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List of population centres in Alberta

Your list contains some inaccurate information. According to the Statistics Canada website, the population for the Population Centre of Calgary in the 2016 census was 1,237,656, not 1,598,793 as published in the article. I tried to make the change but could not figure out how to cite the reference.

Can someone please help with this?


Brenda B. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brenda Brochu (talkcontribs) 14:29, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

You mean 1,392,609 including the dwellings? I'm adding it right now.. (talk) 15:03, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
The easiest (but definitely not best) way to cite a reference is by writing <ref>The URL you want to cite</ref>. A more advanced way is by writing <ref>{{cite web |url= |title=Example |date=30 April 2005 |access-date=8 January 2019}}</ref>. The Date givan after date= is the date where the resource was published, the text after url= is the URL of it, title= contains the link title, respectively the title of that source, and access-date= the day where you retrieved it. For Instance: <ref>{{cite web |url= |title=Example link |date=30 April 2005 |access-date=8 January 2019}}</ref> will create [1]. Victor Schmidt (talk) 19:12, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
  1. ^ "Example link". 30 April 2005. Retrieved 8 January 2019.

New to Wiki and need help correcting misinformation.

Hello! Can someone please help me figure out what my options are?

I have been tasked with editing the One America News Network wiki page because there is information on there that is both opinion-based and untrue. I am new at this, so when I tried to edit out the untrue statements, it became an edit war - which I lost.

My goal is to help make sure the page has accurate statements and facts. I have no intention of removing any information that is, in fact, a fact.

How do I best go about this?

Thank you! KEpstein2012 (talk) 16:31, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Who has tasked you with this editing? Do you have a WP:Conflict of interest here? If you are employed by the subject of the article or are paid by them, then you need to comply with the terms of use (see WP:Paid for details). Are you also user:AbiliosBetters? Dbfirs 16:47, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

I am not employed by the company, no. I know some employees personally and was hoping to help. I also don't know the other users. --KEpstein2012 (talk) 17:00, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

... but it was user:AbiliosBetters who was involved in the edit war. Dbfirs 19:46, 8 January 2019 (UTC)


New message indicator - click the red or blue number to read alerts and notifications ,respectively

How do I clear my recent notifications? --Mstrojny (talk) 20:52, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Mstrojny welcome to the Teahouse. Because I've mentioned your name in my reply to you, you should see a red notification appear on any Wikipedia page you open. Click the red number over the bell symbol to get a drop-down list of those alerts, or the blue numbered symbol that appears over the 'Your notices' symbol (I always think it looks like a tiny grey cassette tape, not a message icon!). The most recent alerts or notifications will be at the top of the list that appears, each unread one with a blue dot beside it. Just click the blue dot clears the coloured notification symbol. If the number doesn't disappear, but stays grey in colour it' means you've opened the notification and read it, but haven't cleared it by clicking the blue dot. I hope I've explained that correctly - it's one of things we do so often that sometimes we forget precisely how we do it. I think it's roughly the same procedure in mobile view, but I've assumed here that you're using normal desktop view. You can read more about messaging people at Wikipedia:Notifications. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:49, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
Hello Nick Moyes, what I'm asking is how to clear my notifications so they don't appear when I click the bell icon. Mstrojny (talk) 11:01, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
Hello again, Mstrojny. OK. Assuming the bell icon is no longer indicating that you have any alerts, then I don't think there is a way to stop the last few alerts appearing when you click the bell icon other than by not clicking the bell icon! I've already explained above how to mark new alerts as read so that the bell icon doesn't show a number. So I think (and I'm willing to be corrected here) the only option you have is to reduce the type of alerts you receive in future. You can do this by going to Preferences (link at top of page), and clicking the 'Notification' tab. There you can choose how to receive various types of alert. Try this link. Let us know how you get on. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:19, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
Ok Nick Moyes, if I can't clear my notifications, then I just unchecked as much as I can in the Preferences. Hope we can talk soon! Mstrojny (talk) 19:52, 8 January 2019 (UTC)


Hello Wiki Friends,

We need your help here: we created a page for an artist in my Sandbox and tried to follow the guidelines/rules. So how can I make this page available for the Wikipedia community to see/assess and decide if it's ready to be added/linked to Wikipedia? We don't have. We don't have any experience with this, so pardon my ignorance ☺...

Thank you, look forward to your help,

Jeff — Preceding unsigned comment added by JeffOlan (talkcontribs) 09:46, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

@JeffOlan: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I notice that you use "we" above; accounts cannot be shared. When it comes time to, you can use Articles for Creation to submit your draft for review- but before you do that, you will need independent reliable sources to support its content. These are sources with significant coverage that are not affiliated with the artist in any way. You may want to read Your First Article.
If you work for or represent this musician, you will need to read and comply with the conflict of interest policy and the paid editing policy(the latter is a Wikipedia Terms of Use requirement if you are a paid editor). 331dot (talk) 09:51, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
In addition to the above comments which are very important to address, looks like you have created a draft Draft:Phil Friendly Trio and then have added to that in your Sandbox User:JeffOlan/sandbox. At both, no references. I suggest you copy the newer content into the draft and work on only that going forward. David notMD (talk) 14:47, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Update: JeffOlan has moved a draft into main space, still has the identical content as draft and in his sandbox. Article and its clones) have no citations, so Speedy Deletion proposed. David notMD (talk) 03:20, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

When will the PDF generator for WIkipedia Books be improved?

I'd like to generate some books that Wikipedia has on various topics but it says that the Book PDF Creator is out of service currently. Any new updates?

Thank you! --Aviartm (talk) 05:18, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Aviartm, welcome to the Teahouse. I'm terribly sorry you have had to wait for nearly two days for a reply to your question. It's a good one, and I wouldn't mind knowing the answer to it myself. May I link you to Wikipedia:Books, where I see there's a link to updates on the pdf generator saga at the top of the page. That link takes you here. Having skimmed through it, I'm not much clearer myself on when the new pdf generator will be up and running, though I hope it will be soon. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:08, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi Nick Moyes. That's ok. I was wondering what was taking long too. Thanks for the link and thank you for trying. --Aviartm (talk) 06:57, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

cannot save my draft

Cannot save my draft. I do not want to publish just save and it only allows me to publish?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lauraliguori (talkcontribs) 06:45, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi Lauraliguori. "Publish page" or "Publish changes" does not mean that your draft will be added to Wikipedia as an article; it just means that any changes, etc. you made during that particular editing session will be saved as either a new page in the same namespace or as a new version of the page you're editing. The button used to actually be "Save page" and "Save changes", but it was changed a few years back. If you want to make sure you know what you're saving, press "Show changes" first to check and then "Publish changes". For reference, "publishing a draft as an article" is requires that the page be WP:MOVED from the draft namespace to the article namespace. Now, if you're curious as to why the name of the button was made, you can read about it here and here .-- Marchjuly (talk) 07:05, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Long Running TV shows

I've wanted to contribute to lists about long running TV series a few times, and have added a few to ones sorted by number of episodes.

However with lists sorted by length of time I never know what the rules are.

For example if a show starts in 1980, finishes in 1990, starts again in 1995, and finishes again in 2010, is it classed as running for 30 years or 25 years?

To me it should be classed as only running for 25 years as it had a 5 year gap, and would be unfair on a show which had continuously been running for 29 years.

Same goes for shows which: 1 - Have only had a 1 year gap, as I think that single year shouldn't be part of the total. 2 - Have had multiple 1 (or more) year gaps between each series, as again I think they shouldn't be part of the total.

Danstarr69 (talk) 09:52, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

The best place to ask that question, which becomes a discussion point at the end, is WT:TV - X201 (talk) 09:57, 9 January 2019 (UTC)


How do I become an admin? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Junior 588 (talkcontribs) 03:50, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

You can apply at Wikipedia:RfA, but you likely will not be accepted, as you have little experience.WelpThatWorked (talk) 04:09, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
@Junior 588: I would add that you do not need to be an administrator to do 95% of the things to do here. The only difference between an administrator and a non-administrator is that the administrator has extra buttons that would be irresponsible to give to all users. 331dot (talk) 09:55, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

(Junior 588 (talk) 10:04, 9 January 2019 (UTC)) The Tswana wikipedia has info that is outdated me being an admin means that I can bring a huge difference to the wiki this is the wiki ...the main contains outdated info but I tried talking to the admin but it seems he doesn't want to listen — Preceding unsigned comment added by Junior 588 (talkcontribs) 10:05, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

This is English Wikipedia. We will not answer questions about Tswana Wikipedia. Thanks. Abelmoschus Esculentus (talkcontribs) 10:14, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Creating a Wikipedia Page

Hello, I was wondering if I would be able to make a Wikipedia page for a sound cloud rapper. This group is on iTunes, YouTube, Sound Cloud, and Spotify. Before making this page, I wanted to make sure this would be allowed or if it is not notable enough. They do not have many followers and are not big, but people would like it to be made. Would I be allowed to make this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by StankSinatra (talkcontribs) 01:30, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

@StankSinatra: Based on your description, it seems probably not. You can read WP:NMUSIC to see the guidelines. Also, remember that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not a platform for promotion. RudolfRed (talk) 01:44, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Hi StankSinatra. If you're able to establish that the rapper/group meets the criteria listed in Wikipedia:Notability (music)#Criteria for musicians and ensembles or the more general criteria listed in Wikipedia:Notability, then you could try and write the article yourself. It would probably be better to start out as a draft and then submit it for review via Wikipedia:Articles for creation if you're new to Wikipedia and not familiar with how to write an article. If, however, you're connected to the band in some way (see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest for more on this), then it would probably be best to let someone else write the article instead. You might be able to find someone to do this at Wikipedia:Requested articles. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:50, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
@StankSinatra: Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Sources outlines what sources are (and are not) considered reliable for music-related topics. Hope that helps. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 14:32, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Need to improve this article Millennials

Originally posted this on ANI, I was referred here :

The article seems entirely based on selective hate speeches regarding millennial. Any positive remarks of millennial are removed and only selective negative information are included , most of which are not factual but based on predictions. Also any user adding pictures of prominent millienals is shouted off by particular users who act like article owners, saying we are not allowed to add pictures, but the articles Generation X and Baby Boomers do allow pictures. The pictures on the article are ambiguous, claiming them to be millennial is original research. Yet if we add celebrity pictures of known millennial celebrities they say we are not allowed to. This article seems nothing but a hate friction, with useful information, totally violating NPOV and its sole goal is to make Millennial look inferior to Generation X based on what some "heroic Generation X users" wants included and does not want to be included. Just check the revision history and the talk page Talk:Millennials#Sports and fitness . Maybe I can do no better to improve it, but the why this article currently is, it is no more than a millennial hate fiction. SouthAsianGuy891 (talk) 14:07, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

The article talk page is the correct place to discuss the article. If a consensus can't be reached there, consider WP:3O or WP:DR. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:12, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
Note: OP is now blocked as a sock Special:Contributions/SouthAsianGuy891 --DBigXray 14:50, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

How to list a source for an original photograph

I am wondering if there needs to be a source listed for an original photograph of an inanimate object. IE I took a photograph of a french Canadian food dish called "poutine" that was made in the USA. I added the photograph under the section that speaks of the dish also served in the USA in some regions. It was deleted and the reason I was given was it needed a "citation". How would I put a citation for an original work? Thanks GWphotograph — Preceding unsigned comment added by GWphotograph (talkcontribs) 13:18, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

I suspect that the question of sourcing probably related to your statement in the caption, rather than to the photo as such, but you can ask the other editor. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:32, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
Welcome to the Teahouse, GWphotograph. I'd say that the "unsourced personal analysis" that Yamaguchi先生 referred to in the edit summary was almost certainly your caption, which stated "Poutine has also become common in areas near the Quebec USA border" without a source to support that claim. Cordless Larry (talk) 15:13, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Problem at the page If the Car Beside You Moves Ahead

I recently started the page If the Car Beside You Moves Ahead, but it contains no table of contents. Is there something I can do about it? MikeOwen discuss 15:36, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

WP:TOC explains that a TOC will be created automatically for any page with 4 or more sections. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:00, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Hello! I've been contracted to edit Georgia Van Cuylenburg's wikipedia page, but neither of us can upload photos.

They're photos of her, but taken by someone else-- is Wikipedia perhaps noticing that the photos are live somewhere else online, and blocking me from using them? We just need photos of her for the job to be completed, as well as references. Thanks so much!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by MatrimBloodyCauthon (talkcontribs) 17:32, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

@MatrimBloodyCauthon: Welcome to Wikipedia. You need to read WP:COI and WP:PAID. Any photos of living people need to be released under a free license. If you have a photo you can release this way, you may use the upload wizard at WP:UPLOAD to put the photo on commons and then it can be added to the article. RudolfRed (talk) 17:46, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
@MatrimBloodyCauthon: Wikipedia's paid editing disclosure rules require you to disclose who is paying you for your editing here. Please do so using the example in the message on your talk page.
Also, your edits are highly promotional and largely unsourced. We only allow material that is referenced by reliable and independent sources, and written from a neutral point of view. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 17:49, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

New Pages Feed

My new pages feed is not loading since two hours? is there any problem? Regards, AD Talk 17:39, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Special:NewPagesFeed looks fine to me. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:42, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
David Biddulph it's not working on mine. I don't know what's happening. It was fine before. AD Talk 18:29, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
I might suggest the usual help desk advice, to switch it off and on again. Also may be worth trying a different browser, & purging the cache. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:35, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
David Biddulph thanks it's working now after clearing cache. AD Talk 18:41, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Please help

How do I create a Wikipedia page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:21, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi there and welcome to the Teahouse! This page contains pretty much everything you need to know before creating an article. User:Ian.thomson/Howto may always be helpful for you, as it's much shorter than the first page I linked. Some of the most important things to remember when writing an article are: they must meet our notability guidelines, all material must be verified to reliable sources, everything must be written in an encyclopedic, not promotional, and neutral tone, and most importantly, do not copy material directly from external websites. To actually create an article, the best way is to use the Article Wizard, which will give you step-by-step instructions on how to create your draft. Unless you're registered and have had an account for more than 4 days and made at least 10 edits, you can't create articles directly in the mainspace, so you have to create them as drafts and once you're finished with one submit it for review. To submit a draft for review, add {{subst:submit}} to the bottom of it and a reviewer will eventually either accept it or decline it. I hope this helps you out and please let me know if you have any more questions. Cheers, --SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 19:33, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

pre-Greek-mythology constellation-naming conventions page

Wikipedia:WikiProject Archaeoastronomy sounds like an ideal term to cover alternate naming conventions for stars, is there a way to kickstart this project again? Middle-eastern land navigation, and Pasifikas wayfinding are two very likely candidates to have a large vocabularies of star names devoid of names known only to Greek and Roman mythology, and western astronomy circles. while there may be a host of other headings for this topic, the idea that Greece is younger than all of them is an easy unifying trait. Longpinkytoes (talk) 14:09, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

@Longpinkytoes: The link you've put at the very beginning is invalid – no such page exists. --CiaPan (talk) 14:48, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
it turns out Archaeoastronomy exists already (this section would have been my request its creation),
and that only the WikiProject page for Archaeoastronomy (the broken link) has been deleted.
Longpinkytoes (talk) 15:43, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
@Longpinkytoes: The link is not 'broken'. It is invalid. No such page exists or ever existed in Wikipedia. The valid link to the (no longer existing) project page would be either or Wikipedia:WikiProject Archaeoastronomy. --CiaPan (talk) 15:51, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
The project is discussed on the user talk page of the creator User talk:Eon The Sky. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:53, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

@CiaPan: i can't seem to find my way back to the index of all WikiProjects page to confirm whether using the link button corrupted the link or the link as copied from the index page was formatted incorrectly. fixed the problem with the link in my question though.--Longpinkytoes (talk) 19:46, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Moving an article to change the name

It appears that I erred in moving an article. It was for the article Emma J. Smith -- I tried to move it to change the article title to: Emma Smith (scholar) per the talk page. If someone could check this I'd appreciate it. Thank you. (It looks like I changed the name of her talk page.) Bitwixen (talk) 19:50, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

I have moved the talk page back where it belongs without leaving a redirect. You can move the article now. ~ GB fan 20:03, 9 January 2019 (UTC)


Are there any aircraft that have not been discussed on a wiki page? Just wondering Thanks in advance — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:07, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

There are likely many aircraft not included because of lack of notability or just because no one has created a page for it yet. WelpThatWorked (talk) 20:10, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia and thanks for wanting to make it better. Wikipedia:WikiProject_Aircraft/Missing_articles has a list of articles needed in this area. Read WP:YFA to get started. RudolfRed (talk) 20:15, 9 January 2019 (UTC)


How do you make a custom infobox? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimcrandell (talkcontribs) 20:51, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

You can find a suitable infobox at Wikipedia:List of infoboxes. What specifically are you looking for? WelpThatWorked (talk) 20:59, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Edits on Alpha Kappa Alpha Page


I was making an addition to the Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority wiki page within the "education" section of notable members. I was able to add the person but it changes the formatting and it no longer looks like the grid format like all the other sections. Can you please assist me in fixing it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lauradreid (talkcontribs) 21:12, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

I assume you meant List of Alpha Kappa Alpha sisters. If so, then PrimeHunter has fixed the error. Dbfirs 21:21, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi Lauradreid, welcome to the Teahouse. I have fixed five different errors.[1] You can use the "Show preview" button to check your edits before saving. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:25, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
dbfire PrimeHunterYes, thank you so much.

Regarding Georgia Van Cuylenburg Wiki page/Conflict of interest

Hello! Thank you for updating me on the Wikipedia rules, this was my first time I was asked to help someone create a page- it was only after I was finished that they said I should get something for my troubles, so I said "contracted" as it seemed correct. It wasn't a large sum of money. I couldn't figure out how to add the "paid" section, if I add that will anything be returned to her page? Otherwise, could I get someone's help for recreating her page, or am I not allowed to touch it now? Thank you for your help again. Matrim

Hello again, Matrim. Two administrative points before I answer you. First, when continuing a discussion on a page like this, please don't start a new section: go to the existing section and Edit it. Start your reply with one more colon (':') than the previous posting, and the software will indent it one stop further, so people can see the structure of the discussion. Secondly, on a talk or discussion page, please sign your posts with four tildes (~~~~). The software will replace this with your user name (with links to your user and user talk pages) and the time and date, which makes things easier for people to reply to you.
Now for your questions: WP:PAID explains that you should put a notice on at least one of your User page (User:MatrimBloodyCauthon - it doesn't exist yet, but you can create it), and the talk page of the article Talk:Georgia van Cuylenburg. I recommend putting it on both. WP:PAID#How to disclose explains how to do it. For your user page, Template:paid shows you how to use the template, with some examples of its use.
For the changes you want to make to the article: WP:PSCOI recommends that you suggest your changes on the talk page of the article: be as specific as you can, and provide references to published sources for any information you want to add - sources independent of the subject if possible. Then add the template {{edit request}} (with the double curly brackets) to that posting, and it will bring it to somebody's attention. Then a volunteer will examine your suggestion and decide whether to apply it, and whether it needs editing first. --ColinFine (talk) 22:34, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

How make an article on Wikipedia


I have been interested in making an article on wikipedia. I have no clue where to start and how to go about it. I need some serious help and guidelines to go by to post an article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KingDavidV (talkcontribs) 23:13, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

There are useful links in the welcome message on your user talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 23:16, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Template:Location of Earth

I recently moved this template from Template:Earth's location to Template:Location of Earth. There is also another template called Earth's location in the Universe. I was wondering whether this template should be moved to another title to maintain consistency with the article title or whether this template should be merged with Template:Location of Earth. If moving to another title is the best thing to do, what is the best title of the template? --Mstrojny (talk) 21:11, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi Mstrojny. The documentation at Template:Earth's location in the Universe says it's used as a subtemplate in five different templates so it certanly shouldn't be merged to one of them. I also see no reason to change the name to be more similar to one of them. I wouldn't have moved Template:Earth's location either. The old name worked and template names are not displayed to readers. A template move can cause confusion and usually requires a better reason than matching the title of one of dozens of articles displaying the template. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:42, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
PrimeHunter, is the current title OK or should it be moved back? --Mstrojny (talk) 21:52, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
@Mstrojny: You didn't move the documentation at Template:Earth's location/doc so {{Location of Earth}} doesn't currently display it, and the new name seems confusingly similar to the different {{LocationOfEarth}}. I think it should be moved back. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:55, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
@PrimeHunter: I just moved the pages back per your request above. See here. Mstrojny (talk) 23:39, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

My article on Stany GA has been rejected. He is the latest chess grandmaster of India.

I have added references from notable websites such as the international chess federation and The Hindu. Could you please help me with this? I'm still collecting all his tournament related information until then can I have the article published with basic information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bharathsharman007 (talkcontribs) 03:14, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Bharathsharman007. The references currently in Draft:Stany GA are not independent of him: one is a profile, and the other two are interviews. A Wikipedia article should be nearly all based on what people unconnected with the subject have chosen to write about them - if there isn't any such writing published, then the subject is not (currently) notable in Wikipedia's sense. --ColinFine (talk) 11:52, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
Also Bharathsharman007, you have to expand this article. You might want to include his early life, chess career, awards, etc. An example would be Viswanathan Anand's page. Although I do not expect that Stany G.A. page would be this lengthy, you can get an idea about the structure and what information to include. You should easily find the information you need if he has attracted notable coverage. Good luck! Darwin Naz (talk) 23:59, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

When will my edits show up? (updating old information)


I recently created my account to update my employer's Wikipedia page with more recent information, as the page had not been touched in quite some time. I can see on my end that changes have been made to update the article, but the public-facing article still shows the old content. What is required for my changes to be reflected publicly? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chantelcartercdu (talkcontribs) 00:15, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

@Chantelcartercdu: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Your edits were briefly in the article, but they were removed as it is a conflict of interest for you to edit about your employer. Please review the conflict of interest policy and the paid editing policy as there are some important declarations you need to make. You should avoid editing about your employer directly; instead you may make edit requests on the article talk page, for review by independent editors. 331dot (talk) 00:18, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Correction to Forward Energy wind

The nameplate capacity of this Wisconsin wind farm is 129 MW...Wikipedia incorrectly says 99 MW.

The math is easy since Wikipedia accurately describes the number of turbines 86 and the size of each turbine 1.5sle is also the MW indication (i.e. 1.5 MW). so 86 X 1.5 is 129 MW. I happened to work on the permitting of the project so my eye caught the error of 99 MW quickly. There are some permitting docs that might say 99MW because that was the original plan at the township permitting level, but the State permitting process allowed our company to build over 99MW which was done and the final project size is 129 MW. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:18, 9 January 2019 (UTC) says 99. --David Biddulph (talk) 23:26, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
Expanding the map, I see that there were 2 dots, Forward I saying 99MW & Forward II with 30MW. This seems to tie up. The press release which Colin mentions below quotes 66 turbines for the 99MW, so it appears that phase II added a further 20 turbines for the extra 30MW. --David Biddulph (talk) 23:43, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
Hello, IP user. Generally, suggestions for improving articles should be made on the article's talk page, in this case Talk:Forward Wind Energy Center. The math is not really relevant, because Wikipedia relies on reliable published sources, not original research. The 99MW is in this press release from 2007: if you want to update it, you need to cite a published source for a different figure. If you do intend to do any work on this article, please study the policy and recommendations on conflict of interest and paid editing. --ColinFine (talk) 23:33, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
@ColinFine: This this fall under WP:CALC? Or does it not because of the contradiction by the published source? RudolfRed (talk) 02:09, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

hello i am a polltical writer and is using wikipedia for reserche But i want a sidebar on my userpage / but dont know how to make it. i am writing my own ideolgye on google doc called natural socialism.

I am so confused off how I can make a good described user page since I am researching allot thru Wikipedia and uses sources which are / from pages already on Wikipedia to research about mostly socialism / spiritual socialism and communism as well as ecology and environmentalism, my main problem is how can I make a sidebar showcasing all the persons that INSPIRED ME to develop my own philosophy called natural socialism. / iv written on my own page or is semi writing down concepts I'm developing myself. like my own way of philosophical thinking of life which iv called after my own real name, aka calling my way of thinking trondisme and I am currently developing Sex-positive Socialisme, Socialistic egoism , Socialist kingdom, Norwegian socialism. Note I do love Wikipedia and I love to use it as a research platform but I so badly want to share my ideological way of thinking called natural socialism. and I want to share my IDEAS and MY personal ideological way of thinking note I have not published any books yet. I have written several prototypes books but have not published a single finalised version of the natural socialist manifesto yet but I'm planning to. so my question is how can I make a sidebar called Natural socialism. 2,- how can I personalises make a collection of all my research while still developing my ideology and sharing it whit the world thru Wikipedia. iv had both studying fields within culinary school and politics/philosophy/geology/seismology and history and all those fields have inspired me to develop natural socialism. Note I ain't famous and iv never been a chef I'm just a young honest guy whit huge ideas.

Note ideological components of natural socialism have I researched thru Wikipedia and used sources showcased on those ideological pages thru Wikipedia to further commit my own research I have also used and other pages for research so pls don't judge me based on this page. I just am curious about what I can do on Wikipedia and what I can describe at my user page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Redordercaveman (talkcontribs)

@Redordercaveman: Welcome to Wikipedia. You may not use your userpage for your writings or book draft. You may use it to describe yourself and your Wikipedia work. See WP:NOT and WP:UP. RudolfRed (talk) 20:26, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
You also can try to draft a Wikipedia article at your Sandbox. However, that is private space that does not show up when anyone searches Wikipedia. David notMD (talk) 02:46, 10 January 2019 (UTC)


I have completed my autobiography and I have figures in pptx, jpeg and tiff format to insert into the template. Are all these different styles acceptable? Or do I need to convert them all to jpg or pdf -- before plopping them into the template..??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nebertdw (talkcontribs) 01:59, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

How to translate an article

I have created an article in English MUHADIN KISHEV I now want to translate it in to Spanish. How do I go about this? Many thanks ≈≈≈≈Dywana≈≈≈≈ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dywana (talkcontribs) 19:51, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Dywana. Muhadin Kishev looks good. See WP:Translate us for a guide to translating from English to other languages. -ColinFine (talk) 22:15, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Thank you very much! ≈≈≈≈Dywana≈≈≈≈ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dywana (talkcontribs) 08:51, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Scholarly sources for Persian Sand Gecko a.k.a. Microgecko persicus

Hi please help me collect some of the sources for these; most of them I have selected don't have access (ie Unable to view them).. I would be grateful for this kind working for me.. Because it's difficult to collect sources which have no access on them and are subscribe only.. So please give me some accessible sources to point the written text verbatim following them with accordance to WP:RS and obviously WP:V.. Thanks! (This draft).. (talk) 08:20, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

If you post this request at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Amphibians and Reptiles, you may find someone who has access to the sources that you need. Maproom (talk) 08:32, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
OK .. Thanks! (talk) 09:04, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Help with answering a query


I need some help with answering Curb Safe Charmer (talk). He cited my article that I had put in for submission as a decline because of the following. I am not being paid for this article I have posted it for someone that I work for and therefore I am not getting any compensation from it and do not intend to either. I am unable to find out how I can respond to him and state that he is incorrect.

Thank you.

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Hello Izzy Fox. The nature of your edits gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, such as the edit you made to Draft:James Zockoll, and that you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially egregious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to Black hat SEO.

Paid advocates are very strongly discouraged from direct article editing, and should instead propose changes on the talk page of the article in question if an article exists, and if it does not, from attempting to write an article at all. At best, any proposed article creation should be submitted through the articles for creation process, rather than directly.

Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:Izzy Fox. The template $ This user, in accordance with the Wikimedia Foundation's Terms of Use, discloses that they have been paid by {{{employer}}} for their contributions to Wikipedia.

can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form: $ Izzy Fox, in accordance with the Wikimedia Foundation's Terms of Use, discloses that they have been paid by InsertName for their contributions to Wikipedia.

. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, please do not edit further until you answer this message. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 22:52, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

@Izzy Fox: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. To communicate with another user, you can post to their user talk page. There is usually a link to that in every user's signature. However, you state that you "posted it for someone that I work for". That makes you a paid editor and you must comply with WP:PAID. You don't have to be paid specifically for the edit. 331dot (talk) 11:00, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Discrediting Ram Bomjon's victim by inserting manipulative new-agist blog link

Please look into the manipulation done in the text about Ram Bahadur Bomjon, where my name is mentioned as that of a victim, but together with a non-reliable, personal blog's link which in fact discredits my claims (and the claims of many other victims) with a sentence""We already know from first hand accounts that stories about kidnapping, etc, are all false". I have complained on the Biography of living persons notice boar s well on the Reliable source notice board.

I am agin and again shocked at Wikipedia's inability and unwillingness to stop this article to be used as a propaganda tool in the hands of Bomjon's followers. Everywhere it is written what is considered reliable source, but this rule i not respected in the case of Nepal's fake guru, and Wikipedia allows their own new-agist links to be added as "sources" and "proofs" . In te meanwhile the Bomjon-follower editor deletes the serious sources, even if there are countless of them, for example on this website if you scroll down.

Thank you,

ZsuzsannaTakacs (talk) 10:48, 10 January 2019 (UTC)ZsuzsannaTakacs, The Halkhoriya TimesZsuzsannaTakacs (talk) 10:48, 10 January 2019 (UTC) The Halkhoriya Times

It not, whilst the source may say that, we do not.Slatersteven (talk) 11:02, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Yes, the online censors of Bomjon had been very active in deleting links even from, but if you cannot take the effort and read the sources provided through then I give you a very recent link from Newsweek where also my name is mentioned, yet yes, they also write one incorrect thing, that I was kidnapped from my hotel, what is a nonsense, but they also took the information from some Nepali wire. I had been kidnapped from the east-West Highway at the Halkhoriya Jungle and the eyewitnesses confirmed it. If still suspecting a foul-play on the wrong side, check the Slovak online media which yee, does mention my name for example this one, or this one .

Marichi is my dharmic name which I stopped to use after the blasphemy that Bomjon put on it.

I am quite tired of victim-blaming, so please defer from it and try to find the proofs from numerous media articles from 2007 till today, before you want to blame me that the cult is deleting a few links. There are three pages I have provided that have long lists of various links, archive, copied, snapshotted, any version. The only thing is, I see, a will to check them out.

So again:

Media on Buddhaboy (scroll down under the Wikipedia-style texts) Buddhaboymedia - here you see Zsuzsana Takacs in the article describing me being kidnapped by Bomjon and claims that I still admired him (only half true, I still wanted to believe there was some sense in my suffering) The Himalayan Times Hot-Potato Archives

ZsuzsannaTakacs (talk) 13:45, 10 January 2019 (UTC)Zsuzsanna TakacZsuzsannaTakacs (talk) 13:45, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

@ZsuzsannaTakacs: You've raised the same issue at biographies of living persons noticeboard, so to avoid duplication I suggest this thread is responded to there. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 13:58, 10 January 2019 (UTC)


Online research of newspaper history here in Cleveland yielded that in 2018 the CLEVELAND PUBLIC LIBRARY celebrated the 200th year history of our FIRST newspaper established in 1818 and was named the Cleaveland Gazette (notably BEFORE the "a" was later removed)! This particular newspaper and related newspaper history here in northeast Ohio is SIGNIFICANT. (Please note that this is NOT the same as The Cleveland Gazette of 1883.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1702:3C70:89A0:35CB:A81F:8143:11FE (talk) 15:40, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Unclear what you need. Are you asking for someone to make an edit?WelpThatWorked (talk) 15:45, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

how to move an article from the draft to the main area

I have created a very short article on William Akers and I have three references, a book, a webpage and find a grave, so I am ready to move the article to it's future home, but I don't know how to move it. I have clicked on all the links but it does not seem clear how to move the article. Ty78ejui (talk) 00:14, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi Ty78ejui. How to move a page (e.g., a draft to an article) is explained in Wikipedia:Moving a page; however, I wouldn't suggest you do so with Draft:William Akers because I don't think it's ready for article status just yet. If you move the page right now as it is, it's likely going to end up being deleted or moved back to draft status by another editor. As long as it's still a draft, most editors will allow you to continue to work on improving it pretty much at your leisure; however, once something is added to the article namespace, it's becomes fair game for anyone to edit, which includes tagging or nomintating it for deletion if they feel it's not up to article standards.
If you haven't already done so, take a look at Wikipedia:Your first article, Help:Referencing for beginners, Wikipedia:Notability (people) and Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything for some general information on how to write articles. Moreover, if after reading this post and those pages you still feel that the draft is ready to be upgraded to an article, then I suggest you do so via Wikipedia:Articles for creation because it will allow a more experienced editor to review the draft and then move it for you if they feel it's ready. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:59, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
I am ready to have it move up, so someone else can add more to the article. I am not a very good writer, and I wanted to have a link from the Ponchatoula page. I noticed his name on the page, and I thought we should have a link to a short article about him, because the link to the article with his name has been down for maintenance. The actually website moved location, as well. I don't have to time to write and research a very long article. This is supposed to just be a stub to start off a longer article. And I still don't see how to move it up, I clicked move but I am not sure where to move the article. Prephans without an article per sec, maybe more explanation could be placed on the Ponchatoula page instead? Ty78ejui (talk) 05:31, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi again Ty78ejui. You may be ready, but I don't think the draft is at all. While Wikipedia articles are for the most part generally are considered WP:IMPERFECT, simply creating a stub and hoping others will come along and add more content is not really a good strategy if the subject you're writing about might not be Wikipedia notable enough for a stand-alone article because the actual result might be that the article just ends up getting deleted. I've added Template:AFC submission/draft to the draft; if you truly think it's ready, then click on "Submit your draft for review!" (the blue button in the template). An AfC reviewer will then look at the draft and decide if it's ready for the article namespace. If the reviewer feels that it is, they will move it to the mainspace; if not, they will most likely explain why and offer suggestions on how to improve it. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:46, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

I decided to take your advice and instead create a link from my websource to the link due to the link there is out of commission, but I was not able to do that even. It said bad parameters. If I did publish the article, it would provide more information, such as the book which I own a copy of, but now all we have in an article with a dead link, and its hard to find information about William Akers online. I can't move or edit the dead link because I went to the new page and could not find the information. Ty78ejui (talk) 15:35, 10 January 2019 (UTC) PS I did I think submit for review, but nothing came of that. I did not get any explain or review or rejection either. Ty78ejui (talk) 15:36, 10 January 2019 (UTC) PSPS I have in the past edited on Wikipedia very briefly, but it seems to me there are many changes to the process, that should be positive, but have instead made the process more complicated requiring pages of explain. Just to ad a single link with no change of text should be an easy process.Ty78ejui (talk) 16:24, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Better to use wiki text or VE for editing?

Hi folks, I have a more general question: Is it better to use wiki text or VE when editing, particularly regarding research citation? I've just recently started editing and have been using VE for minor editing but somehow have the impression that wiki text is better for research and writing. Thanks, all! — Preceding unsigned comment added by DanyaTimm (talkcontribs) 16:19, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

VE is likely easier for many things, including citations, but there are other things that are easier for text(e.g. complex formatting). I alter between both regularly. Do whatever you find easy. WelpThatWorked (talk) 16:21, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
I'm very much the same. I'll quite often start in VE for editing, especially if it involves generating citations or certain cases of populating templates (e.g. tag notices), and then I'll switch to wiki source for more intricate stuff, especially where I find I get stuck with VE. I'd recommend using VE, but it never hurts to be familiar with source text. — Sasuke Sarutobi (push to talk) 16:25, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Moving an article in order to change the name of the article

Hello, there is an article on the Shakespearean and Elizabethan scholar and professor Emma J. Smith that should be moved to [[[Emma Smith (scholar)]] -- to drop her middle initial. This is not controversial, this idea was posted on her talk page a while ago (no one added any discussion). The subject does not use her middle initial when her name appears on the books and articles she has written or when she has appeared in public and as a teacher. She's been presented in a program as "Emma Smith, scholar". I attempted to move it myself, it seems a simple procedure, but I erred somehow. The error was corrected. So if someone could either make this move, or tell me how to do it correctly, (or advise me), I would appreciate it. Thank you. Bitwixen (talk) 16:14, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

@Bitwixen: See Help:How to move a page for a simplified guide on moving pages. If you're still unable to do it, make a request at Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical. If someone disagrees with the new name, you've to start a discussion on the talkpage of the article. Procedure of doing so can be found at Template:Requested move. –Ammarpad (talk) 16:28, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
Bitwixen has now moved the article. Maproom (talk) 17:28, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

New users requests help to create Summary box in new biography page


I'm new to Wiki as a contributor and am creating a page for a live author with her consent. I'm not an experienced coder and have created the page in my sandbox using visual view. Having nearly completed the draft including links, references and categories, I can't find any instructions about how to add a summary box which might include a picture - as per the one here on [[Matt_Haig#cite_note-booktrusthaig-5|]] . Can anyone point me to how to do this.

I'd be glad if anyone could give me a steer on this - by the way I didn't use a template, which maybe I should have done.

Thank you for your help.

Susie — Preceding unsigned comment added by WinnietheSuse (talkcontribs) 17:22, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

@WinnietheSuse: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. There are no edits associated with your account(other than the above), so if you created a draft, you must have done it while logged out. Could you link to it?
Since you state you are working on someone's behalf, you need to review and comply with the conflict of interest policy. If you are being compensated in any way for doing so, you also need to comply with the paid editing policy. 331dot (talk) 17:30, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
You appear to be looking for an infobox Wikipedia:List of infoboxesWelpThatWorked (talk) 17:53, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Copyright Confusion

So, I was attempting to add a new image to the Wikipedia database so I could add it to a Wiki page. I filled out the required criteria not entirely knowing what it all meant but brushing it off as non-important. Turns out it was important. One of the things that I "brushed past" was adding a copyright tag. Now I'm a bit stuck. I don't really know if the image is under fair use and don't know how to figure out if it is. Here is where I found the image [1] and here is where it is in Wikipedia [2] . Assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. BlakeKbelt (talk) 19:57, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

I have tagged if for speedy deletion as a copyright violation it clearly states at the bottom of the page "Copyright © 2018 HallyuSG (Hallyu Enterprise Pte Ltd)" It's best not to upload any images unless you hold the copyright or you took them. Theroadislong (talk) 20:05, 10 January 2019 (UTC)


DRAFT: Courtaulds Red Scar Works Preston

I have worked hard on an article which I believe to be wiki worthy, and it is extensively referenced and inline cited. I am wondering how long it will be before it is reviewed and then published or rejected?. I know some articles are easier to review than others but …………..

please and thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by GRALISTAIR (talkcontribs) 20:17, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

I have added a template to the top of the page, press the blue button on it to submit. Good luck! WelpThatWorked (talk) 20:30, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
It seems to me like a good article, I've made a slight change to format your link in see also properly though. Thanks, RhinosF1 (talk) 20:37, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

I published a great article with reference that was removed

This is my first time publishing. One of your (wikipedias) bots removed all my work, even though it was cited correctly. WTH! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phwarren360 (talkcontribs) 20:59, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

The only edits you made were reverted by a human. This was likely because your "source" was just a sales page for a book, not a citation from the book itself. WelpThatWorked (talk) (talk) 21:03, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi Phwarren360. Use this for the first use of the reference : <ref name="Emery2017">{{cite book |author=Theo Emery |title=Hellfire Boys: The Birth of the U.S. Chemical Warfare Service and the Race for the World's Deadliest Weapons |url= |date=2017 |publisher=Little, Brown |isbn=978-0-316-26411-2 }}</ref> and <ref name="Emery2017" /> for the rest of the times. If it is removed again, start a new section on the articles talk page with your reasons for adding the material. StarryGrandma (talk) 21:15, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

In the future, if an editor reverts your edit, the proper place to continue the discussion is at the Talk page of the article. Reverting the revert is called edit warring, and can get you temporarily blocked. David notMD (talk) 23:33, 10 January 2019 (UTC)