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Return of Aoso0ck[edit]

Resolved: Blocked for edit warring, etc. Protonk (talk) 06:18, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Aoso0ck (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log) was blocked twice for edit warring at medical specialty articles. He is now back reverting almost 3 months of changes in 3 seperate articles. Messages on his talk page are blanked, and the edit summaries he uses make no sense. NJGW (talk) 05:34, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Taken care of for one week. But... given tenacious tendencies of this editor, I have to ask if this is this enough? NJGW (talk) 06:11, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
After further review, I've extended the block to 30 days. Dreadstar 06:15, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
  • 30 days is probably more than sufficient. I'll mark this resolved for now. Protonk (talk) 06:18, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Phil Spector[edit]

I've reverted Phil Spector three times today, in view of of blatant NPoV and BLP issues [examples redacted]. The new anon editor who is adding them doesn't seem to heed warnings on their talk page (some of which, oddly, refer in error, to Leonard Cohen). Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 22:47, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Nope, no error in referring to Leonard Cohen. The I.P. has been problematic there as well, inserting clear and problematic BLP violations (involved admin are welcome to check out the I.P.'s deleted contributions. The I.P.'s talk says it's a rotating I.P., changing each time a user disconnects, but has clearly been used by the same person for at least the last nine hours so I've softblocked it for forty-eight hours. If a new I.P. pops up and pulls the same stuff, I'll semi the affected articles. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 23:53, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
In the template at the top of the talk page, the only parameter given is name of the ISP. All the other "information" you see is generic and probably impertinent (see Template:ISP). On a cable connection they aren't likely to change IP very often unless they deliberately change their MAC address. — CharlotteWebb 13:17, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

I THINK I hear a "quack"...[edit]

...but I'm not sure. Here we have it: User: Lilmae and User:Danargh. These two users were created within four minutes of each other today; now, each of them has a small number of highly-similar, experimental but then self-reverted contributions to the same article (Arthur (TV series)). I wouldn't call either of them a vandalism-only account (not yet, anyway) but there seem to be just a couple too many coincidences here to blithely AGF. Should I request a checkuser, or am I being overly paranoid? Thanks...Gladys J Cortez 10:21, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Looks a bit socky. I think a CheckUser's in order, per WP:DUCK - of course, they might not know it's not allowed, or it might just be a coincidence. The latter will be revealed by a CheckUser, and a polite note on both talk pages will reveal the former. DendodgeTalkContribs 10:27, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

User:Jodybhater[edit]

Resolved

This appears to be a SPA which has performed one edit on my user page. Would someone consider blocking this account for me? I don't feel I should do it as that could be interpreted as a conflict of interest. Tanks JodyB talk 12:13, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Done. --barneca (talk) 12:16, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

User:Man with one red shoe[edit]

Resolved: Nothing to see here. Move along. VG 16:27, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

User:Man with one red shoe seems to have a habit of wiping his talk page, which I see has contained quite a few warnings relative to the amount he has contributed. I am currently choosing not to get into an edit war with him at Bucharest even though I think he is utterly wrong on the matter at hand. Someone who has not been in conflict with him might want to look into the pattern of his edits, I've seen just enough to tell me that I'm not willing to assume his good faith, which means I should stay out of the picture. - Jmabel | Talk 20:24, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Without looking into the rest of it, any user has the right to blank their own talk page. See WP:BLANKING. Oren0 (talk) 20:30, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Per the above, when an editor gets reported and an admin finds they have a habit of blanking their talkpages which just happen to contain many warnings regarding the same things... Well, it usually doesn't go well for that editor. However, if an editor becomes a well regarded member of the community - who needs those reminders of a less than savoury past cluttering up the page? LessHeard vanU (talk) 22:11, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
I have no problem with people looking into my history. As for blanking my page is not related to any warning, I don't let any comment on it. So, what is the complain about, my edits in Bucharest, or my blanking my talk page -- just to be sure that I understand what is this about. I'm pretty sure I didn't break any rule. So, what's this about? man with one red shoe (talk) 01:33, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
I really hoped to just add a request for someone independent to take a look at your conduct, and reach whatever conclusion they might, and other than the request I intended to stay out of it myself, because I'm probably biased by how I crossed paths with you. But since you ask me directly:
  1. I thought your removal at Bucharest was wrongheaded, so I reverted it with an explanation. You reverted me back.
  2. I don't engage in edit wars, so I did what I usually do in a situation like this to try to work out whether to work this through with an unfamiliar editor on on the talk page of an article. My two quickest guides to someone's character on Wikipedia are their user talk page and their contributions. The short of it is, I didn't particularly like what I saw. It looks to me like you make a lot of contentious edits (and few uncontroversial ones), and have a habit of blanking your talk page. Blanking your talk page is allowed, but it is generally considered dubious conduct (I think pretty much any admin will back me up on that). Contentious edits are allowed, but a pattern of them does not suggest to me someone I want to deal with, and can indicate trolling or any of a number of other problems.
  3. What I saw was enough for me to conclude that I didn't want to spend my time engaging you in discussion (though I guess I've now wasted even more time than that would have taken. Oh, well). It was also enough to make me wonder whether on net you are contributing positively to the building of an encyclopedia.
  4. Taking off my editor hat and putting on my admin hat, I was a bit concerned about the combination of contentious edits and blanking the talk page. I felt someone should follow up and see if there was a problem here (there might or might not be, I really have no firm idea), but since I was already annoyed over the Bucharest matter I basically recused myself from being the person who would follow up.
In short, I've asked here for someone disinterested to look into the pattern of your edits, because what I saw concerned me. If they say "no problem", fine, at least from an admin point of view. That's definitely the last I am saying on this. I'm no more interested in having a fight here than in the article. - Jmabel | Talk 08:29, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
1. So you didn't agree with my edit and you decide to report me to the Admin noticeboard. Nice. BTW, I explained my revert too, you didn't provide a reference that the nickname is still in use.
2. Why you didn't open this discussion on Talk:Bucharest instead of bringing this to ANI for two reverts on a trivial matter? Did I refuse to talk to you in the talk page?
3. So you decided that it's not worthy to discuss with fellow editor, but to report him/her to ANI... again, very nice.... are you an admin? is this the common attitude among WP admins?
4. Blanking my web page is well within my rights and it shouldn't be suspicious, this is a under-the-belt hit, it's like judging somebody for how they walk or how they talk not for what they have to say. If an admin will tell me that's against the rules I will stop blanking my talk page but till then I will do it and I don't like to be reported to ANI for something that's well within my rights.
BTW, I don't respond here because I'm afraid of any consequinces because I know that I didn't do anything wrong, but I'm a bit concern to see an admin behaving in this shameful manner. Basically you didn't like two of my edits and you reported me here with no basis bringing up arguments "blanking my talk page" that shouldn't have any weight. -- man with one red shoe (talk) 16:13, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
I think Jmabel was perfectly right in reporting you here. It is not normal to blank your talk if you've been repeatedly warned. Just be honest and you'll get somewhere. Arguing, rather than negotiating/explaining what you did to everyone isn't going to get you farther. Just my 2 cents --Belinrahs (talk) 00:04, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
See the history of my talk page, I've always blanked my talk page, is not related to any warning, and when Jmabel reported here I didn't have any fresh warning, and most of the warnings have been frivolous (or at least that's my opinion), Jmabel didn't post anything in my talk page, but again, my blanking the page has no relationship with any warnings and as far as I know blanking a warning is a sign that you got the warning, the warnings are in the history anyway, so this is not a cover-up attempt, it's just how I deal with my talk page and again this is well within my rights. Are you an admin? Is this an official position that I shouldn't blank my page? Is there a policy regarding personal talk pages that I've missed? man with one red shoe (talk) 00:00, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
I have to agree with Jmabel that there is a disturbing pattern here reinforced by the constant blanking of the talk page while making contentious edits, blanking legitimate warnings. One of Jmabel's comments was very interesting to read "but a pattern of them does not suggest to me someone I want to deal with, and can indicate trolling or any of a number of other problems.". This comment relates to it [1]. The comment shows going to an admin to fight for keeping "trollish" comments on a talk page that is for suggesting improvements to the attached article. While the user himself described the comments as trollish, he launched a whole campaign to keep and post them again and again, which included AN thread, talk thread, and the above qouted post to an admin all the while not explaining which guideline of Wikipedia mandates posting and retaining admittedly "trollish" comments on article talk pages. Hobartimus (talk) 04:14, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
I vote block at least for a little while, per the findings of Hobartimus. The user clearly has no interest in doing anything constructive for Wikipedia. --Belinrahs (talk) 12:43, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm not involved in that dispute on the nickname for Bucharest, but it looks like User:Man with one red shoe is removing a nickname despite talk page consensus, which is also supported by plenty references. So, I'd say he's at least POV pushing, if not downright trolling. He only engaged on discussion on the talk page yesterday (Oct 26), before then he just kept reverting with no discussion. There's still some hope he'll give up without being blocked. YMMV. VG 16:10, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
"he just kept reverting" - I reverted two times and each time I explained why. The admin who reported me here didn't even start a discussion on the talk page, I did, which shows that I'm willing to discuss my edits. I think your description of the events is misleading.
As for the issue that Hobartimus reported, I stand by my actions, people were trying to censor on talk:Hungary by removing comments that they didn't like -- no other reason. The conflict was solved when we got a third opinion that basically supported my point that we shouldn't delete content in talk pages unless there's a clear violation of the rules. Obviously I was on the right side of the fence, Hobartimus is not unbiased since he was part of that discussion which didn't end up the way he would have liked. Again, I'm not at all ashamed for that discussion against censorship, if you don't believe me take a look at the events and see what was the third opinion and the result of the debate. Why should I be judged and punished because I voiced my opinon against censorship when people eventually supported my position, not Hobartimus'? man with one red shoe (talk) 23:45, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

This whole thread seems remarkably free of concrete evidence of any wrongdoing on MwORS's part. Nothing even remotely approaching blockable. Move on people, nothing to see here. Fut.Perf. 23:56, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

US Dept of Homeland Security[edit]

I just blocked 204.248.24.165 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) which is registered to the United States Department of Homeland Security. While it's not in the list of IPs that we're supposed to report, I thought it was notable enough to bring up here. Toddst1 (talk) 16:44, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Apparently some of those boys don't have enough to do. And given that department's purpose, maybe that's a good thing. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 17:12, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Forward and reverse DNS for that address match, as "sbcp6.dhs.gov". The edits have politically related content, although they're not electioneering.[2]. They read more like something from someone who didn't get that Wikipedia isn't a blog. --John Nagle (talk) 17:22, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
More than that, this one is out-and-out vandalism. Hmm...when the organization who is charged with keeping America safe is doing some attacking, one has to wonder. AKRadeckiSpeaketh 17:35, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Heh. Back around the time of the first Gulf War (1991), I recall reading that the first people outside the inner circles of government to know that something was going down were the pizza delivery people in Washington DC due to the sudden increase in late night deliveries to the Pentagon. Thatcher 17:24, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Officially known as the Domino's Theory. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 17:43, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
When blocking a sensitive IP, it's usually good to notify WP:COMCOM by leaving a note at the notification page on meta. - auburnpilot talk 17:28, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
And don't ever forget this useful tool -t BMW c- 17:32, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

User:Bbiw/TLF[edit]

Resolved: Sent to MFD.

Are the opinions expressed in this user's subpage appropriate and permissible? It talks about a "small group," gives their name, and says in part "A fairly unknown organization, operating in the US. They are NOT considered a terrorist group and currently they do not stand as one" ..."The government is twisted in its own lies and should be removed immediately unless dire changes happen."..."We are the savior. We are the destroyer. Stand with us or fall. The time has come."..."A night of terror will follow.." Is this a permissible use of a user sub-page? Edison (talk) 13:53, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Doesn't look like an article in progress. If the user page says Do NOT try to contact me in hope of retreving information about TLF what other purpose does he have than to distribute a message (and then claim not to want to distribute it)? Odd. --Moni3 (talk) 14:06, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
In my opinion this is either a prank or someone who stopped talking their medicines. Opiumjones 23 (talk) 14:09, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
The editor has done nothing in Wikipedia but to create this sub-page, and a userpage that says what Moni quotes above. I'd say this should go to MfD, stat. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:10, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

done --Cameron Scott (talk) 14:15, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Total Liberation Front is apparently a Cyber Nations alliance. Little Red Riding Hoodtalk 21:04, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

User created a page with malware link[edit]

I just blocked an new user User:Jdeveaux14. He/she created a page now deleted that links to malware. I opened the page and was sent automatically to a malware site that set my anti-virus off. I deleted the userpage that contained the same link. I have attempted to delete the page he created but I can't. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=Jdeveaux14. Beware the page will redirect.— Ѕandahl 19:04, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

I think I finally got it but the deleted diff still redirects. — Ѕandahl 19:06, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Dina Cocea[edit]

This was created as a copyvio. Creator has removed the speedy tag and stubbed the article but the copyvio is still in the article history. Can someone delete the first 2 revisions please? Exxolon (talk) 21:58, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Done. I'll see now if I can add a bit to this micro-stub.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:06, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. Exxolon (talk) 22:19, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

User:Ibaranoff24 and rollback[edit]

This user has been edit warring on multiple articles over the past couple months and is now using rollback to implement his changes. See herehere here and here he is using rollback to remove sourced information added by a user he has been edit warring with because he happens to not agree with the content personally. None of these edits are vandalism, and if you check out the contribs there are dozens more instances where this user has abused the rollback feature. Landon1980 (talk) 19:12, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

This isn't the intended use of rollback, user's right should be removed.— Ѕandahl 19:24, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Agreed. Gwen Gale (talk) 19:25, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Concur. Was gonna await feedback from the user in question, but I cannot think of a reason to not remove rollback. ~~
Removed. Tiptoety talk 20:23, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
As disappointed as I am with Ibaranoff24 for misusing rollback in the first place (I, after all, did give him rollback several months ago, on the condition that he'd use it correctly), I'm curious to know why it was so urgent to de-rollback him when, as of this time, he hasn't been online for an entire week and hasn't even been given much of a chance to respond to this. Correct me if I'm wrong, but unless de-rollbacking was absolutely necessary (i.e. the user was warned and they continued abusing it anyway), I thought the user was supposed to have at least some time to respond first to explain their actions and avoid making the mistakes again. Maybe I'm missing something, or just haven't participated in many rollback removal threads...I don't know, but at any rate, I'm not going to restore it. Just surprised at the removal rush, that's all. Acalamari 22:03, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
I think he knew he wasn't supposed to use it to edit war with, and to use it only to remove vandalism. Acalamari, you gave me rollback and explained very clearly when it was appropriate to use rollback. I'm nearly certain you explained to this user as well. If you will look back through his contribs a bit you will see he has been edit warring on multiple articles here the last month or two and has been abusing rollback for quite some time. He was taken to AN3 a couple times here lately for edit warring. Landon1980 (talk) 23:10, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
From WP:PERM: "Misuse of the feature, even if unintentional or in good faith may give cause for it to be removed." Tiptoety talk 23:41, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

User:CasperMovieSequel200955555[edit]

Resolved: Alright, that's a wrap! -Jéské Couriano (v^_^v) 01:11, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

This User:Lyle123 sock was reported by me to AIV last night just before he started in on what I knew would be a slew of bogus movie articles and sure enough, he did one. It's been deleted, but the sock remains unblocked. Might I impose on someone to block this sockpuppet as soon as possible? Thanks. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 22:19, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Exorcised. -Jéské Couriano (v^_^v) 01:11, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
We don't want him healthy, we want him go...Oh. Exorcized.
LOL! Thanks, bro. Next time the little "demon spawn" (mwaahaahaaaa!) decides he's going to refill his sock drawer, I'll drop a line on AIV. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 01:27, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Legal threat?[edit]

Resolved: User talk blanked and locked by MaxSem. ➨ ЯEDVERS a sweet and tender hooligan 09:22, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Is this a legal threat? Talking about obtaining information about Wikipedia's legal status? Little Red Riding Hoodtalk 22:14, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

No. It isn't.--Scott MacDonald (talk) 22:17, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Why not? Just so that I'll understand in the future. Although your bald comment without any other explanation doesn't really appear helpful. Little Red Riding Hoodtalk 22:21, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
I see no threat here,just silliness. Even if he did look at the guidelines for "GUIDELINES FOR OBTAINING YOUR STATUS" as a charity, so what? He's quite entitled to.--Scott MacDonald (talk) 22:28, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
I'd be more concerned about this little number an administrator put on his talk page. Seems extremely bite-y.   «l| Ψrometheăn ™|l»  (talk) 22:34, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
It was in reply to [3] which was a nine times repeated block capital attack peppering a user talk page. But I have softened it a bit... --BozMo talk 22:55, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
This more recent one is more explicit, came about during a conversation following an unblock request. Noting for clarity. – Luna Santin (talk) 08:57, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
In case the deletions that started all this winds up at WP:DRV or under review by the Foundation, I have reviewed the deleted articles and searched for reliable sources with verifiable information that would show if these meet notability requirements. A Google search for "BBrad's Kids Cancer Foundation" gave no hits. Google serch for "Brad's Kids Pediatric Cancer Foundation" turned up six hits. These include MySpace pages for the organization, pages for a partner, Literacy Volunteers of Illinois, and the Wikipedia article for that group. Google News searches for each turned up no hits. As did Google Scholar and Google Book searches. The articles contain no assertion of notability. The articles' only source is the group's MySpace page. The group does not appear to meet WP:N or WP:CORP. While the group's work is commendable, this is not sufficient for an article in an encyclopedia. The articles meet criteria for speedy deletion. Dlohcierekim 03:21, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Shared Accounts and Meat Puppets and Computer Sharing[edit]

Resolved

Martha Erin (Marthaerin1888) and I (MDCCCXLVIII)-we happen being biological sisters who currently attend the University of Wisconsin La Crosse-are good hearted Wikipedia editors who are newcomers and amateurs.

Martha Erin-my sister-started Wikibreak October 12th and she has confessed to meat puppetry and shared accounts (that is, Martha Erin, 23 others, I did edits using each others' edit accounts AND used meatpuppets-me included). Also, we shared Martha's computer while editing Wikipedia-THIS is her computer I am typing this notice on.

My sister already performed last messages. Anyone can put messages on Marthaerin1888 or my personal pages at MDCCCXLVIII. My names' Linda Michelle (actual name Lindsay but I prefer if you call me Linda much better). Martha Erin plans returning to edit Wikipedia between August 2010 and November 2017; I prefer waiting until mid Autumn of 2012 at the very least or September of 2015 (after we finish University of Wisconsin La Crosse Issues). But however can we prove that we would never do the work of vandals while on Wikipedia?

And also informing that 12.210.198.245 shall be retired as of Sat November 1st 2008-in other words my sister will no longer need the IP address number that is given to her computer from an ISP serving the area of La Crosse and Winona. And also, is sharing the computer at the same time you edit Wikipedia not very smart?

Linda of MDCCCXLVIII

Until Martha Erin and I return, so long folks. I shall resume MDCCCXLVIII upon my returning. Miss Martha will resume under alternate account-please note, however, the talkpage is protected over there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.210.198.245 (talk) 14:37, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Is it just me who finds that complete incoherent? --Cameron Scott (talk) 14:52, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Huh? seicer | talk | contribs 15:08, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure all I heard was a lot of quacking. Wildthing61476 (talk) 15:11, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Both registered accounts listed above have already been blocked indefinitely. Tan | 39 15:12, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
12.210.198.245 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log) was able to post here because FisherQueen's 2-week block on the IP expired recently. Since this IP is evading a continuing block on a registered account I've reblocked the IP for one month anon-only. EdJohnston (talk) 15:24, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
It's disturbing to think that UW-LaCrosse is producing students who write that way. Why take 5 or 6 paragraphs, when "please block me" would accomplish the same result? Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 17:14, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Considering the massive amount of vandalism we get from school-IPs, is it any surprise that users who state they are in schools are a little...off? HalfShadow 18:15, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Reading this, my brain felt like it melted into Nutella. Gwen Gale (talk) 17:24, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
At least Nutella has nutritional value, unlike the above. -t BMW c- 17:34, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Nutella looks like the dessert equivalent to vegemite. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 17:44, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Nooooo....Nutella is good, vegemite is inedible. (imo) --Rocksanddirt (talk) 23:19, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Nutella is the hazelnut equivalent of Peanut Butter ... with a little milk and chocolate added in for "health" value. -t BMW c- 23:24, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
And Vegemite is what you get when a bottle of beer throws up. HalfShadow 00:30, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Bugs and Shadow: You forget, 30% of high schoolers and 50% of college students never graduate. Probably because they spend too much time vandalizing Wikipedia and teabagging their roommate when he falls asleep. As both a semi-productive college student and a semi-productive Wikipedian, I'm shaking my 40 in anger at this sort of behavior. Bullzeye (Ring for Service) 03:01, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Amwestover (talk · contribs) and the Barbara West article[edit]

I'd like you guys to take a look at this -- he claims on the article's talk page that his violations of the three revert rule are just, and claims that political commentators are not "reliable sources". He seems to be using IP sockpuppets to do more reverts for him. We've been attempting to mediate with him but it's just not working. An administrator's opinion and maybe a checkuser would be nice. --CFIF 21:26, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

I'd comment and/or take action, but I'm probably a little biased. Tan | 39 21:45, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
It's been semi-protected... but this article does need some attention. The subject is very much in the news in the US, and (supposedly) her husband has made edits to the Wikipedia article to "correct" it. This could become a very high profile article very fast. Note that this is probably not a "Joe the Plumber" type article, since the subject, as a longtime news anchor in a mid-sized market, was likely notable even without the zillions of stories written about her in the past week. --Rividian (talk) 21:48, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

COI editors/possible puppets[edit]

Getting really strange here. Toddst1 (talk) 22:38, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

  • Hey, it gets stranger. Joseph M Boy (talk · contribs) got me involved in posting SolgamesUSA, sensing he may get fallout from the situation with WadeWest (talk · contribs), who is good friends with him. I ended up trying to cleanup the article on Wade's wife's article, being that it was a complete mess at the time: I even requested admin semi-protection to block the random IPs (I think Wade and Joe tried editing before creating accounts, as well as some vandal kept popping up). I've gotten Joe's participation on here straightened out, but I can't speak for the Wests: I don't know what they're doing at this point. Cwolfsheep (talk) 00:06, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Hello, I am Joseph Boy, Real Name, I know Cwolfsheep and User:WadeWest. I asked Cwolfsheep to assist me in understanding how to properly fix articles without causing any issue on wikipedia. Since my background is computer repair and running a charity not making posts or writing. I have know Wade for over 20 years and I am assuming he is just trying to learn about wikipedia himself so he can correct some of the slanderous remarks that have been posted to his wife's article. I have not spoken to Wade about it. I did go ahead and made a user page for him since he is menitioned in the article and it would allow an explaination of what he really does for a living rather than what has been implied in the article. The only changes I have made on Barbara_West_(TV_news_anchor) were corrections to a reference that was going to an old version of the site on my home based server and moved it to the real location on a webserver that is hosted on a t3 line (able to handle the bandwidth) The referenced website is identicle and was not changed I just removed it from my home server to reduce bandwith issues. I may have made a few other minor changes but nothing large scale as I was asking advice from an experenced wiki user. So to clear the air, I am not a puppet (whatever that is) but myself and Wade West are two different accounts. I know Wade from the fact he is a board member of the Non-Profit Charity SolgamesUSA that I run and figued I would help his wife's article. Joseph M Boy (talk) 03:22, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

68.198.120.66[edit]

Resolved: Wrong venue Hersfold (t/a/c) 05:02, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Check out this user's edits. (ChocoCereal (talk) 04:15, 29 October 2008 (UTC))

For those who like links [4]. --67.155.253.248 (talk) 04:16, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Please report vandalism to WP:AIV after the user has been appropriately warned. Thank you. Hersfold (t/a/c) 05:02, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Okay, sorry. I haven't been on Wikipedia in a while.(ChocoCereal (talk) 05:04, 29 October 2008 (UTC))

User:Damiens.rf block review[edit]

Resolved: Block was appropriate.

I blocked Damiens on Saturday for one week for violating 3RR immediately after coming off of a previous block for violating 3RR. He's trying to raise a stink on his talk page because I didn't notice another editor violated 3RR with him... (Admittedly, I just checked his contributions, noticed a ton to the same page and looked at the diffs - I didn't even worry or think about the other editor). Can I get a review of this block? --Smashvilletalk 21:24, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps it would have been appropriate to have commented to Rebecca, warned even, regarding the edit war, but I don't see that it invalidates the block on Damiens.rf; An editor may revert once, perhaps twice, and then they should discuss it - and this editor should know that. Unless he is claiming vandalism, that is bad faith editing, there is no allowance for continually reverting. Valid block, but perhaps Rebecca might be invited to comment here despite the edit war issue being stale? LessHeard vanU (talk) 21:59, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Block looks legit to me, procedure followed. MBisanz talk 22:05, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Agreed per MBisanz, legit block, User blocked should deal with it as it was way too soon after his first block for the same violation. --Arnzy (talk · contribs) 03:52, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Endorse block. I'd reviewed this block when an unblock was requested on 26 October. Smashville, you really should've looked at the other side, because there's no doubt that Rebecca should've known better, and been warned. In this particular case however, I don't see an inequity or invalidity in the block because I consider it an early detection of a problem editor. The 10RR was a major issue (blocked), then ignoring 3RR again was another issue (blocked again), but then the editing itself was (imo) a bigger issue, although no one has mentioned it in this thread so far. To put it briefly; if he continues editing in the way he has been, I won't be surprised if ban proposals are put forward in the near future. I do hope that there will be a reform in his editing. Ncmvocalist (talk) 14:45, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Yeah, I know...I was kind of looking at it single-mindedly and didn't notice the other edits...I'm going to leave her a note on her page...--Smashvilletalk 15:03, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Deleting BLP vio revisions from a large article[edit]

It might be a good idea for someone with more powers than me to delete Barack Obama and restore it minus the, uh contributions from Hyperkraz (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log). This is a problem for me because the article has over 5000 revisions. If the consensus is that these edits aren't worth the trouble, fair enough. SHEFFIELDSTEELTALK 22:04, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

I only see 2 from that user, and they were both reverted. What am I overlooking? Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 22:10, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
I would say they're not worth the trouble. There's probably far worse buried in the distant history of the article, like these edits will be in time. -- zzuuzz (talk) 22:14, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
(e/c) Yeah, two extremely nasty edits. Sheffield is suggesting the article be deleted and then all edits restored but for those two to remove them from the edit history. The problem is that when an article has this many edits, only users with certain privileges can delete them. Currently when you try to delete you get the message: "This page has a large edit history, over 5,000 revisions. Deletion of such pages has been restricted to prevent accidental disruption of Wikipedia."--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:16, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
I don't see the value. Anyone could vandalize anything at any time. And even the slanderous nature of the edits only speak to the idiot who wrote them, not to Obama. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 22:18, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Sure looks like a compromised account. Little Red Riding Hoodtalk 23:22, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Compromised? With ten contribs before the vandalism started, and some of them a bit unhelpful, it doesn't look like that to me. Oh well.

In other news, I have two editors complaining via email about being caught in a rangeblock, presumably because of my blocking Hyperkraz. These are Melromero (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log) who was actually blocked for 3RR, and DivineBurner (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log), who is apparently not blocked at all, including by an autoblock. What to do? SHEFFIELDSTEELTALK 00:18, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

WP:IPEXEMPT flag them. Exxolon (talk) 00:52, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
I couldn't find any rangeblocks recently issued by SheffieldSteel. How could a simple block of a registered account like Hyperkraz have had any effect on Melromero and DivineBurner? You could try asking these two editors to mail you the result of the exercise given in Template:Autoblock. I also don't see that you have hardblocked any IPs lately; that's the only other thing that comes to mind. EdJohnston (talk) 00:59, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
it may be related to the block made on User:AntiChauvinism. βcommand 01:45, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

This may be the time to wonder when the supposed "revision deleting feature" will come out – a proposition that, in my eyes at least, has grown to the legendary proportions that SUL once had before the devs finally got that feature in. It's always a pain to have to have to delete the entier article and check box all but diffs you want restored; it gets expoentially harder the older and more popular the article is. hbdragon88 (talk) 07:06, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

If they do introduce such a feature, it will take edit-warring to a new level. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 10:01, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

repeat range block needed, please - 189.192.xxx.xxx[edit]

This is a vandal-only user who has done nothing but be disruptive for quite a while. His/Her range has been blocked at least three times now, the most recent block lasting one month. Nothing seems to deter; as soon as the block ends, the nonsense edits begin again. Requesting yet another rangeblock.... please and thank you! - eo (talk) 10:03, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

IPs shown here: [5]
Last incident report here.
The necessary rangeblock is 189.192.0.0/16 - see [6]. Blocked for six months. fish&karate 10:48, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

SA on a WP:CANVAS tear[edit]

Nuvola apps edu languages.png Relevant discussion atWP:ANI#User:ScienceApologist

Uh, I'm an involved party, but geez. . . [7][8][9][10][11][12], etc. Ronnotel (talk) 16:05, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

I saw it come flying through my watchlist, we appear to be at 13 project and usertalk pages so far. Maybe he could consolidate to a single noticeboard thread at Fringe or here? MBisanz talk 16:06, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
I saw notes on OrangeMarlin's and MastCell's talk pages, and thought that was okay. But I think you're right that SA has overdone it a bit here. Has he been made aware of this thread? Probably just saying, "Hey, maybe not quite so much canvassing next time..." is probably all that needs to be done here. --Jaysweet (talk) 17:53, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
I would have done that first but I've been invited to stay the hell away from his page. Ronnotel (talk) 18:03, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Heh... Fair 'nuff. I notified ScienceApologist of this thread and echoed my sentiments above, that I thought the scope of his non-neutral notification was a bit excessive. Full disclosure: I am very sympathetic towards SA's efforts in general, and am somewhat of a ScienceApologist apologist. :D I do think he goes overboard sometimes, as he did here. Hopefully this can be resolved peacefully. Cheers! --Jaysweet (talk) 18:15, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
I don't mind the anti-anti-science stuff so much. It's the methods I take exception to. From his user page, he seems to think Inquisition v. Galileo should be reversed on appeal. ;) Ronnotel (talk) 18:20, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Ronnotel is a cold fusion sympathizer with a grudge against me that could eclipse the moon. The situation at Cold Fusion is dire and we need outside eyes to look at it. ScienceApologist (talk) 18:24, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

I believe the root of SA's frustration is that wp:fringe, although theoretically part of Wikipedia policy, actually has no force. The real policy is "the majority rules", and if the editors attempting to implement wp:fringe are not in the majority, the policy does not help them in any practical way. For those of us who see the policy as an essential part of building an encyclopedia, this is a pretty disappointing state of affairs. Looie496 (talk) 18:29, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

I'll say one more thing. If people think that made-up rules like "Hey, maybe not quite so much canvassing next time" make sense, then I can just as easily do it under-the-table from now on and just start e-mailing people privately. I thought it would be better to do things above the table, but if people are going to be dicks about it and entertain the complaints of heavily biased parties who have been nurturing vendettas against me for years, what alternative do I have? ScienceApologist (talk) 18:37, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Seems the test at wp:CANVAS is if the actions are disruptive. Does anybody see these actions as obviously disruptive to Wikipedia? These are short statements at neutral sights which illustrate a big NPOV concern (namely that fringe pushers are constantly reappearing to deconstruct valid previously established scientific consensuses... cold fusion is just one example). NJGW (talk) 18:41, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure I agree with your interpretation. The policy cites an ArbCom decision to the effect: "Often the dividing line is crossed when you are contacting a number of people who do not ordinarily edit the disputed article." I guess the question is whether the people being contacted are regular contributors to the Cold fusion page or not. Some of the contactees certainly are regular contributors, but by cross-posting to the various project pages, it seems possible, if not likely, that the ArbCom test might be met. I agree that there is a gray area here but I would like to familiarize SA with this interpretation so his future actions are in line with policy. Ronnotel (talk) 19:07, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
My understanding is that ScienceApologist perceives a situation where the regular contributors to this group of articles on a fringe science topic don't represent a balanced, neutral POV. The purpose of WP:CANVASS is surely not to discourage new participation from a broader range of editors in such a situation. Requesting contributions from relevant WikiProjects is, in general, a good way to encourage article edits from editors with an interest (and ideally, expertise) in the subject area. In the future SA should probably phrase his notices with a bit more tact, however, and avoid bringing his concerns to AN or AN/I unless administrator intervention is sought. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 19:52, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
As a general statement, posting brief requests for comments or notices of discussions on project talk pages is a good thing, in my opinion. It allows for all interested parties to be informed, and prevents the appearance of canvassing to specific of editors. -- Avi (talk) 20:00, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Posting neutral comments at WikiProjects is definitely okay. However, the comments of ScienceApologist (talk · contribs) were definitely not neutral.[13] He also appears to have been canvassing individual "friendly" editors with similar non-neutral language.[14][15][16][17][18][19][20][21] These actions are disruptive. --Elonka 20:31, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Please explain how the specific actions in this event are disruptive to the project or to the Cold fusion article. NJGW (talk) 20:51, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Guys, this is what WP:FTN was invented for. And it works OK - at least as well as individual messages on usertalk pages, and it raises a lot fewer hackles. I bet virtually every editor canvassed by SA watches the fringe theories noticeboard - just leave a note there. As a general principle I am uncomfortable with situations where dedicated proponents of a fringe theory outnumber more neutral editors, and I find this to be a recurring issue on Wikipedia. However, leaving a large number of individual talkpage notices is problematic for a number of reasons. Let's use the mechanisms we've designed specifically to address these sorts of issues - that is, WP:FTN. MastCell Talk 21:06, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Who reads those boards? I was just informed yesterday that WP:STALK was replaced by....I don't even remember, nor do I care. Cold Fusion is utter crap, I was in medical research when it was announced, and it was utter crap then, and it continues to be utter crap. I intend to watch the article, and if it's still crap, I'll ask anyone I damn well please to help out. I keep a list of crap, fringe-theory articles on my User talk page. I'll add Cold Fusion I guess. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 16:20, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Reply to Elonka. So, according to YOUR rules of all this, the best way to keep fringe content on this project is to stomp down on intelligent, scientific editors and suppress free speech. I get it, make sure to keep the fringe articles secret, so we scientific types can't find it. That's not going to work, and that is a very bad idea. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 16:22, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
I share OM's view and SA's of Cold Fusion, and I even share their view that the people with a less-than-scientific approach to it have dominated the article, but to send to multiple noticeboards is at best unsubtle. And what I see just above is a declaration of intent to ignore the canvassing rules. I consider the invocation of "free speech" in matters like this an analogy to Godwin's law. Mast Cell is right--we have a method that should eliminate the need for this sort of approach. DGG (talk) 22:31, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
It doesn't work that well, considering that Pcarbonn (a tendentious WP:SPA who has openly admitted to coming here in order to "correct" the real world's dismissal of cold fusion) has not resulted in any kind of sanctions despite a clear violation of WP:OWN, WP:UNDUE, WP:FRINGE and WP:BATTLE over many months. Guy (Help!) 06:55, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Pcarbonn has made a rather large number of edits to the page, namely 869[22] and further 987 to the talk page. The article has been rolled back to the version that was featured at least twice, there has been numerous threads on many notice boards, a meditation effort... nothing has changed and the topic comes up regularly. I think a topic ban both on the article itself and on the talk page for Pcarbonn would not go amiss here. – Sadalmelik 08:41, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Relevant prior WP:AN thread is here; I supported editing restrictions on Pcarbonn then, and I support one now, as he has in both word and deed prioritized the promotion of fringe ideas over the encyclopedia's mission and policies. I gave up when someone told me that my "agenda" - to help produce accurate, high-quality medical articles - was equivalent to Pcarbonn's agenda to use Wikipedia to raise the visibility and credibility of a fringe claim. That's when I decided that these noticeboards were essentially useless. But FWIW, yes, Pcarbonn should be on 1RR at best, and a complete restriction to the talk page of cold fusion would be most appopriate. MastCell Talk 16:42, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Original research on Ryu (Street Fighter)[edit]

  • An IP user keeps adding information to Ryu (Street Fighter) that is clearly original research. I would ask for the article to be protected, but I feel as though he's just not clear on the OR policies. But I can't contact him because his IP keeps shifting, and I have a feeling he wouldn't look at the talk page of the article. What's the best course of action here? JuJube (talk) 07:15, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Take it to talk anyway, which can't hurt. I don't see that the IP is being particularly aggressive, so it's not really something that needs administrative attention. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 15:18, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
If it were me, I would just request the page be semi-protected. An inability to edit would at least force him to sign up for an account, where you would be able to get his attention and discuss it on user talk pages. NeoChaosX (talk, edits) 17:49, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

User:GooglePedia12 again[edit]

GooglePedia12 (talk · contribs · logs) is back - not sure if this is relevant here or where I should put it. He's created Greek ethnic groups/subdivisions and Greek Ethnic Subdivisions plus Greek Ethnic Groups which are redirect pages to it. He's also added this to Romaniotes along with a basic change in the lead [23], Doug Weller (talk) 14:48, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Clear history of defamation and vandalism by 90.229.165.94[edit]

Resolved: Reverted two day old edit. Previous edits were a year ago. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 16:50, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

90.229.165.94 history shows a consistent record of vandalising wiki content with edits of an inappropriate and sexual nature. At least one edit is a clear incident of libel.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.22.14.204 (talkcontribs)

The forum for reporting of vandalism is thataway. Tan | 39 16:48, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Ban recommended[edit]

It is clear from all his edits that User talk:Loneshredder is a vandalism only account. I suggest an indefinite ban. I suspect the person is the same or is associated with the now banned User:Sillystring32. --BlackJack | talk page 16:46, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Indefinitely blocked by User:Spellcast. In the future, you can report vandalism-only accounts to WP:AIV. Ioeth (talk contribs friendly)
Okay, and thanks for doing the block. BlackJack | talk page 17:44, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

User:ItsLassieTime continued incivility and false accusations[edit]

Resolved: Official warning issued to ItsLassieTime

I first encounter User:ItsLassieTime back in February while editing the Lassie (1954 TV series). At first, she seemed like a good editor, new but ready to learn. I'm the one who welcomed her here, offered advice, etc. After in April, we came to a large disagreement over the Lassie articles (though I honestly can't remember why, and can't find anything specific to point to as the bone of contention). Anyway I walked away from most of the Lassie television articles doing only minor edits to a few film articles.[24] Lassie later claimed I "chased" her away from the article, but as can be clearly seen from its history, she continued to edit the article well into May before she apparently took a wikibreak.[25] She apparently returned to editing sometime in September. On October 2, I also started revisiting the Lassie articles. We came to another conflict over the Timmy Martin article. I tagged the article for issues and removed an inappropriate non-free image ItsLassieTime had added to the article.[26] ItsLassieTime quickly reverted. When I again removed, AGF, ItsLassieTime reverted again claiming "CEASE and DESIST! It is NOT your place to make decisions as to what this article should and should not include. L and R are referenced in the article. DO NOT DELETE THIS IMAGE WITHOUT CONSENSUS!"[27] Suffice to say, it all went downhill from there. She continued reverted when two other editors also removed the image, with similar edit summaries, and finally a 3RR was filed against her after she reverted 5 times.[28] User:Master of Puppets gave her a warning for the report and encouraged her to stop. Attempted discussion on the talk page frankly went to hell in a hand basket very quickly.

ItsLassieTime began throwing out slews of personal insults, and when other editors supported the image removal she accused me of sockpuppetry! Things spread around to the Television project talk page, Master of Puppets page (see User talk:Master of Puppets#ItsLassieTime and User talk:Master of Puppets#Lassie Articles), and two AfD pages I had done for the Ruth Martin (television character)[29] and Paul Martin (television character)[30] articles. ItsLassieTime began making false accusations that I was stalking her, acting down right hysterical despite the claims being completely unfounded and, quite frankly, BS. She also began displaying extremely WP:OWN over the Timmy article, reverting almost any edit I made, including edits to bring the article in-line with the MoS claiming she will do her own formats. This also spread to Lassie film articles, including Courage of Lassie in which another heated "discussion" occured at Talk:Courage of Lassie#CEASE AND DESIST!!!!! and Talk:Courage of Lassie#DO NOT!!!!! where she absolutely refused to allow the Film MoS to be applied. She even went back and removed validly sourced edits I'd made to The Painted Hills months ago. She also AfDed some Shakespearean characters in some kind of retaliatory/pointy action because of the two character AfDs I did (no idea why she did those).[31][32]

Master of Puppets gave her some mild warnings and offered to mediate,but nothing was really done and while he was on a wikibreak, things only got worse. User:Cf38 also attempted to mediate, to no avail. I finally got so disgusted with her attacks and the lack of admin intervention that I delisted every Lassie article from my watchlist except the List of Lassie episodes and its season pages, which I had created. This seemed the only way to get away from her attacks and to bring some false of peace to the world. Alas, today she added a template she had created Template:Baby Boomer Toys to Charlotte's Web. Seeing the template, I felt it was not a good template to have, so I removed it from the article and sent it to TfD. Unfortunately, that again opened the floodgates for ItsLassieTime to begin her wild accusations, personal attacks, and outright lies.[33][34]

I let her get away with all this before and just walked away, but frankly I'm tired of her lies, her defamation of my character, and her manner of throwing massive hissy fits to get her way and chase everyone off articles. I'd really like an admin to look at this situation and deal with things accordingly (and before she even says anything, yes I referred to her as a "psychotic-Lassie fan" because of her over the top reactions to this whole thing and out of frustration from her constant personal attacks). She has also claimed in the current TfD that she has no problems with other editors, but her own talk page shows otherwise, if you look back at the comments she's carefully removed so that only the ones she likes remain. She was warned about being too bold in her edits, for making page moves without consensus[35] and for ignoring established consensus on infobox usage[36]-- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 20:10, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Jeez, what a complicated situation. In a ten minute walk through Lassie's contribs, it seems at face value that a few things are apparent. First, I really wish she would use an edit summary once in awhile. Second, overreaction is definitely a trend here, a lot of the time in the guise of complaints and admin-shopping. Third, it's not exactly clear that you are totally unfaulted here either, Collectonian - other people have complained about you recently, also. I am unable to come to a clear course of action. Tan | 39 20:23, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
I'll admit I shouldn't have let her goad me into edit warring or responding in kind to her personal attacks (though for me, I did keep my tone down far better than she did). And yes, I get complained about. *shrug* I do a lot of vandal fighting and deal with some contentious issues at times. I can even be abrasive and blunt at times. Now, as far as I know, I haven't been reported to AN/I in a long time, unless I was never notified. As for my talk page, there is ONE dispute on there at the moment, and that was after that editor and another got into an extremely heated back and forth and I, foolishly, asked them both to step back and calm down, so I got attacked for it as well. And, as far as I know, I've never had to resort to lying to attempt to make myself look the victim in any dispute. Either way, that does not mean I have no less right not to deal with such extended and extreme personal attacks repeatedly. If I cross the line, I get warned. I keep crossing it, I would certainly get stronger warnings and maybe a block. She has never really even been warned, but practically indulged and allowed to continue this mess for a lengthy period of time. And now she's taking to calling me "Collie" which would seem to be a sneaky way of calling me something else.-- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 20:31, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


  • I read about 4 or 5 lines above and I decided not to bother with the rest. Yawn. Collie has a difficult time getting along with people and she's been sneaking around behind me for some time -- ie, reverting my work 2 minutes after I've saved a page that I spent a long time composing, accidentally on purpose creating edit conflicts, following me from one article to the next, nominating for deletion two articles I spent considerable time upon (she was shot down by WP consensus on those), and nasty nasty nasty ... *sigh* It's all so sad. Such a waste of time. So detrimental to WP. Collie can't get along with people. BTW, she has a nasty note about me at the top of her User Page and I wish an admin would remove it and tell her to behave herself. If you notice I have nothing nasty about her on my User Page. I stay away from her but she comes looking for me with an "it's all in the line of WP duties." Good little soldier that she is. I'll let the admins take care of this one. I don't want to get involved. I have enough headaches in my life without all this silly stuff. Maybe I should be banned forever. I don't know. I'm sort of new here and I don't know ALL the back-stage stuff yet. I'd rather go about my editing and trying to do some good work for WP. Is there a way I can hide my "contributions" so she doesn't know where I am or what I'm doing? Thanks! ItsLassieTime (talk) 20:36, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Can you point out this "nasty note"? I was unable to locate it. Tan | 39 20:44, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
I've already self-edited it.[37] It was the note I mentioned in my initial report, and frankly, considering the pages of insults she's thrown at me, it isn't that hideous (though, of course, I should have bitten my virtual tongue). -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 20:45, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Tan -- The note is gone. She must have dumped it. ItsLassieTime (talk) 20:48, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, I'm inclined to give both editors official warnings to remain civil and to assume good faith in each other. While one side may be more "in the right" than the other, the situation is too complicated and subjective to judge any other way. Also, all either editor would have to do to avoid any further action is simply abide by the warning. However, seeing as I'm the only admin who has taken the time (sigh) to look into both editor's editing history, I'd like to get a second opinion and/or endorsement of this course of action. Tan | 39 20:50, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

  • I just want her to stay away from me. I notice she's involved in a long long long Arbitration dispute of some sort and I DON'T want to get involved in that sort of thing! When I think of all the time spent on those rebuttals, accusations, evidence, reviews of edit histories, etc. I cringe. All that time could have been used improving articles on WP! ItsLassieTime (talk) 20:56, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
I already walked away from all the Lassie articles. What else do you want. You are the one who edited an article anyone could see I edit on, so you came after me this time. And despite all your "OMG she's stalking me" I've yet to see you produce evidence. Note my report above includes evidence to support my statements. You, however, are incapable of proving that I'm "stalking" you because I'm not. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 22:07, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Based on the userid alone, I'd be concerned about WP:OWN by lassie when it comes to Lassie articles. Let's focus on the complaint (and obvious lack of following policy on even minor things like edit summaries) by the SPA. -t BMW c- 23:20, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Ditto the WP:OWN concern...along with the completely uncivil response to a complaint about their civility..."I read about 4 or 5 lines above and I decided not to bother with the rest. Yawn." Seriously? --Smashvilletalk 23:40, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
  • And while we're talking about Courage of Lassie, I'd like all to look at the Revision history of Courage of Lassie. Collie last touched the article 24 April 08. I first touched the article 19 October 08, at which time the article was a stub of three or four sentences (see edit by Otto4711 on 12 Oct 08). Now it gets good: at 4:36 I did at bit of editing and "Saved Page". At 4:38 (all of two minutes later) Collie flew in from out of nowhere to "edit" my work and leave snotty comments in the edit summary! At one point, she created an edit conflict causing me to lose my work. It's an "ownership" stunt on her part, ie, she hasn't touched an article in months, then returns to the article a half year later to claim "ownership" by edit warring and edit conflicting when another editor does a bit of work. Another "ownership" stunt is to revert/delete another editor's good faith work and identify it as vandalism in the edit summary. ItsLassieTime (talk) 09:14, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
At this point, without even looking at your account history, I can see you're new to Wikipedia. First, Collectonian (I'm not sure if they appreciate your shortening their name to match Lassie's breed) was the SECOND editor of the article after it was created. Many users use the "WATCH" function in order to be notified of changes to "favourite" articles. Your edit would have therefore advised Collectonion of that change, so "flying in" is more of a "hey, something apparently changed...". There appears to have been a significant number of edits and arguments about "trivia" or "unsourced" statements - these do not belong in Wikipedia. Finally, you say you "lost all of your hard work due to an edit conflict." When an edit conflict occurs, you are provided 2 windows: the first has the CURRENT version of the article, and the lower one includes the edits you ATTEMPTED to make. You then have the chance to compare the 2, copy and paste any edits you consider to still be valid into the current article. NONE of your work was lost. May I also add, most of your edits have poor summaries-they need to explain what you did. Many of the edits say "tweak", and are minor...may I remind you of the "Preview" button, that will allow you to see your changes BEFORE you apply them to the article. -t BMW c- 10:42, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Yes, I know Collie was the second editor after the article was created. I learned that after the "edit war" started. But if I'd known that BEFORE I began editing I never would have touched Courage of Lassie. It was a bleak little stub of three or four sentences when I ran across it and I thought at the least I could add an Infobox, a pic, and a bit of material about the film from Ace Collins's Lassie: a Dog's Life. Whew! did I open a can of worms! Anyway .... WP allows "trivia" and "miscellanea" in developing film articles. I pointed that out to Collie some-a-wheres. Anyway it's in the film guidelines. The idea is this: the data will be moved to an appropriate place as the article expands and develops. Besides, my stuff was sourced and I didn't consider it trivia anyway. Who is she to delete some else's date because SHE considers it trivia. Trivia is allowed in developing film articles. I began writing "tweaked" in the edit summary because I believe Collie or another editor was doing somewheres and I copied the style. I use it when I do something simple like rephrase a sentence or two. I don't remember now where I noted it, probably in one of the Lassie articles, several of the articles were deleted. I'm not going back through extensive edit histories to find it. I scan and copy like the editor mentions below but at that particular moment I guess I forget to do so. My bad. I should have known (the article being a Lassie article) that someone else was lurking about. ItsLassieTime (talk) 20:09, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
I don't know about your PC, but on mine that feature doesn't work. Therefore, I always do a scan-and-copy of text I've been working on, before hitting "save". Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 11:00, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Firefox baby!!! Although it always worked on Internet Exploder too on any PC I used - Dell, HP, Toshiba, eMachines, MyNeighbourBuiltInHisBasement ... -t BMW c- 12:06, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
I also works for me on IE 6 on all my comps as well as Firefox. Maybe something to do with the skin you are using? -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 13:34, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm using the default skin, whatever it is. I'll check again the next time I have an edit conflict, and see if the problem still exists or if it works now. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 13:44, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Personally, I use my epidermis. --Smashvilletalk 13:46, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Yes, that would be your default skin. Unless you've recently emerged from a burn unit. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 13:49, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Let me be Frank. Hi, I'm Frank. Every time you call her "Collie", you are being uncivil. She told you above to stop calling her "Collie". Watchlisting has been explained to you, but considering this is a complaint about your civility and bad faith assumptions, it would be in your best interests in this discussion to actually be civil and not assume bad faith. It's kind of like going into a trial for armed robbery and holding up the jury... --Smashvilletalk 13:26, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
  • As mentioned elsewhere I call her Collie to save keystrokes. If I intended to insult her by calling her a dog, it would be spelled with a lower case "C" -- like this: collie. No incivility is intended. I have arthritis and I'm simply saving keystrokes and thus some finger pain. ItsLassieTime (talk) 20:09, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, but I'm calling BS on that. You are calling me it to be insulting. Collie is in no way at all a valid shortening of Collectonian. Not at all. And considering your extremely lengthy, and frequently reedited rants against me, claiming you are trying to save keystrokes doesn't fly. You are deliberately referring to me as a dog despite your being asked (and told) to stop it. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 20:11, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
So Frank is Jake with you, right? So, listen, Jake - things could be worse: at least nobody brought up the reference to "Lassie" in that landmark comedy classic film Porky's. Until now. :) Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 13:30, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
I prefer Laddie. --Smashvilletalk 13:42, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
I prefer Kim Cattrall, who played "Lassie" in Porky's. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 13:47, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
"Another "ownership" stunt is to revert/delete another editor's good faith work and identify it as vandalism in the edit summary." - for the curious, before she edited this, she specifically named the Disney vandal here. Yeah, a well known vandal of three Wikipedia's is "good faith work." Try reading for context before you keep making such false statements. And, as Frank noted, I've asked you repeatedly to stop calling me Collie. Its blatantly obvious you intend it to be insulting and its rather petty of you to keep doing it just because you know it annoys me. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 13:34, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
  • No, no, no. She pulled the stunt on me several times in the past. She would delete my material two seconds after I posted it and write "reported as VANDALISM" in the edit summary. I don't remember where. Several Lassie articles about individual episodes were deleted. Maybe it was there. I interpreted her actions then as attempt to "scare me off" the article and calim "ownership". VANDALISM is dfasfshagihafgiafgagafghadfughadfughauasdoaoriwotiwgoj and other such nonsense and mischief. Good faith editing is not vandalism. Editing the Lassie articles with Collie perched over them on a minute by minute basis has been absolute H-E-double hockey sticks. ItsLassieTime (talk) 20:09, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Hmm, this edit actually is pretty telling. Although, to be frank again...my name's not really Frank... :) --Smashvilletalk 13:42, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
That's right, another stunt is to go back and edit your original edits on ANI, completely changing the context after other people have already replied. -t BMW c- 14:44, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
(outdent) Backing the truck up for a moment ... I just had a bad feeling in the pit of my stomach. Did I not see a statement by Lassie about an arbitration action involving Collectonian? This is an awfully new user to have understood arbcom rulings, and the timing is just faaarrr to close to the closure of that specific arbcom case. Just sayin... -t BMW c- 14:55, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I did find it odd that she was talking about it being such a "long drawn out process" (kinda funny too, cause the ArbCom in this case went very quickly). Though, to be fair, it was mentioned on my user page, though she "accidentally" misread it to presume that someone had taken action against me instead of visa versa. I do find it the timing rather interesting, though...and the accusations of me being a stalker in view of what the ArbCom was about...-- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 15:10, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
It's especially funny when she (I assume ILT is a she) tries to throw the fact that you've been involved in an ArbCom case against you when you were the one who started the process. It doesn't really feel related to me, though... --Smashvilletalk 15:36, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
I noticed the ArbCom case on her User Page preceding a nasty comment she made about me on her page so I checked it out. I think she called me a "psycho-Lassie editor" or something like that. She removed the comment when I "threatened" to bring it to the attention of an admin. How childish -- making snotty little remarks about others on your User Page. I call her Collie to save key strokes, not to diminish her importance. I have arthritis. "Collie" isn't intended as an WP incivility. ItsLassieTime (talk) 19:31, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
If you are able to type out every other word in your responses and every word in your accusations against her and make arguments in your bad faith AfD nominations, you can type out her username. We're not naive here. Also, you keep harping back to the "psycho-Lassie editor" comment as if she is trying to hide it...if you would have actually read what she wrote instead of just playing the victim, she admitted to making the edit on this thread in her initial post. --Smashvilletalk 20:30, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Okay, I did my best to assume good faith in both editors, and having watched this unfold, I'm ready to issue an official warning to ItsLassieTime to cease all personal attacks, veiled or not, against AnmaFinotera. The victimized attitude displayed is misleading at best and outright deceptive at worst. Collectonian is not completely in the clear here, and she herself should steer clear of resorting to any sorts of attacks or edit warring with ItsLassieTime, but at the moment I'm inclined to side with her - as are most non-involved editors and administrators who chimed in above. Any further disruption of Wikipedia in line with the issues above may result in a stronger warning, sanctions, or an outright block. Tan | 39 20:15, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
I'd say this constitutes an acknowledgement of the warning. Tan | 39 20:36, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
I'd go one step further. There's no reason to go up the tree here. She should know that incivility and attacks are not tolerated...I have no problem with her trying to work collaboratively with Collectonian, but the next bad faith assumption/attack should warrant a little time away from Wikipedia. After this entire discussion, there'd be no reason to warn again - she's fully aware...and warnings of sterner warnings aren't really a deterrent. --Smashvilletalk 20:44, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Improper non-admin closure of AFD[edit]

Resolved: Request withdrawn. henriktalk 12:11, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

User:Scott MacDonald, having contributed to the AfD debate, expressing a Strong Delete opinion, and with opinions pretty evenly divided has closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Georgina Baillie, moved the article to Russell Brand prank calls row, and radically changed the content of the article to be about the event rather than the person. This would appear to be a case of "I have decided that BLP1E applies, and it doesn't matter what others think".

Could an admin revert the page move, and re-open the AfD, to allow it to run its course. Mayalld (talk) 11:13, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

That's seriously wonky - the AFD ran for one day and looked to be heading for "no consensus" at that stage --Cameron Scott (talk) 11:17, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
This is now a major UK news story involving the Prime Minister and the BBC. What wikipedia had was a dreadful little bio dreading up tabloid tittle-tattle on the victim, and including dreadful lines like "Quotes purportedly from Baillie in rival tabloid newspapers have both denied[2] and confirmed[3] this claim. [That she'd had sex with Russel Brand]". I'm afraid I took bold bold action in the spirit of BLP, and left us with a far superior article as Russell Brand prank calls row. I also confirm that I am the administrator previously known as Doc glasgow, and perfectly willing to invoke the arbcom's special BLP provisions if required. I apologise if I didn't follow all due process rules.--Scott MacDonald (talk) 11:21, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Endorse closure. This girl does not require a Wikipedia article. Moreschi (talk) 11:22, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
  • I don't see any worries with this. Please let me know if I'm missing something, though. Gwen Gale (talk) 11:24, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Strongly endorse, and please note that Doc glasgow is an administrator, regardless of whether he's currently using the non-admin account Scott MacDonald or not. Therefore, he is entitled to and authorised to invoke the Footnoted quotes remedy as any other administrator is. Daniel (talk) 11:26, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Is there some policy that I'm not aware of that allows an admin to walk away from his admin account, set up a new account, then suddenly decide that because it's handy to be an admin today, he's an admin again. Right to vanish is one thing, but having vanished, you can't just unvanish on a whim. How is this different from sockpuppetry? Mayalld (talk) 11:34, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Sockpuppetry has to do with undisclosed alternate accounts being used to mislead or skirt a block/ban, which I see no hint of here. Gwen Gale (talk) 11:41, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Not so fast. I don't see any hint on the Scott MacDonald page that that user ID is an alternate ID of an admin. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 11:46, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Doc (I think?) scrambled his password and stopped using that other account months ago. He was not de-sysoped. He did the move and non-admin close as Scott MacDonald. I think Daniel may have meant that Scott MacDonald still has the experience, knowledge and trust of his admin past, even if he no longer wards the bit. Gwen Gale (talk) 11:50, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Then User:Daniel muddied the waters with his comment. He and MacDonald need to explain themselves. I agree with the move, but they need to explain the user ID situation. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 11:56, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
I don't think they do. I don't recall that Doc asked for RTV and he only deleted his user page, which he had done many times before, but left his talk page history for all to see. Again, he did this non-admin AfD close wholly as Scott MacDonald and hasn't edited from his old account in 6 months. Gwen Gale (talk) 11:58, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
MacDonald and yourself explained anyway. And it was not really an admin action, so User:Daniel kind of sent us astray on this one. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 12:45, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Hardly. I said that he was allowed to use this should he feel the need to (see his initial comment in this thread), as he is an administrator, albeit editing with an alternate (disclosed) account. Daniel (talk) 13:11, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
He was not acting in an Admin capacity, though, so that doesn't seem to be relevant. And where in the MacDonald user page does it "disclose" that he also has an Admin account? Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 13:15, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Since when were radical changes and pagemoves disallowed during AfDs? — Werdna • talk 11:27, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

The action taken by this user has had the practical net effect of deleting the article that was the subject of an AfD, despite the fact that the AfD had no consensus. Mayalld (talk) 11:34, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Yes, exactly. Good thing too. Doc being right lets him out of having dot all the i's and cross all the t's. Moreschi (talk) 11:38, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
The article wasn't deleted, it was redirected to the new article. So anyone looking for the story using the name of the granddaughter (who is not the story) will be redirected to the prank (which is the story). The move was wholly appropriate. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 11:41, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
It also good to point out that BLP supersedes AFD. WP:BLP is pretty clear on the point that, in the case of potentially bad biographies, discussion should take place afterwards, rather than before any action is taken. As it is, the article wasn't deleted - it was moved, so... Ale_Jrbtalk 11:44, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

(undent) OK, I give up. Clearly others disagree with me (and possibly the AfD would have resulted in the article being deleted in any case). Doesn't mean that I like the way this was done, but I really can't be bothered arguing this one any more. Mayalld (talk) 11:49, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


To clear up the bit about me being an admin, technically I am an admin and was never desysopped. However, I no longer use that account, and haven't particularly either declared or denied the link. Since I'm only using one account, I can't be gaming anything, can I? Actually, in this case it isn't really relevant who I am, as I did nothing that any user can't do. The only reason I mentioned that I technically have admin status is that someone was screaming "non-admin close". On reflection, I can't really see why that matters. If it needs a deletion, then it needs an admin, otherwise any action is either good or bad, the status of the user doing it isn't very relevant.--Scott MacDonald (talk) 11:57, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Yep. Gwen Gale (talk) 12:00, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
While the move was appropriate, it could have been handled better. However, the article itself could have been handled better. Some deletionist posted it to AFD, whereas the story was notable enough that deleting the story was inappropriate. So it should have been nominated for a move rather than a delete. Unfortunately, once it went to AFD, (almost) everyone was thinking save-or-delete rather than move. Blinders on. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 12:02, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
It's ok to boldly move an article in good faith during an AfD and let's not forget that WP:BLP trumps all. Gwen Gale (talk) 12:05, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
OK, I get it. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 12:13, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
I thought WP:IAR and the right bower trumped all? -t BMW c- 12:10, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
In this case Scott MacDonald trumps all. :) Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 12:13, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Yes he does :) What's the right bower? Gwen Gale (talk) 12:15, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
He's a card. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 12:21, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
What an etymology (way down the page). Gwen Gale (talk) 12:31, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Yeh, it seems to come from "bauer", a peasant, i.e. the "knave". And all those words seem to be kind of connected to each other. English - the verbal virus. :) Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 12:43, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Since the AfD was closed in a fairly irregular way (by a non-admin account, a user who !voted in the AfD and within only one day of the AfD being opened), I think it would be beneficial if an admin who had not !voted in the AfD adds an endorsing statement for the closure to the AfD page. E.g. one of the admins who have commented above in this thread could do that. This could spare us some problems later, if somebody tries to undo the changes made to the article as a result of the AfD (I had seen something like that happen in at least one other case). Also, it might be a good idea for an admin to look at the history log of the article ans see if a portion of that history log might need to be deleted for BLP reasons. Nsk92 (talk) 13:01, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
I disagree. We don't need to do any rediculous formalisms. The end result has been agreed as the desired end by WP:CONSENSUS and since Wikipedia is not a bureaucracy, there is no need to jump through any hoops. The current state of affairs is the consensus desired result, there is no reason for any admin to "add" their approval to a result to make it more "official". Admins don't have any special weight added to their opinions, and there is no impending need to leave any note that would imply otherwise... --Jayron32.talk.contribs 16:38, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Will this AFD ever be cited as an example of allowed procedure? Probably never, but an administrator endorsement has value for future readers. Unnecessary process wonkery is reverting the closure. 20:55, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Talk pages of banned users[edit]

This [38] is nasty personal attacks and trolling at best, and probably implicit blackmail. Why on earth is this guy allowed to post to a talk page? I'm not going to even mention his name, but can someone blank and protect this, then we can forget he exists.--Scott MacDonald (talk) 16:06, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

I was actually about to ask for a similar thing. Is there a reason not to protect his talk page? --Conti| 16:10, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Protected. NawlinWiki (talk) 16:28, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Going further, is there any reason not to delete that talk page?--Jac16888 (talk) 16:32, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
I think blanking should be enough. --Conti| 16:38, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Blanking is enough. Can someone do it?--Scott MacDonald (talk) 16:49, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Since no one seems to object, I've gone ahead and blanked the page. --Conti| 21:20, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

William S. Burroughs[edit]

Trouble at the William S. Burroughs page has led one editor to rampage see attack on [39]and see my talk page edits [40] by User:72.154.191.175. CU on editor responsible for this diff [41] might be wise as this is the content that is being continuously added against other editors wishes. See also [42]. I note an older block on user here [43] Opiumjones 23 (talk) 08:35, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

I posted a warning on the IP's user page. If he does this again, you should post another warning. Then if he does it again right away, go to WP:AIV and ask for help. That's the game you have to play with these IP's, unless you find an admin willing to block on-sight. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 09:59, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
See also [44] Opiumjones 23 (talk) 00:34, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Banned user[edit]

There's an anon user 66.192.195.193 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) edit warring on a number of articles. I believe this is Hetoum I (talk · contribs) evading the arbcom imposed parole. The anon edit warring on the article Sisak (eponym), removing the same referenced info as 216.165.12.126 (talk · contribs · WHOIS), which is a sock of User:Bursteam (see user page of IP and his block log: [45]), a known sock of Hetoum I. Urgent attention of admins is required. Grandmaster (talk) 17:43, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

CU  Confirmed Bursteam (talk · contribs) = 216.165.12.126 (talk · contribs)
 Likely Bursteam (talk · contribs) = 66.192.195.193 (talk · contribs), Jehochman has already blocked this IP for 48 hours. RlevseTalk 23:54, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Good faith linkspammer[edit]

After deleting a blog link from a music-related article, I went through the submissions of contributions (who added it) and noticed that his contributions are almost 100% adding links to the blog of one "Dr. Avior Byron". The username and blog owner indicate the same person. I left a couple warnings on his talk page.

Well, he left a polite reply on my talk page defending his actions, so I looked over his most recent edit. To my surprise, the article Pierrot Lunaire#References contains not only a link to his blog, but also a link to an academic journal article he wrote.

Wikipedia:External links#Links normally to be avoided says to avoid links to blogs except those written by a recognized authority. And looking over his blog and his published article, this fellow may indeed be a recognized authority in the field of musicology, and linkspamming his blog all over Wikipedia's musicology-related articles may actually be enhancing the articles.

Any advice? Should I just leave him be? There aren't any clear guidelines. On one hand, he's got a conflict of interest and doesn't contribute much but his links. On the other hand, if he's an authority on the subject, and he happens to run a blog, then the links may be OK. ~Amatulić (talk) 19:03, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

I run into this all the time, and always handle it the same way: revert all the links and give a warning. If the user asks questions, give a brief friendly explanation of the policy, and say that the only acceptable way to add an unusual link is to discuss it on the talk page of the article first and get consensus. If the user puts back the links, come here and ask for a block. (You can look at User talk:Bishopclinics for the most recent case I've dealt with.) Looie496 (talk) 19:10, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
I personally think the Lunaire link is fine, since he actually does look to be somewhat educated on the subject. However, I believe that the addition of the links to such broad topics as Graduate school, Book review, European Research Council and Postgraduate education should be avoided. --Smashvilletalk 19:15, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Yes, that's what I thought too. I'll leave the musicology-related links alone, but revert and warn for the others. He's up to level 3 warnings now. ~Amatulić (talk) 19:21, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
If this fellow seems to be an expert in his field, you may want to advise him (gently and politely) to start contributing content rather than just links to articles. Maybe point him towards a relevant wikiproject. 131.111.223.43 (talk) 01:57, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Carmen Miranda[edit]

Resolved: User:Crazyaboutlost blocked a week for edit warring

One of the lamer edit wars now centers on this well-known Brazilian (though Portuguese-born) singer/entertainer, who one user insists as identifying as strictly Portuguese. [46] Yes, this looks like a content dispute, except the one user, User:Crazyaboutlost, who keeps pushing this view is violating consensus of several users and hence is being disruptive. He hasn't quite broken 3RR yet - today. He was suspended previously for so doing. His edits in general, judging by his history [47] tend to be contentious. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 21:08, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Now he's violated 3RR, and I'm right at it, so I'm done reverting. I believe his efforts to be vandalism, but others might not agree, so that's as far as I can go. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 21:14, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Blocked for a week, because earlier, he did the exact same thing on the exact same article and earned a previous block that expired only a day or two ago. --barneca (talk) 21:16, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Muito obrigado! Someone needs to look at his other shenanigans. His user page suggests he's very pro-Portuguese, and he may just be trying to identify anything remotely Portuguese as being definitively Portuguese. But his approach is over the line. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 21:26, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Big fat support. --Smashvilletalk 21:18, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Beat me to it. Gwen Gale (talk) 21:22, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Well-done. Opinoso (talk) 21:23, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Might want to add the block template, just for safety...--Smashvilletalk 21:30, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Come on people. I only added information. He was the one who was removing. I only added that she was portuguese (since she was born in Portugal and never got double citizenship neither brazilian citizenship). I did not remove any part of the article.201.10.36.228 (talk) 21:34, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Hey-hey! Something else to block. Who wants it? I'm not an admin or I would do it myself. But I'm just a pawn in the game of life. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 21:36, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
I win! But seriously...3RR is pretty straightforward. More than 3 is a block. Not that difficult a concept --Smashvilletalk 21:37, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
I could have taken him to 3RR, but this seemed to go beyond routine 3RR's. He's basically arguing for giving a technicality undue weight, against consensus. The article already states, in the very next sentence, that she was born in Portugal. However, she was known as the Brazilian Bombshell. Hence she was a Brazilian entertainer, not a Portuguese entertainer. Now I think I'll go watch Slick Hare, with its Carmen Miranda cameo. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 21:45, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
No Porky's? --Smashvilletalk 23:38, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Nah, just Porky and Daffy. Alas, Kim Cattrall never appeared in a WB cartoon. :( Baseball Bugs