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Male pregnancy[edit]

The user User:Kizor has been edit warring the preserve original research at the page Male pregnancy, refusing to provide citations from notable sources or in some cases any sources what so ever.

I've corrected the tags and added {{citeneeded}} where I feel a WP:RS is lacking. RadioKirk (u|t|c) 18:37, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
The author of this message, presumably the same person as the one with an identical posting style and focus, has not responded to three separate requests to elaborate on what he finds unacceptable, beyond repeatedly stating that it's ridiculous, nonsense, OR and the like. He seems to be ignoring the sources I supply and operating under his own, personal definition of 'notable'. He's called for aid multiple times but engaged in next to no actual dialogue with me. --Kizor 20:37, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Additionally, he apparently finds the statement that a male pregnancy would have to be an ectopic pregnancy to be unacceptable OR. An ectopic pregnancy is defined as one outside a womb. Men do not have a womb. In case that wouldn't be enough, I gave him a link where Lord Winston - one of Great Britain's prominent fertility specialists - specifically mentions this. Several days later he deleted the statement and several others with the edit summary 'rvv'. --Kizor 20:46, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
I assure you, I am not the poster to whom you originally refer. A simple check with ARIN and similar sources reveals the original chap to be an American, and me to be British. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.107.45.11 (talkcontribs)

81, You're also responding to me and acting politely, so you can't be him. Sorry. Sorry. And damn; jumping the gun when my credibility is a vital issue! Here's my side of things. What I said earlier stands, except for the striked-through part - 74.136.222.198 has repeatedly edited the page to force his will through. He's answering no attempts at dialogue and accepting no version but his; communications from him have been limited to "Read this and become familiar with it WP:OR" and "ricidulous". He's snide and insulting in his few talk page messages and edit summaries. He's not elaborating on his problems beyond saying that what he doesn't agree with is nonsense, and has made no acknowledgement of the sources I've provided. There is no original research in the article, at least not by me or in the parts he's attacking and I'm defending. I gave an elaborate summary on his talk page. The sources used, Robert Winston and Snopes.com, are in the article as some of its external links. They are by no means the only sources with data of male pregnancy, but cover everything used in the article. If the page that hosts a copy of the Sunday Times article about Winston seems suspect, it's also hosted elsewhere. If the sources should be pointed out better, I'm all ears, but I'm not - repeat not - using OR. --Kizor 18:07, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

The snopes link you provided appears to debunk your entire article's human component.
Not really. It examines the present state and says that it's doable, not yet practically feasible - and the Wikipedia article agrees by describing it as doubly foolhardy. Snopes.com's description of how a male pregnancy would be done corresponds to Winston's statements on the issue. The Snopes link finishes by saying that it could become reality in the future. The article and the source seem to fit nicely to me. --Kizor 11:31, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Since Male pregnancy is not even feasible at current (as stated by snopes), the article's human component is merely speculative, which is inappropriate for an encyclopedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.107.45.11 (talkcontribs)
Please take this discussion back to the talk page of the article. This is not the place for content discussion between editors. Sam Vimes 11:45, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
I disagree, we have a need for other editors to go and look at the article in question and weigh in as currently Kizor has been tailoring it to his views, it seems there is a need for other opinions on these views. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.107.45.11 (talkcontribs)
The place to go then is Wikipedia:Requests for comment (more specifically: [[1]]), since this discussion does not require administrator action, merely input which any editor can provide. Sam Vimes 13:04, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

I have copied the ongoing part of the discussion to Talk:Male pregnancy, which should be much better suited for talking this out. --Kizor 14:42, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Jonas Salk (talk · contribs)[edit]

User is not Jonas Salk but is using his name as his/her own username in violation of username policy. --M1ss1ontomars2k4 (T | C | @) 04:34, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Considering Salk died 11 years ago, is there really a concern about them mixing up? Would there be a concern if a user named himself PaulRevere? — Mike • 05:04, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
No problems with me. I do not think that 11 years ago is a "recent death" so I am ok with the name. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 05:13, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Me either. It's not like he's new either. --Woohookitty(meow) 05:52, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Probably okay. -- Samir धर्म 07:09, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
We can probably open this discussion up again should we ever get a legal notice from Zombie Salk. --InShaneee 19:29, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Zombie Salk = twice the mold of a normal zombie? -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 13:25, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

User:Anirudh777[edit]

Sorry for being late in reporting. See this user's conributions for all his/her edits based on huge POV. Lot of his/her edits seem to be ridiculous. See Talk:Vedic religion and other Talk pages where he shows his hatred by saying -- HINDUISM IS NAZISM --. He needs to be banned. Babub 08:31, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Editor deleting other peoples comments[edit]

I posted this at AV but it was delisted and the admin apparently did not contact the user.

Zer0faults (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log) is removing my comments from several pages.[2][3][4][5][6][7] He keeps deleting other peoples edits despite me asking him to stop. Please review this editors behaviour.

Can somebody look into the matter, and comment on whether or not deleting comments by others in a poll is allowed. See previous question above regarding editors reframing a poll to suit their needs. Nomen NescioGnothi seauton 11:16, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm on it. El_C 11:18, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. Nomen NescioGnothi seauton 11:25, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

May I thank those that looked into the repeated delketion and manipulation of polls and decided no comment was needed. Nomen NescioGnothi seauton 15:32, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Stop vandalising the poll, you cannot change the contents after people have voted. I dont know why this is so difficult for you to grasp. Your political opinions are not what the poll is about and you have no right to attempt to make it about them after people have voted. WP:POINT. If you do not like the questions then simply state you do not, do not disrupt a process to make your political point clear. --zero faults |sockpuppets| 15:36, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
If Nescio was commenting within the text of a poll question after others had voted, that seems like a no-no to me. However, you could have moved his comments to another section rather than deleting them. Thatcher131 17:43, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

I blocked both users for six hours (3RR breach on the page). I think what is happening is that the Wikipedia:WOT poll is suffering from vote stacking (see my note about it on This poll suffers from questionable vote-stacking practices). So what Nescio is doing, is placing links to the old polls on these issues, while Zer0fault objects and reverts, and Nescio reverts in turn. But Zer0fault has also removed a link within Nescio's comment on the AfD (which I have rollbacked — it is a links to an article RFC that Nescio has prepared), calling it "linkspam." This leads me to think that Zer0fault has a rather poor grasp of WP:OWN. I don't have a great deal of time to deal with this, so feel free to step in. El_C 22:12, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

El, I haven't followed this very closely, but do you think it's a good thing that you did the block? You seem to have some involvement with that page. Arkon 22:18, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
I think it's a good thing. El_C 22:21, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Big time Vandal, just look at his talk page[edit]

71.193.138.120 (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log)

His talk page is filled with warnings and vandal marks.

Davetron5000 14:26, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

RadioKirk just blocked him for a week, for the string of recent vandalism. --TeaDrinker 14:28, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
The IP appears to resolve to a single user (certainly, the pattern of vandalism is the same) in Salem, Oregon, USA. Next time, this one gets 3 months. RadioKirk (u|t|c) 14:50, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Policy says a max of 1 month blocks for static IPs. Prodego talk 15:02, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. I would have sworn it was 3... RadioKirk (u|t|c) 15:18, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Meh, policy needs to be changed then ... one month clearly isn't long enough for habitual offenders. --Cyde↔Weys 15:44, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Policy is wrong then, I have rightly with community support blocked a static IP before for 24 months. --Golbez 18:22, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps it means 1 month without having first received support for longer. Shall I consider this support? ;) RadioKirk (u|t|c) 18:31, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Although I am not an administrator, I do lend a hand with vandalism removal from time to time and agree that 3 months is a reasonable length of time to block pathological vandals operating from addresses that have been blocked repeatedly in the past. If it turns out that there is a collateral damage issue they can send an email to OTRS, the blocking administrator, or issue an {{unblock}} request on their talk page and it will be quickly reversed. How can our blocking policy be updated? Yamaguchi先生 20:16, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
As per the discussion a couple of threads below, if it's habitual, and a static IP, then blocks in excess of a month are appropriate. Particularly as blocks can always be overturned later. Indefinite is not permanent. Proto///type 09:49, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

User:Arvatov[edit]

User:Arvatov continues his campaign [8] [9] [10] [11] of trolling, near-fascist PoV and vandalism [12], [13], [14]. I think permanent ban is in order. Duja 16:05, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Although most of those edits are now quite old, two are recent and, I believe, justify a re-blocking. I am loathe to go to a permanent block (though I acknowledge it may prove necessary in the end) so have placed a 1-month block on User:Arvatov instead. --AlisonW 16:45, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks; I provided the old links just to establish the earlier pattern of behavior, which sadly continues. Duja 09:52, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

62.171.194.5[edit]

Seems to be going on a vandalism rampage today. See the Contributions page at [15] and all the notices at User_talk:62.171.194.5. As above, it might be that a permanent ban is requried -- going through and changing all these little things in so many entries is going to be a lot of work. -- Tenebrae 16:33, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

I've reviewed the edits for that IP and also the related IPs (as per talkpage). Given that the long-term repeated warnings have had no effect on all the IPs I concur that, regrettable though it is to have an IP permablocked, there is no alternative. 62.171.194.4 - 13 and 62.171.194.36 - 45 have now been permablocked. --AlisonW 17:05, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
IP addresses should not be permablocked unless they are open proxies. See WP:BLOCK. Prodego talk 17:06, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Yep. An IP is never eternally owned, so it shouldn't be eternally blocked. Geogre 17:29, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
It is a difficult problem to conclude the best response to. Each of these IPs has been used for extensive vandalism, indeed that is *all* they appear to have done. Over many months many editors have warned them and given "final" warnings with short-term blocks. As such, and unless we want to be seen to be toothless, we have no further options left but to permablock. Yes, of course, the IP allocation should be checked at intervals to ensure it hasn't changed hands so "eternal" is inherently wrong. It is a bit like someone being detained "at her Majesty's pleasure". We shall review the blocks but setting a specified period is clearly not going to solve the problem. --AlisonW 18:35, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
See WP:BLOCK, which states that "For static IPs, such blocks should initially last 24 hours, but repeat violators may be blocked for a maximum of one month". Please change your blocks. Prodego talk 18:43, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
That is a very selective quote from WP:BLOCK. I am sure you would agree that "should" is a fine word, but I'd point out that this isn't just about vandalism (where your brief extract is taken from) but also about the extensive and regular disruption that this range of IPs is causing to Wikipedia generally. Look in that section and you will note: "For static IPs and user names, such blocks should initially last 24 hours, but repeat violators may be blocked for increasing lengths of time." (my bold) These are static IPs and blocks of increasing length have been tried over more than a year and have clearly failed despite clear and many-times-repeated "final" warnings. The policies of Wikipedia are there to assist the project, they are not a bureaucratic straightjacket that prevents us dealing with issues however. I would really like an alternative to permablocking these addresses, but there just isn't one. We have to be realistic about that. --AlisonW 22:17, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
For those interested, see discussion here and this related TfD. Prodego talk 22:21, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
I support this, so long as each IP address has a note on providing reasons why the IP address is on a long-term / indefinite block, and the procedure to get the block rescinded if an actual contributor strays onto the IP address. Which at the moment seems unlikely, as those addresses have provided nothing but vandalism, but may change in the future. Proto///type 09:47, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

User:Ned Scott[edit]

User:Ned Scot had been repetively opposing me on a range of articles lately. I find this to be most disruptive borderlining stalking if not crossing. Examples of behaviour:

--Cat out 21:53, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

That's a rather trippy Dutch alternative to my username... for a sec I almost thought that I was the one being discussed here. :-) Netscott 23:35, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Wow! I actually though we were talking about you...I should read closer....name is too similar... --mboverload@ 03:52, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Strikes me as a content dispute for the time being, especially since these reverts are being discussed, and are on similar topics. However, comments such as "I'm not required to follow guidelines and I don't unless I agree with them" from Cool Cat do make me a bit nervous. --InShaneee 03:58, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
No a case of guideline enforcement. I will post a more detailed explanation of my stance on your talk page. --Cat out 04:10, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Peter_Snoufax (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log)[edit]

The account "Peter Snoufax" is making very bizarre edits.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Fonnzy (talkcontribs)

"Wikipedia is Communism" vandal impersonator. Indef-blocked by me. Jkelly 22:48, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
As was Fonnzy (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log), who made the report above. Jkelly 22:52, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Sockpuppet Creation Incident[edit]

originally posted @ WP:VP/A

My log says I created User:Red Frog, although I did not. I asked earlier about what I should do, what effects it will have on me, etc. I know who created it, so if he changes his username, will it help anything? Green caterpillar 23:14, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Answered on user talk page. --pgk(talk) 06:58, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Wiki user06[edit]

Wiki user06 (talk · contribs) seems to be another vandalism-only account. /Magore 07:58, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

WP:AIV, please. El_C 08:23, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

DoS from AOL 207.200.116.*[edit]

As reported in WP:AIV --WinHunter (talk) 08:27, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

About the AOL image vandal...and me[edit]

I have given up. I'm not going to revert any more AOL edits like this one. I'm going to skip right past.

The feeling of hopelessness is immense. I'm sitting there with Vandal Proof watching edits by that user go by faster than I can revert them. I don't even bother leaving warnings. He will just change his IP with the next edit anyway. I just try and reduce the damage. It's a whole IP range. I jump the hell on IRC, yelling for someone to help me but no one does. An admin finally blocks it, but I see other admins seeing the same vandalism as me, reverting the same vandalism as me, and they don't do anything. What kind of climate are we living in when a sophisticated vandal with an efficient system (3+ vandal edits every 30 seconds, or an edit every 10 seconds) wrecking havoc with our encyclopedia gets to scare off our administrators just because he uses AOL? Even when the range WAS BLOCKED, it was ONLY FOR 15 MINUTES. The vandal promptly started up again and that's when I decided to throw in the towel. This isn't just some kiddie at his school putting in "omg lol" into articles. This is a determined vandal who knows our system with its red tape and silly rules can't stop him. He has the power and he knows how to exploit it.

"But mboverload," you say, "obvious vandalism is easy to revert and it only took a few minutes even if you had to look on in horror as thousands of peoples' work was being destroyed." Well, why don't we just let stupid criminals out of prison after 15 minutes? They learned their lesson. Stores can always get their money back from insurance and it's easy to spot them with the security cameras, right? Even if that were true in real life, it still wouldn't be acceptable. People hate being violated and they want to protected.

I don't know what's wrong with me. I'm supposed to be understanding about this. But maybe I'm just the cop that realises that it's a completely hopeless battle; we will never win. Every day we go back out there and we hand out warnings and we watch as they commit more vandalism and we hand out and other warning and then we watch them do it again, all in the name of due process. Criminals don't get 4 warnings. They get TASERed. Maybe I'm burned out. Maybe I need a wikibreak. Maybe I don't care enough about all the good that comes out the the AOL IP addresses with 8 blocks. Maybe I need to calm down. Maybe I need to think of the children. Maybe I need to shut the hell up and make a sandwich. --mboverload@ 07:19, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

if not enough people willing to spend their time reverting this are online, the entire range should be blocked. It's not like we'll get enough worth to counterbalance the damage out of the AOL range in the meantime. AOL either needs to collaborate in preventing this, or live with their IP range blocked much of the time. dab () 07:28, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Agreed...tough luck I say...editing here is a priviledge.--MONGO 07:29, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Its obvious vandalism. Easy to revert and the collateral damage would be huge. Seriously, but you're the only one with this huge obsession with this vandal. I'm content with the edits being reverted. The good coming out of the AOL IP's vastly outweighs the bad, blocking that range would be more disasterous then any vandal could possibly be. Our ultimate goal is writing an encyclopedia, not being elitist towards anons and AOL in paticular. As long as those using AOL contribute towards that goal, we just need to revert the vandals. Denying millions of contributers access fundamentally diverges from the wiki philosophy. -Mask Flag of Alaska.svg 07:32, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
When I come across more vandalised pages by accident (i.e. while not on RC patrol or looking at my watchlist), I might get behind a block on an entire ISP, but right now in my whole time reading Wikipedia I can only remember coming across three vandalised pages by accident, and I can't even remember what they were, though I do remember all but one were very obscure. Sure, if you go looking for vandalism, you will, shock horror, find lots of it, but that's not the impression the average reader will get.
I'm fairly understanding of those who block shared IPs for long periods, but people who are blocked at school can just go home - when people are blocked at home it's a major inconvenience. Roll on WP:BPP... --Sam Blanning(talk) 08:36, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Any time the vandal's giving you trouble, mboverload, drop a note on my talk page, and if I'm on I'll block the range for 3 hours. I'm truly not afraid of blocking AOL one bit for as long as need be, and have blocked that range for relatively long times before (as far as I know, my blocks of this range have never once been undone), and I truly don't think that many users are that harmed by it, with a couple of exceptions for whom solutions are typically found quite quickly. I get the impression that AOL simply doesn't give a damn about abuse, and AOL users are typically quite used to getting shitty service from their ISP--they'll understand, or perhaps consider changing to a decent provider. If a few users are unable to edit from home for some time, I think it's well worth it. This vandal, and many others, are quite well aware of the effort we put into ensuring that no AOL user ever be unable to edit, and they just sit back and laugh at our wasted effort. It is absolutely absurd to expect anyone--mboverload, myself, etc.--to simply "revert and warn" this vandalism without blocking, and anyone who does not find this expectation absurd obviously has not been involved in the clean up (as mb stated, we're not dealing with the dumb schoolboy vandal here). Might I propose that we at least keep this range blocked between the hours of 5 and 15 UTC (midnight and 10am pacific time) when nobody except the few of us are available to deal with it? I, like mboverload, simply refuse to clean up this crap anymore, and why should we with that nifty block button there? By the way, we're not talking all of AOL, just the pacific coast branch. I would really like to return to editing... AmiDaniel (talk) 09:19, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your post AmiDaniel, thanks. I get mad at the regular vandals but I'm fine with that in the long run. It's just these people who take advantage of an ISP that doesn't care is what makes me mad. Even madder at someone who is this smart (I have heard that he must have found a special way to get a new IP address each time, it's not the regular behavior usually). And when we block a range he can just disconnect and call another number. God...I hate dialup. Maybe I'm madder at AOL than the actual user. It's just so awful that there is a stereotype of the AOL user, and they seem to reinforce it to me every hour. Thank you =)--mboverload@ 09:27, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

One more time: blocks of AOL should never exceed :15. The bad outweighs the good? Hmm. Let's see: yesterday I wrote two full articles with references, cleaned out some CSD's, and added to four prosody articles. I mediated the behavior of someone about to get a block, and I tried to put the brakes on some overzealous blocking on this page. Sure, I can see why you might think that the bad outweighs that tiny amount of good. This is not a debate: our policy says that you will not block AOL for longer than :15. If AmiDaniel's block hasn't been overturned, that's just luck, because, although I've not before wanted to get involved in unblocking and wheel warring, the kind of attitude I'm seeing from you people is enough to pull me off the sidelines. If what I'm saying is changing tone too many times, just remember this do not block AOL for longer than :15. Oh, and you can put your prejudice aside. Your denunciations of AOL are as well reasoned as meeting drunken sailors and concluding that all the people of a nation are hideous. If you don't know who the AOL contributors are doing any good, it's because you're vandal hunting. Geogre 11:46, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Blocks of AOL should be based on preventing vandalism from AOL. It should be as wide-ranging and as long as necessary to accomplish this goal. Since AOL is making it impossible to lay a narrowly-targeted block on an AOL vandal, AOL users have no reasonable expectation of not being blocked. The problem here is with AOL's conduct towards the rest of the Internet, not Wikipedia admin's conduct. AOL's randomizing proxies are a big fat "screw you" to anyone who's trying to deter vandalism, harassment, or other abuse and criminality. --FOo 16:33, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Where is this policy which says no more than 15 minutes? WP:BLOCK doesn't mention it, the block page says "Please keep blocks in these ranges to 15 minutes or less" that isn't a never. The reality if the blocking should be proportional to the issue, in this case it appears to be bot like rapid vandalism e.g. 20+ edits per minute, in which case a range block does seem in order. If initial 15 minute blocks don't stop it then increase in length does seem appropriate. --pgk(talk) 17:17, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Gosh, and here I thought the block page had precedence over zeal. You know why you think AOL users are a problem? You are vandal hunting. If you clean septic tanks all day, you'll be convinced that no one does anything but poop. Do you think Time Warner AOL will be harmed by your virtuous scourging of its users from Wikipedia? Do you think that the users will either gain the money or expertise necessary to switch ISP's? Do you believe that other ISP's will suddenly appear with dial-up connections in their areas? No, in fact, reverting vandals is not sufficient justification for wiping out an entire ISP. Do you feel free to ignore policy, consensus, and practice and block entire school systems? They do more damage by far. If not, then please drop the anti-corporate attitude when it means blocking innocent contributors. Geogre 18:36, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

The semi-block idea sounds very interesting. Yes,something must be done about AOL vandalism, and waiting for AOL to do it seems a forlorn hope. I put my faith in the clever developers giving a software solution top priority now. Meanwhile, do you rangeblock enthusiast really know the situation of the good users being affected by the AOL blocks? And what the encyclopedia loses through that situation? Do you see, above, that the fine admin and exceptional Featured-article writer Geogre can barely edit at all nowadays? I know him, so I know his situation. I also know the equally virtuous and even more unfortunate User:WBardwin, who was invisibly pipelinked to in AmiDaniel's post above as one of "a couple of exceptions [to the rule that three-hour blocks of the whole range aren't much of a problem] for whom solutions are typically found quite quickly". Really, a solution has been found for WBardwin? No, it hasn't. His polite, resigned unblock requests still pop up on my watchlist most days. This amazingly patient editor still tries, and to a certain extent manages, to edit Wikipedia--if I were WBardwin, I would have given up long ago. Take a look at his talkpage, and click from it to his special subpage about his AOL blocks: it's horrendous. So, just by accident I know two users who are hugely impacted by the AOL blocks. This suggests to me that there are many, many more. PLease keep AOL blocks to 15 minutes or less. And PLEASE work on a software solution for the vandalism! I find the pointlessness of blocking vandals or edit warriors when they come in from AOL as frustrating as anybody. Bishonen | talk 18:22, 19 June 2006 (UTC).
I don't understand why logged-in users have problems with AOL blocks. I never do, I must just be lucky. User:Zoe|(talk) 18:26, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
It is luck, Zoe. (Gasp! Another admin using AOL? But, above, we were told that AOL is far and away more evil for Wikipedia than good!) I've been stuck with Netscape ISP for over a year and a half. Netscape is owned by AOL, so it runs my IP through its pool. For 10 months or more, I never had collateral damage. In the past 6-8 months, though, I find myself blocked at least twice a day. Being an admin, I can get around it, but the kind of shotgun approach to vandal fighting being actually encouraged in this thread is simply ignorant. Geogre 18:40, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
At a guess I would say it is due to not useing the AOL browser.Geni 00:58, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Nope. I use Mozilla and don't use AOL. I simply have an ISP (Netscape) that's owned by AOL. That means my IP's don't roll with every single page load, but they roll pretty darned often all the same. I don't like the practice any more than anyone else, but the answer isn't to go to scorched earth policies. We need that earth. Geogre 03:19, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

for the record, I never meant to suggest we should block the entire AOL range for long periods. I meant to suggest that if there is an auto-redialling vandalbot run on AOL, we should block AOL for :15 without remorse, and for another :15 if it persists, and for yet another :15, and another :15, essentially amounting to a permablock for as long as the wanker continues to run his bot. dab () 21:45, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

It's tedious and laborious, but I think you're right Dab. If it's an image popper, we can certainly make the image unavailable for the duration, as well. However, I think this particular vandal knows full well that he's causing collateral damage and is, in fact, using that damage as part of his vandalism. Geogre 03:19, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Isn't the software solution easy? Give MediaWiki the range of AOL proxy server IP addresses (these are well known), and if the IP address is blocked but the user account isn't, let its edits go through. This is a sort of "semi-block" that allows registered users to edit. Also, disable autoblocker on these ranges. --Cyde↔Weys 20:46, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Ceiling cat vandal[edit]

Somebody needs to do something about those "ceiling cat" AOL vandals who keep inserting Image:Ceiling cat 00.jpg. I've blocked 152.163.0.0/16 several times, but they just didn't seem to stick. Have I used the range block suffix incorrectly? In any case, they've been doing a lot of damage recently. -- King of Hearts 22:46, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

I'd suggest moving your comment to incidents. You'll get a quicker response, and it appears from your message that this is an urgent issue.--Ikiroid 23:03, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Cyde blocked 152.163.100.0/24 for 3 hours at around 23:07 UTC, so it should stick now... Bornhj 23:42, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
I've deleted the image. Why didn't anybody do that before? User:Zoe|(talk) 01:39, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
I looked at it a few times, showed it to my kids, and we all had a giggle. Was it a deletable image? If so, fine (and honestly I find it difficult to imagine that it had an encyclopedic use). If not, it could have been put into the bad images file. --Tony Sidaway 01:45, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
I can't prove it but it had every sign of being a copyvio (user with few edits uploading an image that has serious circulation in internet pop culture).Geni 01:47, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
It's funny, but adds no value to the encyclopedia, tempts the idiots to put it in articles, and is dubious copyright-wise as well. That says delete to me. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 18:34, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
  • I seriously doubt that they are actually a "they", the thing that people don't quite seem to understand about AOL is that contrary to myth, AOL isn't actually filled to the brim with thousands upon thousands of vandals, there's simply a hand full of idiots, who unfortunatly get new IPs every page, so it seems like a much more prolific problem then it really is. I mean there are millions of registered users on AOL, if even 1% of them were actually vandals, AOL would be a MUCH larger problem then it really is--64.12.116.65 00:14, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
AOL isn't actually filled to the brim with thousands upon thousands of vandals I disagree =D --mboverload@ 03:36, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

User Googleyii[edit]

It seems that the account Googleyii (talkcontribs) is intended only for vandalism (disruption of Wikipedia, as for example a malicious AfD nomination of France, and adding of nonsense to other articles in general) as well as harassment of other editors. Why not ban this user permanently, instead of letting him or her return to cause more damage after each block expires, before someone adds another block? /Magore 02:18, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

I think this is an editor who got off to a bad start editing articles about his home town and his school. He got into some wrangles about it with User:Adolphus79 and responded inappropriately, and it kind of spiralled out of control from there. I disagree that it's a vandalism-only account; more of an inexperienced and immature user who got burned and is lashing out. A friendly personal comment on his talk page might do some good; stop signs and stern warnings will only guarantee he continues along his current path. · rodii · 03:09, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Are you sure? By the law of Userbox Ratios and Averages, where the likelihood of creating a valid edit is inversely proportional to the number of userboxes you have on his page, I don't really see anything good coming from this user. Not until he grows up and matures a bit out of this spoiled myspace mentality, at least. --Golbez 18:26, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
I can't deny he's created more disruption than value in his tenure so far. But he has tried to add good information to Chambersburg, Pennsylvania (see [16]) and Battle of Gettysburg. Not the highest-quality edits to be sure, but not what I would characterize as a "vandalism-only" editor either. · rodii · 18:37, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
On the other hand, his edits (and userboxes) betray some similarities to Griffjam aka Dormantsoviet, so who the hell knows? Maybe I'm a sucker. · rodii · 18:42, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Well, maybe the question is what will happen when the current block expires. And as stated, this user has done far more to disrupt than to contribute, and although I might be wrong in my assumtion that this is a vandalism-only account (I didn't go that far back in the history of this account), that might be the only use from now on. I see no reason or gain in being lenient towards vandals, not when it's so obvious that the edits have been made in bad faith. /Magore 17:19, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Bae Yong Joon and User:Fabshelly[edit]

Currently, I am discussing matters with this newly-registered user, who is rather hostile. His edits on this article, to my judgement, can be considered as vandalism, a charge which he denies. From the attitude of his messages, he has even reverted an NPOV notice (see history [17], which clearly reflects his NPOV behaviour Wikipedia:NPOV but currently he has refused to change for a better to edit in accordance to at least a near non-NPOV and wikipedian style. Unnecessary notices, such as "Information here is from his official website, byj.co.kr. Google is not a verifiabe source of information on Bae Yong Joon. " is pasted on the article, a behaviour reflected on Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. Last but not least, this user has been accusing me of adding false information when I have given proper citations (See Wikipedia:Reliable Sources and Talk:Bae Yong Joon). Also, while communicating with me on User talk:Fabshelly, words, amounting to abusive criticism, like "cowardly" and "doesn't make you morally superior." have been used against me. I have pasted a replica on Bae's talk page.

For more information, please refer to Talk:Bae Yong Joon. Admin help on Bae Yong Joon is greatly needed and appreciated. I need admin justification and judgement to User:Fabshelly's conduct on Bae, as I am not good at manoveruing my words against him, and work out a compromise eventually. Mr Tan 14:56, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

I have posted messages to User talk:Centrx in response to Fabshelly's second time of removing the "dispute" and "cleanup" templates while he pasted up the notices. Apparently this user has strong NPOV/non-neutral feelings while editing the article, which is against wikipedia's policy. Thus admin judgement and/or dispute resolution against him is necessary to calm matters down. Mr Tan 06:14, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

(Allow me to interject) Fabshelly's edits is clearly an evidence of a violation of Wikipedia:Content disclaimer, a segment page of Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, which is official policy. Thus appropriate disciplinar actions enforced by admins is essential if he continues to violate policies and guidelines imposed by wikipedia. Mr Tan 03:32, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Megaman Zero (talk · contribs)[edit]

Good day, all. This user has been (for about a week now) unilaterally slashing out the "spoiler" tags from at least a hundred game-related articles. He doesn't use the talk page, and doesn't give any explanation in his summaries. His removal of the tags is wrong in all of the instances he's done it in (for example, in the Resident Evil 4 article it talks about the specific death of a main character during the course of the game), and there are elements within those storylines that a user casually reading the article might not want revealed to them without prior notice. Other users have asked him to stop repeatedly, but he hasn't listened to them, instead filing false "Request For Investigation" [18] attempts and trying to get Mongo involved in order to "get his way". So far I've managed to repair the damage that he's caused via reversion, but trying to fix everything is getting to be really, really aggravating.

As evidence, I present the articles relating to Resident Evil 0, RE1, RE2, RE3, RE: Code Veronica, RE4, as well as pages directly associated with characters in those series, including Luis Sera, Osmond Saddler, Leon S Kennedy and Bitores Mendez. 24.19.96.143 20:01, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

[19], [20], [21], [22], [23], [24], [25], [26], [27]

This is a content dispute. Take it to Wikipedia:Requests for comment. --Tony Sidaway 21:19, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Oh I've been doing it for quite a bit longer than a week. -ZeroTalk 10:50, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Happy Camper[edit]

User:Happycamper has been reverting a persons comments off talk pages. you can see complaints on User_talk:Michael D. Wolok. Please take appropriate action. Geo. 01:05, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

It appears to be on par with Wikipedia:Spam#Internal_spamming; no further action is needed. El_C 01:21, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Michael D. Wolok pertains to HappyCampers actions and decision to withdraw. -lethe talk + 14:45, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Suspected Sockpuppet of User:NoToFrauds[edit]

User Terminator III (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log) edits the same pages, has the same uncivil behavior toward User:Hamsacharya_dan (putting a photo of feces on dan's userpage), and has the same style as indefinitely blocked user NoToFrauds (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log). It seems he's evading his block. 66.132.130.15 01:59, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

I see some similarities, but nothing conclusive. Have comparative diffs? RadioKirk (u|t|c) 17:06, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Well, this is odd; User:Terminator III claims to use "sockpuppets" (actually, two IPs that trace back to the University of California, Irvine). One of these, User:128.195.111.122, was the recipient of two somewhat incivil messages (here and here) left by User:NoToFrauds, and both IPs have been tagged as suspected socks of User:Hamsacharya_dan. Yet, 66.132.130.15 (whose only contribs are here) suggests User:Terminator III is a sock of User:NoToFrauds? Something isn't working... RadioKirk (u|t|c) 17:28, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Permanent deletion of malicious identifying information?[edit]

I know this can be done because I have seen it done. Basically one editor has abused the edit summary facility here in an attempt to maliciously post identifying information about me, I would very much like that permanently deleted if it is possible...no point sanctioning the user because he never comes back on the same IP twice these days. --Zeraeph 13:09, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Done. Eugène van der Pijll 15:32, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks :o) --Zeraeph 15:41, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Rhotic and non-rhotic accents[edit]

Hi. Please move Rhotic and non-rhotic accents back to that title; it has been redirected to "Nonrhoticism on wheels!". It was moved by User:Y2K .. Also, the first sentence says "Please help me. I don't want to be blocked again. I am User:Hephaestos. Hephisis 15:19, 21 June 2006 (UTC)" -- Reinyday, 15:25, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

  • It's been moved. I'm going to remove Hephaestos' comment. -- Reinyday, 15:26, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Also, User:Sleehw added "Wheels wheels wheels!" -- Reinyday, 15:28, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
    • It wasn't Hephaestos. The real Hephaestos wouldn't be nearly as whiny. User:Zoe|(talk) 23:52, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

What I want to know is why Curps's bot didn't block him for pagemove vandalism. --Mr. Lefty Talk to me! 17:02, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Proposal of community ban for Frater FiatLux[edit]

I propose that Frater_FiatLux (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log) be banned from Wikipedia for being intentionally disruptive. Facts to follow. -Baba Louis 16:44, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Any such follow-up should be at Wikipedia:Requests for comments. Please follow our dispute resolution system. Thanks. Jkelly 17:01, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Done. The RfC is here. ---Baba Louis 15:46, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Ceiling cat vandal: 2![edit]

It seems we have a return of the ceiling cat vandal, this time in the 152.163.100.* range. Just thought everyone would like to know that. --Mr. Lefty Talk to me! 18:49, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

He/she is also vandalizing from the 207.200.116.* range again as well. -Big Smooth 19:25, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
I've been reverting a ton of this in the last few minutes. I'd suggest blocking the range for a few minutes. --Alphachimp talk 02:11, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Blocked 152.163.100.0/24 for 15 minutes. RadioKirk (u|t|c) 02:15, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm really sorry I was so angry, above. This is how to handle the situation, exactly, as those are (sigh) the AOL ranges. I even have a sneaking sensation that the vandal operates at relatively predictable times. I wish AOL didn't do things this way, but I also wish Microsoft weren't evil. Geogre 03:06, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
No need to apologize. Anger means you're passionate about protecting wikipedia. --mboverload@ 03:34, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
How about we block AOL for :15 in response to an AOL vandal? (Half-serious, but vandals seem to jump ranges.) — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 17:26, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

User to watch.[edit]

Not sure where to post this, but User:Naveen Sankar had an infobox on his user page, which falsely claimed him to be an administrator. I removed it. Based on editing history, I suspect that this user and User:Aanand Pranav Sharma are the same person, and that the same person also uses many other usernames and IP addresses (e.g. User:Wiki Administrator of Physics and User:Austin Maxwell.) Amusingly, the user pages of the first two accounts I listed seem to have based their opening paragraph on the one from my own user page.--Srleffler 22:39, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

  • I had a similar thing with User:Notanerd, which copied my user page in whole, and the talk page of another user.--Pharos 07:41, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Request blocking for User:Onestone[edit]

This user has been involved in a number of controversies and I now request that he/she be blocked for the following three reasons: A) They engage in blanking and vandalism (example example2 B)They engage in personal attack on talk pages example C) They have removed allegations of vandalism and other things on the now blocked Moderator3000. Which makes me think they could be a sockpuppet of Moderator. example Thank-you. Nobleeagle (Talk) 23:24, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Twenty-four hr block, for now. El_C 23:58, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Office Space[edit]

I'm having a slight disagreement with Leflyman (talk · contribs) at Office Space. Per provision 3 of WP:V and also Jimbo's comments therein, I removed some unsourced fan trivias and cite-tagged a couple of others. Leflyman has twice reverted me, the second with the edit summary "revert unwarranted deletions". I've pointed out the relevant policy on the article talk page and left a couple of (thus far unanswered) messages on his talk page. What to do? Deizio talk 23:49, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Seems we've come to an agreement. Deizio talk 01:48, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
  • It's not really necessary to rush to the notice board for minor disputes over verifiability of trivia. As noted at WP:AN, "Please be aware that these pages aren't the place to bring disputes over content, or reports of abusive behaviour..."--LeflymanTalk 01:57, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

User:Biff_loman9 has been blocked indefinitely[edit]

I just blocked Biff loman9 indefinitely. This started as a personal attack case, so I blocked him for 24 hours. Almost immediately, he started using socks to get around the block. So I blocked him for 3 days. So then we got this, we went up to 9 days. And then he pledged to continue using socks. So I blocked him indefinitely. And this is just a small sample. All of the contributions of 67.71.143.54, 67.71.142.157 and a bunch of other IPs in the 67.71.143.* and 67.71.142.* ranges. I ask that others watchlist Thanos for sure. --Woohookitty(meow) 01:18, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

The user in question just kept on trolling. The block is entirely legitimate given the circumstances, in my opinion -- Samir धर्म 03:39, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
He uses a dynamic IP so stopping him is going to be a challenge. --Woohookitty(meow) 04:52, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

User:A Sister and a Lover[edit]

A Sister and a Lover (talk · contribs · logs) I'm concerned by this username and the edit summaries to some articles. Yanksox (talk) 06:17, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Me thinks this could be related to Incestuous amour (talk · contribs · logs), blocked indef, who edited these pages above. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 06:32, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
The edit summaries are telling and sway the balance to indef block in my opinion -- Samir धर्म 06:33, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Oh yeah, that's him. Note the null edits, only changing like 1 space. --Rory096 07:49, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

AOL Range block[edit]

Although I have no objections to raising blocks above 15 minutes for persistant AOL vandalism, the current block of 1 week [28] seems extreme. Since I can't find any mention of this 1 week block I am loathe to remove it without knowing what escalation in problems caused it. And as I am not going to be around I can't unblock and monitor it. Can someone look into this. --pgk(talk) 07:42, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Already unblocked by Dmcdevit. If this was for the Ceiling cat dude, there's no need to block for a week, he's constantly changing ranges. (Oddly he usually waits the 15 minutes until the block expires, though.) --Rory096 07:51, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I am off to bed, but I'd appreciate it if someone could watch User talk:WBardwin and make sure he's able to edit again. Range blocking AOL for any length of time is a seriously silly idea which will always prevent valuable contributors from editing. Dmcdevit·t 08:03, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Whoever blocked for a week was way out of line. Vandalism is bad. Contributors are better. Geogre 13:07, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
There have been times where I have been forced to range block an AOL range, though I only do it for 15 minutes (usually makes them stop) and only in an emergency. That time it was a person creating talkpages of pornographic spam, while constantly switching IPs. 1 week is excessive though. Sjakkalle (Check!) 13:18, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Encyclopediabaxter and Reecenelson sockpuppets[edit]

This edit together with the vandalism on William Clarke College suggests to me Encyclopediabaxter (talk · contribs) and Reecenelson (talk · contribs) are sockpuppets of each other and I wouldn't be surprised if there were more. Is a checkuser to find any as of yet undiscovered vandalism by other accounts from their IP appropriate? - Mgm|(talk) 11:04, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Permanent deletion of malicious identifying information - AGAIN[edit]

For the second time one editor has abused the edit summary facility here in an attempt to maliciously post identifying information about me, I would very much like that permanently deleted...no point sanctioning the user because he never comes back on the same IP twice these days see: Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Samvak(2nd). Thanks in anticipation. --Zeraeph 11:22, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Done. Note that the anonymous editor seems to come from a narrow IP range, so perhaps an IP range block is in order. I'm not too familiar with that, though, so I will leave that to someone else. Eugène van der Pijll 13:04, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
And once again thanks, for such a swift response --Zeraeph 13:05, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Constantine Conspiracy...Doc/Ril[edit]

I seem to have entered theAuthentic Matthew mess! I used http://pedia.nodeworks.com/A/AU/AUT/Authentic_Matthew/ (a big mistake)! I am not able to defend myself against DocUser:-Ril- ! Would an admin please look into this very bad situation --MeBee 02:43, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

This is the subject of a current checkuser request. Thatcher131 13:18, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

User 213.232.79.149[edit]

There are multiple warnings and block messages on this users talk page. (I hope this is the correct place to put this note up) Again, this morning the user vandalized another page. This time another User's page. Not sure what is done to mulitple offenders but will place here to find out! Lsjzl 14:30, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Blocked 2 months (previous 1-month block failed to get the message over). In the future, please take these to WP:AIV. Thanks. :) RadioKirk (u|t|c) 14:44, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Mass category creation by Imthehappywanderer[edit]

In the last 2 days or so, Imthehappywanderer (talk · contribs) has created over 150 new categories. I don't know if that's a problem or not but I've never seen that kind of behavior before and it looks odd. New account too, about 14 days old. Thatcher131 14:32, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Comment See the user's talk page as well. Multiple other users have left comments on either recreated categories (previous deletes) or circular categories. Lsjzl 14:35, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Manipulating RFC[edit]

I already posted a complaint regarding the blatant manipulation of a poll. Nobody responded. The RFC I started was deleted, after restoring it the same editor is altering that RFC.[29][30][31] Can somebody please interven, since when I deal with this vandalism I get blocked! Nomen NescioGnothi seauton 15:26, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Its not a RFC first of all, I have told you that numerous times. Second you are attempting to classify everyone vote on a semi-related poll to fit your interpretation. I removed your commentary on what you feel those people were saying with their votes and added the vote count + the questions. Which is more appropriate then you summarizing what you think those 10 people were saying into 1 sentence. You also removed the comments I added to that poll when you first completely misrepresented what was even being asked in the poll. The polls are about infoboxes not about the general question of if the WOT and War in Iraq are related, no matter how much you attempt to slant it to be about that. And stop posting your NPA / Vandalism tags on my page. --zero faults |sockpuppets| 15:36, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
You also removed my comments from it [32] You did not want to mention that did you? --zero faults |sockpuppets| 15:39, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Of course there is then me being called a zealot. [33] --zero faults |sockpuppets| 15:45, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

How can this not be a RFC when it is filed as such? Please somebody interven. This is ridiculous, this user is gaming the system, deleting every comment contrary to his political view in a RFC and I simply do not know what to do next. Nomen NescioGnothi seauton 15:51, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Its a straw poll ... --zero faults |sockpuppets| 15:55, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
That right there is the problem with this user "contrary to his political view". Your political opinion does not belong on Wikipedia. NPOV. My political opinion is not what can be supported by facts, and so I do not force it on others. --zero faults |sockpuppets| 15:57, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
If political view is not important than you sure3ly do not object on any RFC trying to ascertain the facts. Do tell why you nevertheless feel the need to rewrite the RFC to suit your political view. Nomen NescioGnothi seauton 16:11, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

So, your complaint is that User:Zer0faults has been deleting your comments from Talk:Iraq War, thus: [34], claiming that they are "a straw poll"? Is that the issue? Deleting of other's comments from an article's talk page is almost never acceptable. FeloniousMonk 16:00, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

That is why I post it on AV and here. Again Zero did the same several days ago (see history for my comments on it on this page) and got away with it since nobody feels it needs intervention. Interestingly I got blocked for 3RR when I restored my comments at that time. Nomen NescioGnothi seauton 16:07, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
OK, looking over the Usertalk page of Zer0faults, here and here, it appears he has an longstanding and ongoing personal grudge against you. Viewed in that light his actions at Talk:Iraq War are petty harassment. That needs to stop. FeloniousMonk 16:12, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Did you look at Nomens page and see people asking him to participate instead of reverting? Did you look at what he was adding in? a misrepresentation of peoples votes in a poll. --zero faults |sockpuppets| 17:13, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

His petty comments on my person I have no problem with. Some people never grow up. However, the repeated removal and alterations of my comments I do object to. Al I ask is for somebody to step in and stop his vandalsim. Nomen NescioGnothi seauton 16:36, 22 June 2006 (UTC)


removed duplicate

He has now been warned by FeloniousMonk. I think further "harassment" actions will warrant test warnings, and a block when he reaches test3 or test4 and still continues the same behaviour. --Deathphoenix ʕ 16:51, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Excuse me but how dare you take his side simply because I remove NPA tags he puts on my user page. This woe is me act also involves him removing my comments from Iraq War talk page. Did anyone look into that before making a judgement? Did anyone look into his vandalism of WP:WOT? I highly doubt it, perhaps the admins here should research all points before making decissions based on his ability to put tags on my userpage as harrassment. This user also calls me a zealot and I get accused of having a grudge? Disgusting. Did either of you even look up his talk page and see people attempting to discuss the issue with him? He constantly ignores you and just reverts and I am harrassing, he violated NPA by callnig me a zealot, did he recieve a warning? --zero faults |sockpuppets| 16:59, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Furthermore his comment "Some people never grow up" on this very page is a violation of NPA. Yet noone wants to point that out I see. --zero faults |sockpuppets| 17:00, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm not taking anyone's side, but if I were to, I can do without these indignant "how dare you" comments. I'm just responding to what FeloniousMonk said. Well, I suppose if you want to get technical, I am taking FeloniousMonk's side, because I trust his judgement, and he has looked into this case. --Deathphoenix ʕ 17:04, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
This isnt about Felonius, its about Nomen, and he insulted me right on this page, yet no warnnig is being issued to him for 2 violations of NPA. --zero faults |sockpuppets| 17:10, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
If he is making personal attacks, and someone else agrees, then someone will warn him too. If others don't judge that he is making personal attacks, then he won't. --Deathphoenix ʕ 17:25, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
He called me zealot, he just said "some users dont grow up". If I said this to you, would you not see it as a personal attack? If you are an admin then you can issue a warning, also another user has already complained about the zealot comment on Felonius's page. I do not see how I can have a grudge against someone, if they are the ones insulting me. --zero faults |sockpuppets| 17:28, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
I am going to cease participation in this discussion as it seems its obvious that nothing is going to get done about his personal attacks, and furthermore I am sure if I did as I am allowed, and placed a NPA tag on his page for them. I will be seen as harrassing him. I am tempted to say lots but, WP:POINT prevents me.--zero faults |sockpuppets| 17:30, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Justwant to mention that the "RFC" nomen is insisting about appears to be this: [35]

Which is in violation of posting a RFC as its stating a position, its even villifying the other side. --zero faults |sockpuppets| 17:39, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Since you admit it is a RFC and nobody has corrected what you perceive as incorrectly desribing the subject, I think we can conclude this debate. Nomen NescioGnothi seauton 18:13, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Are you even listening to each other? This supposed poll on the "war on terror" at Talk:Iraq War contains over 11,000 words posted in less than 36 hours, more than 90% by Nescio and Zer0faults. Stephen King writes less than that daily. You are both obviously immovable in your opinions, and no one else is willing to step into your fever swamp to offer an outside view because the atmosphere is so acrimonious. Tagging a person's talk page with personal attack warnings when he is an obvious established user is lazy and rude, and in the context of an ongoing content debate, obnoxious and thoroughly unhelpful. But you might as well argue about each other's behavior, because you're obviously not going to change each other's mind on the issue. Just don't come running to ANI any more like a coupe of eight year olds (he touched me! she touched me first! he's making faces at me!).

This is only the latest in a series of political articles you two have been fighting over, and the fifth or tenth time one of you has come running to ANI. I'm surprised no one has yet thought of filing an RFAR against both of you to get you both banned from political articles altogether. (Maybe Arbcom will see that one of you is clearly "right" -- but I doubt it.) Wikipedia is not a blog or a usenet newsgroup. Stop editing political articles, even if it means swallowing your pride and letting the other one "win." Find some way of dealing with each other before a solution gets imposed on you that you may like even less. Thatcher131 18:24, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

  • I was very strongly suggesting these guys file an RFC on the issues, but they shrugged that suggestion off, preferring instead to just yell at each other across various talk pages and noticeboards. If they won't take the suggestions to elevate this to RFC or RFAR, someone is going to have to do it for them, because the status quo is clearly unproductive, and the only people getting anything out of it are these two, who seem to enjoy arguing immensely. --Cyde↔Weys 18:27, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Both of you are absolutely right. That is why I filed the RFC. However, what do you suppose we do when that RFC gets deleted, and when I restore it somebody starts rewriting the criteria? I was only trying to get the suggested RFC from being deleted. But I will take your advise and remove myself from the article since clearly even a RFC is either not allowed or manipulated by some. Nomen NescioGnothi seauton 18:32, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Stop it already with the woe is me. I am not responding to you anymore after this. Participate wherever you want so you can stop bemoaning persecution. I will not respond to your comments or anything you do anymore, and I hope you cand ot he same for me. --zero faults |sockpuppets| 18:35, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
    • yself and another user have been attempting to get Nomen to talk to us about reaching a middleground, much like we did with Kizzle and was able to satisfy what they felt was wrong with the War on Terror title, they have since voted in favor of it, with a condition attached that it be put in quotation marks. However Nomen does not respond to other users attempting to work a middleground or even asking what would convince him otherwise. This is evident by his own talk page, and the fact that he just cahnged Mrdthree's vote on the poll he is creating. I not dealing with this user anymore, as he runs to AN/I when noone wants to participate in his poll. Especially when that poll calls for anyone who agree's that Iraq is part of the WOT to also state they do so regardless of evidence and are being unobjectionable. Anyone else see a POV problem with a person having to agree on the basis they do it withuot having any facts support them? I am sure he will see the lack of votes in that category as a win on his side however. As I said I am done, because his tactics to attempt to push his POV is leading to me getting in trouble while he says things in this very section about "Some people never grow up" and calls me a zealot without punishment. I as of this moment will no longer address this user. The end. --zero faults |sockpuppets| 18:30, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Shaw and Crompton[edit]

vandalism - assistance required. I have just try to clean up this overlong article by removing DUPLICATED information (info that is included in the infobox) and some irrelvant trivia. I have also reorganized by the info box by breaking it down into admin and geography. I believe all these are reasonable edits and within Wiki guidelines but have all bene reverted by what can only be described as a possessive editor. I wholeheartedly believe my edits improve the article and would welcome intervention. I have been accused of being a "sock puppet" by a person who seemingly reverts every single edit not made by him user:Jhamez84. Assitance would be appreciated. Thankyou. Filmfan1971 16:16, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Please note that this is a revenge attack. This user is a (5th) sock puppet (in so many days) of banned user User:Argol136. Please check the Shaw and Crompton edit history and my contributions.
Additionally, I will be presenting this IP address for an investigation for sock puppetry, and the Shaw and Crompton article is currently semi-protected because of this users constant targetting of the article. If an admin would indeed like to message me about this, please feel free. Jhamez84 18:16, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Ben Burch[edit]

crockspot (talk · contribs) has been using an off-site forum to organize a disruption of wikipedia regarding user:Ben Burch and the articles about him. They seem to hate him. Here's the link to the forum post. I'm not exactly sure what the point is but apparently crockspot wants to keep an article on Ben Burch and another user is going to oppose him so they can "Make it look realistic." Very strange.

Could someone leave a message on Crock's page warning him of this kind of behavior? ---J.S (t|c) 16:44, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Israel Shamir solicits meatpuppets to do his reverting for him[edit]

Israel_shamir (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log) is blocked for his activities at Israel Shamir and for racist attacks, see above, and meanwhile the article has been reverted to Shamir's preferred version by a brand new user, RhinoRick (talk · contribs). I blocked RhinoRick as an obvious sock, but now it turns out that he is more likely to be a meatpuppet, unblushingly recruited by Shamir through a message board[36]. (User:Denis Diderot sent me this link.) I think this action by Shamir warrants a longer block. See Wikipedia:Sock puppetry: "Advertising or soliciting meatpuppet activity is not an acceptable practice on Wikipedia". Bishonen | talk 16:27, 18 June 2006 (UTC).

  • I strongly agree. Also, semi-protecting the page in question for a bit might be warranted, as well. --InShaneee 16:56, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
    • Agree too. Block him and block all meatpuppets, as the more he edits, the more disruptive he becomes. Pecher Talk 17:00, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
      • I'm surprised he had not already been blocked indefinitely.--Mantanmoreland 17:36, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

There is no longer any room for assumption of either good faith or newbie ignorance. It's time to put this one to bed. Since I'm seeing little in the way of defense of this guy, we'll skip the "all in favor" and go directly to "Is anyone opposed to an indefinite block of this guy?" Tomertalk 20:20, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

My own feeling is that there are three different block discussions going on:
  1. User name violations
  2. Hate speech, repeated
  3. Calls for intervention and 3RR
and the three folks aren't talking to each other very clearly. As for #1: if the user has an article on himself, then he can't have the name, but the user shouldn't have a page about himself, because he is not actually substantial enough for the .se Wikipedia to have an article on him. As for #2: absolutely. This user's speech has been horrid and continuing. However, for process sake, I don't think an indefinite ban for hate speech is at all allowable. Personal attacks and bad speech is not sufficient, IMO. The user's edits are not all vandalism. Instead, they're all worthless, but worthless isn't vandalism. There are plenty of ArbCom cases of people calling each other "communist fascist" and the like, and since there are no priviledged classes, the mere hatred behind the terminology can't allow an indefinite block without consensus. For #3, the call for meatpuppets is at least a cause for resetting a 3RR block for the duration that the call for intervention is visible. In this case, I think the worst offense should be treated. To me, that's #2, not #3. I'd say a month block for repeated and pretty much sole attack and hate speech is appropriate and a referral to mediation/ArbCom after that month at the first sign of attack language. Incidentally, I think that Israel Shamir should be sent to AfD after the block is in place. If that is disrupted by any calls for intervention, etc., I'd say we're looking at an indefinite block. Geogre 21:00, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Geogre, from the point of view of the encyclopedia, I believe that the worst offense is not the hate speech, it's the "All edits worthless" and its concomitant "user is not here to build the encyclopedia". I've gone through his edits, and they may be divided into POV rants in article space, extreme personal attacks on userpages, and additions of useless external links. Following your argument I will block indefinitely for encyclopedic uselessness, not for the call for meatpuppets. Bishonen | talk 21:24, 18 June 2006 (UTC).

P. S. Excuse me, I forgot to mention that User:KimvdLinde who placed the week-long block is on wikibreak till the beginning of July, or I would have consulted with him, naturally. Bishonen | talk 22:33, 18 June 2006 (UTC).
No objection from this girl. -- Kim van der Linde at venus 23:03, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
I think that it would not change anything... -- Grafikm (AutoGRAF) 22:42, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Geogre: I think the only "problem" with the 3 simultaneous discussions/causes of action against this user is which each of us thinks is the worst of his blockable offenses, not that some of us regard one as a problem but not the other two, etc. I don't think we're talking past each other so much as saying "yeah, I saw that, but look at this! this is even more outrageous!", all the while agreeing that everything is sufficient cause to block him indefinitely. The guy needs to go for all three reasons, and I think sufficient evidence has been brought to demonstrate that an indefinite block for any of them will meet with zero admin disagreement. We can discuss and discuss all day which of his offenses is worst, but at the end of the day, the verdict is still an indefinite block. Cheers, Tomertalk 01:39, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm kind of terrible in being process oriented. I'm well aware that our dispute processes are...overburdened?...but I worry very much that a lack of dissent on one project page (this one) be taken for positive assent from the project. Again, I'm certainly not defending this person or his actions. I think he's probably irredeemable, but I'm concerned that we have all allowed "well, I'll mention it on AN/I" to replace our fuller, slower, but surer methods. I also don't like relying on "well, anyone else can block for a shorter time." Again, in no sense do I vouch for this anti-semite. I'm all for a block, and past offenses are plentiful, but past remediating actions aren't. Even though it won't do any good, I recommend a month. <shrug> I'm just one scold, but that's my nagging opinion. Geogre 02:48, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm not opposed to dragging it out, I just don't see any point in doing so, other than to placate the policymongers. If I think this discussion has served pretty well as an RfC, and I don't see how an RfM would go anywhere...I don't like to sound so dismissive of this guy, but sometime reality has to strike and say "THERE IS NO HOPE". As happens far too often, this guy would simply take the extra time he's given while we go through "process", to continue flagrantly violating every WP policy in existence (I can't think of one he hasn't violated, except perhaps naming conventions, but that takes productive editing to violate...), meanwhile productive editors are being tied up not only undoing his useless edits, but now also with compiling all the voluminous evidence against him for presentation. If it were to ever go as far as ArbCom, I think they'd be very annoyed with us wee little admins for having dumped such a clear-cut BAN ON SIGHT case on them, as though they don't have enough TRICKY cases to work on. My 3¢, for what it's worth. (inflation, you know... Teeth.png) Tomertalk 23:06, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

It's really very simple: multiple reasons for indefinite block. Ergo an indefinite block is warranted.--Mantanmoreland 13:47, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Vandal[edit]

Hi. user:Nagara373 is persistently vandalising pages. User also seems to have an IP sockpuppet, although I'm not sure. Would welcome intervention. --Dweller 11:08, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

  • I've dropped a welcome template on his talk and tried to explain his information was inappropriate. Hopefully this gets the message across. He doesn't seem particularly malicious, just newbie-ish. - Mgm|(talk) 11:52, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Nagara373 (talk · contribs) doesn't appear to heed any of the requests and warnings people have been posting to him and he keeps adding the same information over and over again (some of it copyrighted, some of it totally irrelevant to the article). I've now blocked him for 24 hours in the hope of getting his attention. My block message on his talk page invites him to discuss with others and asks him to read the messages on his talk page as well as the welcome message. - Mgm|(talk) 10:29, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

blocked, i.e. vandalism[edit]

TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN I HAVE NEVER ATTEMPTED TO EDIT ANY ARTICLE OR PAGE ON WIKIPEDIA, NOR HAVE I EVER VANDALIZED ANY ARTICLE OR PAGE. I HAVE BEEN A READER ONLY. I ALWAYS LOG IN BEFORE LOOKING UP ANY ARTICLE, AND YET I AM CONSTANTLY RECEIVING ACCUSATORY MESSAGES, AND AM AT PRESENT BLOCKED - WHICH I SUPPOSE DOESN'T MATTER SINCE I HAVE NO DESIRE TO EDIT ANYTHING. BUT IT IS ANNOYING NONETHELESS. ANY SUGGESTIONS WOULD BE APPRECIATED.— Preceding unsigned comment added by ShagT@aol.com (talkcontribs)

I've left a note for User:ShagT@aol.com, who is obviously an AOL user, pointing to Wikipedia:Advice for AOL users. FreplySpang 14:39, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
First suggestion, please don't TYPE IN ALL CAPS, this is considered "shouting". Second suggestion, cancel your AOL (be prepared to spend 45 minutes on the phone as they attempt to deflect the request in every way possible) and get a real Internet Service Provider. RadioKirk (u|t|c) 14:38, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Third suggestion: don't patronise people! :) As it happens, in the UK AOL are one of the few companies to offer unmetered (unlimited) broadband on a British Telecom line making them a good choice for a lot of technically savvy users! It's generally people who think they know the score but who actually know very little that make the tired old AOL crack.
Anyway: just a note to say, this thread has been answered at User talk:ShagT@aol.com. --kingboyk 14:41, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
I am one of a massive handful of people who believe AOL blows—even moreso now that I've dealt with some of the messes from an administrative standpoint. Calling someone an idiot (or the like) for using AOL would patronize; suggesting they get a real ISP is a deserved opinion. ;) RadioKirk (u|t|c) 17:24, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
UK AOL? Isn't that a contradiction? --Rory096 14:42, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Let's not get into that. My point is that being "superior" doesn't help. I'm surprised he wasn't told to switch to Linux and Firefox at the same time! :) --kingboyk 14:46, 22 June 2006 (UTC) (for the record: non-AOL user, has a Linux box with a handrolled kernel, uses Firefox despite its memory bloat)
So you didn't use a makisu on that kernel? ;) Syrthiss 14:56, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Demon, whom I use, also have unmetred access, and they aren't shit. --Sam Blanning(talk) 15:40, 22 June 2006 (UTC)


a loosely related question, why on earth do people see "you are blocked" messages before they even attempt to edit? It unnerves and angers readers for nothing. Block notices should only come up at the time a user attempts to do an edit, since, duh, they are blocked from editing. dab () 15:12, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

You don't see the blocked message until you edit (except for talk messages, like test5, of course). What do you mean? --Rory096 15:14, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
You do if you follow a red link, which of course is technically trying to edit it... --pgk(talk) 16:11, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Mystery not mysterious: If the user is an IP, or even if he isn't -- if he merely doesn't have "remember me on this computer" checked -- when he first gets to Wikipedia, he'll have "You have messages" lit up. When he clicks on that, he'll see "You are blocked, you nasty thing, you." The block message is directed at the IP, but, if he doesn't know that the IP is just one among thousands at AOL and that it's not directed at his user name, he could, before logging in, get the impression that it was directed at him. Given this user's, and many others', for that matter, technical expertise (and people who aren't good with computers may well be architects and entomologists and other highly intelligent, trained, and valuable persons who could crush the computer nerds making fun of them), it's quite possible for him to have that misunderstanding. Geogre 13:11, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

User:Mywayyy wanting to have it his wayyy[edit]

Mywayyy (talk · contribs) was blocked tonight for a massive revert war on multiple articles, removing the Turkish placenames from geographical articles about Greece (Kalymnos, Kos, Samos Island, Simi, Alexandroupoli and others). AN/3 report here: [37]. Now back continuing reverting under several anonymous IPs from the 88.218.*.* range:

Can we have a range-block, and/or extension of block on the main account? Fut.Perf. 14:40, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Have you run a WHOIS to see where the IP's resolve? If the guy is using a public library, kiosk, or school, we may have to be pretty delicate with a range block. Geogre 15:03, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Right now I'm having difficulties using the WHOIS. The WHOIS link in the checkip template above isn't resulting in anthing, and that in my popups has mysteriously vanished :-( Fut.Perf. 15:18, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
[38] - It's an ISP in Athens, Greece. 88.218.32.0 - 88.218.63.255 . —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 15:25, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Or 88.218.32.0/19. Saves space! Will (message me!) 15:34, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Non-static, then? I'd urge caution on any extended range blocks, but 24 hr can be a good starting point, and then we need to be very alert to collateral complaints. (Of course, if 24 hr goes by without collateral damage and the person resumes after that, going for a week would be logical. These nomenclature wars never end well.) Geogre 15:52, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Athens? I got Thessaloniki... Anyways, I listed the IPs at WP:RFCU. —Khoikhoi 21:37, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
I half expect Essjay over there is going to tell us that this is one of the obvious cases he refuses to check. But thanks for taking the trouble! Fut.Perf. 22:33, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Please guys, do something, he's still on it ... Fut.Perf. 05:07, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Help in massive deletion needed[edit]

Imthehappywanderer (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log) created quite a few circular categories. I started deleting them and then noticed there were more than THOUSAND created during 6 hours! Looks like he was running a bot. I blocked him for a while.

Now I need help in undoing his work. If someone of admins has some one-click tools or some spare time, please help. `'mikka (t) 15:32, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Suprised you haven't indef blocked them..--Andeh 15:42, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
He had useful edits before. Could have been a honest mistake. If he will not answer in 24h, indefinite it will go. `'mikka (t) 16:02, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
I don't understand here. How did he just create them, but there are already articles in these categories? Am I cleared to delete the ones where he is the only contributor, even tho[ugh there are articles populating the categories? Also, the user has been blocked indef for running a vandal bot.--Kungfu Adam (talk) 15:51, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Yes, it is a problem. Some editors already noticed some of his creations and properly recategoized them. So we cannot just run an anti-bot. Lots of manual work.
These were redlinked categories. YOu don't need a category to exist to put an article into it. You may just type in an article [[Category:bla bla bla]] and you got it. `'mikka (t) 16:02, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
I think this should be moved to another part of WP:AIV as the vandal has been blocked. And it's just a clean up job needed.--Andeh 16:02, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Try adding {{subst:js|User:AndyZ/sandbox.js}} one-click delete category js script. AndyZ 16:23, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

I deleted my 350+ categories. Who is next?pschemp | talk 04:51, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

They are all gone now. How about in the future we keep an eye on this type of thing? pschemp | talk 05:38, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Good work. I looked at the contribs earlier, looked at a few categories, thought about deleting them, but wasn't quite sure from what I saw, and from reading here, what exactly needed doing, so I didn't do anything. Glad you and others were able to suss out what was needful. What are the symptoms to watch for going forward, do you think? ++Lar: t/c 05:46, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Reversion judgement[edit]

I often run into a problem when reverting vandalism and blanking. I see things like this, where an anon removes controversial, yet unsourced information. What should I do? Was it right of them to remove this unsourced and possibly biased info, or should I revert it and start a consensus on the talkpage?--The ikiroid (talk·desk·Advise me) 17:19, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

I'd say it's a case-by-case thing... in this case, the info is extremely derogatory towards left-handers, so I support it being deleted until it can be properly sourced. - Merzbow 17:36, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
OK, thank you.--The ikiroid (talk·desk·Advise me) 02:02, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Massive undo of a vicious bot: hands needed[edit]

Please see Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Help_in_massive_deletion_needed. `'mikka (t) 19:08, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

User:Pnatt again, abusing his talk page for soapboxing[edit]

Pnatt is currently blocked until mid-July. His talk page was protected (by me) for repeated abuse of {{unblock}}, and was recently unprotected (not by me) after promises to stop. See [39]. He's now chosen to use his talk page to start a "USA Sucks Petition". [40] Quote: "I've made a petition where people can express their resentment towards the United States of America. America sucks because:" - and an expanding list follows, containing various gems, including "They can't even spell "colour" correctly" - Pnatt's blocks relate to edit warring over regional spelling variations, and some editors have claimed that the current block is over the top and that this time (that's the seventh time, counting fans) he'll stop for real if someone will only unblock him. The above gives me reason for doubt.

Obviously, that needs wiping from the page, and maybe this sub-Fark.com bullshit exhausts the last vestige of community patience that remains. But some other rouge admin can do this, not so much because I'm too involved, but because I'm tired of being the evil inquisitor unjustly burning the innocent martyr to the cause of the letter 'U' (see above link) and it's someone else's turn. --Sam Blanning(talk) 19:44, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

I've removed it and pointed him to WP:NOT --pgk(talk) 19:48, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Well he removed my comments and restored an updated version of his list, so I've removed and protected his talk page again. --pgk(talk) 20:02, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Template:Perpetual motion machine and Cox's timepiece[edit]

These two pages are currently in a revert war. It appears that some user from Kansas City keeps reverting a few times and then changing to another IP address. I would guess that this is probably User:Perpetual motion machine, who has been insistent upon saying that Cox's timepiece is a real perpetual motion machine that invalidates the second law of thermodynamics and most of modern physics. He has also started a revert war on Template:Perpetual motion machine, where he keeps replacing the very well known "Perpetual motion machine" with "Free energy device", claiming that Perpetual motion machine is somehow biased. Do I need to do a RFCU about this, or is this straightforward enough? Could someone look into doing something to stop this? --Philosophus T 19:52, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

I've just blocked 204. for 3RR which was a bit naughty of me William M. Connolley 20:04, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
I would like to point out that the current version does not make it clear that due to the fact that the machine is still powered by a limited although ambient energy source (rather similar to anything powered by solar panels) it can't really be called a perpetual motion machine since it could not exist for eternity.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 05:41, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Additional note - if a sock-check is done to determine if User:Perpetual motion machine is the string of edit-warring anons, it's probably a good idea to try to figure out what PMM's main account is, add add strongly-likely candidates to the sock check request. The PMM account appeared out of nowhere on June 1st and started creating templates and exhibiting other strong knowledge of the workings of Wikipedia, so it's probably a special-purpose account of a more established user. --Christopher Thomas 06:08, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Probable additional sock-puppet: USPatent (talkcontribs), who started editing on June 9th, and seems to have anomalous interest in template:perpetual motion machine. --Christopher Thomas 20:55, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

User:217.155.48.230 - repeated vandalism, no other contributions made[edit]

The article on Nigel Havers has been repeatedly vandalised by user 217.155.48.230. I keep cutting the childish rubbish out, but it keeps coming back. That user has not made any other contribution to wikipedia, so I think that person should be considered for banning from editing if this is possible. DrHydeous 20:03, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

The IP address hadn't received any warning. I've left {{test}} on their userpage. If they persist, please use WP:AIV to report them. Jkelly 20:07, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Closing of a move request poll - request for review[edit]

I closed a move request in what I thought was a very difficult case at