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Reply to Benimerin's statement[edit]

This user avoided on purpose to sign to identify himself as Joanot. He decided to register just because the article was to be semi-protected. He didn't register by his free will untill last time. (see Talk page section on semi-protection of the article). If it was not able to use his account because of e-mail problems, he could have very well signed without wikilink (i.e. --"Maurice27") --Maurice27 09:53, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Message to admins[edit]

May I indicate to admins that User:Benimerin has erased the reverts described as 5th and 6th, and changed dates & hours reported by me as seen here, completely changing my report and that he is using the room of the report to answer, making it much less clear to understand.

The revision made by me (before Benimerin changing it), is this one.

In addition to the 3 (with a 4th in another article) 3RR rule breakings made by this user in less than and week, I want to report his, proved here above, modification of my statement and explanations in order to mislead the admins --Maurice27 12:02, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Links aren't changed nor erased, I think it clarifies that it's not about the same version, but several versions made by different users. Are you bored?. May I remember your own suggestion that there are no 3RR breaking as there aren't more than trhee reversions in 24h and, adding more, there are reversions with a lot of explanations and detailed reasons that you are simply ignoring these?.
I also would like to suggest admins to remove this request as a arbitration request is ongoing, and where he's also implied. There are also a user trying a dispute resolution in Talk:Flag of Valencia. I think it is not a problem of 3RR, because there are no reasons technically, and because the problem aren't the reversions but an edit-warring of Maurice27 against every Catalonian or Valencian users as me. Cheers. --Benimerin - كُنْ ذكورا إذا كُنْت كذوب - 12:07, 17 July 2007 (UTC) PD: Please, can you show us where I've deleted anything?. Are you here to make me personal war or what?. Your last update is a false report.

Stu ’Bout ye! reported by User:Domer48 (Result:12h)[edit]

Tom Williams (Irish Republican) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views).

  • 1st revert: [1]
  • 2nd revert: [2]
  • 3rd revert: [3]
  • 4th revert: [4]

User:Domer48 and User:Brixton Busters have been changing Category:Northern Irish Roman Catholics to Category:Irish Roman Catholics. Their contention is that Northern Ireland is not a state, country or nationality. See Talk:Tom Williams (Irish Republican) for the reason why they are incorrect in doing this. All UK biography articles follow a style for categorisation. I have told them that if they disagree with this then they should go to WP:CFD, which is the correct procedure. However they are ignoring this. Stu ’Bout ye! 10:53, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

  • Regardless, you have edit warred and in doing so, broken 3RR. Standards to do it one way do not give one an exception to the rule. 12 hours. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 11:18, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

User:Mzaca reported by User:Ezeu (Result:24h)[edit]

Bantu (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Mzaca (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log): Time reported: 14:05, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

  • I've blocked this user for 24 hours. Has been edit warring since the 11th, with his last 4 reverts yesterday at 07:22 and 12:02 and today at 05:58 and 07:48. Four reverts in 24 hours and 26 minutes is close enough for me. Kafziel Talk 14:19, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

User:David Lyons reported by User:Sparkzilla (Result: Protected (BLP))[edit]

Nick Baker (prisoner in Japan) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). David Lyons (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log): Time reported: 15:16, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

User is an {SPA]] with an undeclared COI as a member of Baker's support group. User is attempting to remove primary source court documents that point to Baker's guilt. -- Sparkzilla talk! 15:16, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

This is a bogus 3RR claim to draw away attention from the fact the user Sparkzilla is trying to introduce an unreliable source into this BLP. Unreliable sources should be removed immediately, especially in the case of a BLP. Sparkzilla, despite requests, has been unable to show as the above diffs will show that his sources are reliable. He has also been told not to edit this page further due to his CoI.David Lyons 15:29, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Please just look at the diffs and the user's posting history. -- Sparkzilla talk! 15:33, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Someone appears to be trying to introduce a third-party personal website as a source, which is a violation of BLP, so I've protected the page until I can work out what's going on. SlimVirgin (talk)(contribs) 20:01, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
SV, the document that is being introduced was originally on the justicefornickbaker site (and was linked to that site from the WP article since January). When justicefornickbaker's contents were removed a month or so ago, I copied the court documents to my own homepage. I have opened an RFC for the inclusion of these court documents on the article talk page. If it helps, I will shortly ask the editor of my magazine to add it to the sources for this article, which will give it independent provenance. Thank you for understanding. -- Sparkzilla talk! 20:11, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

User:Minutes to Rise and User:87.167.226.119 reported by User:TheLetterM (Result:24hrs for TheLetterM and 87.167.226.119, sprotected)[edit]

Post-hardcore (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views).

  • User has been disruptive in forcing "Heavy Metal" as a stylistic influence on Post-Hardcore and has refused to comply with anything resembling civil discourse or discussion, opting instead for all-capped, rude comments on my talk page.
  • User editing from one Username and an IP, both suspected sockpuppets of a previously banned sockpuppeter, see here. TheLetterM 17:58, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
  • There is no clear evidence at this point that I can see of sockpuppetry. In the meanwhile, I have blocked User:TheLetterM and User:87.167.226.119 for 24 hours for edit warring, and sprotected the entry. Crum375 18:51, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

User:Joie de Vivre reported by User:Jayjg (Result:24hrs)[edit]

Circumcision (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Joie de Vivre (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log): Time reported: 19:37, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

  • Editor has been continually reverting in the sentence The frenulum may also be cut away at the same time, in a procedure called a frenectomy. in the lead paragraph. Was asked to revert himself by two different editors [6] [7] but has refused to do so. Not a new editor, has been editing since September 2006. Jayjg (talk) 19:37, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Blocked for 24 hrs. Crum375 20:09, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

User:Marketingsupport reported by User:SarekOfVulcan (Result:24 hours)[edit]

Biscayne Landing (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Marketingsupport (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log): Time reported: 19:58, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

  • Previous version reverted to: 14:42 (EDT) (blanked page)

3RR warning given at 15:28 by User:Satori Son -- there has been more reverting to different versions after this point.

Note that NoMoBS seems to be a sockpuppet of this account, and has been making many of the same edits.

He is continuing to revert:

User:Bennie Noakes reported by User:Dreadstar (Result:)[edit]

What the Bleep Do We Know!? (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Bennie Noakes (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log): Time reported: 04:04, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

  • Necessary for newer users: A diff of 3RR warning issued _before_ the last reported reversion.

Your report may be ignored if it is not placed properly.

Note that revert number four is the same information, just moved to a different spot in the same section, separated from it's original, former sentence. (hopefully that's clear!)- Dreadstar 06:21, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Also please note that the information User:Bennie Noakes is trying to keep in the article by edit-warring is OR/Synthesis and unsourced information. I've clearly outlined the reasons this material should not to be added to the article on the article's talk page. User insists on adding unsourced OR to the article. Dreadstar 04:04, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

It is a bit concerning that Bennie Noakes seemed to indicate that he may continue to edit war to keep his OR in the article, although he would "rather not have to". [8] Dreadstar 04:36, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

As user indicated, he continues to revert war to keep his OR/Synthesis in the article, as well as removing fact/citation request tags:

The article has been protected due to the edit-warring, so the warring has stopped for now. I am concerned that it may start again once the article is unprotected. If not a block for this, then at least a strong warning from someone besides myself would be appropriate. Dreadstar 09:54, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

User:Lear 21 reported by User:Parsecboy (Result:No violation)[edit]

List of countries and outlying territories by total area:

  • Revert 1: 1 00:48, 14 July 2007
  • Revert 2: 2 01:18, 14 July 2007
  • Revert 3: 3 01:40, 14 July 2007
  • Revert 4: 4 12:32, 14 July 2007
The edits differ from each other. The second party reverting, user:polaron, could be accused violating 3RRR as well. No need to block this account. Lear 21 13:31, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
They are not different; they are continued reverting to include the EU where no consensus exists to do so.Parsecboy 13:34, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

List of countries by population:

  • Revert 1: 1 01:11, 14 July 2007
  • Revert 2: 2 01:21, 14 July 2007
  • Revert 3: 3 01:54, 14 July 2007
  • Revert 4: 4 02:10, 14 July 2007

Diff for 3RR warning: here. Parsecboy 13:00, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

The first edit is not a revert, but the establishment of new content. No sign of 3RRR Lear 21 13:27, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
You made the same edit 4 times in less than an hour. If that does not constitute 3RR violation, I don't know what does. Parsecboy 13:34, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
The user reverted three times in both cases. He has not violated the 3RR rule. Perspicacite 10:45, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

User:Nordic Crusader reported by User:Muntuwandi (Result:Warned)[edit]

Negroid (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Nordic Crusader (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log): Time reported: 06:22, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

  • Necessary for newer users: A diff of 3RR warning issued _before_ the last reported reversion.

Your report may be ignored if it is not placed properly.

User:Muntuwandi openly participated in an edit war, reverting what I thought were good, helpful edits with no explanation. It wasn't until after ceasefire I was warned, or even made aware of this rule. If I edit the article again, not sure if I want to after this, I'll seek admin assistance rather than reverting. --Nordic Crusader 09:32, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Muntuwandi waited until after NC broke the rule to warn him. NC is a new user. Muntuwandi then reverted NC's edit leaving no recourse for NC to self-revert thus a block would be unfair. Perspicacite 10:51, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

NC has reverted again, and his reverts are either vandalism or bordering on vandalism. I am requesting some intervention.Muntuwandi 11:12, 15 July 2007 (UTC) Furthermore though it appears that NC is a new user, the level of experience that is apparent is far too advanced to be a new user. Muntuwandi 11:18, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

User:88.101.76.122 reported by User:Angr (Result:)[edit]

Non-native pronunciations of English (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). 88.101.76.122 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log): Time reported: 11:28, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Note: User has now registered as User:Errorneous.

User:Angr reported by User:Errorneous (Result: No block)[edit]

Non-native pronunciations of English (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Angr (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log): Time reported: 12:28, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

  • Previous version reverted to: [10]
The second and third of those reverts were made by other users, not me. My two reverts are spaced over 38 hours apart. —Angr 14:14, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
They were made by one user with dynamic IP. I bet it was your sockpupeting to lure me to break 3-revert rule.Errorneous 15:14, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Gee, you're off to a great start at Wikipedia. First you edit war to restore a policy violation into an article, then you accuse an administrator of suckpuppetry. —Angr 16:24, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
No block - as Angr says, the reverts are too far apart. Will (talk) 17:50, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

User:Maurice27 reported by User:Benimerin (formerly: User:Joanot) (Result: No violation)[edit]

Flag of Valencia (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Maurice27 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log): Time reported: 12:54, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

  • Previous version reverted to: 11:26, 15 July 2007. No previous version stable, this user reverts and avoids any change made by me in every restoration I make.

NOTE A: Maurice27 have accused me previously about violating 3RR on the same article (see).

NOTE B: Maurice27 have been already blocked several times because violating 3RR (see), and he's implied in a request for arbitration (see).

  • Necessary for newer users: A diff of 3RR warning issued before the last reported reversion.

Your report will be ignored if it is not placed properly.

Reply by Maurice27[edit]

May this user be reminded by admins that this rule only applies if reverting 4 times in a 24 hour period and not 2 times one day and 2 times 48 hours later? --Maurice27 13:28, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

OK, yes William M. Connolley 21:47, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Do you mean that you will joke us reverting only twice every day? Technically you can avoid 3RR violation, but your objetive here is the same of those persons who violates this rule: to disrupt wikipedia, in this case, because of your very personal and ideological feelings. --Benimerin - كُنْ ذكورا إذا كُنْت كذوب - 09:37, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Please, recheck this possible violation. There are three reversions within 24 hrs., since 14:16 of 15 July to 12:37 of 16 July made by Maurice27. Thanks. --Benimerin - كُنْ ذكورا إذا كُنْت كذوب - 17:29, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
I don't understand. If you're saying that there are "three reversions within 24 hrs", then you're saying there is no violation.
Though, of course, editors are discouraged from "gaming the system" and constantly racking up precisely 3 reverts in an attempt to avoid being blocked, 3 reverts is still, technically, not a violation. If you think a person is persistently edit-warring, outside of 3RR, then you may wish to consider the administrator's noticeboard (WP:AN), or specifically their incidents subpage (WP:AN/I). Of course, I'm sure people here will still be willing to look at cases of precisely 3 reverts, but appealing to them to reconsider in cases where there wasn't a technical violation isn't likely to succeed. (As that would require one admin overriding the decision of another) Bladestorm 17:36, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Ok, thank you for your response. --Benimerin - كُنْ ذكورا إذا كُنْت كذوب - 17:40, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

User:Funkynusayri reported by User:Zerida (Result: warned)[edit]

Comment: This appears to have all started when User:Funkynusayri made a deletion on the article Middle East, which was reverted [11]. User then went on to make similar edits on other articles, including Egyptians, which s/he contends "shouldn't exist" [12]. It was this comment that made me suspicious due to recent activity on articles of a similar topic by users like this and this. S/he then suggested that two articles, which are traditionally kept separate for every country, be merged. S/he also accuses me of having a "mute sock puppet" [13]. My comments to User:Funkynusayri can be found here and a content comment is here. I'd like him/her to cool off, refrain from making changes to articles when her/his edits are challenged by multiple users, and be a little more civil. — Zerida 19:29, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I have warned the user. Tom Harrison Talk 20:53, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

User:G2bambino reported by User:Lonewolf BC (Result:)[edit]

British monarchy (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). G2bambino (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log): Time reported: 20:38, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

and then: 17:12-17:13
(Second revert broken up to show its two-fold character, but is one revert because there were no intervening edits. As regards the second part, compare with older versions, as here.)

The other party to the edit-war, TharkunColl, is likewise in breach of 3rr. See the page history. This is part of a long-raging edit war (or wars) on this article, lately the cause of An/I reports (see "British monarchy edit war", "British monarchy edit war, part II" and "G2bambino" in Archive 270), and with several recent past violations of 3rr and many warnings on both sides, and a block to G2bambino, though for "Edit warring", not for an actual 3rr violation. (I was myself blocked at the same time, for the same span, and for the same given reason as Gbambino. I mention this so that none can say I've been uncandid, here, but it is really beside the point, I think.) -- Lonewolf BC 20:38, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I warned both G2bambino and TharkunColl of 3RR. --Son 21:43, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
I also warned G2bambino earlier but he deleted the warning from his talk page. I didn't think I was in breach of 3RR (the edits were to two separate parts of the article and not connected with each other), but I could be wrong I suppose. My purpose was to restore the consensus so recently thrashed out. TharkunColl 21:48, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

User:Gaimhreadhan reported by User:Domer48 (Result: blocked elsewise)[edit]

Previous version reverted to - 00:26, 15 July [14]

1 - 01:04, 15 July [15]

2 - 01:17, 15 July [16]

3 - 20:19, 15 July [17]

4 - 20:33, 15 July [18]

And although blocked for another matter [19]

  • Necessary for newer users: A diff of 3RR warning issued before the last reported reversion.

Your report will be ignored if it is not placed properly.

Will warn William M. Connolley 21:59, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

User:Theblog reported by User:William M. Connolley (Result:12h)[edit]

Christopher Landsea (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Theblog (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log): Time reported: 21:33, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

  • Previous version reverted to: all are clearly marked as reverts; but [20] will do if you like
  • Necessary for newer users: A diff of 3RR warning issued before the last reported reversion.

Your report will be ignored if it is not placed properly.

  • Diff of 3RR warning: has been warned before and understood: [21]

Note that all edits remove the "roger pielke" text with a spurious BLP excuse for whitewashing William M. Connolley 21:33, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

REPLY by theblog[edit]

Please note that I believe it is a WP:BLP violation, and it is using WP:OR and a blog post meant to show the article subject in a negative light, as I have discussed on the talk page with anyone who will bother to respond. No whitewashing is taking place. --Theblog 01:20, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

  • I've looked and I do not see this as a BLP situation. Are there NPOV concerns? Quite possibly. But this cannot justify a 3RR vio. Therefore, blocked for 12 hours. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 09:02, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

User:Maniac20 reported by User:Falcon9x5 (Result: 3h)[edit]

Assassin's Creed (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Maniac20 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log): Time reported: 21:42, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Given quite late, but user continued to make edits afterwards, and was given prior warnings.

I myself broke the 3RR while trying to revert Maniac20's edits. Myself [22] [23] and another user [24] [25] have left repeated warnings on the user's talk page, and in edit summaries. User has consistently ignored both. Also made several[26] other[27] disruptive[28] edits[29]. Fin© 21:48, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

3h. Next time, *please* warn earlier and bring here earlier William M. Connolley 09:01, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

User:74.62.149.66 reported by User:Fyslee (Result: 8h)[edit]

Quackwatch (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). 74.62.149.66 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log): Time reported: 00:53, 16 July 2007 (UTC) -- Fyslee/talk

8h William M. Connolley 08:56, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

User:CrystalB4 reported by User:gscshoyru (Result: 24h)[edit]

Wonder Woman (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). CrystalB4 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log): Time reported: 03:26, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

  • Necessary for newer users: A diff of 3RR warning issued before the last reported reversion.

Your report will be ignored if it is not placed properly.

24h William M. Connolley 08:52, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

User:Complete Truth reported by User:Pablothegreat85 (Result: 24h)[edit]

Controlled demolition hypothesis for the collapse of the World Trade Center (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Complete Truth (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log): Time reported: 07:22, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Steven E. Jones (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Complete Truth (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log): Time reported: 07:29, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

24h