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Community ban on User:Hogeye[edit]

User:Hogeye was blocked for a month for disruption on anarchism related articles. Since then he has been consistently and almost on a daily basis (although with notable and lengthy lulls) been using open proxies to evade his block. Ideally I'd like to see a ban and indefinite block put in place, but I'd settle for something that we don't have to reset the block every couple of days :)

20:15, 7 July 2006, Sarge Baldy (Talk) blocked Hogeye (contribs) (expires 20:15, 7 August 2006) (Unblock) (resetting due to ban evasion)

See the category here. Note that most of these are not sockpuppets in the conventional sense, but just open proxies that are being used to circumvent his block. - FrancisTyers · 10:27, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

I spent most of my time on wikipedia yesterday reverting Hogeye's sock edits at Anarchism, so I am fully supportive of this proposal. Their socks also reverted changes I made to other articles recently, including this page, making three personal attacks in the process: [1], [2], [3] and [4]. This user constantly evades blocks and edits disruptively, and it's about time they get banned permanently. The Ungovernable Force 18:13, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
As the one who protected the Anarchism article for a month while trying to make Hogeye discuss his changes (before the first month-long block), I would not oppose it. --cesarb 02:20, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
They have a new sock: User:Drowner.--The Ungovernable Force 02:19, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
  • <sarcasm>Oppose; useful method for finding more open proxies to block.</sarcasm> Mackensen (talk) 02:32, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
    Comment: They will still use open proxies even after they are banned permanently, so it won't keep you from finding more. The Ungovernable Force 02:38, 12 July 2006 (UTC) Oh, sorry. It's sometimes hard to tell sarcasm in type. It was funny though. The Ungovernable Force 02:45, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Concerning User:haham hanuka[edit]

I removed part of this users userpage becuase,imho, it violated the guideline at Wikipedia:User page (Personal statements that could be considered polemical, such as opinions on matters unrelated to Wikipedia) ; please also have a look here. I consider a block. Any comments? Lectonar 14:15, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Given the translation (which I had been waiting for before taking further action on this), I strongly support the removal of the material. There's no need for a block at this time, but the user should definitely not re-add the material. -- SCZenz 21:33, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
The content has just been deleted through a formal procedure and he readds as if the community wasn't here. He should be blocked, as he has done this many times before and he was warned about his disrespect for our community decisions many times before. gidonb 22:49, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Actually, the was deleted at his request, not because of the MfD—and he hoped that adding it to his user page instead would be a compromise. It's clear the community wants it gone, even from his user page, so that isn't acceptable. But at this time, it has been removed from his userpage by Lectonar and not-readded; as long as he doesn't restore the material anywhere, no further action is necessary. -- SCZenz 16:44, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
I agree with SCZenz: a block isn't appropriate at this time. There is a difference between re-adding because he's in a fight and re-adding after he's gotten multiple sets of administrative eyes. In the former case, the slow-ish dispute resolution process would need to take place. In the latter case, it's sort of a different set of offenses that can justify a block more quickly. (No, I'm not lawyering. I'm suggesting that the user can misunderstand some things, but not others.) Geogre 14:13, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

From what I can see, the page was deleted through a regular procedure with which he agreed. In the meantime he has been blocked for a week for serious trolling on other AfDs. gidonb 17:34, 19 July 2006 (UTC)


155.72.100.4 and 24.34.73.135[edit]

These IPs (probably one person) had been vandalizing the Crispa Redmanizers and the Toyota Super Corollas pages. I've notified 155.72.100.4 on his talk page when he notified me on my talk page. Then 24.34.73.135 sent me this:

Hoy Putang ina ka na! tigilan mo na 'to pabalik balik natin. wala ka namang na-contribute sa article na 'to

Which rougly translates to:"Hey! <bleep> Stop reverting my edits. You don't contribute anything in the article." I'm requesting an indefinite block on these two IPs. Or any block will do. Even a sem-protect on the two pages. Thanks. --Howard the Duck 04:59, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Concerns over pending deletion vote of Encyclopedia Dramatica[edit]

The notability of the site is still being debated after the issue was first raised a day or two ago, and this deletion was immediately forced through after editors complained about perceived bias (almost immediately after). Admins do a good job, but this does feel like a retaliatory nomination, especially given the ferocity of people to "get rid of it". This nomination so far is heading based on votes to either a weak to solid keep, or a no concensus. If that happens, the article should remain while it gets worked out further on the page itself.

If the vote and discussion from the article is a "keep" or no concensus, I am concerned that some action may be unilaterally taken vs. this article after the vote possibly, going against concensus. Questions in regards to this have been ignored on the vote page, while every other question/comment from parties opposed to the article's existence have been met with swiftness. rootology 00:37, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

It's not a "vote"...--MONGO 04:47, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
That is fine for syntax clarification, thank you. I expect if a decision of keep or no concensus of the discussion is clearly reached, it will be honored as is standard...? rootology 06:12, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
I feel bad for whoever is going to close that mess. --Woohookitty(meow) 06:14, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I have evidence that the attempt at deletion was a premeditated act to destroy the article: [5]( other one - threat in edit summary) Hardvice 06:34, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Those are strong accusations from you. I think that it would be good if you offered an apology.--MONGO 06:51, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Actually no, almost any AFD nom is a "premediated attempt to destroy an article". That is, after all, the point of nominating something for AFD - to remove something that the nominator believes is unsuitable for Wikipedia. I would hope that AFD noms are premeditated - I would hate to think that people would nominate articles for deletion on the spur of the moment. Calling an AFD nom "a premeditated attempt to destroy an article" is like calling article creation a "premeditated attempt to create an article". It is rather impolite to phrase it that way, trying to spin a perfectly normal action into something sinister. Guettarda 06:59, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
(But very amusing now that you've pointed it out! Tyrenius 07:06, 19 July 2006 (UTC))
If the community decides they don't want the article, then fine, it can go. I don't see a problem with this. --Lord Deskana (talk) 07:01, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

The actions and comments from certain members of the keep side of the debate are really quite shameful. If anyone wonders why admins burn out or get upset occasionally, one need only look at the onslaught of willful ignorance and the completely undeserved sense of entitlement being utilized by certain members of that debate, threatening current editors who have had the courage to speak their mind, and even against anyone who would potentially enforce policy in regards to this debate. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 07:07, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Examples, please? I've seen no threats or intimidation from anyone but MONGO and Hipocrite, mostly MONGO. Karwynn (talk) 15:57, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
m:Don't be a dick should have a corollary, m:People are dicks.


Wp willis[edit]

User:Wp willis [6] has done some strange stuff. Reverts following his edits don't work - bring up edit conflict with unrelated pages. When I tried to block the account - the record shows no block. WOW attack? Vsmith 11:56, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

OK - the block shows up on [7] - hmm. Still cannot revert his changes to Age of the Earth [8] - and when I try to view next change I get an error [9]. What's happening? Vsmith 12:03, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Trying to revert to older version of Age of the Earth brings this [10] ?? Vsmith 12:07, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
There was an issue with the database earlier today, I think this may be screwed. Just zis Guy you know? 12:11, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

There was a similar problem on Earth which was fixed? by a vandalism edit by user:Wo0sh [11] - seems an odd coincidence. Vsmith 12:24, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Seems some of the the diffs above show something different now - maybe it was just a databas screwup. All those Ws gave me the willys :-) Vsmith 12:55, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Some sort of database screwup is crossing the streams. Make a null edit to uncross them. Hipocrite - «Talk» 13:34, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Wjhonson reverting Kitty May Ellis stuff[edit]

Wjhonson (talkcontribspage movesblock userblock log)

Hi guys, as a result of this deletion review, I changed my closure of this AfD (and deleted "Kitty May Ellis") and removed all quotations of her works from various articles. Wjhonson is reverting my edits. Now, I've already warned the user about revert-warring, but since I don't want to get into this revert war myself without knowing whether I'm in the right, I thought I'd make a note here. --Deathphoenix ʕ 19:14, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

A deletion review that was not consensus. My article was a professionally-writen, complete and thoroughly-cited biography. A few attackers kept stating over and over the sources weren't verifiable, which is incorrect. Every source I used for the statements is verifiable and previously published in a reliable source. The deletion *review* came to an incorrect conclusion and there is no reason I should be penalized for trying to expand, valid and useful content on wikipedia. All the sources I used were posted to the article, and the quality was far superior, in my opinion, to the majority of biographies on here. And again every source is verifiable, the attackers took no attempt to even try to verify my sources. Wjhonson 19:29, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
I have now, for the first time, been given the opportunity to read the this deletion review. I go to bed with KEEP, I wake up and everything I worked on for the past week — every single quote, every reference to this very notable person has been wiped by Deathphoenix. The sources are on wikisource, a sister project, and have been accepted there as documents of historical interest. Aside from that, I have posted portions of those quotes to various genealogical and history boards for the various communities and names mentioned, and each has expressed great interest in this source. And yet, one of the remarks on the review is that this person is not notable. It's relatively hard to reconcile the two positions. One person, a descendent of Chief Joseph wrote with profuse thanks that there is yet another source on her ancestor. The mere fact that a person is not universally known, is not a sufficient reason for stating that person is not *notable*. The notability page I would add, states that a person is also notable if they *should* be more widely known. If nothing else, this person should pass on that criteria. Wjhonson 20:03, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
    • I have some experience with genealogy. What are the links at wikisource so I can look it over? Never mind. This belongs on Wjohnson's talk page and DRV. Thatcher131 20:56, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Ignoring for the moment User:Wjhonson's conduct, the DRV should either be properly closed (and the old version possibly userfied?) as the closing admin has reverted his prior decision, or the history be restored until the DRV has run its course. ~ trialsanderrors 18:33, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

The DRV has been closed in favor of deletion. Without getting into a debate about the merits of the deletion, in the interests of tidying up, I'd like to remove all the redlinks to the now-(re)deleted article. I'm afraid, however, that another edit war will ensue. Any advice would be appreciated. Katr67 18:31, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
I unlinked references to Ellis mostly without deleting the text. If an article is developed that the community agrees is viable, the links can be restored. Hopefully this solves the above issue for now. Katr67 16:10, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

The user has now reposted the article under Kittie May Ellis. Perhaps another AfD is called for. Katr67 20:34, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Absoluly incorrect. The article was reopened for further review, and then the deletion-request was closed *moribund*, no result. This is just more of you and your friends attempt to mischaracterize the situation. The article stays. Wjhonson 20:37, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
AfD already started Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kittie May Ellis (second nomination). And I am no friend (or enemy) of Katr67, I don't know her (?) at all. I'll conduct further discussion at the AfD, if needed. Fram 20:49, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Let me just state for the record that I am not a friend (nor enemy) of any of the other users who have expressed their opinions on the merits of the article under discussion. Katr67 20:56, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Any *new* review should either be based exclusively on new comments, or should take into account the many responders in the original AfD who voted to KEEP. And should not be done, in the middle of the night, in a few hours. The persons interested in the history of the Pacific Northwest in general are not awake at 3 in our morning to respond to attacks on our published history by people who have no idea what's going on, and who are boldly lied to by others in the response pool. Wjhonson 20:58, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
I am not satisfied with the result of this deletion again. I have recreated the page and I am requesting some sort of arbitration, I just don't know how to do that yet. Verifiability is not reliant on ease, only possibility. Notability is not reliant on google hits. So someone tell me how to accelerate this up to the next level. Thanks. Wjhonson 05:07, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Undent. I have posted cogent rebuttal to the most salacious of claims Wikipedia_talk:Reliable_sources#Assume_good_faith, and I would appreciate comments on this meta-issue, What happens when editors who have not read a source, assume it is unreliable. Wjhonson 05:42, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Xoloz has protected my #redirect of "Kitty May Ellis" to "Kittie May Ellis". What possible resason could there be for this? Can someone please unprotect this page. Thank you. Wjhonson 15:41, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


Emails[edit]

Am I the only who received a ridiculously long-winded ranty email regarding this? Twice actually. The same both time. 207.96.237.60 18:48, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

That was me. I had no activated the cookies when connecting. Circeus 18:49, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
I got one, too [12]. I made a note of it in the AfD. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 19:59, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
I suspect that every admin (except those complained about, which includes me and MONGO) received a copy. Oh well, at least one recipient has forwarded the silly thing to the arbitration committee. --Tony Sidaway 20:05, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
No copy was sent to my inbox. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 20:09, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Zscout, be careful what you wish for. The only thing I learned from the copy I received was that MONGO was an Admin (for some reason I had presumed he wasn't) -- the letter does not make it clear who is doing what to whom, except that one or more individuals are alleged to be acting very badly. -- llywrch 22:39, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Was the IP address of the emailer used by any other usernames? Can that be looked into to see who sent it? rootology 20:10, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
I got this email too. -- JamesTeterenko 20:15, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Is the sending IP address in use by any usernames on wikipedia? rootology 20:26, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
I got one too, even though I'm listed in it for deleting an attack image. I guess I'll have to investigate myself ;). NoSeptember 20:21, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
I got two, from different senders. -GTBacchus(talk) 21:30, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
I got FIVE, from one sender (User:Rptng03509345) -- Samuel Wantman 21:40, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
And I see hw has now been blocked. Blocking still allows the use of Special:Emailuser, the possibility of blocking that should be requested to prevent abuse? Circeus 22:23, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
  • I also received such an email from User:Rptng03509345. I guess email needs to be allowed from blocked users as it is one way they can request unblocking.--A Y Arktos\talk 02:00, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
  • the emailer may be using this page as a place to copy and paste from. It has all the same info.--MONGO 10:01, 20 July 2006 (UTC)


admin Zanimum violating hot button article protection[edit]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Dramatica&action=history

Please review and get him to stop. This article is locked, is under AfD, and the crux of half the arguments revolved around perceived admin bias based on the fact an admin was attacked on the 3rd party site the article in question is about. Why is this admin being allowed to edit a protected article under AfD condtion? It needs to be immediately reverted back to this version:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Dramatica&oldid=64682131

And this abusive admin stopped immediately. rootology 16:57, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Back on topic, this abusive admin continues to make unchallenged, undiscussed, unilateral edits on a protected page being discussed for AfD. We need an admin to stop him and revert the edits he is doing in violation of policy. Its a protected article and his edits are inappropriate. rootology 17:19, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Zanimum has reverted himself, leaving only minor formatting edits. Move along, nothing to see here. KillerChihuahua?!? 17:33, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
I respectfully disagree. This is the second time an admin has changed content on this article in some fashion while it was locked, and editors had no ability to revert. What is the actual, official policy on edits done to locked articles? Zanium on the talk page also stated he would not revert, which to me is abusive. rootology 17:37, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
How about you actually read the policy before making such accusations? --InShaneee 20:26, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
I had read them.
"In addition, admins should avoid favoring one version of the article over another, unless one version is vandalism. In this case, the protecting sysop may choose to protect the non-vandalism version." - thats my objection.
"Administrators should be cautious about editing protected pages and do so in accordance with consensus and any specific guidelines on the subject. In most cases, administrators should first raise the issue on the relevant talk page, unless a case of obvious trolling and/or revert warring, or blatently unsuitable content." not done, another objection.
"In the following specific cases, an exception is made:" - none apply. Thats it. I'm done. Cheers. rootology 21:11, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
It says "be cautious"; it doesn't outright prohibit it. --InShaneee 00:32, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Are we saying that admins get final say on content then? They can unilaterally change ANYTHING on an article, and if a 'regular' editor doesn't like it, protection can be used as empowerment of the admin's viewpoints on what that featured content should be? Because to be frank, his breathless "the edits stay" can be construed by anyone as saying "I'm not changing it and you can't do a damn thing about" due to the protection in place. rootology 15:44, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
It looks to me like the "be cautious" part applies to indefinately-protected pages, such as the main page or templates; the page in question is a "temporarily protected page", which falls under the section above the one you were reading. That says, in an extremely straightforward fashion:
Do not edit or revert a temporarily protected page, except to add a protected page notice, a link to Wikipedia:Accuracy dispute or Wikipedia:NPOV dispute, or a similar disclaimer about the current state of an article, unless there is widespread agreement that the page was protected in violation of these policies.
Of course, common sense should also be applied, and I don't think these edits were really such a big deal; but they weren't direly needed, either. Part of the purpose of protection is to force people to come to the talk page and participate in discussions about the article's direction; if admins start handling seemingly trivial maintenance edits on temporarily protected pages, that encourages people to leave the page protected longer, and increases the chance that editors who are generally happy with the protected version will stay out of discussions. The annoyance of being unable to make small corrections like these is part of what makes protection work the way it does. --Aquillion 16:15, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

People found some sources in real newspapers, not blogs of Encyclopedia Dramatica, and I think those should get linked at the bottom of the article, protected or not. Hardvice 00:54, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

That's not something to discuss here. --InShaneee 00:59, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


Inproper deletion[edit]

Hi, not sure exactly what to do here, this is a new problem for me. One of my subpages was being considered for deletion, see Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:Karwynn/Compiling_Evidence/data_dump_to_be_sorted. In the midst of ongoing discussion about its merit, during which 3 of the four participants agreed it was harmless, User:Tony Sidaway speedy deleted it without even mentioning the matter. THe reason, "attack page", was the subject on ongoing discussion on the MfD page. I have discussed it with him, proposing continued discussion and compromise, but feel his answer is unsatisfactory and request a second outside administrator opinion. Karwynn (talk) 19:32, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Tony acted properly; the top of the page begins with "Below are links to edits by multiple users. Because these users are administrators, they will likely use the article delete power to hide them." and Karwynn, on occasion in the page, is trying to figure out the ISP of one admin, MONGO. This is a form of harrasment and Tony acted properly to have this deleted before the MFD is finished. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 19:37, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
(edit conflict) That is incorrect. The page is a copy of a former page, I am not the original author. Additionally, if that is the only problem, I will recreate it, delete the first paragraph, and delete any mention about the IP. Thank you for (finally) clarifying the problem. Note once again that the page was not an attack page. Karwynn (talk) 19:41, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
People, in the past, have allowed to keep evidence for related issues, RFC's and RFAr's; but anything that is trying to "out" an editor usually gets deleted for being an attack page. An example of outing is trying to figure out the ISP of a person, real name of a person, real location and their real job (unless, of course, the subject of the investigation gives it out willing). But since MONGO and others have not, then it is considered harrasment. It doesn't matter where it came from, nor if you were the original posted, the reason why we have pointed it to you is that the page is in your userspace. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 19:45, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
I'm particularly shocked to see the results of another wiki's checkuser pasted in there. They may have low standards for IP outing but we don't. Mackensen (talk) 19:38, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Criticism is not the same as attacking. I agree that the IP addresses are a concern, but those could have been removed while leaving the rest of it. There's discussion of this at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Karwynn also. Friday (talk) 19:41, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Why was the entire thing deleted and not just the offending material? That was--as the note mentioned--a copy paste of a previous diff that multiple users were actively checking against. My note also said it would be removed after. It seems the IP info at most should have been removed, not the 40-50+ referenced links. Why was that information removed as well? It is all public record in the WP history; we had simply compiled it into one location for Good Faith analysis, criticism and review. rootology 19:42, 20 July 2006 (UTC)


Can ED drama stay on Encyclopedia Dramatica please?? --Cyde↔Weys 19:39, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

THe issue is not about ED, please make an effort to be informed and not dismissive. Karwynn (talk) 19:41, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
This isn't ED drama. See my above post. It is a criticism/review of whether Tony overstepped what is an appropriate deletion. rootology 19:42, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
As you yourself (rootology) so willingly splurted above, "Any additional action {...} should be taken as trolling on this matter."
You're not going to convince people of the importance of following up your claims of supposed process violations when you continue to willingly post personal identifying information and dismiss the importance of avoiding personal attacks. This entire crusade of your fellow ED editors here on WP (defending the article, attacking people and then claiming process vios) is a major violation of WP:POINT, and an obvious (and quite pathetic) attempt at intimidation of users. Might fly on ED, but not on WP. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 19:48, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
We don't know that it was MONGO's IP, and if it was, and confirmed (not to us, in general) as MONGO's IP by an admin, that info can be removed. If it wasn't his IP it's a random vandal IP and no harm to leave it up--anymore than the thousands of others scattered in notes all over WP. Was it appropriate for everything on the page to nuked and the earth salted? In any event, everyone else can fight this now. I had nothing to do with ED and came to the defense of what (opinion) seemed like MONGO's friends defending overreaching actions as an admin. I did not know that researching/compiling public WP records for a possible perceived violation by a user was against the rules. rootology 19:52, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Does rootology have an ED account? Begging the question? YOur premise is faulty, faulty, faulty. Karwynn (talk) 19:50, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
No, I don't. rootology 19:52, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Whatever he claims, it's unverifiable. WP:V. Much like other trolls I've met (Karwynn, or whatever your prior names have been), you answer with a misstatement of the question. The pathetic actions of a troll are not often this conspicuous. And I sense from the response to your pleadings here that the community's patience is fading. Return to ED, or choose other areas of focus for WP... if contributing to the article is indeed your goal at all. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 19:54, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Look at every one of my my edits before this ED disaster pulled me in. NOTHING to do with it. I worked on my own little baby project, and a bunch of comics/TV related stuff. We'll have to just agree to disagree in good faith that this sad mess is littered with bias on both sides--possible bias on some staff/admin/whatever pro-MONGO, some editors/admins pro-ED. I'm done with this and am going back to my old stuff. I kept trying to argue that everyone stay neutral but the attacks just kept swirling from *both* sides (fact). Sorry if anyone's time was wasted. rootology 20:00, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

It sounds like ED drama to me - someone gets ahold of MONGO's IP from a CheckUser on ED and then people on here run around releasing that information. --Cyde↔Weys 19:45, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Wrong, sir. I had no idea if that was really his IP, that's why it was up in the first place, to compare contribs. I've stated here and copied that diff link to several other places that I didn't know if it was really his IP, and that if it really was, I would take it down because it would be moot. Karwynn (talk) 19:49, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
In view of the nature and provenance of this material, I don't think assumption of good faith is appropriate here. It was correctly speedied. --Tony Sidaway 19:47, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
I disagree strongly and feel that you came from a biased position in light of your history with MONGO and Hipicrite. Another admin should have dealt with this. In any event I'm done. Everyone else can fight over perceived or factual bias on this one. rootology 19:54, 20 July 2006 (UTC)


I agree with Cyde. This has everything to do with ED, and is therefore ED drama. I am sick and tired of this. This garbage does not belong on this site. We have much better work to do. --Pilotguy (roger that) 19:53, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm unwatching this page (and nearly all this ED related cesspool). I'm just sick of all of this. Sorry again if anyone feels their time was wasted--I'm going back to my old projects. If anyone has any important questions or whatever for me hit me on my talk page or email me if it's private. rootology 20:05, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

IMO, if the discussion lasted longer than 5 minutes on this topic than it was too long. We aren't a internet hosting service. We allow some extra stuff on users subpages for the work of writing the encyclopedia or to make the place more enjoyable. If something is disruptive in anyway it needs to go. The sooner the better because it will cause less disruption that way. FloNight talk 20:07, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
I agree, but sadly, as is often the case, the deletion of the "disruptive" material ended up causing more disruption than the presence of that material. Friday (talk) 21:24, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't know if anyone else has been affected here, but I've also been getting email spam from at least two users about 'innapropriate admin action' on this deletion, which upon investigation is really nothing worth noting. --InShaneee 20:24, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

  • Sweet fancy Moses this entire issue needs its own notice board, it's clogging up both WP:AN, and WP:AN/i, get a grip people--64.12.116.65 21:24, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, cry me a river....the IP isn't mine anyway.--MONGO 21:41, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

  • missing the point? this is the Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents, why is this here at all?--64.12.116.65 21:54, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
I felt like adding something...there was a complaint, and this is the proper forum. You're missing the point anon.--MONGO 22:49, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
I meant this entire header, why is it here at all? this meets a new level of off-topicness, even for AN/i, it has nothing to do with anything administrative, and it's not an incident--64.12.116.65 22:52, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
  • What's this edit <stalking deleted - User:Zoe|(talk)> 03:07, 21 July 2006 (UTC)>? Hardvice 23:14, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Meaningless is what it is, if he doesn't want to disclose if it's his IP, then that's his choice, you pushing isn't going to change anything--64.12.116.65 23:54, 20 July 2006 (UTC)


About Zoe's removal. I thought MONGO would want to leave it as it is and say, "That's not me." If he wants it hidden and it is him, that's fine, just don't say it isn't him. But if he says it's not him, that's different. The removed link was actually posted on one of these boards earlier by another user and it's still up to my knowledge. Hardvice 03:15, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

That's it. Blocking this fellow for blatant trolling. Three hours I guess. --Tony Sidaway 03:51, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
I've blocked Karwynn for this edit attacking MONGO. --Tony Sidaway 17:18, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


User:NYTheaterHistorian Continues to post personal info[edit]

User:NYTheaterHistorian continues to post another user's personal information, including this individual's alleged current place of employment on his talk page [[13]]. Wikipedia pages pertaining to this individual have been deleted, yet, NYTheaterHistorian continues to re-post old warnings and discussions of the deleted pages on his own User Talk page, including derogatory statements about this individual and personal information.

Neither User:NYTheaterHistorian, nor his sock puppet User:OffOffBroadway behave like legitimate Wikipedia editors. Any reasonable person reviewing the contribution history of "both" these individuals can see that nearly all of their "editorial" contributions have been geared towards a targeted campaign of harrassment against this person.

Will somebody, please, do something?--MissMajesty 22:45, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

The information posted on my discussion page is all relevent in explaining edits that were done in trying to work towards truth on two pages, which have now been deleted due to being seen as self promotion and of being not worthy of having pages. There are no derogatory statements that I have posted; simly truths in explaining my actions. Information that she says is personal is information that was relevant and specific to the pages she created. No contact information such as phone numbers or addresses have been given; simply information relevant to the page, and available with a simple google search. user:missmajesty has been noted as puppet master of numerous logins and has been threatening me with legal threats. This user is selectively removing information off of my discussion page, yet leaving the numerous 'warnings' that she left for me in hopes that I would not make legitimate and factual edits to the pages she created, at the same time mistakenly leaving the same warnings for an administrative editior. She is also incorrect in stating that user:offoffbroadway is a sockpuppet of mine; that is a completely seperate person and I encourage any administrative research to see that this is so. Kind regards, --NYTheaterHistorian 18:55, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I have removed the information from my discussion page that user:missmajesty has questioned as personal. --NYTheaterHistorian 19:01, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


Vandalism on Dance Portal?[edit]

On the page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Dance, the Featured article is replaced with the sentence "ina hamash kose shere raghs kiloee chande baba sare karemon gozashtin ba tashakor". I guess its Persian but I haven't a clue to what it means, so I don't know if I should remove it or not (and besides I don't know what to replace it with). Annaxt 14:10, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

It's been there since the page was created. I'd leave it or leave a message with the portal's creator. Naconkantari 14:14, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Nevermind about that, it was a template used on the page. Naconkantari 14:16, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Fixed. Hipocrite - «Talk» 14:14, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Thank you both! Annaxt 14:24, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


DangerZoneYes[edit]

I blocked DangerZoneYes (talk · contribs). Someone is jerking us around. Just zis Guy you know? 14:13, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Yay. *cough* I mean, it is with sincere regret that I concur that this user has exhausted community patience and endorse this indefinite block. --Sam Blanning(talk) 14:49, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


Self Promotion[edit]

The following was previously posted: On the Attachment Therapy page user JeanMercer continues to add as a reference a book she wrote with two others, Sarner and his spouse, Rosa. Mercer receives royalties for this and is a leader of the advocacy group Advocates for Children in Therapy, which financially benefits from the book sales. She has been warned once about this and I put a note on her talk page as a second warning. I'd appreciate your advice and interventionn here. RalphLender 23:38, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

It's bad form, but is it against policy? How is the book regarded by others? Would it ever be cited by someone not involved with it? Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 23:58, 20 July 2006 (UTC) If it's self-published (or otherwise small circulation), it's not considered a reliable source. --InShaneee 00:30, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Since mercer has financial interest in the book and her group ACT has a financial interest in the book, I'd thought that mercer's promoting and posting her book is a violation of Wiki policy. Furthermore, the text is really more of an advocacy and publicity piece than a professional publication. If you can respond here or on my talk page, I'd appreciate it. Thank you. SamDavidson 16:11, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


Self Promotion[edit]

Pm_shef (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log) is the son of Vaughan Councillor Alan Shefman, and habitually edits Vaughan articles either by removing relevant information and claiming there is consensus for that, or adding complimentary information. When he doesn't get his way, he gets involved in edit wars and complains to an/i as well kissing the ass of his vast network of allies and admins.

Within the last month alone, Pm_shef has been busy. He has not only removed corporate donations from the list of election issues in Vaughan in this edit [14], but also removed compromising information about Michael Di Biase, including those 3 traffic tickets that mysteriously disappeared a few years ago [15], his $164,074 salary that is one of the highest for a politician in the country [16], his being appointed without an election upon the death of Lorna Jackson [17] [18] and the fact that he, along with father Alan Shefman, is being investigated for corruption and receiving.... corporate donations [19].

Pm_shef has in the past been warned by bearcat and mangojuice, and this did slow him down for a few months. But now he is starting again. He's even gained the attention of the local media, who have left him a message on his talk page, wondering why he believes corporate donations are not an election issue, and if this is the campaign of his father's. Can we have a temporary ban or some other measure to indicate to him the nature of this neutral encyclopedia? Energyblue 17:53, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

This is your second edit to Wikipedia. Don't you think you're diving into the politics and conflicts of the place a little quickly? JDoorjam Talk 17:58, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


Flaming/Vandalism by anon user[edit]

Hello, I had a comment about an IP user that made a trolling comment to me: here, and I believe it is vandalism to get me to flame him (i.e. trolling). It's discouraging me, and he/she/it has been trolling other users as well, among vandalism. Thank you for your time. --VelairWight (my discussion) 18:17, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


Apparent GNAA troll at large[edit]

Werto (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log).

New account just created but contribs indicate an apparently experienced (banned?) Wikipedia editor. Makes some sort-of-reasonable typo corrections, tries to get Klerck biography speedied [20], uploads Rush Limbaugh screen shot with GNAA data in the form fields (Image:Freelimbaugh247.png) and posts racist trolling at [21] and [22] etc., still actively editing. -- Phr (talk) 18:42, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Taken care of. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 19:26, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Hunter91[edit]

Hi, I have a problem which encompasses a question on policy. As you'll see here, [23], Hunter91 (talk · contribs) feels that I'm incorrect in some of my advice to him and my actions in an AfD (all of my correspondance has been deleted from his talk page, but with history: [24]). He's removed votes from an AfD, claiming that they were by sockpuppets and he left no comment on the AfD discussion [25]. He also changed my nomination, leaving no comment. The users he has labelled as sockpuppets have no warnings for sockpuppetry on their talk pages. From what I can see, the user has a history of removing comments which conflict with his beliefs on the article talk page Talk:Battle_Field_2 like here. I feel that this user is distrupting wikipedia (to an extent), and am trying to get in contact with an admin to see if they can/will do anything about it. The response I'm hoping for is a kind word to Hunter91 and a revert of his edits to the afd page (Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Battle_Field_2). Thanks Martinp23 20:57, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

  • Do not alter other people's comments. If he thinks they belong to sockpuppets, he should add a note to the discussion for the closing admin, but removing AFD comments or nominations without leaving comments is not acceptable. - Mgm|(talk) 22:43, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

I am with Martin. I voted for the 'Delete' of the article, and then he comments saying that the vote was done by a sock puppet! I am most certainly not a sock puppet! I also commented against the article in the discussion page, but he deleted my comment. He's then accusing everyone of being vandals. If you compare the article of Battle Field 2 to Battlefield 2: Modern Combat, there's a huge difference. You gotta help. Seriphyn 20:07, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I re-added a delete vote that he had removed and then he accused me of being a "sockpuppet and a vandal" - someone might want to have a polite word. --Charlesknight 21:28, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


PoV Edit War[edit]

ED209 (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log) and JohnnyCanuck (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log) have been continuously adding PoV comments to both Michael Di Biase and Vaughan municipal election, 2006. Myself and a number of other editors have attempted to reason with them, to no avail. Discussions on both article talk pages have shown that the only people who believe the information should be included are the two users mentioned above. Every other objective editor believes that they have no place in the articles. Could someone step in and make a definitive ruling please? These people have demonstrated they have no interest in abiding by community consensus. Thanks - pm_shef 22:54, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Di Biase had three consecutive traffic tickets 'misplaced' by the police, and this was suspicious enough for the Toronto Star and the local newspaper to report. How does a ticket just vanish? This would be a lucky coincidence for most people, but when it involves the allegedly corrupt Mayor of the allegedly most corrupt council in Canada, luck may not be involved. Energyblue 17:53, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Also where is this so called "community consensus"? If you go to the [talk page], you'll see that only one person agrees with Pm_shef, and that's JamesTeterenko. Bearcat says that he has "no strong opinion about whether the traffic incidents belong in the article" and CJCurrie writes "I don't have any strong opinions about Michael Di Biase, and I'm willing to grant that the information could perhaps be presented in a neutral and encyclopedic manner." The question is, is pm_shef, the son on Vaughan Councillor Alan Shefman, capable of writing objectively about City Hall? Energyblue 17:53, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


User:Zereshk Internal Spamming[edit]

The user has been internally spamming to try and get a favorable outcome on this afd. Don't attempt to sway consensus by encouraging participation in a discussion by people that you already know have a certain point of view. (Wikipedia:Spam) [26] [27] [28] [29] [30] [31] [32] [33] [34] [35] [36] [37] [38] [39] [40][41] [42] [43] [44]--Jersey Devil 01:39, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm rolling back as many 'notices' as I can, and issuing a stern warning to Zereshk. However, it appears he's also been busy trolling for meatpuppets, which I think deserves looking into seperately. --InShaneee 02:34, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I honestly think that a temporary block is neccessary here, this kind of action isn't going to stop with a warning on his talk page and will just be brushed off. I also don't think it is fair to the rest of us who want a fair afd process and who do not resort to this action to get keep votes on afds.--Jersey Devil 02:41, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

As I said, I've removed the messages. He's not currently spamming, and unless he starts again, he's not going to be blocked. --InShaneee 02:43, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
If he starts up again, do what you have to do, with my support. --Tony Sidaway 03:42, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Note that he was also doing it externally, on the Persian Wikipedia: [45]. And I've been told there are precedents of similar behaviour: [46], [47]. -- Fut.Perf. 05:11, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for informing us on that I am going to tell InShanee in his talk page.--Jersey Devil 06:05, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment: Those posts all belong to the period before Zereshk was asked to stop spamming other pages. --Aminz 06:59, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Another question, and an important one: Zereshk has now vowed to continue spamming off-site, which of course he can't be caught in the act as easily. Any suggested course of action? --InShaneee 16:53, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm pretty certain he's been doing just that anyway, in similar earlier cases too. And his behaviour is being rewarded: there are in fact around a dozen new keep votes on that AfD by now, almost all from Iranian users. It's exactly this sort of behaviour that has made pages like Misconceptions about the Shi'a (even worse piece of POV writing) survive up to three successive AfD's, apparently. Probably nothing much than an Arbcom ban would be able to stop him. Fut.Perf. 17:49, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
I've issued a 48 hour block for the moment, and if I ever see that his 'groupies' show up mysteriouly in any more AfDs, I'll be more than happy to block again for longer. --InShaneee 18:40, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Aminz Request :

Aleged Injustice: Can other admins please have a look into this: ** Is 48 Hours block appropriate for such violation of policies? ** I seriously doubt! Zereshk has remained civil and hasn't done any vandalism. He has spammed some pages and this was his first time. Later, he has said to a particular user that he will inform him next time via email (please note his tone in that comment which seems not to be serious though it was very improper). I have seen all the relevant evidences & I personally find this block as it stands to be injustice (48 hours! for doing something once!). --Aminz 01:06, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Another evidence: One reason that I like another admin to look into this is that when InShaneee first warned Zereshk of not spamming, InShaneee warned Zereshk of getting blocked. I was completely surprised when I saw that. I've been around in wikipedia for awhile and have got a sense of the warnings. Nobody gives a {{test4}} to a person who has done vandalism for his first time. --Aminz 01:21, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

I am requesting again. Can any other admin for the sake of God have a look into this case. Thanks --Aminz 07:11, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Another evidence : User InShaneee believes: "As I said, policy is policy and if you break it, it's broken. Sure, he didn't vandalize, but spamming is a policy too, and such flagrant disregard cannot go unnoticed... Showing such disregard for policy is the mark of a troll, and users who show no willingness to follow policy are often blocked indefinatly."
I personally think InShaneee is not taking the required steps one by one in dealing with user Zereshk. Blocking a user (particularly for 48 hours) should be only taken as the last resort. InShaneee, on the other hand, is trying to identify Zereshk's comment as a mark of being a troll. This is a very quick judgment based on a single comment and I believe InShaneee is over-generalizing the situation. Furthermore, this block doesn't serve in a constructive manner. I am still confused why InShaneee didn't warn Zereshk of not showing disregard for the policy. Much worst things happen in wikipedia all the times, but the admins are much more tolerant (and they are supposed to be). Just put yourself in Zereshk's shoes: He is going to be accused of having the mark of a troll and getting banned for 48 hours in his first violation of a policy!!!!! (well! two policies) --Aminz 07:29, 22 July 2006 (UTC)


Myrtone86 blocked for a week for (repeated) disruption[edit]

I have blocked Myrtone86 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log) for a week for adding an angry emoticon to the end of Template:UsernameBlocked [48]. He also added an 'autosig' which also needed reverting, as sometimes extra commentary can be inserted after templates - I could almost swear that he's been reverted and warned about adding autosigs before, but perhaps that was someone else.

If it needs to be said, and I really hope it doesn't, this is a completely inappropriate edit to a high-visibility template which regards a very sensitive issue - blocking users indefinitely who may not have been expecting it. It turns a rational and clear explanation into a statement that we don't take permanent blocking of users who may be editing in good faith seriously. The edit stood for several hours until I used the template on a user's talk page, had to edit my own edit to remove Myrtone's crap, and then revert him. For all we know some editors used it without noticing (the template is designed to be substed so whatlinkshere won't be any use in checking). Silly edits to templatespace are many times more damaging than silly edits to article, user or projectspace.

My block of a week takes into account Myrtone's 5 previous blocks, albeit two were later undone. Given Myrtone86's history of silly edits which have got him blocked several times in the past, I don't feel any more such edits from this user should be tolerated. --Sam Blanning(talk) 16:23, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, I've been involved with him before because he had an incredibly stupid signature that used {{PAGENAME}} in it. --Cyde↔Weys 16:31, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I briefly blocked Myrtone in June for persisting in that after multiple warnings. --Tony Sidaway 16:52, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Regarding the autosigs, the editor I was thinking of who had been doing it before was actually User:Flameviper12, not Myrtone. Flameviper had a similar history of mixing good edits with phenomenally stupid ones (more stupid than Myrtone, it has to be said), including disruptive signatures, until he was eventually indefinitely blocked (for the third time, after being unblocked twice after promising to be good). --Sam Blanning(talk) 16:38, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Myrtone86 has a history of constant disruption which he attempts to do in a way that he can pass off as an innocent action. Check a classic example here Requests for adminship/Jesus on Wheels. Suspect JoW is a sockpuppet of Myrtone86. Tyrenius 18:10, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
I am truly baffled as to why this user has not been blocked indefinitely. He is an incredible nuisance who has contributed virutally nothing to Wikipedia.--SB | T 21:05, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
I would say the next time this nonsense happens it's permanent. --Cyde↔Weys 02:51, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Bureaucrats'_noticeboard#How_it.27s_done_on_OrthodoxWiki might be of interest as well. Essjay (Talk) 07:19, 22 July 2006 (UTC)


Looking for some more eyes/peacemakers at William H. Kennedy[edit]

Got a page of a living person, with two editors with very strong views holding an edit war over the page. One pro-Kennedy, one anti-Kennedy. The page was semi-protected a few days back, at the request of the pro side warrior (User:617USA). On the anti side, there had been several IPs followed by a user account, (User:Suture). I'm pretty sure this is all one person. The anti warrior has been pushing to have some serious derogatory claims included in the article. I've been trying to reason with him on the talk page about the need for WP:RS. His account appears to have just passed the age for getting around the semi-protection, and the fight is on again. And I'm about done for much of the weekend, with little time to deal with things. It would be great if another admin could keep an eye on this page, as I can see things getting out of hand again there very easily. - TexasAndroid 21:22, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


Block Evade: User:McMeaty[edit]

Here, I reported an incident with an unregistered user making havoc, and it resulted in him being blocked an protection of the relevant article (Firebender). Well, he must have managed to change his IP, because he’s back at it. It seems he also has a member account, User:McMeaty. I’ve reverted his changes on talk: Firebender, but they are still visible on the page history. He’s also added personal insults towards another editor to his talk page.--Fyre2387 21:34, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I've temporairily blocked him. Sasquatch t|c 02:37, 22 July 2006 (UTC)


New user requesting help may be a sockpuppet[edit]

When a bot at #wikipedia-bootcamp notified users that RumDuck (talk · contribs) was in need of help, he was asking why his IP was blocked. He used {{helpme}} prior to any welcome message posted there. It appears that his IP is blocked because of the indef block put on Werto (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log). Based on the way that he is signing his messages as well as the use of the template with no knowledge how to, I believe he is a sockpuppet of Werto. I believe that the IP address that it came from should have a block on account creation, now that he's used it to try and get unblocked. Ryūlóng 05:15, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

The talk page of the IP in question is peppered with {{blatantvandal}}, and appears to also be involved with racist remarks that Werto was blocked for (24.83.203.198 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)). Ryūlóng 06:24, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
When I did block, I checked to make sure the account creation was disabled, but I have no idea how it works out, since I am still somewhat unfamiliar on the new blocking system and how it "works." User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 06:38, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

User:Energyblue blocked as sockpuppet[edit]

I just put an indefinite block on Energyblue (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log) for being a SOCK of VaughanWatch (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log). My reasoning for this is:

  • His first edit was to "out" pm_shef, the apparent archnemesis of VaughanWatch [49]
  • His second edit was to report pm_shef here [50]

This seems like a pretty clearcut case for sockpuppetry of a blocked user, but I did want to post it here to make sure that no one sees any issue with this. -- JamesTeterenko 19:35, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

  • I'm cool with it. Even if he's not VaughanWatch, he's pretty obviously a sockpuppet. JDoorjam Talk 19:48, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Would surprise me if it wasn't a VaughanWatch sock. Good block. Syrthiss 11:22, 22 July 2006 (UTC)


Improper reversion on WP:SOCK[edit]

Please take action against FT2 for improper reverting of Wikipedia's policy on legitimate sockpuppets. PooIGuy 02:34, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

It is worth noting that PooIGuy (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log)'s edits to Wikipedia:Sock puppetry were the first and third edits under that account name. (The comment above was the second.) Although new users are of course welcome to participate in policy discussions, I think that a major edit to a policy page by a brand-new account is suspicious enough to merit reversion. —Josiah Rowe (talkcontribs) 02:47, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Blocked as an impersonator of PoolGuy (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA). --Cyde↔Weys 02:48, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Note that PoolGuy is limited by Arbcom to one account. Mackensen (talk) 13:29, 22 July 2006 (UTC)


Easyrider roo (talk · contribs)[edit]

User:Easyrider roo has a total of four edits, consisting of only copyright violations. The user has posted the entire afterword ("Author's Note") to Philip K. Dick's novel A Scanner Darkly in two places: User:Easyrider roo/AScannerDarkly and User:Easyrider roo. Note, this is not just the list of names that appears in the movie. I have just blanked the pages, but I think the history should be purged. Could someone take care of this please? —Viriditas | Talk 07:16, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Next time, I suggest following the procedure at Wikipedia:Copyright problems. These things usually are not an emergency. Basically, you blank the page, use the {{copyvio}} template and then list the page at the copyright problems subpage that is on the template after you save the page. Anyway, I deleted User:Easyrider roo/AScannerDarkly, since it does not have much purpose now that the text is deleted. It is not necessary to remove copyright violations from the history unless there is a complaint. Therefore, I would have saved the user page, except for the fact that there is a good chance that he or she is not coming back based upon my experience with copyright violators - all of the edits were copyright violations, they were all made on the same day and no edits have been made since, which is classic copyright violator style, at least for text (as opposed to images). -- Kjkolb 08:06, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. The reason I wanted to bypass WP:CP was due to the fact that this was showing up in recent Google search results, which I just found. The text was uploaded by the user around the time the film was in limited release (July 7), however the film is going into wide release on July 28, so I felt that a quick response might be needed. As I recall, WP:CP has a backlog. —Viriditas | Talk 08:33, 22 July 2006 (UTC)


Vestal Senior High School[edit]

Could some more people watch this article? I've removed some slanders from it - but it is still full of trivia which (even if true) is of no value to wikipedia, and is likely to attract more nonsense. This is a good example of why schools' articles are a Bad Idea. --Aoratos 08:53, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Added. This is a very nice high school article. Iolakana|T 11:21, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Administrators pushing their own POV[edit]

This is a serious problem. Take a look here and you'll see that MONGO and tom harrison are pushing their own POV's and also not being civil (using terms "conspiracy theorist") How long is it going to take for wikipedia to ditch them already? They (and others) are nothing but troublemakers. CB Brooklyn 04:24, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't see where MONGO or tom harrison called you that. Mind providing a diff to an actual edit instead of the whole freakin' history page? Additionally, I don't see why you need to take an editorial dispute to ANI. Shouldn't you handle it with an RfC or something? Kasreyn 08:19, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Looks more like a case of administrators pushing policy to me. Just zis Guy you know? 14:42, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Well, if they are pushing policy at the expense of unsourced crap, something should be done! Barnstars? KillerChihuahua?!? 17:01, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
This is a STERN barnstar. You have been awarded this as a warning that you are doing something right. Please continue. If you do, you may find yourself being severely complimented without further warnings.
STERN barnstars. --InShaneee 17:09, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
*dies laughing* ^_^ Kasreyn 20:39, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
That's too good an opportunity to miss! <heads for Photoshop> Here you go... :-) -- ChrisO 20:53, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
You're my new hero, ChrisO. :) --InShaneee 20:57, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
LOL! Great barnstar, I agree. :) --Elonka 21:07, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Anyone going to award it? --LV (Dark Mark) 21:12, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
done. KillerChihuahua?!? 15:01, 22 July 2006 (UTC)


Fake user[edit]

I really hate it. User:Wizkid357 wrote a message on my talkpage and signed it as Ral315. I thought I ought to report here, as he is clearly faking his sig, but still...he is trying to be Ral315. Treebark (talk) 03:11, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't appear that Wizkid357 was trying to impersonate Ral315. I assume that you're talking about this edit to your talk page...? It seems that Wizkid357 was just copy-paste quoting Ral315's remark from Ral's comment here. Wizkid probably should have made more of an effort to set off his remark as a quotation, but he did sign the edit with his own signature. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 05:08, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Note Based on the user page and edit history, it appears that Wizkid is a pre-teen, so may be a little careless in some areas (like the barnstar that doesn't seem to have been put there by the editor whose name is signed to it). Fan-1967 20:03, 22 July 2006 (UTC)


Molobo (talk · contribs), Sciurin%C3%A6 (talk · contribs)[edit]

These two were edit warring over articles that concerned Poles in Germany or similar things. If you check this diff: [51], you will see that both versions are sort of biased, Molobos was at least sourced. The blocking admin (Dmcdevit) said he was tired etc. and wouldn't do the same thing (evidence collecting) for Sciurinae, but that probably someone should do it, because it was always him who pursued molobos edits and warred over them. However, Sciurinae was blocked for 72 hours, (despite warning for months), and Molobo for 1 year. I don't think that Molobo should be unblocked, he surely did what he shouldnt have done, but why is his sparing partner only blocked for 72 hours? Azmoc 07:19, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps Dmcdevit thought that there was still hope for Sciurinae, and that a shorter block might drive home the point that we're serious about not tolerating edit warring. Checking the block log, I note that this is Sciurinae's first block, whereas Molobo has been blocked many times over the last nine months for edit warring.
Molobo was nearly blocked indefinitely a couple of months ago – see Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive89#Molobo_blocked_for_disruptive_edit_warring – and was only allowed to return after a shorter (1 month) block on the condition that he refrain from the edit warring conduct that got him in trouble in the first place. Molobo has had ample opportunities to reform his behaviour, and has failed to avail himself of those opportunities.
I assume and expect that should Sciurinae fail to modify his behaviour, he too will face additional warnings and escalating blocks—however I hope that this 72-hour block (which, for a first block, is far from short) will discourage further edit warring. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 18:07, 22 July 2006 (UTC)



question[edit]

[52] is this a personal attack or not? Azmoc 11:50, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

It has been suggested that User:Azmoc was User:Ackoz. This pretty well confirms it. User:Zoe|(talk) 19:20, 22 July 2006 (UTC)


user:Gamesmasterg9 --- case of trolling on Vote Bank[edit]

This user has been found persistently indulged in Moving the page to different Titles after being unsuccessful in AFD for which he nominated the page .He has created new page Votebank and have done vandal redirects to this one which have now been fixed by redirecting to the old version.PLZ also see relevant talk on the page Votebank politics in India which has been shifted to this title by this user from Vote Bank.I recommend some admin action in this case.The user must recieve block for these disruptions.Holy---+---Warrior 17:10, 22 July 2006 (UTC)


User:Azmoc[edit]

Azmoc (talk · contribs) has only one edit to article space, but spends all of his time making uncivil remarks and attacks. I have blocked him for 48 hours (the second time he has been blocked) for this threat of vandalism. User:Zoe|(talk) 19:16, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Can a user deny an unblock?[edit]

Can an normal user deny an unblock if it's an obvious no?--The ikiroid (talk·desk·Advise me) 14:22, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

I think it's a bad idea, except in the case of someone not giving IP address or autoblock information, who isn't blocked by name. Then, you could leave {{autoblock}} there and remove the request. I think otherwise, it's important that at least someone who can unblock takes a look. Mangojuicetalk 14:26, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
How about in cases where someone puts an unblock template on a user/IP that isn't blocked at all?--AOL account (205.188.116.200) 14:28, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
If it's a user or IP and they aren't blocked (or haven't been blocked in a long time), leave the {{autoblock}} message, if they didn't leave the block message. I guess it's also okay in cases where the block shows up but has already been undone or has expired. If you guys want to help, actually, one thing that would be very helpful is to go through the Reviewed requests for unblock, and remove tags that are old or for which the block has expired. The {{unblock reviewed}} template says that the request continues to be visible, but that really isn't true if most of the requests are out of date. Mangojuicetalk 14:57, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
I can't see why not, generally non-admins can do anything which don't require the admin buttons close RFAs AFDs which are keeps, detag speedies which aren't really speedies etc. --pgk(talk) 15:47, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Corrected RFA --> AFD, as I'm sure that's what Pgk meant, and I *really* don't want to have to deal with the effects of what a misreading of the statment could do at RfA. Essjay (Talk) 00:11, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Haha, better than that, has an anon ever tried to close an RfA? I'm sure it would be User:69.145.123.171 if ir was anyone...... The ikiroid (talk·desk·Advise me) 03:46, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

It's no big deal......I won't make any block decisions unless I become an admin, it's not in my power to unblock or protect a talkpage from attacks if the user goes bad. The ikiroid (talk·desk·Advise me) 16:19, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

As a non-admin, I posted a couple denials:
  1. Case 1: Vandal continued to vandalize articles, after test4, I requested an admin to block, and I posted the blockmessage. When the user requested an unblock, I contacted the admin who performed the block and decided to deny the unblock, so I responded to the unblock request.
  2. Case 2: User requests unblock multiple time while I and admins are on rcpatrol. I report the unblock request reason, they deny it, and I post the unblock deny on that user's talkpage on behalf of the admins. This case was brought up in my RfA.
I'd say, the best course of action would be to play it safe and only do so if you have an admin backing you up and willing to vouch for the unblock deny on your behalf. ~Kylu (u|t) 21:56, 22 July 2006 (UTC)


Citing own material in which financial interest exists[edit]

On the Attachment Therapy page user JeanMercer continues to add as a reference a book she wrote with two others, Sarner and his spouse, Rosa. Mercer receives royalties for this and is a leader of the advocacy group Advocates for Children in Therapy, which financially benefits from the book sales. She has been warned once about this and I put a note on her talk page as a second warning. I'd appreciate your advice and interventionn here. RalphLender 23:38, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

It's bad form, but is it against policy? How is the book regarded by others? Would it ever be cited by someone not involved with it? Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 23:58, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
If it's self-published (or otherwise small circulation), it's not considered a reliable source. --InShaneee 00:30, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

It's not self-published, but was brought out by Praeger, an imprint of Greenwood. This is an academic press that provides initial expert review, developmental review, and professional editing services. Jacket comments were provided by Elizabeth Loftus and Frederick Crews, and there is a series forward by Hiram Fitzgerald of the World Association for Infant Mental Health (the series was Child Psychology and Mental Health). This book was cited by the APSAC task force in 2006 with respect to the use of Attachment Therapy. However, as is the case for many serious books, the royalties have been very small-- I would suppose each author has realized no more than $200 from the book in the three years it has been out, rather less than it took to prepare the ms.. This is in fact the only single publication that gives a thorough analysis of the topic, and that is why I cite it.

I could, of course, avoid being the subject of such complaints if I did not reveal my identity, but I consider it important for people to know who is speaking about a subject so relevant to the well-being of children and families.

Incidentally, I applaud the distinction made by InShanee between self-published and other material, but I'd like to take this opportunity to point out that today there are a number of what one might call "printer-ready publishers" who provide none of the services of a company like Praeger, but permit authors to avoid having their work tagged "self-published." Such publishers add complexity to the existing problem of identifying authoritative information without careful reading and analysis.Jean Mercer 13:25, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

This belongs on the article discussion page, not ANI. Phr (talk) 01:27, 23 July 2006 (UTC)


Tribalwar AFD Page[edit]

Has gotten lots of hit with personal attacks -- Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Tribalwar -- and has nothing to do with the subject matter. --FBISeal.png Shane (talk/contrib) 04:20, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I would recommend the personal attacks be removed, but would rather have clearnce to proceed. --Pilotguy (roger that) 04:45, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

It's pretty grotesque. There has been a huge influx of red accounts and IP's, all showing up in an instant and uttering nonsense. I'm not sure that anyone will be able to close the thing and feel secure about the decision, so I'd guess that DRV will be necessary. At any rate, actual personal attacks can be stricken through (the old <s> </s> tags), as that leaves them where they are but shows that the remarks are clutter and insults. Geogre 10:47, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Very nasty business, though inevitable - after all, it was nominated by a Wikipedia user with some sort of previous personal dispute with some (possibly many) of the forum members (see here and here). Nothing good was ever going to come of this - in fact, I suspect the only reason the AfD hasn't been closed as bad-faith is either that the editor is sufficiently well-established to get away with it, that the admins reckon a reasonably proper AfD process can still be salvaged from this mess (and I hope it's this one), or that no-one has noticed yet. - makomk 20:13, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
If this were to be reviewed once more. All you need to do is check the history to see what is going on. --Shane (talk/contrib) 00:21, 23 July 2006 (UTC)


216.164.203.90 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)[edit]

It appears that the "Nanook vandal", known by such registered names as Raptor30 (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log), Rappy30V2 (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log) (V3, etc.) and Nookdog (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log), is asking various people to be unblocked. If it can be demonstrated that there is collateral damage at other IPs (strangely, starting with 64) or because others using "Google Web Accelerator, which assigns a small set of proxy Ip's [sic] to it's [sic] users" as claimed (despite the seeming impossibility, as this user's IP has been static from the start), then any such damage certainly should be mitigated. Given the massive evidence against 216.164.203.90, however, this IP should not be unblocked under any circumstances for the foreseeable future. RadioKirk (u|t|c) 06:47, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

This user (who previously impersonated me in IRC and on Wikinews) has created wikt:User:Radio Kirk (where I already have an account, without the space) and wikispecies:User:RadioKirk (where I didn't) to impersonate me again. Fortunately, it's painfully obvious... RadioKirk (u|t|c) 21:26, 22 July 2006 (UTC)



81.36.29.122 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)[edit]

This guy simply doesn't follow wikipedia's standards. He continuosly makes edits to Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 2 without showing any proof, then when asked, still doesn't until he gets close to breaking the 3rr. Even then, he claims other experienced and respected user's to be idiots or stupid, makes various personal attacks, and blanks user's comments[53]. He ignores all warnings given to him, and has been given countless chances to stop his hostile behavior/vandalism. I am becoming very stressed with this retunring vandal, as he uses different IPs to escape blocking, and is very stuck up. It's becoming a challenge for me to not make personal attacks myself.--KojiDude (talk) 20:23, 22 July 2006 (UTC)


Port scanning[edit]

I'm wondering why I'm getting this.

16:55:56 Port Scanning has been detected from 207.142.131.228 (scanned ports:TCP (4749, 4748, 4746, 4742, 4744, 4745))

15:59:46 Port Scanning has been detected from 207.142.131.228 (scanned ports:TCP (3179, 3146, 3181, 3184, 3182, 3183))

(timestamp is in gmt-4) This is a Wikimedia IP. I've been getting this intermittently for the past 12 hours. Just thought I'd make a note of it someplace. — Nathan (talk) / 20:47, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) might get more response. --pgk(talk) 20:51, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll post it there too. If you feel you need to remove the post from here, go right ahead - I'll be watching both places. — Nathan (talk) / 20:59, 22 July 2006 (UTC)



User 68.96.102.166 - please unprotect talk page, he's vandalizing again[edit]

The block for IP editor 68.96.102.166 has apparently expired, because he is making a mess. He's blanked the Talk:Newbie page, redirected Floob from Newbie to Wright brothers, and I can't warn him because his talk page is protected. Could someone lift the talk page block and/or reblock him? Thanks - Baseball,Baby! ballsstrikes 22:20, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Unprotected (you know, that's the reason I was one of the few against allowing blocked users to edit their user talk pages...). --cesarb 22:26, 22 July 2006 (UTC)


User:Sarner and User:DPeterson[edit]

I've blocked User:Sarner for 48 hours for the following personal attack: [54]. There's some nastiness going on here; I first became aware of it when I denied a very inappropriate speedy deletion tag on Advocates for Children in Therapy (see [55]), which itself could have merited a block, but instead I gave a stern warning. I left WP for the day and came back to find they'd had a bit of a fight on my talk page. Advocates for Children in Therapy has now been nominated by Sarner for deletion; his reasoning consists of a LOT of failing to assume good faith. I invite others to review the situation. Mangojuicetalk 01:27, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

rootology (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)[edit]

This user is tagging article after article for deletion to "illustrate a point" relative to the current Encyclopedia Dramatica AfD. A little warning might be in order. Thanks. (Netscott) 04:03, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

This user's own words, "I'm trying to demonstrate". Definitely fits the definition of POINT. (Netscott) 04:10, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
Every one of the SEVEN tagged articles are minor ones that warrent PROD and all fail a variety of things. Some of them have support from others to delete. What disruption? I can't PROD articles? rootology 04:11, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
Let's assume good faith here. He could have used other accounts--which I believe the wikipedia's rules are like ebay's: none can be blocked and they can't interact on the same articles, and it's allowed--so his actions would not be watched, but he didn't. assume good faith? Hardvice 04:18, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
Rotology's words, "I'm trying to demonstrate that the WP:WEB for wikis overall are valid to keep". Tagging article after article for deletion to illustrate your point is not the way to do things. You're just going to cause problems and anger folks who in seeing your POINTed behavior are likely to start editing in retaliatory ways relative to yourself and further disrupt Wikipedia. (Netscott) 04:20, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
Hardvice, according to User:Tony Sidaway you're on notice for trolling over this issue... you're not in the best position to be discussing this matter. (Netscott) 04:21, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
Not to mention that "he didn't try to hide his rule violations" is hardly a saving argument. --InShaneee 04:26, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
I think it's okay for people to make points while NOT disrupting Wikipedia. I don't see how those articles are inappropriate to nominate, nor how the AfD debates that might result (if the PRODs don't go through) would be disruptive any more than any other debate. To me, WP:POINT use of deletion process involves either (1) tagging of articles that are clearly worthwhile, or (2) tagging of articles for disingenuous reasons (such as, because they are edited by an editor someone else is in a dispute with). Mangojuicetalk 04:28, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
It's understandable that in light of hardvice (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)'s own pointed demonstrations he'd be inclined to defend User:Rootology. Both of these users should be blocked for an extended period of time. (Netscott) 04:29, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Mass AfDing/PRODing is going to rile folks up especially given the environment it's been done in. Doing that just causes hard feelings and inclines people to act in retaliatory ways... (Netscott) 04:32, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Netscott, I'm actually not trolling. I am expressing myself. I am inclined to think you are the one trolling: following root around, personal attacks on me here, and stirring up trouble. Hardvice 05:37, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

I have to say that if the only way we can reference an article is by it's homepage, then that may indeed not qualify it as an encyclopedia entry under WP:RS. Though that is just a guideline, not policy, if we are not able to find reliable secondary sources about the subject, it may not be notable for inclusion.--MONGO 05:47, 23 July 2006 (UTC)


Netscott also posted (I believe to Tony's Talk page) that we should have an official WP policy against articles on subjects that criticize Wikipedia. I don't think I should be banned for anything. Look at the replies to WP:WEB on my post. Compliments, civil discussion. "Good job on the PRODS". Hipocrite and Netscott are e-stalking my activities I think, given I stood up against them in good faith. ED is gone from WP. They can come back when they eventually get more notable, and when they do should be welcomed back the same as any other "notable" subject. I prod'd articles that are lacking. Would it be not disruptive if I did "one"? Or is seven too much? If I find 5,492 articles merit deletion per policy, am I not allowed to PROD? If I find (somehow) 15000 or 100000, should they not go because it's a big number? I don't understand this. I never wandered into any of this admin stuff before. I edited my cheerful little projects, and while digging around for the one baby project I started, I found Habbo Hotels mess. That led to this. If I get banned, ban. I'll appeal to ArbCom if I have to. This is absurd. Thanks, I'm done and am unwatching this page now. Apparently only people popular in the right cliques can "be bold". rootology 06:27, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

  • Leaving aside for a moment the evidence of disruption, nominating those articles is, on the whole, uncontentious: none of them appear to have reliable secondary sources, and most can easily be dealt with in a single sentence in some other article. MONGO is right - if the only source is the site itself we really can't cover it per policy. Just zis Guy you know? 12:22, 23 July 2006 (UTC)


4.243.215.217 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) abusing {{unblock}}[edit]

4.243.215.217 (talk · contribs) is abusing {{unblock}} on User talk:4.243.215.217. An admin told him to wait out the block, and he readded {{unblock}} with the reason: 'I don't wanna!'

He was blocked for engaging in personal attacks on his talk page. Due to this and the abuse of {{unblock}}, I seek protection of his talk page. Computerjoe's talk 10:11, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

2007-07-21 SPUI[edit]

SPUI (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log) has gone off the deep end. S/he's been edit warring on Freeway-related topics all month. There was the WP:POINT move of Freeway (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) to Highway with full control of access and no cross traffic (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). That took weeks to fix (that was prior to my involvement).

But today, s/he's gone hog-wild WP:POINT creating:

And making hundreds of re-categorizations. Categories take even longer to fix than mere moves.

After losing the renaming of Category:Freeways (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Limited-access roads (edit |