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Need page protection[edit]


Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection#Pink_Taco_.28edit.7Ctalk.7Chistory.7Clinks.7Cwatch.7Clogs.29 ongoing WP:BLP, POV, unsourced, not RS from IPs in block. Sorry for the crosspost but RPP is backlogged. Gerardw (talk) 02:38, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Looks like two of us semi-protected at the same time. In any case, it's done. --John (talk) 02:47, 11 May 2011 (UTC)


I need administrative attention concerning an editor User:Mtking who has been trying to prevent me from completing two articles that I created. I just started and 5 minutes later he is tagging the page with no regard to policy for explanation, attempts to edit war with me, and has been distracting me for hours over issues concerning an article that is listed as under-construction. You can read the whole thing on his talk page [1] This guy's biting is out of control! --Rainman64 (talk) 08:14, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Also pretty sure this guy just did something to my internet... Is this Wikipedia or a battlefield???--Rainman64 (talk) 08:30, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
Also appears that he has help from other editors... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rainman64 (talkcontribs) 08:35, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
It should also be noted that a editor by the name of GoodVac is acting along with MtKing [what reason they are trying their best to have me blocked just for editing a simple article]. Is there something here that I don't know?--Rainman64 (talk) 09:05, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
User:Mtking has continued in constant disruptive editing in order to prevent me from make these articles stable. I've been trying to work with the guy but he is doing everything in his power to get the pages down before they were technically up for one reason or another. I really don't know what going on here but I need some serious help here.--Rainman64 (talk) 08:48, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
That wrong Goodvac. First from the links I posted before on you and Mtking its safe to say you don't exactly have a unbias opinion here. Second, Mtking did everything wrong for start... He shouldn't have tag these articles that quickly... he did both in 1 minute. You can't read both in a minute or check the sources! He shouldn't have overtagged the page... plus, he should have said something in detail about what actually in the article was the problems... you know for example... this paragraph here sounds like or word there makes this look like. That way I could at least correct exact what the problem was. But had me doing guess work on things that might be giving off those impressions. I asked him repeatedly to explain and never added to the talk page or gave any detail of his view. In addition, every time I added or made changes to the article to improve it I assume that would do the job for the tags but he kept posting it back on the page without explanation... he was clearly baiting me into somekind of edit-war, but he didn't know I was reading the previous post from his talk page. They mentioned bitey and the link and I went from there.--Rainman64 (talk) 10:03, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
Come on Goodvac, I did most of these pages in the preview edit option I post it to save and start doing the rest of the research and writing, but while I was 5 minutes later I'm debates with him over issues that I was still working on. So I post the under-construction sign to let him know to give time and patience but he obviously couldn't handle that. Look at this guy's history he goes around deleting article after article. He's doing so right now... so when he came upon the ones I was doing he wanted the same thing for them. I tried to do things like Wikipedia states so I asked him help me improve the articles and he just wasn't interested in helping, only deleting. Right now I have information that verifies the notability of Paul Dorian linked to the article. I also pointed this out to Mtking, but he went for delete anyway without completing the discussion with me. I'm sorry but what he did was very wrong. The least he could have do was withdraw the deletion on the grounds of the new evidence and help gather more but like I said before that's not his goal.Rainman64 (talk) 10:22, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

As for the articles let's talk Notability policy. I'm not finished with these articles, I was interrupted very early in its development. However, there is at least one obviously notable fact on both. That Dorian and the company are currently listed among Silicon Valley's Top 40 under 40 according to the Business Journal.[1] That is an honor and achievement of which they were nominated and received credit for from a nationally respected business publication.

So my question is... If policy on Wikipedia states that "the person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for one several times." is considered notable then shouldn't their honor above prove a level of notability enough to stop or delay deletion?Rainman64 (talk) 10:42, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Without commenting on the merits of the particular article here, a lesson I learned long ago is generally not to develop an article in mainspace. Set up a sandbox or create it first as a subpage of your user page. Work on it there in relative peace, polish it up until it is ready for release into mainspace, then release it. The better an article you can write, the less likely it is to get tagged. Mjroots (talk) 13:02, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
I kinda wish someone would answer my question... Also I noticed something untrue on this deletion page that Mtking is try to claim as fact.... So let's set the record straight, I'm not Paul Dorian and this account isn't one purpose.... these articles just happened to be my first edits that User:Mtking is trying to use to in his own favor. I have no conflicts of interest besides the fact that I want to close Mtking's account. After all he seems to be trying everything possible to close mine. Plus, he recklessly ignored WP:NPP that says that "Tagging anything other than attack pages, copyvios, vandalism or complete nonsense only a few minutes after creation is not likely to be constructive and may only serve to annoy the page author." Check out his User talk:Mtking; he ignored every attempt to work with me... and all this happened in just a few hours... starting 5 minutes after I started writing these articles. At this point I'm interested in making sure this guy gets justice on him for toxic behavior. Rainman64 (talk) 13:51, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/UIS (company) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

  • comment - this just seems like a overspill content issue. I don't see as Rainman has done anything wrong and as a newish user creating content he requires more assistance than anything else. The articles have been nominated for deletion so lets see how it goes. Should the two AFD discussions be merged into one like that? Please ease up on the WP:BITE and WP:COI stuff, many users come and write stuff they are closely connected to - its not a wiki-crime and actually is the way a large part of the wikipedia got written. I suggest ya all take a step back and focus on the content. Off2riorob (talk) 14:15, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
  • comment looks like MtKing is a new user him/herself? This account only goes back to March 2011. MajorTsoris (talk) 06:16, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Need page protection[edit]


Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection#Pink_Taco_.28edit.7Ctalk.7Chistory.7Clinks.7Cwatch.7Clogs.29 ongoing WP:BLP, POV, unsourced, not RS from IPs in block. Sorry for the crosspost but RPP is backlogged. Gerardw (talk) 02:38, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Looks like two of us semi-protected at the same time. In any case, it's done. --John (talk) 02:47, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

BLP issues at Tommy Norment - sanity check[edit]

An IP editor has been repeatedly adding a paragraph of negative content to a BLP article on a Virginia politician, Tommy Norment. My analysis is that the content is an improper synthesis as well as violating WP:NPOV and WP:BLP. The one legitimate source he uses does not actually support the proposition he cites it for. My inclination was to revert the edit again and block the user for BLP and edit warring violations. However, as there is some attempt to source this content, I thought I would come here for a sanity check before I crossed the 3RR Rubicon myself.--Kubigula (talk) 05:44, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Reverted. Looked like a dump of libelous information with unclear relation to the subject [2]. Materialscientist (talk) 06:09, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
Maybe he just needed someone to give him some helpful advice on how to better contribute to the Wiki. Let's hope my suggestion helps him become a more constructive editor. If anyone can think of anything else to add, please feel free to do so. This appears to be a case of an inexperienced editor just running into trouble with the special rules regarding BLPs, so maybe he can better edit elsewhere. --Tathar (talk) 08:36, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Disruption at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Sempi - by User:Sempi[edit]

Please see history of the RFC page. User was warned on their talk page to stop, user continues disruption (ongoing) anyhow. Continues to post in the inappropriate section, including violation of site policy by attempts at outing. A block is in order here, if anything simply to stop the outing violation. Thank you, -- Cirt (talk) 08:25, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Update: Already blocked, by Dcoetzee (talk · contribs), thank you. -- Cirt (talk) 08:26, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Continuation of Editing from (Jack Merridew)[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
Further discussion at this point serves no purpose. The ban discussion has been made moot by what appears to be something like a return to normality (there is an ongoing Arbcom discussion to confirm). It's in the interests of all to see if this mess can be left behind, which means giving the user a certain chance, under the new account (User:Barong), to show that they can get along. Rd232 talk 18:34, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

While there was an active ANI thread about the behaviour of (talk), Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive692#Editing_from_125.162.150.88_.28Jack_Merridew.29, the IP was blocked for edit warring on Template talk:Rescue [3]. After not editing for a few days, the IP has gone back to similar behaviour:

This IP is apparently an editor who was previously banned by arbcom for harassing editors Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Moby_Dick and for socking Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration/Moby_Dick#Request_for_clarification_and_indefinite_block_of_Moby_Dick.2C_April-May_2007. The user was unbanned Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Jack_Merridew_ban_review_motion under an agreement. The IP withdrew that agreement [7]. (Under the agreement he was allowed to edit from only one account, User:Jack Merridew. See also [8].)

This editor attempts to cloud the issues by claiming everyone else is harassing him, eg Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive692#Sortable_tables_RFC and [9]. Pursuant to [10] I have not notified the IP of this particular thread; the previous thread was only recently archived [11].

Although ArbCom is discussing this User_talk:Risker#User:, User_talk:John_Vandenberg#Jack_.3B.29, enough is enough. Propose community ban. Gimmetoo (talk) 04:40, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

  • WP:BOOMERANG for all the insistent detractors would be the proper outcome for this. Gimme should be de-sysoped as unfit. (talk) 11:18, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Proposed community ban[edit]

  • Support ban. Some examples of his comments include:
as an unhelpful idiot; further rationale on my talk. Vulcans are supposed to have some sense, and SoV wadded-in on the side of teh toxic trolls infesting this site.
rv fuckwit; ya, you trolls have outted me)
His comments are not helpful toward building the encyclopedia and he appears to be trying to be semi-anonymous when acting as an IP, making inside jokes with his friends and then loudly claiming outing when anyone points out his publically known identity. SilverserenC 04:59, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
As noted above by Chester, Jack has also willingly decided to over-rule the Arbcom restriction, by his own words. SilverserenC 04:59, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Comment: Without going into the specifics of this particular case, the Arbitration Committee will rarely stand in the way of a community decision to remove an editor from the project. Risker (talk) 05:12, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
    But you'll stand in the way of a cluful editor who called you on your bad block of GregJackP and make a plain allusion to privileged information while warning me off. Jack 09:02, 6 May 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk)
  • Regardless of the ban proposal though, what is Arbcom's response to Jack saying that he won't be following the restriction? SilverserenC 05:15, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Support, as he's evading his ban. GoodDay (talk) 05:16, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
  • He can't be evading a ban, as he isn't banned. He is merely restricted to editing from one account. SilverserenC 05:37, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
Oh, well then, ban him for continuing disruptive behaviour. GoodDay (talk) 20:18, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Support community ban per Silver seren, subject to reversal if checkuser indicates this isn't him. No need to allow Merridew to continue his attacks. Chester Markel (talk) 05:17, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Comment As far as I am aware, User:Jack Merridew is not banned. His main account is indeffed because it was compromised, so even if it is him it is impossible for him to comply with the arbcom restriction to edit from "Jack Merridew" only. N419BH 05:27, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
  • The edit restriction is to edit from a single account, not the Jack Merridew one. So, thus far, in editing just from his static IP, he has been following the restrictions. But now he made a comment to the case section that he is refusing to follow them, which presumably means he is now making other accounts. SilverserenC 05:35, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
  • The restriction limits him to the account Jack Merridew by name, with the exception of an approved bot account. His main account was editing on March 26, so checkuser might be able to determine if it was really compromised, or just assumed to be because of extremely disruptive editing. But if a compromised account were the only issue, he could have created a new one such as "Jack Merridew II" to comply with the arbcom decision to the best of his ability, and refrained from characterising editors as "fuckwits"[13] and such. His recent contributions have been most unhelpful. Chester Markel (talk) 05:39, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
  • This is a sad situation where an intelligent and potentially valuable editor with truly disruptive tendencies has managed to garner a lot of friends in high places due to his good aspects; which can be quite excellent. Those that have experienced and know his bad aspects are often at odds with his supporters: like we're talking about two different people . But there's no separating the good from the bad; and multiple editors have not been "harassing" him - that's absurd. It is ultimately ArbCom's call at this point, so I personally think a community ban proposal here is doomed. His increased negativity, game playing and marked incivility, especially over the last several months, has been unfortunate indeed. Doc talk 05:34, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
    "sad"? "unfortunate"? Bullshit, you want more than anything to get me. (talk) 11:18, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
    • Look at the links to the off-wiki stuff. There's definite harassment and attempted, detailed outing there. N419BH 05:45, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
      • Then he should have privately contacted arbcom, if the material could have been shown to originate from present editors. There's no justification for swearing at and insulting everyone. This needs to stop. Chester Markel (talk) 05:51, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
      • (edit conflict)What off-wiki stuff? Are you referring to the link to a webpage made 6 months ago that he mentions himself [14] as a smear? He has posted on the Wikipedia the claim that his real name is "David", that part of one of the names of one of his socks even. And does anyone believe that's a real picture of him? Where would they find it at? Did he create that "smear" page himself, to then blame others for making it? Dream Focus 05:53, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
        • Agree that the IP is running afoul of WP:NPA. No comment on the rest of it. A checkuser is not going to confirm whether or not an IP and a named account are related, as that would be a form of outing. I'm having a hard time judging this whole situation. N419BH 05:57, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
          • In that case, almost every participant in this thread would have to be blocked for "outing". The policy does not support such a spurious result: Merridew does not get to edit via IP, then claim that any linkage of the IP and his account via checkuser violates his privacy. The privilege of concealing one's IP address only applies to editors who take measures to avoid public disclosure, by editing through named accounts only. Chester Markel (talk) 06:04, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
          • He has openly admitted that it's him several times: this is not an imposter. Doc talk 06:00, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
            • I cannot comment on that. Although any IP can say they're anyone; it's a frequent tactic used by trolls. N419BH 06:04, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
              • I agree. Let's block the IP now for either being Jack Merridew, and disruptively editing, or impersonating an editor. The remainder of the issue can be sorted out when the accounts are linked via checkuser, great similarity in editing styles, or some other means. Chester Markel (talk) 06:09, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
                • It is the same person. He admits it. His close friends and non-friends alike know that it's him. The IP is in freaking Bali. Mystery solved. Doc talk 06:11, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
                  • I'm fairly certain it's him based on behavior pattern. Just playing devil's advocate for the rest. Nothing is confirmed here, we're still basing everything on speculation. N419BH 06:16, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
                    • I realized who he was after his 26th edit and told him so. This was inspired by this, BTW. And, as I pointed out on another page, "See also: Lord of teh Flies"[15] on the RfA reform board isn't exactly hiding in plain sight. To claim "outing" after you said that, well... Doc talk 06:32, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
                      • That one's in the checkuser policies. They won't publicly connect a specific IP to a named account. They might connect a large range, an ISP, or a geographic range. But revealing a specific IP could be used to determine the person's real life identity. N419BH 06:43, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
                        • This situation does not require CU assistance. Doc talk 07:00, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
                          • But what if it did? Is this the new way to sock Wikipedia: edit from an IP, secure in the knowledge that Checkusers will never connect it to a named account, notwithstanding that the IP is already disclosed when one is editing with it? Then such cases might have to be referred to arbcom, and the IP/accounts blocked with "please contact the Arbitration Committee" to avoid publicly associating the sock with the sockmaster. That sort of thing foists an impossible workload upon the arbitrators. If the privacy policy really is so twisted, which I doubt, then it urgently needs to be changed. Chester Markel (talk) 08:41, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
Please see this recent statement from the AUSC. Risker (talk) 12:37, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

───────────────────────── This is a whole lot more complicated than some guy editing from his IP. If you really want to get the full perspective you'd better start looking through all the arbitration proceedings and ANI threads that have affected Jack and his sock drawer over the years. You'll also need to look through the contributions of the IP. For admins, this will be a bit easier as Jack had links to them in his now deleted userpage. There is a ton of information to digest. Some of it is good, some of it is bad. The whole thing makes me believe that this particular thread is missing the boat. There's a whole lot more going on here, both good and bad, that the regular ANI reader doesn't know. This is really one for the Arbitration Committee to handle. N419BH 08:57, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Support His recent actions alone are justification for his banning. Dream Focus 05:42, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Ban evasion isn't an issue here, as none of his accounts was banned, and the decision to limit him to one account is not really being violated in spirit, if perhaps it is in letter (per those above). It's his behaviour right now that's the real issue, with his outpouring of profanity directed at others, and this is going to eventually net him a ban if he keeps it up. I'm not in favour of a ban for the time being, since the normal results of this sort of incivility would be a short block, but I'm quite sure he will get banned if he keeps this up. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 05:47, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

But isn't deceiving the community via dodging scrutiny by using IPs an issue? How can WP:CLEANSTART apply here when we well know who this is? The only other question is, why is this being done? I am not going to pry, but I can see why this is irking quite a few people. –MuZemike 06:17, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

"Scuttled" is listed as the userpage for the accounts. And clean start doesn't appear to be being invoked as the IP claims to be Jack. N419BH 06:31, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
He claims to be Jack only when it suits him: otherwise it's off to the false outing/harassment claims. Who removes a SPI notification with, "rm wp:hounding"? Are editors supposed to know it's him, and not to "hound" him with standard notifications? Or what? Doc talk 08:21, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
MuZemike, I'd have the same thought except that he's self-identified as Jack Merridew, which means no deception. If he's previously been less than upfront about it, as some here have suggested (I haven't seen the whole history), then yes, that's a definite strike against him. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 10:15, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
Jack's been very open about his past. N419BH 10:20, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Seeing as the committee is discussing this, is there an urgent need for admin action right now? Let Arbcom earn their inflated salaries. pablo 11:21, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
    See also
    {{stuck}}: teh ac doesn't usually resolve disputes, it prolongs them. The emergence of the ARS is due to the failure of the two E&C cases. The 2005-ac borked my initial case with white cat. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:35, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Propose a temporary prohibition on his unregistered editing to go along with the one-account restriction. Should put a dampner on all this is-he-isn't-he disruption. Pick an account and stick to it, and let it be a record of your actions that you may be held accountable by, like the rest of us. Skomorokh 12:42, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Support community ban explicitly set to terminate if ArbComm determines new conditions under which the individual involved is allowed to edit and the individual complies with all initial conditions set by ArbComm. This more or less resets the situation to where it was before he was previously unbanned by ArbComm, since his own actions to compromise his own account made the previous ruling nonfunctional. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 15:44, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Oppose ban. A little recent history here. Recently David applied to have the last of his Arbcom restrictions lifted Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/Jack Merridew ban review motion#Further discussion and was treated rather poorly. Note in particular Coren's remarks. After this he decided to withdraw his services, a la John Galt. He quit using the Jack acct, switched to the Gold Hat account. No one blocked him for doing this. People on the arbitration committee knew that Gold Hat was David; I told Elen so myself. Fast forward a bit, to the discussion on My76Strat's talk page after his failed RFA. David makes a pointy edit that not only is RFA "borked", so is Arbcom. Elen eventually blocks him for repeatedly re-inserting this post. Apparently she thought it was just some random troll. Had she already forgotten who Gold Hat is? This was a bad block because the post was not vanalism or a personal attack. Meanwhile no decision is forthcoming as to whether David is to be permanently tied to the Jack Merridew account. Why on earth would he want to be tied to that account, when there are at least two libellous pages tying the Jack Merridew account to his real life identity elsewhere on the web? I would swear a bit too if that happened to me, trust me on this. But recent threads have proven though that swearing alone is not a blockable offense, much less reason for a ban. --Diannaa (Talk) 16:48, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Support ban. I don't know Jack very well but I'm well aware of who he is. If he had come to Wikipedia with the expressed intent to restart his Wikipedia activity in a civil manner, from a new registered account (and only one account) I'd support that. But he's being openly defiant, he doesn't want to abide by the terms set when his previous ban was lifted even in spirit, let alone by the letter. His present behavior does more harm to Wikipedia than good. Much of what he's doing right now just boils down to a violation of WP:POINT, specifically where he says, "The Wikimedia Foundation, which oversees all WMF projects including Wikipedia, has declared open editing to be a founding principle." While the statement is true, this kind of activism isn't going to help anything. -- Atama 16:55, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Support ban He is again, or is it still, thumbing his nose at everyone. He purposefully killed his two accounts and now he is playing games with everyone. This is ridiculous already, enough is enough, CrohnieGalTalk 17:06, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Oppose As per my usual position about draconian solutions. A "ban" is precisely the wrong sort of way to handle Merridew at best. Collect (talk) 22:02, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Oppose and immediately overturn block. Read the Arbcom restriction again. Jack is restricted to one named account "Jack Merridew". There is no restriction regarding editing "anonymously" from IPs. He's not socking if he isn't editing from named accounts. Furthermore, Jack has no access to "Jack Merridew" as he scrambled the password to it. All this was done as a result of an Arbcom decision to keep his editing restrictions in place indefinitely. Those restrictions stem from a 2005 arbcom case which was later proven to be messed up. Jack's been fighting his way back ever since. I think in light of these circumstances the fact that the committee hasn't accepted over two years of mostly stellar editing and has kept him restricted would make one just a wee bit upset, no? Civility issues yes, but nothing to warrant an indef. block. And he isn't violating any restrictions by editing from the IP. And we don't block IPs indefinitely. And he's stated that IP is a public wifi hotspot. So he's not the only one who might try to edit from it. Unblock the IP and let arbcom handle it. N419BH 19:51, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
See below, Arbcom have dealt with it; they unbanned him under an agreement he explicitly broke. IP editing has nothing to do with it – he is community banned. Skomorokh 23:27, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Oppose ban, per Diannaa and Arbcom's general ongoing mishandling/ignoring of this situation  pablo 00:25, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Support ban - It seems as if Jack Merridew has decided that rules don't apply to him, that's the subtext not only of this particular set of incidents, but of his long editing career under previous IDs. I understand that some folks think that he is a good, or even excellent, content provider. I cannot gainsay them, since I've never looked into his contributions in that way, but I have no reason to believe that they're not correct. If so, then it's a shame that an editor who is otherwise such a benefit to the project seems to be constitutionally unable to act within the confines of the boundaries that the community has set up for itself, either directly or through their elected representatives. Jack has been given many chances to show that he wants to be a viable part of the community, and his ultimate response has been to thumb his nose at us each time. I don't believe it's any longer worthwhile to continue to give him the benefit of the doubt. Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:21, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
  • support ban Jack doesn't play well with others. There was an attempted deal that might have maybe had a chance to work. He's stated explicitly that he's not interested in that. This is enough already. JoshuaZ (talk) 04:17, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Support ban. Enough BS already; I've read the sub-threads below as well. Tijfo098 (talk) 07:49, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
    • Just your average WP:DIVA. He's already getting too much attention here. Tijfo098 (talk) 02:21, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
      • fyi, I was involved in the issues that were the impetus of that essay, although it wasn't directed at me ;) Barong 02:44, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Oppose ban - and I agree with User:Diannaa's comments above. One of the terms of Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Jack Merridew ban review motion#Indefinite block lifted with editing restrictions was "2. User:Jack Merridew is to seek out advisers to assist him in transitioning from a formal mentorship to unrestricted editing" which he complied with, and over the course of more than a year made thousands of edits that benefited the project. Then when he sought to have his restrictions lifted, he was treated shabbily and it seemed to me that reference to the Gold Hat account was flimsy and opportunistic. If he was, at that point, such a threat to the project, there should have been something stronger to point at than Gold Hat; Gold Hat's contributions were minor and innocuous, but rather than look at the good Jack Merridew had done, Gold Hat was the focus. If Arbcom was aware of the Gold Hat account and did nothing, couldn't that be interpreted as not opposing it? It would have been fairer on Jack if Gold Hat had not been permitted to edit from the start. If I was in his situation I'd feel angry and betrayed, and if that's what he's feeling, that's what's being seen in his recent edits. Rossrs (talk) 08:19, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Support ban Jack has wilfully defied what he agreed to with the Arbitration Committee. The restriction is incredibly clear- one account and one account only. No Gold Hat, no IP editing. One account, and the name of that account must be Jack Merridew. Given his knowing disregard of that restriction, there is no other option- if you agree to clear set of unban conditions with the ArbCom, you must either keep them or be rebanned. --Courcelles 08:22, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
    it is inappropriate to tie me to things such as —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 08:38, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Oppose ban per N419BH and Diannaa, but implore Jack to stop the outbursts before he digs himself into an even deeper hole. -- œ 08:47, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Support ban Just the past week's pattern of grotesque incivility and personal attacks on other users and even an admin should be enough for a ban. However based on his history of wikihounding other editors with whom he has issues with, massive sockpuppetry, and routine incivility in edit summaries and talk page comments, it's mind-boggling to me that he's getting any support whatsoever. At no point has he been apologetic about past or current actions, and he seems to believe that the rules that apply to everyone else don't apply to him. It's time to end this toxicity.Shemeska (talk) 11:51, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
    • Shemeska (user contributions), I'm curious to know what brings you here. Aside from 2 updates to your user page, your last contribution to Wikipedia was this comment at ANI also about Jack Merridew on 7 June 2010, which was your only edit for 2010 outside of your user page. You comment about "fellow travellers (who) defend (Jack) at each step of the way". Quite hypocritical, considering that your next edit, almost a year later is this one in which you join in with "the fellow travellers" who wish to see Jack Merridew banned. You're absent for almost a year and then when Jack's in trouble, not only do you know about it, but you feel compelled to comment upon it, while your interest in Wikipedia aside from Jack, appears currently to be zero. Well, I feel compelled to comment on someone who appears to be wanting to just join a lynch mob, but otherwise have no stake in the outcome. ANI should not be about people taking sides and casting votes to make up numbers, and I can't see anything more than that in your participation. I am curious how you knew about this ANI, and why in 2 years of editing, your edits consist of only 4 edits (2 adjustments to your user page, and 2 ANI comments supporting a ban of Jack Merridew.) Why are you so interested in Jack? Rossrs (talk) 00:45, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Oppose community ban. (@Shemeska: and you seem to believe that there's a special rule about the heinousness of being rude to admins. "Massive" sockpuppetry? Oh, get a grip.) I expect it's too late: a new Peter Damian case (and what a waste was that?) seems to be already taking shape. The "Jack Merridew" case is all about timing: with exceptionally poor timing at the ban review motion, as if expressly chosen to humiliate a proud user, Risker and Coren expressed intolerant resentment of Jack's "defiance", of "thumbing one's nose", and "horsing around with collections of accounts" (yes? so? would you like to look Bishzilla in the eye and repeat that?).[16][17] I notice Atama and ChronieGal happily adopting these expressions above — altogether, this poll reminds me of the IRC discussions amongst poorly informed users I've listened to, of all the triumphs we can easily and cheaply enjoy against Peter Damian, heh heh. Risker's point that she would have been prepared to lift Jack's remaining restrictions if only it weren't for his "defiance" is downright depressing.[18] What kind of time was the ban review "Jack" had requested to say that? It was too late, as Elen of the Roads pointed out: "Jack" was already expecting the sanctions to be lifted, he had no reason not to expect it.[19] Because those sanctions were vestigial, they seemed to have no other purpose than to humiliate an annoyingly non-humble editor. So is that what the arbcom is about: humiliation? No, I don't think that. I think they do their best. Some of them merely suffered a disastrous failure of imagination in this case. :-( "Jack"'s anger and disappointment at this point is understandable; and, sadly, having been fucked over, he went on to angrily misbehave. He's doing the digging himself, which is why I fear a continued downward spiral, but certainly it was arbcom that handed him a spade and encouraged him to use it. P.S. I would take it as a personal favour if the users who are all over this thread — you know who you are — would rein themselves in a little. Do you really have the impression that your input here is winning hearts and minds by sheer vindictive repetition? Bishonen | talk 14:14, 7 May 2011 (UTC).
  • Hold/Pause until this has been clarified. (thanks Sko). I did notice that the language from 125.whatever.whatever.88 got a bit OTT rough around the edges recently, but it seems there's enough confusion here to frustrate just about anyone. It's been a while, but IIRC, "Jack" was/can be quite a valuable content contributor, even though I seem to remember that he could stir up some ka ka from time to time. However, I don't ever recall him stating that he was out to "bring down WP" a la PD.— Ched :  ?  16:59, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
    • Looks like the Arbs aren't going to answer that [technical] question. Tijfo098 (talk) 02:23, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Support ban per Courcelles and Shemeska, among others. This is an ugly mess, and I understand the opposers concerns, but from what I have read in this too-long thread, it appears that this editor is abusive and proud of it, not to mention flouting ArbCom. Long history of violations and personal attacks. Let's pull the plug here and now, as I am tired of this kind of user who pushes others away from the project. Not convinced banning an IP is bad either. Jusdafax 20:53, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Support ban per above. Guaranteed in a year, Jack will try to come back yet again to game the system with sympathetic arbcoms willing to give him yet another chance. Jack gets off-wiki blowback because he has a long history of being nasty to editors. Okip 15:31, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Support ban per above. I've never been able to understand why this person hasn't been banned and why they have been continually allowed to periodically show up and disrupt the project. If they really wanted a clean start and were going to play by the rules, they could have returned as an IP or new account, followed the rules and never been noticed. This has never happened, as they continually fall far short of acceptable behavior eventually. A community ban would let any editor revert unaccceptable behavior on sight. Such threads as this overlong nightmare will disappear, leaving only the occasional blip when someone acknowledges "Jack was here, blocked indef as sock of banned user, thread closed". Let him get his jollies elsewhere. Whatever he might contribute in worthwhile content is not worth his continued disruptive presence here. Heiro 02:55, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Oppose ban if it's still being considered given Rd232's offer below and Jack's acceptance of it. As he has agreed to "register a new account, and to edit exclusively with that account" this seems like a reasonable way to meet the spirit of his ArbCom restriction (until and unless ArbCom says it isn't.) 28bytes (talk) 03:10, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Oppose ban, largely per Bishonen above. The whole story of the lifting the old sanctions, not lifting them, re-imposing them, protesting against them, trolling against them, replacing them with new ones, etc etc ad infinitum, has only been a perpetuated drama for drama's sake, and bears no relation to the actual, productive editing that we have seen from Jack in the meantime. Fut.Perf. 04:57, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Oppose ban Barong/Jack Merridew is an excellent contributor who definitely has a clue. We want to be retaining editors like him, not saddling them with useless restrictions. He has more than made up for past transgressions, and ArbCom's reticence in removing the sanctions makes no sense. If you muzzle anyone too long without need they're going to act out. Please don't drive off another good editor. AniMate 06:07, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Oppose ban I fail to see the reason to ban him. He has been open about who he is and tbh his incivility isn't that bad yet. --Guerillero | My Talk 16:40, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Oppose ban, and recommend that this discussion be closed. This thread in no way resembles a reasoned, balanced discussion about the merits of Jack's participation in this project. AGK [] 17:40, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Support ban Continuing and recent bad behaviour including edit warring using multiple identities, gross incivility, harassment and canvassing. Colonel Warden (talk) 06:19, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Support ban: as my momma said, if you surround yourself with people like that, you're bound to turn into them.--Milowenttalkblp-r 10:36, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
    I liked Support ban worse than Sauron, better. See also: Rangda ;> Barong 12:06, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
    Thread's dead, baby. Thread's dead.
    (although it's really helpful for the battleground-types to self-identify;) Barong 11:22, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

In violation of unbanning conditions?[edit]

The history is a little convoluted, but Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Jack Merridew ban review motion seems to indicate that Jack Merridew's original ban was lifted with this condition:

User:Jack Merridew agrees to edit from one account only "Jack Merridew" on all WMF wikis and unifies that account.

The amendment to this augmented the condition as follows:

User:Jack Merridew agrees to edit from one account only "Jack Merridew" on all WMF wikis with the exception of an additional bot account approved through the regular process, and agrees to not edit using open proxies.

As his February 2011 request for amendment failed, and he subsequently withdrew agreement to the above conditions, it seems to me as if he is editing in violation of the unbanning conditions and therefore banned. Am I missing something? Skomorokh 14:03, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Exactly; that's why I was confused when I started reading this ANI. Why are these motions being tried again here when a ban is already in force? Ncmvocalist (talk) 14:29, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
He posted his password, thereby corrupting the Jack Merridew account. Nobody put a gun to his head. People don't do that by accident - it's your password. By doing that he willfully broke the binding agreement to edit only under the Jack Merridew account on March 25, well before his declaration of withdrawal as an IP. Is the AC agreement binding? Doc talk 15:31, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
It was a ArbCom motion which was passed by 9 arbitrators at the time, so yes. An indefinite block would be replaced on the main account, but obviously, that's a bit confusing given it wasn't the main account which prompted this. (Additionally, main account was blocked in March as "compromised account"). Ncmvocalist (talk) 16:18, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Request for clarification filed on this point. Skomorokh 12:18, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Since ArbCom couldn't make a consistent or intelligible statement regarding the Gold Hat account (first it was deemed OK then a few weeks later it was a "bad idea"), I have little faith that any "clarification" from them is going to do more than further muddy the waters. Assuming they succeed in putting together something that's not blatantly self-contradictory. Reyk YO! 23:12, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Indefinite block[edit]

I have indefinitely blocked for several reasons - recent disruptive behavior, personal attacks [20], the likelyhood that he's now violating the prior arbcom findings, the apparent likelyhood that he's going to be community banned in the section above.
Subject to usual community review etc. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 18:52, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
Seems like the right call. JoshuaZ (talk) 19:36, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
He has specifically stated that he will no longer be following the restriction. For all we know, he could already have another account up and running, if not more. Furthermore, it is a common fact that we generally block people when they made statements saying that they plan on making disruptive actions in the future and Jack has specifically stated that he has decided not to follow the restriction anymore, thus this, combined with his other recent actions, show that he has become overly disruptive. And an indefinite block is not forever, GWH specifically stated that it is until Arbcom makes a decision or until this community ban proposal is decided. This is to mitigate the disruption that Jack has already been showing. SilverserenC 20:03, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
An appropriate block. Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:24, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
Actually, it's not appropriate. At best it's incompetent. Please read WP:IPBLENGTH. Any administrator worth their salt knows that we only indefinitely block IP addresses in extreme circumstances. Perhaps a block was warranted, but this isn't the way to do it. Even should the community decide the public hot spot IP Jack is using needs to be indefinitely blocked, there are templates that should be placed so it can be tracked because indefinitely blocking IPs is so rare. That didn't happen either. Even rookie admins know better. AniMate 02:13, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
Then can you fix the block so that it's still a block, but in the proper format for IP addresses? That shouldn't be too difficult to do. SilverserenC 02:38, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
It's not the format, it's the length (or lack thereof) that's the problem. We only indefinitely block IPs in extreme circumstances, usually because they're an open proxy. Also, I don't think I should be the admin to deal with this block. I've had too many negative experiences with most of the complainers above and agree with too many of jack's positions. If anything, I'd prefer to give him a warning or block for a month. AniMate 02:50, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
  • I have unblocked the IP. Firstly civility blocks don't work and the length is way inappropriate to the offence. Secondly an indef block for a public ip is not an acceptable policy based action, thirdly I am not seeing a clear consensus to ban Jack above so blocking the ip for that reason at this stage is inappropriate. Spartaz Humbug! 03:36, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
I note that you did not, as required, discuss the unblock with the blocking admin before undoing it, rather unblocked first and then told him that you had done it. Bad form, very bad form. Beyond My Ken (talk) 03:50, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
George hasn't responded to the comments on his talk so it clearly offline. We shouldn't ready do controversial blocks if we are not here to discuss them afterwards so I didn't feel that leaving a token message or waiting for him to come back was appropriate. Spartaz Humbug! 03:53, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
So, in your opinion, no one can ever do a "controversial block" if they aren't planning on being online for the next 12 hours or so?

Further, unblocking on the basis that "Civility blocks don't work" has nothing whatsoever to do with policy, and everything to do with your own personal opinion. You are free to have that opinion, and to avoid making civility blocks because of it, but it's not policy, and it's certainly not a reason to overturn another admin's block, especially without discussing it first. Your action was neither collegial nor appropriate. Beyond My Ken (talk) 03:57, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Neither was the original block but we can leave a public ip blocked while we sit around waiting for George to come on line shall we? I'd be less inclined to unblock if it was a user account block but for an indef of an ip? No that's perfectly justifiable to act without waiting. Spartaz Humbug! 04:10, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
I'm encouraged that you investigated and determined that others beside Jack have been using this IP lately, and so are acting to protect their access to Wikipeia.

You did do that, didn't you? Beyond My Ken (talk) 05:07, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Good unblock. Clearly the right thing to do. Reyk YO! 04:00, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
Is he or is he not in violation of the AC agreement? Has it expired? Is it being ignored by the AC as well as Jack? We all have to follow rules around here, despite what IAR is often misinterpreted to mean. When you're on a restriction you abide by it, you don't play pointy games and make up your own version of the rules. Doc talk 04:02, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
No, I do not agree that he is. Reyk YO! 04:06, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
Can you please elaborate? I know that you've defended Jack in the past (from a quick search I just did), so without any explanation for your current comments, it looks as if you are just repeating over and over that Jack didn't do anything wrong without actually looking at or considering exactly what he has done wrong. SilverserenC 04:31, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
(ec)How do you figure? He deliberately corrupted the accounts after his bid for a sock cavalcade fell through. Mind you, he said just two months ago, "These accounts are my history, and I'm not seeking to walk away from them."[21] Then he found out he couldn't have his socks. This horseplop about him being ashamed of what others say about him off-wiki is just ridiculous. His ED page has been up for ages. Doc talk 04:17, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
He's stated that he's not going to comply with the unban conditions, and he's engaged in extreme uncivility. This shouldn't be that complicated. JoshuaZ (talk) 04:15, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Unblock confusion[edit]

I am somewhat confused on the unblock here.
I was online for some hours after issuing the block, contrary to Spartaz' comments. N419BH asked me to consider reversal and I did not respond to him, but that does not mean that I didn't read or consider his comment. N419BH made similar ANI comments before regarding Jack and they had been addressed in the discussion about the ban (and otherwise) above already. Nothing novel was in the unblock request other than that this was "Unblock him" rather than "Don't ban him". Admins are required to be engaged, but we're not required to respond to *everything*...
The unblock was apparently 9 hrs later. No, I wasn't online for 9 hrs after issuing it. Not a reasonable expectation.
The unblock seems to have hinged on three alleged flaws; one, that there was no consensus to ban Jack, two, that this was alledgedly a civility block, and three, that this was a permanent block on an IP. None of these was true.
This was a block for all of:
  1. No personal attacks
  2. Disruption
  3. Violation of editing restrictions
The personal attack was clearly a personal attack - the exact phrase was "Oppose as an unhelpful idiot". This is not a civility issue, it's a personal attack. NPA is NPA.
A very large number of editors and admins have commented that his recent behavior was disruptive.
While there is still active debate about whether he's violating the editing restrictions, there is a majority opinion that he was. I don't know that it rises to the level of consensus, but it clearly has more "He's violating" than the alternative.
Regarding the unblock reasons -
  1. There was an 8-2 expressed support-oppose opinion balance at the time of block, with significant additional discussion that by editor count was similiarly 75% plus supporting ban.
  2. I used the phrase "personal attack" in the block message [22]. Civility was not mentioned once.
  3. This was not a permanent block on an IP. It was an indefinite block, and I quote, "Until the situation is clarified with regards to a community ban, Arbcom decides to do something, or another administrator decides to override based on their review of the situation.". It was indefinite to indicate that it was not a short-term bandaid, not to violate our permanent blocks on IP addresses policy. In cases where IPs are effectively uniquely identified to a known problem user we're allowed to bend the IP block policy in any case, but in this one it was certainly acceptable to leave it "To be determined" while the rest of the above were sorted out. If you feel that it's grossly inappropriate to do so under the IP blocking policy, I ask that you explain how you think we're going to enact a ban if one is consensused-upon above? Do you think we can't ban him if he only uses IPs now?
Spartaz - The best practice here is to try to discuss with the blocking admin, or if that fails to get consensus on a noticeboard that the block was improper. We don't mandate that, but we do ask for admins to use due care and good judgement when acting otherwise. It does not appear to me that you used due care and judgement here.
I appreciate Jack's long constructive history as much as anyone else, but bending the rules to let him keep abusing people when he's clearly started doing so and indicated he has no interest in stopping was not a good call. Had the block actually clearly violated policy you could have gotten a solid consensus on that here within minutes. That the opposite happened should be an indication that this was a bad unblock. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 06:53, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
  • It was a bad block for a start. You don't indef people while a ban discussion is in place and you should know by now that we don't indef IPs without a very good reason and calling Sarek an idiot is far from a good enough reason for that. Your whole argument presupposes that there is widespread support for a block and there wasn't. Blocking while there is an ongoing discussion is just bad manners and substitutes your opinion for a forming consensus.We already know that you are pretty much the most extreme proponent of the civility block here and that your opinion does not therefore represent a community consensus. You should have proposed the block before enacting it and then listening to consensus on it. There was no justification for acting unilaterally when there was already a discussion in place. I don't see a consensus to ban and 70-80% including a number of very involved editors is far from a consensus for a community ban. Spartaz Humbug! 07:04, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
There's no way to avoid "very involved editors" - the closing admin is supposed to factor in prior entanglements, but that does not mean or equate to disenfranchising those with prior negative interactions with the potential banee.
Blocking while a community discussion is in place is like blocking while an arbcom case is in discussion - unusual, but not unheard of. Both happen. I have done both, without any being challenged that I can recall. Being the subject of an arbcom case or a community ban discussion is in no way a get out of jail free card that allows people to disrupt or make personal attacks or violate existing sanctions or other policy. We are obviously and carefully conscious of not keeping people from participating in discussions on their own fate, but that doesn't mean they can do anything they want and get away with it.
I do not understand how you can look at the discussion above and feel that I am adopting a particularly extreme position with regards to Jack here. There's clearly a consensus that Jack's being abusive and has violated policy in several ways. Whether that results in a ban or not is up to the community, who are still arguing over it. Many of those advocating not banning have advocated blocking for the recent events.
Again - You're making up straw man arguments that you allege are why I blocked, which are not what I blocked for, and not what I said I blocked for. You seem to be the only person disputing that the stated arguments are valid. A number of persons disagree with banning him for them, but you seem to be saying "No, they don't count at all", which does not seem at all reasonable.
I'm all for having uninvolved admins review and use their judgement, but there's something wrong here. I am not going to do any wheel-warring of any sort. Would you please disqualify yourself as well from any further action and step back, and let others handle this? Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 07:44, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Are we indefinitely blocking IPs now?[edit]

This is an astonishing bit of overkill. We don't block IPs indefinitely, especially when they've stated they're editing from a public hot spot. AniMate 01:11, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes, apparently we do. Not open editing's finest hour. pablo 01:15, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
A one year block on the IP would probably be sufficient. Chester Markel (talk) 01:16, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
Some IPs are static enough in that they could be indefinitely blocked. Other reasons may be that the owner requests as such. Finally, we have some open proxies which must be indefinitely blocked. Please see Category:Indefinitely blocked IP addresses and Category:Open proxies blocked on Wikipedia for details. That is not to say that the indefinite IP block was appropriate, but I just want to point out that some IPs are indefinitely blocked and why. –MuZemike 08:00, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
On the other hand, I'd point out that most of the tens of thousands of IPs in CAT:OP are no longer open proxies and should be unblocked. Indefinite blocks for IP addresses are only OK when they are kept under review. It is often too easy for the blocks to remain unreviewed. A fixed expiry, even if it's years ahead, prevents this kind of oversight. -- zzuuzz (talk) 08:07, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Note about this IP[edit]

I have asked a steward to check IP, and he has verified that it is an open proxy with three ports open. It is also on several blacklists. Given the discussion in this section, I will not automatically reblock this IP but will await some other thoughts; however, on this project we normally block open proxies for a year. If there are no specific, policy-based objections to my doing so in the next 3 hours, I will block it at the end of that time per our usual process for blocking open proxies. Risker (talk) 04:33, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Wasn't "and agrees to not edit using open proxies" part of the unban agreement as well? What does that mean? Doc talk 04:45, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
I'm not disputing that at all. However, the IP was already blocked once today, and then unblocked. It would be poor form for an arbitrator to wheel-war; hence the advance notice with the detailed reason why I intend to reblock this IP address. This is an IP that would normally be blocked by any administrator who identified that it was an open proxy, whether or not a troubled editor was using it. Risker (talk) 04:50, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
Quite frankly, it's time to shut this door, and shut it tight. There is a clear restriction on the books that this individual can only edit using the "Jack Merridew" account. No exceptions. It's time to block this IP, and actually enforce the ArbCom's ruling. Courcelles 04:52, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
Please. Beyond My Ken (talk) 05:04, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
I agree there is no problem blocking an open proxy. If this doesn't wind up being the final answer, I note that Arbcom provided a sanction provision in Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Jack Merridew ban review motion: "Should Jack Merridew violate the restrictions imposed upon him in this decision, he may be blocked for one year by any uninvolved administrator, with any blocks to be logged at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Jack Merridew ban review motion#Log of blocks and bans". This would allow the matter to be raised at WP:Arbitration enforcement for a full discussion. If a block was issued, it would be a {{uw-aeblock}}, which would in theory give it more finality than a regular ANI block. If even this prospect is too divisive, the matter could be handed to Arbcom for them to consider a motion. EdJohnston (talk) 05:24, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
the year-block clause was lifted by the 2009 motion further down (when I was commended for a clear return, yet still saddled with a few restrictions). The ac need to pass a motion; they've been stuck on this since January. (talk) 06:24, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
Oh, you mean the section which says:
After reviewing User:Jack Merridew's ban at his request, the Arbitration Committee agreed to unblock his account on December 9th, 2008 with the above conditions.
Jack Merridew is to be commended for making a clean return from an indefinite ban. On review of the past year, the Arbitration Committee replaces the previous motion with the following conditions:
1. User:Jack Merridew agrees to edit from one account only "Jack Merridew" on all WMF wikis with the exception of an additional bot account approved through the regular process, and agrees to not edit using open proxies.
2. User:Jack Merridew is to seek out advisers to assist him in transitioning from a formal mentorship to unrestricted editing.
3. User:Jack Merridew agrees that the same as any other editor, he is to follow Wikipedia policy and guidelines, and follow dispute resolution processes to resolve editing conflicts with the understanding that misconduct could result in blocks or Community editing restrictions.
4. User:Jack Merridew will note his agreement with the terms of this motion on this page.
Beyond My Ken (talk) 06:43, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

...So are all publicly accessible networks open proxies now? If they are we'd better start blocking every single school, university, company, and private unsecured WiFi network in existence. We'll also have to block every cell phone network. Get busy. N419BH 05:50, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

This IP is a public hotspot offered by a restaurant to patrons. A few people even know the restaurant. The IP is the Indonesian national phone company's, one of their 'Speedy' (DSL) connections. Such connections are the norm here and the Jack account edited for years on the prior IP that was serving this restaurant (which was I also informed John Vandenberg that I was on this IP a month ago ;) (talk) 05:41, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
I interpret Risker's comment as stating that the open proxy determination was based on a port scan, not local accessibility through a wireless network. If this is the case, then the IP can be used by anyone on the internet, from any location. It's not our fault that the computer isn't properly secured. Chester Markel (talk) 06:29, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
Well if this is true, and Jack's comment that such connections are "the norm" in Indonesia, then are you saying we'll have to block the entire country from editing? N419BH 06:33, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
By "the norm", he seemed to mean wireless connections with local public access, not actual open proxies. Chester Markel (talk) 06:35, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
I'd like to remind people that scanning IP addresses, and finding open or closed ports, can never confirm whether an IP is an open proxy. So many bad proxy blocks are based on finding open ports. Blacklists are even less trustworthy. If this is an open proxy, someone else should be able to prove it by using it. I think that's quite unlikely. -- zzuuzz (talk) 07:16, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

The steward has given a wrong assessment of this IP. How about he creates an account, and it is block for a week for the various incivilities, and then he come back and resumes where he left off, given he loves us so much and couldnt quit ;-) John Vandenberg (chat) 06:51, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

And how exactly do you know that the steward is wrong about the IP address being an open proxy? SilverserenC 07:08, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
doubleplus-clue. (talk) 07:13, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
Stewards are often wrong about open proxies :p There is no evidence that this is an open proxy. Please ask the steward to use it for editing, in order to be convincing. -- zzuuzz (talk) 07:16, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
Nobody has provided a shred of evidence to support the theory that it is an open proxy, and Occam told me it wasn't. Based on purely technical information, that IP is extremely unlikely to an open proxy, and the steward should be trouted. Additional information which can be obtained very easily corroborates the story given by Jack. Of course it could be an elaborate trick, .. John Vandenberg (chat) 07:25, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
Definitely isn't an open proxy. I've used a tool which tests the IP checking if it is a proxy or just an IP, the results showed that it is in fact just an IP. Bidgee (talk) 14:22, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
No tool can be definite about that. You might get a good hit rate, but it can't be definite. -- zzuuzz (talk) 16:48, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
  • I read the the statement from an arb that this was a proxy and blocked it per policy so I'm slightly embarrassed to finish reading the section to see its proxy statement is in doubt so I unblocked it again.. Just to be clear as the unblocking admin I have no problems with an open proxy being blocked - if that is the consensus of what we are dealing with. I'm hardly covering myself in glory today so I'm going to bow out and take my kids shopping for the rest of the day. Spartaz Humbug! 07:27, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
Ah Spartaz. Good decision to take some time with your family. Perhaps not moving ahead on something that is still under discussion might be a good idea in the future.

As for me, I noted that I was intending to make a policy-based open proxy block, but further evidence has persuaded me that there is not universal agreement in interpreting the data I'd been provided; John Vandenberg, who is also an experienced checkuser, has more familiarity with open proxies than do I and I will defer to him. (This is the kind of policy-based reason not to block that justified my not immediately blocking.) This discussion can resume on the topic of whether or not the community has found Jack's/the IP's behaviour disruptive to the point that it feels he should be removed from the project. Risker (talk) 07:40, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

fwiw, I've glossed over this IPs contribs and believe I've made every one of the edits so far this year. The ones in 2009 are not me (some vandal at a nice restaurant, or the IP was assigned elsewhere then... —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 07:38, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

As this is a bit of a train wreck[edit]

Anyone got an executive summary of the situation? My understanding of the above is:

  1. user:Jack Merridew is participating from
  2. Under the terms of the original ArbCom unban, he was limited to editing only under user:Jack Merridew.
  3. On 25 April, he withdrew from that agreement with this edit. The purpose would seem to be to be able to adopt a new pseudonym which didn't carry the baggage (i.e. years of being used an a boogieman) of the JM account.

Furthermore, there's another tangent regarding the nature of the IP:

  1. is apparently an unsecured public wifi hotspot.
  2. It has been argued that this constitutes the use of an open proxy.
  3. That would violate the unban agreement even if it were accepted that JM were free to start a new pseudonymous account.

I consider this one to be a red herring given the above facts.

Is there more to it than this?

Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 08:44, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Jack cannot edit from "Jack Merridew" as the account is scrambled and compromised. There is also a question as to whether or not the restriction limits him to "one named account" or "one, named account" (the former would restrict Jack to "Jack Merridew" but possibly allow IP editing subject to compliance with the sockpuppetry policy, the latter would presumably not allow ip editing; the wording of the restriction uses the former). The "Open Proxy" question is a red herring in my opinion. Arbcom is apparently also discussing the present situation privately as noted from a couple postings by at least one of them on their talk pages. Think that's most of it...agree it's a bit of a train wreck. N419BH 08:50, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
I don't understand how it's totally lost on many that he was just asking for all his accounts to be unblocked. Is that "shame" of being Jack Merridew? His last post seems to indicate that we must let him edit anonymously in order to protect him from off-wiki attacks. Am I reading this right? Doc talk 08:56, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
Don't forget to add his actions over the past few days, which are also a part of the report. This includes edit warring and going over the 3RR limit (twice, I believe, or once and then going right back to exactly 3RR after his 24 hours block ended), not to mention the massive amounts of incivility and the recent personal attack made against SoV. SilverserenC 10:24, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
Chris, I think there's disagreement over your initial point 2 above; some read the condition as "he may only edit using the account Jack Merridew" and others as "the only account he may edit under is Jack Merridew". Jack seems to have adopted the loophole in the second reading in editing as an IP. Skomorokh 12:21, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
Regarding the edit warring, the user formerly known as Jack repeatedly removed this post, part of which constitutes a personal attack. I removed it twice myself on that basis. I am unclear why people would edit war to keep such a post on the page when the post is offensive and derogatory (IMHO). I would like to remind people that the same folks posting here over and over again does not constitute consensus. Skomorokh has posted eight times to this discussion, Silver Seren eleven times to last week's discussion and nine times to this one, and Doc9871 has posted twelve times to the discussion. It is hardly surprising that the IP feels like he is being railroaded. Sincerely, --Diannaa (Talk) 13:36, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
Excuse me? I have no horse in this race. Explain yourself please. Skomorokh 13:51, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
There's nothing to explain, really. I was just counting the posts. I agree you and the IP do not seem to have any prior history. --Diannaa (Talk) 13:59, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
I apologise for listing you. --Diannaa (Talk) 14:04, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
I notice you've counted a few editors who have over-contributed, but I think there's also a problem with an editor who magically appears to rip into Jack. User:Shemeska has only made 4 edits in the last 2 years (2 to his user page, and 2 supporting a ban for Jack Merridew). I've commented here, above. Rossrs (talk) 00:53, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
So, would you people agree if someone were to help the guy post his edits (proxy editing)? After all, he considers the whole thing toxic, and so he should not be concerned about following toxic rules. Scuttled user (talk) 15:09, 7 May 2011 (UTC)Unrelated trolling struck. TNXMan 16:32, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
Digging and digging... -- œ 17:32, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
For what it's worth, the person whose comment I struck wasn't Jack Merridew - it was an unrelated troll. TNXMan 17:53, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
  • that one's not me, either. but I sure do bring all the trolls out of the woodwork. that's the whole pattern, here. (talk) 02:10, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

─────────────────────────The counting isn't really necessary, I've posted more times than those individuals have to this discussion. The bottom line is this stems from ArbCom things and Jack's interpretation of ArbCom things, and it further stems from someone storming off in a fury after being "damned" (in his words) by ArbCom for "technical breaches" (in ArbCom's words) of old restrictions, restrictions which he had every reason to believe would be lifted, and restrictions which he had technically violated with no hammer coming down from ArbCom, again reinforcing his belief that the restrictions would be lifted. With that said, was he violating our rules on civility and edit warring while contributing from this IP? Yes. Should he have been blocked for it? Yes. Is he doing these things right now? I'd argue no. I've seen and personally experienced far worse with no blocks given, let alone a full community ban. Remember that blocks are preventative, not punitive, and must serve to prevent damage to the encyclopedia. The question that must be asked is, should Jack be allowed to create an account and edit again, would he be a net positive to the project? I think for those who have seen his old talk page and looked through his contributions as "Jack Merridew", the answer to that question is obvious. N419BH 19:14, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Shemeska's vitriol is from my having battled grawp re the thousands of NN D&D articles in late 2007. teh wiki-wariors never forget anything. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:34, 8 May 2011 (UTC)


As a completely uninvolved admin, having read the preceding discussion, I find something resembling a Tortured Consensus (TM) that the user in question ("David", apparently), be required to register a new account, and to edit exclusively with that account (this meets the spirit of the Arbcom requirements, given the scuttling of the Jack Merridew account they specified). The account name should be declared here (or at least to Arbcom, if the user strenuously objects to what would be helpful transparency). If the user rejects this, they have effectively banned themselves, and should be blocked from editing as an IP. Over to you, David. Rd232 talk 23:58, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

G'day mates, all right, here's the new account, from a secure pool of IP addresses, and not an unsecure hotspot at a restaurant. Now it's time for you haters to find a different hobby. Sinceasked0 (talk) 00:19, 8 May 2011 (UTC) impersonator, blocked. Rd232 talk 02:12, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
Great, thank you. Hopefully this marks a "turning a new leaf" point where all concerned allow bygones to be bygones, and a new spirit of friendly collaboration in the pursuit of developing a great encyclopedia can flower. Rd232 talk 01:02, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
Hopefully all the restrictions will be archived. Improving articles in peace is a better job than having to fight over drama here and facing constant hassling from certain toxic personalities, mate. Sinceasked0 (talk) 01:06, 8 May 2011 (UTC) impersonator, blocked. Rd232 talk 02:12, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
Sinceasked0 (talk · contribs) is not mine. some impersonator. Rd232, this is not a matter for the community. still have to read what's gone on in the last 18 or so hours... Barong 01:57, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
(and I've disclosed this that *is* me). Barong 02:00, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
Sinceasked0 is not me; Barong is. cf Barong (mythology). (talk) 02:03, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
OK; I thought it seemed off but not enough to publicly doubt it. I extend the sentiments to you that, er, I thought I already had (above) :) Rd232 talk 02:12, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
I already read that. Should the impersonator account be blocked? I cannot do it, I am too involved. --Diannaa (Talk) 02:08, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
 Done Thank you, Rd232. -Diannaa (Talk) 02:11, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
Incidentally, I presume the impersonator is someone already permabanned... but if possibly not, such behaviour nearly merits it on its own. Rd232 talk 02:15, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
dunno, don't care, really. there's an old thread somewhere (email) about my role as 'flypaper'. I am irresistible to a lot of problematic editors. someone commented above about how many are involved. easily 80% of the detractors have a long history with me. Shemeska's a fine example. off-wiki there must be a lot of noise recruiting my old enemies for this. there are a few up there that I take seriously, and I'll have to work to mend those bridges. but for the most part, this whole thread is simply a typical insipid toxic trainwreck; it's what's wrong with this project. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:43, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
It was the same troll I blocked, above. If more impersonators pop up, please let me or another checkuser know - they're all probably the same troll. TNXMan 13:58, 8 May 2011 (UTC)


The owner of the place I'm staying has 4 cocks entered into a cockfight up in Taman and it starts in just a few minutes. I took pictures of them just before he set out, too. Anyway, the above editnotice contains a story about the Balinese love of their cocks, and I would like it undeleted. Terima kasih. (talk) 02:59, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Well, I can't see why not, so I've done it. Rd232 talk 03:24, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
thanks; User:Jack Merridew/Note switch 2, too (and it may pull in something...) I'll end up asking for it all to be undeleted. Barong 03:36, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
Make a list when you have a minute. On your talk page --Diannaa (Talk) 04:03, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
I may just wait until I've done the RfC-style RfA ;) Barong 04:11, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

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Possible legal threat[edit]

Hello. Actionems (talk · contribs) made this diff on the Action_Ambulance article. I am concerned that "Action will be taken" means legal action. Can someone please take a look? They also opened Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Action_Ambulance which I feel is a bad faith nomination based on the rationale that "the changes I make through "edit" keep getting undone. STOP UNDOING MY CHANGES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" --v/r - TP 16:58, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

It certainly appears someone close to them issuing a legal threat. I recommend an indef here. — Moe ε 17:02, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
In addition to the legal threat and the bad faith AfD, the editor has gone on a page-blanking spree on the article-at-issue. Agree on the indef bit. ɠǀɳ̩ςεΝɡbomb 17:05, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
Disagree with an indef block yet - I think things are escalating faster than they need to. This is someone who is distraught and confused about Wikipedia but I do not think is hostile. —Tim Pierce (talk) 17:09, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

I attempted working with this user on IRC. They came to IRC seeking help having the article deleted. I explained that it didn't appear to meet the criteria for article deletion but that they could attempt an AfD if they wished. The changes that keep getting undone appear to be their attempts at blanking the article. I don't think this is a bad faith nomination but is someone who's unfamiliar with Wikipedia and is a little panicked (she spoke of her boss "yelling at her" to get this article deleted), and I think the "action will be taken" bit is directed at vandals of the article, not at Wikipedia itself. —Tim Pierce (talk) 17:07, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

You've a cooler head than mine. So long as the user understands that her actions aren't, you know, cool, then I think, as an uninvolved party, that all is well. The AfD was speedily closed, by the way. Probably not technically a "bad faith" nomination (depending on your interpretation of that phrase), but certainly not an AfD that deserved to go the full 7 days IMO. Either way, thanks for chatting with her, hopefully this just resolves itself without further action. ɠǀɳ̩ςεΝɡbomb 17:12, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

It looks like a legal threat to me, so I've blocked them - but please consider it temporary, and anyone is welcome to revert that decision if other approaches look more fruitful -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 17:12, 10 May 2011 (UTC) (ec,ec,ec) (I made that decision several minutes ago, but struggled to post in the face of multiple edit conflicts -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 17:15, 10 May 2011 (UTC))

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Action_Ambulance (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

(edit conflict)User is now indef blocked - someone should probably procedurally close the AFD an if anyone is local to there or interested in the topic the article could use a good going over for improvement and wikification. Must be horrid having your boss shouting at you to get rid of that wikipedia article about us. - No worries as to the AFD its closed already. Off2riorob (talk) 17:14, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
I very strongly disagree with the indef block. I think this is going to make a difficult situation worse before it gets better. Would someone please consider reverting to at most a temporary (24 hour) block, or lifting the block entirely? —Tim Pierce (talk) 17:18, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
Hmm, we might have a bigger issue in terms of WP:COI on the article itself, looking through the history at User:ActionAmbulance. Someone might want to head over there and look through the history for this. If this is true, bosses yelling at people to delete the article, employees editing it, etc. we might want to semi-protect the article. — Moe ε 17:21, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
User:Oneofthescotts also appears to be an account designed to edit the article as well. — Moe ε 17:24, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
The article is a world of trouble, there's no doubt about that, but I don't think that indef blocking is going to improve anything. —Tim Pierce (talk) 17:28, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
I'm not exactly sure having single-purpose accounts unblocked to edit articles under the direction of their boss is any better :/ — Moe ε 17:34, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
FYI: Non-ambiguous legal threat now on the user's talk page as a result of the block. --- Barek (talk) - 17:23, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
Eek. So much for cooler heads. ɠǀɳ̩ςεΝɡbomb 17:27, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
So it's clearly not a hard-pressed employee - I think the block has to stay -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 17:28, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
Tim Pierce - You had mentioned that the user said their boss was yelling at them to delete the article. Now the user is saying they own the company. Does there edit on their talk page contradict your discussion with them?--v/r - TP 17:30, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
My guess is that the user I spoke with on IRC ("Rachael") has been pushed aside and the company owner has taken the keyboard themselves. —Tim Pierce (talk) 17:32, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Also, have a read of the article - rather than being defamatory, it seems to be positively glowing about the company - in fact, it's tagged as being too promotional. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 17:39, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
This was the original version she had a problem with, which was riddled with random statements such as "All Action's bases have two armed guards with backgrounds in special forces and can withstand numerous close range air-to-surface missile strikes." all throughout the article. - SudoGhost (talk) 17:40, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
This edit by Oneofthescotts gives a good summary of the problematic material. I'm not surprised that they got upset about the contents (especially if they were under the misapprehension that Wikipedia is a Yellow Pages directory or suchlike). —Tim Pierce (talk) 17:47, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
Yep, those old versions were bad, and dissatisfaction with them is certainly understood. And maybe it's just those old versions that the threat which started this today was all about. If so, and if we keep a close eye on the article, I'd hope we can defuse this -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 18:09, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
I'm pretty confident that those edits were the specific cause of all the excitement today, compounded by a poor communication path between us and the company owners who were apparently so frantic about how to respond. That's why I was concerned about escalation. So, yes, hopefully we can still defuse it if they're willing to participate in the process. —Tim Pierce (talk) 18:13, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
Supposing the account hasn't been abandoned because of this, I'm going to leave a message there inviting the company owners or employees to email me so I can explain how Wikipedia works to him/her/it/them. With some luck, this can get sorted to everyone's satisfaction. Cheers. lifebaka++ 00:16, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Red flag[edit]

I find it amusing that nobody blocked Oneofthescotts (who also socked as for the totally hilarious yet egregious vandalism [23]. Tijfo098 (talk) 05:24, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

I never ever want to acknowledge or even implicitly encourage vandalism in the slightest way (WP:RBI!!!) but damn I can't help but laugh at that. -- Atama 17:19, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

User Sitush is merging articles in undesired way[edit]


User:Sitush have removed content and merged 20 of the articles (List of schools in 'xxx Indian state xxx') ) started by me in an undesired way. Kindly review his actions. Mahesh Kumar Yadav (talk) 18:50, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Merging is not disruptive behaviour. Have you discussed this with Sitush? Fences&Windows 19:22, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
It wasn't merging but rather redirecting. Mahesh, who is the subject of a report above, today unilaterally split an article into numerous new, smaller articles & then inserted lists of redlinks in various places, created a page that had some sort of dependency on what he was doing (but was CSD'd before I saw it) and thus "broke" his scheme. His talk page today demonstrates numerous editors commenting on various recent actions and, I think, my redirects were the last straw for him. Within minutes of reporting me here he announced that he was taking a wikibreak,
It is all a little unfortunate, I am afraid. However, I stand by my actions, did try to advise him of a suitable course and have been trying to fix numerous issues which he has introduced in his recent spate of article creation. At least two editors who commented regarding how to deal with the articles which he is referring to above were admins (I am most definitely not!). - Sitush (talk) 19:38, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
Sitush, your efforts in cleaning up Mahesh Kumar Yadav's contributions is appreciated. I'm marking this section as resolved as the OP has chosen to take a break from editing and there is no admin action required here. --Jezebel'sPonyobons mots 13:46, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Multiple issues, editors uncivil, personal attacks, possible legal threats at Talk:Annuario della Nobiltà Italiana[edit]

A user with multiple sockpuppets "Contebragheonte" and may other identity, started an edit war on the voice and made uncivil and personal attack in the talk page and - most serious - stated a real name associating it to an user, that is a serious privacy violation under european and international law. Please some administrator can cancel the name. thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:30, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

There are a number of apparently real names listed in the arguments on that talk, but I can't easily work out which one you mean, or identify the legal threat. You may wish to email oversight-en-wp(at) with a WP:DIFF of the edit that you think needs removing for privacy reasons. Regarding the sockpuppetry, you may wish to file a case at WP:SPI. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 16:46, 11 May 2011 (UTC)


ANI is not an acceptable venue for reducing drama. Advice stands, try ignoring each other for a while. Barring that, WP:DR is that-a-way. This is largely a content dispute sprinkled with some sore feelings. ANI is not and will not become the venue for handling things of that nature. -- ۩ Mask 18:11, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
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Over the last week, this user has been engaging in a number of highly hostile and insulting posts towards me (ex: "pompous"). I've largely ignored reading what he's posted as soon as it became apparent he was launching yet another personal assault towards me. Tonight, it's quite coming to a head. To quote him, (referring to me) "That's what I'll say forever more, until you grow the fuck up." (see second part of the diff). I don't believe posting to WP:WQA is appropriate at this juncture, as MickMacNee has been blocked for civility issues on quite a number of occasions (see block log).

I'm not suggesting any particular course of action, but feel it's time for an administrator to step in. MickMacNee has been notified of this thread. --Hammersoft (talk) 02:23, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

It was a perfectly appropriate comment expressing the level of frustration his tendentious behaviour over NFCC induces. Go over to the Rfc and look at the exchange - he posted a huge section on how it doesn't matter what consensus concludes in it. I posted a large on point response. He then (wrongly) claimed that my criticism of his policy views represented an attack, no, to use his ridiculous term, an "assault", on him, and as such, he's not obliged to respond to any of it. He then continued to make the same points in the Rfc to other users, and then made a few more silly posts of the sort about how he's ignoring me etc etc. Who here wouldn't tell him to grow the fuck up after the 5th or 6th time you see this sort of pompous crap coming your way?
And the first diff is from a day or two ago when I laid out some of the finer points of the civility policy to him and how they compare to his frequent interactions with people on NFCC disputes, whereupon he claimed he abided by it and all other policies completely. A day or two later he was at Delta's talk page, where an IP had asked three times for a straight answer about some NFCC revert and got the usual back, and on the third time, Delta served him up 50 talk page archive links, and after that drew the predictable response, Hammersoft followed up with a suggestion that if the IP couldn't be bothered to read them, he shouldn't be commenting [24].
This is all simply a long pattern of incivil & tendentious behaviour all round from Hammersoft, much of it highly hypocritical and certainly all of it pretty self-unaware, so yes, it definitely needs to be looked into, if any responding admin is stuck for something to do after Hammersoft failed to offer a hint of what action he's seeking with this report. MickMacNee (talk) 02:47, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

  • I don't apologize for a second for edit warring on that template. A user dived in to a stable situation and began reverting based on 'no consensus', aided by a meat puppet. I was merely restoring the stable version, and indeed it was me who did the correct next step by seeking its protection to force the initiator to the talk page before it became a gangfuck. You can look at the talk page, where you will see unsurprisingly that there's no support for the reverters desired state, as was the case the many times it was discussed before, and to which I referred to in every revert summary, and during those past disputes, I was the only user doing things like posting to NPOVN to solve the dispute, rather than edit war, as others were doing.
  • My 'criticism' of that user is perfectly valid, I don't see what's wrong with it. If you can explain her actions, I'm all ears.
  • And yes, I started that thread, guilty as charged. What is the charge exactly? I reported someone making gross attacks and requested a very appropriate indef, and they duly got indeffed. And are still blocked. Have I misunderstood ANI's purpose? Was I supposed to do as Hammersoft did and just go on a fishing trip to get some unspecified action against someone I've got bored of being incivil to myself? Because oddly, your last diff is the one he's cited above, and I've already explained that above.
  • On that last point, yes, I treat everybody how I expect to be treated. If I post a lengthy post in a seperate section in an Rfc making some bold claims, I will expect rebuttals, and I will do those users the courtesy of replying to the substantive posts made, rather than being and continuing to be a wholly tendentious editor. I would certainly not piss them about for five or six posts playing silly buggers, claiming I have the right not to respond to anything if I deem it an "assualt", and claiming not to have seen diffs or other answers. MickMacNee (talk) 03:31, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

I think a large part of the problem is Mick *does* treat editors the way he wants (or expects) to be treated. This is NFCC, an area Mick and I have been at odds over before, and am on opposing sides with this RfC again so I hope I'm seen as impartial here. Some editors just have thick skin for these things. You can give him a big fuck you on one thing, then turn around and work together on another. It's issue by issue, and as long as you dont take it personally, it doesnt get personal. But if you do, Mick gets defensive and all of a sudden he really is going personal. Civil is as civil does, more or less. Mick isn't an angel in this, but just ignore him. Drop the stick. If its getting heated wander away for a while, come back later. Both of you. Constant bitching back and forth followed by ANI threads is not a way to reduce drama and tension. -- ۩ Mask 05:41, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Seems like sound advice. Tijfo098 (talk) 07:30, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

To dispel the untruth that Mick was restoring the stable version have a look at the below table and as usual Mick has done nothing wrong it is everyone else who are wrong, notice all his replies they all follow the same pattern Editor A does this Editor B says that but me I am just an upholder of all that is good and I'm fighting the righteous fight of protecting wikipedia,

Date User Version A Version B
20:40, 13 March 2011 Rannpháirtí anaithnid
20:54, 13 March 2011 MickMacNee
22:06, 24 March 2011 Snappy
23:30, 25 March 2011 MickMacNee
00:25, 26 March 2011 Rannpháirtí anaithnid
15:53, 26 March 2011 MickMacNee
12:06, 10 May 2011 Hans Adler
12:18, 10 May 2011 MickMacNee
12:46, 10 May 2011 Hans Adler
14:10, 10 May 2011 MickMacNee
14:27, 10 May 2011 Mo ainm
14:36, 10 May 2011 MickMacNee
Mo ainm~Talk 08:43, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
Seems like sound advice ignored. DeCausa (talk) 09:41, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

From the offset, I am one of the editors currently involved in the disagreement over at the British Isles template.

However, long long before then, my experience of Mick is that he is an extremely hostile editor of a similar ilk to Sarah777. I have been on the receiving end of hostility and abuse from both editors — from Sarah for supposedly advancing a "pro-British" and "anti-Irish agenda" on Wikipedia ... and from Mick for supposedly advancing a "pro-Irish" and "anti-British" agenda!

Civility matters. We cannot create a quality encyclopedia collaboratively without civility. While everyone breaches it once in a while (and we all need to accept that aspect of human nature), habitually incivil editors drain moral, energy and collaboration from the project.

Civility issues with Mick are a very serious problem in my view. Transferring the responsibility to deal with these issues onto others, such as with AKMask advice, can only get us so far. Yes, it is a good idea to walk away from abusive and uncivil editors. However, if one editor is consistently abusive towards others, it is that editor's conduct that needs to be examined — not others. Civility is a prerequisite for contributing to this encyclopedia.

I would propose a RFC/U on Mick and see what the community's view of him is. --RA (talk) 10:37, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

First off, I've never seen anything so incivil as to compare another editor to Sarah777. Unless you've got some diffs where I've been making some rather offensive allegories over the Irish tricolor, or have preceeded my involvement in each and every BI dispute venue with the stated intitial belief that all Irish are terrorists and Ireland is a nation with a history of terrorism, then for that insult on a high profile venue like the ANI board, I expect an immediate retraction. And frankly, it's not hard to be classified by the likes of Sarah as being "pro-British", she would classify anyone who didn't hold those sort of disgusting views as such (or if of irish descent, the exceedingly more offensive "West Brit"). And I certainly cannot recall ever labeling you as such (diffs for context?), but on the off chance I have, it was probably in response to the sort of behaviour that brings me onto the second point:
Instead of calling for a civility Rfc/U on me as a weapon to win the dispute at the Template:British Isles, I'd rather you filed a content Rfc to show some support for the following ideas: The British Isles template should change its state on different articles - this is how we do NPOV; That the British Isles is the sole terminology dispute where Wikipedia should be inventing new ways to present the NPOV, even though it's not done this way anywhere else; That Jimbo and quite a few other people with no horse in this dispute, and even a few Irish people, who have all debunked your position, know nothing about NPOV.
Because so far, you've shown no intention of doing anything in this dispute instead of rehashing and reheating it. I've yet to see you rebutt any of the major points on policy, precedent and technical issues. You've solicited input from the UK & Ireland boards, the NPOVN board, and all prior commenters (hopefully all, I haven't audited your selections). And unsurprisingly, you are getting the same feedback as the last time. If you remember, I raised this at NPOVN not once, but twice. The POV one liners & meat puppetry of the likes of Mo ainm carry no weight in this dispute, and neither does your repetitous rehashing the BI dispute or waffling about censorship.
Tbh, I'm contemplating raising an Rfc myself which would transplant your arguments to the general case, and show what implications that has for the likes of Template:Middle East, which I can guarantee would go down like a lead balloon as a proposed way of doing NPOV. This seems to me the only way you might finally drop the stick. Or maybe not. MickMacNee (talk) 14:58, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

We've been down the RfC route before with with MickMacNee. See Wikipedia:Requests for comment/MickMacNee, with one desired outcome listed as "MickMacNee will start commenting in a more civil way, and will stop attacking other users." It's worth reading. There are many other threads from this noticeboard regarding his behavior;

--Hammersoft (talk) 14:15, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Your name comes up pretty often on this noticeboard too. [25]. Are we to believe all of these are instance of editors praising your self-asserted view that you "abide by all policies and guidelines"? I'm pretty sure there's a guideline about not using the Incidents board to just stir up general drama. Or it may just be classed as common sense/decency, and thus goes under your tendentious radar. If you've got a specific request of an admin for the 'incident' you think you've raised by starting this section, then just state it. Unlike you at the Rfc, I shall be here as long as it takes, responding to whatever you come up with, as common decency requires. You won't hear a peep out of me about how you are "assaulting" me with this muck raking, or that you should go find another "platform" to express your clear and obvious "hatred" of me (I'm quoting words Hammersoft uses repeatedly in these situations). I shall not be invoking "Hammersoft's Law" which asserts my right to act like a child and stick my fingers in my ears and say 'naa naa naa I can't hear you' whenever anyone starts criticising my actions in policy or behaviour. If you're not happy with no admin agreeing with your views of the world, and if you or anyone else still want to raise an Rfc/U on me, then just do it. If you're just here to muck rake, then please retract your claim that you "abide by all policies and guidelines", because it's clearly nonsense. If I were to follow one particular example of your past tendentious behaviour on this board, I should have already sub-sectioned your collection of ANI threads already under some inflammatory heading like 'Hammersofts continued muckraking'. As I said above, your capacity for hypocrisy and complete self-unawareness is legendary, and it's probably raised often in the instances where your name comes up on this noticeboard. MickMacNee (talk) 14:58, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Persistent OR and lack of discussion/edit warring by Platinumshore[edit]

Platinumshore (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)

Platinumshore first appeared in January of 2011 to insert a paragraph into Peak oil. The many attempts to acquire adequate references for the new material (including difs) are documented in to (mostly ignored) complaints to 3RRN: [26] [27] On May 4, after the second 3RR request was not acted upon, Platinumshore again removed tags, and made minor cosmetic changes to the material (changing one discussion thread source for another), again with no discussion.

Assistance was also requested on wp:ea and ORn, though no comment was given. Given that this user refuses to discuss any changes, insists on removing tags such as CN and SYN giving no explanation, and only uses poor sources (such as discussion boards and youtube) for new material in a GA article, and given that this has been the pattern for 5 months, I request that some administrative action be taken.

This user only logs on every week or two to make the same changes, therefore a 3-day block will have no effect on their behavior. (talk) 20:51, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

You forgot to notify him 173. I've just done that now. Fainites barleyscribs 21:13, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
No sign of him editing at the moment. As you say - there are often quite long gaps between his edits. Fainites barleyscribs 21:43, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Platinumshore wrote an initial article on the effects of rising prices which remained unedited and was accepted for over 2 months, then for unknown reasons, possibly political as the tensions in the Middle East increased, was repetitively edited and invalid references were added by people unknown using ip addresses logins only to try to avoid the 3 login warring rule. If people wish to accuse Platinumshore of warring (when in fact he or she is merely keeping article factual correct) despite corruption from ip address only logins to the topic of POSSIBLE effects of rising prices than perhaps they should login first using their real account details so a valid debate can be held by all concerned parties. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Platinumshore (talkcontribs) 20:11, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

While use of alternate accounts to avoid detection is contrary to policy, unless it can be shown that the ip editors are indeed accounts attempting to hide their identity it should be assumed that these changes are made in good faith. Also, since Wikipedia can be edited by anyone - including ip accounts - you have no grounds to request that ip's should identify themselves. Lastly, you do not WP:OWN the article you started and any edit should be judged on the basis of its adherence to the policies and practices, including reverts by you. You are apparently quite mistaken on how things are supposed to work around here.
Opening the discussion up, I would also comment that the editor referring to themselves in the third person rings a bell with me - and unfortunately in regard possibly to a disruptive editor. Can anyone help here, to put to rest that possible angle? LessHeard vanU (talk) 20:41, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
The explanation is not correct either. Platinumshore themselves added inappropriate references. Neither have they made any attempt to discuss this despite requests. If what you say is correct, Platinumshore, then it should be possible to find a decent reference. There is no justification for not discussing this with other editors - certainly not because they are IPs. Unsourced information that is controversial or not obvious should and will be removed.Fainites barleyscribs 21:12, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Offwiki canvassing specifically targeting my contribs.[edit]

Martinoei (talk · contribs) claimed on my talk page that his blog readers insisted he do something about me - meaning he was canvassed to be a meatpuppet. He then posted on his blog two entries: 1 2 - asking readers to engage in revert warring. His blog is repeated by other blogs, so this has some traction. Along came a series of IP addresses and stale (had not edited in years) user accounts that began revert warring.

Recommended action for an admin:

Sign: SchmuckyTheCat (talk) 22:00, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

I believe your complain only is the personal attack on me. Please read his article in User:SchumckyTheCat/Mainland_China before examine the complain, his editing work only impose his political point of view in Wikipedia English. I don't want to change the Schumcky political faith, but he is changing the wording of Wikipedia to fit his political standpoint, this is vandalism. Before you complain me as meatpuppet, please think about your edits in the article.

Administrator, please drop the complain from this guy.

On the other hand, his Chinese nickname 猶太陰莖貓 is insulting Jewish and indecent in Chinese. The exact translation of his Chinese nickname is Jewish penis cat, why Wikipedia English can allow this kind of user to be editor? His nickname is a racism nickname. Please think it carefully. Martinoei (talk) 22:31, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Can someone offer an english translation of those blog posts and is Martinoei willing to confirm or deny those are their posts? Google translate is making a hash of the text. Protonk (talk) 22:45, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Er, yeah, is there a valid reason for having a racial slur in Chinese on SchmuckyTheCat's userpage? Fences&Windows 22:56, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
And "rice boy" is another blatant racial slur. Schmucky, please edit to remove racial slurs from your userpage. Fences&Windows 22:59, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
He actually can't, the page has been protected since 2008. Prodego talk 23:00, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
Actual link that is red linked above is User:SchmuckyTheCat/Mainland China, which is kind of troublesome.. — Moe ε 23:08, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
OK, good point. I've removed them. Cue hanging and flogging from the peanut gallery for being the "civility police"? Fences&Windows 23:12, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
Whoa, did somebody call the morals police? Rice boy is a term in the street car scene relating to cars that are done up aesthetically but not better at performance. This morality nonsense is clearly unnecessary IMO. Plus, how would "rice anything" be "racist" if the user himself is Chinese (from what I can put together)? I own a riced-up car too, and that makes me a "rice boy" as well. That's what people are called when they own a riced-up car. I don't get the controversy. -- 李博杰  | Talk contribs email 23:44, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
"how would "rice anything" be "racist" if the user himself is Chinese" While I agree "rice boy" wasn't necessarily the worst name I've ever heard, let's not open the "it's not racist if they themselves use it" can of beans. — Moe ε 23:56, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
I was confused by this too- where I live, 'ricer' is pointed at a person who drives Japanese cars of unimpressive quality but enhanced spiffiness. It's a car-related insult, unrelated to the race of the driver. I guess it might be racist against the people who manufactured the cars. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 01:06, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
@Moe_Epsilon: And still, I've no idea how "rice XYZ" is considered racist in the first place. Rice is a grain seed that grows from a plant in the ground, and is cultivated in Asia, where it is eaten as a staple food. Is there any reason why anyone should find "rice boy" demeaning? If we call newspaper delivery people "paper boys" and young monks that pray in temples "altar boys", why can't we call people "rice boys" in the same manner, regardless of the context of food or automobiles? If this is because of affirmative action or political correctness, then why not make Wikipedia more doubleplusgood by removing all crimethink? Removing things based on assumptions alone seems pretty Orwellian to me. -- 李博杰  | Talk contribs email 02:15, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
To be honest, I don't have an idea, you'd have to ask the people who thought it was a racist term to begin with, I never said it was. I know what rice is, I'm also familiar with the slang "rice boy" in terms of automobiles. :p — Moe ε 02:22, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
Can we come back to the original topic of this? I can't view the blog posts listed above, but if indeed Martinoei is using his blog to canvass off-wiki, that's got to stop. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 03:55, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Systematic vandalism from SchmuckyTheCat on Hong Kong related article[edit]

Please check the editing history from SchmuckyTheCat

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  • 22:00, 9 May 2011 (diff | hist) m Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents ‎ (→Offwiki canvassing specifically targeting my contribs.)
  • 21:59, 9 May 2011 (diff | hist) User talk:Martinoei ‎ (top)
  • 21:58, 9 May 2011 (diff | hist) Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents ‎ (→Offwiki canvassing specifically targeting my contribs.: new section)
  • 21:34, 9 May 2011 (diff | hist) m Tai Po Kau Station ‎ (tighter stub cat)
  • 14:07, 9 May 2011 (diff | hist) Category:Hong Kong rapid transit stubs ‎ (already in child categories.) (top)
  • 14:06, 9 May 2011 (diff | hist) m Shenzhen Bay Control Point ‎ (Reverted edits by Martinoei (talk) to last version by SchmuckyTheCat)
  • 14:06, 9 May 2011 (diff | hist) m Lotus Bridge ‎ (Reverted edits by Martinoei (talk) to last version by SchmuckyTheCat)
  • 14:05, 9 May 2011 (diff | hist) m Lok Ma Chau Station ‎ (Reverted edits by (talk) to last version by Alexlaw19)
  • 14:04, 9 May 2011 (diff | hist) m Lo Wu Control Point ‎ (Reverted edits by (talk) to last version by Qwyrxian)
  • 14:04, 9 May 2011 (diff | hist) m Lok Ma Chau Control Point ‎ (Reverted edits by (talk) to last version by SchmuckyTheCat)
  • 14:04, 9 May 2011 (diff | hist) m Man Kam To Control Point ‎ (Reverted edits by (talk) to last version by Alexlaw19)
  • 14:04, 9 May 2011 (diff | hist) m Sha Tau Kok Control Point ‎ (Reverted edits by (talk) to last version by SchmuckyTheCat)
  • 14:03, 9 May 2011 (diff | hist) User talk:SchmuckyTheCat ‎ (→Please respect Hong Kong own identity and culture)
  • 06:16, 9 May 2011 (diff | hist) User talk:SchmuckyTheCat ‎ (→Please respect Hong Kong own identity and culture)
  • 06:11, 9 May 2011 (diff | hist) Shenzhen Bay Control Point ‎ (Reverted to revision 428169546 by SchmuckyTheCat; curious resurrection of idle user in order to engage in edit war as proxy for banned user.. (TW))
  • 06:10, 9 May 2011 (diff | hist) Lotus Bridge ‎ (Reverted to revision 428169424 by SchmuckyTheCat; curious resurrection of idle user in order to engage in POV edit war as proxy for banned user.. (TW))
  • 04:38, 9 May 2011 (diff | hist) m Guangzhou-Shenzhen-Hong Kong Express Rail Link Hong Kong Section ‎ (grammar.) (top)
  • 02:48, 9 May 2011 (diff | hist) m Samsung SCH-U450 ‎ (top)
  • 02:29, 9 May 2011 (diff | hist) m Chinese Canadian ‎ (→References) (top)
  • 02:29, 9 May 2011 (diff | hist) m Chinese Canadian ‎ (→See also)
  • 02:26, 9 May 2011 (diff | hist) Wikipedia talk:WikiProject The Twilight Zone ‎ (→Vandals?) (top)
  • 02:18, 9 May 2011 (diff | hist) Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2011 May 2 ‎ (→Shinese) (top)
  • 02:10, 9 May 2011 (diff | hist) Chinese Canadian ‎ (→Language: why is this in blockquotes?)
  • 02:06, 9 May 2011 (diff | hist) List of Canadian cities with large Chinese populations ‎ (adding unsourced tag. the title says it is from the 2001 census, but we have no concurrence.)
  • 02:04, 9 May 2011 (diff | hist) List of Canadian cities with large Chinese populations ‎ (→List: the ethnic group column was unsourced and subject to an edit war. as contested unsourced material it should be removed.)
  • 01:31, 9 May 2011 (diff | hist) Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2011 May 8 ‎ (→Nudity in The Simpsons)
  • 01:00, 9 May 2011 (diff | hist) Sha Tau Kok Control Point ‎ (Reverted to revision 427940055 by SchmuckyTheCat; curious resurrection of idle user in order to engage in edit war as proxy for banned user.. (TW))
  • 00:56, 9 May 2011 (diff | hist) Shenzhen Bay Control Point ‎ (Reverted to revision 427940363 by SchmuckyTheCat; curious resurrection of idle user in order to engage in edit war as proxy for banned user. (TW))
  • 00:56, 9 May 2011 (diff | hist) m Shenzhen Bay Port ‎ (Reverted edits by Hillgentleman (talk) to last version by SchmuckyTheCat) (top)
  • 00:56, 9 May 2011 (diff | hist) m Posto Fronteiriço das Portas do Cerco ‎ (Reverted edits by Hillgentleman (talk) to last version by SchmuckyTheCat) (top)
  • 00:56, 9 May 2011 (diff | hist) Portas do Cerco ‎ (Reverted to revision 427944529 by SchmuckyTheCat; curious resurrection of idle user in order to engage in edit war as proxy for banned user. (TW)) (top)
  • 00:55, 9 May 2011 (diff | hist) Lotus Bridge ‎ (Reverted to revision 428090370 by SchmuckyTheCat; curious resurrection of idle user in order to engage in edit war as proxy for banned user. (TW))
  • 00:54, 9 May 2011 (diff | hist) Talk:Comparison of Internet Relay Chat clients ‎ (→Article blanking and "sources")
  • 00:46, 9 May 2011 (diff | hist) Huanggang Port Control Point ‎ (Reverted to revision 427944795 by SchmuckyTheCat; curious resurrection of long idle user account to engage in edit war as proxy for banned user.. (TW)) (top)
  • 00:46, 9 May 2011 (diff | hist) Futian Port Control Point ‎ (Reverted to revision 427941594 by Mato; curious resurrection of dead user account to engage in edit war for banned user. (TW)) (top)
  • 21:28, 8 May 2011 (diff | hist) Talk:Comparison of Internet Relay Chat clients ‎ (→Article blanking and "sources")
  • 21:27, 8 May 2011 (diff | hist) Talk:Comparison of Internet Relay Chat clients ‎ (→Article blanking and "sources")
  • 20:57, 8 May 2011 (diff | hist) Talk:Lotus Bridge ‎ (Reverted to revision 334874403 by WPArkansas Bot; this is in China, and belongs in the China Wikiproject.. (TW))
  • 20:56, 8 May 2011 (diff | hist) User talk:SchmuckyTheCat ‎ (→Please respect Hong Kong own identity and culture)
  • 15:39, 8 May 2011 (diff | hist) m Lotus Bridge ‎ (Reverted edits by (talk) to last version by SchmuckyTheCat)
  • 10:06, 8 May 2011 (diff | hist) Lotus Bridge ‎ (fix template.)
  • 10:00, 8 May 2011 (diff | hist) Lotus Bridge ‎ (Reverted 1 edit by Martinoei (talk); Really curious a user idle for three years will siddenly participate in an edit war. (TW))
  • 10:00, 8 May 2011 (diff | hist) Lok Ma Chau Station ‎ (Reverted 1 edit by Martinoei (talk); Really curious that a user idle for three years will siddenly participate in an edit war. (TW))
  • 09:59, 8 May 2011 (diff | hist) List of Canadian cities with large Chinese populations ‎ (Reverted 1 edit by Martinoei (talk); Really curious that a user idle for three years will siddenly participate in an edit war. (TW))
  • 04:34, 8 May 2011 (diff | hist) m List of Canadian cities with large Chinese populations ‎ (Reverted edits by (talk) to last version by SchmuckyTheCat)
  • 04:34, 8 May 2011 (diff | hist) m Lok Ma Chau Station ‎ (Reverted edits by (talk) to last version by SchmuckyTheCat)
  • 03:40, 8 May 2011 (diff | hist) User talk:SchmuckyTheCat ‎ (→May 2011)
  • 18:56, 7 May 2011 (diff | hist) Template talk:Guangdong – Hong Kong border crossings ‎ (→Requested moved)
  • 18:50, 7 May 2011 (diff | hist) User talk: ‎
  • 18:49, 7 May 2011 (diff | hist) User talk: ‎ (top)
  • 17:46, 7 May 2011 (diff | hist) Template:Guangdong – Hong Kong border crossings ‎ (Reverted to revision 427941531 by Mato; revert past banned user. (TW)) (top)
  • 17:44, 7 May 2011 (diff | hist) Huanggang Port Control Point ‎ (Reverted to revision 427928354 by Qwyrxian; make it easier, just revert past the banned user. (TW))
  • 17:42, 7 May 2011 (diff | hist) m Lotus Bridge ‎ (Reverted edits by (talk) to last version by SchmuckyTheCat)
  • 17:42, 7 May 2011 (diff | hist) m Portas do Cerco ‎ (Reverted edits by (talk) to last version by Mato)
  • 17:41, 7 May 2011 (diff | hist) m Posto Fronteiriço das Portas do Cerco ‎ (Reverted edits by (talk) to last version by Freakmighty)
  • 17:30, 7 May 2011 (diff | hist) User talk:SchmuckyTheCat ‎ (→WP:3RR)
  • 17:29, 7 May 2011 (diff | hist) Lok Ma Chau Control Point