Wikipedia:Categories for discussion

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
  (Redirected from Wikipedia:CFD)
Jump to navigation Jump to search

Administrator instructions

XFD backlog
  Jan Feb Mar Apr TOTAL
CfD 2 5 41 39 87
TfD 0 0 45 42 87
AfD   0
MfD   7

Categories for discussion (CfD) is the central venue for discussing specific proposals to delete, merge, rename or split categories and stub types in accordance with the guidelines for categorization, category naming and stub articles.

For detailed instructions about using CfD, see "How to use CfD" below. Briefly, nominations are handled through one of two processes:

  1. Speedy renaming and merging, for uncontroversial proposals that meet specified criteria—see "Speedy renaming and merging" below.
  2. Full discussion, for all other proposals. Discussions typically remain open at least seven days and are closed once a rough consensus has formed or no objections to the nomination are raised.

Except in uncontroversial cases such as reverting vandalism, do not amend or depopulate a category once it has been nominated at CfD as this hampers other editors' efforts to evaluate a category and participate in the discussion.

When a category is renamed or merged with another category, in limited circumstances it may be helpful to leave an instance of the {{Category redirect|...}} template on the category's former page. See "Redirecting categories" below for more information.

Wikipedia:Move review can be used to contest the outcome of a CfD request that is limited in scope to renaming, as long as all steps are followed. If a discussion on the request closer's talk page does not resolve an issue, then a move review will evaluate the close of a CfD move discussion to determine whether or not the close was reasonable and consistent with the spirit and intent of common practice, policies, and guidelines. CfDs involving deletion should be reviewed at Wikipedia:Deletion review.


Scope[edit]

CfD is intended only for specific proposals to delete, merge, rename or split categories or stub types. For general discussion about how to improve the category system, use other appropriate venues such as Wikipedia talk:Categorization, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Categories, and any relevant WikiProjects' talk pages.

Current discussions[edit]

Add a new entry


Discussions awaiting closure[edit]

XFD backlog
  Jan Feb Mar Apr TOTAL
CfD 2 5 41 39 87
TfD 0 0 45 42 87
AfD   0
MfD   7

See also the list of individual discussions awaiting closure here and the list of full open discussions awaiting closure here.


How to use CfD[edit]

Nomination procedure[edit]

Twinkle[edit]

You may use Twinkle to facilitate CfD nominations. To install Twinkle, go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets and check "Twinkle" in the "Browsing" section. Use the now-installed "XfD" (Nominate for deletion) tab while viewing the page you want to nominate.

Twinkle only allows you to nominate a single category. For bundled nominations including multiple categories, or if you prefer not to use Twinkle, follow the manual steps below.

Manual nominations[edit]

I
Preliminary steps.

Before nominating a category:

In the following special cases:

For further information, see Wikipedia:Categorization and Wikipedia:Manual of Style.

II
Edit the category.

Add one of the following templates at the beginning of the category page (not the talk page) of every category to be discussed. For nominations involving large numbers of categories, help adding these templates can be requested here.

If the category is a candidate for speedy renaming or merging, use {{subst:cfr-speedy|Proposed name}} and follow the instructions at the Speedy page.
Otherwise, if nominating a single category:
If nominating a group of related categories, use a bundled nomination:
  • For deleting, use {{subst:cfd|CfD section name}}
  • For merging, use {{subst:cfm|Other category|CfD section name}}
  • For renaming, use {{subst:cfr|Proposed name|CfD section name}}
  • For splitting, use {{subst:cfs|Proposed name 1|Proposed name 2|CfD section name}}
  • For converting the category into a list, {{subst:cfl|Proposed name|CfD section name}}
  • For other options (containerization, etc.), use {{subst:cfd|type=nature of proposed discussion|CfD section name}} (see Template:Cfd/doc#Optional parameter)
  • Include "CfD", "CfM", "CfR", "CfS" or "CfL" in the edit summary, and do not mark the edit as minor. Preview before saving.
  • To add the template for previous nomination days, use the "full" version of the template by appending "full" to the template name, i.e. {{cfd full}}, {{cfm full}}, {{cfr full}}, {{cfs full}} and {{cfl full}}. Use the |day=, |month= and |year= parameters to make the banner link to the correct CfD page.
  • Consider adding {{subst:cfd-notify|Category name|2019 April 17|CfD section name}} ~~~~ to the talk page of the category's creator.
  • For details about these templates, see each template's documentation.
III
Create the CFD section.

Click THIS LINK to edit the section of CfD for today's entries.

Follow the instructions (visible in edit mode) to copy and paste one of the templates below. When inserting category names into these template's parameters, except the text= parameter, omit the Category: prefix and do not use wikilinks, as the template takes care of this.

If nominating a single category:
  • For deleting, use {{subst:cfd2|Obsolete category|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed deletion. ~~~~}}
  • For merging, use {{subst:cfm2|Origin category|Destination category|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed merge. ~~~~}}
  • For renaming, use {{subst:cfr2|Current category|Proposed name|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed rename. ~~~~}}
  • For splitting, use {{subst:cfs2|Current category|Proposed category 1|Proposed category 2|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed split. ~~~~}}
  • For converting the category into a list, use {{subst:cfc2|Current category|Proposed article|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed conversion. ~~~~}}
  • For other options (containerization, etc.), use {{subst:cfd2|Current category|type=other type|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed conversion. ~~~~}}
For a bundled nomination, use one of the standard templates to build the "Cfd section name" for the first nominated category. After saving that, the second and subsequent nominations must be inserted manually, as follows:
==== Cfd section name ====
* 1st category
* 2nd category [Make clear whether you propose deletion, merging or renaming]
* Your reason for nominating the categories, and signature.
  • If a bundled nomination is too long, consider using {{hidden}} to hide some of the nominated categories.
  • In your reason, use links if mentioning articles or categories. To link to a category, use the colon trick by adding a colon (:) to the beginning of the link, e.g. [[:Category:Foo]].
  • Preview before saving to check that your nomination is formatted correctly, and remember to include your signature at the end of the nomination.

Stub types[edit]

I
Preliminary steps.

In general, a stub type consists of a stub template and a dedicated stub category. Before nominating a stub type for deletion, merging or renaming:

  • Read and understand guidance for creating stub types and stub type naming conventions.
  • Review the list of existing stub types—be advised, this list may not be comprehensive.
  • If you wish to:
    • Create a new stub type—follow the procedure for proposing new stub types.
    • Delete, merge or rename a stub category only, without deleting or renaming the associated stub template—follow the instructions above this section.
    • Delete or rename a stub template—continue to section II.
II
Edit the template.

Add one of the following tags at the beginning of the template to be discussed.

  • For deletion, {{subst:sfd-t|Section name}}
  • For renaming, {{subst:sfr-t|Proposed name|Section name}}
  • Please include "SFD" or "SFR" in the edit summary, and don't mark the edit as minor. Preview before saving.
  • Consider notifying the template's creator on their talk page. To find the contributor, check the page history of the stub template.
III
Create the CFD section.

Click THIS LINK to edit the section of CfD for today's entries.

Follow the instructions (visible in edit mode) and paste the following text (remember to update TemplateName, ProposedName and Reason):

For {{Sfd-t}}, use:

==== Template:TemplateName ====
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lt|TemplateName}}
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Reason. ~~~~

For {{Sfd-r}}, use:

==== Template:TemplateName ====
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[Template:TemplateName]] to [[Template:ProposedName]] 
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Reason. ~~~~
  • In your rationale, mention how many articles currently use the template to help other editors. When linking to a category in your rationale, always add a colon (:) to the beginning of the link, like [[:Category:Foo]]. This makes a category link that can be seen on the page, and avoids putting this page into the category you are nominating.
  • Preview before saving to check that your nomination is formatted correctly, and remember to include your signature at the end of the nomination.

Notifying interested projects and editors[edit]

In addition to the steps listed above, you may choose to invite participation by editors who are likely to be informed about a nominated category. All such efforts must comply with Wikipedia's guideline against biased canvassing. In addition, to help make your messages about the CfD discussion clear, avoid Wikipedia-specific abbreviations, link to relevant policies or guidelines, and link to the discussion itself.

Notifying related WikiProjects

WikiProjects consist of groups of editors who are interested in a particular subject. If a nominated category is within the scope of one or more WikiProjects, consider adding a brief, neutral note on their talk page(s) about the nomination. You may use {{subst:cfd-notify|Category name|2019 April 17|CfD section name}} ~~~~ or write a personalized message.

Tagging the nominated category's talk page with a relevant WikiProject's banner will include the category in that WikiProject's Article Alerts if they subscribe to the system. For instance, tagging a nominated category with {{WikiProject Physics}} will add the discussion to Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Article alerts.

Notifying substantial contributors to the category

While not required, it is generally considered courteous to notify the good-faith creator and main contributors of the category that you are nominating for discussion. To find the creator and main contributors, check the category's page history or talk page. You may use {{Cfd-notify}} to inform the category's creator and {{Cfdnotice2}} for all other editors.

Notifying other interested editors

It may be helpful to invite other subject-matter experts by posting a message on the talk page of the most closely related article, such as Protein family for Category:Protein families. You may use {{Cfdnotice}} for this.

Closing procedure[edit]

After seven days, someone will close the discussion according to the consensus that formed or, if needed, relist it to allow more discussion. Editors closing discussions must follow the administrator instructions and, except in the case of a "keep" or "no consensus" outcome, implement the result or log it at the Working page to ensure it is implemented.

Redirecting categories[edit]

In general, an unpopulated category should be deleted (see speedy deletion criterion C1) because it is not useful for navigation and sorting. In limited circumstances, and because categories cannot be redirected using "hard" redirects (i.e. #REDIRECT[[''target'']]), we use a form of "soft redirect" to solve the issue. You can "create" a category redirect by adding {{Category redirect|target}} to the category page. Bots patrol these categories and move articles into the "redirect" targets.

In particular, category redirects are used at the former category name when we convert hyphens into en dashes (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relationsCategory:Canada–Russia relations). It is also helpful to set up category redirects from titles with plain letters (i.e. characters on a standard keyboard) where the category names include diacritics.

A list of redirected categories is available at Category:Wikipedia soft redirected categories.

Speedy renaming and merging

Speedy renaming or speedy merging of categories may be requested only if they meet a speedy criterion, for example WP:C2D (consistency with main article's name) or WP:C2C (consistency with established category tree names). Please see instructions below.

  1. Determine which speedy criterion applies
  2. Tag category with {{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}}
  3. List request along with speedy criteria reason under "Current requests" below on this page

Please note that a speedy request must state which of the narrowly defined criteria strictly applies. Hence, any other non-speedy criteria, even "common sense" or "obvious", may be suitable points but only at a full discussion at WP:Categories for discussion.

Request may take 48 hours to process after listing if there are no objections. This delay allows other users to review the request to ensure that it meets the speedy criteria for speedy renaming or merging, and to raise objections to the proposed change.

Categories that qualify for speedy deletion (per Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion, e.g. "patent nonsense", "recreation") can be tagged with the regular speedy tags, such as {{db|reason}} with no required delay. Empty categories can be deleted if they remain empty 7 days after tagging with {{db-empty}}. Renaming under C2E can also be processed instantly as it is a variation on G7.

Contested speedy requests become stale, and can be un-tagged and de-listed after 7 days of inactivity. Optionally, if the discussion may be useful for future reference, it may be copied to the category talk page, with a section heading and {{moved discussion from|[[WP:CFDS]]|2=~~~~}}. If the nominator wants to continue the process, it may be requested regularly at WP:Categories for discussion (CfD) in accordance with its instructions.

Speedy criteria[edit]

The category-specific criteria for speedy renaming, or merging are strictly limited to:

C2A: Typographic and spelling fixes[edit]

  • Correction of spelling errors and capitalization fixes. Differences between British and American spelling (e.g. Harbours → Harbors) are not considered errors; however if the convention of the relevant category tree is to use one form over the other then a rename may be appropriate under C2C. If both spellings exist as otherwise-identical category names, they should be merged.
  • Appropriate conversion of hyphens into en dashes or vice versa (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations).

C2B: Consistency with established Wikipedia naming conventions and practices[edit]

C2C: Consistency with established category tree names[edit]

Bringing a category into line with established naming conventions for that category tree, or into line with the various "x by y", "x of y", or "x in y" categorization conventions specified at Wikipedia:Category names

  • This should be used only where there is no room for doubt that the category in question is being used for the standard purpose instead of being a potential subcategory.
  • This criterion should be applied only when there is no ambiguity or doubt over the existence of a category naming convention. Such a convention must be well defined and must be overwhelmingly used within the tree. If this is not the case then the category in question must be brought forward to a full Cfd nomination.
  • This criterion will not apply in cases where the category tree observes distinctions in local usage (e.g. Category:Transportation in the United States and Category:Transport in the United Kingdom).

C2D: Consistency with main article's name[edit]

  • Renaming a topic category to match its eponymous page (e.g. Category:The Beatles and The Beatles).
  • This applies only if the related page's current name (and by extension, the proposed name for the category) is unambiguous, and uncontroversial – either because of longstanding stability at that particular name, or because the page was just moved (i) after a page move discussion resulted in explicit consensus to rename, or (ii) unilaterally to reflect an official renaming which is verified by one or more citations (provided in the nomination). If the page names are controversial or ambiguous in any way, then this criterion does not apply, even if an article is the primary topic of its name.
  • This criterion also does not apply if there is any ongoing discussion about the name of the page or category, or if there has been a recent discussion concerning any of the pages that resulted in a no consensus result.

C2E: Author request[edit]

  • This criterion applies only if the author of a category requests or agrees to renaming within six months of creating the category.
  • The criterion does not apply if other editors have populated or changed the category since it was created. "Other editors" includes bots that populated the category, but excludes an editor working with the author on the renaming.

Admin instructions[edit]

When handling the listings:

  1. Make sure that the listing meets one of the above criteria.
  2. With the exception of C2E, make sure that it was both listed and tagged at least 48 hours previously.
  3. Make sure that there are no oppositions to the listing; if there is a discussion, check if the opposing user(s) ended up withdrawing the opposition(s).

If the listing meets these criteria, simply have the category renamed - follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Administrator instructions, in the section "If the decision is Delete, Merge, or Rename"; to list it for the bots, use the Speedy moves section.

Applying speedy criteria in full discussions[edit]

  • A nomination to merge or rename, brought forward as a full CfD, may be speedily closed if the closing administrator is satisfied that:
    • The nomination clearly falls within the scope of one of the criteria listed here, and
    • No objections have been made within 48 hours of the initial nomination.
  • If both these conditions are satisfied, the closure will be regarded as having been as a result of a speedy nomination. If any objections have been raised then the CfD nomination will remain in place for the usual 7-day discussion period, to be decided in accordance with expressed consensus.

Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here[edit]

If the category and desired change do not match one of the criteria mentioned in C2, do not list it here. Instead, list it in the main CFD section.

If you are in any doubt as to whether it qualifies, do not list it here.

Use the following format on a new line at the beginning of the list:

* [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~

This will sign and datestamp an entry automatically.

Remember to tag the category with: {{subst:Cfr-speedy|New name}}

A request may be completed if it is more than 48 hours old; that is, if the time stamp shown is earlier than 15:33, 15 April 2019 (UTC). Currently, there are 66 open requests (refresh).


Current requests[edit]

Opposed requests[edit]

  • Category:People from the Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao to Category:People from Bangsamoro –C2D/C2C Newly inaugurated region replaced defunct region RioHondo (talk) 18:04, 30 March 2019 (UTC) 
    • Category:Populated places in the Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao to Category:Populated places in Bangsamoro
    • Category:Cities in the Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao to Category:Cities in Bangsamoro
    • Category:Municipalities of the Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao to Category:Municipalities of Bangsamoro
    • Category:Provincial governors in the Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao to Category:Provincial governors in Bangsamoro
    • Category:Politics of the Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao to Category:Politics of Bangsamoro
      The defunct region still has it's own article (Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao) and own categorys (Category:Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao so oppose these moves. Armbrust The Homunculus 18:19, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
      I can create new subcats for the new region it was replaced with, sure. But the above permcats would be emptied as no region can co-exist with another in the same territorial jurisdiction. The defunct article and few subcategories are kept for historical purpose and only those that pertain to its defunct government structure and political history. But the above People, Populated places, Politics, they continue under the new region.--RioHondo (talk) 20:09, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
    • Oppose. The dead ARMM existed. Someone who was alive during the ARMM days and is now dead can claim not to be from the Bangsamoro Region, and categorizing someone who is from not "that place" is outright false. The geographical extend of the ARMM and Bangsamoro (and indeed the ARMM during its existence) wasn't coterminous, so it wasn't a simple renaming. This like saying Pocahontas is from the United States. Howard the Duck (talk) 00:53, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
      • If ever this is sent to the usual CFD, I request the removal of the ARMM categories be reverted until there's consensus for renaming or deletion. Howard the Duck (talk) 00:57, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
        @Howard the Duck Yup, we can continue discussing this in CFD. But a person born between 1989 and 2018 who is from that region will be a hard find. Remember this only existed for less than 20 years, and so those people categorized as from being the ARMM are actually inacurrate, as i said you have to be born from August 1989 and Feb 26 2019 to be accurately categorized as such (which luckily we don't have, as the people from region category is just a container category with links to people by individual component province as we do most other regional people categories). All of the above permcats were container categories, no article really fell under any of them as we do articles per province here really. We don't do people by historical entities here either, cos if we did, many of those BLPs should have been categorized as from being Category:People from Moro Province or Category:People from the Department of Mindanao and Sulu. :)--RioHondo (talk) 06:31, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
        What are you talking about? People born between 1989 and 2018 in the ARMM number in the millions. People who satisfy the notability criteria reduces this, but there are still many people. This isn't reduced to people who were born in that time; you'd also include people who were living from 1989 to 2003. Now whether is this is a container or you'd actually categorize people in this category is another question, but that shouldn't be a factor on whether this should be renamed or not.
        "We don't do people by historical entities", but we can. It'll be interesting who were people who were living at the time Ambos Camarines was a thing. Howard the Duck (talk) 11:57, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
        Let's see...Do those young ISIL-linked combatants have WP articles? Of course, there are millions but we know regional BLPs are scarce around here, and especially from that troubled southern region. It will just be another unnecesarry layer in our already underpopulated people categories which we do by current provincial setup. Sure, we get one from Ambos Camarines, one for Sultanate of Maguindanao, a couple from Moro Province, and maybe nil for Lepanto-Bontoc and Kedatuan of Dapitan. These cats would just merged and/or deleted given the scarcity. I am also merely following what is already there, and your proposal will be just as bizarre as having a Category:People from Manila (province) and a Category:People from Bulacan (1578-1901) that includes people from Valenzuela at the time when Valenzuela was still not part of Metro Manila LOL. Again, Bangsamoro is basically still ARMM except that it added Cotabato City and a few other barangays like Metro Manila did with Valenzuela. And can you imagine having a Category:Populated places in Bulacan (1578-1901) that includes Valenzuela? That's messed up IMHO.--RioHondo (talk) 14:50, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
        See WP:SMALLCAT. Millions of people lived at the old ARMM, not just ISIL combatants. Even those rebels should be plentiful. The political dynasts are plentiful. Who knows we might even see sportspeople and celebrities. ISIL combatants are an infinitesimal percentage of the people who lived in the ARMM. We can have a category for Representatives from Lanao del Sur, categorized in both ARMM and BARMM. You could do the same for Ambos Camarines, Lepanto-Bontoc, Kedatuan of Dapitan, Maynila (province), which are all dissolved entities. We can even do a category of Kingdom of Maynila officeholders. Dunno about Bulacan as it's still existing. Several provinces annexed and lost tows in history, dunno how that compares to already dissolved entities such as the ARMM, as long categorization is concerned, which is what not I'm saying. Dunno how that bizarrely got into the conversation.
        • What is now Myanmar was once named Burma, and the majority of WP categories having to do with Burma were redirected to those encompassing Myanmar. While "Burma" is still used colloquially in some cases, the current, official name of the country is Republic of the Union of Myanmar. It seems to me that "people from ARRM" can just as easily be sorted as "people from [any province within the former ARMM]", thus avoiding any need for a category like "people from Bangsomoro". Just saying. Her Pegship (speak) 01:39, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
          Actually, Bangsamoro being the successor region is the one that has to have all these subcats whereas the ARMM should be treated from a historical perspective from this point. If the plebiscite didn't involve a somewhat different government structure and a little enlargement, this could have easily just been renamed or moved to the current name. But we are keeping the ARMM as a distinct historical entity but all the rest that does not pertain to its former political structure and history should fall under the new region. See this: https://armm.gov.ph--RioHondo (talk) 11:41, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
On hold pending other discussion[edit]
Don't you think the speedy could proceed as normal now again? PPEMES (talk) 15:27, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
Certainly not as nominated, since we have moved away from "sex abuse cases". Is it sufficiently clear what the new names should be? e.g. Category:Catholic Church child sexual abuse scandals in Australia? – Fayenatic London 11:31, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
Moved to full discussion[edit]
  • None currently

Ready for deletion[edit]

Check Category:Empty categories awaiting deletion for out of process deletions. In some cases, these will need to be nominated for discussion and the editor who emptied the category informed that they should follow the WP:CFD process.

Once the renaming has been completed, copy and paste the listing to the Ready for deletion section of Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Working/Manual.

Empty categories awaiting deletion[edit]

The categories listed below have been identified as empty using {{db-catempty}}, and will be speedily deleted after 7 days unless populated. (Note: Due to technical limitations, all contents of the category may not be displayed; view the category directly to see all contents.)

Bug report: lately it regularly happens that categories are staying here for unlimited time instead of being deleted after 7 days. More details see this discussion and this follow-up discussion.