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I am creating a doppleganger account[edit]

Shortly, I am creating User:WikiTeke, which will redirect to User:Teke. WikiTeke is my IRC handle, so it's to make lookups a bit easier. Just a friendly heads up that both accounts are mine. Teke 01:43, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

More for future reference than this specific case, you can make this notification by putting {{doppleganger|YourUsername}} on the userpage before or shortly after creating the account. Make sure you do it from your main account so it doesn't look like an imposter trying not to get blocked. Essjay (Talk) 06:16, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Mama's Family[edit]

Doesn't appear to be still going. WP:3RR would have been appropriate. Left {{3RR}} warnings on both their pages. ViridaeTalk 09:30, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Philadelphia and other places by User:Kramden4700[edit]

Kramden4700 (talk · contribs) seems to have decided that the longstanding redirect Philadelphia (with over 4000 links to it) should be changed from pointing to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania to Philadelphia (disambiguation). Several users (including me) have reverted the edits and attempted to reason with the user. The result has been to expand his/her edits to do the same thing to all the articles that have been used as examples, with no attempt to clean up the thousands of articles that did point (via redirect) to the right article, but would now point to a disambig instead. I have reverted many of these, but seek confirmation if I'm doing the right thing, and what more should be done (by me or others) if it continues. I think the user did not start with intent to vandalise or disrupt, but does not seem to accept reasoned discussion. --Scott Davis Talk 08:02, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

The user definitely has an axe to grind with the USA for some reason. I have watchlisted all the redirects mentioned and will revert until a consensus against their current redirect is reached. --mboverload@ 11:50, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
Thankyou. I got involved trying to reason with him before I discovered the extent of the issue. --Scott Davis Talk 13:52, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
This user has also been putting speedy deletion tags on articles to which they obviously don't apply. It's a bit of a grey area, though, because some of them do seem to be used appropriately. Ardric47 23:31, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
The changing of links is continuing at a rapid-fire pace. Also, his or her talk page has been moved to User talk:Kramden4700/1, and a new one started. Ardric47 23:42, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
I wish I had learned about this post sooner. At Talk:Philadelphia, I suggested the links that he should look at, to try to get him to look at the consequences of changing those links, and to get him to think that it's a bigger issue than he thought. He saw the consequences with his editing, and thought that others were vandalizing his edits (in my view), so the edit war escalated. Because I saw similar behavior from another user, User:Wrath of Roth, I (wrongfully) opened a sockpuppet case against him (Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Kramden4700). It apparently scared him enough that he stopped editing for a while. Then I offered an apology, and he accepted. (his response) I think he's acting in good faith now, but only time will tell if I feel that way in the future. I'm not happy with my own behavior in this incident, but I want to put this issue to rest. Tinlinkin 12:33, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
According to the user page User:Kramden4700, he or she is not only the same as Wrath of Roth, but also more than 30 others (Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of Spotteddogsdotorg). Ardric47 19:56, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Organised POV-pushing on Israel/Hezbollah articles?[edit]

I noticed a story in today's London Times which I thought would be of interest to people here:

Israel’s Government has thrown its weight behind efforts by supporters to counter what it believes to be negative bias and a tide of pro-Arab propaganda. The Foreign Ministry has ordered trainee diplomats to track websites and chatrooms so that networks of US and European groups with hundreds of thousands of Jewish activists can place supportive messages.
In the past week nearly 5,000 members of the World Union of Jewish Students (WUJS) have downloaded special “megaphone” software that alerts them to anti-Israeli chatrooms or internet polls to enable them to post contrary viewpoints. A student team in Jerusalem combs the web in a host of different languages to flag the sites so that those who have signed up can influence an opinion survey or the course of a debate. [1]

I've no idea if this effort has had any impact on Wikipedia yet, but I would think it would be pretty easy to spot - i.e. a sudden influx of new/anonymous editors pushing one side's line on articles related to the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict. We should certainly expect to be targeted given Wikipedia's high profile these days. At any rate, it might be worth putting 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict and related articles (Hezbollah, Lebanon, Roles of non-combatant State and non-State actors in the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict, Timeline of the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict, Military operations of the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict and others?) on our watchlists for the next few weeks. -- ChrisO 21:10, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I've no idea if it's intentional. but the article's opener is already hopelessly unbalanced, referring to "attacks on civilian population centers and infrastructure by both sides in this conflict" without referring to the massive population movements in Lebanon and the extremely high collateral damage sustained by the Lebanese civilians under Israeli bombardment. --Tony Sidaway 00:44, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
    • Bias alert: No mention by Tony of massive population movements in Israel and the extremely high collateral damage sustained by the israeli civilians under Hezbula bombardment" Zeq 04:43, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
      • If we have a reliable source for "massive population movements" within Israel as a result of the Hezbollah missile bombardment, then we should write about them. If we have a reliable source for "extremely high collateral damage" sustained by the Israeli population, we should write about it. I certainly don't want to start debating that here; just giving my impression of the article's principal fault: that in equivocating the effects of the conflict on the populations, it unduly distorts the relative scale of the conflict. --Tony Sidaway
  • We're not here to put our own views into articles, but to report what reliable sources are reporting. The death ratios as neither here nor there: if Israel were suddenly today to have more killed, would it score extra points on some equality scale? SlimVirgin (talk) 02:04, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Not that this is the place to argue this, but a roughly 10-to-1 ratio of Lebanese to Israeli civilians -- as well as the similiar ratio for civilians displaced -- should strike an objective observer as being wildly unbalanced enough to not require the automatic utterances of exact equivalency when bringing up the events to avoid actual claims of bias. --Calton | Talk 06:01, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
Although reporting that Hezbollah's missiles are full of metal pellets designed to do maximum damage to human bodies would apparently be POV? User:Zoe|(talk) 01:55, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
Who suggested it would be? POV can be where emphasis is laid (and not laid). Perhaps if the design of these missiles is described along side the capabilities of some of Israel's weaponry, it would be perfectly NPOV... --Oldak Quill 02:49, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
I think it would be biased to say this if it were to imply that Israeli armaments (and indeed the armaments of most nations) are not also designed to distribute shrapnel. --Tony Sidaway 11:37, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

..sudden influx of new/anonymous editors pushing one side's line on articles related to the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict. We should certainly expect to be targeted... As Zeq's bit of screaming axe-grinding above ought to remind anyone, there's no need to watch for a "sudden influx", since Zeq and his cohorts are already here and have been for a long time. --Calton | Talk 06:01, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

This is very unfair to the majority of editors who, while sympathetic to Israeli interests, nevertheless edit in good faith. Zeq is not typical. On another point, I have seen no influx of POV editors with a pro-Israeli viewpoint. I simply see editors who are concerned that Israel not be trashed. Fred Bauder 11:23, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
I don't mean to go off-topic, but what makes you think the majority of editors are "sympathetic to Israeli interests"? Or are you saying that the majority of editors who are "sympathetic to the Israeli interests", edit in good faith? Just want some clarification. --Oldak Quill 11:58, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
The latter. SlimVirgin (talk) 01:13, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
As the above conversation suggests, we're quite capable as Wikipedia editors of holding quite broad views on this conflict. Some of us view Hezbollah as intrinsically terrorist, others as a primarily defensive force. Some of us are sympathetic to Israel, others are not. As long as we recognise our biases and work to minimise them, working with Verifiability and Reliable sources should see us through. Interlopers should be easy enough to recognise and deal with. --Tony Sidaway 12:02, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
The Israel-related articles are under constant attack from anti-Israel POV pushers and usually poor editors. If the Israeli Foreign Ministry has indeed helped to organize "networks of US and European groups with hundreds of thousands of Jewish activists" they have overlooked Wikipedia. SlimVirgin (talk) 01:12, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

A few days ago, I created an article about the Megaphone desktop tool mentioned in the article. You can see what blogs and polls are being targeted; there's a web page for that.. Also an RSS feed. Today's target blogs include the Drudge Report and Salon. Wikipedia isn't listed. So we can relax for now. --John Nagle 17:47, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis[edit]

Can someone protect Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis and inform User:PaulWicks how to deal sock puppets? -Ravedave 23:11, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

  • Done the semiprotection part. Socks are already blocked abakharev 23:41, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
    • Beacause the IP range is blocked I have unprotected the article back abakharev 00:04, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Possible WP:OWN problem[edit]

User:KMEG has proclaimed themselves "The OFFICIAL editor of KMEG", along with it being a WP:OWN problem, it could lead to NPOV disputes. --CFIF (talk to me) 00:42, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Request for Help[edit]

Could an administrator please complete the merge requested by the consensus of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Animals in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. CrazyRussian was the closing admin but he refuses to implement the consensus reached. Thanks. --Hetar 01:23, 31 July 2006 (UTC)


Someone needsd to close and archive a lot of TfD entries. Most of the ones from July 12 are still active! I've closed the TfD on one userbox which had already been WP:GUS'ed, but I can't help on the others, since I don't have admin rights. If there is a clear consensus for keep I will close the TfD, but I doubt I'll find many of those. Fredil Yupigo 03:13, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

I'll do it tomorrow later today (Stupid UTC!) RyanGerbil10(The people rejoice!) 06:49, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
Both July 19 and 20 are now fully closed, but I have to go to work soon. RyanGerbil10(The people rejoice!) 19:55, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
TfDs are now closed back to July 15. RyanGerbil10(The people rejoice!) 05:45, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Closed and removed from TfD mainpage dating back to July 12. RyanGerbil10(The people rejoice!) 03:53, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Coordinates on Infobox_stadium[edit]

Hello, A few days ago, I discovered a neat way to add coordinates to the stadium infobox. I added it to the infobox and it worked well. I have spent the last 5 days of my life adding coordinates to all the psorts arenas. Now, someone has found a way to add coordinates to the top (such as PETCO Park) and tehy have found a way to disable the coordiante settings I have put in the infobox. They did this without an audit trail. I feel this was the wrong way to go about things for the following reasons...

1. It has been the standard way that coordinates show up in the infobox for other types of infoboxes.

2. The new coordinates on the pages work differenly than the coordinates that (were) in the sports arena infoboxs. For instance they do not pull up links to googel maps.

3. Some stadiums that I had added coordinates to in the info box (such as Giants Stadium now have no coordinates for them what so ever.

4. Nobody cared about coordinates until I added this and nobody contacted me before adding the coordinates the other way. I have spent 5 days of my life working on this and strongly feel I should have at least been consulted. Somehow they have screwed up my ability to even add it back to the stadium infobox even though infoboxes such as the "protect areas" infobox have coordinate settings. They have stifled my innovation.

Please let me know. I put a lot of mental energy into figuring this out and feel I have a lot more to contribute along these lines to wikipedia. If somebody had only contacted me before doing it I would have been open minded to it. But I won't contribute any more if people don't talk to me before messing with something I did.--Dr who1975 02:13, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

  • If I understand you correctly, the template you are looking for is Template:Coor title dms. PETCO Park has the template tag near the bottom of the page, next to the Template:MLB tag. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 02:28, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Yes, like Zzyzx11 said, it's part of that template. If you look at the history of the PETCO Park article, for example, you'll see it was added on July 10th with the edit summary "Adding geographical coordinates" [2]. I can't speak for why it was removed from the other template, but I would assume that it's because whoever removed it thinks it is redundant to have them both in the top corner and in the infobox. Metros232 02:44, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Unprotect my page[edit]

I don't see any reason for my page to continue to be semi-protected. Could someone please remove the protection. Thanks. Paul Cyr 05:45, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Unprotected, next time use WP:RPP. Yanksox 05:47, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

CapnCrack socks[edit]

A little while ago, CJ Izzy (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log) (most likely a CapnCrack sock) made an edit to WP:CK introducing a long list of what were supposedly CapnCrack sockpuppets that had not yet been blocked, which read as follows: