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Ambi has blocked Bobblewik for two weeks for his efforts in unlinking dates and used rollback to reverse his most recent changes. I understand where she's coming from but I feel the block is a bit excessive. Bobblewik has not been trying to force the date linking issue - he uses the edit summary "Make date links match policy ie MoS(dates), MoS(links) etc. Revert or comment in MoS talk". I was happy to see those changes on pages on my watchlist and those who have not been as happy have reverted without problems. Discussion on this issue has been stagnant for some time and it seems to me that Bobblewik's efforts are a good way of generating wider discussion - but I'm obviously biased since I happen to agree with him :) - Haukur 07:59, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

If discussion has stalled, he should post here or at the Village Pump, not just assume "Silence=Agreemant" and instistute his changes en masse.--Sean Black (talk) 08:03, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
I will say this: even though I disagree with the unlinking project, when you revert his unlinks, he leaves it alone. He doesn't edit war over it. Sometimes I leave articles after his unlinking, and sometimes I roll them back (if the article is highly historical, where each year matters a great deal), but, whichever action I take, he doesn't pursue it. I agree that he should get positive assent, not lack of dissent, before making a mass change, but I also don't think a block of that duration is necessarily called for if that's the only issue. I doubt it is. Geogre 12:17, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
You can see Ambi's reasons for the block at User_talk:Bobblewik. - Haukur 12:27, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
She makes excellent points. I agree with her requests and therefore her block. I do hope he uses a separate account for his -bot. Geogre 13:45, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

There is also discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)#Can we document scope and duration of suspension of the Manual of Style? Thincat 13:13, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

  • "His efforts are a good way of generating wider discussion" sounds like WP:POINT to me - "state your point, don't show it experimentally". >Radiant< 14:26, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
    I may be nitpicking but WP:POINT refers to actions which one undertakes but doesn't actually want done just to prove a point. Bobblewik clearly believes that his changes are beneficial. Your new signature is striking, by the way. - Haukur 14:29, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
    I don't think that's nitpicking - it's an important thing. Just because someone perceives a bold action as "disruptive" doesn't make it a WP:POINT violation. (I hope I should know, I wrote large chunks of the guideline in question!) Personally I think Bobblewik's changes are largely beneficial, though I've disagreed with them in some cases - though not at all enough to demand he stop - David Gerard 16:05, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
  • I point out that his edits are strictly in line with the current recomendations of the MoS, and while this guideline has been much debated, a consensus to change it has not yet formed, as far as I can tell. Disclosure: i favor the current guideline, and have made soem edits of the same sort. But blocking soemone for editing in accordance with the current state of the MoS seems improper to me. DES (talk) 18:19, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Has he served enough time now? This is a good, experienced, civil, productive editor. I'm not sure a two week sentence is really the most beneficial way ahead. - Haukur 17:37, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
I have now been unblocked, thanks to Haukur. I am grateful to those that have spoken out against blocks of this kind. Anyone can try to get guidance changed if they don't like it, but targetting janitorial editors for implementing current guidance is wrong. If have asked a question on this issue at WP:VPP. Feel free to comment there. bobblewik 17:11, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

As discussed on the mailing list, style is a matter of personal taste and the manual of style is no excuse for bad behavior. --Tony Sidaway 18:05, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Personal style preferences are fine until they come into conflict. In a dispute, the Manual of style ranks higher than the personal taste of dissenting editors. bobblewik 11:58, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Male bikiniwearing[edit]

The deleted article Male bikini-wearing has re-appeared as Male bikiniwearing. Can someone delete it?? --Sunfazer (talk) 16:01, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Deleted and protected. Have a nice day. --cesarb 16:17, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
With Male bikini wearing already protected, maybe we can look forward to "Ma1e bikini wearing", "MALE BIKINI WEARING", "Male bikini wareing", etc. etc. --Deathphoenix 16:47, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
WP:BEANS. --cesarb 16:53, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
Male all natural bikini wearing v1agr4? Geogre 17:40, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
We may just wanna buy the guy a nice bikini and be done with it. Any cash left over from the Foundation drive last month? -- User:RyanFreisling @ 18:13, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
I said "MALE BIKINI WEARING" (with the space), but I guess the existence of the title without the space shows that my attempt at humour is already a reality. --Deathphoenix 18:36, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
"MALE BIKINI WEARING" has also apparently been a reality. ;) SyrPhoenix 18:39, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
Oh great. I'd better stop making suggestions, lest WP:BEANS comes into play. --Deathphoenix 19:49, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Just a thought: why don't we just have an actual article on this fascinating subject? --Tony Sidaway 21:49, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Can we see the AFD of the main/parent article? User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) Fair use policy 22:09, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
Why would males wear bikinis? I don't think the subject actually exists. It seems like a likely hoax. — Phil Welch Are you a fan of the band Rush? 22:11, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
Men wear lingerie, I seen it on Jerry Springer. Maybe a "protected redirect" to Cross dressing would suffice. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) Fair use policy 14:38, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
AfD voters went through Google, etc., and found no instances but those by the contributor of any "fetish" for men wearing bikinis, either fetish by wearers or spectators. The article was a hoax. The repetitions are further evidence of this one person's... interest. I know that no matter how bent the pot, there's a lid that fits, but if there is anything genuine about it, it hasn't managed to be mention in newsgroups or get web discussion. Given the nature of the web, that's a pretty damning indictment. Geogre 03:01, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Wow. Being a fetish not found anywhere on the web alone is almost enough to make this topic notable ;) -- grm_wnr Esc 07:28, 5 February 2006 (UTC)


Reneec (talk · contribs) has been (1) edit warring in the Memphis, Tennessee article about the inclusion of a blurb on a seemingly non-notable musician (and his picture), first in the intro, and now in the "arts" section, of the article, (2) has altered other editors' comments on talk pages ([1], [2] and (3) has made personal attacks (or at least made uncivil comments) about three editors ([3], [4] & [5]). Reneec is adamant about inclusion of David Saks in the Memphis article, despite growing consensus on the article's talk page that perhaps he's not even notable enough to have an article on Wikipedia. - Jersyko talk 21:20, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

  • Though this deletion was on Reneec's own talk page, since the comments removed were merely exhorting Reneec to stop making personal attacks and provide verification of the David Saks information, I wanted to post notice here as this might demonstrate a complete lack of interest in compromise or following Wikipedia policy on the user's part. - Jersyko talk 21:40, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Reneec (talk · contribs) is also engaging in blanking his/her own talk page. RadioKirk talk to me 21:52, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

User has broken the three revert rule on Memphis, Tennessee - at least three reverts in the past 24 hours to replace the disputed picture of Mr. Saks, [6] [7] [8] and at least one to replace text regarding how many of Mr. Saks's songs are 'official songs' of Memphis. [9] There have also been two reverts, one for the picture and one for the text, by IP addresses belonging to the same ISP, XO Communications. [10] [11]. As neither IP has had any other edits in the past two months, these seem suspicious.
Reneec has even reverted a user who disambiguated several links on David Saks. [12] S/he does not seem at all willing to even attempt to work on reaching consensus on these articles. -- Vary | Talk 22:05, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Reneec just made this edit to this page. I would appreciate it if someone else agreed that it is merely a personal attack and removed it. P.S.: not that it really matters, but I am from Memphis. - Jersyko talk 22:26, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
  • I have added a totallydisputed tag to the David Saks article, as the language used in this article is violative of NPOV on its face, and the factual accuracy is disputed on the Memphis talk page. Reneec has removed the tag twice. - Jersyko talk 20:06, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Reneec has posted this on my talk page. It seems that we will not get that elusive source from him/her and that he/she has no interest in providing one. Thus, all we are left with is unsourced information, which is probably best termed a vanity article at this point, and incivility/vandalism from Reneec. Though I am not an administrator, I see no reason why a block should not be instituted at this point. - Jersyko talk 22:05, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
  • I posted a checkuser request regarding this Afd and Reneec. As backlogged as that page is, though, I wonder if someone would mind taking a quick look? The relevant users are Reneec,, and Thanks. - Jersyko talk 14:55, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Request for intervention or semi-protection[edit]

At Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/65.182.172.x, there is an attempt to resolve an ongoing dispute with an anonymous user. An integral component of the disagreement is that the anonymous user is posting people's personal information at wikipedia and obfuscating their discussions to intimidate them and is engaging in repeated Ad Hominem Attacks. Could someone please look and advise - you will have to look in the history of the page most likely to make heads or tails of the situation. Thanks. Cyberdenizen 08:08, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Overnight the page was edited so severely and the formatting intentionally destroyed by the anonymous user, to the point of what I would consider vandalism. This is what the RfC looked like before he mangled it [13] and this is what it looks like now. Since I am an involved party, I don't want to just revert away his edits, and I also don't know if I should move his new 50 or so unsigned edits to the already defined format of the RfC - he has placed his rebuttals at the top of the page and interspersed comments and rebuttals throughout the page to the point of unreadability. If anyone reads here, would you please comment or advise me on what I should do? This is /was obviously an attempt to resolve a dispute. Cyberdenizen 15:37, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Being uncertain what is appropriate in this instance, I have moved all of his edits to the 'Response' section. Again, any comment or advice would be most appreciated.-Cyberdenizen 18:10, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

I blocked one of the IPs for a month after it was reported on the personal attack intervention board. If further conduct of the same nature comes from that range, let me know and I'll block. Essjay TalkContact 15:10, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Under the Plotinus "Plotinus and the gnostics" bio a group of posters have insisted on reverting from comments published about Plotinus from scholarly works to POV. They have now not only refused to answer questions. But after refusing to clarify their theories through accepted scholars'works now revert back to opinion rather then accepting posted comments by a renowned scholar. Please interven. Opinion and theory have no place being presented as history here on wikipedia.

LoveMonkey 20:23, 6 February 2006 (UTC)


I do not pretend to know the copyright laws that we abide by here, but this seems to be a possible violation. [14] 05:41, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

I've marked this for speedy deletion as a blatant copy/paste from NYT. Crotalus horridus (TALKCONTRIBS) 05:44, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
speedied.--Alhutch 05:45, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Hi folks - that was 3 paragraphs, out of about a dozen or so, which I pasted to store in my user space for an upcoming edit. I didn't mean to violate copyright - does an excerpt like that count as a copyvio? Thanks and sorry for the inconvenience! -- User:RyanFreisling @ 06:22, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Hi Ryan...glad to see a pretty face in such ugly situations as of late. You should fix it up first (somewhat) and then re-submit. No one should delete it then. Perhaps consider using the inuse template. Thanks.Voice of AllT|@|ESP 06:26, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Usage of an excerpt of copyrighted material would be permitted under fair use, but that would only be permitted in the article namespace. Making slight modifications to the text really isn't adequate to avoid a copyright violation. It might be a better idea to store the NYT article on your hard drive (I assume you're using it only as a source anyway). — TheKMantalk 06:40, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Well I mean that she should trim/add and modify and paraphrase before putting it in here...even if much of the topics are the same.Voice of AllT|@|ESP 06:44, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
I sort of acted in haste, didn't mean to imply any bad faith on RyanFreisling's part.--Alhutch 06:43, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
No worries, folks - thanks to everyone :) -- User:RyanFreisling @ 13:39, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Phyrex is a sock of Antistatist[edit]

Phyrex (talk · contribs) is a sock of Antistatist (talk · contribs), being used for nothing but stoking the userbox wars. Check the contribs. I have to get to work now, but could someone please block Phyrex indefinitely, Antistatist 48 hours for being an inflammatory sockpuppeting dick and delete the rubbish created by Phyrex. Thanks - David Gerard 07:17, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

phyrex is already indef blocked by Jimbo. see here.--Alhutch 07:19, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Also has nothing on their contribution page, so I assume all of their edits were already deleted.--Alhutch 07:20, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Yes, Jimbo himself nuked them out, as he said on his talk page. Titoxd(?!? - help us) 07:24, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Jimbo blocked Phyrex indefinitely for trolling:

  • 04:31, 6 February 2006 Jimbo Wales blocked "Phyrex (contribs)" with an expiry time of indefinite (blatant trolling)

It follows that Antistatist should be blocked indefinitely. --08:05, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

After discussion with Tony Sidaway I've blocked Antistatist (talk · contribs · logs) indefinitely, per the general conventions that policy applies to people, not just accounts. --MarkSweep (call me collect) 08:09, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

The Cunctator's attacking userbox[edit]

I've removed three times a very aggressive userbox from Cunctator's userpage: [15] [16] [17] on the grounds that it goes against civility pillar. The fact that one dislike some wikipedians does not justify namecalling. Requesting politely to stop has been fruitless, so I'm requesting help on enforcing policy and guidance for further channels of action if this continues. -- ( drini's page ) 07:26, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Yeah that subst template meets the new CSD Template #1 requirements by Jimbo. It is nonsense and should be removed on sight. People who put that kind of stuff up should be warned and blocked if they revert war.Voice of AllT|@|ESP 07:37, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
It's not really a template, but a modification on a substed template. So there's nothing to speedy, nonetheless, it's a very incivil and inflammatory userbox -- ( drini's page ) 07:43, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
LOL, it's true, CVU is fascism/totalitarianism. Alias Wooga 07:46, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Yes, that's not the problem though. Anyone is entitled to disagree or dislike. It's the uncivil namecallign that it's uncalled for. -- ( drini's page ) 08:19, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Calling an organization "retarded" is not a personal attack. Eli Cartan 08:32, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
I didn't claim it was a personal attack. I claim it's uncivil and therefore against official policy. -- ( drini's page ) 08:38, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
WP:CIVIL doesn't say anything about removing everything you find to be uncivil. It says "Try and discourage others from being incivil, and be careful to avoid offending people unintentionally." It's hard to say that this editor's opinion is negatively affecting the editing of articles. WP:CIVIL offers a number of different ways to discourage incivility, of which removing the incivility is only one (controversial) way. Another few you might try are:
  • Do not answer offensive comments. Forget about them. Forgive the editor. Do not escalate the conflict.
  • Ignore incivility. Operate as if the offender does not exist.
  • Walk away. Wikipedia is a very big place.

KWH 13:20, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Kill it with fire. --Ryan Delaney talk 15:09, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes...we should delete it. Let us not allow an "anything goes", "tolerate whatever the hell anyone says no matter what" "laissez-faire" policy. Now that is against common sense.Voice of AllT|@|ESP 15:17, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Kill kill kill! The Cunctator 03:24, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Faster, Pussycat! Kill! Kill!?--Sean Black (talk) 03:28, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
I think it burns at Fahrenheit 451. Is Anything Goes really that bad? VoA is right to reference Common Sense: "O ye that love mankind! Ye that dare oppose, not only the tyranny, but the tyrant, stand forth!" -The Cunctator 03:47, 7 February 2006 (UTC)


I'm requesting, at this point, an indefinite block, partly under the guidelines of Wikipedia:Blocking_policy#Disruption, specifically, "excessive personal attacks", but also for the regular disruption of "...the normal functioning of Wikipedia." Citations (not including recent) are available on the users talk pages, & in-depth looking will see nearly all of this user's edits constantly reverted, the user repeatedly asked & then warned to desist, & other disruptive & Vandal behavior. I've tried to refrain from interacting with this user lately & leave it to some Admins what with some possibly valid sockpuppet tags, but it has gone too far for too long, especially after his "Vandal" & "insane user" comments, & slander towards Freemasons. Grye 11:25, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

After reading the diffs... and going through the users contributions... All I have seen are abusive comments, personal attacks, complete ignoring of WP:CIVIL, edit warring, and vandalism. As this user is CLEARLY disruptive, I have blocked indefinately. Grye you also need to pay more attention to WP:CIVIL you came quite close to if not slightly over the edge in some of your responses.  ALKIVARRadioactive.svg 13:51, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Thankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyou . & most importantly (about the rest), is yes, I recognize that I let myslef be "pushed over the edge" & /or otherwise show incorrigible behavior myself, & stand ready for consequences, but I have, & have often showed, a new restraint & thus that I'm learning & (I hope) applying at near the speed of light (OK, I admit, cable...) ;~D Grye 02:56, 7 February 2006 (UTC)


[I've moved this from RfAr as, err, it's not an Arbitration case matter; he's already banned from such activities. James F. (talk) 11:44, 6 February 2006 (UTC)]

Onefortyone/Anon al[edit]

Involved parties[edit]


Previously the edits by Onefortyone/Anon al to the Nick Adams and other articles had been orchestrated through referencing and targeted linking to insinuate that Elvis Presley was gay. On the issue of repeated insertion of information that Elvis Presley (and other celebrities) were gay, Onefortyone/Anon al was found guilty by the Arbitration Committee here of fabricating information and inserting "fraudulently doctored text" into an article as seen here: [18]

As a result, the Arbitration Committee ruled as follows: "Onefortyone is placed on Wikipedia:Probation with respect to the biographies of celebrities. He may be banned from any article or talk page relating to a celebrity which he disrupts by aggressively attempting to insert poorly sourced information or original research. "

User Onefortyone/Anon al has continued his exact same orchestrations and has inserted fabricated information into the article on Nick Adams. His actions have put Wikipedia at serious risk of a substantial lawsuit for libel from a vile fabrication that defames a living person in the most vicious and degrading manner possible.

Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request

Statement by party 1

In the Nick Adams article under the heading Rumors and sexuality, it says "at the time of his divorce in 1965" after which Onefortyone/Anon al inserted degrading and libelous text against Carol Nugent here that states:

  • "He won this bitter court battle after proving that his wife was an unfit mother because she had an affair with another man."

In fact, Nick Adams and his wife were never divorced. This fact is confirmed by the IMDb biography Nick Adams on IMDb that is on the article's External links. In addition, as seen here Image:NickAdams-deathcertificate.jpg in the image of Nick Adams' 1968 Death Certificate from (and available for purchase at here or also at here, the name of his surviving spouse is listed. NOTE that there is an article section Nick Adams#Marriage, divorce and death that specifically quotes exact words from the Death Certificate.

Previously complainant Ted Wilkes and User:Wyss attempted to put an end to the massive and disruptive fabrications and orchestrations by Onefortyone/Anon al but were then banned by the Arbitration Committee here from ever editing anything related to sexuality. User:Wyss is afraid so treaded carefully but did her best to at least qualify Onefortyone/Anon al's libelous fabrication here.

Further, Onefortyone/Anon al inserted here in the same Rumors and sexuality section that Nick Adams and Elvis Presley may have had a relationship in violation of the ArbCom probation order

In addition, here, Onefortyone/Anon al knowingly and deliberately doctored (in red) the writing by his Wikipedia Mentor User:FCYTravis to falsely state that gay gossip writer Gavin Lambert knew Nick Adams:

  • The basis for the claims, thus, are "statements by gay people who knew Adams well such as Gavin Lambert and" personal interviews allegedly to have taken place with third parties, the veracity of which are subject to debate and interpretation.

Motion and request by party 1

1) That Onefortyone/Anon al be permanently banned from editing all celebrity articles and that he be banned from making any edit related to a person's alleged homosexuality or bisexuality;

2) That Onefortyone/Anon al post an apology to Carol Nugent on Talk:Nick Adams;

3) That Onefortyone/Anon al post an apology to the Talk pages of Wikipedia:Mentorship Committee members User:Marudubshinki, User:FCYTravis, and User:NicholasTurnbull for his conduct because they will be named in any libel lawsuit as parties liable for his conduct;

4) That, as Jimmy Wales did with respect to similar libel at Alan Dershowitz and John Seigenthaler Sr., delete permanently the libelous statement in accordance with Jimmy Wales Talk] that says:

  • It is not possible for us to keep revisions public which are libelous. - 12:37, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
  • It has always been our policy to delete libellous revisions - 18:27, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Statement by party 2

It seems as if User:Ted Wilkes, who is also placed on probation for frequently having removed my edits (see [19]), still tries to denigrate my contributions as he did in the past. To my mind, he made an unfounded request for arbitration falsely accusing me of having inserted fabricated information into the Nick Adams article and claiming that Adams and his wife were never divorced. Significantly, this request was immediately deleted by a Wikipedia administrator. Indeed it is not necessary to re-open the case. It should also be noted that Ted Wilkes more than once made such requests in order to denigrate other users including reputed members of the arbcom, such as Fred Bauder. See [20]

Nick Adams's divorce from his wife is mentioned on the following webpages:

  • "... he had waged a long and tedious divorce and custody battle with his ex-wife, Carol Nugent... Nick won an expensive custody battle after proving that Carol was an unfit mother because she was having an affair with a fellow named Paul Rapp." See [21]
  • "He had a troubled life, which included separating from his wife (but retaining custody of his 2 children)..." See [22] and [23]
  • "His personal life was in turmoil as well, as he and wife Carol Nugent became increasingly estranged." See [24]
  • "... unfortunately by the time he got back to the states it had already severed his marriage with actress Carol Nugent." See [25]
  • "Married to actress Carol Nugent, and his divorce from her was expensive. However, he won the case, since it was proved Nugent had an affair, and he was given custody of their two children." See [26]

Here is the best account of Adams's divorce from his wife:

  • "While appearing on 'The Les Crane Show' the following evening to plug Young Dillinger, Nick shocked audiences by announcing that he was leaving his wife. ... After that announcement, Nick's career and personal life went into a tragic free fall. Nick and Carol publicly announced a reconciliation a week later, on Jan. 19. ... Alienated from Carol, Nick fell in love with actress Kumi Mizuno and even proposed marriage to her later. ... Nick and Carol's reconciliation didn't survive Japan. At the end of July 1965, they decided on a legal separation. Carol filed for divorce in September. Nick was still in Japan when Carol was granted a divorce and custody of the children on Oct. 12. On Jan. 26, 1966, Nick and Carol announced another reconciliation on a local television show, 'Bill John's Hollywood Star Notebook.' It wouldn't last. ... On Nov. 26, 1966, Carol resumed divorce proceedings and obtained a restraining order against Nick. Carol alleged that Nick was 'prone to fits of temper' and in a special affidavit charged that Nick had 'choked her, struck her and threatened to kill her during the past few weeks.' 'I'm going to fight this thing all the way,' Nick said. 'I want to keep possession of my home and possession of my children.' It was the beginning of an acrimonious, contested divorce and child-custody battle. Nick became enraged after discovering that Carol's boyfriend was physically disciplining his children and telling them that Nick was 'a bad man' and a 'bad daddy.' Nick hired an attorney, former L.A.P.D. officer Ervin Roeder. Robert Conrad says, 'He (Roeder) was a very, very tough guy and he was a kind of man that was tough to like.' Nick got a restraining order prohibiting Carol's boyfriend from coming to the family home and being in the presence of the children. On Jan. 20, 1967, while waiting for a court hearing to begin, Nick was served with an $110,000 defamation suit by the boyfriend. Ervin Roeder's job was to wrest custody of Allyson and Jeb Adams from their mother. It was one he did well. On Jan. 31, Nick won temporary custody of his children. It was a hollow victory in his tug of war with his wife. Jeb Adams said, 'He saw it as a competition, basically, more than anything of getting custody of us. But, a matter of a week or two later, he gave us back to my mom.' She later regained legal custody of her children." See [27]

Now Ted Wilkes seems to have discovered a new document relating to the death of Nick Adams. I am not sure what this means. Could it be that Carol Nugent is mentioned as Adams's official widow because the divorce was not through at the time of his death? If so, this information may be added to the Nick Adams article. That's all. Onefortyone 01:02, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Response by Ted Wilkes:

  • As stated above, Onefortyone does what he always does and uses massive text and blustery to obfuscate the facts. He provides "sources" that are personal websites in contradiction of official Wikipedia policy and others that simply quote from the them. However, the issue here is that in falsely asserting Adams and his wife were divorced, Onefortyone maliciously libeled Carol Nugent-Adams by stating: "He won this bitter court battle after proving that his wife was an unfit mother because she had an affair with another man." - Ted Wilkes 13:51, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, Ted, the truth is that this information comes from journalist Bill Kelly: "Nick won an expensive custody battle after proving that Carol was an unfit mother because she was having an affair with a fellow named Paul Rapp." See [28] Further, would you please stop calling me a "convicted liar" (see [29]), as this is certainly a personal attack. Onefortyone 00:49, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
Hey 141, I don't think it's helpful to call you a "convicted liar," since you may sincerely believe this codswallop and may have spun and manipulated all that text to fit what you in good faith believe to be true. I mean, maybe you're only gullible or whatever. That's an easy trap to fall into with celebrity bios. However, the old tabloid assertions that Adams and his wife were divorced are brought into serious question by his death certificate, which lists him as "married" and further names "Carol L. Adams" (his wife) as the informant. Wyss 01:16, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

The arbcom says about sources for popular culture:

Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:Reliable sources do not specifically address the reliability required with respect to popular culture such as celebrity gossip, but it is unrealistic to expect peer reviewed studies. Therefore, when a substantial body of material is available — e.g., that shown by a google search for 'bisexual "James Dean"' [30] — the best material available is acceptable, especially when comments on its reliability are included.

  1. Fred Bauder 14:03, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
  2. ➥the Epopt 14:43, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
  3. James F. (talk) 22:38, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
  4. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 20:36, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
  5. Jayjg (talk) 19:20, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
  6. Raul654 19:49, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
  7. Neutralitytalk 21:52, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Ted Wilkes and Wyss's view of the standard of editing[edit]

8) Ted Wilkes and Wyss have repeatedly insisted on an unrealistic standard with respect to negative information regarding celebrities that is current in popular culture, gossip and rumor Talk:James Dean#Removal of "Rumors" section [31] and Talk:Nick Adams#Rumors, gossip or speculation contravene official Wikipedia policy

  1. Fred Bauder 14:03, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
  2. ➥the Epopt 14:43, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
  3. James F. (talk) 22:38, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
  4. Jayjg (talk) 19:20, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
  5. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 04:16, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
  6. Raul654 19:49, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
  7. Neutralitytalk 21:52, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

This is a clear statement. Onefortyone 02:26, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Why does this need a case reopening? From the statement, it sounds like we just need some administrators to enforce the previous ruling. Dmcdevit·t 07:55, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
It doesn't. Moved.
James F. (talk) 11:44, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Not that I have a hope anyone will listen to me :) ...But I think this RfA should be re-opened. Wyss 22:54, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
"...Nick Adams and Elvis Presley may have had a relationship in violation of the ArbCom probation order."
Ha! who knew the ArbCom had this kind of power? :D --Tabor 00:47, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Double degree and User:Howardjp[edit]

For some considerable time this user has been obsessively removing a list of universities from this article, as well as trying to turn its original British English into U.S. English, often with edit summaries like "rv vandalism". No amount of reasoning affects him (after ten or so editors had all explained on the Talk page and at Wikipedia talk:External links that the list wasn't linkspam, for example, he continued to insist that it was). One or two admins have tried to calm him down and get him to stop, but he accuses them of harassing him, and contiunues to insist that his behaviour is correct. Any help would be appreciated. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 14:26, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

I've made a note on his talk page about the use of British English and American English as it pertains to the style guide. --Deathphoenix 14:34, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. I hope that it works. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 18:54, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Howard blanked his talk page but hasn't made any other edits as of the time of this posting. Hopefully it means he's gotten the point. --Deathphoenix 19:09, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

User page deletion[edit]

SOmeone deleted a set of links I had off my user page, non content was the reason, but geez I didn't even get a message on my talk page. Can someone please restore them? They were for an article. Deletion Log Entry Dominick (TALK) 17:11, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Undeleted. That was a rather silly deletion, but to avoid this in the future, you may want to put some sort of descriptive text on your user subpages. android79 17:13, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Incidently, they were at Dominick/links instead of User:Dominick/links. I moved them. Friday (talk) 17:15, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
(after EC) Ah, now I see why this happened. You put it at Dominick/links, not User:Dominick/links. Friday moved it into your userspace for you. android79 17:16, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Thanks guys! Dominick (TALK) 20:11, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[edit]

Yet another vandalism, this time to the Area 51 article. *sigh* Her Pegship 20:18, 6 February 2006 (UTC)


Keeps deleting Afd and speedy tags and is talking about censorship. User has been warned several times and has been engaged in several edit wars over the removal of tags from his articles. Dr Debug (Talk) 21:37, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[edit]

This editor has consistently appended unencyclopedic and unnecessary information to the Michael Schiavo article and has violated 3RR. I imagine that either the user should be blocked (perhaps for 24 hours) or that the article should be semi-protected (perhaps for the same period). Joe 21:34, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Peruvianllama took care of this himself, for which I thank him. No need for any further admin action, then, I imagine. Joe 22:15, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
For future reference, you may wish to use WP:AIV to request administrator attention against vandalizing, WP:RfPP for requesting page protection, and WP:AN/3RR to report violations of 3RR. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 22:09, 7 February 2006 (UTC)


I've been removing a copyrighted image from Remington 870, and have now exceeded three reverts. This is a copyrighted image (it's all over remington's site and Am I violating 3rr by continuing to remove it? I have "welcome"'d the user, requested that they stop, etc. I'd like some administrator intervention here. Thanks aa v ^ 21:49, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Someone arrived before me. However, reverting copyright violations will not count against 3RR. In this case, both the image and the added text are apparently not licensed in a way that is acceptable for Wikipedia. So I would say you can freely remove it. --Stephan Schulz 22:24, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Recently the user's activity has included blanking. Sigh. aa v ^ 22:45, 6 February 2006 (UTC)


This guy has been going around on a bunch of highway articles, changing the shields to deprecated (redundant), wrong, and nonexistent images. I know this guy from outside Wikipedia, and he has some mental/comprehension/whatever problems (possibly autism?). I have asked him multiple times what he is doing, with no response. I would appreciate if someone else would look at this and try to get through to him, and also to advise me on whether I will get blocked for 3RR if I continue to revert him (as it is not quite vandalism) - or more precisely, will someone unblock me if another admin does block me for such a reversion? --SPUI (talk - don't use sorted stub templates!) 22:20, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Well he seems to have stopped for now. --SPUI (talk - don't use sorted stub templates!) 23:01, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

User:Derek R Bullamore[edit]

I need a few administrators to keep a close eye on him. He's been editing since December, and appears to be adding a lot of sneaky vandalism. For example, he's changed birth dates to be a year out, has added false middle names, and has changed cities of birth. I don't want to block as some changes, such as adding Kurt Nilsen's middle name, are proper. I need a few experienced admins to keep a close eye - He's been warned, and he doesn't seem to answer queries, so if he does sneakily vandalise anything I think he should be blocked. Hedley 23:25, 6 February 2006 (UTC)


Dante26 (talk · contribs) was previously blocked for a week for creating hoax articles and deleting the AfD tags when the articles were tagged as hoaxes. Has now come back and is recreating the hoaxes and even creating more. I have blocked him indefinitely, but apparently blocking him causes collateral damage to lots of AOL users. See his Talk page. He was also posting as User:Opy67. User:Zoe|(talk) 23:54, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

  • Deleting his account might be the only way, he seems intent on cycling thorugh every AOL range after he's sure of his block, seems like an intent driven denial of service attack-- 01:59, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

User:Τroll penis[edit]

The user has openly given out his password on his talk page. I can see trouble ahead from him and those who access his account. Pat Payne 02:14, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Looks like this user was given an indefinite {{UsernameBlock}}. Crotalus horridus (TALKCONTRIBS) 02:18, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
He's flooding his talk page now. — TheKMantalk 02:42, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Protected. Titoxd(?!? - help us) 02:45, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Indef-blocked user's password also now changed to random string. -- Karada 02:53, 7 February 2006 (UTC)


Could somebody semiprotect this, or something? The fark-flood are vandalising it. :( aa v ^ 02:45, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

I semi-protected it to ward off vandalism flood from fark. Babajobu 02:49, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
gracias, jobu. aa v ^ 02:56, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
For future reference, you may wish to WP:RfPP to request protection or semi-protection of articles. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 22:08, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

MFD nomination of User RFC page[edit]

I take this step only reluctantly, but the explosion of incivility in the past couple of days on Wikipedia has convinced me to do it. I've nominated WP:RFC/USER for deletion since the process is so badly broken that we couldn't come up with a worse replacement if we tried. All it does is serve as an opportunity for bile to be spilled and as a step of paperwork on the path to ArbCom. It is most certainly not a method of dispute resolution, as I can't think of a single dispute that has been resolved through it - only escalated. WP:AAP shows the community's unhappiness with this page, which is near-universal and that I feel justifies this unusual nomination. Crotalus horridus (TALKCONTRIBS) 03:32, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

The nom has twice been reverted, the second time was by me and I speedy closed the nom. JtkieferT | C | @ ---- 03:37, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
You and Netoholic could try discussing it instead. Crotalus horridus (TALKCONTRIBS) 03:38, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
I think it would be best to discuss WP:RFC/USER without placing it on MfD. — TheKMantalk 03:40, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
It may be the only way to break the logjam. Is anyone happy with the current RFC process? The discussion on WP:AAP was scathing, and few people who have been through it (on either end) are particularly pleased with it. Crotalus horridus (TALKCONTRIBS) 03:41, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
From a narrowly please-tell-me-again-how-wonderful-I-am, I am pleased enough with Requests for comment/Bishonen, but it's also an extreme example of the vexatious litigation that plagues WP:RFC. I'm with Crotty, please throw out this broken degenerate crappy bad-faith-encouraging system and start afresh. Bishonen | talk 04:32, 7 February 2006 (UTC).
I speedy closed the nom since it was a ridiculous first step when there are much better solutions (discussion being the first one that comes to mind) to fix it rather than putting it up for deletion and putting it up for MFD in itself is fairly out of line due to the fact that deleting the CFD page would mean taking out an eseential part of the dispute resolution process which I think most editors will agree is quote crucial. JtkieferT | C | @ ----
It already has been discussed - see WP:AAP. It's time to do something about it. What other method would you recommend that {A} respects community consensus, and {B} will actually break the logjam? Crotalus horridus (TALKCONTRIBS) 03:44, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Like disruptively nominating a page for deletion just to generate discussion traffic? Don't disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point -- propose a replacement system and get people to use it. -- Netoholic @ 03:48, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
I have blocked for 3 hours User:Crotalus horridus for repeatedly editing a closed MFD in violation of policy. JtkieferT | C | @ ---- 03:50, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
I speedy closed the debate and despite being warned on his talk page by both Netoholic and I and being having his edits reverted and being warned again he persisted. JtkieferT | C | @ ---- 03:52, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Due to the fact that he withdrew it and blocks are not punitive I am going to unblock him immediately. JtkieferT | C | @ ---- 03:55, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Thank you. Now, let's see if we can figure out where to start a discussion on the User RFC issue. Crotalus horridus (TALKCONTRIBS) 03:57, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
WP:MFD is a discussion (it just has a vote/poll along with it to decide if it's kept or deleted). Letting it continue would not be disruptive in the least if it resulted in serious discussion/debate. —Locke Coletc 03:56, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Ummm... isn't it well within Crotalus horridus' right to nominate pages for MfD? Is someone failing to assume good faith here? Shouldn't they discussion have at least taken place before being speedily closed??? --LV (Dark Mark) 03:54, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
That's my thoughts as well. —Locke Coletc 03:56, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
It is, but it is also my right duty to get rid of disruption and I felt that this was unecessarily disruptive and a possible WP:POINT violation so I speedy closed it. JtkieferT | C | @ ---- 03:59, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
On what grounds? By not assuming good faith? By closing the discussion without letting it ever start? By blocking an editor who was doing what he had every right to do? Also see my thoughts on Crotalus' talk page. --LV (Dark Mark) 04:08, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Nomination of certain pages for deletion is considered disruptive (unless of course it's the Main page and it's April 1 :). There are better places to build consensus for reforming the user RFC process than MfD. Physchim62 (talk) 04:13, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
(Multiple edit conflicts later:) So, Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Enforcement appears to be the right place for this, why not go there and hammer out some consensus? Dragging pages to MfD is the wrong way to bring attention to the issue; the wrong place for discussion. Clearly, in the time I've been trying to post this appeal to reason, people get blocked for being stubborn and ignoring common sense. Just advertise at WP:VP and be willing to work for consensus. Act like you're trying to get blocked, and you'll get blocked. -GTBacchus(talk) 03:58, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Rather than attempting to continue fighting an edit war, I've opened Wikipedia:User RFC reform. Do not vote there yet, as it is still under progress, but feel free to include poll questions if you have them. Crotalus horridus (TALKCONTRIBS) 04:07, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
The poll is now open. Crotalus horridus (TALKCONTRIBS) 04:25, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

what is this guy up to?[edit]

User:Mission BSS.Geni 04:28, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, quite clearly he is coming to represent Mumbai-style for the Dalit. That's fine. I was just saying the other day that the Dalit voice wasn't heard frequently enough around the wiki. Babajobu 05:01, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

World War II Special Protection Request[edit]

IP has been blanking/vandalizing the World War II and page for the last hour (5 edits) Bo-Lingua 04:53, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

I blocked him for 24 hours. Thanks. Babajobu 04:58, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
How prompt! Thankee! Bo-Lingua 05:05, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
For future reference, you may wish to use WP:AIV to request administrator attention against vandalizing, and WP:RfPP to request protection or semi-protection of articles. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 22:07, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

User:Benjamin Gatti[edit]

His arbitration case concluded today. He was placed on both probation and general probation. Here is the final decision. I'm posting this here because he's been rather active on nuclear power lately and we need as many admins as possible watch his actions on that page...similar with Price-Anderson Act. I'm involved so I can't block or ban him myself. So any help in monitoring his edits on those 2 articles especially would be appreciated. He has also hit Hubbert_peak_theory hard in the past. Thanks for everyone's help. --Woohookitty(cat scratches) 05:26, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

"Location canonicalization"[edit]

Can someone give a second opinion on whether the recent edits by User:Quarl to change [[City, State]] to [[City, State|City]], [[State]] are as totally useless as they seem? --SPUI (talk - don't use sorted stub templates!) 05:32, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Discussion moved: I've moved this discussion to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Location Format Quarl (talk) 2006-02-09 10:24Z


Based on this I have blocked this user indefinitely. Please review. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 07:03, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

IPs change, so an indefinite block doesn't seem like a good idea, but I'd favor at least a month-long block. Titoxd(?!? - help us) 07:06, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Ok if you think so but he sure is a cheery fellow now. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 07:19, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
It's done, a month now for two death threats and an offer to blow up the Wikipedia offices. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 07:35, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Yes. If an IP is permablocked, and it is a dynamic IP, it is horrible. If the IP is static, it can get reassigned by some reason or another by the ISP to an unsuspecting user. That's the only reason an indef block isn't a good idea. Titoxd(?!? - help us) 07:39, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Yeah I realize that and I admit it was an overreaction and frustration from other things. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 07:43, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Blocking someone does not stop murders of wikipedia users or the plot to bomb the headquarters. We will get a lot of sympathy and publicity when this hits the press. Lapinmies 09:36, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
It is hardly the first death threat recived by wikipedia.Geni 12:44, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
It's not going to hit the press because it's not going to happen. Death threats are a dime a dozen on the Internet and generally do not deserve to be taken very seriously. Crotalus horridus (TALKCONTRIBS) 17:16, 7 February 2006 (UTC)


Following posted on AIV:

Furthermore, this person has been violating the 3 RR rule, inserting warnings on police state talk page[32][33][34] which were deleted from editors own talk page[35][36][37], and disrupting my talkpage[38][39][40]. --Holland Nomen Nescio 09:46, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Blocked VinnyCee for 24h for vandalism, WP:POINT per [41], [42], [43], [44], [45], [46], [47], [48], [49], [50], [51], [52], [53], [54] and technically and WP:3RR although I guess that doies not really apply on Talk pages - in any case, he was warned more than once re adding contentious tags to the article and continued after deleting the warnings from his talk page. In my view the user was well aware that they were in the wrong and continued anyway, but bringing here just in case someone feels that they should be given a little more rope. - Just zis  Guy, you know? [T]/[C] 10:12, 7 February 2006 (UTC)


User:Rodw ahs just emailed me to say that (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log) is blocked as being recently used by Paulo_Fontaine (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log). Which is possible, but I can't see any block that I can undo, the IP does not give a block history. If I block and unblock will that fix it? - Just zis  Guy, you know? [T]/[C] 13:07, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

The easiest way is to look at the last 24 hours of the ipblocklist for the name of the blocked user. If there is an autoblock, it will show there. I couldn't find one, so it probably has already expired. --cesarb 13:32, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

The thing is, you won't ever see that IP, you'll see a special mask, i.e #456856. But, you can hand unblock the IP and it will have the same effect. Just go to the unblock page and enter the IP in the field; it will be unblocked even if the block was an autoblock. Essjay TalkContact 01:36, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

DSM IV TR Criteria Question - Again[edit]

The question of using DSM IV TR criteria (as discussed here and ) is again arising on

Chad Thompson of the apa ( ) already refused permission in December, it was decided to play safe and go with a link before the APA got mad and started going over the whole of Wikipedia with a fine tooth comb and issuing writs.

If I owned Wikipedia I would take a stand against them on this, but I don't, and am having to revert edits I actually believe in to accord with concensus and the wishes of the APA who own the copyright. This next will be the second revert I make today.

Somebody please advise? --Zeraeph 13:26, 7 February 2006 (UTC)


This user is showing "contempt of court" for the recent ArbCom ruling regarding her behavior, and has deleted the ruling unread from her talk page, an annoying tactic she does to anybody she doesn't like. Perhaps a ban is in order? *Dan T.* 13:47, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

I don't know if it is justified for those particular actions, but please pay attention to her and if she does engage in the kind of attacks she has made in the past, please enforce the personal attack parole she is on. Fred Bauder 13:50, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
She has, and I've blocked her for 48 hours accordingly ("Don't bore me with your simplistic/idiotic assumptions"[55], "Jayjg [is] an abrasive, notorious POV warrior"[56]). My personal view is that Deeceevoice should be made to acknowledge the ArbCom ruling if she wishes to continue editing here. We might as well ban her outright if she's just going to ignore it, and save ourselves the hassle. — Matt Crypto 18:14, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
To add further, Deeceevoice has stated: "I am no longer contributing new information to any articles on this website" and "an earlier post of someone notifying me of the ArbCom's "ruling" was deleted without having been read. They have no authority I am obliged to respect, IMO, none which merits respect"[57]. While I will follow the provisions given by ArbCom, I personally don't see why we should give this user any more chances, given the above. — Matt Crypto 18:26, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
If she violates the terms of it, block her. She doesn't have to respect ArbCom, but she does have to follow their rules- plain and simple. Ral315 (talk) 18:32, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[edit]

Wreggles, perhaps in the Manchester area. Block please, trail of schoolboy vandalism. Midgley 14:10, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

It's a shared IP address for loads of UK schools. Secretlondon 19:22, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
I made a report to their abuse address, about the same time. Midgley 16:57, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
For future reference, you may wish to use WP:AIV to request administrator attention against vandalizing. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 22:06, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Thanks Midgley 16:57, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Mao Zedong political war[edit]

The Mao Zedong article seems to have attracted the attention of a non-registered user who switches IP addresses (history looks like a group, but the edits come in series, and the style is pretty consistent), editing it to "clarify some ubiquitous rumors commonly used by antimaoists" and the "revert the CIA propaganda" Editing history. I can't call it outright vandalism, but to my non-expert eyes, it's pretty clearly political, not NPOV, not attributed, of poor quality, and should be reverted. I tried once, but since he's not giving up, and since I'm neither a Mao specialist, nor interested in getting into a revert war, I'm going to alert the admins here, and bow out. GRuban 14:48, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Any possibility you could put Mao Zedong under the same "As a result of recent vandalism, editing of this page by new or anonymous users is temporarily disabled. Changes can be discussed on the talk page, or you can request unprotection." protection as Jack Abramoff?
It's hardly been edited - a handful of times from IPs today - and we don't semi protect for edit disputes. Secretlondon 16:28, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Still going on, though not involving me. [58] It's clearly one guy with a "CIA is sensering the internet" bee in his bonnet. If he had an account, people could talk to him, and find a compromise, since he doesn't, it's kind of hard. GRuban 14:09, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

SchmuckyTheCat ban on Queensway[edit]

I have found STC to be in violation of his probation with his editing on this page. Per my notice to him on his talk page:

I have banned you from editing this page for violating your probation with this edit, that change has been previously contested, you changed it without discussion and a misleading edit summary of "fix rdr" (implying something was broken when its merely contested). Previously contested changes to articles should be discussed and consensus achieved before you change them.

--Wgfinley 15:06, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

category: living people[edit]

While I personally find this cat to be insipid, what is the policy on it? Is an edit which reverts its addition to be reverted? aa v ^ 15:36, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

I've reverted as he's clearly still alive. Secretlondon 16:25, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
For the policy on it, see Category:Living people. --Fastfission 17:42, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
FWIW, I see every reason to believe both serious and casual users can and will benefit from Category:Living people and its opposite, Category:Dead people. Entire websites are devoted to answering that age-old question, "hey, I wonder if (FitB) is dead or alive?" More to the question, I would try a dialogue with the reverter and ask if there was a specific reason therefor. :) RadioKirk talk to me 18:48, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

If we have a dead people category, are we getting rid of the death-by-year categories? Phil Sandifer 20:06, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

I personally wouldn't see any reason; a research tool is a research tool :) RadioKirk talk to me 20:14, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Death-by-year cats should be subcategories of Dead people (rather, subcats of the decade, which is a subcat of the century, which is a subcat of deaths by year, which is a subcat of Dead people). Category:Dead people isn't on any actual articles. -- Jonel | Speak 21:00, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Yet, I presume. Whoever's been adding the living people cat may be doing one at a time ;) RadioKirk talk to me 21:11, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[edit] has been vandalizing many articles, even though he/she has been warned. Sophy's Duckling 19:43, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

IP has been blocked several times. Per, is Chicago Public Schools, primary level. RadioKirk talk to me 19:51, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Blocked again -GTBacchus(talk) 19:53, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
For future reference, you may wish to use WP:AIV to request administrator attention against vandalizing. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 22:02, 7 February 2006 (UTC)


This user is not me, and I have blocked him indefinitely because of that. Phil Sandifer 19:49, 7 February th2006 (UTC)

If he promises to be you in the future, can we unblock him? -GTBacchus(talk) 19:56, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
I feel like that would be wikistalking. Phil Sandifer 20:05, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Similarly, I just indef blocked User:Dustimagic is a Nazi!!!!!!!!!!!. Apparently there is a User:Dustimagic who's a RC patroller. · Katefan0(scribble)/poll 20:01, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
For future reference, you may wish to use either the {{imposter}} template or {{usernameblock}} message to mark either imposters or inappropriate usernames. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 22:01, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
I might, but that requires keeping track of even more templates, and I refuse to do that. Phil Sandifer 22:33, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
LOL. -- Netoholic @ 21:47, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
There's good reason Snowspinner created WP:TFD ... - David Gerard 00:30, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

ZOMG Userpage edit war[edit]

[59] Admins holding an edit war over a userpage? Ouch! Who dares protect?

-- Kim Bruning 21:45, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Already protected by Matt_Crypto (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA). Also, to everyone involved: 1). You shouldn't have to edit someone else's user page. 2). Alex Linder is not going to sue, or be at all concerned, most likely, for being referred to as a Nazi, considering the fact that he's an anti-Semitic asshole. 3). There are far more important things that you could be doing.--Sean Black (talk) 21:53, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Let's hope that, at least, this doesn't lead to yet another episode in the wheel-warring novel... Phædriel tell me - 21:56, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
I protected in the hope that it would encourage these admins not to do that, but it's been unprotected again. — Matt Crypto 22:17, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

WARNING: I am blocking anyone else who wants to revert war. This is not acceptable admin behavoir, even a newbie would get warned and possibly blocked for this.Voice of AllT|@|ESP 21:59, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

I certainly agree, but why did you unprotect? Just because admins can bypass protection doesn't make it right to do so, and I think edit warring on a protected page is a particularly egregious violation. -Greg Asche (talk) 22:25, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
I've no idea what some people are playing at. Kindly go and do something productive people. Secretlondon 22:03, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Ugh, I initially removed this because it accused Igor Alexander, the founder of Wikipedia Review, as being the Nazi Alex Linder. When I was reverted (using admin rollback), I was not contacted in anyway, nor was an edit summary given. I then rolled back the revert due to the lack of information as to why it occured, and asked why the admin who reverted me did so. I've taken no further part in this other than to ask why people are using admin rollback on non-vandalism edits (I consider reverting non-vandalism edits without edit summaries to be vandalism itself). However, I am curious as to why people keep reinstating an statement calling someone a Nazi (especially without proof). I can only think of a few worse insults. Talrias (t | e | c) 22:14, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes...the rollbacks where highly inappropriate. Give reasons if you are reverted (or someone else making the same edit). Here is my idea on this: Wheel-warriors should be blocked, and if anyone unblocks a blocked wheel warrior, then NO ONE will re-block, but instead will report it to Jimbo.Voice of AllT|@|ESP 22:23, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
For the record, immediately after my reversion, I left a note discussing the page on the person who rolled back my edits' talk page. Talrias (t | e | c) 22:31, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Talrias, please try to be more accurate with your use of terms. It would be more accurate to say that you find reverting non-vandalism edits sans summaries to be unacceptable, not that it is vandalism, I hope. --Improv 22:21, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
It is unacceptable, yes. Talrias (t | e | c) 22:31, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
If you find the use of rollback unacceptable, you should not have used rollback to re-instate your edit. If you find it acceptable for you to modify other people's user pages (especially ones you have a history of conflict with) you should not have your user page protected. If you have a problem with people reverting before they talk, then you should have talked to me before you rolled back my reversion to your initial edit. To begin with, if you found El_C's page disturbing you should have asked him to change it - he's on a break, but who knows what that means. Guettarda 22:37, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Quite simply, if you think it wrong to user rollback in that case, then your actions were intentionally wrong. I did not think it wrong to use rollback on your edit to El_C's page, because, as a person who was in conflict with him recently, it looks like you meant to kick him when he's down. Which is unacceptable. Guettarda 22:40, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Guettarda, I don't find the use of rollback unacceptable - otherwise I would never have drafted a proposal such as Wikipedia:Requests for rollback privileges. My user page is not protected. In fact, it was recently edited by an anonymous contributor. I can't respond to the rest of your comment, as it is based on incorrect information. Talrias (t | e | c) 22:50, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Reversions and extra edits[edit]

I've come across a peculiar situation on this article page: Apollo moon landing hoax accusations - it seems that 20 hours of reversions have been taking place on the article. When I protected the page, to my surprise, two other administrators came by and edited the page and changed a significant amount of content on it. Based on a comment on the talk page, I've reverted back to the original page which I protected in the interests of fairness. However, as a result, I would feel more comfortable if someone else were to look at this situation so I can step aside from it. Many thanks! --HappyCamper 21:55, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes, that was me, not paying attention. Sorry, won't happen again. Tom Harrison Talk 22:32, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Tom, you are one of the most professional Wikipedians I have met in recent memory. I'd like to mention in passing [60] and [61]. Well, it looks like someone else (Katefan0) might be helping out, so I guess all is well! :-) --HappyCamper 02:17, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Music of Nigeria[edit]

Page has been vandalized more than 25 times in the past hour and 15 minutes. Why doesn't an admin just protect it, and just ignore the rule about not protecting pages linked from the main page. It is vandalized by the same vandal over and over, with a different username. Pepsidrinka 22:28, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Requests for page protection should go to WP:RfPP; also, I urge administrators not to protect the page. Please see User:Raul654/protection. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 22:30, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
I semi-protected the page before I saw it was linked from the front page. I would suggest looking at the recent edit history before unblocking. (but feel free to do so). Eugene van der Pijll 22:37, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
I'm sympathetic, but they shouldn't be semiprotected. Hoping you won't be offended, but I've lifted the protection. Rather, I added the article to my watchlist and will help revert and hand out blocks if needed. · Katefan0(scribble)/poll 22:48, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Not offended, I was just going to unprotect it myself. There was a similar attack on Costa Rica presidential elections, 2006 earlier, which also stopped after it was semi-protected for a few minutes. I would suggest that a short block like that is useful in these cases. According to User:Raul654/protection the page should not be protected because Vandalism is cleaned up very quickly, often in only a couple of minutes, but in this case the page was vandalised litterally once a minute for over half an hour... Eugene van der Pijll 22:53, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, clearly a bot attack. Seems possibly GNAA-related? Could be wrong. Anyway, SP long enough to turn the bot off was a good call. · Katefan0(scribble)/poll 22:56, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
It has started at the Costa Rican page again. I've semi-protected that one; will unprotect in a few minutes. Eugene van der Pijll 23:03, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

When this keeps up, is there anything else we can do? Can we find out the IP range of the (presumed) bot? Reverting more than once a minute is not good, but having to semi-protect pages every 15 minutes is not a good solution either. Eugene van der Pijll 23:07, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, so much for that. It's obviously a bot attack. I was goign to re-SP but Splash beat me to it. I've left a message for David Gerard to see if he can checkuser and do something to foil the originating IP. · Katefan0(scribble)/poll 23:09, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
I protected the Costa Rica page at 23:04; the Nigeria page was vandalised at 23:05. Both are protected now, so I wonder how long it will take him now to start on another page. I'll keep an eye on the Main Page's "related changes". Sigh. Eugene van der Pijll 23:11, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Sino-German cooperation (1911-1941) apparently. I won't protect it; he will just move to another page anyway... Eugene van der Pijll 23:17, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

We've been watching this all afternoon (we've jokingly begun calling the vandal the "Rapture vandal" as much of the early vandalism involved the phrase "Wikipedia will meet it's maker"). I had a checkuser run earlier and placed a rangeblock; unfortunately, it's an AOL/Netscape range, and I've had to pull it. Simple blocks won't do, as the accounts are throwaways (one edit and they get a new one), and page protection is useless, as they just move on to another page. All we can do is continue to revert until they get tired. Essjay TalkContact 01:28, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

In that case, the bot should be pointed to Template:User its2 ;) RadioKirk talk to me 13:57, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Semiprotection of Wikify template[edit]

Due to some nasty vandalism, {{wikify}} has been semiprotected. Other admins should feel free to lift it when they feel the threat has passed as I'm off to bed now. David | Talk 00:32, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I've had enough[edit]

...of this issue and being singled out for accusations of wrongdoing here. I'd block the user for making a personal attack but I'd only be accused of "misuse of administrative powers" as the user puts it. Someone else needs to keep a watch on this because after going through my watchlist today I'll be on wikibreak. Thank you. -- Francs2000 02:02, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I've blocked for 24 hours for that friendly display of blatant personal attacks but I suggest that people keep an eye on this IP as well as the article and Franc2000's talk page just in case. JtkieferT | C | @ ---- 02:31, 8 February 2006 (UTC)


Despite the fact that I have stayed out of the userbox debate so far and for the most part plan on continuing to do so I would just like to note that I removed two {count them 2) userboxes from Dschor's userpage. The first was a blatant attack against Interiot, the second one was against Kelly Martin. I couldn't give a damn about the other templates but I will not (and have stated as such on his talk page) stand by while other editors are attacked. I have warned him not to replace those attack userboxes and have told him that if it takes getting an injunction from Jimbo himself I will do everything in my power to make sure he does not attack other editors. JtkieferT | C | @ ---- 02:52, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

He's about to be banned by the ArbCom (by a mixture of injunction and remedy), so hopefully the problem will go away. -Splashtalk 03:03, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
If he replaces them, I think removing them and protecting the page would be appropriate. I wouldn't do it myself since I previously blocked him for creating {{user oppose Kelly Martin}}, the substituted version of which you just removed. If possible, I'd like to avoid blocking him while his RfA is ongoing (unless he were to violate his injunction, of course). — Knowledge Seeker 03:06, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
Since his injunction allows him to edit his user and talk pages it wouldn't be a direct violation of his injunction to put them back but I agree that if he does the best remedy probably is a revert/reprotect combo. JtkieferT | C | @ ---- 03:09, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
Note that if he insists on doing blockable things on the pages he is allowed to edit, he can still contact the AC by email if necessary - David Gerard 16:01, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
I was under the impression that Dshor was under the prerequisites of an indefinite block. If that's so, It really shouldn't matter, as the only avalible page at his disposal is his talk page.-ZeroTalk 16:25, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
He is, he's only unblocked so that it's easier for him to contribute to the arbcom case. If he restores the attack templates though I think he should be indef. blocked and then he could still contribute via his talk page or via email. JtkieferT | C | @ ---- 17:03, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I would prefer that Dschor's link to my homepage not be seen as a blatant attack. The link was added as the final edit in a string of back-and-forth edits [62] [63] [64] [65]. I added 100% of the text to his page, and Dschor only added the link. My edit (the third) was done in more of a joking mood, and I was pleased to see the fourth edit turn out to be something that didn't seem to escalate the situation. I don't particularly care whether the box is included or removed from Dschor's page, but I would prefer that its history not be involved in any future increase in tension. --Interiot 18:59, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

User:Donate to Wikipedia[edit]

I've just blocked Donate to Wikipedia (talk · contribs) for an inapropriate username, but I'm off to bed now (I'm on UTC), can someone keep an eye out for any autoblocks resulting from this. Cheers, Thryduulf 03:07, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Could this user be related to the Bank of Wikipedia (talk · contribs) sockpuppets created by Iasson (talk · contribs)? Ral315 (talk) 18:22, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
I doubt it; look at his sole contribution. What Iasson wrote was often held to be nonsense, but not patent nonsense.Septentrionalis 19:55, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Hasty Pudding Theatricals[edit]

A user is having a serious edit war with User: and I gave unclear instructions on the Help desk. Dr Debug (Talk) 06:41, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I blocked all of the offending IPs for 24 hours. --Golbez 06:55, 8 February 2006 (UTC)


Dhommo (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log), apparently a sockpuppet of blocked Wik (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log), is causing disruption at Bat Ye'or. Previously, he used sockpuppets Dhimmi (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log) and Dhummy (talk • contribs •