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OtisElevatorCo (talk · contribs) made some edits to Otis Elevator Company removing some sourced negative statements about the company: [1]

I undid this edit and warned the user on his talk page. Then (talk · contribs) re-did the same edit:[2] That IP address is registered to Otis's parent United Technologies. I undid the edit and warned the IP user. The IP is probably a sock of the user and should be blocked or topic banned. Kendall-K1 (talk) 19:49, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

A third single-purpose user Jcaddonizio (talk · contribs) has now appeared and re-did part of the edit. I fear whack-a-sock may be next. Kendall-K1 (talk) 19:49, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Blocked the Jcaddonizio account. If it turns out that this is an attempt by the first account to rename under {{uw-softerblock}}, I have no objection to unblocking. Katietalk 20:19, 26 April 2016 (UTC)



Seems to be changing dates, names, and a lot of other minor details interspersed with constructive edits. Are these edits verifiable? Cleanup may be needed. Pinguinn (🐧) 21:56, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Ayal HaNasi says I've violated the sanctity of the words of the High Priest of Israel, Minister of God[edit]

User blocked by Ymblanter (non-admin closure) Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 11:00, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
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I don't really think Ayal HaNasi (talk · contribs) is here to build the encyclopedia. The top of my talk page now reads "You have violated the sanctity of the words of The High Priest Of Israel, Minister Of God. You are out of your league. You think you are meddling in human affairs. Restore that which you have profaned. You are not a Jew and wholly uneducated and unqualified to even speak on the issue let alone to censor and entire contribution. Correct your mistake. Be aware. God Bless You." See also their edits, promoting themselves and another named person with no sources other than "The entirety of world history is referrence enough. You are insulting and offending The High Priest Of Israel. Cease you censorship and persecution of me and my people. God will judge all." I could probably block and no one other than him would object, but I'd rather it be someone else for obvious reasons. Doug Weller talk 09:44, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

I blocked them indef. We are an institution which certifies true Judaic prophets.--Ymblanter (talk) 09:50, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

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Report a IP-user[edit]

Reporter has discussed his concerns with the IP, and they have communicated and demonstrated dispute resolution. No further action is required. (non-admin closure) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 01:32, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
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Hello there. I want to report an IP-user (talk) who recently removed some neccessary contents at Valon Ahmedi. I re-added contents without reverting his entire edits (some edits were useful) but he reverted my entire edit. Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 17:17, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Eni.Sukthi.Durres - This IP has edited this page quite a bit. I am a bit confused by part of his/her edit summary here when the user states that "his position is wrong", but I'm not seeing any obvious or big red flags so far. Are there any specific diffs you can provide that can help me see your exact concerns here? ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 00:03, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
@Oshwah: At first thank you for your collaboration. Ok I'll explain you where is the matter of his reverts and removals. Here is a cur. of my revision (I re-added his removals and I made also some corrections) and his latest edit. Step by step, at "Infobox football biography" it's almost ok expect "fullname" which contains just his name and last name (there is needed also his paternal/father name). At "Opening paragraph" he removed the text "and the Albania national under-21 football team" which is neccessary because the player has participated lately for the national side and UEFA prove it here, his name is on the bench, no. #16. At section "Celje" he has removed the last text which mention his participation with his club NK Celje in the 2015–16 UEFA Europa League - First qualifying round. Then at "International career/Albania under-19" he has removed the victory details of a international match in which he appeared. And last, he totally blanked the section of "Honours (with clubs)". This is the case, thank you again. Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 15:13, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
What I would do is communicate your concerns to this person. I checked out the talk page and I didn't see anything (unless I missed something) - have you tried expressing your concerns there? Also, I did not see an ANI notice posted as well (this is required - see the direction on the top of this page). What I would do is communicate with the person about your concerns if you have not already done so. This is proper dispute resolution, and the best solution to this situation. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 05:22, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
@Oshwah: I warned him at this edit summary but anyway I'll communicate him the situation in his talk page, thank you. Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 15:58, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
@Oshwah: We just agreed in a discussion between us in talk page, thank you. Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 16:33, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
Eni.Sukthi.Durres - Awesome! You're very welcome! Happy editing! :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 16:43, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
@Oshwah: Thank you.Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 16:53, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

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Editor of dubious competence throwing insults[edit]

A user called Joseph Setorius has been making a lot of edits to the druid article, despite having a very shaky grasp of the subject. I have attempted to steer him right, and he responds with this. Can somebody maybe have a word with him? --Nicknack009 (talk) 22:58, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Also, none of his edits after 27 March 2010 show up on his user contribution page, not sure what's going on there. --Nicknack009 (talk) 23:02, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
Not an admin, not going to involve myself in this otherwise, but that'd be because the account making those edits at Druid is Joseph setorius, with a lower-case s rather than the capital-S in the username you link above. AddWittyNameHere (talk) 23:06, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
Hm. Joseph setorius, lower-case s, redirects to Joseph Setorius, capital s. I hadn't noticed that. A little fiddling and I find the user contribution page for the lower-case s username. --Nicknack009 (talk) 23:09, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
There was an account at lowercase-s that was moved to uppercase-S. Now there's a new account at lowercase-s. Uppercase-S hasn't edited since 2010, so I don't think name collision is an immediate issue. Nor is the redirect anything suspect—though I have removed it. —C.Fred (talk) 02:49, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
Also, redirect removed form User talk:Joseph setorius, and notice left there. —C.Fred (talk) 02:50, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
Response was added after thread was archived. -- The Voidwalker Discuss 00:14, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

I guess if you were really interested in resolving the a problem, or discussing an issue rationally Nicknack009, you wouldn't have titled this "complaint" as you did. "Editor of dubious competence throwing insults"? First to my account C.Fred, some time ago...a few years ago now, an administrator named Diana help me change it. There should, of course, only be one page with "joseph_setorius" as the user. It should also all be in lower case with an underscore between the two names. Is there anyway this can be fixed to avoid confusion in the future?

"I have attempted to steer him right" How? But what means? You just seemed to keep re-editing my edits without explanation. My main concern with the Druid page is that some time ago, a page entitled "Druidess" was present on Wiki. This page was up for at least two years, perhaps longer. (?) I am not sure when the decision was made to merge "Druidess" with "Druid", but I feel there needs to be some continuity between the deleted page, and the location of the current content of the old page. I have suggested that the term "Druidess" be added to the heading "Female-druid" to provide this continuity. This change does not affect the validity of the page, does not imply a fact that does not exist, and in no way diminishes the content of the page. The only thing it does is serve as a link between the now old deleted page, and the content in its current form. As I had previously cited the "Druidess" page in a paper, the original page having useful "External Links" as well, I wanted (not unreasonably) some link between the deleted page and the current article and it's contents. Corbie V and Nicknack 009, gave no opposition to this suggestion other than to state-- Nicknack009: 'I don't think "Druidess" is appropriate as a subheading. Subsections are not separate articles. The article is about druids, the subsection is about those druids who were female, so "Female druids" is the appropriate subheading.' AND Corbie V: 'I also strongly suggest avoiding the outdated, clunky term, "druidess" and instead just say "druid" or, if necessary, "female druid" or its Celtic language equivalents, such as the O.I. bandrúi.' AND LATER 'Joseph, there is no consensus for "druidess," rather, some stuff that no one had bothered to work on. I say we stick with "female druids".' I am not the only one that brought this up the problem of the previous page being deleted. "The Druidess (Celtic mythology) was on the See Also part of the Druid page for eons, CorbieV. It was not exactly hidden." AND "CorbieV, I fail to see the issue here. I created the Druidess (Celtic mythology) page because I was blocked from putting the info on the Druid page. Moreover, the Druidess (Celtic mythology) has existed for two years now uncontested. As to the new Gallizenae page, it is just an English translation of Gallisenae. Where is the problem?" --Bard Cadarn (talk) 18:26, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

My response to merging the pages is...I feel it is fine if there is not enough independent material on "Female-druids" to warrant its own page. Corbie stated to Bard Cadarn that: "Don't you think the fact you were blocked from contributing this in the past might have been a hint to work with other editors rather than try to scoot it in elsewhere? Just because no one noticed a bad page in the past isn't a reason for it to stay up once it's found." But working with other editors means compromise Nicknack and Corbie...not just putting up what you want as a "two-man consensus".

While these are all valid points...especially Corbie's point about Bard Cadarn not checking his sources, I offered a reasonable and logical compromise. My point is regardless of whether the term or links where legitimate or not, the page did exist. Whether it was a bad page or not is moot. It was up, it existed, and there needs to be some continuity of record when a page is deleted and it's contents are moved elsewhere.

As I have already explained, and further discussion exists on the Druid talk page, Druidess is a word...or does qualify as a word and is an understood term for several reasons. The first being the title of the painting used on the very page ("The Druidess"), which establishes that the term has been in use for some time; and second, that the term well understood and defined. The word Druidess exists in modern song titles, websites, movies, and neo-pagan religion. At some point a "made-up" word does become a word...when people understand what it meant by its use. Sorry for "bloviating" on the subject...a Warren G. Harding made-up word that is now defined and used...but I think the word "Druidess" should be added to the sub-heading ==Female Druids==

Perhaps I did not do a good job of initially making my point, and things then just steam-rolled from there. That being part of the case I offer apologies to CorbieV and Nicknack 009. But I hope you understand my reasoning to adding Druidess in parenthesis next to the heading "Female-Druid". It has nothing to do with "gender-neutral" terminology, outdated terminology, or the validity of the term itself. The point is that is offers continuity.

Thanks -- joseph_setorius 18:30, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Okay...Voidwalker or anyone else. This subject does not say "closed" anywhere, and I just spent a good hour making some constructive comments only to have them deleted!! I thought you weren't supposed to mess with other people's "posts" on a discussion page! Why did this happen? joseph_setorius

As this page is an archive, and I only saw your edits in recent changes, I've restored your response here in a collapsed section. -- The Voidwalker Discuss 00:14, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

IPv6 2601 range block[edit]

2601:188:0:ABE6:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk · contribs) and 2601:CA:8100:E100:C59B:55F:7501:CB4 (talk · contribs) have both requested unblocks. They appear to be caught up in Gilliam (talk · contribs)'s range-block of all 2601:* IPv6 addresses. I lack the specific understanding of IPv6 to know if blocking this many addresses was appropriate. I'm bringing it up here so others more familiar with the vandalism in question and with IPv6 range blocks can look into it and comment. @Gilliam: --Yamla (talk) 13:28, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

(Please note, I'm not specifically claiming the block is inappropriate, only that it's very large) --Yamla (talk) 13:30, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

I left a note for Gilliam regarding the former IP, but in their absence I think someone with a better understanding of IPv6 than I have should narrow this down to what's functionally necessary. —SpacemanSpiff 13:32, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
Oh, that is very large! It covers, I think, 17,592,186,044,416 /64 subnets. Does anyone know what IPs Gilliam was targeting? --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 13:54, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
It's crazy large. It's too large to checkuser. This needs to be fixed quickly. --jpgordon::==( o ) 14:01, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
Just a quick note: while it is a very large range, functionally often a large range of IPv6 addresses are used by a very limited group of people. It *potentally* affects that many addresses, the reality is often only a small amount are used at any time. Only in death does duty end (talk) 14:02, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
A quick look at Gilliam's edits show a total of three warning notices to 2601:* editors; one inserted the word "blueberries" into a non-fruit-related article; another inserted some gibberish a few times; another changed the word "whistleblower" to "self-promoter" in Linda Tripp. Hardly worth a massive rangeblock. --jpgordon::==( o ) 14:10, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
From the past few days blocks I think it might be related to 2601:195:c002:6d60:dc9d:ee1a:d7e2:fce2 (talk · contribs · WHOIS), 2601:5c2:8100:93ab:6099:574b:c04d:c203 (talk · contribs · WHOIS), 2605:6000:6405:4000:b1a3:6ef3:19a0:6fd (talk · contribs · WHOIS),fixed at 14:18, 26 April 2016 (UTC) and 2602:306:c444:e499:104e:580:dde8:59d4 (talk · contribs · WHOIS). —SpacemanSpiff 14:15, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
I assumed from the denied unblock request for the second IP listed above it was a significant history of abuse. That seems excessive. Only in death does duty end (talk) 14:17, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

2601:: is assigned by ARIN to Comcast, and has 20110603 allocated addresses. So we're we were blocking over 20 million Comcast customers. [4] Kendall-K1 (talk) 00:30, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

As the IP who objected to this range block, I'm expecting that the vandalism coming out of multiple accounts had to have been awfully disruptive to merit this scope of disciplinary action. If not, there needs to be an explanation for measures this Draconian. I'm mad for the reasons I stated at my talk page, among them that it took so long to take appropriate action in protecting Rachel Roy on Sunday, while this, by comparison, looks like a case of killing a few mosquitoes with a warhead. It's the end of the day, and Gilliam hasn't offered me an explanation or an apology. I'm not angling for one here, but it would be nice for all of us to know what happened. If there's something I'm missing that admins understand, I'm open to learning. Thanks, 2601:188:0:ABE6:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 02:06, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
Apparently the block was 2601::/20, so only about million, not 20 million. Still seems like a large range to block. Kendall-K1 (talk) 14:27, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
I kinda want an explanation for this huge block too, particularly considering the unblocking summary Gilliam left. If it was a calculation error, that's one thing; if he isn't familiar with IPv6 blocks, that's another thing; and if it was done intentionally in anger or frustration, that's a whole other thing. Katietalk 14:41, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
The block simply was intended to stop an IP-hopping vandal.– Gilliam (talk) 15:52, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Article talk page behavior at Talk:Ford Pinto[edit]

For a month now, since 26 March 2016, users NickCT and Springee and others have been using a long article talk page thread Talk:Ford Pinto#Pursue Topic Ban for HughD? to co-ordinate a campaign against a collaborator, and to discuss other articles. Multiple reminders of the appropriate uses of an article talk page WP:TPG and the availability of WP:ANI, including those of HughD and Serialjoepsycho, have been ignored. Respectfully request an administrative collapse of the thread, and an administrator reminder of article talk page guidelines WP:TPG and the availability of WP:ANI for editor behavior issues. Thank you. Hugh (talk) 16:53, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

It seems a pretty inappropriate place to have a discussion, but it was last edited 12 days ago, and nothing came of it in the end. I don't see any benefits from collapsing it at this point, as it seems to have run its course. Pinguinn (🐧) 18:21, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
I now see something was moved from one section to another. While it concerns the article, that stuff really should go here on ANI, not the article talkpage. Perhaps we ought to discuss it here. Pinguinn (🐧) 18:30, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
For the record; as one of those who was "campaign[ing] against a collaborator", I'm already on the record as saying that section can be archived. It could be collapsed as well. Honestly I'm not sure who's opposing the archival/collapsing such that Hugh would feel the need to discuss the topic here. NickCT (talk) 19:09, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
I think HughD was right to note that I put a notice to the talk page in the wrong place. I have since moved it. I have nothing against archiving the section. Springee (talk) 19:22, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
It seems a bit disingenuous to be publicly in favor of archiving the section here on ANI, when the last two sections on the page (not including the one in question) are primarily about HughD. It does seems like the talk has devolved somewhat into a forum on HughD (or a forum on Pintos generally, and HughD happens to be thoroughly involved). Neither are discussions directly related to improvement of the article, and should probably take place elsewhere. TimothyJosephWood 23:00, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Comment I don't know why I've been pinged here or why this was opened. I came to the article thru the RFC bot. I commented on those sections of the talk page and the ani after being summoned by the bot. Do I think that those that should have opened it should close it? Yes, but this is not a matter of wikipedia policy by own personal opinion. They don't not seem to understand that this type of behavior is escalating and the purpose for opening it they have suggested was to deescalate the issues. This here is also escalating. HughD, then close it. Per wp:talk it could have already been closed. Everyone stop using the talk page as a forum. Quit talking about each other. Please don't ping me to anything about the Pinto again.-Serialjoepsycho- (talk) 23:46, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

The section in question has been closed and archived by Serialjoepsycho. I have closed two additional threads not appropriate to the talk page. We can probably close this and move on with our lives, provided everyone on the talk can stay on topic, and keep off topic conversations where they belong. TimothyJosephWood 16:45, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Removal of information[edit]

This user is removing and completely changing information in articles and causing disturbances in articles. Can someone please check out their edits. Nocturnal781 (talk) 02:21, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

  • You are required to notify the editor. There is not even a single vandalism warning. Can you point to an example? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 02:26, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
  • All edits are related to the Azerbaijan / Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. There are endless reverts and counter edits between Nocturnal781 and Freedom Wolfs. Mtpaley (talk) 21:03, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

BLP issue - urgent repair work needed[edit]

Okay people, the redirects have been fixed. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 21:31, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
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There's a Jason Lai who's a British orchestral conductor - see this page, since renamed. There's a different Jason Lai, a San Francisco police officer apparently involved in a scandal. Please could an admin remove the scandal stuff f rom the conductor's article and restore it to its correct title? A garbled dab page has been created at the Jason Lai base name, which needs to be at "... (disambiguation)", if anywhere. There's a RM at Talk:Jason_Lai, but this BLP stuff seems urgent. Thanks. PamD 16:04, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Working on it. Katietalk 16:16, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
  • puts hands behind back* For future reference as a quick fudge I was just going to move/rename the scandal page to 'Jason Lai (conductor)', add it to the disambiguation page and remove the wrong person info from Jason Lai, which technically wouldnt have required an admin and would have resolved the immediate BLP issue, but Epic got there at the same time. I suspect given the marginal notability of all of the people involved, a primary target is going to be difficult to determine given the current news. Only in death does duty end (talk) 16:17, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
  • I have just now reverted the article to the last stable version. epicgenius (talk) 16:19, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
The only issue now is that Talk:Jason Lai is currently showing the talkpage history for Talk:Jason Lai (conductor) due to the original renames. Only in death does duty end (talk) 16:23, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
(ec x 2) I think Talk:Jason Lai should be histmerged to Talk:Jason Lai (conductor) as the last fix. Unless there's objection, I'll do that shortly. Katietalk 16:30, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
And never mind. ;-) Katietalk 16:31, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
I cant see any reason anyone would object, since the only other two people are either redlinked or redirect. Only in death does duty end (talk) 16:56, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
Done. Might be some cleanup to do but I think I got it all. Katietalk 17:07, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
  • Thanks, all, for sorting this out. Perhaps I should have been able to work out a non-admin fix, but it seemed better to bring it to you lot (not least 'cos I was short of time and due to go out). Looks good now. PamD 17:35, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
    To fix it some pages had to be moved over redirects, which only admins can do. If someone tries to move it again, ask one of us right away and we'll revert and move protect it. :-) Katietalk 19:07, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

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DUCK sockpuppet is repeatedly vandalizing[edit]

The appearance of the user here helped to resolved the issue, since I blocked them for 24h for harassment. Whoever wants to pursue SPI is welcome to do so.--Ymblanter (talk) 14:04, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
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Thank you very much wiki (talk · contribs · blocks · count · rollback · admin · logs)

Is repeatedly vandalizing the SPA templates on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Death of Prince, despite a warning [5] and a final warning [6]:

[7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], [13], [14].

(Still continuing even after I filed this ANI, so that may not be the last of the spree.)

He has also vandalized/trolled the page in other ways: [15], [16].

He has also placed a spurious warning template on my talkpage [17], and when someone deleted that, a troll post: [18].

He appears to be a probable DUCK sockpuppet of the article creator, Whiskeymouth (talk · contribs · blocks · count · rollback · admin · logs), who previously did the same thing, twice [19], [20] before being warned: [21]. The apparent sock was apparently created to !vote "Keep" at the suspected sockmaster's two articles on the death of Prince.

Winkelvi also just mentioned to me: "I've actually thought they were all the same person/a sock of the article creator since the first one cropped up. Same attitude, behavior, same type of thoughts on the article(s), same manner of expressing those thoughts", so he can possibly provide further behavioral evidence of the sockpuppetry connection if needed.

-- Softlavender (talk) 06:29, 28 April 2016 (UTC); edited 11:41, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

WP:SPI is that far away and not at this page.--Ymblanter (talk) 11:45, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
I'm aware of that. The vandalizing is the main problem and he was on a spree that continued even after he was warned twice and I filed this. The sockpuppetry is the subsidiary problem and the probable cause of his vandalizing. The two issues are entwined, and therefore this case is too complex to bring up at either AIV or SPI; although SPI may be a stop as well if the block is not indefinite and if the other possible socks (the two or so other newbie SPAs who also !voted to Keep that article) also need to be investigated further. Softlavender (talk) 13:17, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
I agree that something is off with the AfD, it is always a bit odd when a bunch of new accounts pop up with one sided votes. Sometimes this is nothing as our pages are linked through other websites, but more than once it has turned up at least one sock. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 13:20, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
I do not see a single vandal edit among your diffs, as per WP:VAND. This can be trolling, insufficient familiarity with the policies, or even team-tagging, but I do not see vandalism. If you give me a diff demonstrating vandalism, I promise you to block them, but so far I do not see anything.--Ymblanter (talk) 13:22, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
Well, whether one calls it trolling or vandalism, repeating the same behavior (removing or altering the templates necessary for an admin at closure) 6 more times after being warned, and then 4 more times after a final warning and now has done it yet again since he saw you said you wouldn't block him: [22] ... merits a block in my view. Especially since he then went on to troll and impersonate me on Knowledgekid87's talk page: [23]. And now posts another troll post on my talkpage: [24]. For all intents and purposes this is a troll-only account at this point. NOTHERE in the least Softlavender (talk) 14:06, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Softlavender should be banned[edit]

He is just a troublemaker and vandal. He wants to delete a useful article so attacks others. He insists on anonymously putting accusations after my AFD vote that are not true. If he disagrees, he should just write "disagree with your vote because....." The fact that he has lots of edits versus me should mean he has no excuse for bad behavior and should be banned on sight. I am sick of you. Thank you very much wiki (talk) 13:58, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

It is ironic that you would say that seeing that you were trying to say that you are Softlavender. [25] - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 14:01, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

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English politician talk page urging editors with criticism to email him first??[edit]

We are not going to block an IP over an edit made in 2009, and there's nothing else actionable here. ANI is a noticeboard to report incidents requiring sysop action, not a chatroom to discuss edits of which you disapprove. ‑ Iridescent 13:04, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
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See section 'Updates' at — Preceding unsigned comment added by EverSince (talkcontribs) 11:54, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

While that is not at all how things work here, the post in question appears to have been added eight years ago by an anonymous editor at the House of Commons. If they have a problem with any additions or changes (potential or actual) to the article, they should monitor for them themselves instead of expecting us to contact them, and they can discuss them on the talk page like anyone else with a WP:COI. Not really seeing any actionable issues here. Ian.thomson (talk) 12:02, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
Perhaps I should have clarified my concern is the chilling effect on editors. I guess it's carefully worded not to be a legal threat but it's an official urging editors, in a way quite contrary to Wikipedia as you say, to check acceptability with Mann first. Eversync (talk) 12:21, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
I guess I am reading the request a little differently. The post actually says "Criticism that follows the wiki guidelines is of course acceptable, but would urge that if constituents have criticisms they contact him first" They did not say do not post criticism here without contacting John Mann first, they said if the criticism follows our guidelines it is acceptable but would like to here he would like to here from his constituents prior to them posting the criticism in the article. But John Mann should know about any criticism of him that meets our guidelines because it to meet them the criticism has already hit been discussed in reliable sources. I d agree with you that there isn't anything to do with this here. -- GB fan 12:10, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
Could you clarify this sentence please: "But John Mann should know about any criticism of him that meets our guidelines because it to meet them the criticism has already hit been discussed in reliable sources." Eversync (talk) 12:14, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
I believe it's intended to mean "should already know" i.e., without Wikipedia having to inform him. TimothyJosephWood 12:30, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
Ok so that supports the impression that Mann's official isn't asking for information in some neutral way, just to hear from people - but somewhat warning editors about adhering to guidelines (in terms of criticism) and urging them to check this with Mann's office first - but Mann's office is not an authority on Wikipedia guidelines. Eversync (talk) 12:52, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
No, the point is that the anon meant to inform that any constituents that Mann is representing who wants to add criticism to the article should seek to discuss with their representative rather than put it in to the article. Reason being the criticism is likely to be unsourced and potentially BLP violating. Furthermore, why are we discussing an edit from 2009? Blackmane (talk) 13:02, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

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It is perfectly fine to renominate the article for deletion two days after the previous discussion, opened by the same user, was closed. It is definitely ok to remove large pieces of text from the article, especially if other users bring them back repeatedly. It is an exeamplary behavior to alwas maintain that one is correct and make up ridiculous accusations against whistle-blowers. Legacypac should be really commended for this behaviour and excouraged to continue. I am unwatching this page though.--Ymblanter (talk) 07:36, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
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This user has already been featured on this board on several occasions. In particular, they decided to start a crusade against what they perceive as overloading Reactions to the 2016 Brussels bombings with reactions of what they think are non-notable states. They nominated the article for deletion, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Reactions to the 2016 Brussels bombings. This AfD was closed as no consensus. Then they immediately re-nominated it for deletion, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Reactions to the 2016 Brussels bombings (2nd nomination), which was quite predictably closed as speedy keep with a trout to nominator. Today, they removed some of the reactions [26] (and were immediately reverted). I would not block them myself for consistently evading consensus, since I was involved with the article, but I think time for blocks has come. They were blocked earlier this month for overstepping 3RR in the same article.--Ymblanter (talk) 07:56, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

  • Support block or indef topic ban This editor has really stepped over the line. They have shown a constant refusal to WP:LISTEN to other editors and follow proper consensus-based editing norms. After being reverted, this editor immediately and arbitrarily removed two further entries from the list. They have no credible method for which countries to exclude, basing it solely on WP:GEOBIAS and WP:POV. The biggest problem here is behavioural. They disrupt Wikipedia to make a point and refuse to engage with and listen to other editors. This is despite being warned and blocked. AusLondonder (talk) 08:07, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
  • 3RR on the afd, not the article itself. —Cryptic 08:10, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
    Indeed, I stand corrected on this point. (It does not matter for the rest of my argumentation).--Ymblanter (talk) 08:19, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
  • Comment General sanctions apply to the article. Therefore "After being notified of the sanctions, any editor who repeatedly or seriously fails to edit in accordance with the purpose of Wikipedia, the expected standards of behaviour, or any normal editorial process may be sanctioned by any uninvolved administrator. Sanctions may include blocks for up to one year, page bans, and topic bans". I think these two edits (1), (2) amount to a de facto violation of the sanctions as they are reverting the same principle, just with slightly different text AusLondonder (talk) 08:18, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

There are a number of problems with this report and it should be ignored. This is a content dispute on a 1RR article and I've not breached 1RR at all on it. I've engaged on talk extensively. The many editors that voted to delete the whole thing are being ignored in the claimed consensus to keep every single word on the page. Maybe someone can explain how the reactions of Togo and East Timor to the Brussels bombings have any bearing or notability.... Legacypac (talk) 08:20, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

  • I agree the re-nom 11 days after the "no consensus" was probably not a good idea, even though there was indeed support for what LP wanted (trimming) in the first nom, and even though the first nom was open barely a week (possibly should have been relisted instead of closed then), and even though "no consensus" closes generally have no prejudice against a re-nom. But the removal of low-RS or mundane/predictable reactions is a content dispute and should be settled on the Talk page, not here. I don't think this merits ANI. This is a content dispute; please settle it with the appropriate talkpage discussion or WP:DR. -- Softlavender (talk) 08:22, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
    Not really. If you check the edit history of the article, Legacypac is edit-warring against the whole world. They started the second AfD when one of their removals were reverted. This is not about the content dispute, this is about disruptive editing. I personally have no particular preference on whether the reaction of Thogo is in the article or not.--Ymblanter (talk) 08:32, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

User:Ymblanter your statement "Legacypac is edit-warring against the whole world" is quite misleading considering User:XavierItzm, User:SwisterTwister, User:Chrisw80, User:EvergreenFir, User:Whiskeymouth, User:Reywas92, User:Peter James, User:Rwxrwxrwx, User:MrX, User:The Almightey Drill, User talk:Aircorn, and User:Jolly Janner all voted to delete or redirect the page during first AfD and User:InedibleHulk voted delete in the second AfD, and there is a whole discussion at [[27]] about doing away with all such articles. You brought me to ANi because I took out reactions from Togo and East Timor so you must care a great deal. Please explain to everyone why these reactions are not an indiscriminate collection of information with no relevance to anything? Legacypac (talk) 08:51, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for that biased canvassing. Now please ping all other !voters, including keep ones. AusLondonder (talk) 08:54, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
Your battleground behavior with regards to this article is absolutely unacceptable. Irrespectively of how other users voted they did not go and remove things repeatedly, and they did note renominate an AfD fr the second time two days after the first one was closed. Do not blame others for your own unacceptable behavior.--Ymblanter (talk) 09:27, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

@Ymblanter: I don't see any edit-warring. I see AusLondonder made one revert of one edit Legacypac made, and LP did not revert. I see WWGB, while agreeing with Legacypac that the article was a coatracky mess, reverted two separate edits of LP, and LP has not reverted. This is just a clear and very simple content dispute, and all LP has done is try to trim a coatracky article which is already of dubious notability. Rather than bring this to ANI, why not counsel him to start an RfC, or start one yourself? Softlavender (talk) 09:02, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Please look better, there are more removals and reverts in the history.--Ymblanter (talk) 09:25, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
And there was already an RfC, the fact they perfectly know about.--Ymblanter (talk) 09:28, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
(1) I did look at every edit LP made, and every revert of any of his removals, and posted the results above. (2) There has never been a single WP:RFC on the talk page of that article. You are making a lot of statements that don't bear out; you need to provide diffs to substantiate your claims (which you haven't done even in the OP). Softlavender (talk) 09:53, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
(1) If you did look at all LPs edits I am not sure why you missed this one because this was exactly the second attempt of LP to avoid consensus. When it failed, they opened the second Afd. (2) RfC was not a the talk page, it was elsewhere, and I am not going to search for it now. However, it was opened exactly in relation to that article. Thank you for your opinion, but you are not an administrator, and in this topic, I am interested in an administrative action, I think I was very clear on this.--Ymblanter (talk) 10:00, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
Not a single person reverted or contested that edit. I don't see it as an ""attempt to avoid consensus" because at that point there was no consensus. There is no edit war. You stated that "Legacypac is edit-warring against the whole world" and have never given evidence of a single edit war. Moreover, in my opinion no admin is going to take action unless you prove your case and your claims with diffs, and you haven't. Softlavender (talk) 11:33, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
The RFC was at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Archive 127#Proposal to do away with including world leader responses to terrorist incidents. —Cryptic 10:05, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
Great, thanks.--Ymblanter (talk) 10:12, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
Again, there has never been a single RfC at Talk:Reactions to the 2016 Brussels bombings. And the closing of that RfC on Village Pump says consensus is "that most reactions are not worth including. Very few editors supported indiscriminately listing all reactions from world leaders, and those who did failed to reconcile their position with WP:INDISCRIMINATE." The entire matter at hand is a content dispute about one article, and an RfC is needed on that one article. Softlavender (talk) 11:33, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

When did a No Consensus AfD establish Consensus? Maybe Admin action is needed against the filer here. Legacypac (talk) 10:08, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

The Village Pump discussion conclusion stated "there is consensus ... that specific reactions and condolences generally do not qualify for inclusion" under WP:NOTNEWS. Legacypac's edits are just following that consensus decision, and doing it in a mild way I think. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 14:04, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

I see no edit-warring from Legacypac either, just (1) an AFD relisting which was not out of order as the first was closed as "no consensus". Then failing that, (2) admirable efforts to excise the most irrelevant trivia from the page, in line with the mentioned RFC, together with constructive discussion on the talk page. — Rwxrwxrwx (talk) 10:21, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

I have to agree. The entire article is an embarrassment, and was especially before Legacypac made his first trim: [28]. Softlavender (talk) 11:37, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
Meaning basically you are biased and therefore tend not to notice an obvious pattern of misconduct. Fine.--Ymblanter (talk) 11:46, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
What indication is there that I am biased? Softlavender (talk) 13:19, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
  • Support block or indef topic ban I'm sick of seeing Lp here for his POV pushing. The world doesn't revolve around the feelings of Sunnis. (talk) 19:44, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
Does any administrator care to comment on the behavior of the user?--Ymblanter (talk) 06:33, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Ymblanter breaching ISIL 1RR Sanctions[edit]

Given the false accusations above, can Ymblanter explain their own blatant edit warring in violation of the 1RR ISIL sanctions on this same article [29] and [30]. Legacypac (talk) 09:30, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

At the time, it was not under 1RR.--Ymblanter (talk) 09:35, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
Technically speaking, the note was added by an IP [31] and can be easily contested. However, my edits were before that moment anyway, and after the second revert (when I realized my opponent is not familiar with WP:BRD) I opened a topic at the talk page, and we came to a kind of consensus.--Ymblanter (talk) 09:40, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

All ISIL related pages are under 1RR automatically but you should know that. You actually made a third revert within 24 hours [32] so you went 3RR on a 1RR. Legacypac (talk) 09:47, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Nothing is automatic. Stop using ad hoc arguments and address your own behavior. The topic was about you.--Ymblanter (talk) 09:49, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

You started this, and you should know that your own behavior is open to analysis at ANi when you start a thread against someone else. BOOMARANG can hit you hard. SCW&ISIL DS apply the moment a page is created, not when someone gets around to adding a note about them. How the heck would you contest that a page about terrorism attacks by ISIL is not related to ISIL? Legacypac (talk) 09:54, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

It is not even a page about attacks, it is a page about reactions on these attacks, and it was not even clear whether it is ISIL in the beginning. Stop bullshitting and address your own behavior.--Ymblanter (talk) 10:01, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

For how many minutes was it unclear these were ISIL attacks? [33] It is your accusations and your own breach of ISIL DS that need to be addressed here. Legacypac (talk) 10:05, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Good, I am really tired. Let see who will be the first admin to block me for 1RR given the circumstances.--Ymblanter (talk) 10:11, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
A truly pathetic attempt to instigate a boomerang here. Dragging up (wholly mistakenly) this trivia in an attempt to besmirch. Have seen LP's POINTy agenda over many article Talk Pages and they are far from a stranger to these pages. No apparent willingness to collaborate or compromise with other viewpoints. Regrettably I think the time has come for some kind of stronger message. User:Ymblanter has shown great restraint here, but everyone's patience gets exhausted eventually. (talk) 12:17, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

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Apparent behavioral problems/personal attacks involving anon IP on math pages[edit]

Editor blocked for a month by Floq for bigotry and general antisocialness. Liz Read! Talk! 21:19, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
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This is to report seemingly unprofessional editing and abusive treatment of editor by a anonymous IP [34] . The violations of the rules of outing editors and the incoherent language are apparent here [35]. Visibly the person is not a mathematician (as per his own admission) and is asking editor to produce credentials. His editing and reverting is apparent here [36]. An administrator as well as other people involved in mathematical pages should take a look.Limit-theorem (talk) 20:00, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

You can see the IP doing the same personal attacks on other editors.Limit-theorem (talk) 20:13, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
  • [We're all anonymous here, except for Jimbo Wales.] Drmies (talk) 20:11, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
I've {{redacted}} a lot of their personally insulting comments and given them a warning for making personal attacks. Let me know if I missed anything. -- The Voidwalker Discuss 20:12, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
excuse me? i provided two links to my proficiency in mathematics, both of which demonstrate my ability. in contrast, you have not provided any information about your accomplishments. further, you've got a history of avoiding people when they confront you about your edits, as i demonstrated on the appropriate page. if you think that you can get away with alleging someone has no mathematical experience, when their body of work suggests otherwise, while refusing to show any of yours, you're delusional. further, i told you quite clearly that the concept of measure involves a measurable function, which requires introduction of, at the VERY LEAST, an "x axis" so that the areas can be calculated *relative* to it. the notion of measure was originally introduced as a systematised approach for integrating primitive functions.
mods, admins, may i ask how you allow people to hurl false claims in order to protect their integrity? look at what htis guy is saying. he's saying i'm not a mathematician and yet my body of work clearly shows i have *DEMONSTRATED* my ability to use nuanced concepts from probability theory. i have also done work in measure theory, so i have no idea where he gets off making this allegations.
lastly, i got a warning from someone because of this guy, but i think he's trying to scare me into accepting his incorrect edit. wikipedia needs to start prioritising correctness over feelings, because right now this guy got demoralised and humiliated. he thought he was a "math guy". i asked for credentials and i'll provide mine (again) so i can ask for his (again):
do you guys honestly think it's acceptable for this guy, who has provided no substantive edits, nor any information about his own accomplishments, to hurl allegations? say what you want about my "conduct", i have added way more than he has on this IP alone. nonetheless, i got the warning and i'll stick to the content (as i have here) (talk) 20:18, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
I warned you because you were discussing that a user's ethnicity governs their ability to edit, which goes against WP:NPA (a guideline on personal attacks (there should be no such attacks)). This has nothing to do with the content of your edits. -- The Voidwalker Discuss 20:29, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
I guess an administrator should not need more evidence than this.Limit-theorem (talk) 20:21, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
As far as I can see the IP's edits in the articles are correct, though edit summaries are sometimes inflammatory. The talk page edits including the one above are not really acceptable. I have a PhD in physics and math.--Ymblanter (talk) 20:23, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
  • I've blocked the IP for a month for spewing bigoted attacks after being warned not to. Discussion on who is right and who is wrong can be moved to the talk page; it's all Greek to me, so Ymblanter's participation there would be welcome. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:29, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

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User Izac Cobain Johns.[edit]

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This user, (Izac Cobain Johns. (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log) seems to keep changing genres on various articles without giving sources for it. Has been warned multiple times in the past about this behavior and yet keeps doing it. Feinoha Talk 00:34, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Perhaps the two-week vacation from editing I just gave him will help. Katietalk 01:45, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

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Bartoli family hoax and disruptive editing[edit]

Aoidh says it was a miscommunication that has been sorted. Knowing1900 blocked. Solved.--v/r - TP 03:36, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
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This post is in regard to the falsifications in Bartoli family, Volterra & al. and the collateral disruptive editing and denial of misconduct.

1. Main disruption
  • Bartoli family states that "the younger [son] Fabio Bartoli resides in London, England"
  • Geolocate on points to London.
  • Based on that observation and WP:IDART it may be presumed that is Knowing1900 logged out.
  • Similarly based on IDART it may be presumed that Coralsnan (talk · contribs) is a sock account.
  • For the record: as editing includes cross-wiki vandalism on that I have reverted, I have asked Steward and Admin Vituzzu to look at the accounts and see if global locks are warranted.
  • I ask for community opinion on whether or not local blocks for disruption are warranted in this case.
2. Collateral disruption
  • Aoidh (talk · contribs) made an edit to Volterra in this diff. Instead of reverting to "last good revision", he selectively removed valid information such the mention of Volterra Cathedral in a bulleted list citing WP:V and WP:BURDEN as his reason. He also removed large parts of the fabricated material added by Knowing1900 and IP78.145.17.94. He failed to identify § French Invasion (Previous revision of Volterra q.v.) as vandalism despite the section being (a) void of sources, and (b) included terms such as Royal Assebly of Volterra [sic] and Gian Tullio Bartoli that returns zero Google hits. Apart from in Bartoli family.
  • I went on a mopping-up round and reverted to "last revision prior to Knowing1900/ edits" in Bartoli, Volterra Cathedral, and Volterra.
  • Aoidh as his first subsequent edit Twinkle-reverted me in this diff citing Per WP:BURDEN, these need sources if they are going to be added to the article. With this revert Aoidh restores for the first time the unsourced section § French Invasion with the vandal's fabrications.
  • Italian user Chiorbone da Frittole (talk · contribs) undoes Aoidh's edit in this diff.
  • Aoidh again as his first subsequent edit reverts in this diff again citing See WP:BURDEN and WP:V. Provide sources for this material. With this revert Aoidh restores for the second time the unsourced section § French Invasion with the vandal's fabrications.
  • Chiorbone da Frittole gets rid of the unsourced material by undoing Aoidh again in Diff of Volterra asking in her edit summary discuss on the talk page, you're deleting well-known facts as well.
  • Aoidh instead of observing WP:BRD and enter into dialogue Twinkle-reverts in this diff again citing WP:BURDEN as his reason. With this revert Aoidh restores for the third time the unsourced section § French Invasion with the vandal's fabrications.
  • He then immediately after gives Chiorbone da Frittole a standardised level three warning, {{uw-unsourced3}}, using Twinkle in this diff Warning: Addition of unsourced or improperly cited material on Volterra.
  • Chiorbone da Frittole again gets rid of the unsourced material by undoing Aoidh in Diff of Volterra
  • Aoidh follows up in his next edit on User talk:Chiorbone da Frittole giving her a manual warning saying Just so there's no confusion, if you hit "undo" again without providing a source, you will be reported at WP:AN3 and likely blocked from editing.
  • Chiorbone da Frittole follows up in Diff of User talk:Aoidh saying Before deleting so many graphs, discuss it on the talk page. Or I will request for administrator attention. Stop threatening me, you have not motivated in the tak page your editings. Thanks.
  • First then did Aoidh seize edit-warring in the article, and he and she have since had a dialogue on the article talk page, Volterratalk. I'm not now going into details about Aoidh's misinterpretations of policies and accusations there.


  • I followed up on User talk:Aoidh in this diff, and Aoidh replied in this diff with claiming that I haven't been trying to restore unsourced material that others have been trying to remove. As can be seen above he has restored unsourced material thrice.
  • I then sourced Volterra with ~60 {{Cite book}} in Diff of Volterra to demo how walk-in-the-park'ish it is to source a subject like this instead of deleting contents.
  • Aoidh revisited the article and Twinkle-slammed a {{refimprove}} onto it in this diff – only to revert himself moments later.
  • My further follow-ups on his talk page have been futile: here he claims that it is I not he who restores unsourced material in Diff of Volterra. This displays that he remains unaware of the section § French Invasion being a fabrication.
  • Aoidh has since repeated his denial in this diff saying that at no point did I add or restore any such passage to the article by any means. suggesting I was "very confused".
  • Since Aoidh in this diff said bordering on WP:NPA at this point with accusations that lack evidence, do you want to try that again, and include diffs that back up your claim that I have restored "unsourced material that both she and I have tried to remove"? ...
  • On his request I then followed up in this diff listing the diffs he asked for and demonstrating how easily it is to WP:SOFIXIT rather than deleting evoking WP:BURDEN. And offering my help with sourcing in the future.
  • Aoidh's has not responded, but has reacted by deleting my post stating You've shown that you do not understand how diffs work which explains your lack of understanding. Do not comment here again until you gain of understanding of what it is you're doing wrong. I remain unaware of what I have done wrong, and invite Aoidh to respond here.
  • Aoidh has then deleted the whole thread on his talk page in this diff stating I think I've tolerated this nonsense long enough. Baseless accusations made from a critical lack of understanding.

I see multiple challenges in a course of events like this. First and foremost the repeated denial of any mistakes. Many of us make mistakes; someone corrects us; we take the critique at heart; we move on. But not here.

Would other editors have a look at this? I also invite feedback on how I've handled the situation. Could I have done it more gracefully? --Sam Sailor Talk! 00:45, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

This is quite a long read. Generally I suggest folks trim it down, but I think you've made this as succient as possible. User:Aoidh's edit summary here is ironic and their other edit summaries citing WP:BURDEN are even more ironic. I think Aoidh is displaying a level of incompetence. Someone is having trouble understanding diffs, and it's Aoidh. I suggest that Aoidh take a break from waving the heavy stick of TW at other editors for awhile and find an article to edit. This diff where they self-revert looks promising, but their denials and threats despite the diffs clearly showing that they continually restored "Bartoli family lost its control over Volterra and the ..." etc, and their denials are seriously concerning.--v/r - TP 00:54, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
I love Twinkle and hitting one button to make pages change is awesome. However, as Aoidh is going to learn, it's not always the optimal solution. Doubling-down on a mistake is even worse. To re-address the main culprit, Knowing1900 needs to be blocked if not banned on en-wp for hoaxing. The socks can be blocked per WP:DUCK. Chris Troutman (talk) 01:16, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
  • Comment - I see the diff now, this. I don't know if it's the new computer I got or what, but this was not what I meant to do, and when I asked what diff they were talking about, this diff was the one given, as seen here. My mouse has been clicking multiple times on a single click, while also not clicking when I try to, that's the only explanation I can think of but I am positive that I went through the article and checked my diffs, and I am only now seeing content being restored (which was not intended). I apologize for the confusion on my end, but I assure you @TParis: it is not an incompetence issue, rather a user error that will not reoccur. When asked for evidence of what was being claimed, this was the only diff given, until this 28,486) byte edit that seemingly copypasted the entire article onto my talk page. Between the (admitted) issue where I unintentionally loaded content, Sam's lack of any diff that verified what he was saying, instead giving a diff that did not support what he was saying and my own (admitted) issue finding the diff in question, I could not find what Sam was talking about. This confusion was exacerbated by Sam simply providing a diff that didn't show what they were saying and not providing anything to verify what they were saying, until yesterday when they placed it into a wall of text larger than many articles. However, this could have been avoided by me paying closer attention to the edits I made, so this is ultimately on me. I apologize for the confusion. - Aoidh (talk) 02:18, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

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Removing tags on Time (Electric Light Orchestra album)[edit]

At the core of this dispute, it is all about content, and there is an RFC ongoing that will decide the fate of the material. I strongly suggest moving the discussion over there instead, as admin do not decide content disputes, and spreading it over two venues isn't helpful. Dennis Brown - 00:06, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
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ilovetopaint has insisted on adding a storyline to the Time (Electric Light Orchestra album), even though I found a source with the author, Jeff Lynne, explaining that even he doesn't know what his songs are about and that he leaves it up to the listener, and gives no indication about there being a storyline beyond a guy either going to or imagining the future (Lynne says himself he doesn't know which).

I added tags for when this imaginative storyline directly contradicts the lyrics, the author or even sometimes his secondary non-authoritative source. ilovetopaint then started an RfC on the topic. So far so good, however, ilovetopaint then removed the tags I added. IMO he can't do that until the RfC is over in 30 days. Any input on that? --OpenFuture (talk) 10:46, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Attempts for rational discussion has failed. Sigh. [37], [38]. --OpenFuture (talk) 15:13, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
"Attempts for rational discussion has failed" — no kidding! [39]--Ilovetopaint (talk) 17:10, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

The RfC is about whether the section is even valid and should be there. I tried tidying up the wording to reflect what is stated in sources better and removing tags where they were excessive. As it turned out, every single claim tagged with "failed verification" was taken verbatim from source. OpenFuture is currently in dispute over Lynne's statements and refuses to cite specific sources, whereas I have numerous citations and direct quotations proving my case.--Ilovetopaint (talk) 11:02, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

The claim that everything is taken verbatim from the authoritative sources is untrue. Your citations does not prove your case, and often directly contradicts them. --OpenFuture (talk) 11:17, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
There are at least three instances in this revision where you have embellished on a source (will specify where on request). I've tidied up the section again but it'll surely be a matter of time before another unnecessary edit that either embellishes a source or serves your personal crusade to bury all notions concerning the album's indisputable conceptual premise.--Ilovetopaint (talk) 17:10, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
Your claim of embellishment is patently incorrect. Also, the discussion is not about the conceptual premise, but whether there is a storyline. How can you not know that by now? Have you not read anything I write to you? --OpenFuture (talk) 17:23, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
No, I stopped here.--Ilovetopaint (talk) 20:27, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

I simply deleted most of the things I tagged, and it seems like Ilovetopaint was OK with that this time around, so I guess this issue is done with now. It would have been better if he had discussed the issues in a rational and courteous manner, of course, but apparently not. --OpenFuture (talk) 20:37, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Or you could have done what I did and make an attempt to improve upon and copyedit what was already there [40] [41] instead of arbitrarily removing verified content with such insightful rationales as "No. Stop." [42] [43] [44], all while claiming that none of the reliably sourced information was supported by an online radio interview you conveniently failed to provide a link for (it turned out Lynne confirmed everything you were desperate to debunk).--Ilovetopaint (talk) 20:58, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
As usual, almost everything you say are falsehoods. Lynne confirmed only one thing: That the theme was time travel. That's all.--OpenFuture (talk) 21:16, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
Anybody who cares is free to verify Lynne's statements for themselves (other sources: [45] [46] [47]).--Ilovetopaint (talk) 22:09, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

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Jun Hong Lu[edit]

I have deleted those edits as copyvios, and commented at User talk: User:Derek R Bullamore, you should have told the IP efitor about this report here. Fences&Windows 16:13, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
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Could someone take a look at this edit. I am certain that the editor concerned has acted in good faith and even wrote to me via e-mail stating that the edit had been made. Perhaps it may fall foul of WP:Recent and/or WP:Undue and WP:NPOV. I asked the editor via e-mail if he could provide a reliable source for the statement that has been included in the article, as all I could find was one on Facebook. My knowledge of Jun Hong Lu and Buddhism is minimal, and I am unsure of the 'true' connection between each party, and even if the parties named in the joint statement are significant/notable.

I am away from home and Wikipedia for four days from tomorrow, so would appreciate a note on my talk page if things are regularly purged here, so I can trace back to other editors thought processes on this issue.

Many thanks,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 14:15, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

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Help request with bulk undeletion of pages deleted under U1[edit]

User:Fences_and_windows has very kindly taken care of this request for me. :) (non-admin closure) Goldenshimmer (talk) 17:36, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
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Herro! I'd like to request a slightly complicated undeletion. Basically, I'd like a couple things that I can't do as a non-admin:

Would someone be willing to do this for me? Thank you, and sorry for the trouble :)

If y'all are curious why: I deleted the old account's subpages when I got really fussy about privacy for a while, but I've stopped believing much in privacy, and would like to restore the pages for the historical record. Also, I'd like to look at my old CSS for my userpage :3

Goldenshimmer (talk) 00:20, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask this, but I couldn't really think of a better place, since WP:REFUND's form doesn't allow for complicated things like this Goldenshimmer (talk) 00:21, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
Oh, forgot to mention that some or all of the pages may have been deleted while they were still subpages of User:Ecw.technoid.dweeb, if that has any effect.Goldenshimmer (talk) 03:43, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
Also, it looks like there are deleted subpages of User:Goldenshimmer; if these could also be restored that would be cool. Thanks :) Goldenshimmer (talk) 04:49, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
User:Goldenshimmer, I think I've undeleted what you wanted. Fences&Windows 15:10, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
Sweet, thank you so much, User:Fences_and_windows. :) Goldenshimmer (talk) 17:26, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

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User:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz[edit]

Redirect restored and semi-protected per long-term consensus. Fences&Windows 13:31, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
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I am not sure if this is the right place to bring this up. But User:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz has had a very long history of abuse and make edits without giving any reasons. If you look at his talk page you can see he is always rude to people and does not really care.

I would like to point out one issue. On the page Sal the Stockbroker there has been a discussion to not redirect and make it an article. User talk:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz comes around makes this edit [48] and then gives no reason. He also did not discuss why he made this edit. There seems to be consensus to keep it, but he just came around and made that edit. He has a history of doing this without giving a reason for what he is doing.

Someone needs to get this guy in check. (talk) 00:51, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Glancing over Talk:Sal the Stockbroker shows what appears to be 6 year old consensus for a redirect rather than a standalone article. Looking over the article history, I see many established editors and admins reverting it back to a redirect and what appears to be one IP editor restoring the article. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz can't be expected to reinitiate a discussion every time he wants to restore the article to a state accepted by previous consensus. I would suggest that the IP initiate a discussion before replacing the redirect with a standalone article, to see if there is any change in consensus. As a side note, accusing someone of "super long term abuse" and then supplying one diff of one incident seems inappropriate to me. --Nick⁠—⁠Contact/Contribs 01:15, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
  • I've reverted the restoration of the article, and semi-protected it. Rule of thumb: IP editors who come to ANI complaining about long term problems with other editors are trolls or banned editors 99.5% of the time. IP editors who meet this criteria plus are editing from an IP used by a racist a month ago are 100% guaranteed to be a racist troll. --Floquenbeam (talk) 01:34, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

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User threat[edit]

Account indefinitely blocked.--QEDK (T C) 18:40, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
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User Whitetararaj just messaged me with a physical threat (diff). Quoting him: "Ente Kayyil Ninnayirikkum ninte anthyam. This is a threatning. Kettoda Bullshit". He has written it in Malayalam Language with English spellings and alternate English words, probably for avoiding English users from reading it. It means "Your death will be from my hands. This is a threatning. You hear that bullshit". You can consult other Malayali users from Wikipedia:WikiProject Kerala for translating it. I don't know what provoked him to write it, I don't think he literally means it. It's more of a figurative threat. But not a normal threat for ignoring. --Charles Turing (talk) 15:33, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

The section heading ('Death') is also threatening. Pincrete (talk) 16:01, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
I blocked the account. Please read Wikipedia:Responding to threats of harm. If you wish to have the particular edits removed from the edit logs (that is, hidden except to admins), please request here and either myself or another admin will do so. I take no stance on whether or not you should contact except to point you to that essay. --Yamla (talk) 16:49, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
I have removed it from my talk page. No need to erase the log entry. I am considering it only as a spam. --Charles Turing (talk) 17:22, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

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User:Ovidwally seems to be a single-purpose account with no interest in Wikipedia other than adding images of his own artworks to articles, which he has so far done in Ovid, Metamorphoses, Actaeon, Ariadne, and Daphne. Personally, I don't think the images are significant or illuminating enough to provide any useful enhancement to the articles, but that's neither here nor there. He has, however, insisted on linking to his Web site in the captions, repeatedly reverting my removal of the link in the Metamorphoses article per WP:ELPOINTS #2, even though I left an explanation on his talk page. And now I see that he's begun adding a copyright notice in each caption in contravention of WP:CREDITS, as well as forcing the size of the images to enlarge them. I realize that this is a new editor who may not even know that he has a talk page, but given his COI, I despair of changing his behavior. I thought about giving him a short block to get his attention, but since I may be thought involved at this point, I decided to bring the matter to other admins' attention instead. Deor (talk) 19:45, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

I'd rather engage him than just block him at this point. The copyright notice is problematic, although (assuming he is the artist) he released the images under CC 4.0 when he uploaded them to Commons. I think it's a well-intentioned participant who isn't yet fully aware of the rules. Of course, future behaviour will indicate where to go next...and I've added his user talk page to my watch list to see what happens. —C.Fred (talk) 20:03, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
Well, that's another problem: I'm not sure whether he's aware of the implications of the CC license he's released the images under (each page of his Web site does feature a copyright notice). Since it's not absolutely certain that the account is the artist himself, I suppose we could make him file an OTRS ticket showing that he indeed has the right to release the images. Anyway, I'll be watching, too. Deor (talk) 20:52, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
I echo the concerns of Deor. I saw the license on commons, but I don't think the artist realized what they were doing when they selected that license as their copyright notice on the article seems to imply. What's also concerning is the link to their homepage which appears to be a form of link spam.--v/r - TP 21:24, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
Disregarding the license for a second, this is a big COI. He's essentially using those pages for self-promotion. There are hundreds, maybe even THOUSANDS of painting that could be put on those pages that are far more notable than his. (talk) 04:18, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Persistent genre warring by Thijn23[edit]

Editor has been receiving constant warnings for genre warring without appropriate sourcing (or sometimes any at all) since October, and as recently as six days ago (see user's talk), but has continued to do so especially in the past week, particularly on Taylor Swift-related articles: see contribs, almost all of the recent ones are dedicated to this behavior. The only discussion from this user has occurred at Talk:Red (Taylor Swift album). Everything else is done without discussion, often without sources, and seemingly without any intention of stopping. A block is needed to prevent further disruption. Chase (talk | contributions) 20:11, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

  • Note: User just blanked a warning given in March from their talk, for some apparent reason. Perhaps to make it look like not as many recent warnings have been given. Chase (talk | contributions) 20:31, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
  • I deleted that because it was not accurate, I corrected the genre of Pills n Potions correct, added a note in the edit page and it is still up there today. However, those other warnings I discussed further with the people giving them. Whenever I make a change on an album page, it was based on the reliable sources listed in the critical reception. Example: Critics have noted country and pop to be the genre on the album Fearless. I changed the genre from Country pop - pop, to Country - pop, which is in line with the critical reception. Whenever I think a genre should be added, I start a discussion like I did at Red (Taylor Swift album) There is no reason to ban my account. I do not do anything against the rules. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thijn23 (talkcontribs) 20:38, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
  • If you actually dive in to the history of both the Fearless and Speak Now page, you can actually see that I never changed the genre how it was, I changed it back to how it originally was. The genres on Speak Now were, Country pop - country - pop rock, which was in line with both the critical reception and the describitions of each indivual song based on reliable sources. When it was changed to Country - pop, I just changed it back. That's all. You make it seem as if I am making all types of changes to pages without a consensus but that is just simply not true. Thijn23 (talk | contributions) 23:05, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
  • Despite this discussion and Thijn23's arguments to the contrary, they are continuing to genre-war at Fearless (Taylor Swift album) – changing the infobox genre, which is immediately cited, from country pop and pop music (supported by the prose of the citation) to country and pop (diff). This is not supported by any prose currently in the album's Wiki article. This shows a blatant disregard for discussion, consensus, or sourcing, and is proof as to why this user needs to be blocked to prevent further disruption. Chase (talk | contributions) 23:24, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
Actually, I continued because I am absolutely not doing anything wrong. When a reliable source says an album draws a line between commercial country and Top 40 radio, and you put Country and pop as the genre of the album with providing a direct citation, that is not disruptive nor against the rules, that is, actually, doing exactly what to you seems the foundation of me needing to be blocked: editing the genre in an infbox based on a reliable source, with a direct citation supporting that change. The change is based on a reliable source that is listed in the critical reception of the page, so the fact that you are saying that it is not supported by any prose in the article, is inaccurate. In this case, the changes I have made probably have come off more disruptive to your own point of view than to the actual page and for that I would like you to stop. It is exactly why you are giving me an extra warning on my page saying it is 'not smart to continue genre warring' when in reality all I did was making a (minimal, by the way) change to the genre of an album, based on reliable sources. I will continue doing so when necessary, so you can either go on keeping track of my activities on Wikipedia or accept the fact that I will only change or add something based on reliable sources. Thijn23 (talk | contributions) 02:10, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
"Draws a line between genre x and genre y" supporting genre x is WP:SYNTH at best. Not to mention you're removing a sourced genre (country pop). Chase (talk | contributions) 04:40, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

R2-45 (continued)[edit]

Content dispute that can be discussed further through RFC as TParis suggested. Previous ANI went nowhere and this one doesn't appear to be going anywhere either. Filing party counseled that persistent BATTLEGROUND editing can lead to being blocked. (non-admin closure) (talk) 06:06, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
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After about 10 days, the previous WP:ELNEVER question about R2-45 article was [archived here] -- without a an answer from an admin of sufficient volume to change the status quo. As soon as the question was archived, one of the local editors interpreted the (relative) admin silence as implicit permission to continue ignoring (here) Wikipedia policy WP:ELNEVER on linking to non-free content and recordings. The editor, as shown in the diffs, is Damotclese (talk · contribs). There are other serious issues in this article including WP:BPL, WP:REDFLAG that I will bring up as another issue. One issue at a time seems to be the best way to handle it. Grammar's Li'l Helper Discourse 21:37, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

I'm the only admin who ever commented in that thread so I hope you're not saying that my silence was interpreted as anything. Admins don't make content decisions. The issue you're describing in that thread never belonged on ANI in the first place. What it needs is a properly formatted RFC on the article talk page to form a consensus on whether a link is appropriate or not.--v/r - TP 21:47, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
TParis (talk · contribs) Really? I thought we were discussing whether this is violation of WP copyright policy -- not content. Please confirm.