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I believe User:Umph may be ban-evading[edit]

I am not sure how to do this, and I kind of feel wrong, but I have suspicions that Onlyslighted is the same person as User:Umph. Onlyslighted as re-uploaded pictures that Umph original posted that were taken down because of copyright infringment. If nothing else, Onlyslighted has uploaded numerous pictures that raise copy right questions on my part. I hope that someone will look into this issue. Thank you! --Moeron 19:03, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

When I blocked Umph (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log), I did so with the assumption that if he expressed a willingness to abide by our copyright policies, he could return. Since this user seems by and large to be OK for copyright (there are a couple of problematic images, which I've dealt with, but very few), I have no problem with his editing here whether he's Umph or not. Chick Bowen 16:40, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Passive Aggressive Behaviour[edit]

This is possibly the wrong place to raise this, but is there any Wikipedia policy about avoiding passive aggressive behaviour - some sort of addendum to the "be civil" or "don't be a dick" policies? It strikes me a number of users here - especially the younger ones - are dab hands at this, and nothing, but nothing, is more likely to wind up an "adversary" in a content dispute. Inevitably incensed adversary will react grumpily, and thereby be the "uncivil" one, whereas the passive aggressive behaviour is the cause of everything.

Examples: users being utterly obnoxious and self righteous in a debate, then, when this behaviour is noted, all of a sudden reverting to "please treat other users with respect and don't use personal attacks" - when there hasn't actually been a personal attack (or at any rate the user totally deserved it!). I won't name names or cite example bc my intention isn't to snitch on anyone; rather to see whether the great and the good have thought about whether this argumentation strategy should be seen for what it is: just as obnoxious and odious (and indeed moreso) as not being civil in the first place.

At any rate, when confronted with the behaviour it would be nice to go back and say, smugly, "please don't indulge in passive aggressive behaviour: WP:Don't Be Passive Aggressive" (which is something I do anyway) and being immune from the inevitable response allegations of incivilility or engaging in personal attacks etc. ElectricRay 21:22, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

This idea may have merit. Hrmmm.... KillerChihuahua?!? 22:53, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
What you are proposing is exactly what you are accusing others of doing! If you had some way to say "don't be passive aggressive" and then quote "be immune from [...] allegations of incivility", I don't see how that's different to the alleged problem in the first place - not that I've seen anything that falls under your term "passive aggressive behaviour" anyway. Your argument that sometimes the user "deserved" a personal attack does you no credit either. ZoFreX 13:05, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps he should heed his own advice, then. KillerChihuahua?!? 19:02, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
I agree with you entirely. Sometimes, one can only fight fire with fire... And as for exampoles of passive aggressive behaviour, here's a classic: "Your argument that sometimes the user "deserved" a personal attack does you no credit either.". Don't be a dick. ElectricRay 15:02, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
MeatballWiki has wise words on social issues. One would predict that it comments on this form of trolling, too. Dr Zak 17:37, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Classic 'passive aggressive' beheaviour already falls under 'don't be a dick'. Remember, it's possible to be perfectly civil while still being a dick. Lawyers (wiki- and otherwise) are particularly adept at this. For the record, trying to goad other editors into a policy violation (WP:NPA, WP:3RR, etc.) is frowned upon, and will often result in censure.
Remember that our behaviour-related policies represent guidelines to deal with particularly common problems; they're not meant to be exhaustive. These policies just special cases of 'don't be a dick', and they all flow therefrom. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 21:04, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Fits perfectly into "don't be a dick" for me. SWATJester Ready Aim Fire! 22:37, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Gosh, and here I thought "Don't be a Dick" wasn't policy but guideline. The problems with "dick" and "NPA" and "no passive aggression" is that every single one of them has an excessive element of interpretation in it. I can go on, rather pedantically, about why all discussions break down when the interpretive medium hasn't been outlined with metrics to assess behavior, but no one needs to hear that again. Geogre 22:48, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Administrator abuse: User:El C[edit]

This user has been saying things like "JFAS, you're violating the terms set out for you RE:DCV, thereby setting yourself for a block. There will be no further warnings. El_C 20:06, 28 April 2006 (UTC)". These "terms" are a rule he has created himself; that he'll block me for any comment about deeceevoice (such as reporting him/her for violations of his/her arbcom ruling).

In addition he blocked me days ago for asking him for civility.

Justforasecond 22:46, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Please provide diffs. KillerChihuahua?!? 22:51, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
These terms and the subsequent block have been outlined at /Incidents#User:Deeceevoice above, and there appear to have been no objections to them. As always, I invite further input from those who are willing to study the form of interaction between JFAS and DCV. El_C 22:55, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
I'm scratching my head trying to figure that out... obviously don't like each other, but...
I do see your "...or will be censured" as missing some context and backstory as to why blocking is needed at this time; JFAS hadn't actually posted very much in the ANI thread above when you stated that, and the gripe in response didn't clearly violate any normal WP policies. What am I missing in backstory? Georgewilliamherbert 23:07, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
oh dear... someone post the condensed version of this, please? Its beyond me right now. KillerChihuahua?!? 23:12, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I meant I invite further input from those who are willing to study the form of interaction between JFAS and DCV more or less in its entirety — definitely not just /Incidents#User:Deeceevoice and the latest /User:deeceevoice_again. This is a reoccuring pattern going back months, whereby JFAS would target DCV in various venues. El_C 23:15, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
I support El C's handling of this. The provocation on both sides of the Deeceevoice situation has gone on long enough; it's time to rein it in. SlimVirgin (talk) 23:23, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
I was trying to study the form of interaction in its entirety; the first few things I hit had few elements of backstory, but I'm finding more as I wander further afield through histories and such. I commented after ten minutes of looking, and kept looking, and what I found after that point is much more illuminating.
It might make sense to RFC JFAS on this point, just to get it on the record and summarized somewhere. Among other things that provides the opportunity to collect and summarize things, which then can be insta-referenced for future incidents (if any). Also would make it clear to newcomers to the dispute that it's not just El C but a general community feeling that JFAS has been pushing the envelope into abusive territory on this. Georgewilliamherbert 23:43, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Fair point, I just dread the work involved and prefer to act unilaterally (did I just say that outloud?). But I think enough of the arbitrators are sufficiently familliar with the case, and JFAS portion of it specifically, that this could be appealed to them in the framework of RFAR/DCV as opposed to documenting much of what has already been noted there. I'm here to save them [and also, very much inadvertantly, myself] time & energy. Like a superclerk, without summaries! El_C 00:09, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

JSAF is over-the-top sometimes, see the links El_C provided. However, I can't agree with a blanket statement of "You're not allowed to comment on the activities of this other editor" and I certainly can't agree with enforcing such a decree with blocks. I think El_C is sometimes overzealous in his defense of DCV. She was sanctioned by the arbcom for good reason, and good faith efforts to enforce the arbcom decision should be encouraged, not discouraged. However, whether JSAF is acting in good faith on this matter is probably open to personal interpretation. I've advised him to back off myself, which I think is appropriate. Forcing him to back off with threats and blocks is far less appropriate, from where I sit. I think JSAF and El_C should both drop the issue. Friday (talk) 23:28, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I'll gladly drop it — until the next time JFAS targets DCV as in the two cases above, which, if experience is any indication, will be soon enough. If consensus among admins (less so from ones such as Friday who I think is sometimes overzealous in her defence of JFAS) is that I have to go through bureaucratic hoops and otherwise proceduralism to keep the peace, so be it. El_C 23:41, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Nobody's talking about bureaucratic hoops- I'd much rather rely on simple common sense. I agree that JSAF is in the wrong here, but a questionable block on him will only lend his cries of admin abuse more creedence. If you want to block him for disruption, so be it- I'm a firm believer in disruption blocks, despite their controversial nature. But be sure to make a good case for the block- blocking him specifically for commenting on DCV's actions would be a terrible idea, IMO. Friday (talk) 23:57, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
I don't see it as a bureaucratic hoop or proceduralism to ask that there be some formal documentation for an abuse case in which it's escalated to respected admins doing insta-block for incidents which, on the face of it from the immediate provocation, aren't a WP policy violation.
That's not you're wrong for doing those blocks; with what I've found by now, I won't object to those. That's I didn't get why those blocks were done or what the big deal was until I dug into it for a long time; if a reasonable editor or admin making a reasonable initial inquiry into a situation they aren't familiar with can think that the action wasn't justified, then it's probably not documented well enough (yet). Part of the reason for all the hoops and procedure is that it gives previously uninvolved/unaware parties the short form intro to what's wrong with the situation.
Thanks. Georgewilliamherbert 23:58, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
I think the abovementioned /Incidents#User:Deeceevoice and Incidents#User:deeceevoice_again speak volume as to this overall pattern, and am currently operating under the presumption that a third /Incidents#User:Deeceevoice yet again notice this week is to be viewd as disruptive. If DCV is staying away from JFAS, which she has been, I think it's only fair if JFAS would do the same. El_C 00:09, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
This problem is already being dealt with. People are disagreeing with his claims- he's really stretching things. A block would escalate the hard feelings with little benefit I can see. Friday (talk) 00:24, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
I don't see how the problem is being dealt with substantially, and am inclined to deter it from being repeated idefinitely. El_C 00:40, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
I hear you. I think the RFC is a good idea. I'll even help. All I'm saying is, disruption blocks need to have a good case made for them. If the case is just "he posted on AN/I complaining about another editor", that's not really a blockworthy offense. I agree that there is a pattern of problem behavior here, so surely there are better reasons for a block. Friday (talk) 00:48, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Okay, good. But I think our words as two admins at the somewhat opposite ends of the dispute really count for something and that the misconduct is rather obvious for the purposes of forecfuly keeping the interaction between the two to a minimum (that JFAS is almost always the instigator in these notwithstanding). I'm sure there are more useful things you could be doing here than contributing to such an RfC, I certainly know of several pressing issues that editors wish me to attend to and I'm not even sure I can find the time to deal with those. El_C 00:55, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Me, I think that ArbCom should act upon my suggestion at the top of the relevant "workshop" talk page. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 06:32, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
I am surprised that few administrators are opposed to this "one man arbcom" action. It is by no means disruption to report incivil actions by a user on probation here, and I think we'd all agree that responding to editors with "opinions are like a**holes, everyone has one" is hardly civil. If posting here is not disruption then there is no reason for these blocks, and El C is abusing his priviliges. Justforasecond 15:18, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

This seems to be a new trend lately: that editors, even respected long-term contributors and admins[1], are threatened with blocking and bans in order to protect a trouble user, who is not only contentious, discourteous and incivil since the very first contribution she ever made [2], but who also manages to violate all Wiki guidelines and policies frequently and continuously and is notorious for her disparaging remarks about "white folks" and other "non-blacks".

Personally, I get tired to see people dancing around the golden calf ad nauseam, and I'm sure that admins like EL_C will appreciate it if their actions are not questioned and if their self-made rules will be accepted without "bureaucratic hoops" and "otherwise proceduralism" such as providing summaries. That's why I suggest to add Wikipedia:Deeceevoice_Immunity to Wikipedia's key policies. Wikipedia:Deeceevoice_Immunity should include guidelines such as: (1) Do not caution DCV to refrain from edit wars, personal attacks and racist remarks -- otherwise you will be banned for incivility. (2) Do not oppose DCV's logical fallacies, unsourced POV edits and other falsifications -- otherwise you will be banned for harassment. (3) If you think that DCV violated Wiki guidelines, suck it up and move on and don't bring it to the admin noticeboard -- otherwise you will be banned for stalking. (4) Wikipedia:Deeceevoice_Immunity can be expanded, but only in favor of DCV, by any admin at any time without notice . (5) If you disagree with guideline (1)-(4) then you are a racist and a life long ban will be enacted. Wikipedia:Deeceevoice_Immunity will save all of us a lot of time and energy. CoYep 09:16, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Your personal opinion and sarcasm has been noted, but my warning nonetheless stands. Feel free to take whatever action you see fit. El_C 20:23, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Image tagging debate with Image:Red carnation.jpg and Image:Red carnation.png[edit]

Earlier today I removed these images from templates and userpages because they are tagged {{symbol}}, which is a fair use tag. The use of such images in template and userspace is prohibited by Wikipedia:Fair use criteria item #9. Since then, User:Dragon695 has claimed that Socialist International does not claim any copyrights on the image [3]. Dragon695 subsequently changed the tag on Image:Red carnation.jpg to {{PD-release}}, asserting that socialists do not believe in copyright. I reverted this change noting in my response on my talk page and in the edit summary of my revert that there has been no verification of the organization releasing their rights to the image [4]. User:Dragon695 reverted may change citing Property as proof that socialists held no copyrights to the image. I reverted his change, and am now reporting this here. I will not revert again should he undo my reversion. I would like input from other administrators on whether the {{symbol}} tag is appropriate given that the organization which created the symbol has not specifically released their rights to the image, despite the claim that socialists do not believe in copyrights. From Socialist International's website, from which the image was taken, I have found no copyright statement. However, I have found no specific copyright release, such as this release from another organization with respect to its images. It is my understanding that failing a specific release of rights, the organization retains those rights and we do not have authority to use their images outside of a fair use claim until we have verification that they have release their rights. Assistance/feedback please? --Durin 03:22, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Lots of socialists believe in copyright. If there's no specific release, then the images fall under copyright, and one user's interpretation of socialism does nothing to change that. Chick Bowen 05:13, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
It doesn't matter whether they believe in it or not, laws apply to everyone, including copyright laws. --bainer (talk) 05:50, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
  • I would appreciate it if someone would take the time to explain to the people putting these images back into {{User Social Democrat (OSV)}} and {{User Social Democrat}} why it may not be included in the template and why these images still must be tagged as {{symbol}}. The situation has degraded into a dispute, and my further attempts at doing the right thing will simply fan the flames. Thank you. --Durin 15:18, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Uh...a question. The image says it's used on one of my subpages in userspace, but I can't track it down. Strange. Johnleemk | Talk 15:41, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

  • I found it and removed it [5]. <insert pithy comment about another user being able/forced to find a fair use image in your 218 userboxes when you could not do the same> :) --Durin 23:42, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
    • I removed the fair use images from all userpages they were transcluded on. Ral315 (talk) 00:35, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Privacy violations by Hamsacharya dan[edit]

I changed my username due to previous harrassment by Hamsacharya dan (talk · contribs), specifically a bogus accusation and a legal threat made on the talk page of my old username (User_talk:Adityanath, now deleted). He is now stalking me on Wikipedia, revealing my previous username [6] by which I am well-known elsewhere on the net and had intentionally abandoned under m:Right to vanish. He also keeps changing my old userpage to point to my new username [7] [8]. Please let him know that such privacy violations are grounds for banning. Thanks. —Hanuman Das 21:05, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

I've deleted the revisions in question, and protected both the user and talk pages to point to the destinations chosen by the user. If he keeps up with disclosing information, bring it back and we'll try something else. Essjay (TalkConnect) 13:12, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Thank you!! :-) —Hanuman Das 03:09, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

He's identified me by my previous username again: [9] and he's put in a request to unprotect my old userpage [10]. Also, I've opened an RfC for issues related to User:Hamsacharya dan. Attempted intimidation by privacy violation is included. The addition of your comments on this aspect of the situation would be appreciated. —Hanuman Das 12:47, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Valuable link deleted as spam. Not spam.[edit]

Article: Crystal radio receiver. I added link at bottom in "external links" to one of my "Radio of the Month" pages featuring a crystal radio. Someone keeps deleting it as spam. I'm no spammer. I do have a commercial interest as I am the author of a book on crystal radios, which I sell elsewhere on my web site. Still, should this incidental commerciality ban my valuable and interesting link from the crystal radio receivers page? It would seem that such a policy would ban some of the most knowledgeable people on any subject. Here's the link that keeps getting deleted:

I detest spam. But let's not throw out the babies with the bathwater. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ewrobbel (talkcontribs)

This spammer has been trying to insert a link to a site that sells books on crystal radios and to one publication in particular this book. I have reverted him several times under the terms of WP:SPAM. His last effort was a trojan horse to the same site: who I suspect the Anon is. We've been down this road before. --DV8 2XL 20:32, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

This response is from the very person I am having the problem with. I don't know what Anon is?? Or what this means?? Or what trojan horse refers to? I'm not what this overzealous guardian of all Wikipedia apparantly think I am. A spammer? I'm just a little guy trying to improve an article with a link to related info and my book on the subject. That's all. DV8 2XL is way over my head with all this anger and aggression. I tried several ways to link, hoping to satisfy him. I regret that nothing I do seem to meet with his approval. I have read his User Page and it is clear he has a lot of anger about people changing what he writes. I'm sorry for him, but he should not take his frustrations out on others.

I suggest you read WP:SPAM. --Darth Deskana (talk page) 20:57, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, Deskana. I have done that. My understanding is that the link is within guidelines and is proper. The guidelines are not so strictly non-commercial as many seem to think. There is much of value out there that would be lost to us if DV8 2XL's overly-zealous reading of commerciality were the correct interpretation of the guideline. It isn't. My link is to my "Radio of the Month," which is a continuing series in which I share with the public photos and info about notable radios from my collection. The commercial aspects of it are minor and in no way color the information or photos presented. To deny it to Wikipedia readers is a disservice to them. Please understand my position

This looks like a content dispute. Not really AN/I material. --Ryan Delaney talk 21:34, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
I hate to disagree with you Ryan but he's linking to his own commercial web page. This is pure and simple spamming. --DV8 2XL 21:40, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
I'm not fully convinced that the author (Eric Wrobbel) is doing this only for the purposes of spam. Clearly, he knows something about crystal radios, and I'd encourage him to contribute in areas where he has interests (as long as it's not original research). Besides, we shouldn't bite the newcomers. On the other hand, there's a certain gray area about inserting links to your own web site -- I've been tempted to add links to my inline skate club web site under Midtown Greenway and Cedar Lake Trail, but I recognize there's a conflict of interest in that. One other thing: If these books are available from online booksellers other than the author's web site, they can be listed under the ISBN (International Standard Book Number); see Wikipedia:ISBN for details. (Disclaimer: I'm not an admin, and this isn't an official admin-type opinion, but I have this page on my watchlist for some reason.) --Elkman - (talk) 22:04, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Oh, one more thing: Only three reverts in a 24-hour period are permitted. There's more than that in the history of Crystal radio receiver. --Elkman - (talk) 22:06, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
It's my understanding that 3RR doesn't apply to de-spamming. If anyone can tell me with a straight face that he was not posting these links in an attempt to drive traffic to his site, and that the site in question is not a commercial one, I have been laboring under the wrong definition of spam. --DV8 2XL 23:31, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for hearing my point of view. I HAVE contributed to Wikipedia articles--several times to several articles, though I never had a user name before today. This article seems great as is, so I haven't added or changed any content. But felt it could use a link to the great radio I feature on my "Radio of the Month" page. DV8 2XL, I feel WAY too much anger out of you. Bad for your health. Take a cue from this discussion and calm down. You don't have to save the world from me. So, how about it? Will you put my link back up? Are you interested in crystal radios? Because I can assure you that people who are--like me, for example--are very much interested in seeing pictures and info of the sort that my link provides. --Ewrobbel 04:09, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

I've got nothing to do with this particular discussion or with crystal radios, but simply as a longtime Wikipedia editor, I need to point out that giving people sarcastic, patronizing "health advice" takes down the civility levle of any discussion. It's not necessary to speak to people that way, and it's certainly not in keeping with the civil tone and acting-in-good-faith presumption that Wikipedia policy encourages. I'm just sayin'. -- Tenebrae 04:36, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Eric Wrobbel, you are adding mendacity to spamming if you claim it was only a desire to improve the article that motivated you to post the first two times to a page where a book you wrote is for sale, on a site run by you selling more of your publications. I watch a number of the electronic/radio-television pages, I'm going to make a special effort now to watch the ones that you might also feel need to be "improved" by a link to your catalogue. --DV8 2XL 05:06, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

I have no prior involvement with this dispute, but if you're adding a link to your own site, you might want to think twice about WP:VANITY too. If one side or the other has a burning need to push this issue, file an RfC, and in any case take this content dispute off WP:ANI. Isopropyl 19:09, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

That's not a bad idea. Even a third opinion might help bring a little resolution to this (since, IMHO, this is a little too murky to be an admin problem). --InShaneee 19:22, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Tenebrae, I am sorry for the sarcasm. Please understand that I'm REACTING here. DV8 2XL keeps calling me a spammer, name-calling to which I take great offense. And now he is stalking me all over Wikipedia. I have tried treating this person in good faith but he was abusive from the beginning. Why no exhortation to him to act in good faith? I get no benefit of the doubt, no civility, nothing but a high-handed judge-and-jury attitude from DV8 2XL. What am I supposed to do? Just go away? Wikipedia's policy on newcomers is being grossly violated here if that's what you want.--Ewrobbel 22:14, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry, the first several links you inserted are clearly links whose sole purpose is to promote a commercial product with no additional information on the topic. You've had a chance to read the applicable policy; would you agree with that statement? The last link seemed more useful and expanded on the topic somewhat; but it was just a picture with a few paragraphs of text and a link at the end to your catalog/price list. This is still a problem with our external link policy. It is clear that you're into the hobby; it would be wonderful if you added content to the article - we could really use your help and insight. Kuru talk 22:57, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Another question; when you say "now he is stalking me all over Wikipedia", can you give some examples of other places he has stalked you? I only see edits here and at the mediation cabal, which are intended as discussion points for your dispute at Crystal radio receiver. Kuru talk 23:02, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, Kuru, your statement is correct. You are right about my first link attempts. I was wrong. About adding to the article, I don't see anything to add to the crystal radio article. I added a great deal to the article on "Transistor Radios," repairing many major errors a few months back. You can see those in the history (January 3--I didn't have a user name at that point). About other places DV8 2XL has deleted my links: he has deleted them from that "transistor radios" article (further links and reading--I just put back the reading one but without a link. Probably DV8 2XL will delete that too). And he has deleted my link from the Wikipedia article "Walkman" to my "Radio of the Month" page dealing exclusively with the Walkman. I can't think of any other place I've put any links. I was going to put one on the Television article to my television "Radio of the Month" but I don't think I did. I remember thinking my link was too specialized for a general article on television. --Ewrobbel 23:37, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

The links that were placed in the other articles were more spam to your site and in clear violation of Policy. --DV8 2XL 23:49, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Whether my links are spam or not is the question. DV8 2XL's use of the prejudicial term "spam" begs the question. DV8 2XL is advised that his views are abundantly clear and is asked to refrain from prejudicial language and from intimidation and to allow others here to express their views. I very much want to hear them.--Ewrobbel 15:57, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Uninvolved 3rd party opinion: Could not be a more clear-cut case of link spam. Violates WP:EL #s 3, 4, 5, 8 & 9. If I saw it, I would nuke it immediately with justification. RadioKirk talk to me 16:14, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

RadioKirk, thank you for your input. I hear you and have read the material you cite. Perhaps mentioning my two books on crystal radios under a "Reading" heading would be acceptable, if a direct link to my "Radio of the Month" page is not. I've added that Reading section and would appreciate your thoughts on whether this is OK. My books are self-published so there is no ISBN number and no way to get them except through my site. But I have not used a link because, if I understand your position correctly, linking to the place where my books can be purchased is against policy, even if the ISBN thing is not available as in the case of a self-published work. Do I understand you correctly? --Ewrobbel 19:09, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

In this case, I'll defer to someone more knowledgeable; my first thought would be, simply listing the book would not be a problem if you can demonstrate that you're a recognized expert in the field (that's usually a requirement for a listing with an ISBN number, as well), since that would then require the reader to do his/her own research into finding the book. Unfortunately, real-world, you're still better served finding a publisher anyway. Best to you! RadioKirk talk to me 19:17, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

GFDL question[edit]

Seabhcan has copied and pasted Collapse of the World Trade Center into his userspace as User:Seabhcan/Collapse of the World Trade Center. It seems to me that, by separating the edit history from the content, the new page violates the GFDL. Is that the case, or am I just being difficult? Is it okay as long as it stays in user space? It seems like the GFDL could be satisfied by adding a link back to the main article. There's some discussion as well at User talk:Seabhcan/Collapse of the World Trade Center. Tom Harrison Talk 21:49, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

My understanding of policy on Userpages is that "work in progress" pages are permitted. Seabhcán 22:01, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Your understanding doesn't apply if he plans on copying and pasting any changes he makes back into the article, expecially (sic) if there have been further changes made since he copied it into his user space. User:Zoe|(talk) 23:52, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Zoe, I'm not sure I understand what you mean. My concern is that the page in Seabhcán's userspace, as it is now, does not credit its authors as the license requires. Is there another issue instead/as well? Tom Harrison Talk 00:30, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Of course I won't do that. Seabhcán 00:12, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Did I misunderstand your remarks [11] where you say, "Thats a good idea too. Why don't we do it here?" Tom Harrison Talk 03:17, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
The GFDL issue is a big deal if the intention is to rework the article in userspace and then copy and paste it into the main article, especially if there are quantifiable changes made in the main article. My complaint certers on the fact that consensus wasn't reached in the main article, so the article was copied and userfied to try and superscede concensus. Absolutely egregious admin should know better.--MONGO 06:49, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
I don't understand how copying and pasting the changes back into the article matters, as when he pastes them back in his changes will be logged. I'm also quite confused about your comment that it's especially so if major changes are made in the article. I don't see how this is any more a GFDL violation than copying the article into an offline text editor and copying pieces of that back in. If your concern is that the authors aren't cited, then that's hardly insurmountable: provide a link to the article's history or copy the history into the talk page (which is what we do when we update our help pages from Meta). Snoutwood (tóg) 06:06, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
This editor attempted to insert items in said article and was rebuffed by the concensus of editors there. He then moved it to his userspace. The article is a constant source of attempts to insert unscientific "evidence" and unproven allegations with the cry of NPOV, when in fact, citing such innuendos is an egregious violation of NPOV.--MONGO 06:33, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
Got it. So it's not a GFDL question, it's a NPOV question. Snoutwood (tóg) 06:40, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
I contest it as a POV fork issue...Tom Harrison was, mainly asking the question, about whether it violates the GFDL. Either way, since the concensus there seemed to be against inclusion of some of the items he questioned, and the article discussion page is constantly being bombarded with commentary that has no supporting documetation, much like a blog, it is a contentious article, and things really should be hammered out on the discusion page. Had it been an article that wasn't always being reverted etc., it would be a lot easier to contrue the movement to userspace as a good faith effort to truly build a NPOV article.--MONGO 06:48, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
My intention is to work with the article and then link it to the original talk page and ask for comments. I have done this several times in the past, notably with "Metrication", which is now FA. Seabhcán 10:18, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Editor...Administrator Seabhcán has now commenced engaging in personal attacks: [12]--MONGO 12:28, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
For those who don't know, Mongo and I have been engaged in an edit war over the use of references, fact and opinion on articles related to the 9/11 attacks. Mongo has now seen fit to broaden the conflict to this page. For anyone thats interested, I can counter his diff above with this and this. But this is really getting childish, isn't Mongo? Lets keep out fights to the approapiate talk pages. Seabhcán 20:45, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Re:Metrication I think it's worth noting that when you did that there was an objection and you were reverted because of the attribution credit that the GFDL requires, the editor then overwrote the old version. [13] I don't see how that is an option here considering that there is disagreement about what (if any) changes should be made. It looks to me like a plain old POV fork. Rx StrangeLove 05:52, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
That was not a question of content, but question of whether a page move or a copy-and-paste was appropriate. That user decided that copy-and-paste was better. Tom Harrison thinks that it is not. In any case, for the sake of peace and a quiet life, I have blanked the page and I will edit from scratch.Seabhcán 17:23, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Seabhcán has blanked the page; I appreciate his willingness to compromise on something he feels strongly about. Tom Harrison Talk 15:01, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

User:BatBoyBats1000, User:Tomorrow Is For Losers, User:I Love Adam Sandler[edit]

I realize this is a bit unusual but Im asking you to block these names (all my sockpuppets) because I did irreperable damage to the Snakes of River Bend, Mississippi page through edits containing my childish vandalism. They say confession is good for the soul, so I hope this worksHey!! 01:18, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Um... none of those user accounts seem to exist, nor the article you claim to have vandalized, nor the town of River Bend, Mississippi. -GTBacchus(talk) 01:31, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
I've indef blocked this user as another instance of the odd AN:I troll. --InShaneee 18:56, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Rural_Hall [edit]

I have permablocked Rural Hall (talk · contribs), who has been spending today adding the NCV tag to loads of User pages. These are this user's only edits. User:Zoe|(talk) 01:56, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

  • Also note that the user's first edit was changing NCV's LTA page from severity "moderate" to "high." --Rory096 01:58, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
    • I'm pretty sure User:Tobaccoville, who joined just after you blocked Rural Hall, is him also. --Rory096 02:04, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
      • But he's adding the tag to user pages of people who indeed have been permablocked for vandalism, mainly the Communism vandal. I thought it a bit puzzling when I noticed it, but I didn't think he was doing any harm. —BorgHunter ubx (talk) 03:44, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
        • He's a brand new user, and he has no verification that these people are really the sockpuppets that he says they are. User:Zoe|(talk) 03:46, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
          • That's the North Carolina vandal himself: he loves to brag about his vandalism sprees and tag his own sockpuppets. Block at will. I'm thinking we should remove his trophy cabinet, i.e. the list of sockpuppets on Wikipedia:Long term abuse/North Carolina vandal. Antandrus (talk) 03:52, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
            • I would have no problem with that, nor with removing the NCV template. User:Zoe|(talk) 03:56, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
              • You guys should look at WP:DENY. --Rory096 08:43, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
                • Thanks! I knew I'd seen that page, but could not remember what it was called. That's exactly the point. Antandrus (talk) 14:57, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Sigh... all of these (Rural Hall, Tobaccoville, etc.) are towns nearby Winston-Salem, North Carolina, where I live. If I ever see this guy on Wikipedia in a local library, I'm gonna kick him. Tijuana Brass¡Épa!-E@ 09:03, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Jack Hyles and copyrights[edit]

Please visit the talk and through in your two cents. User is claiming copyright violation to get criticism removed. He does not assert to be the copyright owner nor does he have proof that it is a copyright violation. Arbusto 03:23, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

It sounds like mostly trolling IMHO, especially since the user claims that there's no proof that the mp3's aren't 'faithful reproductions of the original broadcast'. --InShaneee 17:26, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
How could you call an MP3 copy of a TV network news broadcast that is hosted on a personal Website a reliable source? I already know the answer is, "You can't," and I know that many Wikipedia editors don't know that. However, you could contact someone with high credentials in document reliability--at least a high school English teacher--and find out the answer. Please, go ask the Dean of your local college's English Department how reliable a source those MP3s are. I would love to hear about the University that would accept such material for its own courses. Pooua 04:27, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Requesting immediate action[edit]

Due to new threats left on my talk page and other locations[14] and "outing" of my real life identity[15][16], I request that immediate action be taken agains Israelbeach (talk · contribs). I caution Israelbeach that if he should make any attempt to contact me in the real world outside of Wikipedia, I will take the necessary legal action to protect myself. I am taking the matter up to arbitration, and as of now relinquish my duties as sysop and will no longer be making any non-related contributions to Wikipedia until the matter of Israelbeach is resolved. --Woggly 06:14, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

I second the call for immediate action. I did chastise Israelbeach for posting the information, and he kinda-halfway removed it while announcing to the world where it could be found; I was lenient only because I've been involved (I've confirmed Woggly's RFC against him and gave some advice on its content), otherwise I'd have blocked him immediately for disruption and harassment. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 06:51, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Blocked indefinitely, pending an apology and Woggly's acceptance of that apology. I'm in the process of deleting the revisions now. --bainer (talk) 06:53, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
I support this action. ←Humus sapiens ну? 07:14, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm imposing another block over the top of this one, for violation of WP:NLT: [17]. The block is indefinite while legal threats are outstanding. --bainer (talk) 09:47, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

3RR at Memon and Lohana =[edit]

The has been reverting Memon and Lohana pages. Siddiqui 15:57, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Please see WP:AN3 Admrb♉ltz (tclog) 00:29, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Copyright violations and article stuffing by User:Dhwani1989[edit]

Please help. This user appears to be a sock or political operative. A review of Dhwani1989's edits makes clear a pattern of CopyVio issues. See User:Dhwani1989 talk page history - deleting warnings left and right. What can be done? Merecat 21:01, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

He hasn't done anything since he was warned that he may be blocked. If he does neutralise him.Geni 23:02, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
I've blocked him. If anyone wants to play the good cop see his talk page.Geni 01:52, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
block pulled. He's said he isn't going to upload any more images.Geni 02:33, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of article[edit]


After numerous people have been urging me to post my biographical details on Wikipedia, I did so in a factual way. It got a notice for deletion, because of a vanity issue. However, I am internationally known, have innumerable accomplishments, and it is easy to verify by doing a google search under my name. I just put down details in a factual way. It was not so much as a vanity piece, as much as since I am well known (more so than a number of people listed) that if a posting were to be made, that I could at least insure that it was factually correct, and both interesting and insightful.

Yours sincerely,

Al Seckel

You can look up my page that I posted, and you can check it out by doing a google search under my name which will bring up literally pages and pages of references to me.

Thanks again.

you can reach me at: (email excluded)

I removed the tag for you, that is the way to contest a prod deletion. Note that the page might be put through AfD still. Prodego talk 01:08, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Block request[edit]

Could someone have a look at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Whaleto and Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Whaleto?

This RFC is winding down toward a request for blocking User:Whaleto on grounds including long-running incivility, breach of WP:AGF, and personal attacks (including attacks hosted off-wiki at his own website).

Pertinent policy: WP:BP 1.6 Wikipedia:Blocking policy#Disruption and WP:BP 1.10: Wikipedia:Blocking policy#Users who exhaust the community's patience. Tearlach 01:14, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Admin: Please note this is a hot RfC that this is now attempting to pre-empt a stepwise process jumpting to a messy end. The policy cited is very new. I am an independent 3rd party in the RfC trying to stop a running fight from becoming a war where there are several larger Wiki issues at stake, with an outside hope of winding to a constructive answer rather than just amputation at the neck. I request that you spend a good several hours researching, looking at this mess before acting prematurely. The requestor above is a long active disputant (see Tearlach and Midgely).-- 01:57, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

  • Don't know anything about the issue itself, but I'm not sure where your statement the Policy cited is very new comes from. It isn't, hopefully it doesn't take much common sense to realise why using blocks to prevent people disrupting wikipedia is quite normal. However RFCs are requests for comments they aren't able to directly impose bans etc. --pgk(talk) 08:58, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

A partisan "bums rush" to block started with discovery of very recent additions to Wiki policies, still poorly evolved/defined/tested, about commentary, "attacks" if you will, in external websites, when some of us are still trying to salvage collaboration with the individual, who is currently not very active beyond several user/talk/RfC edits a day. There is a more fundamental set of issues underneath about minority contributors and the situation is very fragile and missteps will be detrimental to a number of editors. I think the RfC should conclude in several days and try to resolve a number of issues including other parties affected without the "nuclear option" just inflaming the situation. Alienation could only make the situation worse and the relevant policy needs maturation and definition. Actually I think the new policy on external commentary really needs its own RfC just to improve the definition of rights, as well as responsiblity. Thanks for your patient attention.-- 10:49, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

I've misunderstood how the system works, then. The intro to WP:BP implies that anyone can apply for a block if policies are being violated: All users may post block requests at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents or the other venues listed below. This can result in quick action where credible evidence of policy violations is provided. However, admins are never obligated to place a block.'s argument comes down to special pleading: asking that a serial violator of multiple policies be tolerated, on grounds that he behaves this way because everyone is krool to him because of his minority viewpoint. This is not the case: we're talking about someone who appears incapable of posting without insults, personal attacks and claims of bad faith. Tearlach 11:06, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
Partly depends on how egregious one thinks more numerous counterparties cumulative behavior is. (I have not been involved with these parties before this RfC 11 days ago but have been generally aware of the problems several months). I simply think that the RfC process needs to complete without external disruption and if given the chance to work it out, that there is a real possibility of substantial improvement. Other editors, with polar points of view and some pretty aggressive actions, subject of discussion in other RfCs, are apparently eager for a conveniently long/permanent block/ban on the individual, taking kill shots if you will (too bad, you're dead - no retrial needed), also helps maintain superior numbers. I know because I'm having to soak up the damage right now even though I am greatly overmatched on experience and numbers.-- 11:45, 1 May 2006 (UTC)


I have blocked ShuhornOplenty8 (talk · contribs) for one week. He/she has repeatedly uploaded copyrighted images without any copyright information, has repeatedly ignored pleas on his talk page, and when I gave him a last warning, instead of complying, he blanked his Talk page and continued uploading. User:Zoe|(talk) 02:06, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Maryland page[edit]

I have a newbie who does not understand sourcing or NPOV policies on wikipedia. She is User:Joan53. She has been consistently reverting good faith edits on the Maryland wikipedia page....note her contributions and subsequent arguing on other entries. She needs to understand the rules and also calm down. Her agenda is obvious and agendas/bias of any kind has no place here. She does not deal in verifiable info or facts in general. WillC 02:25, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Telling her that you "yawn in (her) general direction" is not exactly the sort of thing that helps a new editor feel like part of the community, which is what is going to need to happen if you want her to invest time into learning the policies of the project. It's true: for all of us, our first 100 edits were probably some of our worst. But be patient, and don't bite the newbies. And, incidentally, you've more than violated WP:3RR on Maryland: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. While telling others to stay in line with Wiki policies, please make sure you do so yourself. JDoorjam Talk 03:39, 1 May 2006 (UTC)


Chattyman890 (talkcontribs)- vandalism only account. Recently vandalised Adolf Hitler with this. User has been warned several times. I'm just wondering whether people would support an indefinite block on this user... I'm new to blocking, and don't want to go indefinite blocking a user only to find that I shouldn't have done it. Advice, anyone? --Darth Deskana (talk page) 15:00, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

  • Well, I'm not new at it, so I did it. I have no idea what official policy is in this regard, but registered accounts that do nothing but vandalize get indefinite blocks from me. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 15:36, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
Cheers. --Darth Deskana (talk page) 15:38, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Reporting such cases to WP:AIV instead is strongly recommended. Cheers! - Mailer Diablo 16:37, 1 May 2006 (UTC)


I blocked Thewolfstar for 24 hours for this, one in a long line of insults (mostly to Bishonen, although others have been attacked as well.) Block was requested to be lifted, I denied, and now Thewolfstar has posted some less-than-friendly comments ("you nasty socialist-nazi admins and editors are making a real mistake. This is not a threat. This a statement of fact.") on her user talk page. I invite other admins and editors to take a quick look at her edit history and talk page. It has been suggested that she needs mentoring, not blocking. My inclination is to extend the block for further personal attacks, but as one of the "nasty socialist-nazi admins" I might be considered biased. I am not recusing myself from further action, but I do invite examination, comment, and if applicable, constructive criticism and/or input. KillerChihuahua?!? 00:27, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Would support extending block. NSLE (T+C) at 01:41 UTC (2006-04-26)
Definitely not a nasty socialist-nazi, I would also agree with a bit longer block. Although, blocks are not meant to be punitive, but rather to prevent damage. So the real question is, what would be the reason for the block? Is Thewolfstar likely to continue his attacks? I'd say let this 24 hours go, and if he continues, slam him hard. --LV (Dark Mark) 01:53, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Had an encounter just yesterday with the wolfstar and thought it ended well enough...but why pick a fight with Bishonen? I support the block.--MONGO 02:18, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I concur, blocks are not meant to be punative, however often they are used as a "cooling off" or "time-out" period, and she shows no signs of cooling off. Does anyone feel mentoring would be effective? KillerChihuahua?!? 03:53, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
I think the user is tremendously not nice. At the very best, this is a person who has been nothing but "thecabalisagainstme" sort. The only thing is that we probably need to be doing RfAR, as NPA is not blocking policy. (N.b. the user vandalized my page with a paranoid screed, as well, and this when I had never interacted with her/him before.) Geogre 10:48, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
Please see WP:BP#Disruption: "excessive personal attacks" are specifically mentioned. I feel this user's level of personal attacks falls well within the "excessive" criteria. KillerChihuahua?!? 12:21, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
<shrug> I'm far more conservative about it and worry more and more about blocks coming from our discretion. Again, I totally agree that this person is a pest and almost certainly inappropriate for Wikipedia. I even share the suspicions that this is a reincarnation of a blocked user. I just think we should, at the very least, be filing RfAR's at the same time that we do these things. If ArbCom is overworked, we need to address that issue separately. (Yeah, I'm a PitA idealist on these things, I know.) Geogre 13:12, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
Idealism certainly has its place. (So do PitAs.) IMHO, either Thewolfstar will learn to apply civility in interactions with other editors, in which case, ipso facto, there is no problem, or she does not, in which case we can certainly try the usual steps in dispute resolution, if there is any support for that idea at that time. Support may be overwhelmingly for other measures, if she continues. If you have a specific banned user in mind, ipcheck might not be a bad idea. KillerChihuahua?!? 13:20, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I just reverted a blatant personal attack from Thewolfstar against Bishonen (who he called Bitchownen), also he called smoeone else a nasty Nazi Fuck. [18] SWATJester Ready Aim Fire! 04:47, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

You mean [19] I think. Including "If they ban me and I can't get through to Jimbo I'm going to go to the media. I'll write an article about this place. I have some connections all over the place through my website. I'm going to blast this place right open to the world if they don't cut the crap....Go ahead you nasty nazi fucks I dare you. Ban me now." —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 04:54, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Please note that among the other worrisome comments, this user has also stated that the authors of an RfC, who wolfstar feels were 'destroying wikipedia', 'ought to be shot' [20]. I urge careful interaction with this user, whatever path the admins decide. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 04:55, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Something needs to be done about this NOW. This has every indication of getting worse. Look how he's treating his "mentor". SWATJester Ready Aim Fire! 05:11, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

The only good thing about this is that if he (or "she") actually owns a website, then it will be much easier to watch out for block evasions and investigate. The pattern of 1) saying that "socialism" is destroying the world, 2) everyone who disagrees with him (or "her") is a socialist, 3) asserting that socialists are out to suppress the truth (for which there is a small group of defenders) is strangely familiar to me. It's somewhat irrelevant, though, whether this is a reincarnation or a friend: the account really seems incapable of constructive work, as the political and paranoid get in the way of everything else. ArbCom is pretty much the only way forward, though. Geogre 12:00, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Just to add my two cents; I've tried to be a friend to Wolfstar since dropping her a line after seeing her name on a notice at the Esperanza Alert page. She's been quite friendly to me, but then, I've never been involved in any of the edit conflicts that she's been in as of late. Call it optimism, but I have hope that she'll eventually work her way into comfortable editing. Nonetheless, while I am fine playing the role of a friend and advocate, I don't really want to take sides either, especially when editors who I trust have been involved and feel that her conduct has been out of line. I'd just like to ask, as a favor, for a little extra patience and mercy on her behalf — not to be confused with tolerating rule violations, which should be dealt with promptly — and thank y'all for that which you've shown already. I appreciate the work you all have done. Tijuana Brass¡Épa!-E@ 12:16, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

For what it's worth, that's a reason I've wanted consideration by ArbCom. I'm afraid of users, even those like Wolfstar, thinking that their politics are why they're getting blocked. Obviously that wouldn't be the case here. It's this person's inability to deal with any disagreement without resorting to rage that's at stake. Users like that, regardless of contributions, aren't cut out for GFDL websites. They need ownership of edits and control over their own words, as the battle of competing claims seems to hit them in a psychological weak spot. I didn't come here to say that, though. I wanted merely to point out that Wolfstar has posted on Jimbo Wales's talk page and tried to explain his or her point of view there. Geogre 12:36, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
I've actually reconsidered my thoughts on this: Please don't take this as an insult, or having any negative connotations, but it appears that Thewolfstar is suffering from some sort of mental illness that causes her paranoia (everyone is out to get me), delusions of grandeur (comparison of treatment here to nazi prison camps), and rage against other users.
And therein lies the problem. I don't think it's Thewolfstar's intent nor fault that she's acting like this. From accounts of Merecat and Tijuana Brass, it appears that Thewolfstar, when stable, can be a good normal editor. The problem is, when something she contributes gets edited out for some reason, she's unable to see it rationally as the wikipedia system at work: in her mind it's truly an attack against her, censorship, and the breeding grounds for a socialist dictatorship. I don't know what to do about that. Obviously the personal attacks and such need to stop. But, blocking, and harsh words from the admins will only make matters worse in this case. I'm really beginning to fear that there are only two options: permanently blocking her from wikipedia, or ignoring the entire situation. Neither one of them appeals to me in the slightest, but my simple mind isn't coming up with anything else. I think Thewolfstar needs help, both on and off wikipedia. I very much admire Merecat for volunteering to provide it here, especially in the face of so much flak, that's an outstanding job. SWATJester Ready Aim Fire! 21:58, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
SWATjester, it's not a question of "fault" or assigning blame. Blaming the user is quite irrelevant, but Wikipedia is not therapy. What is her effect on the encyclopedia? There's no need to go any long way round via other people's "accounts" to see that, as Thewolfstar's own contributions are only a mouseclick away. Have you tried reviewing them, looking for good normal edits, or any edits acceptable in an encyclopedia? Good luck. Or are you saying that even though she's never acted like "a good normal editor" on Wikipedia, Merecat and Tijuana Brass possess information that she might do so? Please clarify. Bishonen | talk 00:23, 28 April 2006 (UTC).
Bishonen, I reviewed all of Thewolfstar's contribs a couple days ago. I think I can count on 1-hand the ones that weren't somehow related to personal attacks, incivility etc. What I'm saying, is that I'm looking at WHY thewolfstar is acting this way, and I keep coming to the conclusion that she can't help it. Raging troll users don't go 180 bipolar between calmly talking with someone, and rampaging against the system. What I'm saying is, I think that Thewolfstar started out not knowing about wikipedia policy. She then makes some edits that earn her a warning. Boom. That triggers it. At this point, the irrationality kicks in, and she flips out. My point is that I don't think the flipping out was a conscious decision to do so: I think she fully and completely believes that there is a cabal out to get her, censor her, and other conspiracies. Did you look at that external site? Just judging from that, it looks like she probably thinks the government is out to get her. So she misconstrues the warnings she gets, takes the wrong actions and starts flaming/personal attacks, gets more warnings, and freaks out more. It just starts a vicious cycle. Now, what I meant with my comments above, is that I don't see the solution. You're asolutely right, nobody needs to be assigned blame here, but something does need to be done to prevent any nuclear explosions coming out in the future. So what is that going to be? Continued mentoring? Call me a pessimist, but I don't think it would work. Continued Blocking? I don't think that addresses the problem, and would be overly heavy handed. I know that I have no power to do anything, communities decision, etc. etc. I'm just saying that I've been thinking about it all day, and I just don't see any solution that both stops the personal attacks, and doesn't drive away a potentially good editor. Nobody should have to put up with the crap that Thewolfstar is giving you Bish, I'll be the first one to defend you as a top notch editor and a first rate admin. But flat out banning Thewolfstar, when it appears that she's trying to contribute, and being hampered by internal forces beyond her control (her own paranoia)...that just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I could be totally wrong: Thewolfstar could be perfectly fine and just a troll. But if you look at it as objectively as you can, does it seem to you a little bit like she's not in control of her own mental state? SWATJester Ready Aim Fire! 03:47, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I just meant please clarify the bit I commented on, "From accounts of Merecat and Tijuana Brass, it appears that Thewolfstar, when stable, can be a good normal editor." I don't understand why you think so. Bishonen | talk 07:16, 28 April 2006 (UTC).
Swat, while I agree with some of what you're saying, I don't think that Wolfstar has a mental problem. Having spent my undergrad years as a political science major, I got to know a number of people who were pretty zealous about their political ideologies. Wolfstar is one of those folks, I think — very passionate about what she believes. When that was combined with a bad start at Wikipedia, and an unawareness of policies, it turned ugly. That's not to say that there's ever an excuse for personal attacks, etc., but I can see a new user mistaking Wikipedia for something more akin to a blog or message board, where that kind of thing is more commonplace. Bish and Geogre are right in saying that her recent edits have been entirely devoted to user talks, but there's always two parties to a conflict, and perhaps continuing to berate her (combined with some honest mistakes in unblocking her) isn't helping much. But, with so many users monitoring her by now, I don't see much harm that could be done in offering her another shot to focus on articles, rather than her talk page, to see how it goes. If it turns bad again, I agree with Geogre, GFDL may not be her bag. Tijuana Brass¡Épa!-E@ 05:53, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Prometheuspan 22:55, 1 May 2006 (UTC) Paranoid. Delusional. Abusive. Threats. Legal Threats. The thing that blows my mind the most about wikipedians is how long they deliberate over the obvious. "Maggie" is a SHE. We should add; possibly sciztophrenic, and, probably not susceptible to "mentoring."

Edit Protect on HoY[edit]

  • Can House of Yahweh please be semi-protected? A bunch of anon IPs continue to re-add the same PoV diatribe into the article regardless of how many times we revert. Thanks - pm_shef 01:03, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Not sure if it's neccisarily POV, but it does appear to be unverified and there's no real attempt at discussion on the anon's part. Semi-protected for the time being. --InShaneee 16:55, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
For future reference, requests for protection should go to WP:RfPP. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 20:14, 1 May 2006 (UTC)


Linkspam violation on article Rosary (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views).

Brought to you by the fine people at fisheaters, the one time prolific linkspammer. I found someone had added an Anglican commercial site. A frequent blanker removed the link. I readded it, since it wasn't a problem for one commercial link and they kept calling it MY link. I ignored it, some people look for any reason to troll until I found one of the blankers made this very complaint. My RFC that was filed in response to the one I filed on the fisheaters website owner would give you more insight into this sick sad tale. Dominick (TALK) 19:25, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, looks like a case of sour grapes. But that link is undoubtedly commercial and I would not include it myself even though I see no obvious alternative source of images of Anglican rosaries. Just zis Guy you know? 21:01, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Yes thats why I left it. Thanks Guy! Dominick (TALK) 00:45, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Blocked before, still floods history logs[edit] (talkcontribs) Nothing but vandalism, but not enough at once to get the AiVs attention. Posts things like "poop" and reverts them for half an hour. Got me to warn an innocent anon with a similar IP today. Very annoying. Does he/she (who am I kidding, girls have better things to do) qualify for a perma-block? --Chodorkovskiy (talk) 18:12, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

This IP has been blocked 3 times before, since it appears to be a static and non shared IP I'd suggest a one week block to stem the tide in which time hopefully the person behind it will start contributing usefully. Pegasus1138Talk | Contribs | Email ---- 19:57, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
Fourth time's a charm... --Chodorkovskiy (talk) 14:08, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Indefinitely blocked user evading block[edit] (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log), indefinitely blocked by request of the ArbCom is editing pages under the IP (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log) (evidence: [21]). Can an administrator impose a block please? Thanks! Demiurge 19:18, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

User:Laranja has repeatedly created empty articles[edit]

They created articles with similar names, adding another exclamation mark to the article name for each new one.

  1. 21:20, 1 May 2006 Orange on wheels!!!!!!!!! (65 bytes) . . Laranja (Talk | contribs) (ORANGE ON WHEELS!)


  1. 21:20, 1 May 2006 Orange on wheels!! (65 bytes) . . Laranja (Talk | contribs) (ORANGE ON WHEELS!) --BNutzer 20:35, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

User:Deb has already dealt with it. :) RadioKirk talk to me 20:42, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
just a note: the name Laranja catches my eye as L'Aranja, or The Orange, in any number of romance languages. You may want to be on the lookout for -orange-related articles, from similar users. SWATJester Ready Aim Fire! 23:10, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
*smacks forehead* Oh, duh! How'd I miss that?! RadioKirk talk to me 23:15, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Fresh call for Arbitration enforcement[edit]

Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Arbitration_enforcement#User:Instantnood_.28May_1.29 This link details a fresh set of disruptive editing by User:Instantnood in violation of his Arbitration Committee sanctions. An admin should go take a look. Thanks. SchmuckyTheCat 00:37, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Cairo University repeatedly vandalized[edit]

Someone has repeatedly removed information on Saddam Hussein and Mohamed Atta from this site. I have left warnings (see [22] for a log of my actions), but since it hasn't been the same IP address twice, I don't know what to do. Oh, and someone from a similar IP address (I think they're all from Africa) vandalized my user page. [23] Jessesamuel 07:13, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Just keep reverting them. I've watchlisted the article myself so you won't be alone. If many IPs attack an article in a short space of time (like a day) it can be semi-protected, but the article isn't close to that point. --Sam Blanning(talk) 16:11, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Admin abuse: User:Bhadani[edit]

User:Hamsacharya dan filed a false 3RR report [24] which does not fit the criteria for a 3RR violation. Next, User:Bhadani, who is involved in a disagreement with User:Hanuman Das on another article Gurunath [25] and should have let another admin deal with the complaint, blocked User:Hanuman Das for a week, even though the complaint is invalid [26] and even if it were valid would be a first offence and not worthy of a week block. Please investigate and unblock. Also, there is a valid 3RR complaint agaist User:Hamsacharya dan here [27]. User:Bhadani's statements on the two complaints show that he is taking sides based on content rather than applying rules fairly. Thanks. — 15:52, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Racist comments posted temporarily on article "Nigger"[edit]

I saw on the "Nigger" article there was an offensive comment posted by user:

See [28]

The user changed the opening line "Niggers, also spelled niger (obs.), nigor (obs. dial. Eng.) ..." to "Ass slamming Niggers have big cocks , also spelled niger (obs.), nigor (obs. dial. Eng.) ..." and then reverted the change 20 minutes later.

Regards, Alex

By most standards "Xs are well endowed and are on the giving end of anal sex" is a compliment, though the choice of article does confuse it somewhat. The user reverted his own edit (apart from forgetting to remove the 's' from the opening 'nigger'), so I've left {{selftest}} on his talk page. --Sam Blanning(talk) 16:03, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Blocked User Circumventing Blocks[edit]

Braaad (talk · contribs) has been indefinitely blocked by Guanaco for vandalism, abusive edits and sock puppetry. Currently he is using (talk · contribs) and possibly another sock puppet with Lady Jane Grey (talk · contribs) (I have a week-old CheckUser request to find out...). See his RfC at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Braaad as well as the edits made by his sock puppets:

Thanks. McNeight 16:21, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

User: was unblocked by User:Pgk as "collateral damage" and hasn't made an edit for a week. User: has not made an edit since 19 December 2005. "Banned user evading block" aside, may I ask if there's a pressing issue that I didn't see that suggests something problematic with waiting for the WP:RCU? RadioKirk talk to me 16:50, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Specifically pressing? No. The fact that one user has been allowed to continue to be abusive towards other users and administrators (specifically, in this case, towards Jeffery O. Gustafson, Pgk, as well as additional stress for User:Pilotguy and User:Titoxd while trying to deal with this person) just irks me. Add to that the fact that this person only pops up from under a rock on occasion, and depends on the sloth of the Wikipedia dispute resolution process to do "hit and run" abuse just adds to the frustration. Wait all you want to, but he'll be back with yet another sock and more abuse to be heaped upon some other unsuspecting administrator. McNeight 18:51, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
By all appearances, User:Lady Jane Grey needs patience and civility, but the sum total of evidence that I can find suggesting the user is a sockpuppet of user:Braaad is the original block itself, reversed later as "collateral damage". Unless you have diffs that can show me what I'm missing, it seems to me that any remedy should come via the unblocking admin, not here. RadioKirk talk to me 19:36, 2 May 2006 (UTC).
Without the benefit of a CheckUser, I am going on my "gut", however:
  • The first edit from (talk · contribs) involved the RfC against Braaad.
  • The first edit from Lady Jane Grey (talk · contribs) was 2 days after the other sock puppets were banned.
  • LJG shares a fascination with userboxes, flags and Vincent van Gogh that the rest of Braaad's sock puppets have shown ([29], [30], [31] [32])
  • All users in question have never made a useful contribution to Wikipedia. They'll sit and polish their user page, maybe upload an image or two, but never seem to get around to editing an actual article. You can check the contributions for all involved for proof.
  • Braaad (talk · contribs) does still use the IP address in question, otherwise he wouldn't have posted this.
So, I'm attempting to follow WP policies on reporting abuse without going rogue or violating WP:POINT. Do what you will. McNeight 20:40, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the diffs. I've left a note for User:Pgk; hope this will do. :) RadioKirk talk to me 21:15, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Sima Qian[edit] (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log) has been insisting on an edit at Sima Qian (and a similar edit at Laozi) which rejects modern scholarship in favour of ancient sources. Nlu (talk · contribs) has stepped in and protected the article after the anon's last edit, which was this — deleting the whole of the second part of the article together with all readings, references, external links, categories, interwikis, etc. Nlu seems to have abandoned the article, leaving it protected. Would it be unacceptable for me to revert, given the vandalistic edit that's been frozen in place? If it would, could someone else do so, or unprotect the article so that I can do it? --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 21:25, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree that's vandalism, and have saved you the trouble. :) HenryFlower 22:10, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Trollery by User:BIG and IP[edit]

An odd fellow. Has been extremely disruptive on a article or two, paticularly Colonel (Mega Man) as of late. Has been blocked on occasion for vandalims and personal attacks, and seems to have a severe inability to comprehend consensus and established fact. When provided with sources, he ignores them completely, instead descending to personal attacks and other bits of silliness. Looking at his IP contributions depicts nothing but vandalism of the beforementioned article. After a bit of edit warring and page protection to cease the affair, he assumed the username of BIG (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log) to continue disruptive editting, not only limited to Colonel (Mega Man), but others as well [33]. Also needs a crash course in what vertible sources are acceptable at wikipedia. I've no doubt he is simply hardheaded, but is probably doing what he thinks is correct. Regardless, he's engaging in disruption and vandalism, and we don't permit this at wkipedia. -ZeroTalk 19:21, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, I had him blocked for 72 hours block log (after an original 24 hour block for 3RR), another admin blocked for 24, then unblocked, but forget to reblock now I have him blocked for 31 hours...I'll block for a month with community approval.--MONGO 20:03, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
He's recently just blanked his talkpage [34] of notices and the like. I presume it's clear by now he has no wish to follow policy and carry himself in a acceptable manner. -ZeroTalk 23:07, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Mongo, I'd say go for the month-block. He hasn't contributed anything worthwhile, and I know I at least am tired of him. --maru (talk) contribs 00:37, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Damned by his own words [35] [36]. -ZeroTalk 11:36, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
  • As of this update, user has been making minor abielt constructive edits [37]. No need to go any furthur on this issue. -ZeroTalk 16:40, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Israelbeach Vs. Woggly[edit]

In the past 24 hours there has been an escalation in the war of the words between user:Israelbeach and user:Woggly. Woggly who never apologized for her personal attacks against Israelbeach was never addressed or blocked for these attacks by the administrators. In fact, she has been attacking Israelbeach, whose identity is for all to see, from an anonymous position. Not very fair or ethical!

Israelbeach, in turn, revealed Woggly's identity, something he was wrong for doing. According to Wiki policy: "This sort of behavior is blockable on its own (for example, moving another user's User Talk page), but should be considered an aggravating factor for the purposes of the block. For example, behavior that would earn a 1 day ban might become a 1 week ban if the Administrator believes the behavior was for the purposes of harassment. The block should only be enforced after warning the user and these pleas go ignored."

Israelbeach was warned by user:jpgordon and according to the logs deleted all material within minutes. Israelbeach should not have been blocked according to Wiki policy as he never ignored any warnings by adm but reacted quickly to them.

Woggly is now rightfully worried about legal action that Israelbeach can take against her for stating, without substance, that he was "dangerous" and other accusations made in front of his local community and the world public. She now appears to be leaving Wikipedia on her own.

Solution: Both Israelbeach and Woggly are professional editors and should be encouraged to stay with the Wiki project. The block on Israelbeach should be removed immediately, as it only serves to increase conflict. Remember, after a first warning, Israelbeach on his own removed all personal data even though he thought he was correct due to that personal information regarding Woggly was posted by Woggly with a direct link to Wikipedia that anyone can find on a simple Google search.

Both Israelbeach and Woggly should be warned with no punitive action taken and instructed not to interact with one another on Wikipedia. These are two professionals with tremendous pride - do not expect either to aplogize at this point. We must encourage both users to stay, to avoid court action (with the documentation that Israelbeach has on these clear personal attacks, no judge would deny Woggly's guilt) and keep Wikipedia operating with less negative news coverage.

I do not blame Woggly or Israelbeach for their now wanting to resign from Wikipedia, I place the blame solely on the desk of the administrators (with the exception of user:jpgordon) who could have taken action on the personal attacks which started this conflict. Woggly and Israelbeach are both assets to Wikipedia, all action should be taken to keep them here. I will be posting this message on my suggestion on how to resolve this matter on other pages. Nancetlv 13:02, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

  • You posted this like, 10 places or so? Please don't do that. Once was enough; twice was maybe OK. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 17:09, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Okay, good. This was getting totally ridiculous. El_C 05:53, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Just adding here that I unblocked CymruIsrael last night when he assured me he wasn't part of the other group. I've placed a condition on his remaining unblocked that he not edit the articles that caused the problem and not comment on Israelbeach or Woggly. SlimVirgin (talk) 01:18, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Peter Dale Scott copyright violation[edit]

So I tagged Peter Dale Scott as a copyvio a week ago.. it was pretty much an exact copy of Scott's official web page. User:Brainhell is the user who copied the page into Wikipedia. Despite the fact that diffs show his edit [38] was almost identical to Scott's page [39], Brainhell claims that his edit was "SUBSTANTIALLY different from Scott's page, in non-trivial ways", and therefore he now owns the copyright to his edit. In truth, he just switched around a few words. I've reached my limit with this user; he refuses to entertain the possibility that he may not understand how copyright works. Could someone else go over the discussion on Talk:Peter Dale Scott and talk to him please?

One thing you should know, another Wikipedian e-mailed Scott about his page's copyright. Scott responded by posting a noncommercial-only license on his page, which is still GFDL-incompatible. Brainhell doesn't understand this point either, and he now believes that Scott has relinquished his copyright entirely. Rhobite 04:07, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, the only way we can use any text verbatim is if it is in the public domain. Non-commercial licenses are not enough to satisfy Wikipedia's copyright policy, and unless we can get evidence that the page is released under the GFDL, a compatible free license, or in the public domain, we cannot copy it. It is a copyvio, whether it is plagiarized outright or just paraphrased it without citing the original source.
A further note: Wikipedians agree to release their contributions under the GFDL. There's even a nice link just below the edit window as a reminder. Titoxd(?!? - help us) 04:19, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
I already know that, I was wondering if someone else could talk to Brainhell. Rhobite 15:50, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
I won't, I'm afraid, because I've tried talking to this user before. He has demonstrated ... mmm... unusual inflexibility over the User:Lucky 6.9 business. Lucky left the project because of what he and some other people perceived as implacable persecution over a rather minor matter by Brainhell. Lucky's departure appears to please Brainhell, though he still worries about the fact that Lucky isn't deadminned as well. Many users tried to speak to Brainhell over that. My advice would be to not waste your breath, but go straight to the next step, whatever it may be (I haven't reviewed the actual page involved). Bishonen | talk 00:59, 3 May 2006 (UTC).

I expanded Peter Dale Scott/Temp a bit. I met Scott once, and heard him give a poetry reading; he's an extremely interesting guy, and someone one rather feels inclined to take seriously. Chick Bowen 03:11, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

It has been well over a week since the copyvio was posted. With multiple users, including myself, agreeing on the article's copyvio status, I have moved the temp page content into the article. Here's to being bold! — Scm83x hook 'em 03:40, 3 May 2006 (UTC)


Despite repeated warnings to stop, and a link to WP:CIVIL, a new user, Fluffy999 has proceeded to post personal abuse against User:Damac, a long-standing and credible contributor, including posting lies on personal users' pages about Damac's edits, accusing him of bogus edits, making personal attacks, more attacks, posting a comment with an edit summary of Damac the Blunderer strikes again, etc.

Appeals to Fluffy to stop just produces more agressive abuse. At this stage someone needs to intervene. I can't as I was involved in trying to correct some of Fluffy's dodgy edits. FearÉIREANNMap of Ireland's capitals.png\(caint) 20:56, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

fluffy eh? who else thought of this when they read this? Image:Killer_rabbit.JPG-- 22:08, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

The guy has completely out of control at this stage with his attacks. (None of us can for the life of us see what he is complaining about! He produces as "evidence" links that are empty or show the exact opposite of what he claims, then accuses Damac of lies, dishonesty, yada yada yada.) But his abuse of Damac got so severe that after issuing a number of warnings to stop I ended up blocking him. The guy has a serious problem. Whether he is a troll or merely someone with a mental illness that impaired his judgment is up to guesswork — though my gut feeling was the former — but Damac did nothing to deserve all the personal attacks and diatribes. I would have left the blocking to someone else if I could find them but I couldn't find an admin and something needed to be done immediately. FearÉIREANNMap of Ireland's capitals.png\(caint) 23:23, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

I'd fully support an indefinite block considering the repeated attacks and abuse from this "fluffy". It's definitely warranted and WP:AGF only goes so far when this user is blatantly trolling another user and abusing other editors despite repeated attempts to work with him/her and work with him/her. Pegasus1138Talk | Contribs | Email ---- 01:55, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Disagree with indefinite block right now, has only been blocked once before and that only for 24 hours. Give him a longer block, but is not yet up to the point for an indefinite block. JoshuaZ 02:01, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism[edit]

Where are you guys??! - Glen TC (Stollery) 13:44, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Please help! - Glen TC (Stollery) 14:07, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
context?-- 15:41, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
The list is already empty. There are people watching it and taking care of it regularly.--Kungfu Adam (talk) 15:49, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
I've seen quite a few of these sort of post here recently. Maybe it would be better to just null edit AIV with an edit summary of "BACKLOG" or similar to knock it up admins watchlists. I know sometimes if I'm doing non-vandal fighting work on Wikipedia I'll normally try and ignore AIV if it's just the odd report that is being handled quickly by admins on RC patrol, but I'd happily jump in if there was a large backlog that hadn't received any attention. Petros471 17:32, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Temporarily blocked user Ndru01 evading block[edit]

User:Ndru01 was blocked for 24h: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RR#User:Ndru01, after breaking 3RR on one article and recreating deleted articles Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Modern gnostic mysticism and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Modern Gnosticism.

S/he has now recreated same content at Gnostic Infomysticism apparently using User:Infoandru01. --Cedderstk 20:35, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

I've userfied the article as it clearly falls under CSD G4 (recreation of deleted material). Also subject to anonymous editing from and (both Bell Canada). --Cedderstk 22:15, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

I've tagged the redirect page Gnostic Infomysticism, userfied by Cedders, for speedy deletion (CSD R2), since User:Infoandru01 keeps adding this link into user space to the article Gnosticism in modern times. LambiamTalk 11:17, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Continuing problems[edit]

The puppetry and such continue; see recent changes to Gnosticism in modern times. New user A9809234544 has recreated the article Modern Gnostic mysticism, formerly Gnostic Infomysticism, a protected deleted page. Meanwhile has inserted a wikilink into user space in article Gnosticism in modern times. This user signs "Ndru01" here: [40]. He/she/it also states there that "Human race on this planet has no future if the devil prevents the human mind from ascension." If you ask me, that sounds pretty serious; we don't want that to happen, do we? Then there is also new user User:Moonlight serenade. An army of droids, ready for a revert war, if you ask me (OK, you didn't, but I tell you). In any case, several users are acting inappropriately and in concert. LambiamTalk 01:26, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Indefinite block[edit]

I have indefinitely blocked another user, Jeremy77q (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log). Do you think this is a reasonable action, or was I being too harsh? - Mike Rosoft 23:02, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Maybe... only four edits? Perhaps a short 24 block would have been better. You could always turn it into an indefinite later... --Darth Deskana (talk page) 23:05, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Agreed—even three hours might do. With such a short history, it could have been someone at a friend's house with a few too many minutes on his hands. RadioKirk talk to me 23:27, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
All right, I have decreased the block length. I guess this is an approppriate time to report some of my earlier indefinite blocks: Monkeypuke (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log) for an inappropriate username (possibly related to Horsepoo (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log) - blocked by Redvers), and HORNDONLAINGS (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log) for being an abusive sockpuppet (clearly created to disrupt). - Mike Rosoft 00:04, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
My own thoughts: "Monkeypuke" is bad, but not horrible; consider asking the user to change it (only one edit, BTW, no history to gauge). Same with "Horsepoo" (possible vandal account, but only four edits; I'd say lift block, ask user to change name, and watch. RadioKirk talk to me 00:15, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
With due respect, I am not going to unblock User:Horsepoo; his history of uploading nonsense images for vandalism is evidence of it being a vandal account. As for User:Monkeypuke, I guess he can be unblocked and requested to change the username instead (that is, unless it can be verified that he has edited from the same IP address as Horsepoo), but I don't think he's coming back. - Mike Rosoft 00:48, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
My bad on User:Horsepoo, I forgot to look at the logs. As for User:Monkeypuke, I think we can WP:AGF for the moment. :) RadioKirk talk to me 00:54, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
All right, do what you will. (I hope at least User:HORNDONLAINGS was an obvious case for an indefinite block.) - Mike Rosoft 01:23, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
It was. Well done. :) RadioKirk talk to me 01:44, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

User:Leyasu and User:Deathrocker[edit]

These two users have been blocked for arguing and general incivility to personal attacks at each other, on my talk page. These two are currently parties in a arbitration request, and should be unblocked once the case has been opened. Will (E@) T 10:18, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Good call. I would have done the same myself, but for the fact that I also am loosely involved in the arbitration application. --Tony Sidaway 11:57, 3 May 2006 (UTC)


Despite my earlier announcement on Talk:Main Page, Template talk:Did you know is still a nasty backlog. The image Image:Golubkina photo.jpg has been hanging on Main Page for about two days now. Under the best circumstances, the template is updated once a day, not every six hours as it is supposed to be. The noms from April 27 are all stale now. We have a thousand admins and not a single one (excepting capable of regularly updating a Main Page template. What a disgrace! --Ghirla -трёп- 13:15, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Get some perspective. Some of us have 'this user enjoys vanilla icecream' userboxes to delete, you know. Anyway, I updated it. I'm not in the least bit surprised that no-one particularly wants to do it, I would sooner gouge my eyes out with a rusty spoon than post notices on all the article talk pages and the talk pages of the creators with a non-tabbed browser or a slow laptop. --Sam Blanning(talk) 23:33, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
I've suggested on Wikipedia talk:Did you know that the requirement to inform users on their talk pages of updates, which I found the most tedious and pointless part of the process, should be dropped. Comments are welcome. Especially if they agree with me. --Sam Blanning(talk) 23:42, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Article: Rainer Zitelmann[edit]

Not sure what to do about Rainer Zitelmann. I, too, got e-mail spam citing it, so I slapped some {cleanup} tags on the article. Since then, an anonymous editor has taken a different approach, but the article is even more useless now. Reverting to the second revision (13:30, 25 April 2006) might be the thing to do, as I get the impression that the changes by might be correlated with the activities of the spammer. —Steve Summit (talk) 14:11, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Osgoodelawyer (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log)[edit]

He's taken to wikistalking me. He goes through my contributions list, and reverts articles (or edits in other ways) I worked on that he otherwise probably wouldn't edit otherwise. Ardenn 17:25, 3 May 2006 (UTC)


This user seems to be engaged in devious vote stacking techniques. The user posted this script into my talk page: {{User talk:ChaplineRVine/hello-alt}} . I thought it may have been an attempt to get me to vote in an AfD ( Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rationales to impeach George W. Bush (2nd nomination) ) since he seemed to have done something sneaky like that a few days ago for a different AfD, according to complaint on his talk page when he put messages on talk pages to say hello but when you clicked on part of his signature it sent you to an AfD vote. [41] . This tag did something similar. --Strothra 20:08, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Morton devonshire (talk · contribs) appears to be doing the same thing. This AfD is going to get pretty loud, methinks. I'd recommend a lot of attention be paid by neutral admins toward maintaining civility and preventing personal attacks on what looks to be a pretty intense discussion. JDoorjam