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The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 23:43, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

McKay Murphy[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NGRIDIRON, non-notable FCS college football player who did not make an NFL roster last season. Eagles 24/7 (C) 23:41, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

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  • Delete his father is notable, he is not.John Pack Lambert (talk) 06:56, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Delete I found little in the way of significant coverage, most coverage is routine and based around transactions. Willsome429 (say hey or see my edits!) 13:30, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
  • delete Notability is not inherited. Fails WP:NGRIDIRON and lacks the coverage to meet the GNG.Sandals1 (talk) 14:39, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Delete Fails WP:NGRIDIRON as his career never advanced beyond training camp. Best, GPL93 (talk) 14:42, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
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The result was redirect to List of Chicago Bears players. Using the list as the target since redirects within the same namespace are more typical. RL0919 (talk) 23:45, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Chicago Bears all-time roster[edit]

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Identical content to that of List of Chicago Bears players. Eagles 24/7 (C) 23:36, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

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  • Redirect to Category:Chicago Bears players, which does all this without the need to maintain a page with human intervention. Nate (chatter) 04:24, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Redirect as above.TheLongTone (talk) 12:14, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Redirect there are "current" players on the page that haven't been on the roster since 2011. Willsome429 (say hey or see my edits!) 13:28, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
  • redirect Either redirect target is fine with me. This article adds no new information and lacks sources.Sandals1 (talk) 14:31, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
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The result was redirect to The Penny Dreadfuls. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:23, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

The Penny Dreadfuls Present...[edit]

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All of this information is now part of The Penny Dreadfuls. Additionally, it confuses The Brothers Faversham and The Penny Dreadfuls Present..., and I'm not sure they warrant two separate articles.Professionalecho (talk) 22:44, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

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  • Redirect to The Penny Dreadfuls where there is already and episode listing for "The Penny Dreadfuls Present..." - the radio program itself has no significant coverage in multiple, reliable secondary sources - in the article, two of the references are to listings and the one to Chortle is a press release of upcoming comedy shows - no evidence of inedpendent notability - Epinoia (talk) 02:31, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Redirect: per rationale of User:Epinoia. Otr500 (talk) 08:22, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:24, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

August Wesley (wrestler)[edit]

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Article should be deleted because the subject is not noteworthy enough to have an entry in an encyclopedia. The information is misleading and littered with puffery.

The two world team appearances mentioned in the introduction are veterans world teams which a reader only realizes if they get all the way down to the "International Award Winning Wrestler" section. He placed 8th and 10th at the World champtionships with an age restriction of 35-40 or 41-45 one of those. This is not notable enough for an entry in wikipedia. It is hardly notable enough for an article anywhere 4-7 years after the fact. Good luck finding the names of the 7 or 9 guys who were ranked ahead of him at this event. Most likely none have wikipedia pages and those that do have it for other accomplishments.

Getting considered for induction into the Sacramento Sports Hall of Fame but not inducted is not notable. Anyone can nominate someone and the state reason "the most decorated Greco Roman wrestler and coach ever to come from Sacramento" is highly dubious. Morris Johnson is from Sacramento and was among the top greco roman competitors in the country from 1981-1988 and placing not just competing in the Olympic trials. He doesn't have a wikipedia page.

If one goes down the list of Wesley's awards and look at others who won those distinctions (provided you can even find them) few if any will have wikipedia entries and those that do will be because they won much more significant competitions and awards.

The list of major international competitions are not major in any way. If they were they would be in the database on the UWW website [1] but there are no entries for August Wesley of these major international competitions. Anonymous editing as 75.103.228.94 (talk) 22:09, 11 September 2019 (UTC)


TTotal BS. "He has over 25 years coaching experience and has been selected 14 times to lead U.S. teams at international competition in 24 countries on five continents earning the Outstanding Coach's Award twice in Australia and Austria[3]" - He only has listed under coaching career international coaching positions on 3 continents (Europe, Asia, and Australia) and 13 countries at most. The organizations this was for World Sports Alliance and International Sports Specialists are not major organization (they don't have Wikipedia pages) nor are their events the most significant ones in the sport of wrestling. Those are run by UWW[2] formerly Fila.

The early years section contains information largely on other people like his cousin and son. It also spans until he was 32 years old and includes information on his son's accomplishments from a few years ago. Attending a world team camp is not notable if you aren't on the world team. He was "hand selected" because he didn't earn it by winning a spot on the world team. Being a member of the sunkist kids when they won 6 wrestling national championships is not significant. A member of the practice squad on the 2018 Clemson national championship team doesn't get a wikipedia page. Those photos have captions listing Olympians, NCAA all-Americans, world team members, world medalists and August Wesley winner of a AAU national qualifier tournament in 1996. There are a lot of other people in those photos not named in the captions August Wesley should be one of them. Full results from past US Senior Open Greco national championships are hard to find. They have place winners and partial results starting in 2001 on the USAW website. Full brackets from the more recent years are available online. It is likely going to very difficult to verify if he competed in that in 1995, 1996, 1998, 1999, 2000, and 2001, but it's an open anyone can enter just pay the fee. He wasn't among the place winners in 2001[3] which is the only year readily available.

Greco-Roman wrestling
1995 U.S. Winter Nationals, Colorado Springs, Colorado, USA - competing in a tournament and not placing is not notable unless maybe it was something bit like the Olympics.
1996 U.S. Olympics Trials, San Jose, California, USA - competing in but not winning or placing at the Olympics trials is not notable enough for a Wikipedia entry.

1999 Pat Shaw International, 5th place, Guatemala City - nothing in the reference shows he placed 5th. No one would lie about being 5th at this tournament because it isn't worth lying about it. It isn't big enough for the results to be anywhere online or in the UWW Database [4]

2000 U.S. National Greco-Roman Championships, DNP (76 kg) - US National Greco-Roman championships is an open tournament anyone paying the entry fee can enter. Not placing (DNP) at this tournament is in no way notable. Very difficult to verify this claim, but little reason to make it either. The 2019 event is an open tournament [5] and it was not subtantively different in 2000.

2000 U.S. Olympic Trials, Iowa, USA - same comments as the 1996 olympic trials.

2012 Veterans World Championships, 8th place (85 kg), Budapest, Hungary - He competed at the B age division of veterans world championships. B age division which is 35-43 year old competitors[6]. This event isn't taken that seriously. At the us veterans national greco-roman championships Wesley took 2nd out of three [7] to qualify for this. Veterans nationals is an open like the senior open - anyone can enter.

2015 UWW World Championships, 9th place, Athens, Greece - Wesley wrestle a single match at this even losing by tech fall [8]. Unlike in 2012 it doesn't look like he even had to place at the US Veterans nationals to qualify. The results show two wrestlers in the competition at his weight/age[9]. I imagine neither of those guys wanted to pay and travel to Athens so he was able to take their place.


Freestyle wrestling

1999 Pat Shaw International, 7th place, Guatemala City, Guatemala - same comments as the greco results for this.

2012 Veterans World Championships, 10th place, Budapest, Hungary - same comments as the greco result from this tournament with the addition that he did not complete at the US veterans nationals in this style[10]. I imagine that none of the 4 guys who did wanted to travel to Budapest (you pay your own way) and since he was going to greco he did both.

2015 UWW Veterans World Championships, 10th place, Athens, Greece - he wrestled a single match which he lost by pinfall[11]. Similar to greco it doesn't look like he needed to qualify as he didn't wrestle at veterans nationals[12] and was probably just filling a spot that otherwise would have been empty.

2015 Copa Sparta, San Juan, Puerto Rico - Not significant tournament to merit an page even if he won, but it seems like he is just saying he competed in it which is believable, but insignificant.

Coaching

The coaching achievement section reads like a resume. None are significant enough to warrant an entry. He was a high school head coach (San Juan High School) for three years then he was the assistant coach at Sierra College, a junior college[13](CCCAA), then a high school (Jesuit High School) for 5 years, followed by being the head coach at a club(NCWA[14]) program at Sacramento State University, and finally the head coach of the club (NCWA) wrestling program at Iowa state university. Nothing there is worth of inclusion. His teams were good, but not even a great NCWA (this is not a varsity sport at the college) coach has a wikipedia page. No assistant CCCAA coach has one. No somewhat above average head coach of a California high schools gets one. The NCWA coach of the year awards are one some level a nice achievement but many of these NCWA college club programs are student run with no coach and it wasn't like a national coach of the year distinction, but rather some region. Finally its unclear how much coaching he was doing for the college clubs as he was simultaneously the at Inderkum High School in Sacramento whilst supposedly coaching a club program in Ames, IA.

Awards and Honors section

2002 Selected as a runner in the 2002 Olympic Torch Relay in Salt Lake City, Utah - Not notable. Thousands of runners participate in the Olympic torch relay. It's a cool thing to have done, but does not merit an entry in wikipedia.

2018 Sacramento Sports Hall of Fame - 2019 Nominee[5] - not sure why there are multiple (2018 and 2019) years here. In any event he was not inducted[15]. Nomination are submited by the SSHOF committee and fans[16]. He probably nominated himself and the claim that he is "the most decorated Greco Roman wrestler and coach ever to come from Sacramento" is surely untrue or puffery at best.

2017 Great Plains Conference Team Championship certificate looks fake. It says 123certificates on it. Any organization using certificates printed out at 123certificates[17] can't be taken very seriously. It's an achievement but not one that is notable enough. Anonymous editing as 75.103.228.94 (talk) 23:45, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

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  • Comment Completing nomination on behalf of IP editor. Above text is copypasted from article talk page. I have no opinion of my own at this time. --Finngall talk 22:23, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
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  • Delete - As a wrestler, Wesley does not appear to have wrestled at the highest levels of competition. As a coach, lots of mentions in local press but not the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources that would establish notability. If there is an actual good claim for notability in the article, then it would be easily missed amongst all the puffery in the article. -- Whpq (talk) 01:48, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
  • delete Doesn't meet WP:NSPORT as he never competed at the highest level. Article seems full of puffery and the coverage seems to be routine sports reporting and/or local coverage.Sandals1 (talk) 14:51, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
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The result was merge to Association of Old Crows. Barkeep49 (talk) 03:58, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Journal of Electronic Defense[edit]

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The cited reference from Google Books is a brief directory entry; the only other is from its publisher, which is not independent. Upon searches ([1], [2], [3]), any other findings are either sales links or similar brief mentions rather than anything going toward actual significant coverage that would indicate notability. Seraphimblade Talk to me 21:23, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

  • Merge and redirect to Association of Old Crows. I couldn't find coverage of it either, but I found tons of papers on JSTOR and Google Scholar that cite it. Which, I guess, speaks to reputation but doesn't help with notability. Schazjmd (talk) 21:44, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
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  • Merge and redirect per above; I am unable to find evidence of notability, and a standalone article is inappropriate. Vanamonde (Talk) 23:46, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
  • I agree with a merger, per above. Sandstein 09:57, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Yes: merge. This isn't a perfect fit for WP:SJ but I feel that it's close enough for the reasoning given there to apply.—S Marshall T/C 15:17, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Merge, Not notable to stand alone, merge to Association of Old Crows. Alex-h (talk) 09:42, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 22:48, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Brandon Richardson[edit]

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Highly promotional article for a very minor actor with no noteworthy roles. His lead vaguely claims he "played roles" in The Heat, Magic Mike XXL, Horrible Bosses 2, and Jurassic World, but ALL of these were extra at best roles, and he was not credited in any movie there. A few of his supposed credits are very dubious, too: his credit that he is the voice of Low Five Ghost isn't substantiated anywhere, and the credit goes to Roger Craig Smith. None of the (mostly low quality) sources used in the article are about him, or are primary sources that don't establish notability.

Also, it should be noted that this article has, in the past, had problems with the subject himself writing his own article and it getting deleted repeatedly, hence this being the 2nd AFD, and repeated speedy deletes and salts, also see Princé B. Richardson. This appears to be the same story here: the account used to write the article, and the account used to upload the image featured in the article, were both single use accounts never used again. --Quiz shows 20:59, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

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  • Delete Fails WP:BIO and WP:GNGThe Grid (talk) 21:27, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Delete Nothing in the article shows he passes WP:NACTOR (or any other notability criteria). I can’t find anything better (though his name isn’t particularly unique, which doesn’t help). Just a working actor, WP:TOOSOON for an article. Neiltonks (talk) 22:10, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Delete Not notable as an actor. Abtehas98 (talk) 18:02, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Delete an overly promotional article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 06:16, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Delete, The article does not pass WP:NACTOR Alex-h (talk) 09:50, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Delete - No significant coverage to support notability. Barca (talk) 13:34, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
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The result was merge to List of Marvel Comics characters: G. Barkeep49 (talk) 04:10, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Galacta[edit]

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Non-notable fictional character TTN (talk) 20:53, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

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  • Delete Extremely minor Marvel character who, as far as I can tell, only appeared in a single, out-of-continuity story. There are no reliable sources demonstrating any kind of real world notability for the character, or even any notability within the fictional universe for that matter. Unlike the various other Marvel cosmic entities that have come to AFD as of late, her non-canon status means this should not be redirected to the List of cosmic entities in Marvel Comics, and she should probably be removed from that list. Rorshacma (talk) 01:02, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Keep There's detailed coverage in sources such as this, which describes Tom Brevoort's comment as a joke and so we should not make too much of it. The worst case would be merger into a larger page such as Galactus per our policy WP:PRESERVE, but it's fine as it is as we are not required to feed the insatiable hunger of those who would devour our content. Andrew D. (talk) 11:39, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
WP:PRESERVE states "As long as any facts or ideas would belong in an encyclopedia, they should be retained in Wikipedia." It isn't a catch all that all information everywhere must be retained (WP:NOTINDISCRIMINATE). Specifically, it relates to information within relevant articles, not articles as a whole. Galacta fails WP:GNG, in that there is no ongoing coverage in reliable secondary sources. I don't even see a reliable place to redirect, although I'm sure it will be redirected shortly after it's deleted. Delete. --Killer Moff- ill advisedly sticking his nose in since 2011 (talk) 12:59, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
Re "ongoing"... and I quote "once a topic has been the subject of "significant coverage" in accordance with the general notability guideline, it does not need to have ongoing coverage. " That said, I have no opinion about this topic's coverage or notability (ongoing or otherwise). Normal Op (talk) 21:51, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Merge to List of Marvel Comics characters: G where Galacta is already listed - Epinoia (talk) 02:18, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Merge per above. The CBR coverage is interesting, but I don't think it is sufficient to make this pass WP:NFICTION. Fictional characters need more than 1-2 writeups on their version of trade journals, I think to be notable. Did anyone discuss the character's creation history or reception? Is there anything to write beyond what CBR did, which is one short para on where she was introduced, then fictional character bio and description? If not, I think this is not significant enough to be in general encyclopedia, we have Marvel/comic wikias for that. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:42, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
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The result was redirect to The Kids from the Brady Bunch. RL0919 (talk) 22:56, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

It's a Sunshine Day[edit]

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The article relates to a song the actors who played the kids in the 1970s television series The Brady Bunch sang in one episode. There is no reason for this article should exist; besides the fact that the article is overly detailed with the plot synopsis for the episode it was featured in. Pahiy (talk) 20:46, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

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  • Redirect seems to be the best alternative to deletion, however I'm not sure of the proper target. The song certainly does not have any coverage that shows it to be independently notable, but as a song from a popular series, it seems like it would be a plausible search term. I was initially going to suggest a redirect to It's a Sunshine Day: The Best of the Brady Bunch, a 90's album that the song was included in, however that album itself suffers from severe sourcing issues and may not pass WP:NALBUM, and just redirecting it to The Brady Bunch seems a bit too broad. Rorshacma (talk) 01:12, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Redirect to The Kids from the Brady Bunch. It's a Sunshine Day: The Best of the Brady Bunch. The above voter mentioned that the album article also has problems, but I think that one can be improved with additional reviews and pieces on TV history, etc. As for this particular song, it's a favorite among fans but all this article really accomplishes is a description of who wrote it, and that can be listed at the album article. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 14:39, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment: Wouldn't it be better to redirect to the original album with this song, The Kids from the Brady Bunch, rather than the later album? Aoba47 (talk) 20:36, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment - Excellent suggestion. I agree that would be the more appropriate album to redirect this article to. Rorshacma (talk) 22:18, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Good catch, that would indeed be a more sensible redirect. I have edited my vote above. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 13:29, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
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The result was Turn into DAB. I'm going to move this to Golescu (which is currently a redirect that points here) and turn that into a WP:DAB page as suggested. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:27, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Golescu family[edit]

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Found this article from hitting random article. I'm thinking, unless reliable sources are provided for this article, I think this should be deleted. Pahiy (talk) 20:30, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

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  • Keep I disagree with the rationale, this seems like a perfectly reasonable page for WikiProject Disambiguation of Golescu. Govvy (talk) 22:23, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Delete: per Nom as an unsourced article tagged since 2009. Note; I would not be opposed to this being reclassified as a disambiguation page. Otr500 (talk) 08:40, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Repurpose as disamb page - as a topic it fails WP:GNG. However, it can be made into a perfectly respectable disamb page. 2A02:C7F:4481:8300:90DC:E235:5074:54B0 (talk) 12:22, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:43, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Masha Kirilenko[edit]

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The daughter and wife of legendary athletes. And who is she?--Заслуженный шашист (talk) 20:14, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

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The result was keep. As agreement there is sufficient sourcing available in the ru-wiki form. The nominator's vote is also discounted due to evidence of being a sock at the time of nomination (non-admin closure) Nosebagbear (talk) 21:57, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Lesya Yaroslavskaya[edit]

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Russian singer, member of the Fabrika Zvyozd project. Significance not shown.--Заслуженный шашист (talk) 20:17, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

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  • Keep. A significant non-trivial coverage in Russian language sources, see this page on ruwiki. My very best wishes (talk) 17:38, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Keep as the Russian wikipedia article gives evidence of significant coverage in multiple reliable sources imv Atlantic306 (talk) 19:01, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
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The result was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. North America1000 09:17, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Mandat[edit]

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  • Delete - of the references in the article, none are about the film itself; kinopoisk.ru is just a listing - does not meet WP:NFILM, no reviews by at least two nationally known critics, no awards, no significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources - Epinoia (talk) 02:10, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 23:48, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Angelina Chernova[edit]

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The result was merge to Awards and decorations of the Civil Air Patrol  — Amakuru (talk) 12:25, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Badges of the Civil Air Patrol[edit]

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Article consists predominantly of images that are copyright violations. Purport to have been taken by airmen or employees of USAF but most likely were taken by volunteers or employees of the not-for-profit private Civil Air Patrol. Jc3s5h (talk) 19:19, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

  • Keep — As of June 24, 2016, Civil Air Patrol falls under ADCON and OPCON of 1st Air Force, Air Combat Command, United States Air Force.[1] Images were created by Civil Air Patrol and source is cited on article.Leonardocognoscenti(talk) 20:02, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
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  • Delete Merge: I will agree that some limited merge is an option per RoySmith . A single primary source pdf file does not advance notability. This is currently presented as an un-assessed list-class article. Although I am a big supporter of the Civil Air Patrol there is just not much here as presented. Maybe the creator would consider expanding Awards and decorations of the Civil Air Patrol#Badges or having the article placed in user-space to hopefully find more sources and reorganize. Otr500 (talk) 13:16, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Merge to Civil Air Patrol Awards and decorations of the Civil Air Patrol. I don't see any independent notability (referenced to a single primary source) but no reason this list couldn't be included in the parent article. Perhaps a limited merge in view of WP:UNDUE. I wouldn't be opposed to keeping this if somebody could find some WP:SECONDARY sources which show that the group or set is notable, as per WP:LISTN. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:51, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Comments: RoySmith thanks for adding the optional merge. Due to the sometimes sort of unfair considerations of closings a delete, keep, and merge would likely have resulted in a no consensus. This is not an actual fault of a closer but the way policies and guidelines are current interpreted. The reality that anything other than a "keep", especially considering ATD, still means an article is not presumed to warrant stand alone status specifically if there are notability issues. To me this would clearly indicate a merge and delete would qualify for an ATD of merge, but that is not usually how it is perceived. Maybe we can get more closing AFDs to consider this? There are some that consider merging not appropriate for AFD. To me that does not follow the deletion policy: Common outcomes are that the article is kept, merged, redirected, incubated, renamed/moved to another title, userfied to a user subpage, or deleted per the deletion policy. Maybe merge as an understood alternative would be something to consider at the policy page? -- Otr500 (talk) 15:02, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Merge to Awards and decorations of the Civil Air Patrol. The page fails WP:GNG and, therefore, a standalone page is not justified. However, a merge would enhance the target article and looks a good, constructive solution. 2A02:C7F:4481:8300:90DC:E235:5074:54B0 (talk) 18:02, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Haukur (talk) 19:44, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Zahid Hossain Khan[edit]

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Non notable entrepreneur. Fails WP:GNG & WP:ANYBIO. Article has one source but there is nothing about this person in there. I did google search but found nothing, even with bengali name. --আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 19:18, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

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  • Delete. nothing found google and Fails WP:GNG.--Nahal(T) 12:41, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Delete not naotable person. --Delwar • 22:54, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Delete, no sign of notability, fails WP:GNG, Alex-h (talk) 09:55, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. The "keep" arguments seem to focus on what this individual has done, rather than the one point that matters: Are there enough reliable sources to sustain an article, or not? From the discussion here, the answer to that question seems to be "no". By straight headcount this might be a "no consensus", but as we always say, AfD is not a vote, and references really aren't optional. No prejudice to recreation if someone actually can find substantial source coverage. Seraphimblade Talk to me 20:51, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Gary Schwartz (actor)[edit]

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Was AfD'd a few years ago, and while this article may be significantly different then the one that went through the AfD process, doesn't change the fact that this is simply a working actor/voice actor who meets neither WP:GNG or WP:NACTOR. Onel5969 TT me 23:51, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

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  • Weak Delete - Only one significant role, and acting notability requires multiple roles. Remaining roles appear to be run-of-the-mill. General notability guideline is essentially incomprehensible in marginal cases such as this, and does not provide a case for notability. Not much has changed since the last AFD. Robert McClenon (talk) 11:21, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Keep In addition to Zoobilee Zoo, he also voiced a major character in the video game Team Fortress 2 (Demoman). So yeah, this should meet WP:NACTOR. FoxyGrampa75 (talk) 14:02, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Keep The concern for insufficient substance to meet acting notability is noted: Thank you. While the article satisfies the first element of the notability guidelines by pointing to a longstanding IMDb body of work including lead character in an Oscar-winning film, it perhaps does not adequately describe or quantify the second element; celebrity status and following among a specific fan base. The voice is well known in the gamer community and the characters are followed by an established international network of fans. So while he enjoys a degree of public anonymity because he is visually not as easily recognized alongside his celebrity peers in narrative film and television, he holds an elevated status when it comes to animated work. It is true that the article needs to better address the third element of notability; that of describing significant or unique contribution to a discipline of the entertainment industry. The focus on his work as a subject matter expert in the art of mime, improvisation and game techniques falls into this arena because it is rare and sought after, yet not fully developed in the article. As an Alternative to Deletion, I suggest that further expansion of the article content and additional citations could fully satisfy all three elements and eliminate notability concerns.Msteckl (talk) 22:35, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Delete The Oscar award-winning film he was in won its award for makup, which is totally irrelevant to his notability--and he was not a major character according to the IMdB listing. ; the Emmy award show won its award for costume design, equally irrelevant. The book is self-published--its award has no reputation for significance, and the claimed reviews on Amazon and Kirkus, which is totally unreliable for self published books, as they get reviewed only if your pay them. His work as a mime was in his very early career. That leaves the game character, and there's no indication that he has any actual notability for that. DGG ( talk ) 15:32, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Keep The Academy Awards have established guidelines as to how the work of Makeup, Hairstyling and Wardrobe relates to the appearance and enhanced performance of first-billed actors. For the Planet of the Apes Oscar, this actor was Buck Kartalian who played the gorilla Julius. For Star Wars, it was Peter Mayhew who was the Wookie, Chewbacca. For Quest for Fire, it was Gary Schwartz who was the Rouka, the leader of the prehistoric Ulam tribe. There is clear precedent that establishes the relevance of the award with the actor’s notability. Both Mayhew and Kartalian were found to be notable in Wikipedia based in part for their association with these films and the awards. This actor is listed fifth in credit order in IMDb for the Oscar film and fourth in the Emmy TV show. But even if this was not the case, the notability precedent and guidelines should still apply.184.68.23.102 (talk) 14:53, 31 August 2019 (UTC)This is this editor's only contribution to WP. Onel5969 TT me 20:58, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Keep per above. I also must add that in the 1980 film, Quest for Fire, he played Rouka in his first film, and was fifth-billed. FWIW, this was the film that also launched Ron Perlman. Bearian (talk) 16:01, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Weak Delete This is a borderline case. The article needs some love, but I don't think the current sources establish that he is either generally notable or that he was a significant role in multiple productions or that he has a cult following. The Zoobilee Zoo and Quest for Fire roles weren't discussed in the previous AFD, so I'm not sure if they were missed, or if someone has made a frankenstein out of several actors of the same name. If this is kept, someone should go get the three sources from the previous AFD and incorporate them into the article. Rockphed (talk) 13:28, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Weak keep. The book did seem to get a little bit of attention. [4] [5] It's true that you can pay Kirkus to review self-published books but I imagine you can't pay them to put it on a best-of list. Haukur (talk) 17:26, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
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  • Keep. Seems to have done things to rise above the absent pack. Hyperbolick (talk) 18:06, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Barkeep49 (talk) 03:23, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Kenilworth, Erie County, New York[edit]

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Some concern on Talk:Kenilworth,_Erie_County,_New_York that this may not exist despite the USGS thinking that it does. ϢereSpielChequers 16:40, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

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  • Support Deletion 'Kenilworth' is not a designated census place and searches of other GIS for this name come up negative. The article does not meet standards for verifiability or notability. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. I support deletion of this article as it is not supported by any solid references. Dhpage (talk) 17:29, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Note Kenilworth is mentioned numerous times in historical sources e.g. "When police were appraised Monday of the disappearance of Ransom Woodward, thirteen years old, 60 Midland Avenue, Kenilworth, town of Tonawanda..." (Buffalo Courier 21 April 1926). It may no longer be regarded as a separate entity but if it was once notable we should have an article on it.----Pontificalibus 17:40, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Keep A verified place. History of the Town of Tonawanda, Erie County, New York, 1805-1930" states "On the east side of old Delaware Road and extending past Colvin Boulevard to the Niagara Falls Boulevard two hamlets are growing up within the boundaries of the town of Tonawanda — Ellwood and Kenilworth. These thriving and beautiful hamlets are the outgrowth of early settlements in that section of the town...". There should be plenty of sources, possibly not online, but if not we should merge rather than delete.----Pontificalibus 17:52, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
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The result was merge to Encryption software  — Amakuru (talk) 10:35, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Cycles per byte[edit]

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This is a dictionary definition of a metric used to evaluate the performance of cryptographic software. Though the metric is frequently used in the field, it seems unlikely that the article can ever grow to more than a dictionary definition: sources explaining the history, significance, or usage of "cycles per byte" seem lacking. BenKuykendall (talk) 15:24, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

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  • Keep Per WP:DICDEF, this is the "perennial source of confusion is that a stub encyclopedia article looks very much like a dictionary entry, and stubs are often poorly written; another is that some paper dictionaries, such as "pocket" dictionaries, lead users to the mistaken belief that dictionary entries are short, and that short article and dictionary entry are therefore equivalent." The stub can quite readily be expanded from sources such as Cryptography for Developers. Andrew D. (talk) 19:01, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
It only necessarily looks like a dictionary entry to someone who knows nothing about the topic. The nominator clearly addressed this. Imagine one of your favourite "rescued" articles, perhaps the "clurn" [fictional example, ok?], a measure of cloth used in Norfolk in the 14th century. Someone creates Clurns per fortnight, so you argue this can be easily expended[??] from "Hiring clothworkers in 14th-century Norfolk", by Lucian B. Withers, 1873. I think your submission is simply invalid, being based on a logical fallacy. Imaginatorium (talk) 19:30, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
  • A fictional straw man is unhelpful. The nominator's difficulty seems to be that they can't envisage how the current stub might be expanded. If we consider an actual example of a similar measure – instructions per second – we see that it has a table of processor speeds, expressed in that unit and given as a timeline. The relevant feature of the source which I cited is that it gives a series of examples which are likewise expressed in the unit in question. For example, it says that "SHA-512 requires 12 cycles per byte...". Such examples might usefully be added to expand the article. My !vote stands. Andrew D. (talk) 23:22, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Delete: as per nom, this is a unit that can be used in cryptography. There is lots and lots to say about cryptography, and possibly even Cryptographic processing rate, but nothing to say about an obvious measurement other than dicdef. Imaginatorium (talk) 19:30, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Merge - (to Encryption software) there are dozens of books, news pieces and journal articles that have a couple of lines on the topic. This isn't enough to warrant an article as we never reach Sig Cov. However, WP:ATD applies, and would seem relevant to that article. Nosebagbear (talk) 09:54, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Merge to any of a number of cryptography articles. This is a frequently used term, but practically all related material is much more relevant to specific applications than to the measure itself. (This, by the way, is nicely demonstrated by the book proffered above, which I doubt Andrew looked at closely outside of searching for occurrence of the words...) Being a recent invention, it doesn't have an interesting history either, as do many units. In it's current state, it doesn't merit an article. Merge and split later, if lots of content emerges contrary to expectations. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 12:55, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
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Encryption software (probably with a new section) was what occurred to me, but I'm distinctly a non-technical expert. If algorithmic efficiency seems more appropriate I'm happy to go with that. Nosebagbear (talk) 14:42, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Merge to Encryption software. There is some crypto-specific interest here, which would be lost in an article about general algorithmic complexity. There are cryptographic attacks which depend on observing how long it takes to encrypt/decrypt something. For example, if you can observe that decrypting two strings take the same amount of clock cycles, even if you can't see the inputs, you may be able to deduce that they're identical. Of course, anything we say in Encryption software needs to be vetted against WP:RS, not the random ramblings of a wikieditor who knows just enough about crypto to be dangerous. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:09, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
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The result was keep. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:12, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Tools of trade[edit]

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Lacks any citations, orphaned and likely fails WP:Notability. I have also some concerns that this article is simply a copy-paste job. With the text taken from another website. Theprussian (talk) 14:04, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

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  • Delete - I don't think it's copied from another website (rather, wikiscrapers have copied this article), but as it stands this article is nothing more than a WP:DICDEF. Perhaps it deserves a line or two in bankruptcy law but there's no reason at all for this to be a stand-alone article. May His Shadow Fall Upon You Talk 14:24, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Delete. [now Neutral, see below.] The "tools of trade" bankruptcy exemption is real, but it's only one of many exemptions in the US bankruptcy act, and I would expect the same in the bankruptcy laws of other countries.
In the US it's in 11 U.S.C. § 522(f)(1)(B)(ii): "implements, professional books, or tools, of the trade of the debtor or the trade of a dependent of the debtor". The fact that it's buried as part of a sub-sub-sub-sub-section is perhaps indicative of how deep in the details this is.
A quick search shows the subject mentioned in a significant number of law journals, but I found only one article (Craig Kendall, Bankruptcy: Debtor's Tools of the Trade are Defined by the Use Test, 30 Washburn L.J. 127 (1990)) that specifically discussed it -- and that was only because the article is a summary of the not-particularly-notable case In re Heape, 886 F.2d 280 (10th Cir. 1989), where the term figured. The subject was not written about because "tools of trade" was itself worth discussing; but only because the definition of the term as an issue in the case being explained.
As May His Shadow Fall Upon You suggests, it may be worth including in Bankruptcy#Debts_and_exemptions, but that's about it. TJRC (talk) 20:19, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Keep - in addition to usage in Bankruptcy law (whihc is not just in the USA), the term is also used in taxation law for the purpose of assessing equipment used for carrying out their work to produce assessable income. It's more than a dictionary definition. Bookscale (talk) 10:02, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
    • Really? To me, it just really feels like just banking terminology.Theprussian (talk) 15:48, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
    • If it's used for one purpose in bankruptcy, and another way in tax, then they're two different concepts -- one a bankruptcy exemption and one a... assessment criterion? In which case they would be in two different articles, not shoehorned into one. The only reason to cover multiple uses in one article would be to provide multiple definitions... and you're basically arguing it's a WP:DICDEF. TJRC (talk) 03:11, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment - tools of the trade are a concept used across many jobs and professions; for examples, construction workers buy their own wrenches and some teachers buy their own school supplies. Tool of the Trade is a SF book that is probably not notable. Not sure what we should do here. Bearian (talk) 18:43, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Keep per WP:HEYMANN (and further expansion is possible) and the fact the topic satisfies GNG. The article is not a dictionary definition now. The exemption is not confined to bankruptcy as it applies, for example, to any High Court writ of execution and certain other powers of seizure in England. That said I think the article should possibly be moved and expanded to cover the related exemptions, especially the exemption for items needed for domestic purposes. James500 (talk) 08:00, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
I'm still not convinced it should be kept, but the changes made have made me less adamant, and I've revised my not-vote to "neutral" above.
I don't have access to the newly-cited sources, but from the titles, none of them sound like they are particularly about the subject matter of the article; they're about bankruptcy, and, as expected, "tools of the trade" will get some small treatment in any significant discussion of bankruptcy exceptions.
But now, although it probably still shouldn't be kept, it's mostly harmless, and its retention doesn't particularly bother me. (My internal metric for an article like this is more like PROD-level; if someone objects to its removal, as here, I won't push for it.) TJRC (talk) 23:38, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
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  • Keep obviously notable. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 12:50, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
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The result was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. RL0919 (talk) 22:59, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Beverley Thompson[edit]

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Non-notable (former) regional TV presenter. No RS. - Funky Snack (Talk) 13:04, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

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The result was delete. There was no support for the arguments of notability put forward by IacobusViridis and the policy explanations of delete voters establishes a consensus. Barkeep49 (talk) 03:51, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Irkutsk Ice Truckers[edit]

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I can find no evidence of notability. I see that their book is "independently published". Doug Weller talk 18:17, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

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  • Delete not notable - all the sources except one are related to the website and not independent, while the one is a blog - not reliable. Searches find nothing significant to show notability. It’s the electronic equivalent of a student magazine, of little importance outside of the college. Neiltonks (talk) 22:24, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

While I agree that Irkutsk Ice Truckers News is quite small and locally focused, it has a national readership with many unaffiliated with the school in New York, Connecticut, and Indiana anecdotally reading it, for example. The website in question Irkutsk Ice Truckers already has more content than the similarly satirical long-running and much more known Eye of the Tiber.

Although Irkutsk Ice Truckers News (IIT), again may be locally focused, its humor is similarly applicable far outside of the region of where many of its editors happen to reside. The site is in fact shared among many other similar schools including Thomas Aquinas College (California/Massachusetts), Christendom College, and Northeast Catholic College. Irkutsk Ice Truckers carries news relating to these schools, in fact and has writers on staff from even outside of these circles.

Irkutsk Ice Truckers and its staff have been made mention of within the official Wyoming Catholic College curriculum with Everett Polinski, its founder, in particular, being the study of a dialogue written by professor and former dean of the college, Dr. Jeremy Holmes that is part of the Freshman Theology sequence.

Again, Irkutsk Ice Truckers is small and would not merit a page in a printed encyclopedia obviously. But its strong and growing in readership, news coverage, and quality as its staff continues to grow. On a free and expansive platform like Wikipedia, however, where there are no constraints like those with printed encyclopedias, there is space, I believe for the sharing of brief factual explanation. IIT's open lampooning of the absurdities often present within Catholic liberal arts colleges and their broader universe of related thought will only continue to get more popular as it is the only full-blown site in this niche.

Thanks for the shot at least, IacobusViridis (talk) 22:51, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

  • Delete I'm afraid I don't see any substantial reliable secondary sources on a website that's less than a year old. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 22:17, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
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The result was Draftify. The keep arguments are particularly week. Doing a google search and copy-pasting a bunch of URLs from there is not a useful argument. What's useful is to pick a few that really show the subject meets (in this case) WP:BIO and examining them in detail. But, moving this to draft does seem like a reasonable WP:ATD. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:42, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Kevin Cavenaugh[edit]

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Non notable outside of his company, promotional content, lacks WP:RS and fails WP:GNG. Wikipedia is not a linkedin for organisation's CEO and executives. Meeanaya (talk) 04:46, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

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  • Keep or create a page for the company, theres something notable here. Horse Eye Jack (talk) 05:01, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Draftify - I agree that it is likely that there is a notable page that is itching to get out. The problem with the article is that much of the sourcing is very local and doesn't yet meet WP:BIO. The Portland Mercury is always likely to write about one of its own, for example. I don't think that we are in a position to referee whether an article on Cavenaugh or Guerrilla Development is the better way forward. Best, I think, to draftify to enable further development. 2A02:C7F:4481:8300:90DC:E235:5074:54B0 (talk) 18:35, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. The current "article" tells us nothing of note about this guy of why he might be notable, and sourcing is borderline. If a decent encyclopedic draft is created with solid sourcing, then perhaps it could be recreated, but for now I'm not seeing enough for WP:GNG or WP:NBIO.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:22, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. While some editors advocated a merge, that would not be possible unless sources conclusively indicate that these are in fact the same individual. Seraphimblade Talk to me 20:54, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Balbhadra Singh[edit]

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This person is most likely the same as Balbhadra Singh (politician), the 12th Raja of Raghogarh (a part of Gwalior Residency). The CricketArchive source has his name as "Raja Balbhadra Singh" and his team as Gwalior. The Raghogarh State article mentions that Raja Balbhadra Singh II was born in 1916 and was a "good sportsman". Dee03 10:27, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

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  • Comment Sure. Cheers for looking at those - like I say there are others I guess you'll bundle together. (I assume you've not done it already, I haven't checked...) Bobo. 10:46, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
If you mean bundle duplicate articles, I haven't found any other. I do have a feeling Roop Singh (cricketer) could be Roop Singh, but there is not much to connect the two other than the fact that they both are from Gwalior. Dee03 10:50, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
Sorry, no - I meant as a single AfD discussion. Bobo. 10:51, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Delete and redirect to the article about the politician. Although it is likely that they are the same person, we can't rule out that they are two different people with similar names. Therefore retaining the edit history could be potentially misleading. Reyk YO! 12:42, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
It is highly unlikely that there was another Raja (king) with the same name in the same place at the same time. But yeah, we don't know that for sure. Dee03 15:46, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
I'll take your word for it :). Reyk YO! 20:17, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Merge or Redirect (see below). This is slightly complex. If they can be shown to be the same person - and I do think we're close to being able to do that - then the articles should be merged with Balbhadra Singh as the article name - as main subject. Dee03 is clearly in a better position to determine that: I think it's likely from what's been laid out here.
If that can't be shown then I'd, ideally, like the article to redirect to Gwalior cricket team - I don't think there's a need to have a separate article for a team which played precisely one first-class match. But that article currently redirects to Madhya Pradesh cricket team - which appears to have absorbed it at some point. So, as he's already on the list, redirect to List of Madhya Pradesh cricketers seems the better option. Blue Square Thing (talk) 08:49, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
It would be easier to make an article called List of Gwalior cricketers for the individuals we're unclear of. I would bash some stats in there but I'm disheartened by all this as you know. Bobo. 08:56, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
Based upon what other than your own opinion, exactly? At least cite some kind of guideline or justification... this may be entirely the wrong article to make this argument about anyway, if it can be established that the two individuals noted are the same. Bobo. 22:43, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Delete. Unfortunately, despite all the circumstantial evidence we don't have reliable source confirmation that the cricket player and the politician were definitively the same person, so I can't recommend a merge, but the problem with the cricket player's article is that there are no reliable or notability-supporting sources present in it to establish his notability with. People are not exempted from having to have any solid sources just because the article claims something that sounds like it should be notable; hoax articles have been created on Wikipedia which made notability claims the subject didn't really have in reality (musicians claiming chart hits they didn't really have, writers claiming award nominations they didn't really have, etc.), so the notability test is not what the article says, but how well it references the things it says to reliable sources which properly verify the things it says as true. So no matter what notability claim is being made, we still can't keep articles without sources, and we can't just assume that the cricket player and the politician were the same person until we can find a source which confirms it either. Bearcat (talk) 15:58, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Keep. He played two first class matches. [6] Per WP:NCRICKET usually we keep anyone who has played first class cricket. I have looked to see if he is the same as the politician and I don't think he is, but I'm not certain. There are 17 people with this name on LinkedIn alone. Szzuk (talk) 09:50, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
The CricketArchive source for the cricketer mentions his full name as "Raja Balbhadra Singh" with the title Raja being conferred upon a king. It was very common during that period for kings to take part in sports especially cricket. Post-Independence, several kings became politicians like Balbhadra Singh (politician). In the unlikely case of these two being different people, the cricketer would fail GNG as Bearcat has pointed out. Dee03 11:58, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Merge. Yes I can see the logic and I think they are the same person. In that case I think we should merge the politician article to the cricket article. I see no need to have (politician) in the article title, it is unnecessary. Szzuk (talk) 12:29, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
  • @Bearcat: I added the requested ref to the article. Szzuk (talk) 10:07, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Have you? The only new source I'm seeing in the article is a directory entry, not a notability-making source — and what I actually asked for was not a source that verified his existence as a cricketer, but a source which definitively verified the circumstantial but unconfirmed evidence that the cricketer and the politician are the same person. Bearcat (talk) 17:31, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
That ref does satisfy ncricket. It is a directory listing that proves he played first class cricket. Anyway, it isn't worth arguing about. Szzuk (talk) 18:17, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
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  • Neutral I'm 99% sure these two are the same, but I can't prove it. SportingFlyer T·C 08:19, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment Books about early Indian cricket may contain some information on how Gwalior team entered the Ranji Trophy and if he is the same Raja. History books on Raghogarh/Gwalior State might be able to shed some light too. Since nobody has been able to present any concrete evidence yet, I believe "delete" on GNG grounds makes more sense at this point. If such proof is found later we can add a sentence or two in the politician's article about his cricket career. Dee03 17:54, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
  • I'm fine with this. If this is deleted, I would kindly ask either you or the closer to put information about his potential cricket career on the politician's talk page. SportingFlyer T·C 07:50, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Sure. I've kept a backup of the cricketer's article on my computer. Dee03 12:35, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Merge. These two are almost certainly the same person, just be be bold and merge the two. StickyWicket (talk) 11:32, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
Wikipedia does not make assertions like this on the basis of what's "almost certainly" likely to maybe be possibly true given the circumstantial evidence; we don't make such assertions at all until they're incontrovertibly verified by reliable sources as cold hard fact. Bearcat (talk) 22:10, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
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  • Merge but explain in the post-merge page that it is not entirely clear that these are the same person. Hyperbolick (talk) 18:08, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. Discussion of renaming or listifying the article can continue on its talk page. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:06, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Protestant Eastern Christianity[edit]

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There is not one scientific secondary source confirming the existence of this branch of Christianity (needn't church sites, marginal articles by theologians and opinions of participants).

The article is either original research where other info about Protestantism such as Anglicanism with elements of the eastern rite or about Independent/Irregular Oriental Orthodoxy is being decreed to be about "Reformed Eastern Christianity" (reformed oriental orthodoxy). Some argu also see on the page of discussion for the article. This branch and term cannot possibly be attributed to reliable sources (authoritative studies of classification of denominations), including "neologism"-neonotion "Reformed Eastern Christianity". DayakSibiriak (talk) 23:59, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

  • Keep but rename. The phenomenon is real and has been written about, although not necessarily extensively. See, e.g., Fernández Rodríguez, José Manuel. "Iglesias orientales protestantes y reformadas: 'una ojeada histórica y ecuménica'". Theologica Xaveriana 182 (2016): 345-369. http://dx.doi.org/10.11l44/javeriana.tx66-182.ioproh Rename, rescope, split: all are better than delete. Srnec (talk) 02:46, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
So its a Keep then? If you wanted the page to existed? Chad The Goatman (talk) 02:51, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
@Srnec:, Kindly do tag your above comments, with a 'Keep' or a 'Delete'.Macinderum (talk) 14:08, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
This source neither general, nor reliable. Just an article by some confessional theologian. DayakSibiriak (talk) 05:22, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
It's published by a university press and is reliable. Srnec (talk) 00:19, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
The problem is not the reality of the existence or hoax of the Eastern Reformation. The problem is that the article doesnt rely on secondary academic sources (such as Encyclopeadia of Religions, 16 vols, ed. by M. Eliade, NY, 1987, or Melton, J. Gordon (2005). Encyclopedia of Protestantism. NY. or others) and there is no info about this branch. The wiki authors independently introduce a new notion of denomination based in part on primary sources or with no anything.
Note. The real reformation in the East, as I understand it, is the Iconoclastic movement in antiquity or the umbrella Russian Spiritual Christianity preserved to this day, etc. original eastern movements. But the article under discussion is about Protestants in the East (Anglicans, Lutherans, Evangelics) or about independent groups of Oriental Orthodoxy. DayakSibiriak (talk) 05:33, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
  • [Questionably] Comment and also Keep for now–, until more sources are for their page are defined. As these Churches are not entirely compared to the other Mainstream or not Eastern Christian denominations because of their similar nature by theology and practices to the Occident Protestant Churches, except few lesser known Western Christian denominations does do the opposite while they don't have communion with the mainstream Christian denominations like Catholicism or Anglicanism as examples.
Also I feel this sudden demand of deleting this page that too early right now as its on temporary lock mode, right just after I demanded to lock this page and the Mar Thoma Syrian Church's page days ago, over a ludicrous edit war with likely the same guy/gal with few identities (either User or anonymous), with the main classification; as their website does has reformation page as 'Heritage', and the page itself mentioned Anglican missionaries has accidentally transformed their Church. And I wanted to know if you had any connections to it or not? Chad The Goatman (talk) 02:49, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Keep - - this phenomenon is real, and the article has references. Vorbee (talk) 06:22, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Keep - I invite the attention of all participants to the discussion which led to the consensual unopposed change of this article's title, archived in Talk:Reformed Eastern Christianity. I believe that it is the prelude to this deletion nomination. It clearly explains how misleading and factually incorrect it is, to call these denominations which sprang up from the mid-nineteenth century as "Orthodox", while they possess none of the key distinguishing common characteristics of Eastern/Oriental/Independent Orthodoxy. The authentic primary sources by these churches themselves lays bare their common characteristics; first of all their reformed nature and secondly, to the extent their reformed faiths and theologies can accommodate, the maintenance of some eastern traditions. It is clear from the primary sources itself that most of these denominations came into being due to existing Protestant Churches adopting reformed variants of Orthodox liturgy and worship. The rest from reformations of Orthodox beliefs and practices, inspired by the teachings of Western Protestant missionaries. In either case, the end result was essentially the same. Even secondary sources that mentions these denominations defines them as reformed and eastern, but not Orthodox. For example, check how the Mar Thoma Church in full communion with Anglicans, is defined by the official website of the Anglican Communion (https://www.anglicancommunion.org/ecumenism/churches-in-communion.aspx). The consensual new title 'Reformed Eastern Christianity' has been replicated to the respective Wikipedia pages of these churches, as their new classification. They have largely remained unopposed and stable to this day. Only in the Mar Thoma Church page, indisputably well sourced changes were disrupted by several anons and new user id's (all possibly the same person). This page is now locked up pending dispute resolution. It is here that I seriously share Chad The Goatman's suspicion that this deletion nomination may have something to do with it. Reformed Eastern Christianity is an existing reality, though not widely noticed or written extensively about. And perhaps justifiably so, as they remain for most part, outside of other major global Christian Communions.Macinderum (talk) 13:54, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Keep but tidy up. This article would be much better with a short introduction (much as now) followed by a list of relevant denominations. This will enable it to identify and discuss the phenomenon. Some are evangelical movements within ancient churches; one apparently of occidental origin; some may be the result of the impact of Protestant missionaries on ancient Eastern churches. The detail about each church should be split out into a separate article, unless there already is one. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:52, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
  • @Peterkingiron: Thanks for the suggestion. Starting work in that direction. However not splitting out the details on the Marthoma Church, even though a separate page exits. It may cause distracting edit wars. Will do it after this discussion gets over. Macinderum (talk) 06:12, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
  • The term is "Reformed", not "reformed". This is about Protestant movements. The title should be clearer. Srnec (talk) 00:19, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Also, needless to say that you may discreetly add more denominations/movements to the article, if you think they're in-scope and belongs there. However that is absolutely no valid reason for a deletion nomination; such things should be the settled in the article's talk page. Macinderum (talk) 03:14, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Delete There is no such classification else where. Prosper of title change is the creator of the concept. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chandy of Pakalomattom (talkcontribs) 09:56, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
  • The creator of the article has been gone since 2007. Srnec (talk) 00:19, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Delete. I was thinking the article might just need to be moved to something with reference to Protestantism rather than Reformed Protestantism, but I think I agree with others that no reliable sources have been brought forward to show the existence of a branch or "range" of denominations that fit the definition in the lead. Indeed, the citations in the lead are all about specific denominations, showing that they are in some ways Protestant and Eastern or Orthodox, but not that "Protestant Eastern Christianity" exists. So anything in the article stating the existence of "Protestant Eastern Christianity" is WP:SYNTH. --JFH (talk) 00:18, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Verifiable source 'Protestant and Reformed Eastern Churches: "A Historical and Ecumenical Glance"', dealing with the subject, has been added to the article. It is published by a university press and based on sound bibliography. Due to origins outside of the Occident and existence outside of major global Christian communions, REC may not have been extensively written about. This Wiki article like many others is a continuous 'work in progress' and more sources will have to be added as and when they become available. Nevertheless, there are enough sources enabling the article to explain the phenomenon and makes the content verifiable. So its worth keeping. Macinderum (talk) 09:52, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
I'm still confused about the scope of the article. If it's Protestant churches in "the East", then obviously there are lots of Protestant churches in Asia and the rest of the Eastern world. There are probably more Protestants in Asia than in the West, depending on how you count them, and we have them covered in Protestantism in China, Protestantism in India, Protestantism in Russia, etc. But why would we have another article on Protestantism in the superset of "the East"? If there are sources out there saying there is something to say about Protestant churches in the East, maybe there is a case for the present article, but so far we just have one (Spanish-language) article talking about it.
If we are talking about some kind of subbranch of Christianity that's a hybrid of Eastern Christianity and Protestantism, that would be very interesting and worthy of an article, but again, I have not seen a reliable source on that. --JFH (talk) 03:10, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
Once again, colleagues. It is forbidden by the wikirules to publish original articles and syntheses, incl. based on marginal theories. And this article introduces a new concept, a new trend in Christianity at the same level with Eastern Orthodoxy or Catholicism. This is forbidden not only in English Wiki, but I believe in African as well. In the reference literature there is no such trend. This is only a variation of either Anglicanism or Lutheranism, etc. DayakSibiriak (talk) 23:46, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
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  • Comment - all of these churches exist, but are there any religious scholars who group them under the term "Protestant Eastern Christianity"? - the references deal with individual churches, but only one provides an overview, and that article does not attempt to define a group, merely describe the churches - it seems that what is significant here, and makes the groups distinct, is that these congregations are protestant based on the Eastern Orthodox rite rather than the Roman rite of western European congregations, which is certainly a notable difference - as "Protestant Eastern Christianity" is not a recognized designation, perhaps it would be best to listify the the article as "List of Protestant Eastern Churches" along the lines of List of Christian denominations (some of the churches in the Protestant Eastern Christianity article are included in the List of Christian denominations) - Epinoia (talk) 21:30, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
  • It’s a good idea that a list of churches can be created. Only then, by analogy with the Eastern Catholic Churches, is it better to call it "Eastern Protestant Churches" (or "Eastern-rite Protestant Churches). But again, where is the criterion, which churches to include there? because there is no such direction in scientific authoritative literature, since all Protestant churches, including Jehovah's Witnesses, in eastern countries will be possible. DayakSibiriak (talk) 00:01, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
  • I think the criteria would be protestant churches based on the Eastern Orthodox rite rather than the Roman rite of western European congregations - Epinoia (talk) 00:12, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Is there already, for exemple, the concept of Protestant churches based on the Catholic rite? DayakSibiriak (talk) 01:23, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
  • This is true. I mean that scientists do not use the concept of the Protestants of the Catholic rite in relation to the Anglicans and Lutherans who have preserved elements of the Catholic Mass. So wouldn’t it be nonsense to start talking about the Protestants of the Eastern rite, only because several Anglican and Lutheran churches for mission inserted elements of Eastern liturgies into their service? DayakSibiriak (talk) 04:13, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
  • I have already stated the reasons for my proposition to maintain this article as it is and I still favor it. That said, in contemplation of the various dimensions of the word 'compromise', I find user Epinoia's views rather appealing. Since the creation of this page in 2006 till the consensual page move on 19 July 2019, the content appeared to be an unsubstantiated, subtle and false portrayal of these denominations, as part of the well defined and easily differentiable family of Eastern/Oriental Orthodox churches. That necessitated some work on the article. In any case, it emerges glaringly from this present discussion, that the denominations mentioned in the article are indeed part of Protestantism. That is one thing on which all editors seem to agree upon. "Protestants in the East, maintaining reformed variants of eastern liturgies/worship", is precisely what they are. Besides, even if this article gets converted to a list, the content and sources would be preserved to a significant extent, I guess. Hence, I assume good faith and support user Epinoia's suggestion, as a secondary middle ground option. Macinderum (talk) 09:12, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
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I believe a possible consensus on converting, example, to List of Eastern-rite Protestant Churches, will be useful for Wikipedia readers, as Epinoia and later Macinderum have offered. When creating lists, we are less attached to the generalized source in comparison with ordinary articles, if I'm wrong, correct me. But in order to avoid the publication of an original research and a new concept, the following conditions must be observed. 1. In the Preamble, stipulate that this matter is not a separate Christian branch, but only a collection of churches from various Protestant denominations, practicing elements of Eastern rites (this will be so until the time when a concept of such a branch appears in the reference literature). 2. Therefore, it will not be possible to refer to this list in other wiki articles and templates in order to enter a new current at the same level with Eastern Orthodoxy or the Church of the East, and you can put information about this list with, for example, "See also" templates. 3. Of course there will be a reduction of the text, there will be only a brief Preamble with criterion and so on, the List itself with a brief description of each church, and division Referencies. The list can be made normal or in the form of a table such as in article List of new religious movements. And if the churches will be a little then let ace in alphabetically without division according to Anglicanism and other denominations and countries. That is my view of a possible compromise. It is interesting to hear the support of this option, or something is wrong, or opinions that can not be saved as a list too and need to delete. DayakSibiriak (talk) 00:38, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

  • With the above comments from the user who made this nomination, I believe we can now see our way forward with respect to the actual binary choice (keep or delete), this specific forum is about. It tends towards a keep and I still believe that it would be possible to keep this page as it is, as per WP:content policies, based on current references. The arguments in favor of it has already been raised. However, just in case that becomes absolutely undoable, I'm ok with its conversion to a list. In absolute good faith, I point out that the fine details of such an ideated list should be sorted out in the article's talk page and not here. Taking into account, our unanimous agreement about those denominations as being (Reformed) Eastern rite Protestants and not Eastern/Oriental Orthodox, I do not foresee many seriously conflicting considerations, forthcoming. Macinderum (talk) 09:36, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

For clearer consensus. Here is list only by ABC order (info about churches from wiki article Protestant Eastern Cristianity and Eastern-rite Anglicanism and small addition).

      List of Eastern-rite Protestant Churches
Preamble ...
List
Referencies ...

Colleagues. In case on convertin the article to the list, to keep or delete too? DayakSibiriak (talk) 12:28, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

This grouping is not right. Protestent churches are those churches which got seperated from Roman catholic churches or rather in Western christianity. Clubbing together churches which follow christology and trinity faith based on first three (Oriental Orthodox ) and first seven ( Eastern Orthodox) with churches which donot follow any is not correct. Many of the churches which is mentioned in article is of pentecostal nature and revivalist spirit which donot follow the Episcopalian tradition. Hence the title itself is confusing or artificial. By the way some churches cannot be grouped with any like Church of East of persians, Malankara Marthoma Syrian church of St Thomas Christians etc (Chandy of Pakalomattom (talk) 18:34, 14 September 2019 (UTC))

Clearly, the compromise option by Epinoia of converting to a list did not find support. Whoever was for the deletion continues to insist on deletion, who was in favor of keeping the article still wishing to keep it in its present form. In this situation, I also think that it is more correct to delete, because there is a risk that the list may also introduce a new original concept. DayakSibiriak (talk) 04:07, 17 September 2019 (UTC)


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The result was redirect to List of Legion of Super-Heroes members. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 18:39, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Tellus (comics)[edit]

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Non-notable fictional character TTN (talk) 17:58, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 23:39, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Pir Azmat Nawaz[edit]

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The subject of this article fails WP:GNG, and its existence also runs afoul of WP:BLP1E. Of the four sources in the current revision, 1 and 3 are not reliable, and 2 and 4 do not have any substantial information; moreover, the two news sources only exist because this individual was accused of a murder, which is a perfect example of BLP1E. Delete. Vanamonde (Talk) 17:17, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

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  • Delete Although I am thrilled as this is the first time I am seeing an actual exorcists article on Wikipedia, They seem to be embracing technology fast. The subject though fails WP:CRIME and should be deleted. There are multiple articles from reliable Pakistani newspapers covering the alleged murder by the subject, [7] [8] but the case seem to fall in WP:NOTNEWS category.--DBigXray 07:56, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Delete - clear fail of WP:BIO. Conceivably, if something comes of the police investigation then there could be a page in the future but we are not there at present. 2A02:C7F:4481:8300:90DC:E235:5074:54B0 (talk) 19:40, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Delete per WP:TOOSOON. Bearian (talk) 21:30, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Consensus is, even if not including the IP !votes, that the subject is notable. (non-admin closure) Rollidan (talk) 22:10, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Edwin H. Land Medal[edit]

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Apparently not notable independently of the sponsoring organisations. The Optical Society gives out dozens of such awards, which are – very properly – listed in that page, and which are from time to time covered in the press. It's doubtful whether any one of them is notable in itself. This one gets 12 verifiable hits on Gbooks, and 8 on Gnews. Edwin H. Land is of course very notable indeed, but notability is WP:NOTINHERITED. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 17:03, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

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  • Delete/Merge Not seeing tertiary sources establishing notability or why this one stands out among their many awards, but it could be included in the main article. Reywas92Talk 18:31, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Keep. Being covered in the popular press is not the criteria for notability in scholarly and technical subjects. We have entire categories of awards given by the major scientific and engineering societies. See Category:Awards by scientific societies and in particular Category:Awards of the Optical Society. There is no reason to discriminate against this award or do a mass delete of all the awards in that parent category and subcategories. These subarticles of the society articles include the awardees and would take up too much space in the parent articles. As a result of Wikipedia:Summary style are usually separate. StarryGrandma (talk) 20:27, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
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  • Keep. The news stories from GoogleNews count for something and are more than most academic awards get. I have also added a couple of book refs that describe the award itself [9][10]. Overall, I think there is enough here to satisfy WP:GNG. Nsk92 (talk) 21:17, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Keep. In addition to the sources that have been added to the article. the Washington Post felt it a significant enough award to mention in an obituary in the same sentence as the National Medal of Science and the IEEE Medal of Honor. Schazjmd (talk) 21:25, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Keep as there are plenty of press mention, overall showing notability. Also it would be excessive having a list of recipients in the Optical Society article, so it makes sense to split this off. Many of the recipients have articles too, so it is not a sea of red. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 23:03, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Keep. I find it odd that this article is marked for deletion. It does not meet the deletion criteria stated! "FIRST", it is becoming very well-sourced from independent outlets. OSA is one of the leading scientific organizations in the world. the Land Medal is one of its notable awards. It is sourced by excellent outlets. PHYSICS TODAY is completely dissociated with the OSA or the Medal. So is SMITHSONIAN. The article was a day old when it was marked, without any attempt at discussion. That in itself is odd. I am sure that many many more sources will be added. Typically medals are the highest honors a scientific society offers. Please note that Land Medal honorees have previously been honored by the Nobel Prize; the National Medical of Science, Primetime Emmy Award; and many others. Point being that this is an extremely luminous group. "SECOND" it is certainly notable. It is marked by many sources and is presented at one of the largest scientific meetings in the world. What "notability" index is being used? GBOOKS? Not relevant. Why are half of OSA medals allowed Wikipedia pages, but this one, a Medal, is not? Wikipedia is loaded with pages for hundreds of others like awards, many less "notable." "THIRD" the article is simple, factual, and neutral. It describes Edwin Land, who was the original Steve Jobs. It lists the winners. It gives sources. Thanks! 136.49.47.230 (talk) 21:23, 11 September 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.62.213.119 (talk)
You might want to read Wikipedia:Deletion policy and Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions. Many of your questions are answered there. Also, please note that producing a WP:WALLOFTEXT usually has the opposite effect of what the poster intended. Nsk92 (talk) 16:58, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Keep I think the sourcing is adequate to establish notability; it's not so big that a merge would be a terrible idea, but it's well-documented enough to stand on its own. XOR'easter (talk) 20:12, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Keep I am a little upset that the person who marked this article for deletion seems a bit biased and arbitrary. The Optical Society is the leading organization in its field. It’s awards a regarded as stellar. The recipients are hugely important people. It’s NOT dozens of awards. It’s one of a very few MEDALS. Why the pejorative? I think you have nominated yourself out of being the right person to assess this entry.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.62.83.190 (talkcontribs) FOLLOW-ON: ok I get that I should not comment on other editors. Sorry, I am new to Wikipedia. However, as someone that works in optics I find the comment “It's doubtful whether any one of them is notable in itself” to be pejorative. Our awards and our field is important. Many optics researchers have won Nobel prizes, like Dennis Gabor. And two of the Land Medalists. I think wiki “super-editors” or whatever they are called should exercise better discretion, and should also be accountable. Just MHO. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:100c:b028:135e:78b6:f7d8:ed19:b479 (talkcontribs)
Should you comment on any other articles for deletion, it's better to just present the arguments for your opinion without attacking other editors. Schazjmd (talk) 21:29, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
I understand you feel strongly about this. The question isn't whether the award is important or not, and has nothing to do with whether the recipients are notable. This is a discussion on whether the award itself is notable in the very specific Wikipedia sense (not the common meaning of the term "notable"). The guideline on notability explains it in some detail, but the short version is: has the topic received significant coverage by reliable, independent sources? That's why you see editors in the discussion talking about what they found for sources, and that's the type of information that you need to support your argument. (Also, please end your comments with four tildes ~~~~ so your signature is included, thanks!) Schazjmd (talk) 22:54, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
Note to the IP: Please sign your posts using four tildes: ~~~~. Also, please don't cast duplicate WP:!VOTEs, like you 'keep' comments above, and don't try to hard-code an an IP address (especially an incorrect one), like you did in this post[11]. Better yet, consider creating an account. Nsk92 (talk) 09:53, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Hello I cast only one vote. Why did you write that? And it took me 30 minutes to figure out how. What does hard code an IP address mean? I’m lost. I don’t want an account. I read Wikipedia like 10 times a day but don’t want to learn it’s programming language. Anyway, the only science awards that get in the mainstream news are called Nobel, Fields, Turing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:100C:B028:135E:78B6:F7D8:ED19:B479 (talk) 16:03, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

See my response at Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Edwin H. Land Medal. Nsk92 (talk) 23:31, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
although could also have been a friend/colleague? Coolabahapple (talk) 00:06, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
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  • Keep, meets WP:GNG, article now has sources that reflects this (thanks to above editors). Coolabahapple (talk) 00:10, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Keep, The subject is notable and has enough coverage to pass WP:GNG. Alex-h (talk) 10:08, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 18:38, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

List of devices with Gorilla Glass[edit]

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This is just a list of "products using another product" and really is just marketing material. There's not much encyclopedic value to such a cross reference, and therefore serves as only promotion. Lots of red links, very few references. Never current. Fails at least WP:NOTPROMOTION, WP:NOTCATALOG, WP:RAWDATA. Mikeblas (talk) 17:03, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

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  • Delete per nomination. Not encyclopedic whatsoever. Ajf773 (talk) 18:20, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Delete Blatant advertising, per nom. Reywas92Talk 18:32, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Delete Unique when it came out...but in 2019 unless you have your own internal glass blend or perish the thought, use regular glass or plastic on your screen, you're using Gorilla Glass. It's basically an Android-standard feature at this point in a de facto form. Nate (chatter) 04:27, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. No prejudice against the creation of biographies on members of this family that may individually be notable. Vanamonde (Talk) 22:49, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Hasan family[edit]

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Complete vanity page, zero notability of the family and only two individual have wiki pages. Nothing found to support notability claims and the article itself has only one citation. Individual members may be notable but not the family. Vinegarymass911 (talk) 16:47, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

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  • Comment Can any of this be noted on Hassan disambiguation page? Govvy (talk) 22:31, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
  • comment: the article was created by SPA Nhasan89. A clear COI. —usernamekiran(talk) 02:14, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Delete - a couple of people in this family may be notable, (but from a quick look their references look pretty sketchy), but even if they are notable, WP:BIOFAMILY says that notablility cannot be inherited by the whole family - there are definitely WP:COI issues with the SPA article creator and the language of the article is shamelessly promotional ("esteemed Bangladeshi family", "contributed exceptionally" WP:NOTPROMOTION), the language could be cleaned up, but the article would still not be notable - does not meet WP:BASIC or WP:ANYBIO as there is no significant coverage of the family in multiple reliable secondary sources - the Biographical Encyclopedia of Pakistan is available online through Google books; a search revealed that there are people named Hasan and Hassan in there, but I could not identify any of them as members of the Hasan family of the article - Epinoia (talk) 01:42, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
    • Since the Hasan family in this article is from Bangladesh the Biographical dictionary of Pakistan has no relevance.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:29, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment - the Biographical dictionary of Pakistan is cited as a source in the article - Epinoia (talk) 17:35, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment The fact we lack an article on Ubaydul Hasan who was a Grand Vizier in an indepdent state, shows how Amero-centric and presentist Wikipedia is. He is clearly without question notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:28, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Delete as failing WP:GNG. For a page to survive we need suitable coverage of the family itself, rather than just individual members, and we don't have that. 2A02:C7F:4481:8300:90DC:E235:5074:54B0 (talk) 19:45, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 16:18, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Daniella Rush[edit]

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Just another porn-related BLP without any independent reliable sourcing or any legitimate assertion of notability. Negligible reliably sourced biographical content. Only claims of notability are porn industry honorifics, which no longer count toward notability. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006. (talk) 15:39, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

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  • Delete No indication of notability outside of, and even within p-industry.--Darwinek (talk) 22:22, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Vanamonde (Talk) 22:49, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Erica Fontes[edit]

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Just another porn-related BLP without any independent reliable sourcing or any legitimate assertion of notability. No independently sourced biographical content - virtually no biographical content at all. Only claim to notability is a short list of porn industry honors, which no longer count towards notability. PROD removed by SPA without article improvement. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006. (talk) 15:23, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

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  • Comment She pops up on Google News all over the place in Portuguese publications. Not understanding Portuguese, it's hard to evaluate whether those sources are reliable to satisfy the GNG, even using Google Translate. Morbidthoughts (talk) 23:39, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Delete not enough reliable sourcing to show notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 06:28, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Fenix down (talk) 16:02, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Hungary–Slovakia football rivalry[edit]

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Why is this rivalry noteworthy? The article is more about geopolitics than football, incidentally. TheLongTone (talk) 14:21, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

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  • Delete As the article currently stands, it's more of a stub about the history of the two countries, and nothing about the football. Unless someone can improve this to make it actually about the sport, then this isn't needed. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 15:26, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Better? PALIO10 20:27, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
I only see six matches & one incident i'm afraid.TheLongTone (talk) 08:55, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Delete I don't see how this passes basic WP:GNG. Govvy (talk) 22:38, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
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  • Delete - no evidence of notability. GiantSnowman 09:48, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Delete - When did Hungarians and Slovaks ever consider themselves rivals in international football? Back in 1957, when Hungary and Czechoslovakia were competing in World Cup Finals? They've only ever played six official matches. SIX GAMES TOTAL! Plus, it only talks about a riot in a Slovak football match and not any salty or memorable meetings between the Slovak and Hungarian national teams, like in Germany–Netherlands or Argentina–England. Perhaps if there was some semblance of history, I really wouldn't give any opinion on it, but clearly there isn't and this is just an article about ethnopolitics and crazy football fans in Eastern Europe. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 00:09, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Delete - I can't see how this page passes WP:GNG as a quick search doesn't really give us any results. HawkAussie (talk) 03:33, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Keep We have a bunch of rivalries for England, Spain, France... Why not the second biggest rivalry for Hungary? Ludost Mlačani (talk) 07:18, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
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The result was keep. RL0919 (talk) 16:10, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Kenneth Fisher (educationalist)[edit]

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This person was a school headmaster and the father of a notable naturalist. But notability is not inherited, so what do we have to establish his personal notability? An obituary in The Times of 1945, and a short entry in the Who was who. Fails WP:BASIC, not to mention WP:NACADEMIC. — JFG talk 14:14, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

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  • Keep. I added some references. There is a whole chapter about him in a book. As well, being listed in the British Who's Who or the collection of articles about deceased listees, Who Was Who is a strong indicator of notability. So is an obituary in a national newspaper such as The Times. Eastmain (talkcontribs) 23:27, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Keep. Obits and Who's Who clinch it. Xxanthippe (talk) 06:35, 12 September 2019 (UTC).
  • Keep. In addition to the sources mentioned above, there is also a (freely available online) published obituary in Ibis. This obit contains detailed bio info that can be used to expand the article without dealing with various paywalls and offline sources. I have added a ref to the article. Satisfies WP:BIO and WP:GNG. Nsk92 (talk) 09:38, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 23:40, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Triangle Film Company[edit]

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Sources are about films / shows this company has produced, not about the company. I can't find any solid sources focusing on the company to meet WP:NCORP / WP:GNG and notability is not inherited. Ravensfire (talk) 13:51, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

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The result was delete. Lacking enough references with both independence and depth to satisfy WP:NCORP. RL0919 (talk) 16:12, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Pizzeria Venti[edit]

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small non notable restaurant chain. refs are either general articles on pizza or annoucements of restaurant openings DGG ( talk ) 04:32, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

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  • Keep. I expanded the references, which now seem to be a mix of relevant news stories and reviews of individual restaurants. The company no longer maintains a website, preferring to use a Facebook page instead. I think notability is established through references from multiple reliable sources and from the fact that this chain emphasizes quality (with correspondingly higher prices) compared to other pizza chains. Eastmain (talkcontribs) 06:42, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Weak keep Seems to have a sufficient number of reliable sources. Trillfendi (talk) 16:31, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. Ktrimi991 (talk) 10:23, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
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  • Delete per nom. Fails WP:SIGCOV is a upcoming small restaurant chain and does not appear to have even a website rare for a chain in the United States.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 13:35, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Delete Bogus reasoning Keep !votes above I think notability is established through references from multiple reliable sources and from the fact that this chain emphasizes quality (with correspondingly higher prices) compared to other pizza chains. First, there must be multiple (ie at least two) sources that meet the criteria for establishing notability. So if one reference is in-depth (meets WP:CORPDEPTH) but is based on an interview with an owner (failed WP:ORGIND) and another reference is the opposite, is written by a journalist and contains Independent Content (meets WP:ORGIND) but only describes the pizza that is served in the restaurant (fails WP:CORPDEPTH), you don't combine both and say they count towards notability. Also, whether they emphasize quality has nothing to do with notability. An examination of the references in the article (and book) and the references mentioned in the previous AfD shows that not a single one meets the criteria for establishing notability. Most are based on announcements or interviews (fails ORGIND) or inclusions in a list or mentions-in-passing (fails CORPDEPTH). I am unable to locate any references that meet the criteria for establishing notability - topic fails GNG and WP:NCORP. HighKing++ 19:19, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 16:14, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Laura Angel[edit]

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Just another porn-related BLP without any independent reliable sourcing or any legitimate assertion of notability. All biographical content is unsourced. Porn industry awards no longer count towards notability. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006. (talk) 12:55, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

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  • Delete No indication of notability outside of, and even within p-industry.--Darwinek (talk) 22:25, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Delete. A won-awards-but-lacks-nontrivial-RS-coverage porn bio. Would not have passed the last version of WP:PORNBIO before it was superseded. Nothing to support WP:BASIC or WP:ENT notability. • Gene93k (talk) 01:57, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Delete It is so good that we no longer give undue weight to the huge number of awards the pornography industry turns out in a PR camapaign.John Pack Lambert (talk) 06:48, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
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The result was merge to List of cosmic entities in Marvel Comics. RL0919 (talk) 16:25, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Numinus[edit]

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The result was speedy delete as a blatant copyright violation of copyrighted non-free (″Copyright © 1999-2019 E-Pao! All Rights Reserved″) content. Uncle G (talk) 13:10, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Jayenta Loukrakpam[edit]

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  • Copyvio from this [[12]].
  • Provided weak references (biography and artist profiles) with no clear mention of importance why he might be notable. Fails WP:GNG, WP:BIO and WP:NSINGER
  • Author do not resolve the issue, instead engaged in edit warring.
  • Article was previously deleted on 2016 as per WP:A7 and on 2011 as per WP:A3 as per deletion log
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Don't make other users contributions as nothing. References are there. Newspapers are there to show that He is a singer. How to block this user-Wakowako Taging unnecessary. Tapta is another popular name of Loukrakpam Jayenta. Awangba Mangang (talk) 12:22, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

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The result was redirect to List of cosmic entities in Marvel Comics. RL0919 (talk) 12:32, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Mistress Love[edit]

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The result was keep. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 18:37, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Yevhen Chernenko[edit]

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While accomplished, doesn't meet WP:GNG, and can't see where he meets any of the requirements of WP:NACADEMIC. Initially, according to Google scholar, he has a citation count of "0", which is not what one would expect of "an internationally renowned expert on Scythian archaeology". Was deprodded, with an explanation on the article talk page. However, there are two issues with the explanation, first, it claims that the worldcat link shows that he is widely cited. Unless I'm reading it wrong (which is always a possibility), it doesn't show that. It does show how many of his works are in different libraries around the world. Even if I'm incorrect and the publication timeline is quotations, that's still not a very high citation count. Second I did the same search using the name variants on the talk page, and while I did not get zero citations, the high was 25, with most in the 5-10 range. Onel5969 TT me 12:00, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

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  • Keep per WP:NACADEMIC (1). Historian Renate Rolle notes that Chernenko's "large-scale investigations" have led to important new developments in the study of Scythian warfare.[13] Chernenko's work is cited extensively in numerous quality sources, such as The Cambridge Ancient History.[14][15] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Krakkos (talkcontribs)
  • Keep. Google Scholar and citation metrics aren't good tools for assessing the notability of a scholar who primarily worked a) in the humanities b) in Russian and Ukrainian and c) before the internet. But Chernenko still has a high h-index for archaeology and multiple works cited over 100 times. WorldCat is more useful – we often use library holdings as an indicator of notability in monograph-heavy fields, and Chernenko's works are widely held in libraries around the world. On top of that you have the sources given by Krakkos above and many additional sources in Russian citing his work [16][17]. Altogether I would say this is a clear pass of WP:PROF#C1. – Joe (talk) 11:28, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
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The result was redirect to List of cosmic entities in Marvel Comics. Editors are welcome to incorporate additional description into the list article as ordinary editorial action. RL0919 (talk) 12:06, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Kronos (comics)[edit]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 18:36, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

An Góilín[edit]

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Subject is a relatively small non-profit group (a singing-circle or club) who meet occasionally in the bar/function-room of the Irish National Teachers' Organisation building in Dublin. While the club may have niche notability in a limited sphere, I don't see how WP:CLUB or WP:GNG is met. In terms of:

  • WP:GNG, a search for sources only seems to return limited passing coverage in a few reliable sources. Like this Irish Times piece which talks about the "40th anniversary of the founding of the vibrant weekly singing circle, An Góilín Traditional Singer’s Club". However, this Irish Times piece, as with much of the other coverage I can find, is just a passing mention. (In an "event listing" which covers 4 or 5 other events/performances.) Similar coverage, where I can find it, seems to have the same issue.
  • WP:CLUB, it would seem that the group's scope is not "national or international in scale", and that it is not a "nationally well-known local organization".
  • WP:NOTINHERITED, it would seem that some members/visitors to the club (like Christy Moore) may themselves be notable. But that notability doesn't "transfer".
  • WP:BAND, while some of the club/group's events have been recorded and released (as albums?), none of these releases would seem to have had material chart success. Or otherwise met the criteria which might meet the criteria for a band or ensemble.

I have tried to find sources to support a claim. But I just don't see how this non-profit music club meets project notability guidelines... Guliolopez (talk) 11:17, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

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The result was delete. If somebody feels the need to re-create this as a redirect, that's fine, but I don't see any consensus here to do that, so I'm not making that part of the close. -- RoySmith (talk) 12:58, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Umbrella Entertainment[edit]

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No independent evidence of notability, most significant contributions appear to have come from related parties. Scott Davis Talk 11:14, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

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  • Redirect to List of film distributors by country#Australia. It exists, but I could not find more than passing mentions in search results to establish notability. Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 12:07, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Redirect per Erik and WP:CHEAPDelete: I tried looking for WP:CORPDEPTH type coverage, but couldn't really find anything that came close other than an If Magazine article that I added as an external link. There's lots of primary sources and press releases, and even perhaps so WP:UGC type film fan website coverage, but most of it seems to be more about the movies the company are releasing than the actual company itself. Whatever COI editing there might have been seems to have been cleaned up pretty well, but it's the problem with WP:NCORP that might be too hard to overcome. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:02, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
    • I've changed !vote to "delete" after further consideration. While I can understand the argument in favor of redirecting this, simply adding a WP:REDLINK to a list article is not really good practice per WP:CSC unless there's a real possibility of a viable article being created per WP:REDYES. I've tried to find something which might reasonably indicate such a thing, but haven't; so, I think that at best this is a case of WP:TOOSOON, but most likely is a case of WP:NRV. All of the other entries in List of film distributors by country do seem to have their own stand-alone articles (maybe some shouldn't) and it would seem like a bad idea to start doing so just for this company. So, unless a better target article for a redirect can be found, I think that this shouldn't really be kept. A good target article for redirecting this would perhaps be an article about the company's founder Jeff Harrison, but he, like the company, doesn't appear Wikipedia notable in his own right to support a stand-alone article. So, unless there are particular notability criteria specific to this type of company, I don't see it meeting the more general NCORP. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:37, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Delete Redirect I was unable to find any reliable source about the company, rather than the movies. I was indecisive about redirect - the list doesn't include redlinks or unlinked distributors, but there a couple of hundred links that would turn red by a delete, inviting an editor to recreate the article. Find bruce (talk) 23:34, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
WP:DGFA#On deleting pages#9 says that if the article is deleted and shouldn't be expected to be recreated, the links should be removed too. I have not looked carefully at whether the (unlinked) text is useful to keep or whether the link should be completely removed in most cases. Are film distribution company articles ever useful and well-referenced? --Scott Davis Talk 13:13, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
Thanks Scott Davis, on that basis I have struck my support for redirect - if a reader followed that link they would expect to find something about the film distributor, not other unrelated film distributors. I haven't been through every link, but a broad sample shows them to be along the lines of (1) "... was released on DVD by Umbrella Entertainment in ..." eg Green Card (film), (2) incuded in a table eg List of films banned in Australia or (3) included in an infobox eg Not Quite Hollywood. Each of the ones I have looked at would appear to be useful if the unlinked text was kept. Find bruce (talk) 03:22, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Delete per Find bruce/Marchjuly. Lupin VII (talk) 05:18, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Merge into Madman Entertainment as a separate section, with heavy cuts. There was some association between the two, see this for example. They have been involved in the distribution of a lot of arthouse/foreign DVDs in Australia. Meticulo (talk) 02:52, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Merge as above as does have some rs coverage such as if magazine Atlantic306 (talk) 21:34, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 12:09, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Mazdak Rostami[edit]

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