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Disruptive actions of Alec U.K.[edit]

User:Alec - U.K.'s disruptive edits on a number of topics, and probable use of a sockpuppet previously reported to WP:AN/I (see Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive147#Disruptive_and_inconsistent_editing_-_Alec_-_U.K.) but was time-guillotined with no admin commenting or taking any action. Alec is back on respiratory/asthma related topics, acting outside of consenses with attempts by several editors to engage him in discussion to reach consensus (particularly ArmadilloFromHell).

Today these edits to Asthma with unencyclopeadic personal speculation as to what asthma might be misconstrude with, this attempt to again claim on 'Category:Respiratory agents' that asthma is not a disease (consensus clearly set out on Talk:Asthma#.22Disease.22. Also again trying to fragment topic with attempts to distinguish asthma, asthmatic, asthma attacks with switching of "asthma" for the term that redirects to this of "asthma attack" in Respiratory failure (see [1] here).

Could an admin have a look at previous WP:AN/I posting and the above items. Please either act, or if not appropriate for WP:AN/I then advise us of how we should be trying to proceed :-) David Ruben Talk 20:46, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Also of interest is User_talk: which is a suspected sock puppet. The editing style is identical pushing the same POV. Regan123 21:53, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Please stop him permanently, I've no idea what his agenda is, but this is worse that blatant vandalism. A vandal you just keep reverting, since it's clear what's going on, in this case, by mixing valid edits with nonsense, it becomes much harder to deal with and becomes so time-consuming that his edits are left as is. I'm sure as a result, a lot of misinfromation has been added, this has gone way beyond WP:AGF - it's now a case of WP:ABF (and it's not the least bit funny) --ArmadilloFromHell 00:19, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
User: has made a further edit last night again stating the Asthma is not a disease which has been reverted by multiple editors on many pages before. The editing style remains identical. I am convinced this is a sock puppet. Also see here for an example of a circular redirect that I had to issue speedys on. Regan123 10:28, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Mall spam[edit]

Dvac (talk · contribs) created a large number of very similar articles on shopping malls, all of which were (quite by chance I'm sure) operated by the same company. I have nearly finished nuking all those which are of the style Foo Mall is a mall in Foo, Bar, built in 19xx plus a list of anchor stores, the official website, and a link to the property company. About thirty of them were created in alphabetical order, so help me. Many notes were left on the user's Talk page, I don't see any evidence of responses. In fact, I don't see any evidence of any activity other than adding directory data to malls. I blocked the account. I am a heartless bastard with no appreciation of shopping as a leisure activity. Or something. Guy (Help!) 00:12, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I was wondering what was up this afternoon when there were so many malls in the speedy queue. I didn't touch any of them because the mall debate is one I'd like to stay out of (much like the school debate). Thanks JzG for wiping out them all and a huge thanks, as well, to Pascal.Tesson (talk · contribs) who tagged them all. Metros232 00:18, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
A few (a very few) good subjects may have been swept up among the cruft. Apologies if so, any admin should feel free ot resurrect any such. Guy (Help!) 00:30, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
What reason is there to block this user and delete all his edits? They (the ones I can see) contain verifiable content and are written from a neutral point of view. Yes, it's unfortunate that they all belong to the same company, and yes, the writer is probably part of that company too, but damn. Do we encourage people to write about what they no about, and then block them because the material is outside one's area of interest? — CharlotteWebb 00:48, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Actually, I went ahead and tagged a few of the malls with speedy deletion tags which were removed by CharlotteWebb so I will make a group nomination for AfD. They seem to me to all be clear-cut cases of both A7 and G11. Pascal.Tesson 02:08, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Please do not do it as a blanket case as what has happened here. In this case, many notable articles that meet general Wikipedia requirements are nominated for deletion based on little to no evidence. As with the ones in this case, I cannot see a reason to delete all of them since some are written in a neutral point of view and contain verifiable content. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 04:11, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
The reason for deleting the articles and blocking the account is that he created several tens of articles on malls operated by a single company, in alphabetical order, all of which were directory entries and linking back to the property company's website. Numerous messages were left on Talk in an attempt to engage the user, but all were completely ignored. This is what we call WP:SPAM. Guy (Help!) 09:09, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
It is also what we call a conflict of interest and an autobiography. Aecis Dancing to electro-pop like a robot from 1984. 09:11, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
  • An article of the form Guy described really isn't that helpful. In my local mall I've seen at least 4 shops leave and new ones coming in their place. A long list of shops in a particular mall is simply not encyclopedic, and when you get that out, it's merely a substub with more links than actual content. Perhaps we need an example of what a featured mall article would look like, just like the few School FAs we have. - Mgm|(talk) 08:48, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Yup. And WP:NOT a directory - the articles I deleted were directory entries. Guy (Help!) 09:07, 24 November 2006 (UTC)


Is this username offensive enough to merit action? -- Donald Albury 04:05, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, blocked. I can't see any instance where the word Nigger in any form isn't going to offend someone. pschemp | talk 04:07, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
And I sent an article he created to AfD earlier today. Ah, well. I've got his talk page on my watch list, and my e-mail is activated. -- Donald Albury 04:33, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Kingdom Hearts[edit]

Can someone with a little better detective work take a look at Talk:Kingdom Hearts? It looks like DiamondDragon (talk · contribs) tried to create archives and it didn't go so well. From what I see, the user simply copied and pasted into archive 2...but I see no evidence of archive 1 being made with content, just the pages created for them. That's what drew me to them, the blank archive page for Talk:Kingdom Hearts/Archive1 was tagged for speedy deletion as empty content. Can someone figure out what happened? Metros232 04:06, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Look better? Key was that the first archive was put into Kingdom Hearts/Archive instead of Talk:Kingdom Hearts/Archive1, i.e. no Talk:... —Wknight94 (talk) 04:15, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

need immediate lockdown, please![edit]

A whole bunch of shit is hitting the fan right now at Talk:Evolution, and it's really dunb shit. Please lock this page for an hour or so to let folks cool off. If not, things are going to spiral quickly and badly, possibly resulting in blocks for otherwise good editors. Consider this a 9-1-1 call. --Doc Tropics Message in a bottle 07:08, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

You want to have a talk page locked? It looks like people are being a little hostile back and forth, but locking a talk page is pretty extreme... Georgewilliamherbert 07:20, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
I know a bit about this group; things are getting ugly and it would be a serious shame for any of them to get blocked. The talkpage hasn't hosted any serious discussion in the past hour, just an increasingly tense situation. Just an hour's protection, to let things cool down? --Doc Tropics Message in a bottle 07:30, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
(I am not an admin, but...) It's not just procedural that first, you should contact people on their talk pages and ask them to calm down and take a bit of time off (which I just did to one of the parties). Protecting a page should only happen after other approaches including warnings to users and short blocks if necessary have failed. I can't blame you for wanting to try to calm it down a bit, but start at the right starting point: ask people nicely, on their talk pages, to calm down... In overall seriousness, this is nowhere near as bad as many other flame wars which we've let run without locking a page. Georgewilliamherbert 07:27, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Hopefully your comments will take care of it then. Thanks for your help. There was a crazy blaze of comments on the talkpage, coming so fast I kept getting edit conflicts when trying to appeal for peace. I guess I just panicked :( Thanks again. --Doc Tropics Message in a bottle 07:30, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

So, that's what a flame-war looks like, eh? I'd never been close enough to one to feel the heat! So I yelled for help, and it was a false alarm. In my city there's actually a hefty fine for calling in false alarms, so...who do I make the check out to? --Doc Tropics Message in a bottle 08:04, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

The fine for this incident is that at some point in the future, when you see an argument break out and get too heated on a topic you aren't personally involved in on Wikipedia, you have to go to the heated debaters' talk pages and leave them friendly messages asking them to calm down and be patient 8-)
Have a good night. Glad the situation calmed down. Georgewilliamherbert 08:22, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

User:NRC ADMIN[edit]

I believe putting the word "admin" in your username is a no-no. Also appears to be a sock puppet created to influence Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Spinosaurus Vs Rex. -Anþony (talk) 11:20, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Blocked indefinitely. — Nearly Headless Nick {L} 11:28, 24 November 2006 (UTC)


User:Threeafterthree has, for many months, been attempting to remove any designation on biographical articles of individuals as "Jewish", particularly famous and respected people like Albert Einstein,[2] though he apparently has no issue with it if the person happens to be Harold Shipman, the U.K.'s worst mass-murderer.[3] In addition, he has been insisting on removing "Antisemitic" categories from various individuals considered antisemites, but insisting on adding the "Racism" category to various Jews and Jewish groups, and insisting that people like Leo Frank were not "innocent", but merely "convicted on circumcstantial evidence". All in all, it adds up to something quite ugly. If that weren't bad enough, he's been edit warring as an IP editor, for which he has been blocked 3 times in the past week and evading his blocks and sockpuppeting as a third editor. I've blocked all the accounts for a month, but I'm wondering if a permanent block is more in order. Thoughts? Jayjg (talk) 23:47, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Jayjg, reading your comments here, I would support an indefinite block on this user. Suggesting hatred towards a religious group is just not on. I think you have done very much the right thing here. --SunStar Net 00:16, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Can you provide examples of suggesting hatred towards a religious group?-- 15:30, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Very odd. By what definition is a convicted murderer, whose conviction was never overturned, "innocent"? And I don't see any edits by this user to Harold Shipman at least as far back as 2002. -- Kendrick7talk 00:59, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Very odd response. Frank is infamous for having been falsely convicted and, in fact, being an innocent man: The Leo Frank case is considered one of the most egregious miscarriages of justice in the legal annals of Georgia... The degree of anti-Semitism involved in Frank's conviction and subsequent lynching is difficult to assess, but it was enough of a factor to have inspired Jews, and others, throughout the country to protest the conviction of an innocent man...Slaton reviewed more than 10,000 pages of documents, visited the pencil factory where the murder had taken place, and finally decided that Frank was innocent. He commuted the sentence, however, to life imprisonment, assuming that Frank's innocence would eventually be fully established and he would be set free... etc.[4] As for Shipman, did you bother clicking on the links provided? Jayjg (talk) 02:58, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Jayjg, do you think that prior to your block Threeafterthree (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) was avoiding accruing a history of blocks through puppetry? It seems rather odd that he'd never been blocked before under his user name. (Netscott) 03:59, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
My point is, Leo Frank isn't innocent in the eyes of the law. You don't seem to have picked the best edits to criticize here. -- Kendrick7talk 04:47, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
The case is a famous miscarriage of justice according to everyone who's written about it extensively, to the best of my knowledge, and so there's no reason to keep removing the category. Threeafterthree has e-mailed me to say that the two other editors are people he lives with. I assume he means User: and User:Backroomlaptop.
There are similarities in editing style, articles edited, and general interests. Lots of Jewish-related interests, and specifically removing that people are Jews, even from well-known Jews such as Steven Spielberg (Threeafterthree removed that) and Elie Weisel (Backroomlaptop's first edit was to remove from the first sentence that Wiesel is Jewish, then add to the end of the lead that he's of "Jewish decent [sic]". [5]) Threeafterthree even removed "of Jews" from a quote which said that Martin Luther's work had tragic effects "on later generations of Jews." He twice removed "of Jews," [6] [7] saying he was correcting the quote, but the quote does say "of Jews." [8]
Also, Threeafterthree enabled to evade 3RR at Kahanism. The anon added Category:Racism at 21:51 Nov 16, and reverted three times; then Threeafterthree arrived to revert at 02:57 Nov 17, despite having not edited since September 1. There's also one distinctive thing that Threeafterthree and one of the others do, which I won't mention here. I'd say they're all the same person. SlimVirgin (talk) 05:31, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Actually, there are two versions of this document on the web. The one you link to from Canada has "of Jews", the American one does not [9]. His edit is correct for the reference at which was actually being cited in the article. -- Kendrick7talk 10:11, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
The link in the article is dead, so how do you know? SlimVirgin (talk) 19:59, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
The link in the article is to the domain, even though they may have moved the page. So now you are saying User:Threeafterthree has psychic powers? Or are you saying he hacked that website and removed the words from the WP:RS just to make you look foolish? -- Kendrick7talk 21:24, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Also, mentioning someone's religion first thing in the lead is really a matter of taste. I'd view articles starting "Antonio Banderas is a Catholic actor" or "George Bush is a Methodist politician" as fairly silly. Are you seriously complaining about this edit [10] on Steven Spielberg? -- Kendrick7talk 11:37, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
It's not a question of "complaining" about any particular edit. The question is whether the accounts are run by one person. SlimVirgin (talk) 19:59, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Why block for one month? Why block backroom indefinately? This seems really excessive.-- 15:27, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
But the paragraph he removed was an unsourced tirade calling Steven Spielburg a worse anti-Semite than Mel Gibson, no? You have completely mischaracterized this as User:Threeafterthree "removing that people are Jews". When you are wrong about things that can be checked, it makes it harder to trust you on things which can not be checked. -- Kendrick7talk 21:24, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Then instead of relying on one link, why not spend a few minutes looking through his contribs? Then you'll see the similarities for yourself. And please review CIV. SlimVirgin (talk) 07:38, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
How is Kendrick being uncivil? Because he caught your mistakes and mischaracterations of this user? This case is beyong flimsy. What did this editor do to you to warrant this? -- 15:27, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
You seem to have a strange understanding of American law, Frank was murdered before all the flaws in his case were properly analyzed. "The eyes of the law" see these flaws even more so.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 05:18, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Doesn't the cabal, and its usuall members who have shown up here together, again, have anything better to do than to witch hunt and block editors? Seriously guys, and gal, you are so transparent!-- 12:46, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

And you are an insulting troll. Thank you for your for insults, please go back to ED or Wikitruth or whatever hell you come from. An infuriated ElaragirlTalk|Count 16:20, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

A one month block is a very long block. I do not support this block and think it should be withdrawn. If an editor poses an immediate threat of disruption, then you should block for a few hours or a day at most, during which time you should come to ANI to gauge consensus. Otherwise, you should do a discussion or warning on the user's talk page. In this case, I see no immediate threat, nor any attempts on Jayjg's part to warn or discuss and consequently feel that the block should be recalled. I make no judgment on whether the blocked user exhibited any anti-Semitic edits, only on Jayjg's implementation of policy, which I find flawed and unfair to the accused. -lethe talk + 21:21, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Ring modulator (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)[edit]

The previous ANI discussion regarding activity by this editor under his previous username is here. He has also been blocked under this user name for incivility. Yesterday he issued this warning to a new user for making and reversing their own test edit. He then contacted User:HighInBC, whom he thought was an admin, and asked for the new user to be blocked. HighInBC correctly responded that a block would be inappropriate given the nature of the test edit, and instructed Ring modulator that use of the blatant vandal warning was inappropriate in this circumstance. Hoping to not scare off the new user, HighInBC removed Ring modulator's warning, replaced it with a welcome message on the new user's talk page, and told the new user the message was placed in error. Today, Ring modulator placed this message on the new user's page, even though the new user had made no further edits. This seems to be harrassment in my view. The message was properly removed by User:Dina. Dina contacted Ring modulator, told him she removed the message and why. Ring modulator responded to Dina with this uncivil edit. Ring modulator has continued to use the blatant vandal warning inappropriately here. I feel Ring modulator should be blocked again for incivility and biting new users. Accurizer 12:51, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

On a related note, I've indefinitely blocked Blindnimratt (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log) for this edit (their first and only one) to Ring modulator's talk page. This is obviously someone's sock, but can anyone identify whose? —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 16:49, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

What appears to be trolling of some sort[edit]

Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mandarin_Emperor_style_dildo please look into this right away ▪◦▪≡Ѕirex98≡ 08:26, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

  • I've left a note on the Chinese noticeboard and asked someone to comment on the content of the Chinese sources of the article in question. - Mgm|(talk) 08:43, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

▪◦▪≡Ѕirex98≡ 09:08, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I thought that non-English language sources are frowned upon in the English Wikipedia? Anchoress 09:10, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
English-language sources are preferred, but in their absence, non-English language sources are perfectly fine. Assuming, of course, that they exist and are translated correctly. --Sam Blanning(talk) 13:05, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Make that 4

has nothing to do with "non-English language sources" its a hoax. ▪◦▪≡Ѕirex98≡ 09:31, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Were you responding to me? Because I was responding to the note about inviting evaluation of the non-english language sources. Anchoress 09:45, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm sorry Anchoress, that not what I meant, there is something more then just a afd going on here, i'm not exactly sure what but it's very fishy, I was hoping someone would like into what is going on here look at the history of this afd and what some of the users are doing▪◦▪≡Ѕirex98≡ 09:53, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Sirex98 is right about there being something fishy; MingNei is running quite the sockfarm trying to influence the AFD. I've blocked the underlying IP for a week (until the AFD is over) and will strike the votes from the socks, but I somehow expect this won't be the end of the socking. Essjay (Talk) 10:37, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

In case anyone would like to block them, the socks are as follows:
I've already blocked the IP and struck the votes, if someone feels like tagging and blocking the socks, please do. Essjay (Talk) 10:50, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

All socks are permablocked Alex Bakharev 12:10, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I made a mistake at interpreting what was going on as far as peoples reactions here, please see my talk page where I gave a timeline leading up my mistake understanding MacGyverMagic first reply here, my apologies to MacGyverMagic and the rest of you. ▪◦▪≡Ѕirex98≡ 12:32, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
It's a blatant hoax, admitted as such, it's a sock farm, and, frankly, a complete waste of everyone's time having to supervise it. It's clearly going to be deleted, and so I've closed the AFD, speedied the 'article', and protected it from recreation. If anyone objects, I've no problem with you reverting this (though I can't see why you would). Proto::type 12:35, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

sockpuppet reposting[edit]

First see AFD [15] here: three articles were deleted at AfD: Advanced commando combat system is now up as a repost. I have tagged the article for speedy deletion and have warned the perpetrator User:Teacherteacher on their talk page. However, it IS a sockpuppet creation of a deleted article. Does this warrant a block for teacherteacher? Note: Teachteacher also spammed his link on CQB and Martial arts, which was how I found it, as I monitor CQB (note: awe and the AfD was one of my first too...look how noobish I was!) SWATJester Ready Aim Fire! 08:55, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

  • I wouldn't block someone for a single repost. More than one and it becomes a problem. - Mgm|(talk) 10:48, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I should have been more clear: I wasn't suggesting it for the repost: it was for the new account creation, afd avoidal and reposting, and the linkspam combined. SWATJester Ready Aim Fire! 11:09, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

  • How are you so sure it's a sockpuppet? Was the other account blocked? I'd try a block for linkspamming if they persist. - Mgm|(talk) 12:22, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

The sockpuppetry claim is based on an almost identical article with inclusion in the exact same wikipedia entries that it was included in last time. As for the other account, I have no clue. It was back in february of this year, I don't remember the result of it. SWATJester Ready Aim Fire! 19:13, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

NetScott harassment[edit]

Please Help![edit]

Admin Glen S has made a totally inapprobriate block here. Please Unblock. There are Two very good reasons. 1- The users are not the same and 2-Just as Important the reason given was evading of block! But the the previous block of 31 hours had already EXPIRED!! 3- As far as I know users do not always choose their ISP address so it wouldn't be intentional (this is moot since these two people are not sock puppets)

Please see time diff: (over 31 hours had pasted even for the sake of argument it was the same IP address user which it clearly was not) [[16]] [[17]] Please unblock User 119.60 and notify/Warn User:Glen_S of his terrible mistake. Thanks I have done nothing wrong except contribute and voiced my fair opinion on My talk page. I have reason to believe that Glen_S's block of this user therefore was a pretext and possible racially motivated for attempted contributions to the Michael Richards article, which would be a is a serious violation of WP. Thank you.

I keep getting harassed/blanked, WIKIStalked and reverted by User:NetScott also from my userpage and ANI page. Please warn or block him him. see [[18]] Thanks for your help with this intimidation. Its like a cyber lynching of people who are different or something. It is very unfair. Thanks for your help we should support diversity not discourage it! 13:37, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

This repetitively abusive editor is evading previous blocks. See Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#NetScott_harassment also see User_talk: and User_talk: (you may need to review the histories of those talk page for they may be targetted for blanking by this editor). Now this editor is admin shopping (spamming): spam1, spam2, spam3, spam4. (Netscott) 13:45, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
The word disruption comes to mind. (Netscott) 13:49, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I, Freestylefrappe am back[edit]

I am back. I was formerly User:Freestylefrappe, but this is my new account. No longer will I be using the Ya ya ya ya ya account, or any of my other sockpuppets. --Horbeine 15:01, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Indef-blocked by Pilotguy. Move along, please, nothing to see here... Guy (Help!) 15:07, 24 November 2006 (UTC)


Peripatetic / Beaumontproject[edit]

I have a complaint by email from User:Peripatetic that he is autoblocked as a result of a block I made on User:Beaumontproject. I can't see this; and I'm offnet for the weekend; so if someone else could take a look? Thanks William M. Connolley 18:03, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

  • It appears this user was hit by an autoblock on an IP he shares with Beaumontproject because the third checkbox was checked to avoid Beaumontproject avoiding the block with another IP. I've killed the autoblock. - Mgm|(talk) 20:23, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Illegal blocking of User:Bowser Koopa[edit]

A user by the name of Bowser Koopa has been blocked from wikipedia without proper warning. User:AuburnPilot was the one who reported Bowser Koopa to User:Metros232, who immediately blocked Bowser Koopa and labeled him a "vandalism only" account. I am addressing this because Bowser Koopa only vandalised ONE page and was warned for it. He only received one warning of his actions. He goofed around with his talk page but received no warning or anything(he only received a hint). AuburnPilot then told Bowser Koopa that the talk page was not "his" and that anybody could say whatever they want and that Bowser Koopa could not delete it without their permission. He then went to AuburnPilot's talk page and posted a fake vandalism warning as a joke, yet it was deleted without Bowser Koopa's permission and AuburnPilot reported him to Metros232, who ignored the fact Bowser Koopa never received a final warning and blocked him indefinately. Not only was one rule ignored, but another(deleting a message on a talk page without permission) was also committed. There is major hypocrisy here that I want to stop. I am requesting Bowser Koopa be unblocked and given another chance, and for Metros232 to be accountable for his mistakes. That is all.-User:Captain Insano shows no mercy

These users are clearly the same. They have similar edit summary styles, refer to each other in similar manners, sign their posts the same ways, etc. I guess it depends what people want to make of this fact. Regardless, edits like this are totally unacceptable. You can't say "Well I shouldn't have been blocked because I wasn't warned", because you shouldn't have made those edits and it doesn't take reading policies to understand that. And you were warned, but thought it might be funny to vandalise the warning. As such I've blocked this account too. Enjoy. --Deskana talk 20:08, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
And just so you know, {{bv}} is a final warning. And you vandalised after it. Go figure. --Deskana talk 20:10, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, considering Koopa's 3rd edit was a request involving Bowser Koopa and Captain Insano, something was always suspected to be a little out of whack. Thanks Deskana for blocking Insano too. Metros232 20:13, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Before being blocked this editor made 7 edits to articles. 4 were vandalism, and 3 were non-encyclopedic POV rants. All were reverted. Let the blocks stand. --Doc Tropics Message in a bottle 20:17, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

hit and run vandal blanking User Pages[edit]

Here's today's action by (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)

  1. 20:25, 24 November 2006 (hist) (diff) User talk:Tariqabjotu (←Replaced page with 'those are stupid pictures')
  2. 20:24, 24 November 2006 (hist) (diff) User talk:Jacek Kendysz (←Replaced page with 'are you a polak?')
  3. 20:23, 24 November 2006 (hist) (diff) User talk:FrancoGG (←Replaced page with 'j]')
  4. 20:22, 24 November 2006 (hist) (diff) User talk:Squirepants101 (←Blanked the page)
  5. 20:21, 24 November 2006 (hist) (diff) Talk:Rjensen/Archive 4 (←Blanked the page)

this appears to be the same vandal who uses several different IP to harrass editors who criticized Stevewk for his blanking of much of the Abraham Lincoln article. Thus we have: for For

  1. 16:42, 22 November 2006 (hist) (diff) User talk:Midnightcomm (←Replaced page with 'koi')
  2. 16:41, 22 November 2006 (hist) (diff) User talk:Busterd (←Replaced page with 'kjiu')
  3. 16:40, 22 November 2006 (hist) (diff) Abraham Lincoln and the American Civil War
  4. 16:39, 22 November 2006 (hist) (diff) Talk:Rjensen/Archive 4 (←Replaced page with 'gffg') Rjensen 20:45, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
He's been blocked by now. In the future you can use WP:AIV when reporting vandals for a faster response. --Ginkgo100 talk · e@ 21:19, 24 November 2006 (UTC)


I direct the attention to JFD and Kennethtennyson, who closely follow me committing harrasment under WP:stalking. Kindly observe this, this, this, this and I can provide a lot more.

If you take a look into the record you'll see that when I make an edit into any article first. The group follows me there and stalks me. One member of the cabal in particular, kennethtennyson has contributed next to nothing in any actual article in which he stalks me. All he does is, walk in here, violently revert and then log out.

Kindly note Kenny tried to fake the content in the Encyclopedia Brittanica citation , remove a citation and a section without any explaination whatsoever , removes an entire section without one word of explaination and fraduelently claims that the citation has anything to do with Sengchou and Huiguang .

This has become very painful. Kindly stop it as early as possible. The amount of WP policy violations they get away with is amazing. Freedom skies (send a message to Freedom skies) 21:37, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

User:Ashibaka unblocking without discussion[edit]

Ashibaka had unblocked User:Myrtone86 against consensus developed on this page [25] and without so much as trying to discuss this with me, the blocking admin. I clearly stated the block was to prevent further disruptive edits yet he is claiming it was "punative". This is not the first time he has done this and seems to be protecting the user. The user was clearly editing disruptively and has been warned in the past. I really have a problem with Ashibaka's actions here and total lack of even trying to discuss it. pschemp | talk 04:37, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this is applicable here but the top of the page says, quote:
This is not the Wikipedia complaints department. If you came here to complain about the actions of a user or administrator, or if your problem is a content issue and does not need the attention of people with administrator access, then please follow the steps in dispute resolution. These include: mediation, requests for comment, and as a last resort requests for arbitration.
Cheers, Yuser31415 reply!|contribs|help me improve 04:47, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
It isn't, the block was a result of a discussion on this page and this is a continuation of a discussion already on the page if you read carefully. This is where we discuss behaviour *between* admins. It does need the attention of other admins, since only they can stop admin actions. Mediation is not needed for people who wheel war. pschemp | talk 04:54, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Oh, I see now. Sorry for bothering you ;) Yuser31415 reply!|contribs|help me improve 05:07, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Agree, Ashibaka should know better. Not appropriate. – Chacor 05:37, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Notice Myrtone86's block log, where Ashibaka continually saves him from preventative blocks that were the result of his actions. My good faith has run out for Myrtone and we don't need more enablers around here. Grandmasterka 05:44, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Agree, while it's possible Ashkiba was unaware of the discussion here, there was a clear consensus to block. I therefore support pschemp's reblock as well. Doc Tropics Message in a bottle 06:02, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh, hey look, I'm famous.

Ashibaka had unblocked User:Myrtone86 against consensus developed on this page [26] and without so much as trying to discuss this with me, the blocking admin.

And you first complained about this user on ANI, then complained about me on ANI, without so much as telling the user (in the first place) or me (in the second place) about it. If you're going to report an incident here, how about you tell the people involved that they've caused an incident?! Maybe you wouldn't have even had to block Myrtone if you had simply told her about this page!

I clearly stated the block was to prevent further disruptive edits yet he is claiming it was "punative". The user was clearly editing disruptively and has been warned in the past.

I rearranged your justification, hope you don't mind. The user did this once before, like six months ago or something. I got the idea the user doesn't quite understand what the templates are for, but she's not abusing them and she was not at all likely to cause further damage.

This is not the first time he has done this and seems to be protecting the user.

The user e-mails me every time she gets blocked. I guess she found me because I'm close to the top of the list of admins. I check over her block, decide she is being a nice person making a lot of good contributions and just a few mistakes, and let her edit again. She has not once gone back to causing trouble, and frankly you are the first person to complain, not because the user was a danger to the encyclopedia, nor because I negatively impacted the project in any way by reversing your block, but apparently because I didn't respect your admin authority.

I think this user poses no danger to the project, you disagree. That's okay. You posted on my talk page telling me that I was totally and obviously wrong and you were going to reblock, and I didn't argue with you. You obviously know better than me. I yield. But you seem to have your panties all in a knot over a relatively minor disagreement. What's up with this "Don't be so flipping disrespectful to your fellow admins"? I didn't say you were doing a bad job adminning. My chain of thought was, "good user, well-intended block over a legitimate mistake, user wants to get out of jail and edit again, I'll just fix things up for everyone". I even checked and noticed I had unblocked the user a few times before, so I left a warning.

I really have a problem with Ashibaka's actions here and total lack of even trying to discuss it.

If you are so up on discussing things today how about you try discussing this with the user responsible rather than huddling around in the admins' Masonic lodge to decide what to do, then simply telling the user "bam, you're blocked, problem solved". Also, maybe you could tell me when you start a discussion about me. Maybe this would solve some problems as well. Ashibaka tock 07:49, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

  • I think conflicts such as this can be avoided if an admin, whenever undoing a block made by another, notifies the blocking admin of having done this. The blocking policy also recommends that. (Radiant) 11:40, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Oh God, not again again. Now we apparently have two incorrigible editors. Endorse reblock - I would have if Pschemp hadn't - and I strongly suggest Ashibaka refrain from unblocking this particular user anymore. "The user e-mails me every time she gets blocked. I guess she found me because I'm close to the top of the list of admins" - no, it's probably because you've twice and now three times shown yourself to be a soft touch who won't bother doing the courtesy of checking with your fellow admins before you overturn their efforts to protect the encyclopaedia just because Myrtone can be polite when he/she wants. You're 43rd in the list of administrators, I doubt Myrtone has chosen you at random each time. --Sam Blanning(talk) 13:11, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
    • I'd say this isn't really about Ashibaka per se - Myrtone is hardly the only user who effectively cannot be blocked because a sympathetic admin will overturn any such blocks by default. This perennial issue seems to stem from wikiculture. (Radiant) 14:23, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

RE: Sam Blanning-- you're right, and I've asked Myrtone to use the {{unblock}} template in the future instead of e-mailing me. Ashibaka tock 18:22, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. --Sam Blanning(talk) 18:33, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Myrtone used to mail me a fair bit as well but since I've never unblocked, has cut way back. I've never unblocked because I found the blocks to be justified, this user, good intentions or not, is disruptive and blocks seem to be the only way to get a change. Support reblock, suggest that Ashibaka should post here, email or otherwise contact the blocking admin in future before unblocking. Overturning another admin is something not to be done lightly and merits discussion. ++Lar: t/c 11:25, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Endorse reblock as well. Agree that unblocks such as this should be discussed -- Samir धर्म 11:20, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

User:Lady Nemisis[edit]

User is a new account with obvious familiarity with Wikipedia offering article-for-hire services. I have no real problem with article-for-hire businesses in theory; HOWEVER, one of this users first major actions was the creation of an AfD discussion for Arch Coal which was the subject of a contentious scandal involving ANOTHER Article-for-Hire business, called MyWikiBiz. See the Signpost article dealing with this issue The similarities seem TOO MUCH for coincidence; an article-for-hire account that is trying to involve themselves in an article that was the main point of contention for a prior article-for-hire scandal? Not sure what to make of this, but it should be watched CLOSELY. --Jayron32 05:52, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

She just left what I interpret is a taunt on my talkpage. We may need to get Jimbo Wales in this unless the MyWikiBiz incident is considered a precedent and the community responds. --210physicq (c) 06:03, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Never mind, the user is now blocked. --210physicq (c) 06:06, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure it's one of our usual trolls (Rainbowwarrior1977, Courtney Akens, etc. etc. ) Antandrus (talk) 06:06, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
I'd assume so -- who the heck would hire someone who misspelled their own handle? --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 06:13, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
LOL, What a shame, I was just working up a really good, frothy head of wrathful indignation. The response to this whole situation, including the initial comments, deletions, and block...makes me kinda proud to be a wikipedian :) --Doc Tropics Message in a bottle 06:17, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Note that the taunt referred to by Physicq210 above contained the phrase "Why the long face, pussycat?", which was also used in a post yesterday by now-blocked User:Isitcozimblack of "Short Shorts and High Heels" fame above. Newyorkbrad 06:29, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

"She" left word on my talk page as well. This in-duh-vidual has obviously been here before (he said, stating the obvious). - Lucky 6.9 06:54, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Note: look at User Talk:Lady Nemisis. It appears that they are trying to be unblocked because they actually took cash to fix an article, and are now unable to do so. Too bad, so sad.... --Jayron32 17:25, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
LMAO! I still think this whole thing is TTBS (Typical Troll Bull-Shit), but either way, ya gotta laugh :) --Doc Tropics Message in a bottle 18:46, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't end. Looks like Lady Nemisis has been unblocked, and has added the following tripe to her/his own talk page. Read the dif here: [27] Really now, can we block this user indef once and for all??? --Jayron32 04:58, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

They've been indef blocked and the talk page protected from editing. Nothing else to see here, please move on. Naconkantari 04:59, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Lebanon/to do: Some sort of Personal Project Page?[edit]

I came across Lebanon/to do and don't really know what to do about it. It appears to be an article in progress? But it's obviously tucked away without a proper entry title and page. The state it's in now is more of a polemic than encyclopedic. I'm keeping an eye on it for the moment but I remain perplexed about its purpose and legitimacy on Wikipedia. Thoughts/advice? --Pigman (talk • contribs) 23:21, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

The To do subpages are crosslinked to the Main Article's talk page to provide a minor "Bulletin Board" type system of "Plz do this lol kthz" things. (Basically a todo list) I am completely unaware of why there is an article todo page rather than solely a Talk To Do page. 23:35, 24 November 2006 (UTC)/Logical2u on enforced wikibreak
The problem Paul had (I think) was the page wasn't a subpage, it was its own article. I've moved it onto Talk:Lebanon/to do. Sarah Ewart (Talk) 02:29, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
It messes up the Talk:Lebanon page pretty badly in its current form. Is it OK just to delete the whole thing except the actual todo list? --Dual Freq 02:37, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Do you mean that what I did has somehow messed up Talk:Lebanon? Also, what exactly are you asking to be deleted? Sarah Ewart (Talk) 03:10, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
NM, I see what you mean. I've moved that person's essay to their own talk page. Hopefully that's fixed it. Sarah Ewart (Talk) 03:17, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Sarah, Yeah, that was what was confusing me. Because it didn't seem connected to Lebanon in a direct way, such as having a link back to the main page or talk page of Lebanon, which I'm used to seeing on sub-pages. It certainly wasn't a complete article. And the general lack of wikifying, which I wouldn't expect from an article on Lebanon. It just struck me strange and worth noting. Sorry if it was a bother. Cheers. --Pigman (talk • contribs) 03:48, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Vanity page creators bypassing new page patrol[edit]

I debated whether or not to leave this comment here, for WP:BEANS reasons, but decided it was better to have people knowing about it and being on the watch than just letting it go on.

A lot of vanity pages are being put into the mainspace by people creating them first as user pages, where we almost always ignore them, and then moving them into the mainspace after a few days have gone by (or until their accounts have aged sufficiently for them to do this). Here's a couple examples: [28], [29]. In the last couple days I've gone through the move log for about the last week, and killed a bunch of these. (Some like Cupton I left because he's not obviously CSD A7.)

It would be great if the new page patrollers and recent change patrollers also patrolled the move log regularly. I'm trying to remember to do it.

A couple things from the developers might be nice:

  1. Include pages on Special:Newpages (mainspace) which are moved there from other spaces;
  2. A filter on the move log so we could see things moved between spaces, especially into the mainspace.

Thanks all, Antandrus (talk) 01:07, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up on this. Some of these vanity pages, especially Cororate Spams, are like bloody matter how many you stomp on, there's always more in the shadows. --Doc Tropics Message in a bottle 01:11, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Good call, thanks for the note. This has come up before: see bugzilla:5189. Snoutwood (talk) 01:23, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Excellent: thanks to Jeff G. It's been noticed before. :) Antandrus (talk) 01:27, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
As a side note, do go and vote for the bug, as that (can, maybe, sorta) show how important the community feels a certain change is. It's no guarantee that it'll be fixed, but every little bit helps. Snoutwood (talk) 02:10, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I discovered this weakness nearly a year ago but didn't want to champion a fix for fear of spilling the WP:BEANS. I managed to file the bug above, but it went unnoticed, much to my dismay. Now that we all know what the deal is, lets vote for the bug, please. Vanity pages are one thing, but the potential for serious abuse is astounding. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 11:44, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

out of wikipedia contact???[edit]

Question: Is there any guideline or policy regarding the appropriateness of a wikipedia editor getting another editor's email address through contact from the email function (we had collaborated back and forth regarding some edits several months ago), and then using that editor's email to invite them to various dating services etc? I've gotten a couple of requests from another editor, to join dating networks, social networks, and other such things. It's getting a little irritating, and I'm wondering if there is any official guidelines or policy regarding it. Don't get me wrong, I'm not asking that any action be taken against the other editor (hence why I'm not naming him), I am just curious as to the policy behind it. SWATJester Ready Aim Fire! 02:02, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

There's no policy that I'm aware of, but its obviously inappropriate. I wouldn't mind blocking the user, personally, as they're abusing a Wikipedia function. Have you talked with them about the issue? Snoutwood (talk) 02:07, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
I sent an email once the last time I got an invitation a couple months back asking it to stop. I never got a response. So I guess you could say I've attempted to talk, but I haven't successfully achieved that yet. SWATJester Ready Aim Fire! 02:17, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Well, I would say that that activity warrants a block. There's not much to be done, though, unless you'll post who they are so that they can contribute their side to this story here. Not that I don't trust you, but check and balances and all that. Plus, it's hard to do anything without some cursory information about who to involve or do it to. Snoutwood (talk) 02:37, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Editor is Mohammed Salim Khan. I'll forward the respective emails to you if you like. SWATJester Ready Aim Fire! 02:41, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to reiterate I've got no beef with the editor. I just have enough spam to deal with already and I think this may be an exploitable hole in wikipedia policy that needs to be filled somehow. SWATJester Ready Aim Fire! 02:42, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Duly noted that you have no beef with the editor; still, however, it's not O.K. Is that their actual username? They're not showing up in Special:Listusers. Snoutwood (talk) 02:47, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
That's the user's email "name". Give me 2 minutes, I'll dig up where the username is. SWATJester Ready Aim Fire! 03:13, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
[30] , user User:Salimswati. Be careful because there are like a dozen users with similar names that are a combination/permutation of the words Salim and Swat. SWATJester Ready Aim Fire! 03:20, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Actually, see the below links: I don't actually know which one it was that I talked to. SWATJester Ready Aim Fire! 03:36, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Is it really an abuse of Wikipedia function? From how I read it, the OP volunteered her/his email address in a previous exchange, and that information is now being mis-used. Anchoress 02:53, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
I see what you're saying, but they used the email this user feature to get Swatjester's e-mail address, and then used that address to spam him. In my mind, that's indirect abuse of a Wikipedia feature. Snoutwood (talk) 02:58, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Hmmm, I see what you're saying, but it seems like a dangerous precedent. I am totally on board with sanctions against certain editors who engage in off-wiki stalking, but I think (speaking as a non-admin) that we (as editors) have to take responsibility for giving out our email addresses. The OP said s/he had 'collaborated' with the other editor in a 'back and forth' exchange, which IMO says that they had productive contact, which means this is in effect a friendly off-wiki contact that went a bit sour when the OP started getting emails s/he didn't like. I am on the bulk email lists of several editors thru wiki contact who now send me christmas greetings, e-cards, and jokes. Can I get them blocked? Cuz it seems like the same thing to me. Not dissing the OP btw. Anchoress 03:18, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Our "collaboration" was his original email saying "Why did you nominate my article for deletion" and I explained it "It was a duplicate article, highly POV, and almost unrecognizable as being written in the english language it was that poorly written." That was the extent of it. He persisted, and I sent him one more email explaining myself again. That was the last contact I had until his (I count 4 that are still archived on gmail, and I think more are on my other laptop) spams. SWATJester Ready Aim Fire! 03:23, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Some strangeness: I remember vaguely noting this the first time, but there is some real weirdness with this user. I chalk it up to being a pakistani national on the en wiki, but he's made like a half dozen usernames, and multiple copies of similar articles. See [31] top of the page for a brief summary, but there is [32], [33], (now redirected) user name one, username two, user name 3, user name 4, user name 5, user name 6, user name 7, this article copy of the user pages, which I've prodded, user name 8, user name 9. That's an indirect search of "swat pakistan hospital". Something is really weird here. SWATJester Ready Aim Fire! 03:32, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

  • If it's casual invites, I would say it's unintentional spamming, which it is best to just kindly tell the person to stop. If this is done out of malice, then I think it qualifies as Wikipedia:Harassment. - Mailer Diablo 03:41, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I can't believe it would be malicious, but it IS continuing after I've asked it stop. I've received three in the past month. I'm assuming good faith here, I'm not asking for blocks for the user, I'm not claiming malicious intent or anything. I'm simply noting that this does seem like a fairly large loophole with harassment potential (in my case it's merely annoying, its not at the level of harassment yet.) that should be fixed somehow, and seperately that the dearth of usernames and article clones that the Mohammad Salim Khan's have made are rather strange and worthy of attention. Like I said, the user identifies himself as a pakistani national, and his english is very poor, so I'm chalking most of this up to bad grasp of the language and customs. SWATJester Ready Aim Fire! 03:48, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Persistant trolling[edit]

Analyzethis (talk · contribs), clearly not happy with discussion on his link at Talk:University of Mary Washington, is launching an IP attack on me and A. B. (talk · contribs). So far I've blocked about 6 or 7 IPs, 5 in the last 10 minutes. Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Analyzethis‎ hasn't been too helpful. So does anyone have any suggestions on handling this? Short of semi-ing my user page, I'm at a loss. Thanks, Metros232 02:45, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

The IPs are mostly Korean so far, and not from Analyzethis' home area. They may be proxies, but if so, there will never be technical evidence to confirm the alleged sockpuppetry. Do you have other strong evidence that the user is behind the attacks? If so, post an explanation and see if an uninvolved admin will agree to block the named account. Otherwise you'll just have to keep blocking the IPs. Thatcher131 03:32, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Aside from the fact that the user has been targeting me and A. B., the two people heavily involved in keeping the link out of the article, and a promise that IPs would come to add the link back [34], not really any evidence to support it. In addition, the first wave of IP edits came 40 minutes after Analyzethis was blocked. That's about all I've got. Metros232 03:56, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Ones that look like open proxies should be indefblocked though, right? (I've personally been a bit puzzled by the WP:OP project and when it is and isn't okay to indefblock an IP - how much proof is needed). —Wknight94 (talk) 04:22, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
The IP is scanned by a web-based tool to see if common ports used by proxy servers are open. If one or more is detected, the IP is blocked. Naconkantari 04:25, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Back again with (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) which I blocked for 48 hours. Metros232 06:03, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

And (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) also blocked for 48. Metros232 06:06, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
And (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) which Antandrus (talk · contribs) blocked as an open proxy and (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) which I blocked for 48 hours. I have now semi-protected my user and talk pages as well as A. B.'s. Metros232 06:13, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Did I cross the line?[edit]

There is a user who some time ago (top of the last archive of my talk I think) posted a message tha went something along the lines of "I see you're a smoker, I think you should stop" I added a lenghty and quite tongue in cheek reply that basicaly said thanks for the concern, but please stay out of my personal life.

Yesterday, that same user came back and osted again. I'm actually onn a bit of a wikibreak right now because my illness has the better of me at the moment, and so I'm prone to snapping (perhaps I should leave a messagebox? lol). However, reading his message, I saw red and couldn't resist replying. I tried to keep civil, but also wanted to be perfectly blunt about it as it seems that the message didn't quite get across the first time. I'm a little worried that I may have crossed the personal attack line unintentionally at the moment (possibly because I'm worrying needlessly, or possibly because it comes close - I'm not the best person to judge that at the moment, which is the exact reason I'm taking a break right now. Could somebody please review my comment here and let me know? I'd ask at editor review, but it's only a review of one message I'm hoping for rather than my whole contib history. Thanks Crimsone 02:59, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

No, that's fine. If it was me, I would've just removed the comment from my talk page. Snoutwood (talk) 03:20, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
I'd say your reply was quite reasonable. RichMac (Talk) 04:35, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Possible sockpuppetry[edit]

Rather than take this to WP:RCU, I'd like someone to check out the situation and determine an appropriate course of action.

Kurt Benbenek was created by Otis Fodder (talk · contribs) who, when the article was taken to AfD, deleted both the AfD notice and blanked the page itself. Tennyson Miles (talk · contribs), whose account was created just five minutes later, left this message on my talk page just a few minutes after I left a comment at the AfD page (not knowing it had been blanked). When I realised that the page had been blanked and reconstructed it, User:Tennyson Miles immediately re-blanked the page -- his second ever edit (the only other being the message he left at my talk page).

This smells very much like sockpuppetry to me, so I'd appreciate it if someone took a look for me. Thanks! Daveydweeb (chat/review!) 07:40, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Tennyson made their third ever edit, here, which was to blank the article in question. Daveydweeb (chat/review!) 07:51, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Page "Metrocenter Mall" was deleted without notice, needs to be reinstated[edit]

I have been editing pages on shopping centers in the Phoenix, AZ area, where I live, and the San Francisco Bay Area, where I grew up.

Today I found that the page "Metrocenter Mall" was deleted by admin JzG citing (WP:CSD G11, spam,) as a reason. I would beg to disagree with the conclusion as 1) Metrocenter is a major shopping center in Phoenix, one of America's major cities and 2) using such criteria would disqualify several dozen articles on shopping malls. Shopping centers are a topic of great social, cultural and economic significance in the USA and worldwide and deserve coverage on Wikipedia. Articles on them should not be deleted. Please strongly consider reposting the article, and/or I will begin a replacement article within 48 hours.--Msr69er 18:17, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

  • I left a note on the above user's talk page advising (1) to discuss with the deleting admin and (2) take it to DRV. I also mentioned that recreating deleted content is generally wasted effort. Robert A.West (Talk) 18:56, 24 November 2006 (UTC)


Jcurtis has been warned several times to stop blanking external links in articles and adding POV comments. He did this again multiple times today. I reported him to WP:AIV but they said to take it here. Dismas|(talk) 21:15, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

This user continues to add POV material and blank external links. Can nothing be done? Dismas|(talk) 20:47, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Reliable verifiable sources on Peter Pickles[edit]

Martin Waller is a serious economic reporter for the serious Times Newspapers Ltd., so when he published a reliable verifiable article on a notable person dying, naturally "verifiable not true" wikipedia publishes an article on him at Peter Pickles. I have no such reliable verifiable source that he is a fictitious person altho I can do original research to such an end. Good thing we have WP:IAR. WAS 4.250 00:32, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Good thing we have CSD A7. Why can't we just delete it via that. There is no assertion of notability in that article. --Deskana talk 00:53, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
When I started writing that, it still existed. It doesn't anymore. Never mind. --Deskana talk 00:54, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Well, if the author's column was considered a reliable source, then wouldn't his subsequent column retracting the original one be equally reliable? Newyorkbrad 00:55, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
i deleted it after reading this. Sarah Ewart (Talk) 00:59, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Ouch! That was embarrassing; thanks for deleting. At least we can self-correct fairly quickly when these things come up. --Doc Tropics 16:52, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

User:Ag afd[edit]

User:Ag afd is a sockpupet for someone. Don't know who. All the user has done to this point is nominate articles for deletion. See: contribs for Ag afd Each of his/her nominations appears to be notable, and not really worthy of deletion. Someone to keep an eye on. --Jayron32 02:57, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

User:Pflanzgarten sockpuppet abuse[edit]

Refer to here for evidence. Me and a couple other editors that are keeping an eye on Jim Clark are always noticing new sockpuppets from this user. I think it's time that the 3 or 4 IP ranges that Pflanzgarten are using (Listed here) are blocked, as I personally feel that's the only way he/she would stop. That, or a complaint to his/her ISP. I just wanted to list this problem here, so an Administrator can intervene in a way, possibly like how I recomended. // I c e d K o l a (Contribs) 05:53, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Looks like a lot of those IPs come up red at completewhois, like this, and should go to WP:OP. As for the article, there are still only one or two vandal edits per day which doesn't seem even semi-protection worthy to me. But I've seen a lot of different opinions on that subject so I'm sure many will disagree. —Wknight94 (talk) 14:45, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Project page vandalism[edit]

Hi, The project titled 'Neutral Coverage of Sri Lankan Crisis' or WP:NCSLC has been vandalized again. Please check this diff's page which points out to almost the entire page being blanked out by two IP's which apparently have worked in tandem. This is the first IP, which appears to be a completely dud IP created only for vandalizing such pages. The second IP seems to be a professional tailormade-vandaluser IP which has involved in personal attacks, racial slurs and also foul language in Wikipedia all of which can be found in his talk page.

I kindly request the admins top please check both the IPs for all the malice that they have created. Thanks Sudharsansn (talk contribs) 11:16, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I would also have to support blocking this I.P, he has malicously damaged my User Talk Page over an article Sarath Forenska. I can't help but find the relation between this user and Lahiru_k who is also under close scrutiny, as the I.P in question has a noticable change on the article by reverting it to Lahiru's original post.--Sharz 12:49, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Sharz to correct one minor thing you meant this article Sarath Fonseka. Elalan 23:15, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Evading indef bans AlanBarnet (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log)[edit]</