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Huge sockpuppetry problem[edit]

We've been dealing with a load of sockpuppets screwing with the Witton Albion F.C. recently. They have odd usernames like Mane trim and Noon went. At the same time, it appears that Northwich Victoria F.C. is being attacked by socks with names like Mane mane and Tree three. When both articles are protected from new users...the socks start coming out. A brief look through the attackers of both articles will show that the socks are made on the same days. This guy is making about ten to fifteen accounts every two or three days and waiting to use them. The most recent wave to attack both articles were made on the 7th of this month. This guy has patience. Any ideas what to do? IrishGuy talk 19:10, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

You could try "Requests for IP check" at WP:RFCU to identify and block the underlying IP, if possible. Many checkusers will list other obvious sleeper accounts when performing a check. MastCell Talk 19:15, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
I don't think he is using a static IP. He only brings out the sleeper accounts when he needs an older one. If there is no protection on a page, he just uses brand new accounts. Everytime they are blocked, he just makes a new one. As you can see here he even taunts Come on boys, set your best Checkuser on me. because he knows he can switch IPs. IrishGuy talk 19:19, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
If there's nothing that can be accomplished via checkuser (and I'd still recommend giving it a shot), then I don't know what else can be done other than semi-protection and revert, block, ignore. MastCell Talk 19:38, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
Have you tried to get the IP addresses blocked? Assuming it isn't possible to block the underlying IP address got me once. I finally got fed up and submitted the user for an IP address check and got some ranges blocked. Since then the user has been pretty much non-existent. --Bobblehead (rants) 19:42, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
He has used an IP address a few times. They were, and that is how I know it is the same person on both articles. He can change it so quickly that individual IP blocks are useless. I don't know how big the range is so I feared collateral damage with a wide rangeblock. IrishGuy talk 20:25, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
I'd still submit them for an IP check. Let the person running the check decide if they can block or not. You may also want to request the person keep a record of the IP addresses so you can file a report at WP:ABUSE and maybe get BT to shutdown their account. --Bobblehead (rants) 20:55, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, the IP checkuser came back with: IP is different every day, across several A class ranges. Any other ideas? The whack-a-mole thing is getting annoying. IrishGuy talk 02:57, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Does this[1] stay in borders of WP:CIVIL?[edit]

This edit just cropped up in my watchlist and I felt It could use a comment from admins.--Alexia Death 19:48, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

While I'm not an admin, that falls under WP:CIVIL like the Pope falls under Judaism: i.e. it doesn't by a long shot. Will (talk) 20:11, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Repeated personal attacks and UserPage vandalism by User:PageantUpdater[edit]


On June 18, User:PageantUpdater left a message on her user [2] and talk pages [3] [4] asking the project to "f*ck off".

One day later, June 19, she updated the messages explaining she was leaving Wikipedia [5] [6].

But just 2 days after her goodbye message, on June 21, she came back in an DRV discussion to call fellow Wikipedians "F*KING IGNORANT" , "IMBECILES" and suggested that Wikipedia has "gone down the toilet"[7]. She said that it was that what brought her to leave Wikipedia.

Just on they later, (June 22) she was apparently back to normal editing, when she created one article [[8] and added a free image to two articles [9] [10]. All very good!

But today she just came back and, apart from some apparently normal editions, called Wikipedians "imbecile" [11], showed intentions to ignore WP:NPA when she see fits [12] and vandalized User:Fuzzy510's page [13] to call him (and another user named Carlton) a "f*cking arsehole" and to ask him to f*ck himself and to go to "hell".

Also today, she updated here userpage to say that "everyone here is a f*cking arsehole" [14].

DISCLAIMER: I have to let you know that this user is involved (but not very active) in an Arbitration Case against me, so, I may have a bit of personal prejudice on how I read all these "f*ck you" in her comments. --Abu badali (talk) 20:16, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, this crap doesn't fly with me. User was warned, persisted in doing it anyway, and is now blocked for 24h. -- Merope 20:24, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
For the sake of accuracy: Insults are not necessarily personal attacks. Only if said insults are used to dismiss arguments in an ad hominem form does it qualify. Under WP:NPA, threatening behaviour also qualifies. See personal attack for the nuances of the term.
That said, the PageantUpdater is definitely having some trouble with Wikipedia:Civility. –Gunslinger47 20:28, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
Agreed, I don't now if any of this is really a personal attack per se, but the Fuzzy510 diff (which appears to be in response to an AFD notice Fuzz510 left at PageantUpdater's talkpage) absolutely warrented a block. I understand that it sucks to see your work get nominated for deletion, but that sort of response simply is not helpful. The "everyone is a fucking arsehole" bit I'd just chalk up to frustration...--Isotope23 20:40, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
Well, at least calling the other parties in an DRV discussion "F*KING IGNORANT" and "IMBECILES"[15] is an uncivil ad hominem argument, right? Anyway, thanks for dealing with her. --Abu badali (talk) 20:56, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I have unblocked due to the editor apparently having calmed down and promising not to be disruptive or be uncivil. Obviously if this promise is broken a block is in order. --W.marsh 01:10, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I wish someone had brought my attention to this section earlier, although perhaps its better that I have come to it with a clear head and a desire to move forward. I apologise for my atrocious behaviour, although in all honesty I cannot apologise for the essence of my message. I hope the former is enough for now. I promise that I will refrain from incivility in the future and keep my head down for a while. I found that I love editing too much to go... although the collaborative side of Wikipedia is certainly not as much fun as it once was. PageantUpdater 05:50, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Continued personal attacks by Isaiah13066[edit]

Resolved: 7 day block.

Nandesuka 04:00, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I came across this edit by Isaiah13066 (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log) and warned him against making personal attacks. He continued (the user's last name is Cox but Isaiah13066 is calling him Cocks). So I gave him a final warning to which he did this to. The user was previously blocked 48 hours for making personal attacks. Paul Cyr 20:43, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Those diffs would prompt me to block him, but I note that they're all from 2-3 days ago. His more recent edits, while uncivil, seem slightly more constructive. I'm feeling like blocking him for those older posts now would be punitive rather than preventive; however, I'm all for having a zero-tolerance policy from here forward, given the inappropriateness of those earlier remarks and the fact that he's been adequately warned. MastCell Talk 21:16, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
I've also notified Isiah of this discussion on his talk page. MastCell Talk 21:18, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
I hope that my posts were ok. I was trying to stay civil. But in any case, I actually did apologized to him on his Talk Page if I upset him. If it matters, I'd vote to not block him and give him the benefit of the doubt. Michaelcox 01:17, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
This edit, on 28 June, seems pure vandalism. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 01:29, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
That edit is from 28 February, methinks. Unless you're with the Precrime Division... MastCell Talk 02:30, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Sorry (not really) about my zero-tolerance for stupidity Isaiah13066 03:52, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

7 day block due to my zero-tolerance for incivility (see user's talk page history, as well). Nandesuka 04:00, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Good block, we don't have to put up with this.--Jersey Devil 04:02, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Yes, good block; I'd have done the same once he made those further edits. MastCell Talk 04:45, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Incivility and forgery by Cberlet[edit]

There have been edit disputes going on at Lyndon LaRouche and United States v. LaRouche for several weeks now. The discussion on the talk pages and in edit summaries has been fairly heated on both sides of the disputes, although I would say the worst incivility has come primarily from User:Cberlet and User:Dking. I and others have asked the editors in these disputes to tone it down. However, today an incident took place which I think crosses the line. In this edit, Cberlet deleted a comment by User:Don't lose that number and substituted a different text, so he effectively forged a post by Don't lose that number. I think this incident requires some sort of administrative action. --Marvin Diode 21:24, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

That's not forgery, that's refactoring. The link you provided shows Cberlet changing the heading of the poll he started and refactoring the comments of another user to conform with a poll. While I don't think polls are generally helpful, I've seen this done frequently before where someone adds a comment to a "vote". Regarding the incivility charge, the "pro-LaRouche" editors, particularly NathanDW (talk · contribs), have a habit of making negative personal remarks about Cberlet and Dking [16][17], and have been warned. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 21:58, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
A different text? Qué? It's exactly the same text. Did you not scroll all the way down on the diff, or something? I think your charge of "forgery" here on ANI requires some sort of apology to Cberlet. Bishonen | talk 22:10, 25 June 2007 (UTC).
I would prefer that Cberlet not edit an article in which he has such a strong personal vested interest (he is named several times and his publications are cited as sources). However there is nothing wrong with that diff. Thatcher131 22:18, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
As many have pointed out, a problem with our COI guideline is that it penalizes editors with known affiliations while exempting more anonymous users who may have equal or greater conflicts. The LaRouche-related articles have long been the subject of attention from pro-LaRouche editors (and their sock puppets). Overall, I'd say that Cberlet may have less of a COI than many of the involved editors, but there is no way of unequivocally establishing that fact. Removing "anti-LaRouche" editors while allowing the "pro-LaRouche" editors to remain would not result in better articles. The alternative we're stuck with is dealing with protracted, and sometimes rancorous, disputes on these pages. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 22:40, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
On rereading WP:COI, I see it does contain exemptions for those in Cberlet's situation.
  • An article about a little-known band should preferably not be written by a band member or the manager. However, an expert on climate change is welcome to contribute to articles on that subject, even if that editor is deeply committed to the subject.
  • You may cite your own publications just as you'd cite anyone else's, but make sure your material is relevant and that you're regarded as a reliable source for the purposes of Wikipedia.
I believe that Cberlet and Dking have complied with WP:COI. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 22:44, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Cberlet created an entirely new poll question and signed Don't Lose That Number's username to one of the answers. This was apparently intended to mock Don't Lose That Number for his previous comment -- Cberlet's edit summary was "(Is this formulation of your views correct User:Don't lose that number?)." Then, Don't Lose That Number's previous post was added as a "comment" to the new poll. This is not "refactoring." Don't Lose That Number later removed this creation with the edit summary "not my doing." Please take a second look at this edit, and you will see that it was not just an innocent moving of text. The creation of a new poll question and the adding of the username to an answer adds up to attributing an opinion to Don't Lose That Number that he apparently does not subscribe to. --Marvin Diode 05:53, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Trolling by anons on Talk:Mudkip[edit]

Over the past month or two, a dispute over an internet meme from 4chan has been debated on Talk:Mudkip. When I joined the argument (against the meme), things turned south quickly, leading to several long arguments on my talk page and Talk:Mudkip, partially because I was playing the "hardline policy" card. About a few weeks ago, two anonymous users - (talk · contribs) and (talk · contribs) - have been playing devil's-advocate on the page, and seem to be doing it to get a rise out of myself and out of Ksy92003 (talk · contribs). Is there anything that can be done to stop this madness one way or another? -Jeske (v^_^v) 21:34, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I'll put in a request at WP:RPP to semiprotect the page so that anonymous users cannot edit it. Such action is unheard of for talk pages, but it's justified in this instance. Shalom Hello 21:53, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
I have another note to add: tried to impersonate Ksy92003. -Jeske (v^_^v) 21:57, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
I've left a note on the talk, but seeing as most IPs anywhere on Wiki can't even be bothered to read comments, I doubt anyone's going to take notice. Will (talk) 23:27, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
The IPs that care do, and have been so nice as to rebut me in no uncertain terms. -Jeske (v^_^v) 00:40, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Possible external link spam[edit]

User: has been rapidly adding links to "", which appears to be a podcast series, to multiple articles - see the contributions list. The links tend to be tailored to the articles to which they're added (interviews with article subjects, etc.), but the sheer number is beginning to become alarming. Could use some admin attention. JavaTenor 21:40, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Reverted and warned; adding links like that is never OK. I'll be watching their contributions and seeing if they start up again. Veinor (talk to me) 21:49, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
If this continues, please make a request on m:Talk:Spam blacklist. Naconkantari 22:42, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Death threat[edit]

Resolved: IP blocked.

[18] - and extreme incivility at best. Corvus cornix 22:58, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Blocked for a week, hope it's static. WHOIS traces the IP to Ontario. Any known public enemies from Ontario? Grandmasterka 23:06, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. Might want to ask User:Utcursch if he has any ideas. Corvus cornix 23:22, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
Most probably this is same as (another IP that traces to Toronto, Ontario) -- I had blocked the user for 24 hours. The user had vandalized the same article (Ball). utcursch | talk 04:40, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Probable disruptive sock[edit]

Japastor (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) created this AfD (which I closed early). The user in question had no other contribs outside of making the AfD, and tagging the page. Any comments as to who? Kwsn(Ni!) 23:02, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

You didn't remove the AfD tag from the article. Corvus cornix 23:11, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
Done. Thanks for reminding me. Kwsn(Ni!) 23:12, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
Cheers. :) Corvus cornix 23:21, 25 June 2007 (UTC)


I don't want to issue a block for a dispute I'm involved in, so I encourage someone else to look into it and block. Here's the story:

  • He was blocked on July 3, 2006 for 24 hours for vandalism of User:OrphanBot after receiving a message about an image he had uploaded.
  • He was blocked for a week on July 4, 2006 for personal attacks such as this
  • Today, he posted this, and I warned him with this
  • He came back at me with this

Thanks. —METS501 (talk) 23:41, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

  • He also moved the OrphanBot page. Seems like he just flipped out. --MichaelLinnear 23:44, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
I think he might, just might, be a sockpuppet of banned User:Karmafist. That sort of conduct is totally unacceptable -- uploading inappropriate, and illegal images, is not a "content" dispute. --Haemo 23:46, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
I don't think so Karmafist had extensive checkusers run on him in the past. Juppiter is probably just his friend. --MichaelLinnear 23:50, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
Blocked for two weeks. -- Merope 23:47, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

vandalism by User:Angus Lepper[edit]


He keeps vandalising the poverty in Pakistan article to push his POV and makes threats against me in his last few edit summaries.Please do something about this troll.-Chowk 23:45, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually, it appears that it is you who are adding POV statements. You continue to add the unreferenced statements: Many in Pakistan have turned to Islamist terrorism and antisemitism because they see the west and the jews as a scapegoat for most of their social and political problems. and it is, correctly, being removed. As Angus Lepper noted on your talk page, please read WP:CITE and WP:NPOV. IrishGuy talk 23:50, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
Add WP:AGF to that for good measure.--Atlan (talk) 00:42, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Movie copyvios from AOL IPs[edit]

Be on the lookout for copyvio plot summaries being added by AOL IPs. I have just reverted a bunch of additions by (talk · contribs) and (talk · contribs) that were just movie reviews from wire services. In the case of the latter IP, the descriptions were added on June 18 and have been sitting there for a week. --BigDT 00:59, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

User:Dragon panda from the west - Removal of DB-nonsense tag[edit]

Dragon panda from the west (talk · contribs · count · logs · block log · lu · rfa · rfb · arb · rfc · lta · socks) insists on removing a DB-nonsense tag from a (probably) nonsense article [19]. Has been warned about this [20] & has continued to do so [21]. --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:42, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

You gave him a last warning, after which he hasn't made any edits yet. Report him to WP:AIV if he removes the tag again.--Atlan (talk) 02:03, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry i don't see that as Patent nonsense What I see is a probable hoax, and there are good reasons why merly probable hoaxes, as opposed to admitted or velrly confirmed ones, are not speedy targets. I'm going to remove the tag, replace it with {{hoax}}, and prod it. DES (talk) 06:01, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Admin nullifed a vote and discussion in UCFD.[edit][edit]

This IP address has repeatedly posted unsourced information about "upcoming" virtual console releases. They will not stop, even after a message asking they not to was left. LN3000 01:52, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Lamename, that's a violation of WP:3RR. Next time you see that, you should report the offender to WP:AN3RR. The standard remedy is a 24h block for the IP address. Shalom Hello 03:53, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Ghirlandajo (talk · contribs)[edit]


Looks like a continuation of this behavior. He left a comment on DDima's talk which I found to be a bit agressive (it looked to me like it was directed at DDima). I replied to it on both DDima's talk page and Ghirlandajo's talk page.

A few hours later, I got a message on my talk page accusing me of trolling. I asked Ghirlandajo about it, but didn't get an answer.

It looks to me like a violation of the warning mentioned here: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/AndriyK#Ghirlandajo warned. This user's history of disputes is mentioned here: Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Ghirlandajo. — Alex(U|C|E) 01:57, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm sure that a violation of an ArbCom warning has serious consequences. I would suggest a block, but I'm sure administrators know these policies better than I do. — Alex(U|C|E) 02:03, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

It looks to me like an extremely petty content dispute that is getting blown out of proportion, and I can't see how this should lead to anyone getting blocked. You've cited an RfC that appears to be largely irrelevant, not an ArbCom case. But what do I know. Grandmasterka 02:09, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
I've examined the diffs--thank you for providing them--and see no need for blocks or other actions. Jehochman Talk 02:16, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
You were a bit agressive in your comment (really more of a warning) on Ghirlandajo's talk page... so it's not surprising that he didn't respond super-politely. I personally find his stance on infoboxes to be annoying but whatever... nothing wrong with having an opinion. It doesn't really seem like he's done anything wrong here. --W.marsh 02:20, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I'd rather be safe, that's why I posted it here. Thanks for commenting. — Alex(U|C|E) 02:28, 26 June 2007 (UTC)



Having some problems with Thedeadmanandphenom (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log), who has been leaving profane, incivil and occasionally threatening (though not realistically threatening, more in the 'I hope you die!' type commentia range) on the page of Darrenhusted. I think he needs a time out. Could someone put him in the corner for a a couple hours? --Thespian 18:33, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

In the past he has disrupted pages [22] and blanked sourced material [23], and after having numerous warnings [24] for editors other than myself he has now decided to attack me personally for PROD-ding an article he created [25], [26]. I don't know if he is here to constructively edit, and I have tried to assume good faith, even tidying up the article he created [27] but I think that some kind of block (may be for 12 hours) may be needed to try to reign him in. Any help on this matter would be appreciated. Darrenhusted 18:41, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

If anyone ever gets around to looking at this issue, I'd also request a checkuser on Lostinspace123 (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log), who has been mucking with my talk page and Darren's, entirely with snarky comments about Darren's sexuality and facetious sounding comments about Thedeadmanandphenom. --Thespian 16:10, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

ETA - slurs from Lostinspace123 invectives have now gotten racial in addition to being sexual. He's on a bit of a tear. --Thespian 16:25, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
I've blocked him indef for a "death threat" as well as general harassment SirFozzie 16:31, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
[28] Thedeadmanandphenom is still trolling my page, even while claiming to not know Lostinspace123 who re-registered as Lostinspace1234 to get around the block [29]. Darrenhusted 16:43, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Chris Benoit (preventative)[edit]

This Wrestler and his family have died under unknown circumstances. From previous experience with the deaths of famous (or semi-famous) people, the dingbats and fuckwits soon follow to put their own stamp on events. Do a couple of admins want to put this on their watchlist - because a little prevention goes a long way... --Fredrick day 22:43, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

It's been preëmptively semi-protected, which should help keep things under control. MastCell Talk 22:46, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
I should point out I'm not actually into wrestling but saw it mentioned elsewhere - the other reason it might be trouble is that (from what I can gather) the WWE is currently doing a storyline where the head of the organisation is pretending to be dead (yes yes I know) so it's likely we would get lots of "OMG THIS IS FAKE!" stuff. --Fredrick day 22:48, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
It isnt a storyline he is unfortuntly dead and I can't get over the bad timeing with the Mcmahon is dead storyline ♥Fighting for charming Love♥ 23:41, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

::::Nothing is showing up anywhere on the internet or the MSM except on the wrestling blogs. Probably worth the protection anyways, but so far nothing substantiates this story as real news. ThuranX 23:48, 25 June 2007 (UTC)laright, it's starting to get coverage now. ThuranX 00:12, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Even TNA has reported it and ther a rival company they would only do it if it was real like with Eddie guerrero ♥Fighting for charming Love♥ 23:52, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
An Atlanta TV station has picked it up [30]. Sadly, it's real. SirFozzie 23:53, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
As well as the major Atlanta paper [31]
darn I wish it was fake I can't stop crying. But even other tv shows have picked it up ♥Fighting for charming Love♥ 23:55, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
Wrestling's a touchy subject with news, especially with the McMahon "death" happening very recently. I'd be happy with a major news source picking it up, but I guess we have to accept it only with the minor sources. Will (talk) 00:01, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Mr Mcmahon just admited that his death was fake so theres no way anyone would confuse chris death with a storyline ♥Fighting for charming Love♥ 00:03, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Not any more, at least. The news in Benoit's home town/province are picking up the story now. It's legit: [32] Resolute 00:14, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
I can't belive his son was that young I think im going to be sick ♥Fighting for charming Love♥ 00:16, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Interesting: link to the AJC says murder-suicide, edmonton sun says homicide. SWATJester Denny Crane. 02:23, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I haven't put the AJC link into it because there's no source listed (named or unnamed). there's no confirmation elsewhere as well about the possible murder-suicide (I've heard it was mentioned on MSNBC and Fox News, but that's hearsay) SirFozzie 02:25, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Anyone want to do a speedy on a quite distasteful image that a user is suggesting we add to the article --Fredrick day 09:50, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Allegations of state terrorism in Sri Lanka[edit]

User:Blnguyen once again started Edit War without discussing before revert the issues of she/he consider, "random videos posted on google and tripod websites and communist lobby groups are not RS."Lustead 02:40, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

...Sounds like a very good call. In any case, I'm not sure what you expect us to do. Grandmasterka 02:43, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Should we move it to State terrorism by Sri Lanka to match State terrorism by the United States? Or would that title not be appropriate? Tom Harrison Talk 02:52, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
You should move it back to State terrorism by Sri Lanka to match State terrorism by the United States, that is the ideal version to explain the "State Terrorism by Fools".Lustead 03:14, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Not only it's protected at the version before the revert of User:Blnguyen and she/he should be reminded Wikipedia is not someone's "grandma's property".Lustead 02:54, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Very good call. How about you, you know, actually read what he wrote when he reverted, instead of just blindly reverting back. Riana (talk) 02:56, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Well see WP:RS about proper published materials not random stuff posted on the internet. We've gone through this before. Nobody considers these sources acceptable except a group of single purpose Tamil lobbyists. eg, see [33] where Samir and Ghirlandajo tell you the same thing. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:59, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive255#Removal_of_RS_sources - We have Y, DakotaKahn, Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington, Nishkid64, Dineshkannambadi, Naveenbm telling you that these are not RS (and you asked for neutral opinions, and you got them). Only FayssalF thought these ethnic lobby groups and random websites are acceptable. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:10, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Once you go through this[34], you will realise even the neutral editors User:Blueboar and User:SebastianHelm are the same view of Tamilnet meets WP:RS.Lustead 03:36, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
So those who don't think it is RS don't count? Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:43, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
That's what we have a lenghthy discussion at Wikipedia talk:Reliable sources and User:Blueboar has given the final verdict[35] - Tamilnet meets WP:RS. If you want to by-pass his verdict find some other way in wikipedia to determine whether Tamilnet meets WP:RS or not, than just shouting about others - "So those who don't think it is RS don't count?".Lustead 03:57, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
You should discuss case by case basis and should revert and not the "whole scale revert" - A clear vandalism. Lustead 03:06, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
You are the one who never discussed at all and simply cited vandalism. You are a single topic editor who knows about ANI on your sixth edit and hibernates until an incident comes up and you are back in five minutes.....Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:10, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
I think you are interested in my old history how did I manage on my sixth edit at ANI, then you can dig my sandboxes and reveal them to public how you have done it to User:Taprobanus, the case is already going on at this ANI/Incidents just you scroll above.Lustead 03:44, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Tamilnet seems to be ok. But tamilnation, eelamnet, etc are LTTE mouthpieces.Bakaman 03:12, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I reviewed the edit history of Lusthead. He appears to be an essentially one-purpose account primarily interested in flaring up "Sri Lankan and Indian conflicts"[36]. My policy towards combative one-purpose accounts is strict. I would suggest a community block if he sticks to his disruptive policy of forum shopping and revert warring in the future. Allegations of state terrorism in Sri Lanka ought to be protected until the dispute is resolved. --Ghirla-трёп- 05:52, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I think it is good to be a single purpose account when it comes to sensitive world conflicts where in the real world diplomats, statesmen and politicians failed for decades to resolve them. I think majority of the Administrators are well informed and not fools to do forum shoping here.Lustead 07:00, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Protected for a month, straight off the last protection and back to the edit warring. Naturally, the wrong version was protected. Daniel 07:22, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Would a RfC or an ArbCom case sort out Sri Lanka related issues? It seems that protecting/unprotecting/ANI reporting have never resulted in any consensus. -- FayssalF - Wiki me up® 13:15, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia does not have content arbitration procedures. People need to talk to each other in order to resolve their content disputes. As long as they are unwilling to talk, the disputed page should remain protected. --Ghirla-трёп- 13:19, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
I know that but arbitration procedures can correct the behaviour of users who are unwilling to resolve their disputes. I have no problem in keeping it protected forever but bringing the issue here all the time is disturbing. If no venue can sort this out then obviously it can't be dealt w/ here as well. -- FayssalF - Wiki me up® 13:24, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
I agree with User:FayssalF that arbitration procedures can correct the behaviour of users who are unwilling to resolve their disputes. I request User:Daniel and others, the ArbCom case should be initiated immediately.Lustead 14:40, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Second opinion requested on sockpuppetry allegation[edit]

Resolved: I've reviewed the evidence privately and declined the unblock request--Chaser - T 08:04, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I need a second opinion on a sockpuppetry allegation (in fact, the second allegation made by one editor against another). Briefly, the IP evidence suggests that Willie Peter (talk · contribs) is editing from the same ISP as various suspected socks of Joehazelton and also misspells grammar as "grammer" in the same way. I don't see any other similarities, but a summary of the accuser's evidence is below my long comment here and in the section below (my comment is about the previous sockpuppetry allegation). I would like a second opinion about the new sockpuppetry allegation, the accuser's behavior, and anything else that people are interested to give.--Chaser - T 06:05, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Just adding that this latest sockpuppetry allegation came from Propol here [37], and Willie Peter (talk · contribs) has already removed it from his talk page, screaming about "harassment" in exactly the same way as suspected socks of Joehazelton always does. Eleemosynary 06:20, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
UPDATE: Luna Santin has banned the sock, indefinitely. --Eleemosynary 06:44, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
I know the sock is already blocked -- thank you -- but I still wanted to post this. Please see this edit of another blocked User:Joehazelton sock puppet. Notice, he makes reference to a scarlet letter, as he does with the User:Willie Peter sock too. Also, he attempts to expose the identity of a Wikipedia admin and makes threats. Please watch this user closely, he has made death threats in the past and located people offline. Propol 06:54, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Political intollerance of Slovak admin Mr. Kelovy[edit]

Resolved: There's little we can do about issues on another edition of Wikipedia. Sorry. EVula // talk // // 14:15, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

When I tried to edit biased content of some Slovak pages concerning history of leftist movement and communism, Mr. Kelovy (Slovak admin) blocked me. In our e-mail discussion he turned out to have anti-leftist and anti-communist political view which he enforces on Slovak Wikipedia contents. I assume that bringing own political views into admin work violates philosophy of Wikipedia and therefor I request that Mr. Kelovy would be dismissed from the position of Slovak admin to allow for more open and non-biased Wikipedia contents.

Would you please answer to my complaint to


Mato — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

I assume you are talking about Kelovy (talk · contribs). He is not an admin here. Any issues on the Slovak Wikipedia should we dealt with on the Slovak Wikipedia. We have no jurisdiction there. AecisBrievenbus 11:01, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Creating redirects in Wikipedia space to an essay in one's user pages?[edit]

I think that User:NewAsmodeus/Harden The Fuck Up, though arguing that authoring personal attacks is sometimes okay (and thus arguing that WP:NPA is wrong), falls within whatever free speech protections that Wikipedia editors have with regard to policy. However, I'm wondering - is it acceptable for the author of the essay to have created a number of redirects in Wikipedia space that point to the essay? -- John Broughton (♫♫) 13:27, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Some of those don't even make sense. WP: should be used before an abbreviation, not the full name. Like WP:HTFU, WP:HARDEN would make sense, as it is no. And I'd say definitely have the essay itself in the main wikipedia space with an "Essay, not Policy" tag, not in userspace -- Phoeba WrightOBJECTION! 13:47, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
I don't see anything expressly against wikipedia space --> user space redirects in the guidelines on redirects or shortcuts. You could try WP:RFD... What I find immensely interesting though is that in 27 edits, NewAsmodeus (talk · contribs) created a well formatted, linked, essay with correctly licensed images. Makes you wonder what their other account name is and if they got a recent personal attack block.--Isotope23 13:49, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Looking at his contribs, you're right, he's definitely someone's sock puppet. Probably evading a block as well. Definitely violating username policy against Asmodeus (talk · contribs) if they aren't the same person anyway, so block? -- Phoeba WrightOBJECTION! 13:56, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Asmodeus hasn't edit since late March, Phoeba. Evilclown93(talk) 13:58, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
That doesn't mean the user isn't <!--impersonating--> him. -- Phoeba WrightOBJECTION! 14:06, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Strictly speaking, as WP:U violations go, this one probably wouldn't be acted on if it showed up at WP:UAA. Asmodeus is a pre-existing term, and there's no evidence that User:NewAsmodeus is actually impersonating User:Asmodeus, and the similarity of name can be written off as a coincidence (which is the risk you run when you base your username on an existing word or phrase). EVula // talk // // 14:25, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
See User talk:Sceptre7, also an impersonating username of User:Sceptre posting the same essay, already blocked. Until(1 == 2) 14:55, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Looks like the essay and the redirects were deleted, recreated, deleted, etc. I've went ahead and blocked NewAsmodeus (talk · contribs) because of obvious socking with Sceptre7 (talk · contribs). If someone wants to request a checkuser I'd bet there might be a couple other accounts out there with related IPs.--Isotope23 15:29, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


This user is continuing to engage in POV pushing that is borderline trolling and vandalism [38] [39], despite warnings. It would be nice if someone with authority could give him another warning that POV pushing is not acceptable. The Evil Spartan 15:16, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


This user is continuing to upload copyrighted content and claim it as his own. He has once again uploaded Image:Singer Robbie Williams.jpg, which is an exact copy of another copyrighted image that was deleted from, for which he was warned. Help! The Evil Spartan 15:36, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Editor keeps adding unreliable website as proof to push POV[edit]

User:Bakasuprman who now faces ArbCom keeps cat tagging and linkspamming Indian articles citing this website as evidence. I would like to know if this site is violating WP:RS or not. The site claims to have been set up by a retired Indian police commissioner KPS Gill and voices his opinions as if they are matters of fact. Apparently, the site seems to have no other supporting evidence for any of their articles. Is this not a conflict of interest? Incidentally, Gill himself was convicted and imprisoned recently. Interestingly, the website lists Communist parties too as terrorists.

[40] [41] [42] [43]

Anwar 17:21, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

WP:COI. I am not Kanwar Pal Singh Gill. Therefore there is no conflict of interest. The site is quite reliable and has been used by many other users without question. The only problem for anwwar is that an incomprehensibly large number of Muslim groups are listed as terrorists there, and organizations like the Bajrang Dal (which doesnt engage in terrorism and are Hindu nationalist) arent. Many educational institutions regard it as a reliable source.
etc etc. It doesnt voice Gill's opinions, it voices careful and thought-out research by many individuals. Some of the other people: Birbal Sahni has worked with the UN, Bibhu Rutray, Kanchan Laxman and others have all published works in many South Asian journals, etc. It is a reliable source. I would suggest Anwar learn what spamming is and to quit trolling on WP:ANI. Also I would suggest he quit stalking me, since its painfully obvious that's how he found out I was editing the adivasi Cobra Force article.Bakaman 17:47, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

NPAs, reverts, sock/meatpuppetry, pseudoscience continued[edit]

Continuing this archived thread, I am really disappointed to see that things are again escalating:

Alexander the great1 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log) (aka "alexander veliki" in maknews) is now:

  • persistently reverting/adding un-encyclopedic information on the previously stated articles, sometimes obviously unlogged.[44] [45],
  • also here where he is removing bot html comments for unknown copyright images (among others) and calling people "vandals" for reverting his edits [46] [47], [48] [49]
  • spamming across 3 talks some totally unworthy sources as "western references".[50] [51] [52] (commentary on the source here)
  • has the firm belief that countries dictate what should be written in history books (or Wikipedia), which leads in absurd claims... See Template talk:History of the Republic of Macedonia for an example (and a laugh -sorry).
  • calling people names off-wiki repeatedly [53]
  • and soliciting organized reverts (link above)
  • and asking for lawyers in their site (having seen our previous ANI thread linked in the beginning of this comment -again the same link as right above)

I just described how my evening was like today. There is really very little I can do to stop what is an apparent case of rampant nationalistic edits ad absurdium. I'm going to bed. NikoSilver 02:26, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I have not persistently reverted anything within a reasonable time period. I have reverted articles twice maximum.
I only reverted the Alexander the Great article twice because it sounded more neutral and once because someone deleted my source.
I did not create the History of Macedonia template
I have not spammed anything. That link was related to the talk pages.
I have nothing to do with the forum you posted
Alexander the great1 03:02, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

The user "alexander veliki", which btw means "alexander the great" (lit. "ancient alexander") in your language, says otherwise:

He posted on:

  • Sun Jun 24, 2007 1:54 am: "They have now banned me from editing articles on Wikipedia because they don’t like the fact that I correct articles." [54] -and-
  • Mon Jun 18, 2007 4:55 pm: "They just banned me from Wikipedia for "correcting an article more then 3 times in 24 hours"." [55]

Your block log[56] reads:

  • 22:45, June 19, 2007 Future Perfect at Sunrise (Talk | contribs) blocked "Alexander the great1 (contribs)" (account creation blocked) with an expiry time of 24 hours (revert-warring continued)
  • 16:38, June 18, 2007 ChrisO (Talk | contribs) blocked "Alexander the great1 (contribs)" (account creation blocked) with an expiry time of 24 hours (Three-revert rule violation)

And the log [57] of one of your proven sockpuppets user Balkan balkan (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log) reads:

  • 16:26, June 23, 2007 Akhilleus (Talk | contribs) blocked "Balkan balkan (contribs)" (account creation blocked) with an expiry time of indefinite (sockpuppet of User:Alexander the great1 used for edit warring)

Which means those "announcements" you made in that site were 17 minutes (in the first case) and 9 hours (in the second) after your received blocks. I fail to see why he would lie about you (or even how he could have a clue about block logs).

The particular user "alexander veliki" made an off-wiki legal threat in that forum (among many other on-wiki and off-wiki violations). That threat was after he was already informed of that policy and looking at the previous AN/Incident (which he linked in that forum as well). His denying of the identity proves that he now understands the gravity of the situation. The full text of the legal threat follows:

Fri Jun 22, 2007 11:42 pm: [58]
"lol, I think we crossed a nerve with the Greek/Bulgarian propagandists on Wikipedia!
It seems that some of them have been spying on us hear at the forum and are outraged that they cannot control what we say as they can on Wikipedia. They have made a list of Macedonians that they want removed from the site for correcting articles. They also seem to believe that Wikipedia has a “policy for off-wiki collaboration and insults” they believe that Wikipedia can control what we say anywhere on the internet! They never cease to amaze me.
They are also upset that “The discussion there continues unobstructed” on Maknews (as if Wikipedia was supposed to due something about their complaints). They are also upset that we want to promote Macedonian academics to moderator status, isn’t that racist? They also seem to be afraid that we might organize “a class-action lawsuit “.
Are there any lawyers on the forum?" [emphasis added]

I see no room for doubt that alexander the great1 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log) is the maknews user "alexander veliki" who made those off-wiki legal threats (and other violations, including off-wiki canvassing for meatpuppetry by even posting lists of articles concerned for organized reverts, extensive on-wiki sockpuppetry, off-wiki personal attacks, previous 3RRs, off-wiki POV-fork suggestions, and repeated POV inserts in various articles). NikoSilver 10:30, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

This is indeed disturbing. Wikipedians are not expected to recruit supporters on their nation's off-wiki forums in order to promote their all-too-predictable agenda in this project. Such actions fuel incessant revert-warring that brings Wikipedia into disrepute. --Ghirla-трёп- 10:41, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
I am sorry to inform you NikoSilver but Wikipedia’s job is not to police what individuals write on forums on the Internet. Besides the fact the I already stated that I am not connected to the forum you posted, you continue making allegations. I also question your motive for posting your complaint, as I have not broken any Wikipedia rules. What’s more is that in your previous complaint as you alluded to, you singled out all of the Macedonian users that have contributed to a Macedonian article and in affect asked for them to be banned for some top secret “collaboration” that they might be planning. That was a crazy accusation as that has never happened and there is no record of them ever planning to do so. So all of this leads one to believe that you are attempting to silence any user that is Macedonian and contributes to a Macedonian Article. This is quite apparent as one can easily sense the prejudice in the tone of your writing.I really hope that this stops as it goes against the principles of Wikipedia. Alexander the great1 17:19, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for the criticism, I'll seek to ameliorate myself using your advice. In the meantime, do you care to respond why the guy in that site says "I was blocked" twice right after you were indeed blocked? Why he has essentially the same username? Why he edits in the same articles? ... NikoSilver 18:36, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
I told you that I have nothing to do with that forum
Alexander the Great is a popular Macedonain name
Many people edit articles, you and Mr.Neutron edit the same articles
Besides all of this, It is not Wikipedia’s place to monitor forums, as they are not related to Wikimedia Alexander the great1 19:17, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not of course police other sites, it polices itself from organized pov-push though. Read the linked policies. You forgot to respond on "Why the guy in that site says "I was blocked" twice right after you were indeed blocked?" NikoSilver 19:25, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I have yet to see any “organized” POV-pushing, people edit articles when they feel the need to fix them. You are again making accusations with no evidence to back them up, which leads one to believe that your accusations are an act of prejudice.
I do not know what the person said on the site, because it does not concern me. Anyone can view user pages and talk pages and see when someone has been blocked.Alexander the great1 19:38, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
So some other compatriot of yours (who btw shares entirely the same views and discusses there about the same articles) decided to frame you? What would that serve? And how would he find out about your new existence here; or worse about your blocks and those of your proven socks in 17 minutes?? NikoSilver 19:43, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps you should read the whole thread and you will find that everyone there shares the same views.
No one decided to frame me because no one said they were me.
Again it is not my concern as to how people know of my “new existence here”, how do you know of my “new existence here”?Alexander the great1 19:49, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Serious omission: Nobody else editing Macedonia-related articles was blocked; apart User:Alexander the great1 and his socks. NikoSilver 19:58, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I don’t understand why you are so concerned about what someone wrote on some forum as they said that they are myself, and I have never claimed to be anyone on that site. Alexander the great1 20:07, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
It's patently obvious that you're "alexander veliki". I'm really not impressed by your protestations, and your editing record speaks for itself (unfortunately). To avoid any misunderstandings, I'll make this clear to you: if you continue edit warring, POV-pushing, repeatedly reverting articles and generally disrupting Wikipedia, you will be blocked again for a substantial period. It's not acceptable conduct for any contributor, and right now you're not contributing anything of value. I strongly suggest that you read Wikipedia:Five pillars and take note of what it says. -- ChrisO 20:09, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
To Alexander the great1: Perhaps then we should obtain the IP address of "Alexander Veliki" from Maknews and compare it with your IP here on wikipedia (which we already know by the way). Mr. Neutron 20:10, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps we should mind our own business and not go around violating the privacy of others as it is valued and punishable under law. Maknews is a distinguished and principled forum, I really doubt that they would give away information related to the privacy of others. Besides all of this I think you people do not understand that Wikipedia has no business trying to find out what its members may be saying on other forums. Alexander the great1 20:18, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
we should mind our own business and not go around violating the privacy of others as it is valued and punishable under law: This is personal attack and a legal threat. Mr. Neutron 20:25, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

After this last comment, does anybody seriously think there's anything salvageable from this business to keep it going on eternally? NikoSilver 20:27, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I made no personal attack, just a suggestion, and I did not make a legal threat I simply informed you of what problems we might run into because I would not like to support illegal activities as you suggested.Alexander the great1 20:27, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
As it is apparent there is concentrated prejudiced attempt going on that even promotes illegal methods to reach its goal. Alexander the great1 20:33, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

You made numerous personal attacks in that site and here, and you made 2 legal threats, one in that site (after having been shown the relevant policy which is proved by you quoting the link to the previous ANI thread that included it) and again one right 2 comments above. You also keep saying "illegal" (what? an IP?), as in you'll do something about it... NikoSilver 20:37, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Please show me were I have made any legal threats or personal attacks. I already told you so many times that I have nothing to do with the forum posted. What I said was illegal was to invade the privacy of others and that I would not support it, as Mr.Neutron was promoting such a move. Although I do not know where he was planning on getting that information considering it is not available to the public, it is reasonable to assume he had more sketchy ideas in mind.

Alexander the great1 20:43, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I was going to go with it the old fasioned way, explaining the situation through email correspondence with the system administrator, providing appropriate links to content, and stressing the importance of the situation while asking for assistance. By the way, disclosing an IP is not

"illegal" as you think. It is justified in certain circumstances as this one, when there are clear policy violations. Mr. Neutron 20:47, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

It is justified in Government matters, legal matters, not open source websites. Alexander the great1 20:53, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
That is not what you posted before Mr.Neutron. And to say that I have made legal threats is absolute ridiculous, lets not get into the whole issue of libel again. I said I WOULD NOT SUPPORT ILLIGAL ACTIVITIES. I never said I would sue anyone. Alexander the great1 20:51, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

You also said: "They also seem to be afraid that we might organize “a class-action lawsuit “. Are there any lawyers on the forum?". Now you're saying "we should mind our own business and not go around violating the privacy of others as it is valued and punishable under law", and you're shouting "ILLIGAL" [sic] not to mention "libel" again. NikoSilver 20:57, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Its funny that you mention libel because Mr.Neutron is much more familiar with using that term then I am (see my user page). Saying “Legal” does not constitute a legal threat. I said that something is punishable under law as many things are, I did not say I was going to sue. That is a miss-representation of what I said. Again I have nothing to do with that forum. I really suggest that you do not start arguing over legal matters as I am most likely more familiar with this field then anyone here. Alexander the great1 21:06, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I suppose the last pompous sentence is a "suggestion", not a threat either, huh? NikoSilver 21:21, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

A legal threat is saying “I will sue you”. I never said that. If I was going to sue someone do you think I would bother announcing it for everyone on Wikipedia to see. And yes with the experience that I have I really doubt anyone here is more knowledgeable in the field of law then I am. This is reflected in the posts some people have made. Alexander the great1 21:26, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


Recently a rash of pseudo-Hindu users have propped up on the map. These users have been masquerading as Hkelkar socks and seem to be assisted (or the same as) some anti-Hindu socks. Here are a list of users that are suspiciously new and way too knowledgeable on wikipolicy and which users to contact for their POV-feuds. These users should be blocked anyways, so I will not take spurious allegations of facilitating meat/socking by sympathizers of User:Rama's Arrow very lightly.Bakaman 03:04, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

This is a large scale impersonation, sock, and vandalism operation. These users are all masquerading as other people or attempting to shed their identities. Something dirtier than Hkelkar is afoot, and Hkelkar stopped socking (at the behest of AMbroodEY (talk · contribs)) several weeks ago.Bakaman 03:04, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

It's very simple. Genuine Kelkarsocks should be blocked under the terms of his ArbComm-issued ban. Ersatz Kelkarsocks should be blocked because they're only here to cause trouble. JFD 03:17, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
I agree that these accounts should be blocked. But see, right now Hkelkar (talk · contribs) is paying for a crime he did not commit. His excellency (talk · contribs) (arbcom on him right now I think) and Kuntan (talk · contribs) are getting away with impersonation. And Hkelkar's ban is reset under false pretenses, meaning he wont be back until next June instead of next May.Bakaman 03:46, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Actually, the block/ban is indefinite now. I have no opinion on this matter, but merely commenting on an inaccuracy in the above post. —Kurykh 03:52, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
That shouldn't be so... ArbCom doesn't allow for indefinite bans. Riana (talk) 06:47, 26 June 2007 (UTC) Never mind me, I seem to have missed some key discussion somewhere... Riana (talk) 06:54, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
It all depends... on how Kelkar behaves after the one year ban gets over. — Nearly Headless Nick {C} 10:31, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks Kurykh, I was not aware it was indef. The issue now is not about kelkar, but the people impersonating him.Bakaman 15:45, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Baka is correct. Especially when comparing Kathanar edits.--D-Boy 01:21, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Overzealous "linkspam" deletion[edit]

Requestion (talk · contribs) has been deleting all "External Links" entries on all pages that link to pages on, claiming that these are "linkspam". Alas, these links are typically to original source material and scholarly articles (typically concerning 19th Century American abolitionists) that are exactly what Wikipedia encourages people to use the "External Links" section of a page for. In response to complaints about these overzealous deletions, Requestion does not engage in honest give-and-take, but instead claims that his actions are justified based on discussions "at WPSPAM and COIN" (which may be true for all I know, but they certainly aren't justified by the current Wikipedia external links policy), obliquely threatens to have people who revert his deletions blocked, and leaves unjustified spam warning boilerplate on their talk pages. Requestion has also said, in frustration at these reversions, "I'm going to build a bot that will do the maintenance deletion automatically".

See, for instance, the Slavery in Massachusetts page.

This is harming dozens of Wikipedia pages by removing some very useful content of the sort that is encouraged by current Wikipedia guidelines. It seems difficult to correct using the normal peer editing and discussion of Wikipedia. And it threatens to become a greater problem if Requestion's already overzealous deletions become robotic. For these reasons, I raise this as an incident here. -Moorlock 03:10, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm a participant in this discussion, so not a neutral bystander, but I agree with Moorlock's summary. Requestion has left unjustified spam warnings and repeatedly failed to respond to substantive comments about the suitability of these links, and has been repeatedly reverting without discussion at numerous pages (e.g. tax resistance). -- Rbellin|Talk 03:23, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Per COI and SPAM policies once coordinating linkfarming has been detected, the proper procedure is to remove all the links and then see if the editors on the individual articles who are actually there to edit the article and not there just to promote a site restore them one by one for actual, honest to goodness encyclopedic reasons. A bot in this case would be extremely helpful. DreamGuy 04:35, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
I've left a message to this effect at User talk:Requestion. Chick Bowen 06:19, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
User:Rbellin and User:Moorlock have been blanket reverting my spam deletions. This is not a careful and considerate restoration of valuable links. The spam removal has been thoroughly discussed and sanctioned at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spam/2007 Archive and Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/ Next time I'm going to build a bot to handle this maintenance cleanup and avoid all this grief. (Requestion 20:23, 26 June 2007 (UTC))
That's my understanding of the spam policy as well. The question is what is appropriate behavior once disinterested editors have reviewed the deleted links and concluded that they do belong in the article. Continued threats of blocking, as though any disagreement with Requestion's opinion were equivalent to spamming, would seem not to be it. (There has been no discussion or attempt to communicate about the deletions, other than these threats, despite the numerous requests for clarification on User talk:Requestion.) -- Rbellin|Talk 18:58, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
And rather than participate in any further discussion of the deletions, Requestion has now left spam warning templates on both my and Moorlock's Talk pages. This seems completely out of line to me. -- Rbellin|Talk 19:39, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

The complaints here neglected to mention the Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/ and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spam/2007 Archive discussions. — Athaenara 21:13, 26 June 2007 (UTC) & 01:43, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

User:YK47 and Formula Rus[edit]

A couple of days ago I noticed the creation of four new pages. Formula Rus, 2007 Formula Rus season, Full formula specification, and Winners formula champioship (sic). All four pages were created by User:YK47. All four discuss the same Russian racing series, but the titles are clearly undescriptive and the text within them is, at best, broken English. I attempted to message YK47 to attempt to tell him how to fix things, but there has been no response.

All of the images on the pages, which were all uploaded by User:YK47 claiming that they were his own work, were actually taken from the Formula Rus official website ([59]), including technical drawings, CGI images, and cropped versions of publicity photos. I marked the ones that I could find copies of on the Formula Rus website and marked them for Speedy Delete.

However, today he has decided to upload nearly 50 some odd pictures, again from the Formula Rus website, and has literally turned 2007 Formula Rus season into a gallery for these pictures. Unregistered user has also done some editing to all four pages, and appears to either be YK47 or someone assisting YK47.

Due to his apparent lack of understand of English and the sheer number of pictures uploaded under an incorrect usage claim, I bring this here simply because I think someone higher up needs to help curb this as well as delete the large number of images, since it would create a huge backlog in Speedy Delete. The359 18:17, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

It is quite possible he is the administrator of the Formula Rus website and these are indeed his own pictures. -- Petri Krohn 23:53, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Unlikely, I'd say, even with Good Faith. He uploaded pictures of CGI models of the cars, engines, and other technical drawings claiming they were again his own work. Those were Speedy Deleted by an administrator when I pointed out that the photos were from the Formula Rus website. Unless he is a photographer, 3D modeler, engineer, and website administrator, there's no way every type of file he's uploaded could be his own. The359 00:02, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
For example, this technical 3D render is also claimed to be his own work. The359 00:08, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Small Problem two[edit]

Resolved: Not an appropriate problem for this page. EVula // talk // // 20:15, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Since I never really got a answer to my post I'm posting it again,Small Problem we have a small problem on Timeline of CGI in film and television where a editor and myself have different opinions on what is notable the editor will not go to dicussions explain his choices just say it in his edits. I have a large amount of knowledge and would like to make this page the page the best it can be. I do change the information when I am in fact wrong But there are somethings I think are notable that he erases when he reverts it. I would like to know how to deal with this wikipedian in a civilized matter.Marioman12 18:51, 25 June 2007 (UTC) Marioman12 19:57, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

This is not an appropriate problem for this page; what you're looking for is Wikipedia:Resolving disputes. EVula // talk // // 20:15, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


This person believes that the current wording of Wikipedia:Ignore all rules is bad because it can be used to justify any arbitrary, consensus-defying edit, so he/she decided to disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point by applying this interpretation to the policy page itself (in the form of a patently ridiculous edit previously performed by Kim Bruning as a joke). Not yet recognizing Rockstar915's motive, I reverted and posted a polite request on his/her talk page that he/she "please refrain from performing joke edits to policy pages." Rockstar915 once again vandalised the policy page, this time with the edit summary "if your shortsightedness stops you from maintaining or improving wikipedia, close your eyes." He/she then removed my request (with the edit summary "not a joke edit"), but immediately self-reverted and added a similar reply. I once again reverted the vandalism to the policy page and politely requested that Rockstar915 stop. On my talk page, he/she asked whether I'm "afraid of fun." On his/her own talk page, he/she claimed that Tony Sidaway and I were the ones who actually vandalised the policy page. He/she then