagbear (talk) 16:14, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
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This is in regards to User:Sock Twister. Doesn't seem to have made any constructive edits and has continued disruption in spite of a previous warning.
Alivardi (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:24, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

  • Blocked. For future reference you can report users who should be blocked for vandalism to WP:AIV. Hut 8.5 21:31, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

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Draft:William Oliver (artist, born 1823)[edit]

Would an admin mind taking a look at this? It looks like it started out as a draft for John James Wilson and when that article was created, the draft was blanked and replaced with new content about a different subject. Seems like this process has been repeated multiple times I understand this is fine to do for a user sandbox, but not sure if the same should be done for things in the draft namespace. My understanding has always been that that when a draft is moved to the mainspace, the page history shouldn’t end up split between multiple subjects. For reference, I came across this at WP:THQ#Changing drafts which seems to be a question about a copy and paste move. — Marchjuly (talk) 15:39, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

Harsh block by Berean Hunter[edit]

Berean Hunter has just blocked Giano for 72 hours for making this innocuous comment on a talk page where Giano is entitled be. Sledgehammer, nut, bearing in mind this is the first such warning Giano has had from this admin. I see nothing "disruptive" or "harassing" in what Giano has said. Moreover, BH uses in his edit summary "deny", which presumably links to WP:DENY, an essay about trolls and vandals. This ad hominem is neither fair nor accurate in this context. Berean Hunter should really practice what he preaches. Thoughts please. CassiantoTalk 21:19, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

  • It's not about one edit but a pattern including this pointy type of edit that he repeated. One should look back over a few days to see he has been disruptive and harassing particularly since the 13th.
     — Berean Hunter (talk) 21:34, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
  • (edit conflict) If Giano wants to appeal his block, he knows how. We don't need third-parties coming to noticeboards to complain. In addition, it's not clear that Giano was blocked for the one comment you highlight above (which is not "innocuous"), although I have no way of knowing if it was the trigger. BH said on Giano's Talk page "Giano, your editing has been disruptive and your harassment isn't going to be tolerated. I've blocked you for 72 hours. Please do not repeat this. If you want to edit then please stick to articles." That shows a pattern of harassment, not a single event. Finally, I endorse the block. Giano has been behaving badly for a while now.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:39, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
    • Of course you support it, I wouldn't think you were capable of anything else. Third parties? Oh, this is a closed shop is it? Only admins welcome, or their sycophants. This place is rotten. CassiantoTalk 21:53, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Can we have Eric back and lose Giano? Go on Giano, throw yourself on a grenade. It would support all those "For Great Wiki" claims you've been making. Andy Dingley (talk) 21:37, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
  • A warning (if necessary) would've sufficed, IMHO. GoodDay (talk) 21:39, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
    • They've had no shortage of warnings over the past few days. They evidently didn't work. Thryduulf (talk) 21:40, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Giano was given as friendly a warning as possible by Bishonen when she unblocked him. He ignored it. If he's going to ignore advice from Bishonen, with whom he's been wiki-friends since before I had a registered account, I don't see why further warnings would have made any difference whatsoever. Vanamonde (Talk) 21:47, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
  • I agree with Vanamonde and Thryduulf. There aren't many people Giano's going to listen to; for most users "warning" him is counterproductive, at best (I fall into that category). If he's not listening to warnings from Bish then there's nothing for it. Mackensen (talk) 21:50, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Is this starting to be a pattern with things like this? PackMecEng (talk) 22:00, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
    • I'm sorry, I don't get it. So because I've legitimately posted on two drama boards on a subject you disagree with, it's now a pattern? CassiantoTalk 22:10, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
      • It illustrated you have a habit of trying to help and it blowing up in your face. Like it did with that link I gave. I'm sorry if I was unclear. PackMecEng (talk) 22:18, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
        • And I'm sorry if I embarrassed you for asking you to make a bit more sense, but it appears you can't even do that as "illustrated" by your failure to do it for a second time. CassiantoTalk 22:24, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
          • Cool story, bro? I suppose what is obvious to most is not so obvious to some. I will have to keep that in mind when we talk in the future, i need to keep it painfully simple. PackMecEng (talk) 22:31, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
            • I'm not your "bro" and I have no desire whatsoever to talk to you in the future. You can keep that in mind, too. CassiantoTalk 22:45, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
  • I was about to block them myself after this series of edits (not just the one today, but also messages to individual arbs yesterday? or was it before yesterday). This is a typical Reichstag Spiderman behavior.--Ymblanter (talk) 22:02, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Endorse block This is pure vandalism. If we don't block for that, then we might as well pack up and go home. --Rschen7754 22:13, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
    • Now there's a pleasant thought. CassiantoTalk 22:18, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
  • I endorse the block too, though I have no desire to take "sides" about it. It's one thing to make the point once or twice. But to keep doing it over and over is like shouting louder and louder at people who heard it the first time and simply disagree. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:36, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Endorse block. Obviously. WaltCip (talk) 22:43, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
  • The origins of The Blocking Of Giano are lost in the mists of time, but its familiar ritual of the block, the unblock, the endless noticeboard discussions and the final mock pitched battle between the contentists and the administrati are a delight to tourists and an inspiration to writers of Wikipedia essays everywhere. Guy (help!) 23:05, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Support indef. Honestly, this is getting old. I stayed quiet with the "compromised account" episode because I figured we'd get at least a week of no disruption. He seems to be (judging by his block logs) rather incapable of following even the most rudimentary of our conduct policies. He's been given his chances to change, and he has only gotten worse with straight vandalism per WP:POINT. (Non-administrator comment)MJLTalk 23:36, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

ACE2019 Electoral Roll[edit]

Hello everyone, to meet the new WP:ACE2019 voter eligibility requirements, we had to generate the electoral roll using a different process this year. All initial spot checks have been fine, but I would like to invite anyone to review the list here and if you see any issues to quickly raise them at Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2019/Coordination. I've heard that ("given enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow") - thank you, — xaosflux Talk 22:49, 16 November 2019 (UTC)