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How to change image in an article when two images share the same name?

please check my complete question at Wikipedia:Help_desk#How_to_change_image_in_an_article_when_two_images_share_the_same_name?

If you are thinking why didn't i post the question here the reason is I did not knew until now that new users should use the Teahouse. Please answer my question at the Help Desk Only Tuwein (talk) 12:43, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Answered at Help Desk. For the record, you are welcome to use any of the venues for your questions. Regards SoWhy 12:58, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Discussing AfDs off wiki

Hello, it has come to my attention that an active AfD is being discussed in a non-neutral manner off-wiki by the subject of the biography that is under discussion. Possibly as a result, I suspect more recent COI editing. Is this something that should be reported? Who to? And/or is an admin happy to review this matter for me? Polyamorph (talk) 10:11, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

@Polyamorph: You can add the {{notavote}} template to the AFD to warn editors coming there from off-wiki discussion boards. You can also tag such !votes with {{spa}} to help the closing editor quickly identify such canvassed !votes. Usually, this is sufficient to deal with such situations. Regards SoWhy 10:44, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, have done so. Cheers, Polyamorph (talk) 13:00, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Help about creating article

First of all, thank you so much for taking the time to read this. I am new to create an article in Wikipedia, actually, I am working on my first article. So can anyone tell the process of publishing the article? Thank You so much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shruthichittipolu (talkcontribs) 06:30, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Shruthichittipolu. Please read Your first article, which should answer most of your questions. Please return to the Teahouse for more specific information at any time. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:47, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi, Shruthichittipolu, your user page is not the correct place for you to develop a draft article (see WP:User pages for what should go there). Your school is seems to be different from the first one of those already mentioned at Evergreen Middle School, but please move your work to Draft:Evergreen Middle School and add some references following the advice at WP:Referencing for beginners. In general, middle schools might or might not be WP:Notable, see Wikipedia:Notability (schools), but you need to find WP:Reliable sources in which the school has been written about in newspapers etc. Ask again here if you need more help. Dbfirs 13:40, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
Are you sure that they're the same, Dbfirs? seems to be a different place from - 51km drive between. But your advice to produce a draft is correct. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:10, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
No, I originally assumed they were different, then decided that there were unlikely to be two identically named schools in the same school district, but if they are different, then they can be distinguished on the disambiguation page. Dbfirs 16:24, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
Two different school districts. One in Lake Washington School District and the other in Everett School District. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:35, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
Yes, I've just come to the same conclusion. America is a big country, and Evergreen is a popular name. I've adjusted my comment above. Dbfirs 16:42, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

HDI world map Taken down, want to keep it up

I made a map of country subdivisions by HDI and it got kind of popular (File:World Map of Subnational HDI.jpg). I want to put it on the HDI wiki page (HDI wiki). I have tried and it got accepted, but then somebody took it down. I want to know if it might work as a permanent addition to the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FluffyChicken611 (talkcontribs) 15:35, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Also asked at WP:Help desk. In future please don't ask the same question in multiple places, as that wastes the time of volunteers in answering a question which may already have been answered. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:56, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
David Biddulph (talk), That didn't answer my question
Your question has been answered at the Help desk. PorkchopGMX (talk with me - what i've done) 16:42, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Approval of Wikipedia of Najmuddin

kindly review and approve my written project. You can check and link Najmuddin was a politician ie; MLA Member of Legislative Assembly Patna Bihar. In Kishanganj Bahadurganj Assembly Constituency.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yovraj123 (talkcontribs) 16:48, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi Yovraj123 and welcome to the Teahouse. Your draft has been copied to User:Yovraj123/Sandbox because your user page is about to be deleted. Please see WP:User page for what should go on that page. You need to read WP:My first article and WP:Referencing for beginners, and add some WP:Reliable sources to your draft using in-line citations. The draft will not be approved in its present form. Dbfirs 16:56, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Creating User Page


I would like help on how to create a user page. I just complete 10 edits. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rfpuglia (talkcontribs) 13:04, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Explained at WP:User pages. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:28, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
Greetings Rfpuglia.This is the link to your userpage: I have created this page for you. Edit this page as you prefer. Welcome to Wikipedia. I look forward to seeing all your contrutions. Best Regards, Barbara 17:33, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Editing Wikipedia

Hi all,

I'm new to Wikipedia and I was wondering what the basics of editing is. When I go to edit something, I get confused with all the brackets and whatnot. Could someone please help me learn.


LoneWolf5498 — Preceding unsigned comment added by LoneWolf5498 (talkcontribs) 09:02, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

You'll find info on the syntax at Help:Wikitext. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:58, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
You may also find the new user tutorial helpful. 331dot (talk) 12:48, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

You can use the visual editor instead Tuwein (talk) 12:48, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Tuwein, I find what you have on your userpage troubling. Are you sure you want other editors seeing this? In addition, you have only 85 edits. To be involved as a teahouse host, you need to contribute more edits. Best Regards, Barbara 17:39, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

New editor

Hello. I'm writing about the page "Laurence T Maloney" which is an entry for a faculty member at New York University (me). It was out of date and I added information and improved the phrasing. All the information is publically available on other web pages (e.g. that of the Psychology Department at NYU). You have many web pages of faculty worldwide just like mine.

An editor (sorry, I don't know terminology) flagged a possible Conflict of Interest. What should I do? Would it be enough to have the same changes made by staff at NYU? The page was created some time ago by staff at NYU. I'd also like to add a photo ....

Laurence T Maloney — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ltmaloneynyu (talkcontribs) 16:55, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Ltmaloneynyu. No, neither you nor your staff should edit the article about you directly. What you are welcome to do is to make suggestions for edits to the article on the talk page Talk:Laurence T. Maloney. Make the suggestions as specific as you can, and if possible provide citations to reliably published sources - preferably sources unconnected with you or the university - for the information. If you add the template {{edit request}} (with the double curly brackets) somebody will see the request and decide how to proceed. Please see PSCOI for more information. --ColinFine (talk) 17:06, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Hi Professor Maloney, and welcome to the Teahouse. All staff at NYU have a conflict of interest in this article. I note that nearly all your "references" are to your own work. Wikipedia requires independent WP:reliable sources in which you have been written about at length to establish that you are notable in the special Wikipedia sense (not that I'm doubting your notability, it just needs to be shown). If you take a photo of yourself, then it can be uploaded to WP:Commons as your own work under a licence that allows anyone to use it anywhere. You might or might not consider this desirable. You might also like to read about WP:Autobiography. The best procedure would be to request corrections at the talk page of the article as mentioned above. Dbfirs 17:08, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
Dbfirs, keep in mind that there is an SNG for academics, WP:NPROF, that "eases" the independent source requirement. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:30, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
Yes, I appreciate that, but I still think that at least one independent source would be appropriate to add to the list of published papers. Dbfirs 17:43, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
Ltmaloneynyu, only one reference to support your content may be good enough for you. If you add more, you have a better chance of seeing your article remaining on Wikipedia. Otherwise, your article is in danger of being deleted. May I make a suggestion? Move your article to your sandbox page and continue working on it there. When you think is ready, please let me know and I will have a look at it. Best Regards, Barbara 18:00, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Larger Font Wanted

I have my browser set to font size 14 as the minimum. I also have the "allow pages to use their fonts instead of yours" box unchecked. Your pages should be LARGE ENOUGH TO READ. Currently, all I see is about bible size font, maybe size 6.

What else can I do to fix it for myself? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C5D:7004:100:94E4:492B:338:E147 (talk) 03:27, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

You may zoom in? Abelmoschus Esculentus (talkcontribs) 04:01, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
(e/c) It depends I believe on both your device and browser but on most macs, for example, in both Firefox and Safari, click ⌘ Cmd++ to increase size ⌘ Cmd+- to decrease (and ⌘ Cmd+0 to go back to the default size); on most PCs I think with Firefox and Internet Explorer, Ctrl++ will work, etc., or hold down ctrl and scroll up with your mouse wheel. You can also go to the browser menu → view → zoom → zoom in or zoom out (Firefox on a mac at the least) and something similar I think is available with PCs (which I don't use). Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:04, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Thank you Fuhghettaboutit for attempting to answer. The problem is not with wikipedia as I originally thought it might be. It has something to do with Firefox version 64. I have another win7 box with control panel font settings exactly the same on both boxes. I have the firefox font settings set exactly the same on both machines. The win7 machine that has Firefox version 60 does not display wikipedia pages in less than bible font. Pages are normal readable size like they always were. That is true for Google Chrome and Opera. Safari is not available on win7, it was on Vista. I am sure that Mac is better at everything (I'm not being sarcastic) than windows, because it is a variety of unix/linux. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C5D:7004:100:94E4:492B:338:E147 (talk) 18:02, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Video upload

I would like to upload a video to Wikipedia. When I tried to upload an mp4 file, it didn't accept it. What file types can I upload? Mstrojny (talk) 20:58, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Hey Mstrojny. The first question is what video are you trying to upload, and how are you sure that it is freely licensed so that it is allowed on Wikipedia? GMGtalk 20:59, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
@GreenMeansGo: I would like to upload Moon Phases 2019 - Northern Hemisphere - 4K and Moon Phases 2019 - Southern Hemisphere - 4K. These videos are in the public domain because they are a works of the US government (NASA) per Wikipedia:Public_domain#U.S._government_works. Mstrojny (talk) 21:11, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
Awesome. Too easy Mstrojny. You can transfer them to Wikimedia Commons using the Video2Commons tool. You'll have to click the button to authorize the tool first, but you'll see it once you click on the link. Once they're uploaded, make sure to add {{PD-USGov-NASA}} to the files so that others know why it's public domain. GMGtalk 21:14, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
@GreenMeansGo: Thank you so much. You have been a big help. Have a wonderful day. Mstrojny (talk) 21:32, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Guidance on Pizzarias draft article:

I'd really appreciate some guidance on the standard for notability for a draft article, An editor declined to approve it even though I referenced two independent journalistic sources. Also, the brand resulted in multiple awards and of course significant sales results. It's worth mentioning that other snack food brands with less impact do have their own articles, for example, Keebler's own I appreciate your guidance! Thanks. Sedimentary (talk) 18:01, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Hello. Please read Wikipedia:NBRAND. Thanks, PorkchopGMX (talk with me - what i've done) 18:59, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi PorkchopGMX, yes, thanks. I did review, and the brand meets all those requirements (including general notability), along with the independent verifiable sources. The brand also has extensive continuing visibility. For eaxmple, see: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sedimentary (talkcontribs) 19:29, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
Sedimentary, "visibility" is not the same as notability. I don't understand why you give Google searches - they can never contribute to notability. The SFA does look like a solid source, though it has only a few lines on Pizzarias; I can't see the Tribune piece (I am in Europe) but unless it contains significantly more information about Pizzarias than the SFA report, it doesn't seem likely that they together establish notability. (The third reference, to Facebook, can contribute nothing to notability). The product may be notable, but I don't think the draft currently establishes that. --ColinFine (talk) 22:27, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Created page not showing in Google search

I created page name is Jagtial_Railway_Station but this is not showing in Google search and this is not getting direct link url Its come under user.. Pls look into this — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jagtial Railway Station (talkcontribs) 22:57, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Jagtial Railway Station, Please see WP:NOINDEX for the full details. If you want an explanation after reading that then please ask for for clarification. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 23:00, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
You created the page in userspace, not article space. Adam9007 (talk) 23:01, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
Jagtial Railway Station, given your username I think you confused creating an article with creating an account. 331dot (talk) 23:09, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
Hello Jagtial Railway Station I have moved your draft article to Draft:Jagtial Railway Station. After you have changed your username, you can work on the draft article there. It is not ready to be published as an article yet for it has no references. When you think it is ready, you can submit it for review by clicking the blue "Submit your draft for review!" button. Please read Wikipedia:Your first article. —teb728 t c 00:30, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Need help please!

Hey I just became an editer yesterday, and I went on Tyler tettleton’s page because he is the new browns offensive quality control coach. I edited everything correctly by trial and error or looking on other coaches pages and looking at how they are set up. I am on mobile, and I want to add a new drop down thing to his page at the bottom. I don’t know what it’s called, maybe a heading? I know how to edit the already made drop down things but I want to add one. Can I get some advice? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by JakeTheCake1055 (talkcontribs) 22:57, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

What “drop down thing”? If you’re talking about headings, click here for more information. If it’s anything else, what does it look like? PorkchopGMX (talk with me - what i've done) 00:38, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

I got a bot on my page.

I have been working on a draft for a new Wikipedia page. Its about eternal justice. Yesterday a robot made a revision. Its a CfD. Can someone check it out for me and tell me what it is about?

ThankGTBlakeman (talk) 00:50, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi GTBlakeman. When a category has been deleted as a result of a CfD, a bot may be set to the task of removing the category from pages that were placed into it. That's all that happened, here. Specifically, Category:Articles created via the Article Wizard was deleted as a result of this discussion (so there's nothing for you to worry about). Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:59, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

How did this go unnoticed for so long?

Apparently, Kareem Hunt’s page was vandalized some time around November 30, where someone changed his position to kicker. Small news sources have written articles about it, you can find them by googling “kareem hunt wiki” or “kareem hunt kicker.” I changed the page back, but somehow it takes us a month and a half to find that. Erfson (talk) 01:02, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi Erfson. You can click the "View history" tab to see the page history. It was changed to kicker November 30 American time and reverted 8 minutes later.[1][2] The "kicker" you reverted was added 4 hours ago.[3] I think those are good response times. I haven't examined every edit in the history to see whether it has been added and removed other times. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:23, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
@Erfson: If you click the little star near the top right of that page, it will be added to your Watchlist. This can help you to follow the pages you care most about, to catch vandalism like this quickly. --Gronk Oz (talk) 01:36, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Requesting feedback and question about revision history pages

Hi and thanks for the welcome! I recently added to Daphne Rubin-Vega's Wikipedia entry, the paragraph about her role in The Horror of Dolores Roach. As I'm still a very new editor/contributor, I would love some feedback on how I did, markup quality, or what other editors might have done differently.

ALSO - still getting used to speaking/reading Wikipedia language. On revision history pages, what do the green or red +/- followed by numbers refer to? For example, on the Daphne Rubin-Vega revision history page, next to my contribution it says (+1,839) in green. What does this mean? Thanks.

BlackMaus (talk) 21:51, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi BlackMaus, I've just taken a brief look, your edits seem good. The green number is how many bytes the edit added to the page. When an edit shortens a page the number is in red. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 22:14, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Interesting, Dodger67. Thanks for explaining! BlackMaus (talk) 22:18, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Adding to the answer, BlackMaus, a red figure in a revision history is not necessarily a bad thing. Removing hoaxes, personal attacks and unverifiable content helps improve the encyclopedia. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:41, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Appreciate the added info, Cullen328. At first I was wondering words or characters? But couldn't figure out what the purpose of tracking those would be. Bytes makes much more sense. Thanks for your help! BlackMaus (talk) 02:24, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Already wrote the article, but running into COI issues - Can I submit an article for peer review instead of a new article request


I work as a writer/editor and a handful of my clients have requested Wikipedia pages. A client and I recently collaborated on a modest page, taking care to ensure notability, avoid writing in a "publicity" style, keep a neutral tone, and include sufficient citation/references. However, it seems that our options for publication are nil or limited.

I noticed one option was to submit a request to have the article written by someone else. In the case of pre-written articles, is it possible to have the content pre-approved by a jury of peer? We could then identify any issues, then making changes to make sure we're totally compliant before attempting to publish? It feels like a shame to have created a complete article only for it to go un-used.

Thank you for our help and my apologies if this question gets repeated a lot - feel free to direct me to the archives and I'll search them! -AAW — Preceding unsigned comment added by AdduciArtWriting (talkcontribs) 04:21, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, AdduciArtWriting. The very first thing that you must do is comply fully with our mandatory Paid editing disclosure. This is not negotiable. Next, you should realize that paid editors do not have the privilege to ask vague general questions. In other words, we need to know precisely who is paying for you, and precisely what draft article you are working on. The Articles for Creation process was established, at least in part, to allow editors such as you with a conflict of interest to submit draft articles for review by experienced volunteer editors. Please read and study Your first article, and then triple check and quadruple check your draft for compliance before submitting your draft. In all honesty, there is widespread resentment among volunteer editors directed at paid editors. Do your paid work right and do not expect unpaid volunteers to clean up any messes that you might make. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:20, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
User:AdduciArtWriting - Let me add to what User:Cullen328 has said about the resentment by volunteer editors toward paid editors. We do not resent the fact that you are being paid to do what we do without pay. We are amateurs in the archaic sense of that word, people engaged in an activity "for love". However, we amateur editors do resent that paid editors write non-neutrally, displaying obvious bias toward their clients, and writing promotionally, and neutral point of view is one of the five pillars of Wikipedia, and is non-negotiable. Amateur editors are especially deeply resentful when paid editors ask for help because they say that they "need" it for their clients. The encyclopedia doesn't need to help your clients, even if your clients need business, which they can find by advertising on their own web sites. So follow the advice that Cullen has given. Your submissions will be reviewed by amateur editors, but you cannot expect that we will clean up your submissions to make them neutral or remove promotional content. We have a less tedious way on reviewing drafts to protect neutrality, and that is to decline non-neutral submissions rather than cleaning them up. We will be glad to answer questions about Wikipedia policies and guidelines, and we will review your submissions. It is your job to write your submissions verifiably and neutrally. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:48, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi AdduciArtWriting. I appreciate you asking this question and Cullen328's and Robert McClenon's responses. I have a similar question as I also joined Wikipedia in part because I'd like to add to information about my employer. I haven't done anything yet because I'm only a few days new on Wikipedia and am still figuring out how it all works and getting to know the community. AAW, I did find a useful document for PR professionals here: (See 'Learning to Speak in Wikipedia's Language', linked at right.)

Learning to Speak in Wikipedia's Language--Public Relations and The Free Encyclopedia

Wondering in all earnestness from others: would an appropriate way be to make a suggestion to someone with a stated interest in the topic, and see if they'll agree to write it? I'm fine with not writing the article myself, but would be happy to advise, point to media coverage if needed, and certainly would disclose my COI up front. Just wondering if this is an acceptable way to proceed or not; I took that idea from the file I've linked above. In any case, I'm having fun editing and contributing to other non-COI articles so far. :) BlackMaus (talk) 02:40, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Just want to thank Cullen328, Robert McClenon, and BlackMaus for your help - it's been incredibly useful! I'll run through our content again. And my apologies for any newbie mistakes (including any extra characters in this exact post!) AdduciArtWriting (talk) 21:24, 15 January 2019

Row count with rowspan

Article :List of India international footballers

How to get the count of players in the list instead of the count of rows,when using _row_count with rowspan .

Eg: The number in the last row of the article is '28' whereas it should be '39' (the number of the players). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Curnews (talkcontribs) 02:50, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi Curnews. You should just be able to edit the values added for the "#" column so that it actually reflects a player's position on the list. Try looking at List of Belgium international footballers for an example of how this can be done. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:26, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

@Curnews: How about this:

|rowspan="2"| _row_count
| style="text-align:left;" |[[I. M. Vijayan]]<ref>....</ref>
|style="display:none" | _row_count
|align="left" |[[Mahesh Gawli]]<ref>....</ref>

I put additional cell with _row_count (which generates '7' for Mahesh Gawli and lets Syed Rahim Nabi get number '8'), but prevent it from displaying with style="display:none". --CiaPan (talk) 08:04, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

List of Belgium international footballers enters the numbers manually.It can be done with additional cell with _row_count_hold (which would keep I. M. Vijayan and Mahesh Gawli at 6 lets Syed Rahim Nabi get number '8').

Thanks Marchjuly and CiaPan

Curnews (talk) 08:28, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Editing information

Hello, Im interested in getting information edited that falsely represents an industry I have been involved with since early 1993. I offered some edits but I am not familiar with the whole process. My edits were rejected within minutes. I then registered an account. How do I get the information I have into the system so it can be judged based on its standing? Im not really interested in being an editor but would like to see the industry presented correctly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BigCCN (talkcontribs) 06:45, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi, BigCCN, and welcome to the Teahouse. The general way to go here is to start a discussion at the articles talkpage as a first step, see WP:BRD. Since you give no details, it's impossible to more specific, but perhaps Wikipedia:Reliable sources is a part of it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:05, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
And, note that anonymous IP edits are viewed as being under a veil of suspicion, as most drive-by vandalism is by IPs. Introduce yourself, then try suggesting edits on the article's Talk page and see what happens.--Quisqualis (talk) 08:31, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
"Are viewed as being under a veil of suspicion" by some people, certainly, but some of us try not to stereotype in that way. There are many well-intentioned editors who choose not to register an account. But Quisqualis's advice is good for any new editor, who may not yet have good a feel for whether an edit is likely to be controversial. --ColinFine (talk) 11:08, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

needed help

HI , can you help me completing my page (, i can give you all information you need with source, or pls let me know my mistakes, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abidn2 (talkcontribs) 09:40, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Abidn2. What you need to do is to find places where people who have no connection with Krishnan (or her producers, studios, or agents) have chosen to write at some length about her, and been published in professionally-published places with a reputation for editoral control. Reviews in major newspapers will often qualify. Nothing on social media, wikis, or blogs; nothing based on an interview or press release. They don't have to be in English, though if there are English sources that will be helpful. If you cannot find several such sources, then give up, as the subject does not Wikipedia's criteria for notability. If you do find such sources, base the article entirely on what those sources say (but in your own words). Please see your first article. --ColinFine (talk) 11:16, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Alya michelson (again)

Thank you to those who actually took the time to talk to me about my article. Here I am again, trying to get this article up for my client. Alya michelson hired me for reputation management and has asked me to put up a wiki page for her. I have tried a couple times now and I guess I did not understand what I was suppose to do to get it published. I submitted again, there is no "copy paste" from her website, I added my user page stating that she is my client, and I just submitted it for review. Can someone please take a look at it and let me know if there is anything wrong. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skymark2002 (talkcontribs) 09:54, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Skymark2002. I'll start off by saying that Wikipedia is a really really really bad place to try and do reputation management; even if you succeed in getting the article accepted, it will never be under Michelson's or your control. I suggest you read WP:PRIDE and show it to your sponsor.
Reading your draft, I repeatedly ask the question: "which professionally-published source, wholly unconnected with Michelson, has said this?" The draft mostly doesn't answer the question, and unless the question is answered, the claim probably doesn't belong in the article, certainly if the claim is in any way evaluative. This applies to the entire section "Philanthropic pursuits", as well as lesser points through the draft. Please read WP:REFB and WP:BLP. --ColinFine (talk) 11:30, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
Hello, Skymark2002, and welcome to the Teahouse. If you haven't read Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and WP:PAID yet, please take the time to do that.
I assume this User:Skymark2002/sandbox is the article you want published, (Deletion-discussion from last year at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alya (singer and entertainer)). Per the concerns at that discussion, can you link three sources that are reliably published (WP:RS), independent of the subject, and writes about her in some detail? If so, an article about her may be possible, but you/she should consider WP:OWN and Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:38, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

I need help undoing an editing mistake

While adding a footnote reference to a page, I accidentally moved all the footnotes into the body of the page and don't know how to undo it!! This was my first attempt to join in with Wikipedia and I goofed! 

When I go to the 'edit source' tab to correct it, the footnotes are not visible in the text. But when I go to the Read tab, they are there.

The page is 'Dwyer Brothers Stable'

I feel very embarrassed and want to know how I can put it right. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by DwyerBrothers (talkcontribs) 15:55, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

You had put an extra "reflist" in the middle of the text. I've removed it for you. Your reference 6 needs correcting: please read WP:Referencing for beginners, and change it to an in-line citation. Your user name implies that you represent the organisation. This is not permitted on Wikipedia. You will need to create an individual account and declare your WP:Paid status. Dbfirs 16:03, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
DwyerBrothers, Looks like someone else fixed it. For the future, The {{Reflist}} tag is the thing you need to remove. Do you have a WP:COI With the article? WelpThatWorked (talk) 16:04, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
This is the correction. You need to read Help:Referencing for beginners. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:06, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

How to cite an author that includes Jr. or Junior as part of the author's name?

I have looked through the Template:Cite book ( for author but do not find guidance on how to include Jr. or Junior for citing an author's name.

How to cite an author that includes Jr. or Junior as part of the author's name? Could it be included in last= or first=? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 42Squire (talkcontribs) 15:49, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

42Squire, Based on WP:JR I would say it is part of the last name. People refer to people with the format "title (the) first last genarationalquantifier", for example "King Edward James the third" or "King Edward James Jr" WelpThatWorked (talk) 16:02, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, WP:JR looks helpful. Since in author citations the last name is shown first it looks like the Jr. would be with the first name as the WP:JR guidance: When the surname is shown first, the suffix follows the given name, as Kennedy, John F. Jr. 42Squire (talk) 16:23, 15 January 2019 (UTC)


Hello I just noticed some typos on article and I don't know how easy to correct them accurately can someone please help me to help correct it I'm quite new here and I don't know anything please give something to read I want to contribute to wiki by translating and give content thanks

I noticed that toolbar than decided to fixed typos which say on typo team please show the way I can't find stuff that easily thanks

Erekmeko el espanoi I've left some reading on your talk page here that should get you started. valereee (talk) 16:27, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Wow thanks this is a great experience with a full toolbox like column I'm going for adopt a user program since I've heard the need to counter vandalism by several media thanks for your assistance!!! Erekmeko el espanoi (talk) 16:30, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Stating easily verifiable facts to correct an entry, and providing citations

I believe that in the description of anything or anyone, history must be accurately described. The attribution, for example, of the concept of the 'hyperloop' to Elon Musk is wrong, as I describe with accurate facts. The name, however, is his invention, and he popularized the modern concept.

But, I realize the error I made as described: WP Synthesis.

I neglected to sandbox with the citations. Yet, the current edits now read true, though more clarity could be provided.

Facts aggregated and stated in a publication, or facts enumerated one by one over a series of publications, make for interesting reading and great support for well-written wiki entries, I believe... citations must be placed, however, even when the facts are easily verifiable.

What say you? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SmartScience (talkcontribs) 09:22, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Hello SmartScience, and welcome to the Teahouse. My opinion: On the whole, yes. There is such a thing as Wikipedia:You don't need to cite that the sky is blue, but an article like Hyperloop (never heard of it) will contain very little bluesky. The article at glance appears well cited, but there are gaps like
"A number of routes have been proposed for Hyperloop systems that meet the approximate distance conditions for which a Hyperloop is hypothesized to provide improved transport times. Route proposals range from speculation described in company releases to business cases to signed agreements."
that needs citing. But hopefully facts that are easily verifiable are easily cited. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:08, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
Looking again, that may not have been a good example. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:03, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Where's the "editing toolbar"

Where's the "editing toolbar" for the bookshape with something red on it? I'm working through the tutorial and am stuck. Help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Payzantboy (talkcontribs) 16:00, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi Payzantboy, welcome to the Teahouse. It looks like you are on The Wikipedia Adventure. The editing toolbar has changed since it was made. If you describe Vector toolbar insert reference button.png then try this icon instead. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:12, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Death age adjusted for timezone?

If someone is born on 2Dec1996 in England and die in the early hours of 2Dec2018 in NZ (12 hrs ahead), where it's not yet 2 Dec British time, should their death age be listed as 21 or 22?  Nixinova  T  C  21:06, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Hey Nixinova. The easy answer (and usually the right one regardless of the question) is whatever reliable sources say. If they don't feel the need to adjust the date of death based on time zone, then we probably shouldn't either. GMGtalk 21:09, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
Well, the thing is, the only source for her confirmed death date is an image of her funeral catalogue shown in a news article. Sources haven't actually explicitly stated when she died.  Nixinova  T  C  21:12, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
See MOS:TIMEZONE, use the date and time appropriate to where the event happened. - X201 (talk) 21:16, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
That's not the point. My point is whether to list her age as 21 or 22 since she had technically not yet reached the age of 22. Sources are split between giving her age as 22 and 21.  Nixinova  T  C  21:26, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
WP does not represent any "ultimate truth", only WP:Reliable sources. WP has no policy regarding time zones and age at death. You are editing correctly by using either age, although she was much closer to 22.--Quisqualis (talk) 08:45, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
The question is: Why mention her age at all? Just include that she died 2 December in New Zealand and let readers decide whether they want to think of her as 21 or 22. Regards SoWhy 09:01, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
Well it's a normal thing to include age at death on articles.  Nixinova  T  C  18:15, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Signup Snafu: messed up on the way in the door....:(

I signed up and let my password manager create the password for the account. Typically, the password manager quickly asks to save the site, but this time did not! Now I do not know my own password. I want to change the password but looks like the system wants my old login before letting me change the password. Is there another way?

Thanks in advance. The page is:

Mark — Preceding unsigned comment added by M.g.stevens (talkcontribs) 18:02, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

@M.g.stevens: I do know that if you don't know your password prior to logging in, and didn't provide an email to recover it, there is nothing that can be done; I don't know if there is anything you can do if you are still logged in. 331dot (talk) 18:05, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Two things: I did provide an email address and I confirmed it in the email link provided. It also looks like I am still logged in, but if I click to change password, it wants my original password before allowing the change. — Preceding unsigned comment added by M.g.stevens (talkcontribs)

@M.g.stevens: You can use Special:PasswordReset when you have set an email address. Special:ChangePassword requires the old password to protect you from somebody hijacking your account if they get access to a logged in browser. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:19, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Looks like that worked. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by M.g.stevens (talkcontribs) 18:25, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

I'm new here, I am trying to learn how to edit pages properly. I am focusing on albums of musicians and bands first

Can someone give me some tips on how to go about doing this.

I am trying to add in bonus tracks for foreign pressings of albums right now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JapanNick (talkcontribs) 18:34, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

There are a few Wikiproject's of use like Wikiproject Music and Wikiproject Musicians Thanks, RhinosF1 (talk) 18:40, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi, JapanNick. Welcome to the Pleasuredome Teahouse. Frankie says relax and Take It Easy at first! Start by looking at music-related articles that interest you personally and just make minor corrections to spelling or grammar to get the hang of editing. Remember that this is an encyclopaedia, so never add anything unless you can support it with a reference from a reliable source. Avoid using crowd-sourced websites like IMdB as these aren't regarded as reliable. (See Wikipedia:Reliable sources). An, beware of falling into the Gordon Giltrap of changing the stated genre of musicians without first discussing this and gaining agreement (consensus) with other editors. You do that by posting on the article's associated Talk Talk Talk page (see Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines). I'd suggest you start off by learning the basics of how Wikipedia operates by undertaking The Wikipedia Adventure. There are 15 badges you can earn during this interactive tour. Almost a Magical Mystery Tour in its own right! Good luck, and come back anytime with further questions, or see Help:Contents for a whole load of useful links to get more Help!). It helps if you remember to sign every talk page post you make. You do this by simply typing four keyboard tilde characters (like this: ~~~~) at the very end. See You Later, Alligator, regards Nick Moyes (talk) 20:12, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

The 2010 Flash Crash explanations are all incorrect and I can prove it but breaking thru the media wall and "expert" explanations is very difficult

Hi, I edited a flash crash page (courtesy link: 2010 Flash Crash) and was told it was on hold. I'm new at this. Thank you for your patience. Since 2005 there has been a computer program in the 1 minute boxes of the Dow Index found on trading platforms. Flash crashes in the stock market are planned events. I/we can prove this 100%.( My husband Alan and I). The explanations currently on wikipedia cannot be verified at all. Peer review means nothing if the original work is incorrect. Why has nobody looked at the data feeds to trading platforms for an explanation? Disclosing this will expose a code that insiders use to know what the highs and lows of each day will be, how many points it will go up and down and the date. This info is known up to 5 days ahead. The SEC has our enormous amount of documentation and of course are just sitting on it. What do I do to expose how flash crashes are planned out events. The news media, professors who don't have a clue, attorneys, etc. help the programmer and insiders because they have a business conflict. This material has been vetted by numbers people that don't want to get involved with this huge white collar crime. It's been a long time since the first Flash Crash happened which actually was in 2008 and I/we have been stone-walled by the media, law firms that have seen our material and know it's accurate and true, Certified Public Accountants,etc. Our motivation for exposing this code is our loss of money from trying to trade before we found the code and the end to others who are losing money trading against a fixed game. Now they're into cryptocurrency which we have no documentation of but the same companies are involved in this new scam. And yes we were stupid to try to trade the stock market in the short time frame. How do I expose this on Wikipedia? Can I add a video to Wikipedia? I'm afraid YouTube will try to interfere. Thank you for letting me say all this. The info about flash crashes from all sources that is on Wikipedia now is NOT TRUE..

Flash Crash explanation page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Think about normal (talkcontribs) 20:10, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Think about normal, The edit did not cite any sources and was not formatted very well. In addition, it sounded more like a conspiracy theory than a declaration of fact. As a general rule, I try to stay away from question sentences. If you want to expose it, then I would contact a prominent newspaper and try to make your case there. Maybe a mention of it will get on wikipedia. Have fun! WelpThatWorked (talk) 20:24, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Hello, Think about normal. Welcome, and thank you for coming to the Teahouse with your concerns. Unfortunately we cannot help you for two reasons. Firstly, the Teahouse is here to assist editors who have difficulty with editing in general., and we rarely get involved with individual topic issues. Normally, we simply advise editors to post on the relevant article's talk page. However, in this case, I would certainly advise you and your husband against that, and simply tell you that you will not have any success trying to use Wikipedia to alert people to any concerns, new ideas or theories, nor to promote any personal interests you may have here. You see, Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia which simply reflects what other reliable sources have published about notable topics. You can't simply add stuff that you happen to know. You first need to get your ideas or concerns covered by independent sources. Only then can it get accepted on pages here. For that reason your edits were immediately reverted by an automated bot which detects content that seems unreliable or damaging to the article. I'm really sorry about that, but there are other ways to promote awareness that don't involve editing Wikipedia, such as blogs and personal websites, as well as getting the attention of journalists in the mainstream media if there are serious issues which society has overlooked. Trying to change the world by changing Wikipedia first simply doesn't work. I confess to not fully understanding exactly what it is you were trying to get across, but I think the principle is the same no matter what ideas and concerns anyone may want to get publicity for. Wikipedia just isn't that place. Sorry. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:28, 15 January 2019 (UTC)


Hi i just wrote an article and they declined it i want to know why they did so or its just because i'm from South Africa? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Siphelele GoodenoughThemba (talkcontribs) 21:26, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Siphelele GoodenoughThemba, and welcome to the Teahouse. Goodness, we welcome absolutely everyone from right around the world, and where you come from is absolutely of no concern or relevance to any of us, whatsoever. What you need to appreciate is that Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia of notable things, and no more. Everything here must be based upon facts published elsewhere. It is definitely not a place for your personal musings, short stories or for publishing your own writings. I'm afraid what you wrote in Draft:MARRIED TO A CHURCH GIRL is quite the opposite of the type of content this encyclopaedia seeks. I'm guessing it is the start of a school essay, or something similar? This is why your draft was rejected, and for no other reason. I advise you to consider publishing your ideas in a blog or personal website instead. Sorry about that. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 21:48, 15 January 2019 (UTC)


I don't understand this former/latter use in Wikipedia. What does former and latter mean?

  • For example: She chose the former
  • Second example: I can't take the latter

Can someone please tell me what these two words mean in reference to two things? Angela Maureen (talk) 23:48, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

There's no special use in Wikipedia, Angela: they have their normal meanings. "Former" means earlier, or the first mentioned of two; "latter" means later, or the last mentioned of two. --ColinFine (talk) 23:59, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Reverting vandalism

I sometimes like to revert vandalism on the recent changes patrol, but sometimes reverting the vandalism and warning the user or IP is a tedious process. First, I analyze the changes to determine whether the change in good or bad faith. If I believe it's in bad faith I press the undo button to undo the changes. What's tedious about that is that if the same user or IP has made multiple bad faith edits, it can be tough to revert. Then, I warn the user with warning templates with the article they edited in the warning. Can I make the process of reverting vandalism easier then they way I do it? Mstrojny (talk) 23:56, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Mstrojny. Twinkle can certainly make the mechanics of the process easier. --ColinFine (talk) 00:08, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
ColinFine, I will try it. Mstrojny (talk) 00:17, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Changing an image


I work for a company and the wrong version of our logo has been uploaded to our wiki page. How can i supply and replace the logo with the correct version?

Best Paul. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Taylor78377 (talkcontribs) 14:31, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

The first thing you need to do is to read about conflict of interest, and make the mandatory declaration required for paid editing. After that you can read WP:logos, and then make a request at the article talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:36, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
Taylor78377 et al - to save everyone else trouble, this refers to the logo used in the Northumbria University article. The article logo matches the one that is on the web site, so I don't know what the problem is. There are two logos on Wikipedia though - the current one [[4]], with the university name misspelled, and a different one here [[5]] with the correct university name spelling, and a lower case l. This should be on the talk page - starting a discussion there. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 01:21, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi everyone. Could you pls review the article for Benjamin Schnau after I made last requested changes

Hi everyone, Could you pls review the article for Benjamin Schnau as I adjusted all requested points. Thanks in advance. --Franklin187 (talk) 18:08, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Draft:Benjamin Schnau (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) for convenience. Bellezzasolo Discuss 19:16, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
Would help if you can find a ref for his role in The Purge. David notMD (talk) 01:23, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

How do I make a new article?

I want to make a new article on Lunkohod 0 but I don,t know how to start and how to create it. Please help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blackbird923 (talkcontribs) 18:32, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Blackbird923, and welcome to the Teahouse. Advice on how to go about the difficult task of writing a new article is in your first article. --ColinFine (talk) 18:58, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi Blackbird923. If you also want to start writing already, you can head to the Article Wizard. It will help you create your article draft. Regards, Darwin Naz (talk) 03:01, 16 January 2019 (UTC)