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Azerbaijan article edit warring/vandalism[edit]

Hi, I am new, and I hope I am posting this in the right place. I am wondering if the Azerbaijan article can be protected and a mediator added. Some users have aggressively edit warred, and even vandalized the page, making things up. There is almost nothing from those reverts on the talk page, and their edit summaries do not make sense. They have also taken the attack to wikimedia commons and other articles about my sourced information. Please see history, and also this comment I added on the talk: I see some users are bent to attack me and remove information about Azeri-German collaboration and the picture. I am reverting this, even though this is my 4rth time. As I understand wiki rules I read, we can revert more than 4 times if it is blatant vandalism, which I undertand it is. The Article on Germany is a featured article, and they show 3 images under WWII sections. So, what is wrong with this one having one for battle of Caucasus and another for Azeri collaboration. Also, why are they starting to put information about Armenians and Georgians in this article? Not only Soviet citizens but europeans like the Dutch served in SS and wermacht, should we mention all? If anything should be mentioned, it should be about Uzbek and Turkmen, who served under same unit. I also do not understand how the picture is not important when at least 18,000 to OVER 30,000 azeris served in the Armies, and participated in Warsaw Uprising to very significant level. I do not want to fight, so I reported to Administration about this, maybe they will help.Azizbekov 17:30, 7 August 2007 (UTC) For example, both users Parishan and Atabek blindly reverted on the article and then self reverted, before finding a reson to revert me. Clearly bad faith vandalism. Retrieved from "" Thank you to those who listen.Azizbekov 17:39, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

I have a strong suspicion that Azizbekov (talk · contribs) is a reincarnation of some banned user. He is very well familiar with Wikipedia editing for a newbie, and his contributions are basically limited to inserting the image of Azerbaijani volunteers in Nazi army to every article about Azerbaijan. The image has copyright issues, and I see no real point in canvassing the same info all over the articles about this country. I would like to ask the admins seriously investigate this user’s behavior. --Grandmaster 05:29, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Regardless of the status of the user, content disputes are not blatant vandalism. Vandalism doesn't mean "I really, really, really disagree with that edit." Seraphimblade Talk to me 05:33, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank Seraph, basically I removed that image from Azerbaijan article page, seeying strong disagreement. I never deny that I never editted wiki before, but I have been anonymous. neither is my contribution limited to collaboration of wermacht. It is my main interest for now, but I cant write about it forever can I? I have other interests too. Azizbekov 05:47, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I would like to ask for independent review of situation at Azeri Waffen SS Volunteer Formations. Azizbekov adds dubious info to the article such as this:
First they took part in massacre of 50,000 civilians in the Wola massacre, then moved to the Old Town (another 5,000 sick and wounded murdered after the Polish forces withdrew from the area, the remaining 35,000 being sent to concentration camps) and then to Czerniaków and Powiśle - along the Vistula.
and fails to support it with any reliable source. Moreover, he reverts any attempts to request a source or remove unsupported claims from the article and makes personal attacks on other users: [1] --Grandmaster 06:19, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

That image was removed from the article Azerbaijan by users Kober [2] and Pejman47 [3], among others, for the same reason. However Azizbekov has only reported Atabek and myself, i.e. users that mostly contribute to Azerbaijan-related articles. I see an obvious culture/ethnicity-driven decision here. Parishan 09:02, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I'd like to draw Admins' attention to unacceptable behavior of Azizbekov (talk · contribs), who has made two personal attack now.

Please see his insulting use of language in edit summary [4]. He refuses to provide a source for a specific part of the article, and when requested to do so, keeps using aggresive and insulting language. (!) Ehud 05:34, 9 August 2007 (UTC)


User:Concerned2030 has been single-handedly reverting all negative edits to the Young Republicans page to eliminate any reference to former chairman Glenn Murphy's breaking sex scandal. Despite all efforts to the contrary, he has repeatedly violated 3RR, and nothing short of blocking will stop him. The YR page is the only page to which this account has edited; it is a single-purpose account, likely one of Murphy's friends trying to protect his reputation. Requesting at least a 48 hour block. Anthony Hit me up... 19:31, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Hasn't made any edits since being warned.-Wafulz 19:38, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Additionally, the nature of the edits you are making to the article raises BLP questions, AND putting warning comments to another user in comments in the article text as you all did is inappropriate. Please stop yourselves until we have a chance to review this. Georgewilliamherbert 19:43, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
I've removed the "Scandal" section. Huge WP:BLP issues considering that these are still just allegations and nothing has been proven.-Wafulz

SPAM Account[edit]

Ok, there is a new user out there that is exclusively a spam account Joe12811's edits. He is adding the same text to every article on Catholicism that he can. And according to his first edit, where he uploaded a picture, he is affiliated with the authors he is posting about. The good news is that at 19:32 I posted a SPAM warning on his talk page and his last edit was at 19:31. So it appears that he stopped when he was warned about spamming. The problem is that he's been adding his spam for over an hour---thus he has about 30+ pages that need to be reverted. I was wondering if Admins had a tool to undo the edits of SPAM/Vandal only accounts? Or do we have to make the reversions manually?Balloonman 19:44, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, we have our rods of iron to break edits into pieces like potter's vessels; we have tsunamis, tempests, torrents, thunderstorms; we have the undying flame that floods cannot put out, and the Cyclopian thunderbolts of Olympus. We also have the rollback button. Duly reverted. Thanks for the report. Cheers, Moreschi Talk 19:54, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
indef blocked as a spam-only account.
In the future, please make reports like this Over Here, not on ANI. Georgewilliamherbert 19:55, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Actually I made it here because he had stopped posting spam after the first warning, thus didn't feel as if he necessarily needed to be blocked (although I was waiting for him to post more after the I posted the first warning.) My question, was thus on wether or not Admins had a tool to do what I did manually with a push of a button (or two.)Balloonman 19:58, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
I don't believe there exists any tool with which one can revert all of the contributions, or even a selected subset of contributions, of a given editor all at once. Joe 20:33, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Actually, I think there is, tucked away in Voice of All's script collection. Cheers, Moreschi Talk 20:37, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Wow, I stand corrected. That's pretty nifty. Joe 05:06, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
As an addendum; They contacted me in email and were very reasonable, after some discussions about the spam policies and COI policies and such I unblocked earlier this afternoon. Assuming good faith for the time being. Georgewilliamherbert 00:57, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
That works perfectly well for me... as the person had stopped spamming after being warned. Like I said above, my purpose wasn't to get the person banned/blocked, but rather to find out if there was an easier way to revert 30-40 edits they had made than to do so individually.Balloonman 01:07, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Disruption (at commons) by Malber[edit]

Malber (talk · contribs) is making semi-legal threats. User is also mass removing copyright tags of images he uploaded. he is trying to revoke the free licenses he placed. I hence request community assistance and coordination in dealing with this. -- Cat chi? 20:42, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Can't you request deletion of things you uploaded? Is this really an issue we have any control over? Grandmasterka 20:48, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
You cannot nominate self uploads like that so long as they are freely licensed. -- Cat chi? 20:50, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Okay, but that doesn't change the fact that this is only happening on Commons. What do you expect us to do? Grandmasterka 20:52, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
You can request anything, but there's no requirement that your request be honoured. We generally let authors delete their own stuff because it's usually a sensible request - but we're not oblidged to delete images he's released under a free license, and can legally use them as much as we like. WilyD 20:54, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
If this is happening at Commons you need to report it there (and I'm assuming that is the case as he appears to be blocked here)... nothing admins can do about Commons unless they are admins there as well.--Isotope23 talk 20:56, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Now I'm completely confused as Cat is a commons admin... is Malber (talk · contribs) somehow being disruptive at as well?--Isotope23 talk 20:59, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Well, he's carrying on at his talk page, but as he's currently blocked, that's about it for en-wiki. MastCell Talk 21:04, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
He threatened to cause "slow paced" disruption. I wanted to notify the community and admins about it. This is a noticeboard after all. :P -- Cat chi? 06:06, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
This is the English Wikipedia. We (generally) have no say as to what goes on at the commons. There's somewhere else to discuss his actions.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 06:10, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Return of a sock abuser[edit]


Can someone block Local667forOb (talk · contribs)? I submitted a RFCU for the user as a suspected sockpuppet of Dereks1x (talk · contribs), who was community banned earlier this year, and the RFCU came back likely, even possible.[5] Dereks1x edits out of a dynamic IP range and because of that is the best that RFCU can get. Diffs and what not can be presented if anyone needs extra evidence to get them over the possible bump. Dereks1x and his socks have shown an unnatural interest in tendentiously editing the Barack Obama article and Local667forOb has picked right up where his 25 previous socks have left off.--Bobblehead (rants) 21:00, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I've compared his behavior with that of a user in the sockpuppet category and they would definitely appear to be the same person. This and the checkuser result convince me it's a sockpuppet, so I have blocked the account. Picaroon (t) 21:39, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Sweet. Thanks! --Bobblehead (rants) 21:44, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Just wanted to pop my head in and note that, given my experience with this batch of puppets, I agree that this is a sock and endorse the block. · jersyko talk 21:45, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Ditto. Thank you. Tvoz |talk 00:32, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Confirmed sockpuppeteer needs block[edit]

Resolved: Sockpuppet blocked.

At User talk:The Behnam#FYI..., Jpgordon informed me that Hayden5650 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log) is indeed the same as Nordic Crusader (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log), who was indefinitely blocked for very racist editing (see his talk page and contribs). As may be expected, we have been getting the same kind of racist disruption from Hayden5650, even to the extent that Dbachmann needed to remove it from the talk page [6]. Seeing Hayden's block log, he has been trouble all along.

Considering these violations, I am going to be straightforward and ask that the indefinite block please be extended to Hayden's main account. Hopefully this will make editing at already difficult articles a bit easier. Many thanks in advance. The Behnam 21:04, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Given the history of disruption and the clear evidence that this is a sock of an indefinitely blocked disruptive user, I've blocked Hayden indefinitely. MastCell Talk 21:11, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Other pages to watch include Negroid and Caucasoid. New socks should be easy to spot. --Asteriontalk 21:14, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Technically, Nordic Crusader was yet another sockpuppet of Hayden (the earlier account), so Nordic Crusader should be marked as Hayden's sock (instead of Hayden being a sock of NC). Of course the indefinite block is still legitimate, but perhaps the tags need to be reversed. The Behnam 02:46, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
I've switched tags appropriately. The Behnam 05:29, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Bee Cliff River Slob Part 3[edit]

Per above, this editor has been trying to shoehorn information about NN and irrelevant people into radio station articles. User:Neutralhomer is a radio station article editor and has also been trying to make this editor see sense, but is being ignored (and his warnings blanked).

I asked him two days ago to cut down on the irrelevant info via WP:COATRACK, and was told to "stop spinning essays as Wiki policy". He then re-inserted the information. I then explained the points in more detail and was told that "That was perhaps the goofiest statement that I have ever read on any Wiki". I have replied in a reasonable tone [7], but this editor seriously doesn't want to conform to policy. I am going on holiday tomorrow, but have asked NeutralHomer to post any continuing problems here. ELIMINATORJR 21:58, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Just a note: User:Phaedriel is keeping an eye on this as well, per my request for help to her talk page last night. She said she will keep an eye on things while User:EliminatorJR is on vacation, as will I. Take Care....NeutralHomer T:C 00:43, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

PEAR pages[edit]

PEAR (talk · contribs) has been attempting to bury his talk archives through a bunch of page moves, speedy deletion tagging and other attempts to game the system. Based on his move log, he first moved the talk page to User talk:PEAR/Archive, then to User talk:PEAR/Archive 1, from there to User:PEAR/talkheader, and finally to Crazy (Alex Gilbert song). Along the way he tried tagging the page for speedy deletion which was declined.

But the icing on the cake was when he moved it to Crazy, then created an article over his archive, then nominated said article for deletion, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Crazy (Alex Gilbert song). He admitted in the AFD that this was nothing more than an attempt to game the system. I've moved the page back to User talk:PEAR/Archive 1 and reverted prior to some of the nonsense he did there. Any thoughts on how to handle this from here or something to do differently? Thanks, Metros 22:01, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

One thing you didn't do was to protect the page so that he couldn't do it again. I've done that. I'm also going to protect his talk page from moves by non admins. He'll have to archive by cutting and pasting from now on. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 22:45, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Oh, good call! I didn't even think to implement move protection. Thanks for following up with that. Metros 22:48, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Actaully on closer inspection, he's trolling stupidly at the moment and has been doing so for ages. I therefore indefblocked the account to DENY him further recognition. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 23:03, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Phew! SqueakBox 23:07, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Wow, I was wondering where this was going this morning. I shoulda paid more close attention. Georgewilliamherbert 00:55, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

User: subtle vandalism[edit]

User: has persistently vandalized numerous articles and then reverted them himself, presumably in an attempt to leave the vandalism in the article's history. The ip address has been blocked in the past. Could an admin please take a look.[8] Thanks.Tbo 157talk 23:46, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

by "numerous" you mean three? Probably just playing about. Why would someone care about having vandalism in the article history? I don't think we need to do anything here. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 23:59, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
IIRC, isn't there a warning template specifically for self-reverting vandals? Someguy1221 00:01, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Sorry about the wording, I meant a few. Thanks. Tbo 157talk 00:08, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Serial insertion and re-insertion of linkspamming of article Textbook by varied accounts[edit]

This article is prone to linkspamming, so I watch it. Thrice in the past few hours, linkspam for a particular company has been inserted in the article. Each time, I've reverted; each time, my reversion has been reverted, either by an anonymous editor or by a new account with no other contribs. I don't know where to report this, but thought I should do so just to be on the safe side, even though reversion of vandalism isn't a 3RR violation. --Orange Mike 01:05, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Copy vio?[edit]

The article Sinagogue of Satan was just recently created, and instantly included quite a bit of content. I think it may be a copy-vio of the book it links to, not to mention failing WP:N. A cursory Google search provided nil RS. I think an emergency blanking may be in order. VanTucky (talk) 01:17, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

It also seems to possibly have been written by a sockpuppet of User:Rev. Michael S. Margolin, or a member of the organization, which would obviously be COI. VanTucky (talk) 01:19, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh, seems it has been deleted before. Looks like it needs salting to me... VanTucky (talk) 01:28, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Administrator undeletion without appeal to DRV[edit]

User:Matt Crypto has unilaterally decided to undelete Christianity Explored without going through the deletion review process. I think that this may be something of an abuse of the mop and bucket. What do others think? --Nondistinguished 11:57, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I re-deleted the article and left him a note here. Hopefully he won't wheel war and he will take it to DRV. ^demon[omg plz] 12:12, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Matt was quite clear why he undeleted the article. He has a point, although he didn't go through the proper motions to get the article undeleted. No need to immediately cry admin abuse, though.--Atlan (talk) 14:13, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Note that WP:DP says: "If a page was obviously deleted "out of process" (per this policy), then an admin may choose to undelete it immediately. In such a case, the admin who deleted the page should be informed." Now whether this provision applies in this case might be debated, and I think it is often unwise to invoke this even when it could apply. But not all undeltions of speedy deletions need go through WP:DRV. DES (talk) 18:04, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
I have reveiwed the article as it ws before the latest deletion, and as it was when deleted by AfD back in 2005. I don't think it qualifies as a G4 speedy -- i thinmk it is not "substantially identical to the deleted version". I have asked User:^demon to consider undeleting, unless he would prefer that the matter be discussed on DRV. DES (talk) 18:24, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Complicated case, but I hope those reading this realize that administrators should not be going around undeleting articles without being careful in their research of the issues surrounding it. Matt may have been clear on the talkpage as to why he wanted to see the article undeleted, but DRV should be followed to preserve the integrity of the actions of Wikipedians who do not have the mop and bucket, but still have the best interests of the project in mind. In particular, I proposed this article for speedy deletion when I began constructing an AfD for it and realized in the process that it had already gone through one! There are two related deletion debates which took place with respect to this article: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tim Thornborough and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Good Book Company both of which resulted in deletion. In any case, I made a comment beneath User:DESiegel's comment on User talk:^demon to this effect. In short, both Matt and DES did not look into the matter as thoroughly as possible when making their independent determinations that the deletion was improper. This is why DRV is so important. Any other Wikipedian who wanted to see content reinstated would have to go through DRV. Administrators shouldn't be given a free pass to undelete content without asking for community input after a non-administrator took time to make a good-faith tagging of an article. --Nondistinguished 05:47, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Just because it was tagged in good faith doesn't mean it's acceptable for the deleting admin to act on it without investigating stuff that the non-administrator who tagged it would not have known (such as, whether the content of the previously-deleted version is the same). A lot of people don't understand G4, and even when they do, they have no way of finding out for sure whether it applies without being an admin. Regardless of the tagging being in good faith, if it was nevertheless incorrect the article should NOT have been deleted. Even if any other user would have to go through DRV, such a DRV should be resolved as a _speedy_ overturn if in fact the only basis for deletion was an invalid G4. Undelete it and take it to AFD, it's not appropriate to turn DRV into "AFD lite". --Random832 11:40, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Problems with original research from Rktect[edit]

I've just posted a note on Rktect (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log)'s talk page about violation of WP:NOR. This user is adding a lot of detailed, unsourced material to articles about ancient places mentioned in the Bible, and has been doing so for some time. There has been a recent RFC on this user, but it hasn't moved anywhere. When this user writes a response on the article talk pages, it is clear that there is no real knowledge or expertise in Semitic languages or ancient history. This user has had a previous ArbCom ruling against him for doing this in a different area of the project. I don't really want to get bogged down in an ArbCom case, so I would like to know other users' thoughts and ask others to keep an eye on Rktect. — Gareth Hughes 17:01, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

He's doing similar things in global warming, e.g., here where he uses a source that included an explicit qualifier that it should not be used as a source. He's also filling the talk page with off topic rambling about the Spanish-American War, the CIA, and so on. Raymond Arritt 18:22, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
We've had similar problems in past weeks on a number of entries about regions or events related to the bible. TewfikTalk 19:02, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
It seems like this is an ongoing problem. I just gave this user another block for re-adding nonsense after being warned to discuss first. — Gareth Hughes 23:21, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
I cannot believe this guy is back on Wikipedia, he is an absolute bane. I thought this guy had left after his Arbitration case which also involved him constantly spouting his original research. That time, he kept on claiming that all weights and measures were descended from Ancient Egypt, such as the word acre coming from Aker (god). See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rope stretcher and User:Federal Street for other crap he's caused. This guy is not good for Wikipedia. - hahnchen 23:33, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
If this user appears to be broadening out original research into other areas, would it be possible for the old case to be re-opened and broadened to cover the issue? — Gareth Hughes 14:36, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
You could try referring it to WP:CN if it is clear cut, or contact an arbitrator to see if they will request a motion on the prior case that the previous restrictions be broadened to deal with his current behavior. I don't know much about how ARBCOM determines when to extend sanctions, but a member of the committee or perhaps one of the clerks could give you more information on that.--Isotope23 talk 14:41, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

List of Ministers of the Universal Life Church[edit] (talk · contribs) continues to add a non-notable, and non-verified person to the list. GreenJoe 22:11, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

  • User was warned. I'll keep an eye on the article, if it continues I'll place a temp block or semiprotect the article. Bjelleklang - talk Bug Me 22:34, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Well, I'm notable. Can someone add me to the list? Or do I have to find my card first? But seriously, even notable people shouldn't be listed without a citation to a reliable source. I'd recommend fact tags or removals for all of them. Dicklyon 23:17, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
See the debate started here for that issue. But basically, even lists have to indicate the notability of their entries. Bjelleklang - talk Bug Me 12:50, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Personal attacks[edit]

Baseball Bugs (talk · contribs) has been leveling personal attacks against other editors in the past few days despite multiple warnings.[9](Diff includes multiple posts) He attempts to justify some of them with the reasoning that "it is not possible to 'personally' attack an anonymous IP address."[10][11] Even if that logic made sense, he also abuses registered editors by calling them lazy[12] and idiots.[13] He even admits to making personal attacks in the same sentence that he makes another one.[14] Although his talk page claims that he is currently blocked,[15] this tag is deceptive because it's self-imposed[16]. He admitted that he may not be able to resist coming back until after he cools down.[17] Could somebody talk to him about this abusive pattern, remind him that there really are people behind the IP addresses, and that personal attacks against any editor are not justified by his own bias against non-registered users? 03:46, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

 Done - blocked 48 hours for NPA by User:Chairboy - Alison 04:20, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately, he's still at it on his talk page. He persists in calling editors lazy and nobodies from nowhere. As an real person who exists in a real location, I find it denigrating. 04:56, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Well then grow a thicker skin. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 09:22, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Um, okay. I gather by that response that it's okay to call editors lazy and nobodies. Good information to have. 10:05, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
No, it's not okay. But he's already blocked, so there's hardly anything that can be done... Just some advice, but if he is causing you trouble, just ignore him. --DarkFalls talk 10:14, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

User: changing votes and other content on AfD[edit]

User: (also believed to be User:Typeone9) is changing votes and other comments on the AfD for Ross Quinn. The user also blanked the AfD discussion page and has repeatedly removed the AfD notice from Ross Quinn. 12:05, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I've given a final warning and will block if necessary. Kusma (talk) 12:10, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Geraldunc vandal - originally reported at Wikipedia:Help desk by Calbear22 (talk · contribs)[edit]

I tried to report this vandal on the Wikipedia section concerning reporting to an administrator several times. Could someone please take care of this for me? I've been trying to get this resolved for the last several hours but it hasn't work. Thanks.

The problem[edit]

Geraldunc (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log) does not understand the rules governing Wikipedia concerning sourced information and vandalism. He has repeatedly vandalized the Don Perata article. The user deleted information that was provided by other contributors and sources and replaced that information with an unsourced argument (revisions on 07:27, 24 July 2007 and 07:34, 24 July 2007). On July 29, 2007, I removed the unsourced information and posted an explanation on the Don Perata talk page and on the user's talk page. Garaldunc proceeded to again remove sourced information and sources from the article and replaced the information with unsourced material (05:25, 7 August 2007, 05:36, 7 August 2007, 05:37, 7 August 2007). I tagged Garaldunc's changes as vandalism and reverted the page back to its previous version (05:46, 8 August 2007, 05:48, 8 August 2007, 05:48, 8 August 2007). I explained my actions on the Don Perata talk page (17:53, 8 August 2007) and warned Geraldunc on his talk page (06:01, 8 August 2007). Then, Geraldunc again vandalized the Don Perata article (21:48, 8 August 2007). He used information I provided on my User page to find my personal email address (which is not listed on my user profile). He sent me the following threatening email:

"YOU are the one who is printing unsubstantiated "storis. EBE has repeatedly printed unverified, undocumented, non-sourced crap about Perata and I have to assume by continuing this crap YOU are part of Bobbie's world - his boyfriend perhaps. The most recent story - about Perata's "lavish lifestyle" is so misleading it is basically a lie - for you college boys, that's called "Libel" in legal circles. Are you two so stupid you don't realize the expenditures listed were for FUNDRAISERS??? I notice in listing those thousand dollar dinners, nowhere in there did Bobbie Gagmee point out there were, for example, dozens of people dining - most of whom paid for the evening. Obviously you have never run a successful non-profit and held a fundraiser. Obviously you have never run a successful political campaign. It takes money, it takes events, it takes relationships. So if YOU continue to fuck with the Perata Wikipedia listing, I'll not only have you banned, I'll have you sued. Thanks for giving me your real name. Nothing that I put in that post was UNTRUE - Bobbie has a history of writing slanted stories about Perata. That is TRUE and verifiable. Bobbie has never listed a single named source for his allegations against Perata - that is TRUE and verifiable. Bobbie has thrown Perata's name into any story about any Eastbay political figure even if it meant reaching back to Perata having met the person 10 years ago - that is TRUE and it's verifiable. You have NOTHING verified, yours is simply a repeat of insinuations. But enough about Perata. I think it's time to post Wikis on you and your boyfriend. You poor pathetic little nobody. God, it gets old having to hear from losers like you who have nothing beside their name except blog credits and the fact they're still in school and living with their mommies."

I admit that the East Bay Express isn't the SF Chronicle. Some of his arguments might be valid but without verification of those arguments and combined with the vandalism of his actions in general (deleting sources, sources information, etc.) this user needs to be blocked. Although the user needs to be blocked and was very disrespectful to me, I will try to address his criticism.

Summary by Shalom Hello[edit]

Calbear22 claims that Geraldunc, after revert warring on the Don Perata article, sent him an email containing an explicit legal threat. Though I have not seen the original copy of this email, I consider the claim credible, and I would support blocking Geraldunc based on the allegation. (Not being an admin, I cannot do this myself.) Shalom Hello 13:31, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Except that if he does not know the rules regarding OR and vandalism, he probably did not know the rules about legal threats. --SevenOfDiamonds 13:41, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

LinkSPAM binge by Dinnermoney[edit]

Dinnermoney, a newbie, seems to be on a rampant binge of posting to any article he can think of the most tenuous excuse to post it to (I fully expect it to pop up on Running of the Bulls any minute :o) ). I think he means well, I have warned him gently, but he needs watching. --Zeraeph 14:29, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

The topics are fairly "sensible" for lack of a better word. Either way, there is related discussion here: WP:NCHD#No edit button on page. x42bn6 Talk Mess 17:21, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Legal threat, Speditor[edit]

I'm not quite sure how to handle this situation. An anonymous editor left what appears to be a fairly straight-forward legal threat on my talk page, see here. This same threat was left on User talk:Speditor. The problem here is that Speditor did wilfully violate our privacy policy. Furthermore, the anonymous user seems to be requesting that comments be removed from User talk:Speditor but I see nothing there that needs review. I have not yet had my morning coffee, though, and am therefore not functioning well. Could someone else take a gander and see what's what? --Yamla 14:59, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I've warned the user in question ( using {{Uw-legal}} - it tells them to take the matter to disupute resolution if necessary. Talk pages are not the place to get these things changed, whether there's anything wrong or not. For the record, the IP's complaint seems to be not so much the content of the User talk:Speditor talk page itself, but the difs it links to (and possibly other elements of Speditor's contribution history). Waggers 15:09, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
The closest thing to defamatory material on that talk page now is stuff left on it by the IP claiming to be the defamed party! (He/she seems to be demanding that offensive stuff be purged from the edit history as well as the talk page itself.) --Orange Mike 15:21, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Speditor (talk · contribs) is blocked, the anon has been warned about legal threats, and if he/she wants to pursue WP:OVERSIGHT, point them in the direction of the Foundation email or Cary Bass. I'd say that about wraps it up.--Isotope23 talk 15:23, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
I deleted the versions in question at Talk:Sturgis Charter Public School, if anyone disagree please let me know. Bjelleklang - talk Bug Me 15:28, 9 August 2007 (UTC)


I'm not trying to be rude, but this is still not even close to being "resolved":

THESE REFERENCES TO MY NAME MUST MUST MUST BE DELETED. Wikipedia users have a right to be anonymous.

EXACTLY. The references to my name need to be deleted from the talk history. This is a violation of my privacy.


You provided us a link to an edit where no names are mentioned. What are you talking about? --Orange Mike 16:28, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Please post which specific edit you are talking about. Also note that "a high school dropout" does not mention you by name and thus would, I think, not be eligible for oversight (that is, removal from the history). However, any edits that do specifically mention you by name would be eligible. --Yamla 16:41, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
I think he wants the name "Bissonnette" removed.Sarah 16:50, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
I suggest the individual contact WP:OVERSIGHT via email. There are too many subsequent edits to make a delete/restore workable for removing the information.--Isotope23 talk 17:00, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
As for the diff mentioned, seems I've somehow gotten an edit conflict without being warned of this. Bjelleklang - talk Bug Me 17:10, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Diemacher, Sox23 and Spirit Airlines[edit]

Yesterday at WP:AIV I blocked Diemacher for what appeared to be continual vandalism of Spirit Airlines. Diemacher contacted me via email and stated that it was he who was trying to fix the articles (he states that he is a member of the company and has given me a phone number, which I have not called). Either way, as can be seen from Spirit Airlines history these two users have just been reverting and warring over it. Diemacher has been blocked even after I unblocked him the first time so he could pursue mediation (which he either decided not to do or was blocked right before he could); I have also blocked Sox23 for a short period for violating the 3RR repeatedly, and protected the article. Diemacher has in the meantime been threatening legal action, or that at the very least he would like the article taken down if such erroneous info is kept. (phone is 954-447-7930, guess I'll try that now and confirm.) David Fuchs (talk) 15:40, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

User talk:Rlest[edit]

I know the page was left unprotected to allow Rlest to make any more rebuttal comments, but he has since returned only to reintroduce the personal attacks that were removed. I've protected the page. Figured I'd start a thread so people can comment on the situation if they need to. Leebo T/C 16:06, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Proposal to block BIGCANDICEFAN[edit]

Now, I'm not just picking on BIGCANDICEFAN, but this user has some very obvious alternate accounts, some of which have also posted on Talk:Candice_Michelle. As was stated on Deep Shadow's talk page, this user lurks about, edits pages about wrestlers, starts big flame wars, then just leaves, then comes back under a new account and repeats the cycle. Alot of his alternate accounts have something to do with Candice Michelle. So I'm proposing we block him, do a Checkuser, block any alternates and maybe block his IP for a bit. He's lashed out at me and several other users. Please forgive me if he's already been blocked, I haven't thoroughly checked the Block Logs and I'm relatively new to editing Wikipedia, although I am a regular Wikia user — Preceding unsigned comment added by Падший ангел (talkcontribs) 06:35, August 8, 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps you should post this under suspected sock puppets aswell. James Luftan contribs 02:39, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Image file misuse[edit]

It has come to my attention that the users of an anonymous message board for sharing ebooks has come up with the idea of using Wikipedia as a clandestine permanent host for files containing the complete text of copyrighted books. A common practice on anonymous imageboards that only allow posting of images is to share non-image files by compressing them as RAR archives and concatenating them with an image file. The result is an image file that displays like any other, but which can also be opened in most RAR software to extract whatever file it contains (in the case of ebooks, a text file, PDF or similar). So far, I have tracked three occurrences of this, all uploaded by one user:

Note the sudden jump in file size from the versions that have been replaced, due to the appended RAR files. If you save the full-resolution versions of any of these files and open them in a RAR program (you may have to change the extension from .jpg to .rar), you will find the complete text of each book concealed within the file as plain text files or PDF. 09:50, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

That's... very bizarre. I've checked all three, and when treated as RAR archives they do contain either PDF or TXT files that appear to me to be copyright violations. Will delete them all in a moment. Thanks for bringing this to our attention. As for what we do about it in the longer term, I'm less certain about that. – Luna Santin (talk) 09:58, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
You could poke someone with toolserver access to do a database query matching image file uploads (for the same image) with a difference in file sizes between one upload and the next over a certain threshold. --Iamunknown 19:58, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
We've got a developer and several people with toolserver access scouring the database as we speak. :) ~Kylu (u|t) 00:16, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

The user's entire talk page is a collection of vandalism warnings and copyvio notices, do the dunno response is unconvincing. I've placed a one week edit block on the account without prejudice: feel free to unblock if an explanation is forthcoming that holds water. DurovaCharge! 23:30, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

The images in question have been reverted to earlier, clean versions (thanks Luna!) and our developers have scanned the database for similar files. Files located that contain warez will be reverted and deleted and the uploaders blocked. There will be consequences and repercussions! Also, try to take it easy on the EXIF data, guys. Really, 5 megs of EXIF data for a 50x50 pixel image? Eesh. Thanks! ~Kylu (u|t) 04:45, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
In case anyone did think there was modicum of plausibility to the "I didn't know officer" excuse, I was only led to those particular files by the fact that the user was bragging about what titles he had already uploaded on the imageboard where this idea was suggested ([18]). Of course, their idea was fatally flawed to begin with, relying as it would on keeping a list of what titles had been secreted on Wikipedia (perhaps they think Wikipedians don't venture onto the rest of the internet?). Anyway, it's moot now if the developers have come up with a way to spot concealed files, either by flagging incongruent file sizes or by scanning the files for the header structure of RAR or ZIP archives. Out of curiosity, and I realize you might not be able to answer this, were there many other files similarly concealed on Wikipedia? 09:12, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Not to give too much away, but at the moment there's a bot searching for rar'd files, and we're implementing some routines to make sure there's not overly much extraneous data in uploads. Off the top of my head, I can recall a couple mp3's and one rather small file (which should've been under 10k) that contained 50MB of game textures. ~Kylu (u|t) 13:55, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Hm. Well, it's good to know I've raised awareness of this potential avenue of abuse and, all being well, prompted the boffins into closing it off too. 14:30, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Yep, damn good catch there 217.--Isotope23 talk 14:35, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
I've given 217 a barnstar. Who says IPs can't receive them too? Props go where they're deserved. Keep up the good work. DurovaCharge! 19:30, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Nick (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)[edit]

I don't like to call admins "rogue", but this certainly needs further attention. Lately, Nick has been threatening to block established users reporting usernames violations to UAA because they were "erroneous". A user requested an explanation, and then Nick gave a nasty reply [19]. I politely told him to calm down and stop the threatening. He then removed the thread, I reverted, asking for an explanation, and then he blanked the thread once again calling me a troll. I told him to stop, he reverted me, and then protected his talk page. This needs to stop. --Boricuaeddie 01:17, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, that's clearly unacceptable. I expect complaints that you haven't done enough to protect him from trolls to follow within the hour. -Amarkov moo! 01:20, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
I agree that threatening to block people is unacceptable. However I have to say that, reinserting a message that a user has blanked is unlikely to help! Theresa Knott | The otter sank 01:24, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
While the behavior in question is slightly distressing, the full-protection of his talk page is definitely not acceptable. Admins need to be open for discussion, given the many actions they are able to do which may confuse, or be disputed by non-admin users. --Haemo 01:25, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
He has already unprotected it. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 01:29, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
There is a crusade to overhaul WP:UAA. I'm all for it if folks are getting upset but there are three or four admins that are being downright obnoxious about it all. —Wknight94 (talk) 01:28, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

As I've said many times today, users filing inaccurate reports on the WP:UAA noticeboard, completely without following policy, are costing Wikipedia tens to hundreds of potentially good editors every week. If users will not follow policy on a process which has a tremendous impact on new users (and indeed, may be their first experience of Wikipedia) then preventative measures need to be taken against users who refuse or simply are unable to follow the letter (and spirit) of our username policy. Blocking a user is never something I take lightly, despite the protestations from the above user. Nick 01:30, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I have no problem with blocking users that do not follow policy. I have a problem with the fact that your not assuming good faith and attacking users by uncivilly telling them that their reports are wrong and calling me a troll. --Boricuaeddie 01:33, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm Sorry Nick but your argumrnt doesn't hold up. 'Reporting a username does not bite a newbie. An admin blocking it innapropriately certaily does. Is there a problem with the admins? Theresa Knott | The otter sank 01:37, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Theresa hits the nail on the head here. The whole point of UAA as a system is to avoid new users being hastled when their username is actually fine. All that happens if a valid username is reported is that admin removes it from UAA - they can follow up with the reporter if necessary. That way new users with valid names aren't bitten. It only causes problems if admins are actually blocking usernames that aren't violations. But that would be an issue with those individual admins, not with the reporters or the system... WjBscribe 01:44, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Reporting is the first step. If a report is made and the user knows nothing about it, there's not a problem, it's when they're templated and told "I think your username might not be comply with our policies". That causes the problems. Who here would have stayed around if they saw that on their talk page after just a couple of minutes here. How many users can't even find their way through to the discussion page. It's a big problem. Admins are probably being careless in blocking too many of the reports too, but that's a little more difficult to determine, how many username blocks originate from WP:UAA would need a little research, as indeed, would the number of editors templated to see how many edited afterwards. Nick 01:50, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
This is slightly off-topic, but... That's an interesting viewpoint. Mainly because User:Rspeer at UAA talk says everyone should be templated first, and that that's the less bitey way. Grandmasterka 01:57, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
By the way, the policy says nothing about discussing with the user first in all cases. The person who says "I don't need to read the policy, I just need common sense" will be whacked with a Cluestick until they regain the common sense they claim to have. -Amarkov moo! 01:37, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
(ec*2) Well the crusade at WP:UAA is starting to sour established users on Wikipedia. I can't imagine that's any better than souring new users on Wikipedia. —Wknight94 (talk) 01:39, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
(edit conflict x 4)Nick there really is no need to warn a user so severely for posting a username in good faith on that board. The user you warned warned has not really caused any disruption at that board and mostly been posting usernames with no malice detectable. But Theresa is quite right about reinserting the talk page items in a pushy manner, which I can understand would cause you some stress and annoyance. Still Nick these actions are a bit harsh and bite-ish in all do respect.¤~Persian Poet Gal (talk) 01:40, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
(ec) Threatening to block a user for making a single erroneous report seems more than a little bit extreme. --Haemo 01:42, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
The threat of a block probably was a bit pointy-ish in all fairness. Nick 02:01, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
(ec)I can't believe this. The discussion was still open and he was constantly removing them without intention of archiving it. What was I supposed to do? --Boricuaeddie 01:42, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
FYI, my actions are justified. WP:TALK#Others.27_comments says you should not remove other's comments without a good reason. He removed my comments without a reason and then called me a troll. That's not exactly good. --Boricuaeddie 01:45, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Indeed that's not good. That doesn't mean that reverting is the correct course of action. You should have brought it up here first, instead of just reverting him. -Amarkov moo! 01:46, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
I believe in discussion before reporting someone here. If the problem can be solved without posting it here, then it should. --Boricuaeddie 01:47, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Well, WP:TALK is meant mainly for article talk pages, and is applied more loosely to user talk pages. It wasn't exactly civil of him, but it's not a clear violation, given the latitude users have on their own talk pages. I would have probably just started another thread, rather than reverting. --Haemo 01:48, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
I understand that I shouldn't have reverted him, but that's no reason to call me a troll and protect his page. --Boricuaeddie 02:02, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Of course not. Nobody is saying that it does. -Amarkov moo! 02:04, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Having been a recipient of Nick's "pointy-ish" threats of blocks and one actual block, I agree that his threats of blocks and actual block were discouraging. Established presences here seem to get a lot of leeway on the expectation of civility and requirement to assume good faith. David in DC 02:15, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Whether Nick was right or not in what he did, Boricuaeddie was totally out of line. I quote Thatcher from not-too-long-ago below:-

Please be advised that under the user page policy, "Policy does not prohibit users from removing comments from their own talk pages, though archiving is preferred. Please note, though, that the removal of good-faith warnings, even though permitted, is often frowned upon." Also, following much discussion, particularly Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/Removing warnings, there is no consensus that removing even legitimate warnings from one's own talk page is vandalism. Obviously if removal of legitimate vandal warnings is permitted then the removal of unwelcome discussion is also permitted. The broad consensus among admins is that we will not block a user for violating 3RR on his own talk page or for removing warnings, but we will, if necessary, block users who violate 3RR on another editor's talk page or who harass that editor with continued discussion when discussion is unwanted ... since every editor has broad discretion over his or her own user and user talk pages, I suggest you stop [reverting the message back in].

To that, I agree 100%, and I would suggest that Boricuaeddie never does anything like what he did on User talk:Nick again or he may find himself blocked for harassment and/or edit warring. Daniel→♦ 06:56, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
That's a bit harsh, Daniel. I agree that Boricuaeddie might not have done the wisest edit with the revert, but it isn't in line with a block for harrassment. --DarkFalls talk 07:08, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
He has now been warned. If he continues to disrupt User talk:Nick by reverting to readd messages removed by Nick, I will be left with no choice. I've seen more experienced contributors be blocked for similar or even less reverting, with the same rationale, and interestingly both of the blocks were endorsed. I cannot fathom how, should he continue to revert to readd messages despite Nick making it clear he finds it harassing, a block would be too harsh. Daniel→♦ 07:10, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
My apologies. I wasn't aware of the messages he was reverting, and re-adding... --DarkFalls talk 07:15, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
He didn't re add after this discussion started, and in fact has already stated "I understand that I shouldn't have reverted him" further up in this discussion. Daniel threatening to block over one mistake like this is way OTT in my opinion. Blocking is a last resort only in cases like this.Theresa Knott | The otter sank 09:27, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
You are misrepresenting my position. I said that if Boricuaeddie reverts it back in again (considering his constant assertions that Nick was in the wrong to remove it, and not him), I will then block. I decided to warn him in an attempt to be proactive rather than reactive, because I'd prefer to see Nick stay contributing to Wikipedia rather than be driven off by a second round of reverting. Daniel→♦ 09:43, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
In this thread other users had already told Boricuaeddie that he was wrong to revert. Four hours before your post, Boricuaeddie acknowledged that feedback and agreed he was wrong to do so. Your threat was unneeded and counterproductive. There was no indication that he was planning on continuing and you should have taken his acknowledgment of the previous feedback in good faith. Removal of user talk comments is something that confuses many people. Education is better than threats. -- JLaTondre 12:01, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
"FYI, my actions are justified. WP:TALK#Others.27_comments says you should not remove other's comments without a good reason. He removed my comments without a reason and then called me a troll. That's not exactly good. --Boricuaeddie 01:45, 9 August 2007 (UTC)". I stand by my statement that I will block Boricuaeddie in the event that he reverts again - if he doesn't, then there's no issue, right? I'd rather state my intention now in the hope to prevent an incident occuring rather than having it as a shock. I also stand by the fact that, having seen no retraction of the statement that Nick was wrong and he was right (if he has retracted it in another medium then I am less concerned), I felt (and still feel) outlining my intentions in the event that there were further reverts was a correct course of action. If you digress with the latter, then, we merely have different styles. Daniel→♦ 12:15, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
His acknowledgment, which Theresa Knott pointed out to you, was after that one, at 02:02, 9 August 2007 (UTC). Disagreeing with someone's style has no bearing on AGF. I am assuming good faith on your part, but wish you would apply it to Boricuaeddie. -- JLaTondre 14:29, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I am surprised this hasn't been archived already, after-all an admin is involved! Anyway both parties just need to calm down and move on. The discussion just got out of hand, but clearly the ban threat is biting badly.--Dacium 12:11, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

My God. Wikipedia: the free encyclopedia where an administrator abuses his power by threatening to block without warning, you try to discuss it, you get called a troll, you report it, you're threatened once again, and the admin gets away with it. *Sigh* Let's just archive this. --Boricuaeddie 16:07, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Actually I am on your side. I was expressing surprise that it had not been archived and infact had actually been given a fair go, rather than the usual archive and message that it has been solved, somewhere in private.--Dacium 03:02, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Calm, please. You reported it, you got agreement that Nick was out of line, but you also got told that you could have done something better too. Please don't expect to be able to criticize without being able to receive criticism. --AnonEMouse (squeak) 16:15, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Of course I expected criticism. What I didn't expect was that the discussion is now about me, not Nick's actions. --Boricuaeddie 16:22, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Yes, when you complain about the admins most likely to mess up, the discussion inevitably ends up about why you shouldn't have provoked him. That's one of the things you just have to deal with, because it wouldn't be worth the effort even if you could change it. -Amarkov moo! 18:26, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Green108 evading block using IP - 2nd time[edit]

Green108 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log) is continuing to evade a block by posting logged out from a non-fixed IP address. This time using (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log). The posts also contain personal attacks and reveal private & confidential information about me. Regards Bksimonb 05:06, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I'd recommend that you request permanent deletion of this edit according to the instructions at WP:RFO. Od Mishehu 07:28, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the info. The information itself is not damaging to me and doesn't need to be deleted. What is more of a problem is that he is able to find out what internal mailing lists I am on and what meetings I have attended within an organisation I belong to and then use this information with intent on Wikipedia to, it seems, embarrass, discredit or menace me. I've always been open about my affiliations but this kind of detail is just creepy and gratuitous. Thanks and regards Bksimonb 10:29, 9 August 2007 (UTC) was blocked for 24 hours by User:Isotope23. Carlossuarez46 18:45, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Despite attempts to discuss, IP continues to editorialize[edit]


The IP user in question is (talk · contribs · WHOIS). As should be evident from the history of Kashmiri people, this IP has been adding and re-adding his personal opinions and editorial comments about the article every day for almost two weeks. I've tried to reason with this user. At first I explained in the edit summaries, and eventually decided to leave the user a message on his talk page (User talk: people). Later, when a source (finally) became involved in his "Dear Editor" vandalism, I attempted to open discussion on it by adding this section to the article talk page, and informed him of this [20]. Unfortunately, he has not acknowledged any of my attempts and continues to add his editorial comments to the article.

So, it is with disappointment that I ask for a block on this user. I'm not sure about the length - per User talk: 2007, this is not the first time that the IP has disrupted in this way. In any case, a block is warranted not only to prevent the daily vandalism, but also to (hopefully ) better communicate to him that vandalism is not tolerated on Wikipedia. Thanks in advance for any help with this matter. The Behnam 05:57, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Is anyone able to handle this situation, or will I again receive the honor of seeing the editorial remarks re-added to the article tonight? I think I'm gonna cry... The Behnam 18:44, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
  • I sprotected the article for now until I can look into this further.--Isotope23 talk 18:48, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
  • The Kashmiri people article has been semi-protected by User:Isotope23 which should prevent editing from IP's. Note that this IP has been blocked in the past for vandalism at Khatri, which is now semi-protected as well. Carlossuarez46 18:58, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
    • Thanks a lot. The Behnam 18:59, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Repeated bogus accusations/claims and libel - User:PalestineRemembered[edit]

I've been having a problem with User:PalestineRemembered over his insistence to make claims for me or about me to other editors on talk pages of articles.

this behavior seems (to me) to be a direct follow up to more general libelous claims regarding israel, an issue which i noted to him and received some stubborn responses to.

after a number of notes, requests, and warnings i found that i cannot resolve this issue without taking it to the noticeboard, so i issued a final notice that i am reporting this issue.

the chronological order of notes the user's talk page is:

note: i suggest going over them from the most recent

i would appreciate some assistance on getting the user to change this offensive behavior.

-- JaakobouChalk Talk 10:20, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

After reading through some of his postings, I am against blocking User:PalestineRemembered. He/she might have a different POV on those issues, but he/she is providing good references [21][22][23][24][25] and blocking users with a different POV will work against establishing a NPOV article. --Raphael1 11:23, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
I am strongly opposed to blocking this user. --Eidah 12:11, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
I agree with Raphael1 and Eidah, and respectfully suggest that Jaakobou take this to WP:DR if he really feels that he needs to pursue this further. ابو علي (Abu Ali) 12:17, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
  1. Raphael1, i was refering to him making incorrect accusations about me (and not referencing them), not to the way he works with content inside the articles.
  2. User:Eidah, i'd rather hear what you suggest to change his behavior over what you think should not be done.
  3. User:Abu ali, this is not a content dispute, but an issue of problematic behavior. JaakobouChalk Talk 14:20, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
It is worth pointing out that all of the previous commentators have been partisans to this subject-matter (as have I). The point of AN/I is to solicit comment from uninvolved editors with a grasp of policy. TewfikTalk 18:34, 7 August 2007 (UTC)



note: offtopic resolved note: not anymore. :( Kyaa the Catlord 10:30, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I would like some help over at that page (Battle of Jenin). I'm not sure if there will be a pattern, but PalestineRemembered just reintroduced text I deleted due to it being blatant copyvio. (I've made him aware of his mistake, but I'd rather not have an edit war started over this...) Kyaa the Catlord 17:55, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
Kyaa removed the copyvio and it has not been restored, so case closed on that. Carlossuarez46 19:24, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
Actually, PalestineRemembered improved it so it meets out requirements rather than being a chunk of text dumped from another site. Kudos to him! Kyaa the Catlord 21:31, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
Update: PalestineRemembered continues to readd copyvio text even after being blocked for 3rr yesterday. Kyaa the Catlord 10:30, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Update: User:Butseriouslyfolks and I both left the editor notes about where s/he may look for advice on whether to include long excerpts. I will assume that this resolves the "offtopic" (again) and I'll dare to mark it so (again). Carlossuarez46 20:55, 9 August 2007 (UTC)


On the Tōru Ōhira article, many IPs vandalized the article by repeatedly changing the official birth date, September 24, 1929 to May 24, 1940 and also the years. I have reverted them to make them more accurate. This could be the same person that is vandalizing the Cogie Domingo article. Also, he/she vandalized Nobuo Tanaka, an article about a person who is the Director for Science, Technology and Industry at the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development, and elected Executive Director of the International Energy Agency by adding in the Tokusatsu credits. On the Seijuu Sentai Gingaman article, the narrator, who is really Norio Wakamoto according to the Official website at Toei has been repeatedly changed to Toru Ohira and I have reverted them. I am getting sick and tired of them. I appreciate it if this vandalism could stop. Thanks. Greg Jones II 12:23, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Is the birth date legitimately disputed in other mediums and/or on Wikipedia? Or is this nonsense changes? Daniel→♦ 12:25, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
I think some of my reasons (i.e. Seijuu Sentai Gingaman and the birth dates) are plain nonsense changes by the IPs themselves. Greg Jones II 12:27, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
I also suspect the IP vandals of sockpuppetry. They all come from that same person who vandalizes Gingaman and various articles. We need to make sure this vandalism on all Sentai articles and Toru Ohira must stop. Greg Jones II 13:50, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
The birth date change is just plain nonsense. Make sure every IP who has vandalized the articles is found. Thanks. Greg Jones II 13:57, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Without verification of those arguments and combined with the vandalism of his/her actions in general (deleting sources, sources information, adding speculation, changing date of birth, etc.) these users needs to be blocked. Greg Jones II 14:01, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
I would personally see all the Sentai articles semi-protected. Greg Jones II 14:12, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
I have tried to reason with these users, but it is no use. Greg Jones II 14:12, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
The user IPs who are vandalizing the articles are User:, User:, User: and User: Greg Jones II 14:35, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Requests for page protection and the vandal-prevention hotline are that-a-way, third door to either side. They're much quicker than AN/I, at any rate, for this type of stuff. -Jéské (v^_^v Kacheek!) 18:14, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
I have reported all of the user IPs from the phillipines at Wikipedia:WikiProject on open proxies. Thanks for the warning. Greg Jones II 19:20, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
AIV failed because Gogo Dodo removed the long list of IPs (no recent edits by any of them). Anything else I can do? I need some help now and that would be much appreciated. Greg Jones II 20:02, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

There is no administrator intervention required here, necessarily. There is nothing we can do for good faith (yet unconstructive) edits at the article in question. This is very likely a single individual in the Philippines (in Quezon or Manila) who thinks that the edits are correct and who has seen the show. There have been intermittent issues with good faith (yet unconstructive) edits to these kinds of articles from someone in the Philippines for some time, but to prevent that would either require semiprotecting all articles they editted or blocking a major island in the chain from editting.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 21:11, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh, sorry about that, Ryulong. I usually revert the edits, because I usually take them from the Japanese interwiki site, so I feel that it is necessary to add them. Thanks. Greg Jones II 21:31, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Speedy close of Split move request[edit]

Administrator Húsönd participated in a recent move request poll at Talk:Split showing his bias against moving the article about the Croatian city of Split to anything else. His oppose vote was "per Asterion". Asterion's justification was "The city entry has got the most encyclopedic value. Turning Split into a disambiguation page would only make sense if there were more than one city."

After the move request to move Split to Split, Croatia was closed due to lack of consensus, I submitted a new request to move Split to Split (city) because this was suggested by a number of those who opposed the first move request (in other words, the opposition was not to moving the article in general, but to moving the article to Split, Croatia specifically).

That poll has been active for only a couple of days, and Húsönd has just speedy closed it. He cites "selective canvass" (another user posted a notice about the new move on the talk pages of two people who supported the previous request, but neither of those has voted - this relatively inocuous matter can be remedied in way other than a speedy close, surely). I request that the speedy close be reversed due to administrator bias in this matter. Thank you. --Serge 17:40, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

My bias about moving this article in the previous discussion has nothing to do with my closure of this one. I always speedy close move proposals when they are created shortly after another closed move proposal. And the canvass just made it impossible in my view for the new discussion to continue. There's no much point in waiting for the canvassed users to drop by and renew their calls for a move. Canvass disrupts Wikipedia's natural consensus building process and discussions where canvass occurs should be void. I shall though undo my closure if other admins find that it was inappropriate.--Húsönd 18:00, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
I concur that it should not have been closed, even though Serge thinks it shouldn't be closed. (See our discussions on WP:NC(CN) for background.) At least two of the "oppose" !votes in the first move said they would accept the move to Split (city), so the new move request can rationally be considered seeking consensus. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 20:49, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Opening and closing of Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Watchdogb[edit]


I don't know how to deal with this situation. I filed the WP:RFCU regarding this WP:SSP case on 17:50, August 8, 2007 and User:Amarkov closed the case on 00:42, August 9, 2007. Since I posted the checkuser I tried to re-open the case[26] but another user made his objection on that.[27] Can we re-open a non admin closure? Thanks. --♪♫ ĽąĦĩŘǔ ♫♪ walkie-talkie 18:09, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I closed it because there was no activity for five days, and there wasn't convincing evidence of sockpuppetry given. It would have been nice if someone had told me about the checkuser case being filed instead of just having an edit war about it. I leave this for someone else to decide now, I don't want to solve an edit war. -Amarkov moo! 18:28, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
I made a mistake by not posting the RFCU case link into the SSP case. I too does not wish to have an editwar and waste my time. What should we do? open the case since the results of RFCU case is pending or keep it as it is? --♪♫ ĽąĦĩŘǔ ♫♪ walkie-talkie 18:39, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Seriously, unless there's some smoking gun I'm not seeing, the RFCU is not likely to come back conclusive. The SSP report did not sufficiently show a reason to believe these two accounts are related. If the checkuser comes back with a positive, then you'd have a reason to re-open it. Shell babelfish 18:48, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Oh, and you both meant - I don't want to have an edit war because that's not the right thing to do, right? ;) Shell babelfish 18:49, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Oh yes ma'am, btw thanks for the advice :) --♪♫ ĽąĦĩŘǔ ♫♪ walkie-talkie 19:10, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Where to report flagrant, repeated incivility?[edit]

Hello, I'd like to know the proper place to report flagrant, repeated incivility (bordering on personal attacks)such as these: [28][29][30][31][32][33] coming from User:KarenAER at White people and its associated talk page? Thanks!--Ramdrake 18:21, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Um, that's incivility? Those diffs? Anything else? Ok, I can understand why you might be a little annoyed if you're on the other side of content dispute, but I've seen worse (including from myself). With no comment on the content dispute in question, unless there's some slightly more damaging evidence I'd say there's no action to take. Moreschi Talk 18:24, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
The diffs above are fairly tame in terms of incivility. Being rude doesn't make something a personal attack. My recommendation would be taking a deep breath and not letting the other user get under your skin. These are not really flagrant. Leebo T/C 18:28, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Still, comments such as "YAWN", "LOL", insinuatng the other editors can't read, can't look up a reference and others, while still not using foul language, are incivil (to me, being rude is incivil, albeit petty incivility - personal attacks and foul language are something else). I think at least a warning from an admin would be warranted, as this is not the first time this user has acted this way (you may wish to look up all the warnings the user deleted from his/her user talk page in the talk page's history).--Ramdrake 18:31, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I have to second Ramdrake's statements. I'm getting quite tired of having to deal with incivility (in the form of insults or condescending remarks) from the editor during almost every interaction. Especially since this is a tendentious editor, and is generally not correct about content policy. If it was only once or twice, I'd brush it off, but now it is becoming frustrating. I almost wonder if the editor is trying to bait others into responding in kind. It is becoming difficult for other editors to stay cool. I don't think that we should have to ignore this pattern of abuse just because each remark, taken by itself, isn't severe. The conduct is disrupting discussion and editing at that page. The Behnam 18:39, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree, and I have some diffs. I don't know if they repeat Ramdrake's. acusations of irelevant opinions, and to shut up, get over it, again saying an editor's opinion is irrelevant and accused of trolling, stupid thing to say and yelling about vandalizing edits, admitted to having another user name, edit summary-can't stomach this user, edit summary-silly picture, accusing aothers of vandalism. - Jeeny Talk 18:45, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Some background information. Behnam is an editor who ignored the advice of the previous meditator [34], User:Stevertigo. He abused the situation after his opponent, User:Lukas19 was banned, whom he accused me of sockpuppetry of [35], deleted HUGE amounts of information [36]. That information has been restored thx to another admin, User:Dbachmann.
As for Jeeny. Some of her remarks: This is exactlly what's wrong with Wikipedia, when people that have no reasoning abilities are able to edit articles and LOL! And KarenAE whatever (for me to be blocked). And going earlier this year: asshole, I quit you jerk and she had repeatedly removed a map because she thought it was wrong, without citing any sources whatsoever.
So, I'm not sure if I'm the only one here who should take all the blame... KarenAER 20:25, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
I have to say, based on the initial diffs, I see nothing overly incivil and I have no problem imposing blocks for incivility. There was nothing that i saw warranted a stern warning. Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 20:28, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
I offered a suggestion to the editor which she can take or leave as she sees fit. The only other think I'll add is that the whole discourse at Talk:White people could probably use some cooling down.--Isotope23 talk 20:50, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Background information, eh? I've already explained to you that your story, which you use to bash me, is not entirely accurate, as the mediator later that day changed his mind and agreed with me. I've explained at Talk:White people#Wikipedia Rules and Guidelinesdiff, and still have received no response from you regarding my very straightforward argument. I suggest that you stop attacking me based upon your misrepresentation of the former mediator's opinion unless you can answer to the fact that he agreed with me instead later that day. I do hope that you aren't purposely ignoring this reality because it weakens your case against me... The Behnam 23:15, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

The H case:User:H has been threatened[edit]

Images tagged weeks ago not deleted[edit]

I tagged some images as having no rationales sometime ago in July and they still don't have rationales and they are still tagged. Apparently something happened when I tagged them and the category didn't show up properly, thus it went unnoticed. Should I retag them to appear in the category or should they be deleted? An example of what happened is on Image:Benison books.JPG. — Moe ε 19:22, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

It looks like the category tag was broken. I have deleted that one, but are there others? Until(1 == 2) 19:38, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Yes, but luckly this happened right when I started keeping a log of images I tagged:

I'm going to make sure these are fixed the next time around :( — Moe ε 19:50, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

The User, GasSnake or Poison Oak[edit]

This is being posted here as per the request of the administrators whom deal with the WP:AIV as they feel it needs to be further examined. In accordance with general policy, this user has been given warning after warning and continues to make colorful, defamatory remarks and insults against other users including myself in addition to other general violations. This is my first time posting to the WP:ANI so you'll forgive me if my knowledge on how it operates is sketchy. I will post here as was posted upon the AIV.

  • The user, GasSnake or Poison Oak, implements Personal Attacks against users including some remarks which can be found to be insulting and others which can be found to be questionable. Also makes use of their user page by taking other editor's comments and posting them upon it. In addition, this user makes usage of their signature to spoil a novel (Harry Potter, Book 7) by means of the text: "Change is coming and potter should have died". This does not affect my person as I've read the novel but it still does not excuse the action. In addition, other violations include violation of the 3RR Rule, Multiple POV Edits (as self-admitted by the offending party), spam, consistent uploading of Non-Licensed Images, and flat-out insulting other users including, but not limited to the reporting party, Ancientanubis, and Sam ov the blue sand.

I believe other users who have been affected by this will be making their own cases here. The above, however, is my sumation of things to the best of my ability without going out on an entire lengthy rant. Please look into and deal with this situation accordingly. Thank You. Evilgohan2 05:01, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Have you tried ignoring him? It doesn't look like he has editted any articles in a while (just talk pages). Someone should review his image uploads for speedy deletion, though; never mind, there's just one, and I just db tagged it. Dicklyon 05:24, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
  • if this were brought up a few days ago i would have completely and utterly agreed with all of Gohans above statements without question seeing as i was the one who technically gave birth to this entire predicament (through a discussion/argument between GasSnake and i over some of his edits to List of O-Parts in 666 Satan) and i still have no problem saying that GasSnake is guilty of the things mentioned above. But, over the course of last night and tonight i have attempted to make peace with GasSnake and have seemingly succeeded seeing as we were able to carry some discussion about various topics related to the editing of 666 Satan, i have also attempted to convince him to stop his personal attacks on other editors as it will result in him being either banned or some other action that would not end well for him (as an editor). i guess in the long run the thing holding me back from outright saying he needs to be removed from wikipedia is that i now see some potential in him as an editor and i feel it would be wrong to take serious action(such as banning or what not) against him without him first giving him an "administer realized last chance"(of sort), thanks, Ancientanubis, talk Editor Review 05:29, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
  • i truly don't care about what happens as I've delt with worse than this guy. But originaly I tried to help mediate becuase anubis asked me to, even after I tried to talk to him calmly he answered me by yelling and making excuses as to why he does what he does, after telling him not to yell I also told him that being african american and hating racists is no excuse as to why he was acting in such a way. Even after that he retorted and telling me what I said was a personal attack even though it wasn't. I do see pontential but right now all I see is a troll. I truly don't care what happens to him but I do hope he stops his trolling ways.Sam ov the blue sand, Editor Review 16:26, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
  • well, my main reasons for saying i feel he has some potential is the fact that during some of our more civil discussions(here for example) he has shown the ability to do things that most others see as being a "normal editor", and to be a little honest, i also see a bit of him inside me (this being the fact that i have been known to lose my temper and say thigns i really shouldnt say, only GasSnakes appears to be at a slight bit more of an extreme @ times), idk, to be honest im still waiting to hear his response to these aligations as i think it could go either way... Ancientanubis, talk Editor Review 17:33, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
  • "...right now all I see is a troll." At the moment, that is all I'm seeing. In addition, in response to Ancientanubis, I shall point out that he has been informed of the statements made against him. ⒺⓋⒾⓁⒼⓄⒽⒶⓃ② 17:38, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
  • idk, maybe your right and im just being to optimistic, but after my enormous argument with him i'm tryin to treat him as a fellow editor until it is (or is not) deemed time to let him go.... Ancientanubis, talk Editor Review 21:21, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
  • This was removed from here for some reason.... I do not know why and I find no rationale for such in the history so I've re-added it. ⒺⓋⒾⓁⒼⓄⒽⒶⓃ② 20:35, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
  • It was archived; this happens to threads that are inactive for 2 days.--Isotope23 talk 20:40, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
  • While I do see some edits that get my attention, GasSnake or Poison Oak (talk · contribs) hasn't edited since 5 August. Is there a pressing reason we can't wait and see how things go if and when they return to editing? – Luna Santin (talk) 21:49, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
  • None specifically. I've discussed this with Anubis and we both feel it can wait. We also suspect he flew the coop and/or was a socket puppet. His entire purpose here seemed (sic) to be to annoy people, as stated on his own talk page... ⒺⓋⒾⓁⒼⓄⒽⒶⓃ② 05:28, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Bots Semi-Protecting[edit]

Not sure if this is relevent. MadmanBot semi-protected the page Roy Oldham and despite me asking why said it was still semi-protected and didn't bother to leave a courtesy reply on my talk page. Bots do great work, but semi-protecting watched pages? The last edit was 4 days before the bot intervened. Are we not going mad? Is Wikipedia still the encyclopedia anyone can edit or do we allow bots to decide over editors who take their time to watch articles? I would ask for an undo and if I am proved wrong, I will never ask again. Mike33 - t@lk 23:05, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

MadmanBot is not semiprotecting anything. It's adding the semiprotection tags to pages that are already semiprotected.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 23:10, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
DocG has not been able to remove semi-protection for the simple reason that he is "wikibreaked". A 23/04/07 semi-protection is a joke. All editors have been able to edit for at least 8 weeks. Bots should not be able to protect articles in this way. Wikipedia is about consensus, I cannot see how a script can judge or know the inner workings of any article. I move for a clean removal of an unecessary semi-protection. Mike33 - t@lk 23:17, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Read what Ryulong just said again.--Atlan (talk) 23:28, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
An administrator semi-protected the article back in April. Semi-protection stops unregistered or new (less than four days old) editors from making changes. The bot simply added a template which labeled the article as semi-protected - it did not apply the actual protection. I've dropped the protection for now as a test per your request - I'll add the page to my watch list and will re-apply if needed. Kuru talk 23:31, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Look my apologies - I have no idea about this particular bot. DocG is on Wikibreak, so it was never an option to contact him. When the bot showed up I just went mad, thinking that the matter had been cleared up months ago. However, I just cannot see why any semi-protection tag should exist for months at a time (ok GWB execpted). Mike33 - t@lk 23:41, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

User:[edit] (talk · contribs) is an SPA which has only been involved in edit warring on Islam: What the West Needs to Know, and has never left so much as a single comment on a Talk page. Corvus cornix 23:33, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

He doesn't even leave edit summaries, so this can really just be considered content-removal vandalism, a report for WP:AIV if you want him blocked. Someguy1221 23:41, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
He has been adding long, OR essays. Corvus cornix 23:48, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Oh, didn't look that far back into his contribs. Anyway, complete refusal to acknowledge being warned and reverted makes this quite trivial in my book. *shrug* Someguy1221 23:55, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Nooblettepwns's hoax articles[edit]

This user has created the following articles about supposed hockey players:

The supposed teams the last two play on appear to be, through google, high school teams. Can an admin look into this and deal with it?--ÐeadΣyeДrrow (Talk|Contribs) 00:17, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

User blocked, hoaxes deleted.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 00:25, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

WP:ANI sprotected for a bit[edit]

FYI, I sprotected this page for a short trolling break. —Wknight94 (talk) 01:05, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

A boastful vandal[edit]

[37] - I've seen his work coming from another IP address which was blocked, a couple of days ago. Corvus cornix 01:27, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

They're very likely all proxies. He's the reason for the semiprotection of ANI right now.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 01:33, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
And I've fed the three IPs used to WP:OP for them to check. Tabercil 03:28, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
It's obvious, WP:OP is backlogged, m:OP is backlogged, and I've blocked whatever I could.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 03:42, 10 August 2007 (UTC)


The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Closed per request -- Avi 16:00, 10 August 2007 (UTC)


Most readers here will be aware that there is an ongoing POV dispute about the categorisation of Jerusalem and Category:Jerusalem as part of a much bigger dispute on Wikipedia about Israeli-Palestinian issues in general.

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