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It all began when I severely warned earlier today for blanking text of Wikipedia articles and creating categories that do not exist usually over a category that does, which also constituted to removing a link or section of an article without any apparent reason. It took me quite a while to revert all of the unconstructive edits of using popups. About half an hour ago, I noticed that began doing almost the exact same mistakes as the former which lead me to believe that it was the same anon. IP user. Again, I had to take up about half an hour (maybe less) to revert almost the exact same edits as the first IP did. I wasn't exactly sure what to do afterwards, so the tagged the second IP as a possible sock of Perhaps using CheckUser would be best here, but I'm so exhausted (and its 3 am in the morning in Florida now) I suggest an immediate one week block for each IP until I could get a CheckUser going first thing when I log on Wikipedia in the morning. I apologize for not showing any links of proof because if I were to do that now, I wouldn't finish in a long while. But, if you were to look at each one's contributions and compare them, you'll find that they're about exactly the same, here's and I hope this was enough evidence to get these anonymous IPs blocked for about a week or two, maybe two seems better here. Really, its not fun doing this reverting for half an hour. IP addresses shouldn't even edit the encyclopedia anymore (unless they create an account) since they're the ones that usually disrupt Wikipedia... Power level (Dragon Ball) 07:49, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Checkuser isn't required here, as all the relevant info is in IP addresses. I'd recommend a soft block (anon only) for the two IP addresses and any other address in the 125.164.161.* block involved in similar activity. Eli Falk 09:50, 15 February 2007 (UTC) actively vandalizing[edit]

Is continuing to vandalize numerous pages, including the Featured Article Chasingsol 10:18, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Blocked 5h by El C. In future, use WP:AIV. Thanks for your help. yandman 10:28, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

RunedChozo blocked[edit]

Continued personal attacks, assumptions of bad faith and accusations of harassment and admin abuse have gotten RunedChozo blocked for 10 days. I suggest we lengthen it to indef. Opinions? -- Steel 20:53, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't agree that sockmaster notices should be forced onto a user's user page if they object - in the same way that if a warning is placed on their talk page, they are allowed to remove them. It's a form of scarlet-letter harassment. That being said, Chozo was being a jerk to Itaqallah (one of the more mild-mannered editors on Wikipedia) after coming back from numerous blocks for similar stuff, so I support an indef. - Merzbow 21:04, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I decided to be bold with the indefblock due to Chozo's actions on his talk page. -- Steel 21:22, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I noticed this discussion while looking at CAT:RFU. I have no qualms with an indefinite block (and I would have declined the unblock request had you not beaten me to it) as long as indefinite does not mean de facto permanent. In other words, if, at some point, this user expresses a commitment to civil behavior, I think that at that future time, an unblock should be be considered. --BigDT 21:30, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I do not care for the block one way or another. I just find it odd that part of their out burst was brought on by the "scarlet letter" that was being forced onto their page. They were not behaving perfectly, but above border, until that point. If the scarlet letter set them off, then they were prodded and it should be noted. Is there a set policy regarding sockpuppet notices or notices on pages of those who have been allowed to once again edit? Feel free to point out if I am missing anything as I mainly been reading happenings here. --NuclearZer0 21:35, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

You've locked the userpage, the talkpage, you yourself (Steel) were one of the complained-about admins. This looks like YOU taking out some frustration on someone and deliberately trying to drive them into a reaction.

The fact that you (Steel) now went back and removed the unblock request, too? Shame on you.

BigDT, how is the user supposed to "come back" later and express a commitment to "civil behavior" when all he's received from the Wikipedia community is incivil behavior and scarlet letter harassment, and when the talk page any everything else are locked? Merzbow complains he was "being a jerk to Itaqallah" and claims Itaqallah is "one of the more mild-mannered" editors, which isn't the case; the two are obviously antagonistic toward each other and Itaqallah's been involved in any number of edit wars. RunedChozo at least kept it out of article space, leaving it to a not-unreasonable demand that Itaqallah promise not to edit war on the page. I'll make a note that rather than simply saying "sure, I promise not to edit war", Itaqallah took it on himself to say some mean things about RunedChozo.

Nuclear, it's obvious this was a campaign to attack RunedChozo - for speaking up here against The Epopt (arbcom/cabal member), for speaking up on the slashdotted Wikipedia:Wikipedia_is_failing's talk page. This thing stinks like yesterday's fish catch. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) 21:42, 14 February 2007 (UTC).

I'm confused reading all this, I've only seen RunedChozo's edits on the PSP page and I thought they were fine. Why would you go around trying to piss someone off? PSPMario 01:25, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Comment: A little worried here. Not only did we not investigate User:RunedChozo's complaint fully, we incriminated him before this happened. Isn't it a legitimate complaint if someone complains about me telling them to stop spamming them on their talk page? If I didn't spam, I have nothing to worry about; and if I did, then why raise it here and risk incriminating myself?
The indef block is a different matter - but I was kind of hoping that when a user raises a complaint, he doesn't get blocked for it. :-/
I don't want to cause any problems, but... I am kind of worried. x42bn6 Talk 11:32, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
He wasn't blocked for raising a complaint. He was blocked for personal attacks and grossly uncivil behavior. He was, by far, a net negative to the project and a lengthy block was fully justified. ChazBeckett 12:59, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Not directly - but indirectly. He rose a complaint and instead of his complaint being looked at, he was blocked for something slightly unrelated. x42bn6 Talk 13:19, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Comment, I looked back on this and it looks like someone's deleting comments from this discussion, that's not right. It looks like you all were being just as incivil towards runedchozo.PSPMario 13:44, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Spam link, possibly to child porn[edit]

Just a heads-up - I just found a spam link ( added to the disambig page at Jenny, with a misleading edit summary. The target includes a few porn links, but I got the impression from the text it was child porn. That IP only made that one edit, but it's possible that the link was added elsewhere under other IPs. |Mr. Darcy talk 22:56, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

No child porn fortunately (yes, I looked). I trust the IP is blocked and the domain added to the link blacklist? --Edokter (Talk) 23:10, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
I didn't block the IP, since the edit was made four days ago. I have to admit I don't know where the blacklist lives. | Mr. Darcy talk 23:18, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
m:Talk:Spam blacklist x42bn6 Talk 23:46, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Ah, so anyone can report. Shouldn't there be a link in the help pages somewhere? --Edokter (Talk) 23:58, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
It is mentioned (at Wikipedia:Spam#External link spamming with bots) but under a bot-only heading. Also, the blacklist is for spammed links only - it doesn't censor things that are illegal (in fact, I think the Foundation may be able to get into trouble if they put, say, a child pornography link into the blacklist because, ironically, it makes it available to the public). Such things are probably best Oversighted. x42bn6 Talk 11:40, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Just a thought - say "8teen" out loud. 8teen. eight-teen. eighteen. 18. while this is clearly linkspam, the suspicion that it's child porn seems unfounded. --Random832(tc) 14:53, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Because porn links are always logical? I saw "teen" and figured it wasn't worth the chance. Even viewing those images may be illegal in the U.S., and I was on a work computer when I saw the link. No reason to take that risk, and I think that from Wikipedia's perspective, it doesn't matter if it's child porn or adult porn - we're not going to link to it. | Mr. Darcy talk 16:35, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Ban evasion by starwars1955[edit]

Per this discussion, user UCLA2007 (talk · contribs) is a sockpuppet continuing to make edits - please block. Thanks, PSUMark2006 talk | contribs 23:15, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

INDEF'D! Oh, and if anyone had doubts about his ban, this edit should help you sleep at night. | Mr. Darcy talk 23:22, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
PSUMark just suggested on my talk page that we look at an IP range block. I haven't done one of those before, so I thought I should post it here to see if anyone had suggestions on duration. Starwars1955 appears to have always edited from IPs in the 4.245.120/121.x range. | Mr. Darcy talk 23:24, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
I would obviously support such a ban, if it also prevented those IPs from creating accounts. –King Bee (TC) 00:10, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
  • For what it's worth, over the past two months Starwars1955 has been associated with edits from the following IP addresses and probably more: (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

Those are just the addresses that have edited Brett Favre and WP:CN - I'd wager that additional IPs from that range have also been responsible for removing comments and discussion over this issue on the talk pages of the user's various identities. I'll provide specific diffs if necessary, but I think a very quick glance at the contribs will be sufficient. PSUMark2006 talk | contribs 23:31, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Would a six-month to a year block on these IP addresses work? A lengthy ban like that might work to end the sockpuppeting. Acalamari 23:54, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
None of those IPs have been used more than once, and I wouldn't be surprised if they've used dozens of other similar IPs while logged in under their multiple personalities. If you're talking about a range block of 4.245.120.* and 4.245.121.*, then I think that length of a block would be sufficient. PSUMark2006 talk | contribs 00:00, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
PSUMark2006's analysis of the IP addresses is correct. Oh, and MrDarcy - that incest edit gave me a chuckle. Thanks. =) –King Bee (TC) 00:03, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Just for completeness, I added/sorted some additional IPs from that range that had edited talk pages of the socks. PSUMark2006 talk | contribs 00:11, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

My question here is whether any other user has edited from an address in the 4.245.120-121.* range, to make sure we're not trapping innocent users. Also, I wouldn't start with a six-month block - I think that's a very long time to block an IP range, even if it's only 512 addresses. Maybe we can start with a month or so (if that's acceptable for a range-block) and see what happens. | Mr. Darcy talk 00:26, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I have to differ: Starwars1955 has caused so many problems, especially for you, King Bee, and Aviper2k7. Not only that, but he has created more sockpuppets than any other user I've encountered. He has used multiple personal attacks, and blanked his talk page several times. He has evaded his ban, and continued to vandalize and attack. A six-month block would ensure this doesn't happen for that length of time. After the block, we'll see what happens then. Acalamari 00:39, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Throwing in my 2cents here, being a nuetral editor and looking at all the evidence, i think a 6month block is needed. If not this user will continue to vandalize pages and cause many editors much stress. --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 00:44, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
You're looking for a rangeblock on and To find out if it is safe to block these ranges, post the question in the IP Check section of WP:RFCU. Thatcher131 01:23, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I was just going to suggest that. It is a Level3 IP range and possibly there are non-Favre obsessed fans out there who may possibly be editing, but if not I would say a 3-6 month range block isn't out of the question based on this guy's behavior and the fact that I've noticed him employing some more "advanced" trolling techniques lately. Time to nip this in the bud if we can.--Isotope23 01:30, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
I've filed a request for IP check here. My first one, so let me know if I did anything wrong. PSUMark2006 talk | contribs 01:33, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm looking at it. May as well consider also. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 01:37, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
If the registered users are showing up under that range, I'd be in favor of that. We didn't discuss it previously because none of the user's anon edits came within that range. PSUMark2006 talk | contribs 01:40, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

The checkuser request is complete. jpgordon identified 25 other usernames that are likely socks (because they are variations on multiple editors including myself, aviper, acalamari, and isotope). Recommend rangeblocking,, and PSUMark2006 talk | contribs 02:53, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

All three range-blocks enacted. That is some list of socks. | Mr. Darcy talk 03:16, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Indeed it is. Aren't you wishing you had your very own starwars1955 sockpuppet imitator? :-) Thanks for your help in getting that block in place. Hopefully it'll do some good. PSUMark2006 talk | contribs 03:20, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I checked both 4.425.120.0/24 and 4.425.121.0/24 for on-top contribs, and few minutes ago, and found only these: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11]. Looks like these ranges are currently used by -- at most -- two people. Some of these edits to comics-related pages stand out from the rest, but I'm not familiar enough with the user in question to know for sure whether those are made by the same person. Whatever the case, it doesn't seem like there will be very much (if any) collateral damage involved in a range block. – Luna Santin (talk) 03:52, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

The problem is that only a checkuser can determine if there are any other legit registered users in that range. For example, there are no IP posts from my current address. Jp seems to be good with the rangeblocks, though. Thatcher131 12:26, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

WP:HAR serious issue: Gene Poole and Gardener of Geda (again)[edit]

Please see here for evidence. Despite recent warnings, Gardener of Geda is still supporting Gene Poole's misbehaviour, terms used by both users include: "idiot" "He sounds paranoid" "nutter" "the guy obviously needs medical attention" "Medical attention indeed; I'm thinking a retrospective abortion" "hysteria" "COI noticeboard nonsense" "He's probably never been paid so much attention in his life". The problem is not, 'can the dispute be resolved?', but, 'can these editors be persuaded to behave appropriately?'.Dr. Who 14:25, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

User: "scouting" users to come to another wiki[edit] (talk · contribs) (see contributions) has put 4 messages on 4 user talk pages, usually to people who have been subject to warnings or people who disagree with some of Wikipedia's principles or guidelines. They all link to what I suppose is his own wiki. Is this appropriate? x42bn6 Talk 12:47, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

He's spamming, but it is inconsequential.--Docg 12:59, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Fox News Channel[edit]

A specific editor has been insisting on inserting original research "conspiracy theory" type information to Fox News Channel. He has been told several times by several editors why this information is not appropriate for inclusion, however he has repeatedly inserted it (ignoring 3RR). Can we get a temp block? Thanks.

/Blaxthos 13:39, 15 February 2007 (UTC)


Can someone please deal with CroDome (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log), an aggresive pusher of The Truth™? Being a Serb Genocidal admin ostensibly involved in an edit dispute, I'm reluctant pressing the buttons myself. Duja 13:40, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Dora the Explorer[edit]

This page is being vandalized by anonymous editors nearly every day:

I'd like to recommend that the page is blocked from edits from anonymous editors. Thanks! Steve8675309 14:59, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Semi'ed for a week. Please make such requests on WP:RFPP in the future. >Radiant< 15:16, 15 February 2007 (UTC)


I would like to request a review of my indefinite block of Cia123454321 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log). That account belongs to RexJudicata (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log) aka Agwiii (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log), and his IP address seem to be (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log). His original accounts were indefinitely blocked for off-wiki death threats against SqueakBox (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log), after being blocked by Linuxbeak for 1 month for "Legal threats, disruption, impersonation, sockpuppet activity, POV pushing, user-baiting, etc.". --cesarb 15:49, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Just curious - how do you know that it's the same user? Even so, I don't see any evidence he's here to contribute to the encyclopedia, and his tone ranges from strident to threatening. The block looks OK to me; I'm just curious whether you had a checkuser or something along those lines. | Mr. Darcy talk 16:30, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
He created again the article about himself, and edited the closed VfD on it (the things he says on that edit also show it's him). The edit patterns tell the rest of the history. --cesarb 16:49, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Possible sock puppetry at Jung Myung Seok[edit]

Following at request for third opinion that was taken by Cyrus XIII, two new editors, User:HJen and User:SteelFeather and registered and began to support the position of User:QCA. HJen has two posts to date, the first to Wikipedia:Requests for page protection asking that page protection on Jung Myung Seok be removed - a rather amazing first post for a brand new user. HJen's second posting was to Talk:Jung Myung Seok, as have been all four of SteelFeather's four postings to date.

Cyrus XIII's comment at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection#Jung Myung Seok in response to HJen's request that page protection be removed was:

Given that the HJen account has only been used for this unprotection request and to provide another (apparently never requested) "third opinion", I'd rather suggest to compare the IPs of QCA and HJen to rule out sock puppetry.- Cyrus XIII 04:06, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

He also mentioned sock puppetry in this edit, and noted that the QCA account is a SPA, editing only this article and its talk page.

QCA has denied that he is HJen. The two are, at minimal, clearly connected - in his/her second edit, in the edit summary, HJen said As Requested By QCA. Moreover, in that edit, HJen said With that being said, I have read the before and after edits that QCA has made. - again, remarkable that a new user understands diffs.

I request admin review of these two new accounts, including checkuser if necessary. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 16:36, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Why wasn't my request taken care of?[edit]

According to this, only one person commented on the anon IPs and neither one was blocked by an administrator. I request that these two IP users be blocked for 1-2 weeks immediately since they were damaging the encyclopedia! Block also the ones in the same block as 125.etc. Please block them NOW! Power level (Dragon Ball) 16:51, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

HELLO?!!!!!! THEY"RE DOING IT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BLOCK THEM NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Power level (Dragon Ball) 17:13, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
It's User:, User:, and any others that are identical to them that need a soft block NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Power level (Dragon Ball) 17:16, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
If they have hit level 4 warnings, then you get faster responses at WP:AIV. x42bn6 Talk 17:18, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Just to let you know. a long term block of User: would probably be a bad idea. There are many good edits from this ip, including some categorizations and sub-categorizations. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 17:21, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
The person even made a Category:Dragon Ball villains for some of the characters for no reason when there is Category:Dragon Ball characters. I mean, c'mon!, can't you see it? Power level (Dragon Ball) 17:30, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
PLEASE BLOCK THEM AND ANY OTHER IDENTICAL ONE'S IN THE SAME BLOCK. Thank you. Power level (Dragon Ball) 17:32, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

←I am going to highley reccomend that you calm down a little. They will do no damage that cannot be reversed. I have not seen any horribly blatant acts of vandalism. I will peruse them again but i saw several good edits that would make me uncomfterable with a long term block. I am going to highley reccomend that you stop "screaming in caps" for somebody to do something. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 17:34, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I cant really block them. They have several good contributions (i am assuming it is a shared ip). And neither of the above lsited IP's has edited in the past 10 hours. I will not enforce a punitive block, and the so called vandalism is not currently on going. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 17:38, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Right, and might I add that showing up at WP:AN/I demanding that someone else be blocked for everal weeks in all caps doesn't really incline anyone to act here. WP:COOL down.--Isotope23 17:47, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Young Adult Fiction[edit]

Nearly the entire article was deleted and replaced with some stupid statement. Anyway to revert back to a former version or does it need to be written again? User:Million Moments

Someone reverted it and I left a message on your (logged in) user talk page explaining how to revert. —Dgiest c 17:52, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm being harassed by "The Epopt"[edit]

I put my userpage up for deletion yesterday, just like I had asked for its deletion previously.

Instead, "The Epopt" came and deliberately put an insulting harassment sign that another user had been using to harass me, then left a lying message about me.

I protest this harassment and request that my page be put back the way I like it, I need no "user page", my talk page is perfectly fine as is. I have stayed out of wikipedia longer than the block was in place and despite being harassed by a bad faith user earlier I am working hard to help within the bounds of the rules. RunedChozo 16:47, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

RunedChozo (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log) appears to have a lengthy block record for a pattern of incivility, edit warring, and block evasion.
The 'harassment' sign that RunedChozo is complaining about is a notice that he has operated sockpuppets. While I don't think we should be using these banners as a 'scarlet letter' for editors who haven't gotten themselves permanently banned, RunedChozo is certainly not the aggrieved innocent that he's painting himself as here. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 17:01, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Look. I stayed out long past the bad faith and unsupported by the rules "block" that was placed in bad faith on my account. I've put up with lies and harassment behavior, and no I've never used "sockpuppets" despite what the liars say. I want one thing, to make this a better encyclopedia. You can look at my contributions since my return, I'm staying in the rules and have every intention of doing so. But if you want to call me names, fine. Go ahead. I really can't stop you. That seems to be what wikipedia is for to you people, beating up on anyone who comes in good faith to make a better encyclopedia so you can feel powerful.RunedChozo 17:06, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
In what way are your actions, such as here and here making Wikipedia a better encyclopedia? ChazBeckett 17:14, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
I was mad at being harassed and insulted. I sent emails. I don't know what "spams" these two are talking about, because the only emails I ever sent were to the wikipedia mailing list. As for the "block log", that's a joke of how the wikipedia system is messed up, a bunch of Muslim POV writers have admin rights and decided to harass me, and Asterion near as I can tell was a friend of someone else who wanted to get me. I'm not going near any of them, and I've already served warning to some of the writers on a page that's nothing but propaganda that I'll be suggesting corrections but I want their promise first that they won't make an edit war again like they did last time. If they won't make that promise, I won't bother with anything other than keeping the disputed and unencyclopedic tags on that page, because that is what it is, completely disputed and unencyclopedic. I have NO desire, repeat NO DESIRE WHATSOEVER, to get into a major conflict with anyone, because I've already seen how the administrators here will just use that as a tool to beat someone up for their own sick amusement. RunedChozo 17:18, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Get over yourself. -- Steel 17:22, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Steel has now placed the insult back on my user page and locked the page down. I protest this harassment. This has no basis except to insult and harass me. RunedChozo 17:24, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Comment: It does seem rather bad to say such a thing on a talk page. I could go to a random user and accuse them of spamming me - and this would cause ire. On the other hand, RunedChozo, chill...
Since User:Timwi has not released his email on his userpage, it has possibly been sent through Special:Emailuser (but would it be legal to check?). x42bn6 Talk 17:27, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

The email was not sent through the emailuser thing. The only emails I have sent were through the wikipedia mailing list. I still protest the obvious harassment behavior from "The Epopt" that Steel has now done as well. RunedChozo 17:29, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Then cool it. If you are being wrongly harassed, this page is the correct place to raise it. But until then, take a deep breath. It doesn't make your case any stronger by blowing a fuse. x42bn6 Talk 17:34, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

When I report it and the first thing back is more harassment, and the second thing back is more harassment from someone I'm now sure is one of Epopt's friends, what else am I supposed to think? Regardless, I'm going to stay within the rules, even if Epopt and Steel feel like breaking them and harassing me. RunedChozo 17:38, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

If you got blocked, it's because you did a bad thing. Abusive sockpuppetry and personal attacks are usually considered bad things. Rather than wasting space here at ANI I courteously recommend amending your behaviour so that it becomes amenable to the community. In this manner, you will not be blocked again. Cheers, Moreschi Request a recording? 17:38, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I never used sockpuppets, those are vicious lies. As for "Personal attacks", equal things were said to me, but I'm the only one they went after because they get off on beating people up. I'm already amending what I can, I'm editing in good faith as before but I refuse to get into any more disputes on any content page and am keeping to that. You can look at my edits after my return and see for yourself. RunedChozo 17:40, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
  • please do look at his contribs since he returned, as i believe he has been behaving in a rather disruptive manner. ITAQALLAH 17:45, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, demanding that you promise not to edit war before I participate in an article is SOOOO disruptive... gee, is there a reason you refuse to promise to FOLLOW THE RULES? Gee I wonder. RunedChozo 17:46, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Here's an exercise: Take a look at what you've written in this section. Assume that someone is completely unaware of any of your actions outside of this page. Do you think what you've written reflects well on you? Do you believe that you're likely to persuade others? Have you conducted yourself in a civil and courteous manner? ChazBeckett 17:52, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Looks like this shows me pretty much why I'm being beat up so much, they all want to suck up to a powerful jerk who gets his rocks off harassing people. RunedChozo 17:54, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

It is imperitive that everyone read the above presented diff and consider what utility it provided the encyclopedia. Hipocrite - «Talk» 17:58, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Still following me, thought I got rid of that homing tracker by now? Damn you batman!!! --NuclearZer0 18:10, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm done for now. I've nominated a terrible article for deletion as per policy, and that's that. I'm taking a break as was suggested. RunedChozo 18:07, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

it doesn't look like you're done at all. you've simply resumed your uncivil remarks again ([12][13]). ITAQALLAH 19:18, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I had my lunch. Back off. You're the one who is openly refusing a simple request that you promise to follow the rules. I wonder why you might refuse such a simple request? Are you opposed to following the rules? Do you, like last time, feel that you and your Guild are above the rules because you have admins as members? I wonder why it is that you cannot simply promise to follow the rules, as I have done. RunedChozo 19:20, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

you are demanding other editors to make "promises" to you that they won't violate policy, else you won't co-operate with them. that is tragically ironic, and as such i see little value in making any 'promises' to you. you have already broken your 'promise' to abide by wikipedia policy, several times already, yet demand that other editors play along in this charade. if you cannot edit without issuing ultimatums to other editors, you may wish to reconsider your role here. ITAQALLAH 19:31, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

No, I have already promised to follow the rules. If you are not willing to do the same, since you started edit wars in the past, then I am unwilling to work with you, because all you are showing is your intent to cause an edit war, something I am unwilling to be involved in. I am stating this as fact, because I am not going to give you any chance to start some big problem, much though I know you want to do so. You want to lie and claim I broke the rules? Be my guest. RunedChozo 19:33, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

page move and other vandalism - not sure what to do[edit]

Over at Anthrax, a user has been vandalizing, then moved the page, and has been vandalizing some more. I'm not really sure how to fix this - can I just move it back and then revert? Natalie 18:33, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I have taken care of it. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 18:41, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
I kind of figured someone would have. What do you have to do to fix this sort of thing? Natalie 19:00, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Being somebody recreated the page after the move (without the history), i had to delete the re-incarnation and remove the old one back to the new one. I also had to revert the specific vandalism. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 19:02, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism at Jun Choi[edit]

A few IP's, notably[14], have been vandalizing the Jun Choi article by repeatedly reverting to a version with slanted, politically motivated information filled with POV, OR, and unreferenced facts. I had reported this earlier at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Protection from anon users at Jun_Choi but I was told there wasn't enough reason to implement partial locking, but the vandalism has picked up... there have been 4 or 5 edits by anonymous users reinserting slanted information in the last day. Jolb 19:46, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

There's a second user who's vandalizing in the opposite direction, taking away balanced, referenced information in favor of Jun Choi, with the IP [15] Jolb 19:50, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Good grief ...[edit]

CroDome (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log) was a troll I had a good deal of trouble with a few days ago - with an attack userpage etc. He got into an "argument", which I, well, won, and then took it into his head to nominate Kubura (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) for adminship. He badgered Kubura into accepting the nom statement by saying this (please note he hates Serbs, see [16], for example). I was about to speedy close the RfA before realizing that would not be the most tactful thing to do. Yuser31415 20:13, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I've offered User:Kubura a deletion of the RfA since he has refused the nom an apparently had no participation in this whatsoever.--Isotope23 20:27, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Well, I am proposing to community ban CroDome (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log) for blatant POV-warring, disruptive RfA creation, attempting to force users to accept his RfA by saying that otherwise they will be "Serbs", ... etc. The list goes on. Yuser31415 20:32, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
I don't have the background here to really comment on that, but I'd suggest posting a proposal over on WP:CN along with evidence diffs.--Isotope23 20:34, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Therefore, proposed on WP:CN. Yuser31415 20:52, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
This guy is here for the wrong reasons. Wikipedia does not need more disruption in an already controversial range of subjects. I find very difficult to assume good faith in this case. Not sure though whether a community ban is premature but I will also keep a close eye. --Asteriontalk 22:17, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Request for block of blatant sock[edit]

Planetary Chaos (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) is a blatant sock of indef blocked Piratesofsml (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) and has been edit warring on some manual of style issues, using IPs to circumvent the 3RR. Checkuser was declined as unnecessary given the evidence. I'd rather not do the blocking myself because of my history with the editor. I had been waiting until someone gets around to closing the case on SSP, but the editor has now taken to vandalizing from one of the IP addresses named in the report, reverting the vandalism with the account, and citing those edits as evidence that he is unrelated to the IPs, claiming to have run across the vandalism while on rc patrol. Friar Will tells me otherwise. -- Vary | Talk 21:41, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

The content of article Dingity had been mostly deleted by[edit]

The content was deleted with insulting comment, and the irrelevant material added. Please revert the content. I wrote to the talk of to stop vandalism. I wanted to restore it myself, but didn't know how. Abuhar 21:55, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

See Help:Reverting. —Centrxtalk • 22:03, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
It's taken care of, and I left a message on the original poster's page. Jeffpw 22:06, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Child with personal info posted[edit]

Jacob valliere (talk · contribs) presumably his real name is indentifying himself as 9-year old.--BirgitteSB 22:30, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Now blocked apparently for posting WP:NFT stuff. I've removed the year of birth from his userpage for the time being. Sandstein 23:07, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Several "hoax" AFDs[edit]

Quibbvlw (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log), Mariegisellerafferty1 (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log), and Carlawhitnash1976 (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log) nominated famous books for deletion as hoaxes. I closed them as speedy keeps. They should probably be blocked to prevent the creation of more sockpuppets. --NE2 22:36, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Done Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 23:40, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Need a reversion with personal info deleted.[edit]

I never manage to do reversion deletion correctly, so if someone else would do it I'd appreciate it. Need this this dif deleted. JoshuaZ 22:50, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I've pushed that revision out of the way for now. request for oversight gives the details on contacting users with oversight privileges to delete these out of history in the clean way. --pgk 23:03, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
I don't think oversight is necessary. That should be enough thanks. JoshuaZ 23:04, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

3 sockpuppets[edit]

Here are three users i suspect of being sockpuppets but i am not sure who:

The reason i suspect them is that they have placed deletion tags for no apparent reason, some the same, and all within minutes of each other.

For evidence:

The above are just examples. The results of the AfDs were "speedy keep - not a hoax" and "speedy keep - bad-faith nomination". Simply south 23:17, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

RFCU ..................... Yuser31415 23:28, 15 February 2007 (UTC)l
In the meantime I indefblocked all of them. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 23:42, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

WikiTony (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log) - personal attacks and incivility[edit]

Can an admin please look at WikiTony (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)? He's received two warnings regarding civility and personal attacks, but has responded with more incivility and personal attacks. Please take a look and warn/block. I also do not appreciate his dictating me to stay away from Portal:Current events. Major WP:OWN problem he has, and he needs to learn it or be shown the door imo, especially with such a hostile attitude. – Chacor 10:19, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and my supposed "personal attack" on him? Telling him to read WP:OWN. If that was a personal attack far too many people would be blocked presently. – Chacor 09:35, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
I have asked him to be nice. — Nearly Headless Nick 10:55, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Please take a look at his (rather uncivil) "olive branch": "i just suggested you learn how to properly write a current events blurb (including proper grammar)", "If you want to see how current events "should" be written, explore my contribs", and best of all "If you have any further problems with me please approach me directly so we can handle it like mature adults (if you are one)."
I see no reason why after being told to be civil he veils it in an "apology". Can someone please do the necessary? – Chacor 01:29, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Also, please look at his further uncivil comments to Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington and Capitalistroadster. Seriously, should we be condoning this? – Chacor 01:41, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I've been made aware that Teke (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) has blocked one weekthree days. – Chacor 07:03, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

*Keeping section artificially alive for an unblock-en-l request. – Chacor 01:50, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

I protest the closing of this discussion[edit]

None of the questions of the admin behavior here, or what actually happened, have been answered. I posted my concern yesterday nd yet someone comes along and closes the discussion with no answers? This is not proper. PSPMario 01:45, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Folken de Fanel[edit]

Wondering what to do about this editor: he seems to be behaving unacceptably. He keeps making bad-faith accusations of vandalism, personal attacks, and harassment, which he claims to come from experienced editors.

Bad-faith: [17] [18] [19] [20] [21] [22] [23] [24]

Incivility and lack of calm: [25] [26] [27] [28] [29] [30] [31]

And that is all from the last 5 days. Nor is it all of it.

He also has a history of incivility, POV and attitude problems: [32] [33] [34] [35] [36] [37] [38] [39] [40] [41] [42] [43] [44] [45] [46] [47] [48] [49] [50] [51] [52] [53] [54] [55]

I would note that this editor has been registered since last May, and has a consistent and predominant range of edits which are of the same style as those above.

I admit freely that I, and a number of other editors are in content dispute with him on the discussion page for Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows. That is not the issue here. If that particular issue can be solved by talking, it will be, and if it can't, more appropriate action (e.g. mediation) will be taken. I certainly don't want to prevent de Fanel from contributing there (although he wants to prevent others from editing, having threatened to prolong the edit-lock for the next five months [56]). But his attitude makes him impossible to work with, and is profoundly unhelpful to wikipedia. I want an admin to take notice, and to persuade him - either with words or actions - to behave appropriately. No more than that. I don't care if he sticks around. But his attitude and behaviour are intolerable. Michaelsanders 12:06, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Dispute resolution? PeaceNT 12:49, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
The above link takes me to the reference desk - do you mean WP:DR? Michaelsanders 12:59, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
I do, it was merely a typo ;) PeaceNT 13:02, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
I don't know if that would be appropriate - he's been making accusations against a number of editors, and the main issue is his behaviour and attitude, rather than the content dispute. The problem is not, 'can the dispute be resolved?', but, 'can this editor be persuaded to behave appropriately?'. Michaelsanders 13:32, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

As I have said earlier to Michaelsanders himself, I have nothing against him, I don't want him to be warned or anything, and I'm not upset because content disputes on a HP article. However I will not let him spread lies about me. So I'm going to rectify every insidious lies he has written here, and for the last time, ask him to leave me alone. Because, my dear Michaelsanders, your current behavior will never make me leave Wikipedia, or force me to adopt your point of view about the content dispute (no, you do not force others to agree to your opinion. Either you convince them, or you fail, and if you fail, just stop, otherwise you're going to create a lot of problems of which you'll be the only one responsible).

First lie: bad faith accusations

If you look to my talk page history in its globality (and not only the little bits Michaelsander has shown), you will all be able to notice that I merely removed from my own talk page, comments that I found inappropriate or undue.

Just to be clear, as per Wikipedia:Vandalism#Types_of_vandalism , "on a user's own talk page this policy does not itself prohibit the removal and archival of comments at the user's discretion".

That's merely what I did, I "removed comments at my own discretion".

However, Michaelsanders has shown a certain insistence in reinstating comments from him and from other users on my talk page, threatening me of being banned from Wikipedia if I removed them, in an extremely authoritative tone, certainly not appropriate for a mere user without any administration right ("Revert - read the rules. That is not vandalism, and your talk page is wikipedia space, which you hold only by submission to the rules. Obey them, or leave")

He has reverted my talk page 12, 3, ignoring me when I told him about the "at the user's own discretion" principle.

That there was bad faith from his part makes no doubt. When I finally warned him for what I concidered Talk page vandalism, he just started going mad with his "bad faith assumption" thing, will I was merely warning him for his violation of the rules (and of my rights to manage my talk page as I want).

I have not assumed any "bad faith", his behavior was just obvious, and I just tried to make my opinion clear to him (because after 3 reverts he still wouldn't let me remove comments from my talk page at my own discretion).

Second lie: Incivility and lack of calm

Well, no need to explain anything here. his claims are perfectly ridiculous, and he is nitpicking over everything I said just to try to harm me.

There is absolutely no incivility in my speech, or lack or calm.

Third lie: history of incivility, POV and attitude problems

I have had no history of incivility, POV and attitude problems.

Perhaps Michaelsanders would like to be reminded of his own attitude problems, when he was involved in an edit-war and POV dispute ? Or that he was accused of not being willing to let other users alone - a form of harassment ?? Which leads us to something interesting, as Michealsanders has been blocked twice for violation of 3RR and edit warring. I can also mention several examples of incivility of which I was the victim ("self-righteous and conceited", "pathetically juvenile" and "behaving like an ape dancing in a judges robes")

Fourth lie: me, wanting to prevent others from editing, having threatened to prolong the edit-lock for the next five months

One can only wonder where he could have seen that.

Obviously Michaelsanders doesn't know what the word "threat" means. As I have noticed earlier, he is merely screaming on everything I would say, and distorting the meaning of my words in order to be harmful towards me.

What I have originally written is pretty clear: "There is no possible consensus. I think it's best for the article to stay blocked for the remaining 5 months. In this way we won't have any edit wars, we won't argue for weeks about which speculations should be added, etc. We will wait for the book to be published, and finally we will reach the perfect consensus since we'll have all the answers we're waiting for, there'll be no need for speculations and no disputes about it. Currently we have nothing more to add to the article, and actually, we won't have much until the book is published (except perhaps an extract from the book, later on, or the covers). So it's better to wait the book, which will end any debate about those speculations. It can be avoided if we can find a consensus, but as I see it, it's not possible. We're only repeating the same things all over again. Folken de Fanel 16:56, 14 February 2007 (UTC) "

Again, where does he sees threats or anything ?

Fifth lie: "But my attitude makes me impossible to work with"

Well, that he hates me because I don't have the same opinion as me is one thing. That he utterly failed to convince me and 7 other editors of the relevance of his point of view in yet another thing.

But saying "it's impossible to work with me" is an all-together different thing. Wouldn't it me more realistic that it's impossible to work with Michaelsanders ?

The thing is, Michaelsanders seems to regard any divergence of opinion as a crime and a sin. He failed to convince me and others, and seeing this, to avenge himself, he has resorted to a personal crusade against me, first attempting to vandalise my talk page, and then tracking me down everywhere on Wikipedia, using every occasions to spread lies about me and to say to the world that i am the devil ( and he has already shown an obsessive behavior when involved in a POV dispute, as proven by his 2 blockings for 3RR)...

He wants "an admin to take notice, and to persuade him - either with words or actions - to behave appropriately". However, as I have undisputably proven, the one how has behavior problems is really Michaelsanders and not me, and the only problem that Michaelsanders has with me, is in fact that I don't agree with him in an opinion debate about the content of a Harry Potter article.

Which means that he "wants an admin to persuade me, either with words or actions, to agree to his opinion".

Really, where does he think he is going with this...

However, I'm really wondering if Michaelsander could be persuaded to leave me alone...because actually, he is the only one stirring things up, making false accusations on this notice board and all...He is really drawing unnecessary attention on him, and his attitude can only prolong any dispute that exist between him and me.

I have asked him several times to let me alone, and just not to talk to me anymore, however he has proven to be really insistent in NOT letting things calm down by themselves, and in challenging me perpetually...Folken de Fanel 01:45, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Covering tracks[edit]

I notice that a person I was in conflict with some time ago - a person with an academic career, by the way - is now going to extraordinary lengths to cover his tracks, hiding some very intemperate remarks that he made. I will refrain from mentioning his name, but I question the ethics of these "concealing" edits. As one of the parties involved in the (past) dispute, I am mentioning the matter here, and suggesting that someone may want either to revert, or to make some indication on these talk pages that considerable matter has been cut. Please note that I am avoiding linking the material that is liable to reveal his identity: that is, I am not linking to where a username was related to his actual name.

  • [57]: Throwaway account changes a name (which was already changed from his own name) to something else unrelated.
  • [58]: Another throwaway account then removes massive material without archiving.
  • [59]: Similarly, on another (related) article, after his original name had earlier been changed to something innocuous, a throwaway account now removes massive material without archiving.

There are two reasons I have a particular problem with this (beyond general principles):

  • Several remarks of mine were removed in the process
  • Other remarks of mine are left hanging, so that my annoyed but temperate response to his vituperation now appears to be directed at other people.

- Jmabel | Talk 06:04, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

What do you want us to do? Yuser31415 06:46, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
It sounds like the editor is leaving Wikipedia. If so perhaps no action is needed. -Will Beback · · 12:08, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
I do have issues with them removing their own statements (at least without context). They can of course exercise their RTV and remove their user pages, rename their accounts, and retroactively go back and reattribute their comments, but to my knowledge they're not allowed to remove them outright. —bbatsell ¿? 13:38, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Reviving this discussion[edit]

Reviving this discussion, which was archived.

If you examine the edits linked above, he's not even just removing his own remarks (nor is he marking the pages to show that anything is removed). He is also removing mine and others'.

I am reviving this discussion because I now see that he also, as Usrdltd (talk · contribs) removed someone else's comments about him - and, again, he had earlier changed his name here, so that was already long since covered - on one of my archive pages. Unlike the other cases, I have reverted this, since he clearly has no right to remove a third party's remarks from my archives. That same account was used to remove other discussion (see, for example [60], which was discussion of, among other things, his own sockpuppetry).

What do I want done? I'd like to see these edits reverted, but I don't think I'm the appropriate person to do so, since I was involved in the dispute. Failing that, I'd like to see at least a clear notation as to where material has been deleted from talk pages, even if that material has not been restored. And possibly someone may want to check IPs to verify (what seems to me to be obvious): that all of these one-edit throwaway accounts come from a single place (sock puppetry supreme) and see if someone who is still an active editor appears to be doing this. Because the "right to disappear" does not include the right to hide your past and keep participating. - Jmabel | Talk 17:20, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

You absolutely have the right to revert deletions of postings on article talk pages; removal of postings (not archiving, just removal) is a violation of WP:TP and WP:TPG. This isn't a matter of opinion; removal of talk page comments (exceptions - vandalism, personal attacks, wikichat, rants about the subject of the article - none of which apply here) is absolutely wrong.
I've reverted one of the article talk page (massive) deletions, and I noticed that another editor had (I believe) reverted another large deletion. If we've missed something, please feel free to handle this yourself (or post a note on my talk page; I'll be happy to do more cleanup if you're still unwilling to do so.) I've also posted notes on the talk pages of two editors, informing them of policy regarding this. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 02:11, 16 February 2007 (UTC)


Sorry to bring this back here, but he seems to be back uploading unsourced images. He's been blocked for a week for this before, and I warned him back in January, and I warned him back in January. Perhaps it's time for a lengthier block. David Mestel(Talk) 18:50, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Newyorkbrad has now given him a final warning. Sandstein 23:13, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Yes. I plan to look in on this again in a couple of days, but in the interim please let me know if there is any more of this from him. Newyorkbrad 02:56, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Mortigi tempo[edit]

Sorry to bother, but there are about a dozen different IP contributors infesting this article (if you can call it that) right now. I've tried tagging it as a db-attack page a few times to no avail. (jarbarf) 23:27, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Um, it's already gone? Yuser31415 23:30, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
The {{db-attack}} worked, the article has been deleted. --Edokter (Talk) 23:43, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

"Mortigi tempo" is also a bad butchering of Esperanto grammar; "mortigi tempon" means "to kill time" and has the noun in the accusative case. (But ignore this comment if you're a normal human rather than a grammar-nazi like me.) Michael Hardy 02:50, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

User going around removing every single "the late" expression (as it applies to dead people) in sight[edit]

User:Booshakla is going around, and removing every single iteration of the expression "the late" he finds in Wikipedia to describe people who have passed away, to the annoyance of editors on several pages. Please see his contribution list here, which pretty much speaks for itself: [61]. He's been getting in 3RR trouble at least over the PETA article that I know of. Can someone explain to him that his crusade is needless and in many cases unwelcome, and that he should at least stop long enough to get proper feedback on his deletions? Thanks!--Ramdrake 02:33, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Content disputes are that way and 3RR violations should be reported over there. But I will admit that I think using "the late" in and article is just bad form. --Farix (Talk) 03:03, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. That's something for a magazine, not an encyclopedia. Write as if you're writing for posterity, not for today. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 03:08, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
I took a look at Booshakia's contributes to PETA and while he does skirts close to violating WP:3RR, he still didn't go over the line to fill out a report at WP:AN/3RR. I would insist that you both continue to discuss this at Wikipedia talk:Words to avoid where a discussion over the phrase is already in progress and not engage in a further edit war on PETA or any other article. --Farix (Talk) 03:23, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
First of all, not everybody is going to know what "the late" means in that context. Instances of this phrase should be replaced with clearer language, and maybe sparingly, as the person's death might not be relevant to the text in which their name is mentioned in brief passing (no pun intended). — CharlotteWebb 03:37, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
First, I'm sorry if I've caused any problems, I was just trying to help improve the articles. I've made a lengthy statement at the PETA page (which I still hope will be improved/trimmed) about why "the late" should not be added, so I won't say much here. I guess this hasn't been an issue tackled here on a wide-scale (although at WP:PW, we did make a conscious effort to remove that phrase from wrestlers). Hopefully, something can be made concrete soon and we can know what to do. Thanks for all the input.Booshakla 04:38, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Booshakla, I'm very concerned by your statement No, I will make sure that will be removed permanently. You cited WP:OWN in your comments on that talk page; you should read that policy more carefully yourself, because the comment I just quoted is a very strong example of page ownership. You've expressed your opinion on the matter, but you're getting significant pushback from other editors. In the short term, cease making these edits and discuss the matter with the objecting editors. If the consensus goes against your edits - and you can add me to the list of folks who don't see your logic - then you need to accept it and stop deleting "the late" until and unless consensus changes in the other direction. | Mr. Darcy talk 13:46, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
I was just on a little power trip. Consensus has not been reached on that page yet, and personally, I feel that my arguments are stronger than their "bookshakla is a jerk/saves a click" theory. It's not done yet, and there are discussions going on several places with all sorts of opinions/views. Booshakla 23:14, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
doesn't your userpage need a bit of a revamp to reflect reality? --Fredrick day 23:20, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
I also think "the late" is just plain silly to add to encyclopedia articles (and it always males me think of the white rabbit from Alice in Wonderland). Further, at least one of bookshakla's deletions was grounded in common sense: in his edit summary, he points out that "the late" Peter Jennings wasn't actually dead when he narrated a documentary the article was discussing. Jeffpw 23:28, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you Booshakla for removing "the late" from all of these articles, a needed improvement. (jarbarf) 00:39, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

No prob, appreciate the kind words. Booshakla 02:37, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Yes, please do remove it from articles, it is stylistically not useful, and it implies fairly recent death, thereby uselessly dating all articles that include it. Go for it, please do. KP Botany 03:43, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

User reported at WP:COI/N has vandalized my talk page with personal attacks[edit]

Following my detailed report at WP:COI/N, Dr. George Cruikshank, also blatantly known as User:Gene Poole (compare his photos at his site and the one at his user page, not mentioning his whole history of contributions), has recently vandalized my talk page with a spurios warning that shows incivility, personal attacks, unsupported accusation of eccentric opinions (????) and edit-stalking, harassment, posting of personal abuse, multiple sockpuppet abuse and wikilawyering. The user has a long term story of similar harrassment towards other users, and has been once temporarily blocked. Please advice.Dr. Who 10:43, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I put a {{uw-npa2}} warning on his talk page. Hopefully this will put a stop to it. PeaceNT 11:05, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
I would like so, but if the doesn't stop contributing to such articles strictly related to his business(es), he should be indefinitely blocked, or blocked each time he attempts to edit articles relevant to his business.Dr. Who 11:11, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm have no authority over blocking, and as I see it, the case isn't serious enough to get an editor indefinitely blocked. Please use dispute resolution PeaceNT 11:16, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
It's not a matter of dispute resolutions only, his general behaviour and his userpage are blatant violation of many Wikipedia policies.Dr. Who 12:13, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
How does his user page violate every Wikipedia policy? PeaceNT 12:54, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I'm rephrasing, I meant: his userpage violates mostly WP:COI, his general behavior is often in serious conflict with many WP policies.Dr. Who 13:03, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I hope you do not mind that i re-edited, :). Dr. Who 13:12, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, to be perfectly fair, I can understand his frustration; you have been particularly aggressive in the Ultima Thule Ambient Music AfD (including posting to my talk page with an obvious "this should be deleted" attitude when I started to open an AfD, but then decided against it), and even added a speedy deletion tag on the article while the AfD was going on (which was a poor choice on your part, though I believe you understand that now).
It doesn't excuse his behavior, but it does provide at least some explanation. EVula // talk // // 16:59, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, actually, I haven't had enough time to explain my point: I believe that that article had (has) to be deleted becouse of WP:AUTO, such episodes are slowly seriously damaging Wikipedia. After deletion, the article could/should be recreated by a different, indipendent editor. His harrassment began a few days ago after I posted questions at Talk:Ambient music and talk Space music. He's almost notable, and should definitely stop editing such articles, though he's welcome to explain his point in talk pages. Dr. Who 17:13, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I really don't see why the article, of a notable subject, should be deleted and then recreated; what's the point? Why reinvent the wheel? EVula // talk // // 05:45, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

An unjust 3RR accusation and block for Daizus[edit]

I have recently been blocked by InShaneee for no real reason. On 13th February as I logged to Wikipedia I first noted I have a message on my talk page. Going there I saw a 3RR block message signed by InShaneee. I knew I had some reverts on that page regarding a controversy related to WP:NC but I remembered I had avoided falling under the incidence of 3RR rule, hence my first reaction was to protest with a reply in my talk page. But then immediately I checked the page history for the article on Albert Wass and I noticed I had 4 reverting edits in a 24 hour interval (11 February 20:48 - 12 February 16:45; I'm using server time as reference) and then, in good faith, I thought I rushed in denying the accusation and withdrew my reply. Amazed by the difference between what I knew I had done and what I saw in that first glance, I proceeded to analyze the situation. And I discovered my 4 reverts were actually about two different things:

11 Feb, 20:48 - revert names
11 Feb, 21:12 - revert names
11 Feb, 21:19 - add tags
12 Feb, 16:45 - revert names, revert tags

As such, I was not under the incidence of 3RR rule and I requested an unblock. However, my request was denied by Arjun because apparently, my block was registered for another article: Burzenland. This can be seen in my block log and in the first edit InShaneee performed in my talk page, a edit which he later corrected. And here I want to mention I couldn't find a 3RR report issued on me (and thus the evidence for the accusation and the block). True, I have performed a lot of edits in the article on Burzenland, but there were not even 2 edits reverting the same content. Furthermore I protested in my talk page and I requested evidence for the 3RR accusation. I have not received responses or apologies, though both administrators were active since then, as easily anyone can see in their contributions history.

I have added this complain also in a RfC opened on his behavior. Daizus 13:53, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

You've apparantly already been unblocked. · AndonicO Talk · Sign Here 21:04, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I might not have been very clear about my motives. Of course I am unblocked. But it was an abusive action with apparently no justification, an action which frustrated me. Isn't power abuse a worrying thing here? Can an administrator block someone for no reason and then simply all things continue as nothing ever happened? Didn't I deserve at least an informal apology? Doesn't that administrator deserve at least an informal warning? Daizus 05:19, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

page move vandalism of Decompression sickness now living at Arie Waz here[edit]

I'm not sure I know how to fix this vandalism. The article has been suffering page move vandalism. Now the article exists under its proper name, but the edit history is attached to the vandal version. Please help! I'm sorry if I made things worse in trying to fix it, but now I see I am in over my head. MKoltnow 02:54, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Fixed. —bbatsell ¿? 02:57, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Um, Bbatsell, can you explain how you did it to MKoltnow so he can do it next time? Cheers :P, Yuser31415 03:01, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Unless something has changed in MediaWiki (which is entirely possible, I haven't kept up), he can't, because a redirect will exist at the correct location that has to be deleted first. Just tap an admin on the shoulder to take care of it, or tag the redirect (the correct location) as a speedy candidate and then anyone can move it back once the redirect is deleted. —bbatsell ¿? 03:03, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Mumble mumble ... It's all very well asking a sysop, but, well, you know, doing so is kind of hard when you all go off to have a coffee ;). This morning, one of my AIV reports stayed for about 20 minutes before being taken care of :P. Yuser31415 03:46, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Oh, and MKoltnow, from what I can tell you did all you can do; someone else copy/pasted the text into the redirect (that was missing the history) and tagged the page with all of the history with a db. That is very much the wrong way to do it :) —bbatsell ¿? 03:06, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
That's the reason that the page couldn't simply be moved back. Any user capable of moving a page can move a page back to its original name, assuming that the redirect has has no other edits made to it. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 03:11, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Aha :) Thanks for the correction; I don't think we could do that back when I didn't have the mop. If we did, I have an awful memory. —bbatsell ¿? 03:26, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Block evasion by Bradles 01[edit]

Bradles 01 was blocked indefinately for hoaxing and as a likely sockpuppet of Jane 01. Afer several unsuccessful requests to have the block lifted Bradles 01 appears to have created a further sockpuppet Bradles 02. I posted a message at Suspected sock puppets/Bradles 01 describing the situation. I posted a suspected sockpuppet notice on Bradles 02's userpage and advised Bradles 01 via his/her talk page. Bradles 02 has since removed the sockpuppet notice [62] and placed an abusive message on my talk page [63]. Gimboid13 05:30, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

User Fadix[edit]

I left a message about user Fadix here - it is second one. Insults and threats are continued [64] Fadix threatens with edit revenge ("Anyway, you've got interested me in contributing on Heider Aliev article. Which I will be doing as soon as possible. Fad (ix) 05:37, 16 February 2007 (UTC)") Another user Fedayee also embarked on assaults - his language is also self-explanatory. They accuse me of lack of knowledge ("Read the history Fadix showed you and stop playing dumb") (before they called me stupid, now it seems they refined the language). Fadix was reported several times by other users - no action taken against him. --Dacy69 23:01, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

More targetted harassment and threats[edit]

Hi. Some may remember I reported a set of incidents about 11 days ago about anons giving me some really bad harassment (threats which considering my Northern Irish background are incredibly serious), see [65]. Well this evening I checked my mail to discover I'd received this email through Wikipedia.




The mail was seemingly sent through the account of User:Perdy80 from the headers (email and addresses etc available on request). Now this is too similar to the Brazilian based IP abuse I was getting in the above mentioned incident and I have no choice but to take this seriously given my Northern Irish background and the kinds of people that could be involved in that sort of matter. Any thoughts, suggestions, advice? Ben W Bell talk 18:10, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't know how effective it would be, but if there is an IP in the headers, you could try and report it to the abuse-at-ISP.--Isotope23 18:44, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
By the way, considering some of the edits to User talk:Perdy80 while he is currently on a 1 week block, I've extended this to 1 month. I was wavering between that and an indef because I see very little in the way of non-vandalism from this editor.--Isotope23 18:50, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
You can try checkuser. If Perdy80 is editing from the same range in Brazil that might be enough confirmation to block his account. Thatcher131 18:51, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
In the circumstances I would say an indef block is more appropriate. It doesn't solve the problem though. - Kittybrewster 18:57, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I received this email today, and since he hasn't edited anything to do with Northern Ireland I'm inclined to believe him and leave it at the appropriate block.

I just want to take the time to say how sorry i am about that. I copied and pasted something that someone else had said to you before that i thought would anoy you because i was annoyed at being blocked, i should have known that you would find the cut and pasted comment to be insensitive.

I just find it's so easy to go a bit overboard on this site when someone blocks you for what wasn't that bad. I think it best if i leave this website to people who really have a passion for it, i feel that there are to many cat fights and arguments. Once again i apologise for cutting and pasting what i did to you, it was in very poor taste. I came to this website with good intentions but have found there is to much bias involved in articles and to many arguments and subsequent personal attacks on people which are really not called for {mine included}. I hope you can find it in your heart to forgive me and i wish you luck with this site, i think i get a bit too worked up to contribute again. ps: i'm actually from English/Protestant heritage myself and can see why it upset you.


Ben W Bell talk 08:26, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

User:Dora Nichov[edit]

User:Dora Nichov posted a death threat on an anon talk page [66]. This is bad, right? --- RockMFR 05:38, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

It is bad, and I just gave him a {{uw-legal2}} warning for that action. PeaceNT 05:52, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
It seems that this user has been doing similar things to other anons.