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User:138.246.7.119 reported by User:Ideogram (Result:)[edit]

Three revert rule violation on Russo-Turkish War, 1877–1878 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). 138.246.7.119 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log) Ideogram (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log) :

  • Previous version reverted to: [1]
  • 1st revert: [2]
  • 2nd revert: [3]
  • 3rd revert: [4]
  • 4th revert: [5]

Three revert rule warning diff from before this report was filed here (if applicable) :

Time report made: 00:43, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

You both seem to have broken 3rr. 12h each. William M. Connolley 07:34, 11 July 2006 (UTC). My mistake - Ideogram far anough out of 24h to be unblocked William M. Connolley 08:33, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

User:68.19.231.39 reported by User:SDC 02:19, 11 July 2006 (UTC) (Result: 24h)[edit]

Three revert rule violation on Sprint Nextel (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). 68.19.231.39 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log):

  • Previous version reverted to, if applicable: VersionTime
  • 1st revert: [6]
  • 2nd revert: [7]
  • 3rd revert: [8]
  • 4th revert: [9]

Time report made: 02:19, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Comments:

I didn't write the material in question, but I saw that the anonymous user announced that he/she would delete it every day. I've been restoring what has been deleted, but this is going on forever. The information checks out to be valid. The anonymous user has never contributed to Wikipedia before today.

The info is not vaild:

The info is not vaild. It is a step by step list of how to steal a Sprint customers account info. There is no point to is being listed, other then out of spite. Because this web site can't be a place to list every single problem, every carrer makes. but no one is listing problems made by other carriers, just this one. Someone listed the issue was corrected, so what other point in there for this topic?

If you are going to post this type of info, then do it for every single carrier, every single time the problem occurs. But listing a web site showing how to go about stealing personal info is crazy and mean.

68.19.231.39 02:50, 11 July 2006 (UTC)Joliee

Wikipedia is not censored. Stifle (talk) 10:58, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

24h William M. Connolley 07:29, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Also if you notice, this user is the same user as CDMACORE if you check the contrib's and IP addresses and harasses everyone.

User:Stanley011 reported by User:Sysrpl (Result: 24h)[edit]

Three revert rule violation on Bill O'Reilly controversies (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Stanley011 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log):

Time report made: 07:25, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Comments:

I didn't write the all of material being reverted, but you can reference the talk here from section the "Off-topic and Superfluous Injections" all the way down where examples of Stanley011 abuse is chronicled. Multiple users have pointed out he unsuccessfully nominated the article in question article for deletion, had his account briefly suspended before for the same kind of 3RR reverts violations on that page, and is now attempting to poison the well with his fast edits and reversions.

This is an ongoing problem with user Stanley011. Five other users on that page had added to the discussion asking him to stop to no avail. In my opinion his comments have been disingenuous and sometimes evasive. When pressed he ends the conversations by chaning the subject thusly, "your refusal to respond to my arguments means you have conceded the points".

The contributors on that page don't have time to play Sherlock Holmes with all his edits. If at all possible, could Stanley011's account be suspended from editing that article or locked out from it permanently?

  • Stanley011 has been blocked for 24 hours. I have no discretion to ban him from the article. User:Damburger also violated 3RR in there and is blocked too. Stifle (talk) 10:56, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

User:RolandR reported by User:Zeq (Result: 3h)[edit]

Three revert rule violation on Arab_citizens_of_Israel (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). RolandR (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log):

Prior version reverted to : [17] (by the first two reverts only - after that partial reverts to edits in the same version).

  • 3rd revert 11:01, 11 July 2006 – removing of a sentence starting with "made more complex by ..." - that was recently added (and thus this is a revert): [20]
  • 4th revert: 11:32, 11 July 2006 – partial revert, restoring one sentence (the one starting with: "illegally annexed by Israel in 1980 ..."), which was part of the section that was re-added in the 1st and 2nd reverts.

Time report made: 12:19, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Reported by: Zeq

Come on, you've seen enough 3RR, you can put together a proper report William M. Connolley 15:30, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
It is a propre report . It identify 4 reverts very clearly. Zeq 18:36, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
3RR are timely issues - is anyone going to review this ? Tnx.

Have you spotted whats missing yet? William M. Connolley 20:11, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Connolley : No. I don't get your [[WP:Point|POINT] although you surly have an intersting way of trying to make it. Enlight me please. Zeq 03:19, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
To any admin reading this: If something is missing in this report please let me know. This report requires a decision. Zeq 06:01, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

You forgot to fill in the article name. Anyway, 3h for a first offence William M. Connolley 07:33, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

User:JIP reported by User:BoojiBoy (Result: Rejected)[edit]

Three revert rule violation on 2002 NHL Entry Draft (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). JIP (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log):

18:05, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Sequential edits uninterrupted by other users should be counted as one revert, not several. Homey 19:18, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

User:Brian@popflux.com reported by User:131.107.0.103 22:43, 11 July 2006 (UTC)[edit]

Three revert rule violation on Thomas Kean Jr. (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Brian@popflux.com (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log):

Time report made: 131.107.0.103 22:43, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Comments: Repeatedly asked Brian@popflux.com to cite a source other than original research. User has threatened to report me if I revert his changes again.

This is a case of Wiki Stalking. Anon does not like my edits at the Duke University lacrosse team scandal page, and is following my edits on to other articles to register their displeasure. The data Anon claims is WP:OR is Census data. Census data is not OR. This is a frivolous claim by an anonymous stalker. This is not the first time [29] Anon has targeted me. Abe Froman 22:46, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
This is not a case of Wiki Stalking. 131.107.0.103 is shared by 25,000 employees of Microsoft. I have tried to discuss this with Brian@popflux.com on his user talk page, as well as the talk page of Thomas Kean Jr. Brian@popflux.com does not wish to have a discussion, and wants to make paranoid claims of stalking.

User:WikiRoo reported by User:AbsolutDan (Result:48 hours)[edit]

Three revert rule violation on Susan Fennell (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). WikiRoo (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log):

Three revert rule warning diff from before this report was filed here (if applicable) :


Time report made: 00:32, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Comments: User has violated 3RR several times already under both his previous username User:WikiDoo and IP User:216.154.134.91 and been warned for it on both. Admission by user that he is also WikiDoo: [31], and clear evidence that he did see the warning on his previous username (as he posted many times beneath it before switching his username): User talk:WikiDoo#3RR. See also previous (currently unresolved) 3RR report under WikiDoo: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RR#User:WikiDoo reported by User:AbsolutDan (Result:) --AbsolutDan (talk) 00:32, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Blocked for 48 hours for the 3rr violation and personal attacks Jaranda wat's sup 01:41, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

User:CAYA reported by User:ChrisB (Result:24 hours)[edit]

Three revert rule violation on Foo_Fighters (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). CAYA (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log):

Edit at 04:26 to add:

Three revert rule warning diff from before this report was filed here (if applicable) :

Time report made: 02:58, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Comments:

  • Same behavior as a few days ago. User:CAYA continues to remove the same patch of text, which is sourced from a hard copy of a magazine. He believes that since he cannot see the source for himself, it cannot be used. He refuses to discuss any other option, and simply removes the text, despite a lengthy discussion and (apparent) consensus that the cite is appropriate. (He was given a 24-hour block for 3RR this past Sunday.) -- ChrisB 02:58, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
  • 24 hours and if CAYA blanks any warnings, let me know and I will extend the block. Jaranda wat's sup 05:28, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

User:The Ungovernable Force reported by User:Drowner (Result:22 hours and indef)[edit]

Three revert rule violation on Anarchism in the United States (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). The Ungovernable Force (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log):



Time report made: 03:13, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Comments: There are more than this as can be seen: [33] He keeps calling me a "banned user" and "sock puppet" and harrassing me and deleting everything thing I write. Drowner 03:13, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

I keep calling you a banned user because you are! You're not fooling anyone Hogeye. This is the second report you have filed against me, do you think this one will work? The Ungovernable Force 03:24, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Look I don't know who you are but you need to stop harrassing me and deleting everything I write. If this is your way of trying to get an article how you would like it is is dishonest.

Blocked both for being disruptive so-and-sos, edit warring over trivia. --Tony Sidaway 03:33, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

User:Truthwanted reported by User:Agathoclea (Result: 24h)[edit]

Three revert rule violation on Persecution of Jehovah's Witnesses (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Truthwanted (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log):

previous bans:


Time report made: 13:00, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

24h William M. Connolley 15:28, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Agathoclea 20:20, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

User:58.178.15.253 reported by User:Panairjdde (Result:)[edit]

Three revert rule violation on Italy national football team (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). 58.178.15.253 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log):

15:32, 12 July 2006]


Time report made: 13:47, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Comments: He is aware of what he is doing. Possibly same as 58.178.15.253, who appeared at the same time as 58.178.15.253, and wrote "Panairjidde, fuck off you Italian. It's time to invade Italy's page I think" ([36]). He also reverted 8 times Guus Hiddink, as well as personal attacks at Talk:Italy national football team and User_talk:Panairjdde (Panairjdde 14:00, 12 July 2006 (UTC))

User:68.69.194.125 reported by User:Crossmr (Result:)[edit]

Three revert rule violation on Furry_fandom (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). 68.69.194.125 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log):

Time report made: 13:50, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Comments: As I was blocked for 12 hours for this edit war, policy "In the cases where multiple parties violate the rule, administrators should treat all sides equally". User:ESkog has left him a warning, but that does not satisfy the policy.

As I explained to you, it is not our practice to block users who were unaware they were breaking a rule. All parties were treated equally, as you had already neared a 3RR violation on another page and thus you were pointed to the fact that the rule existed. Equality of treatment does not necessarily mean equality of block duration. (ESkog)(Talk) 13:55, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
I wouldn't exactly call you a neutral party in anything involving me for the next little while. I had to make the point several times and ask several times to even get you to address it. In addition if you view the user page, in the incidents surrounding that, the user also engaged in numerous personal attacks, which btw has been sitting on the personal attack noticeboard since yesterday morning, and has certainly been engaging in disruptive behaviour.--Crossmr 14:00, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

User:Handface reported by User:Allen3 (Result:Blocked for other activities)[edit]

Three revert rule violation on Rush_Limbaugh (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Handface (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log):

Time report made: 17:28, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Comments: User:Handface has since been blocked for activities unrelated to the reported 3RR violation.[37] --Allen3 talk 17:45, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

User:Mousescribe reported by User:Ardenn (Result:)[edit]

Three revert rule violation on Freemasonry (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Mousescribe (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log):

Three revert rule warning diff from before this report was filed here (if applicable) :


Time report made: 20:17, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Comments:

  • He continues, even now, to violate 3RR. Ardenn 00:24, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

User:Tazmaniacs reported by User:Intangible (Result:No block, page protected)[edit]

Three revert rule violation on Front National (France) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Tazmaniacs (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log):

Time report made: 20:35, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Comments:

  • There is already a talk page discussion going which tries to define the introduction of this article. Instead of engaging in the discussion, User:Tazmaniacs simply inserts what he/she thinks to be the correct introduction, instead of waiting for a consensus to be made at the talk page. Intangible 20:35, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Looks like he stopped after the warning you gave him, no block for now and I'll protect the page. Jaranda wat's sup 21:40, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
I did not give him a warning. His last edit was his 4th revert, a 3RR rule violation. He was already familiar with the 3RR rule [46] Intangible 21:51, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Page is already protected, just talk this out in the article talk page, as you were very close to 3rr as well Jaranda wat's sup 22:00, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
OK. Sounds reasonable. Intangible 22:08, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

User:Colonel Angus reported by User:—xyzzyn (Result:24 hours)[edit]

Three revert rule violation on List of Internet phenomena (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Colonel_Angus (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log):


Three revert rule warning diff from before this report was filed here (if applicable) :


Time report made: 21:37, 12 July 2006 (UTC)


Comments:

24 hours for the 3rr and personal attacks Jaranda wat's sup 21:49, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

User:Francespeabody reported by User:Isopropyl (Result:72 hours)[edit]

Three revert rule violation on Condoleezza Rice (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Francespeabody (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log):

Note: There are several more reverts in the past 24 hours.

Three revert rule warning diff from before this report was filed here (if applicable) :


Time report made: 03:02, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Comments:

  • As of 03:04, 13 July 2006 (UTC), user is continuing to revert
  • Possible socking, may evade via 24.215.230.63 (talk · contribs) who is also in revert trouble
  • Admin - 72 hrs. 6 reverts is a massive amount.Blnguyen | rant-line 03:14, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

User:Maximus_Meridius reported by User:Schmoul Aschkenazi 12:13, 13 July 2006 (UTC) (Result: 24h)[edit]

Three revert rule violation on FightDemBack (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Maximus_Meridius (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log):

Three revert rule warning diff from before this report was filed here (if applicable) :


Time report made: 12:13, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Comments:

"prev version" omitted (sigh... will they never learn?). However, with BS's edit that really is 4R, so MM can have 24h for using socks and I'll indef BS William M. Connolley 18:49, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry about omission of the previous version. I'll see to getting the format correct in future. However, as I am not a long experienced Wikipedian, it's unfair to characterise me as someone who can't learn. Thanks for acting on this matter nonetheless. Problem solved, if but for now. Schmoul Aschkenazi 23:54, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

User:Greier reported by User:Tēlex (Result:)[edit]

Three revert rule violation on Minority groups in Greece (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Greier (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log):

Three revert rule warning diff from before this report was filed here (if applicable):

  • Has been blocked many many times before - not needed.

Time report made: 21:21, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Comments:

  • User was revert warring against many users. Also look at this of the above reverts. He reverts to an unreferenced version, and has a personal attack in the edit summary. Also, if you want to be sure they are four reverts, check the four "proof" diffs. --Tēlex 21:21, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
BE BOLD IN UPDATING!!! That is Wikipedia policy. Those are different edits, not 3RR. greier 21:24, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
  • What are you talking about - they are four pure reverts; check the four "proof" diffs, which show pure reverts to a previous revision. They are only reverts to different versions, but that is not a requirement (according to William M. Connoley at least). --Tēlex 21:26, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Honestly, I don`t know how 3RR works exactly. That`s why I`ve been blocked several times before. But what I know is that neither the left panel, nor the right panel from all of those links are identical. So not only that I did not revert to my version, I also did not revert to a previous version. 21:30, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Greir, revert yourself, and stop edit warring. You just got back from a one week block. Jkelly 21:32, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

User:JzG reported by User:Socafan (Result:No violation)[edit]

Three revert rule violation on Lance_Armstrong (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). JzG (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log):

Time report made: 11:31, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Comments: Deletes factual information, refuses to use talk, threatened to block me, made unfounded allegations and uses "spelling" pretexts. Socafan 11:31, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Routine rouge admin abuse. User is adding problematic statements about a living individual which are stated in non-neutral terms. User has been told to take it to Talk and has revert warred instead. Note that third revert is different content. User has now taken this to Talk. Just zis Guy you know? 11:39, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Admin added racism to 3RR and blocked another user while in a conflict of interest. Socafan 11:43, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

User:ThePromenader reported by User:Hardouin (Result:8 hours each)[edit]

Three revert rule violation on Paris (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). ThePromenader (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log): Hardouin (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)

Time report made: 11:42, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Comments: This user reverted four times some references concerning Paris education figures without waiting for discussion on the talk page to be carried through. This user has a past record of page appropriation and hot-temper at the Paris article. He recently reverted User:86.71.38.247, who had added a reference to the Paris Club, simply because (I quote ThePromenader) "I couldn't find what "Club de Paris" was exactly, or what informative value it has " ([49]). Frequent reverts and page appropriation contribute negatively to the editing atmosphere of the article. Hardouin 11:42, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

  • Not sure what to do here. Promenader seems to be a generally good editor, and no warning was issued. The "reference" indicates a novel synthesis was being promoted. I'm inclined to leave a message and let be, unless there is evidence of a problem in urgent need of fixing. Just zis Guy you know? 11:49, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi - and thanks for your heads-up. I was stuck between a few situations here - even though the doubt over the who did what was next to nil for me, perhaps I should have thought of the doubt others would have in looking at the situation from an objective point of view. This concerns only the reverts to the "education" section - I frankly don't know what "Paris club" has to do with this as it's still there (but still unreferenced). I think the sock-puppetry here is pretty obvious, but I wasn't sure what to do in this sort of situation - open a WP:RfC and a WP:3RR against the presumed puppet? This would take ages, and frankly all this wasn't worth a correction to an obvious mistake that would take only a few keystrokes to fix by a willing editor. Anyhow I leave myself to your judgement of the matter. THEPROMENADER 12:12, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Promenader a "good editor"? You must not be aware of the frequent wars started by this user in the previous months. The guy is arguing personal opinions about Paris against User:Metropolitan, User:Pedro carras, and I, not to mention those that I forget now. He frequently engages in edits wars and write inflamed messages, always hiding behind supposed references in his favor (odd that three other users would get it wrong, and he alone would get it right). You can find examples of what I say at Talk:Île-de-France and Talk:List of tallest structures in Paris. The guy has threatened to move List of tallest structures in Paris to "List of tallest structures in the Paris region" over the course of this week-end ([50] & [51]), despite having consensus against him on the talk page. Hardouin 12:14, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Hello again, Hardouin. Let's not turn this into a circus. Referenced fact is not "personal opinions", and let me remind you that, without a single exception, it is you who have reverted any article change in favour of your own unreferenceable propos, and it is this that begins edit wars. If your contributions were indeed geared to fact, then you would have ample references to provide and no-one could find any fault. To date there is but one contributor (sharing a remarkable similarities in editing habits and opinions to yourself) doing the same - and the other contributor, created only to edit the Paris article it seems, no longer exists. Yet all of this is irrelevent, as the only thing that matters here is the verifiability of our work, and one cannot build consensus on a lack of this. Again I don't see what this has to do with any WP:3RR rule. THEPROMENADER 12:45, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
User:ThePromenader is an awarded editor. Edit wars ThePromenader has participated in have solely included yourself on recuring topics of which ThePromenader has attached sources or remove content without. Several messages have been left on Usertalk:ThePromenader by yourself with questionable vocabulary. this is already the third presence of Hardouin on this 3RR page in the past few months for similar reasons. I would do as I suggested and from both parts: let it go and chill. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 12:47, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Captain Scarlet, there's a clear rule that says that one user shall not revert more than three times in 24 hours. Promenader reverted 4 times in the space of 6 hours and 40 minutes. That's a clear case of breaking the 3RR. The fact that Promenader is an "awarded editor" (awarded by you, by the way...) is totally irrelevant, unless we consider that some people on Wikipedia have privileges and can break the 3RR without consequences. Hardouin 13:05, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
ThePromenader is awarded by a little more than just myself, I believe there are a total of three up to this date. The conversation has moved forward of the standard breaking of the 3RR which is all in good unless other editors force others to come to those decisions which what I have contributed above. The participation of ThePromenader to this 3RR war is with you and this case is not a 100% ThePromenader affair. This referal is not about me, but about you, Hardouin, and ThePromenader, please do not involve me in your arguying, I have contributed here to bring facts, not petty comments. There was no comment made by myself disengaging ThePromenader from his breaking of the 3RR but a contribution on the reasons. Take note of my very last comment and enjoy the Friday afternoon and calm down. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 13:20, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
ThePromenader is also engaged in an edit war with User:Metropolitan in case you forgot, so this is certainly not just about Promenader and I. Besides, you can't be expected to be neutral here, given your own involvement in edits wars with user Metropolitan. Maybe you want me to refresh your memory and let the rest of people know? Hardouin 13:25, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
I'd be glad to remind you of your involvement in the incident you started and mentionned above, quite befiting. And indeed I am neutral in this since I have in no way participated in this incident and am a spectator of both your and ThePromenader's actions. You will find it benefitial to understand I am not throwing the first stone nor am I directing the fault to you alone, as stated twice, above. Rather than returning comments to myself, you would to review your participation in this and understand the results of nominating someone in an incident you participate in as I have, I believe not participated in it. you may once again make sure you read my entire contributions and not focus on ths one sentence alone and calm down, this is not an inquisition.
thanks to another editor, ThePromenader was lately warned and you should have indeed followed procedure and If you report a 3RR violation here it is good form to inform the person you are reporting of this on their talk page and provide a link to this page WP:AN/3RR. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 13:50, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

This has become a circus. What I find most odd about this is that the point being skipped: How can one anon contributor find one page in all of Wiki where there has occurred one edit war over one reference and one word of text, and make only one edit, being to once again replace that very same reverted-to error exactly how it was written/reverted already thrice before? Even the argument of one looking at the "recent changes" list doesn't hold up, as the anon revert occured three hours after the final and third revert. I understand that I should not have crossed the line, but how can one ever hope to edit decently in face of a use of such tactics, and especially when these are unhesitatingly used in defense of an error clearly exposed as such many times and many days previously? I would be willing to undergo any sort of reprimandation at all just to quickly give this situation the attention it deserves. THEPROMENADER 13:40, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

One final note: I neglected to argue for the validity of my edit-war reverts, an element that did figure in my final decision. User:Hardouin, after being shown his error a week earlier, pounced from silence to reinstate his irrelevent references almost exactly as they were before. The problem with these: they were a link to statistics taken from one area indicated as a reference for text speaking of another. This was so unargueably false that I considered reverting to these as a sort of vandalism. Not only was reverting brandished as a means to enforce an inventive propos, but the propos has et been answered by any argument factual - nor can it be. But I can let you be the judge of this yourselves. Sorry for taking even more of your time. THEPROMENADER 14:20, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

OK... so... TP has clearly broken 3RR. Arguably the edit he was reverting was a bad one (I think so) but its not 3RR immune. As it says... if the edit is so bad, wait, and someone else will revert it. However, as TP points out, the anon is almost without a doubt a sock of H, who has thus broken 3RR too. So... 8h each William M. Connolley 16:11, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure a block is required in order to prevent TP from repeating the edit. It is without question required to stop H from reinserting this questionable reference. Just zis Guy you know? 18:13, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
I'm sympathetic to TP, but I don't think its right not to block just cos I agree with TPs edit William M. Connolley 20
23, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Hagiographer (talk · contribs)[edit]

Edition reverted to [52]

1st revert [53]

2 revert [54]

3 revert [55].

This sockpuppet of Zapatancas (talk · contribs) has also bveen removing my comments from my talk page [56] and [57] and [58], SqueakBox 12:50, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Where is the 4th revert? And please fill out the form correctly. - FrancisTyers · 16:24, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

User:Ptmccain reported by Doright:Doright (Result:48 hours)[edit]

Three revert rule violation on Martin_Luther (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Ptmccain (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log):

Time report made: 16:21, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Comments:

Immediately upon expiration of his 7 day block, Ptmccain continues edit warring on the same article. The 3rd and 5th reverts are identical to his July 6, 2006 reverts for which he was blocked, for example see here. Edits 1 and 2 are readily observed as reversions by noting the reversions to the title of the section, "Luther and Antisemitism." Edit 4 is a revert that one senior editor identifies as "link that ptmccain broke deliberately."

I'm not sure that is a 3RR, I see a maximum of two identical reverts, twice. Could you elaborate? - FrancisTyers · 16:29, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Please tell me which two that you see? Then I'll know which other three need elaboration. BTW, I believe that reverts are reverts whether identical or not. So I'm not sure what it is that you don't see. For example, what should I provide for you to see that he reverted the section title twice, the link once and the "doctrine of sola fide" sentence twice, for a total of five reverts? --Doright 16:42, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
FrancisTyers, since you have not answered the above question, I reread your comment. You say you see "two identical reverts, twice." Since "twice" mutiplies "two identical reverts" by a factor of two, according to you there are at a minimum four reverts (i.e., those numbered 1st and 2nd, and those numbered 3rd and 5th. Perhaps by now you see how number four is a revert as well. However, your comment below, "I'm not seeing the previous version that was reverted to. Can someone fill in that link," has me wondering if I'm being understood at all or if there is a misunderstanding regarding this: [There is no requirement for the reverts to be related: any four reverts on the same page count.] Please clarify.Doright 20:19, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

To clarify: Reversion one was the reversion of a section title and text against consensus; that was changed and reversion two is Ptmccain's reversion of that. Reversion three is his deletion of text placed there by another editor. Reversion four is his change of a section title, that was changed back, and reversion five is his reversion of the change. I'm not an expert at this but this does seem to me as this editor correcting the work of another editor five times within 24 hours -- actually within a few minutes. This editor embarked on these reversions immediately after a one-week block for a similar 3RR spree. He should be blocked for in excess of one week. Given his repeated violations (this is the fifth or sixth, I've lost count) I think an indefinite block is in order.--Mantanmoreland 17:14, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I would think that it would have to include some part of the same material 4 times, which is not the case.--Drboisclair 17:16, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

No, it doesn't have to, and Ptmccain has had that explained to him many times. SlimVirgin (talk) 17:17, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
I respectfully, but vigorously, protest the accusation I have violated 3RR. I did revert the Luther and Antisemitism content section on the Luther page twice, but then I stopped. I have not reverted it since. My other edits on the Luther page were all legitimate and not reversions. I had to correct a number of insignificant typos and such and fixed a few typos. I can understand why some would wish instantly to suspect I've violated 3RR, but I honestly do not believe I have this time. The change of the section head at the top of the page was merely my attempt to match it to the title I was trying to give the section. Further, if somebody would consult the user discussion page on the Luther article page, they will see I've indicated that I think it is just time to move and forget about trying to edit war to death teh whole issue. I'm dissapointed, but not surprised, that three Wiki users seem intent on constantly insisting on assuming bad faith on my part. I understand the 3RR policy and very intentionally am trying not to violate it. I would appreciate if an admin would give me a bit of a break here and explain to me very specifically precisely how it is that any of my editing has in fact violated WP:3RR. I'm still fairly a new user on Wikipedia, but I've read the policy carefully during my hiatus from Wiki and am trying not to break 3RR. And I would, even as I've been appropriately reminded myself by the same editors, appreciate it if people would do me the courtesy of extending the benefit of the doubt, per WP:GF. Thanks. Ptmccain 17:26, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
I want to make this clear. I do apologize if I somehow violated 3RR again. I do not believe I did. I further do not belive that the edits referred to in the claim against me are "edit warring." I removed a line from the introduction and put in new text in the article. The 3RR policy indicates the following: Reverting without "As the purpose of this policy is to prevent edit warring, it should not be taken to apply in cases where it is clear that no edit warring has taken place. For instance, consecutive edits by the same editor are considered to be one; thus if an editor makes three separate successive edits, each of which reverts a different section, but with no intervening edits by other editors, this is counted as one revert. Likewise, if there are intervening edits but they are clearly unrelated or non-contentious, such as a bot adding an interwiki link to a foreign language version of the page, this does not increase the 'revert count'." I sincerely made my other edits on the page without edit warring. I am sorry if I offended anyone, but my edits were offered in good faith. A check of the page and the discussion will show that I am willing to concede on the "Luther and Jew" issue and am the one who indicated that on the page. We just all need to move on and stop the behavior that leads us all to violate the [[WP:GF] policy. I apologize for my involvement in doing that. But I do not believe I am to be accused, in this instance, of violating WP:3RR.Ptmccain 17:57, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
I would also like to point out that I was not notified of this accusation by the person making it, as per Wiki policy that states: "If you report a 3RR violation here it is good form to inform the person you are reporting of this on their talk page and provide a link to this page WP:AN/3RR." I would like to think that even if somebody is going to try to nail me on 3RR, they would at least make the effort to inform me, which has not been case here, nor in previous incidents. Thanks.Ptmccain 18:28, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
There's no requirement to warn someone who is a serial reverter, and who has already been warned many times already. If you would stop reverting constantly, you would stop being "nailed." You are making that article next to impossible to edit, and that's not to mention all your on- and off-wiki personal attacks. SlimVirgin (talk) 18:43, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm not seeing the previous version that was reverted to. Can someone fill in that link? - FrancisTyers · 18:11, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't believe it is applicable.--Mantanmoreland 18:28, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Looking at the edits, I do not see where PTMcCain reverted the same material more than twice. Two were of the section title, which Doright has been engaging in near edit war over the last week, and the Sola Fide, which was not in dispute, but caught in the reverts. It seems to me that edit wars take more that one person to conduct and that others reverting the same material twice a day over weeks and months should be slow to accuse others of less than blantant violations of the rule. --CTSWyneken(talk) 18:38, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
CTSW, the material does not have to be the same. See WP:3RR. SlimVirgin (talk) 18:44, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Ptmccain's last act before being blocked was a bizarre personal attack while vandalizing my user page -- "Editor has joined the Wiki cabal of POV warriers on Jewish issues" -- and his first act after the block expired was this ad hominem justifying his vandalism of another page. He then embarked upon his blizzard of reverts. His requests to "assume good faith" are thus unpersuasive.--Mantanmoreland 19:13, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
The previous user's accusations are false. Neither statement is true, that these were my "last acts" before being blocked. Further, the user fails to indicate that I removed the last comment he references, thinking better of it, realizing there was no point in pursuing the issue. A careful review of the user's contribution page on the Luther pages will show there is more than enough blame to go around for the situation on the Martin Luther page and so the accusation of ad hominem from this user are equally unpersuasive. I do not believe it is in keeping with WP:GF or WP:CIVIL for the user to post these kinds of remarks. I accept my share of responsibility for the problem, but do not accept it exclusively.Ptmccain 19:21, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
I fail to see how this edit constitutes an ad hominem or personal attack. Mind explaining it to me? In the edit, he seems to be talking about an inconsistency between another editor's proclaimed adherence to sourcing standards and his actual edit history. This seems to be an example of commenting on content, not on contributors, which is what WP:NPA urges us to do. But then, I don't know the entire backstory behind Ptmccain's edits and other editors involved, so I might be failing to see something in context. Can you explain why this edit was a personal attack, Mantanmoreland? Cheers, Kasreyn 19:52, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Its a bit of a mess, but this is definitely 4R: the two marked "restore" are reverts (would be nice if marked as such) and 3, 5 are (as the reporter said) the same as the July 7th version with the same edit summary. Now, how long? I'm not sure. 48h perhaps William M. Connolley 20:20, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree; policy is quite clear that the reverts do not have to be the same: Reverting, in this context, means undoing the actions of another editor or other editors in whole or part. It does not necessarily mean taking a previous version from history and editing that. A revert may involve as little as adding or deleting a few words or even one word. Even if you are making other changes at the same time, continually undoing other editors' work counts as reverting. "Complex partial reverts" refer to reverts that remove or re-add only some of the disputed material while adding new material at the same time, which is often done in an effort to disguise the reverting. This type of edit counts toward 3RR, regardless of the editor's intention. Ptmccain has done this many times before, and just come off a number of lengthy blocks. 48 hrs seems charitable. Jayjg (talk) 21:02, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
If intention is an issue, even if one were to accept Ptmccain's description of his state of mind, one can readily conclude that his intention was to "game" the 3RR rule. Further, I suggest this is an explanation for why "Its a bit of a mess." --Doright 22:17, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
William, I don't see how a decrease in block time helps. If 7 days was not long enough for the editor to comply with this policy, after so many repeats, it seems to me that 7 weeks will not be enough. But 2 days … next time is it 1 day then 0? For goodness sakes, it was only minutes after his last 7-day block expired that he again continued his prior edit war (i.e., reversions 3 and 5) without missing a beat.
I think you will agree that common sense dictates an increasing term, not a decreasing term for repeat offences of identical policy. Please take a look at his block history, plus the history of admin warnings and his expression of disdain for those official warnings. :
IMHO, 2 days is not in the interest of WP and this shorter term can only contribute to the burnout of contributing editors. I have to tell you, if I thought the result was going to be 2 days, I would not have bothered with this.
The point is prevention and not punishment. The editor has repeatedly made it clear that the only way to prevent him is to block him. If this is not already obvious, further evidence can be provided. Besides 3RR, for example, he even continues to blank and otherwise vandalize editor's user pages despite having repeatedly been told it is a violation of policy. I have personal knowledge of several such cases, including my own where he blanked my user page (including a misleading edit summary) and then working in concert with him, CTSWyneken lodged an official complaint against me, incredibly claiming that it was I blanked my own page in violation of policy.
Please consider the effect on WP when making your final judgment: The burnout of editors, time wasted, disruption to the community and the message it sends both to violators and victims. Thank you for your consideration and formidable contributions to the community. --Doright 21:49, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
In the ad hominem I quoted earlier [59] he referred to his then-current one-week block as "I stepped over the 3RR line, or at least did so in the opinion of a certain admin." He is going to repeat 3RR again and again and again, and editors are going to have to waste a lot of energy calling him on it. I see from his user page quote from the blocking administrator that he has no comprehension of the rule, and no intention to abide by it. The block should be longer than one week, not less. Note also please vandalism and personal attacks noted earlier [60] He now deletes civil requests that he stop bombarding me with hostile emails, describing them falsely in edit summaries as "vandalism." [61] The block should be longer than one week, not less, in my view.--Mantanmoreland 21:56, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
As you can see from above, William, Doright and Mantanmoreland are attacking the user, even when he can't defend himself. Perhaps they deliberately bated McCain. Why is it that this kind of behavior is tolerated? Only a single admin has ever so much as told them to knock it off. Somehow, I doubt this behavior and failing to curb it serves the community. And now you've encouraged them. --CTSWyneken(talk) 23:57, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Come on, CTSW. You do yourself and Wikipedia no favors by defending McCain. He has behaved like a childish thug ever since he joined WP. Constant reverting, warned many times, blocked several times, removing warnings from his talk page, personal attacks, an attempt to "out" me, threatening emails, silly comments about Jewish cabals — cabals composed of "real" Jews and "honorary" ones, to get round the awkward fact that not everyone who opposes him is Jewish: this is the language that neo-Nazis employ when they talk about "Jews and their lackeys" — vandalism of user talk pages, blanking of articles, WP:POINT whenever a citation request is made, by going to other articles the requesting editor has worked on and peppering them with the {{fact}} template. It's instructive to me that one of the nicest and gentlest editors on WP said of McCain that he was perhaps the most unpleasant editor she had ever encountered. Myself, I think it's time for an RfC, and if that doesn't work, take him to the arbcom for a ban on editing Martin Luther-related pages. SlimVirgin (talk) 08:18, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
It's not an "attack" to discuss this user's past and present misconduct, which is numerous and ongoing. Also, please explain how he was "bated" to violate WP:3RR for six times in the same article.--Mantanmoreland 00:00, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
Everything that User:CTSWyneken has stated is the truth of the case. I corroborate everything he states here. To quote Blackadder's characters: "Gloaters here!"--Drboisclair 02:07, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
Mantanmoreland, as I've said above, I remain confused as to why you feel this edit constitutes a personal attack. Could you please explain? Thanks, Kasreyn 04:11, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Since no "(Result:)" is posted above, and this is my first 3RR report, I'm not sure if this case is closed. I certainly hope not. The last time Ptmccain was blocked the admin said:

"In view of repeated 3RRs on this page, a longer block seems called for: 1 week William M. Connolley 19:41, 6 July 2006 (UTC)."

I'm sure you don't need me to point out that after yet another 3RR violation logic dictates that a shorter block is not called for. --Doright 01:38, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

This is deceptive in that it looks like Mr. Connolley is changing his sentence. I am making this post non-ambiguous. It should be noted that the blockquote by user:Doright is not a rescinding of Mr. Connolley's other verdict. --Drboisclair 02:01, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
I was going to revert changes you made to my post, however I see that you made none. The only thing "deceptive" about the post is that it assumes an 8th grade reading level. --Doright 03:06, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

User:Bhouston reported by User:Ste4k (Result:No block)[edit]

Three revert rule violation on Dissident_Voice (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Bhouston (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log):

Time report made: 17:41, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Comments: A warning was given under the impression that the editor was new and unaware of the policy. An apology was made for that incorrect assumption. Ste4k 17:41, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Could Ste4k be specific what content I am reverting? I see only a lot of changes above, not a pattern of specific reverts. --Ben Houston 17:50, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm not convinced this is 4R William M. Connolley 20:13, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

All reversions are specifically geared to avoid verification process of the article. Ste4k 04:16, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

User:Astrotrain reported by User:Mais oui! (Result: No violation)[edit]

Three revert rule violation on Category:Orcadian Wikipedians. Astrotrain (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log):

Time report made: 20:06, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Comments: This is part of User:Astrotrain's efforts to escalate an already poor situation regarding a new editor's activities, see:

(Unsigned comment by User:Mais oui!)

I note this isn't a technical violation, there being 24 hours and 25 minutes spanning the four edits, but people: what the heck is going on here? Is this serving any purpose than variously, pushing an obscure 550-antedated POV, winding each other up, and correspondingly, allowing oneself to be wound up? I'd suggest that if "user" templates and categories are going to lurk in those namespaces, where they're shared with those with a direct encyclopaedic purpose, they at least try to follow generally accepted definitions. If Orcadians want to write essays on their un-Scottishness and extreme-Nordicality, that's their business, but mucking around with the category seems to me quite unwarranted. Alai 20:38, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

  • No violation here, 3RR is quite specific. Stifle (talk) 09:10, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

User:69.225.13.17 reported by User:Jeff3000 (Result:pages sprotected)[edit]

Three revert rule violation on List of religions (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). 69.225.13.17 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log):

  • Previous version reverted to: