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Create a new listing and add to an existing one help

Hi, I need help to create a new listing and add to an exisiting one. I am not technical and am struggling to do this. I dont understand the "speak" and just want to put right somethings and add some otheres but I always get declined. Can you help please. Also I am not always available to work on this but I am free at the moment.thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lou Renwick (talkcontribs) 14:50, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

On existing articles, you have been adding factual content but without references in support. Wikipedia requires references. See Help:Referencing for beginners. On the created article, you added material that is under copyright protection, another no-no. David notMD (talk) 15:33, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
Hello, Lou Renwick, and welcome to the Teahouse. It may help if you reframe your intention from "create a listing" to "write an article". Wikipedia does not contain anything that I would call a "listing": it contains neutrally-written articles, which summarise what reliable independent sources say about a subject. Information which does not come from a reliable source is generally not acceptable in any Wikipedia article, and most information in an article should come from a source unconnected with the subject of the article. --ColinFine (talk) 17:38, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Article Got Declined - Need Help With Citing


This is my first time submitting an article, would love some insight on how to fix it. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marianoisemoguls (talkcontribs) 16:13, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

The reviewer of Draft:Joe Laresca left comments as part of the decline. For example, you put links in the text (like this: YesJulz) in addition to referencing same. Remove all those links. Refs should not be just the URLs. Factual statements should be removed if the only possible sources are Joe's LinkedIn, IMDb or YouTube. And more, but start with that. David notMD (talk) 17:39, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Instagram / Twitter

Maybe a stupid question but can Instagram / Twitter links be used as citations if they are from valid journalists / third party sources? I found a citation for something that does not have a web article but is a social media posting from Billboard Magazine about Billie Eilish's album performance. Grimothy29 (talk) 15:49, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Hello Grimothy29, and welcome to the Teahouse! And not a stupid question at all. Per WP:TWITTER, no. On occasion, we use a persons socialmedia etc to cite their birthplace/birthdate or something else uncontroversial, but you can't use them to say stuff about other people. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:00, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
Then again there's WP:SELFPUBLISH which says "maybe": "Self-published expert sources may be considered reliable when produced by an established expert on the subject matter, whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable third-party publications." But then the question becomes, "If it's only on some social media, is it WP:DUE to have it in an article?" Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:10, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
@Gråbergs Gråa Sång: Thank you for the information! I guess my question is if it is something like this - a reliable source with information that may not have a full article on it (for example). I am trying to find the Billie Eilish Instagram post for reference. I also had a second question if you don't mind me asking. I am currently on break so have some time to improve my Wikipedia editing and contribution. Grimothy29 (talk) 20:54, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
In that particular case I would search for something like this [1] instead. Try googling just "news" (or "books" depending on topic), it will often get rid of a lot of blogs and stuff we don't use anyway. Ask away, that's what this place is for. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:06, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
@Gråbergs Gråa Sång: Duly noted! Yes - my second question is I am currently taking a stab at my first article and I'd like to have someone more experienced than me help me out with it before I submit. Unless I should just go through the draft submission process? Thank you. Grimothy29 (talk) 23:44, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
@Grimothy29: In the future, create a new thread when you have a new question (otherwise, people might see that you got answers and skip to the next question without realising there is a new question pending).
The draft submission process is intended to give you some feedback, so reviewers will not blame you for posting a not-perfect draft. You are still free to ask for input before submitting, though.
If that is about Draft:Create_Music_Group, I would say it looks good, but there might be some debate about notability (the Forbes piece is quite decent though). TigraanClick here to contact me 11:36, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
@Tigraan: Thank you. Yeah I'd be totally fine working on something else I was just doing some research on music and trade publications I read frequently and came across this company. I'll see if I can maybe find something else to work on though if it might not go through. Will keep chipping at it in the meantime. Grimothy29 (talk) 19:10, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Notability for a new organisation

I have created an article for FairBnB, including links to recent articles in both Forbes and taz that I believe to be significant, independent, reliable, and secondary. It has been proposed for deletion arguing that the coverage is too soon, but the "too soon" essay does not cover companies or organisations. When is it too soon to write an article for a new company or organisation that has received significant (but not overwhelming) press coverage? --Gerrit CUTEDH 16:22, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

My 2c: the three provided sources may just be sufficient to demonstrate notability, but it's borderline. None are great - the Forbes article is their usual we-will-print-anything-you-say interview style that confers little notability in itself; the TNW article is a little better but still mostly a vehicle for the proprietors to present themselves; and the TAZ article is merely a passing mention. If it came to a deletion discussion, this could go either way. - You are within your rights to remove the PROD header, but be prepared to argue the significance of the coverage in a follow-up AfD. More and better sources would certainly be desirable. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 19:42, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Why it takes long to being reviewed, can i move it to main article namespace ?

Here is the article that i submitted as draft, Ghanashyam_hemlata_vidya_mandir,_Puri can i move it to mainspace as i think it is complete. --Rocky 734 (talk) 17:16, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

You submitted it to Articles for Creation, as as noted in the form at the bottom, it may take as long as two months for a reviewer to act on it. The whole idea of AfC is to get guidance on what a draft needs. If you move it to mainspace yourself, it may very well be nominated for deletion. I recommend patience over precipitous action. Your draft contains many facts which have no references. David notMD (talk) 19:41, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

A page about me

Hello! Many years ago I used to have a user page that was great and showed up in google searches, but at some point it was taken down, perhaps because of vandalism, or because someone made a negative wikipedia page about me. Then a couple years ago I tried to replace it with an actual encyclopedia page, but got banned pretty quickly. What is the best way to try to have a page about me? Should I ask someone else to make one? Should I start with another user page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by E6slidefilm (talkcontribs) 21:15, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

@E6slidefilm: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia is not for merely telling the world about yourself, and writing an autobiographical article is highly discouraged, see WP:AUTO. Wikipedia has articles about subjects that meet Wikipedia's special definition of notability as shown with independent reliable sources(for biographies, see WP:BIO for notability criteria). Wikipedia has no interest in what an article subject wants to say about itself. If you truly meet the notability guidelines, an independent editor will write about you at some point. Keep in mind that a Wikipedia article is not necessarily desirable, as once one exists, almost any information about you that appears in independent reliable sources can be in the article about you, be it good or bad.
As for user pages, they are meant for the user to introduce themselves to the Wikipedia community in the context of their Wikipedia editing or use; it is not meant to be a social media-type description of the user. Please see WP:USERPAGE for information about acceptable user page content. If you just want to tell the world about yourself, you should use social media. 331dot (talk) 21:24, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Getting participation in discussions?

How do I get participation in discussions? On new articles I've written, I use the talk page but often no reply. Do I start cluttering up Wikiproject talk pages with invites to come view my article? Can I tag users who might be interested, or is that frowned upon? If it is ok, how? Thanks. DiamondRemley39 (talk) 11:33, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

@DiamondRemley39: Wikipedia now has so many articles that it's sometimes difficult to get feedback unless you solicit it. Peer review is a formal process designed for this, but you might not get much attention there. I think the best way to find people interested in a topic is usually a WikiProject. Some of them are rather large and have lively discussions. One reason why I like working with popular culture topics is because I know that it's easy enough to find a centralized discussion forum that will have decent participation. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 12:46, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
NinjaRobotPirate, Thank you for answering my question! The Wikiprojects it is!--DiamondRemley39 (talk) 22:26, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
From a glance at your User page, looks like you have created at least 14 articles, most within past three months. Your topics are not high profile (most averaging fewer than five visits per day). A few have been subsequent to creation edited by other editors, but not all. Basically, there is no flag to wave over new articles (or old articles, for that matter). Visitors will find them, or not. A subset of those will be inclined to make additions or changes. And a subset of those will be moved to leave a comment at Talk if they believe their edits might be contested. Mostly, time will decide how these articles will be changed by others. David notMD (talk) 13:29, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
David notMD, thanks. I'm talking mostly about articles I've written, but now that I think about it, it probably happens more on articles that I did not create, so I should have phrased my question better.--DiamondRemley39 (talk) 22:26, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

List of rooms in the White House

I am soon going to create the list List of rooms in the White House but I am afraid it might get deleted. There already is a category: ( but I am not sure if that counts as a list. Even if I do create the list I will not be sure on how to start. I have only made content pages, not lists. Should I create the list or not? And please help me get started if its fine. AdrianWikiEditor (talk) 13:10, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Category:Rooms in the White House is already listed at White House#See also. What extra value would your list provide? --David Biddulph (talk) 13:19, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
@David Biddulph: I was kind of wanted to add a table, possibly an image or something like that. So from left to right, the table would be Name, Description, and Image. Other rooms, not yet articles could also be there. AdrianWikiEditor (talk) 13:24, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
@AdrianWikiEditor: It sounds like a good idea to me. As mentioned, it would need to provide value beyond what's already in the Category and the existing White House article. Maybe you could find a reliable source for details like the size of the room, and maybe organize them by location and function. It looks to me like White House#Layout and amenities is relatively short but already has floorplans showing all the rooms. So I would think your proposed article could be linked from there using Template:Main. If you make a draft, I'd be interested in editing it as well, please let me know. Krubo (talk) 23:43, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Is this website owned by the Wikimedia Foundation?

This website looks exactly like a Wikipedia. Is it owned by the Wikimedia Foundation in any way? (talk) 23:44, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

@ No, it is not owned by Wikimedia. The reason they look similar is because they use the same software, called MediaWiki. Many wikis run on this software. Saucy[talkcontribs] 23:50, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Reference/Image Dilemma

I made a Wiki page for a small indie game that hasn't been released yet. All of the information I put on the page is from my own personal knowledge (not a ton of info) and I want to know how to type a reference. Can I link myself somehow? Also, I've been trying to put in an image, but am having trouble uploading it to Wikipedia servers to put it into the page. Here is a link to the image: (the image is the banner above the article). I do not technically have permission to upload the image, but, it's a news article? How do I put this in? I can't speak French if I actually need to contact the company.

My draft page: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sensatai (talkcontribs) 21:50, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, an article like you describe will not be accepted on WP, see WP:Notability (video games). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:00, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
What you know personally is considered original research, and not allowed. And the image is considered copyright property and cannot be used. David notMD (talk) 02:37, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Why does my article violate the rules Wikipedia ?

I have written articles about shooting games fiah game, really this topic I have not seen on Wikipedia and I want to contribute it to Wikipedia so everyone can find information more easily! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Friendzone93 (talkcontribs) 02:18, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

If you think your page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion".--Quisqualis (talk) 03:54, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

message an editor

Hello, I need to send a direct message to an editor. How do I do this please?..... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vastcorp (talkcontribs) 03:32, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Every editor, you included, Vastcorp, has a Talk page. Go to that editor's Talk page via the Talk link next to their name in their signature, and click the tab at the page top for "New section". Don't forget to sign your post with 4 of these tildes~.--Quisqualis (talk) 03:58, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
Before you embarrass yourself, consider the meaning of the phrase "reverted unsourced edits". This article should prove helpful. Your vast knowledge is not much appreciated here, nor is anybody's vast trove of knowledge. What is important in this encyclopedia project is research, reliable sources, and proper citation style. It's really not a fun activity for most people.--Quisqualis (talk) 04:10, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Problem with an image

I'm trying to add an image to this article. I'm pretty close to certain I'm doing it correctly, but it won't show up. HalfShadow 18:02, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

There were some duplicate parameters in the infobox code, and the later ones were overriding yours. A preview of the offending revision showed the errors - "Warning: Numberblocks is calling Template:Infobox television with more than one value for the "image" parameter. Only the last value provided will be used." "Warning: Numberblocks is calling Template:Infobox television with more than one value for the "caption" parameter. Only the last value provided will be used." The second "image" parameter was empty, so neither it nor "caption" would be displayed. -- Begoon 18:28, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
I've never really added an image to an article before (modifying an image doesn't really count), so I didn't think there was anything that would prevent the image from showing. I wasn't getting any edit warnings myself, so I was unsure what I was doing wrong. HalfShadow 22:51, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
The warnings only showed up on a page preview, so if you didn't preview you wouldn't have seen them. -- Begoon 05:04, 3 April 2019 (UTC)


Hello! I am currently working on my first Wikipedia page for Create Music Group to try my hand at writing an article (after discussing at Teahouse and getting some advice on what is and isn't notable in the space). I'm early in the process but just wanted to see if I could get some feedback or articles to look at before I submit this? I'm very self conscious about my writing so anything would be appreciated. Thank you! Grimothy29 (talk) 01:59, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

@Valereee and Cordless Larry: Hi guys! Just wanted to ping you here since you were extremely helpful last time I made a Teahouse entry. Thank you and enjoy your day (wherever you are from). Grimothy29 (talk) 15:43, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
Hello again, Grimothy29. The only way to find out whether a draft will pass review is to submit it, but it looks like a reasonable start to me. Your final sentence is incomplete, so I suggest fixing that. I also wonder whether the Music Business Worldwide sources contribute to establishing notability, because they come across as though they might be based on press releases. I could be wrong about that, though. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:32, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
@Cordless Larry: Thank you. I will further investigate the notability of Music Business Worldwide and maybe ask the Teahouse about it. You guys are all so helpful. Appreciated. Grimothy29 (talk) 00:12, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
Just to clarify, Grimothy29, it's not whether the source is notable, but whether it is independent and therefore whether it contributes to establishing the notability of the subject, Create Music Group. Cordless Larry (talk) 06:38, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

need to add image

hello, i need to add an image, i once almost activiated that function before, but now i can'r find it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80stunes (talkcontribs) 00:30, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

he, 80stunes welcome to the Teahouse. Sorry for the long wait for a reply. Providing you have an image that you own the copyright of (i.e.that you took yourself) you may find help and guidance at this page: Wikipedia:Uploading images. Let us know if you have any specific problem in uploading, but bear in mind that Wikimedia Commons does not accept 'fair use' images and has its own policies and administrators who manage image there, and are thew arbiters of what is and is not acceptable. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 09:22, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

I need some help with the articles that suggestionbot offers me

I asked suggestionbot for some suggestions but they are all about polish people and/or written in polish. I used to live in Poland but I dont know polish and I would also like to edit articles from other parts of the world, what can I do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:801:381:8A62:19FF:5178:2AFB:AB78 (talk) 13:14, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Hello IP editor, welcome to the Teahouse, and apologies for the long delay in replying. I assume that you're posting here as an Ip, but normally use a registered user account? If so, then got to this section of the User:SuggestBot/Requests page to learn how to specify the type of articles that the bot recommends to you.Although I don't use it myself, I think the default mode is to suggest articles based upon your recent edits. So perhaps you edited a few Poland-related pages recently which caused the bot to assume that's what you were interested in most of all. Hoping this helps, Nick Moyes (talk) 09:31, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Want to do task on Wikipedia

Where can i found new tasks on Wikipedia? Is there some one to provide tasks or i can edit any article randomly?— Preceding unsigned comment added by LTKT (talkcontribs) 09:37, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

LTKT Welcome to the Teahouse. You can take either approach. One good way is to look at topics you're personally interested in and see if minor changes like spelling or grammar need fixing. Only add new factual content, though, if supported by an accompanying citation. Having found one article that's relevant o your interests, take a look right at the very bottom of that page where a number of 'Categories' are named into which that article has been put. By clicking on one of those you'll see all the other pages which are also categorised in the same way. Thus, you find a load more similar articles to look at. We also have WP:WikiProjects where editors with shared interests can work on one subject are or another. In contract, you can look at Wikipedia:Task Center which shows you the types of tasks you might be interested in, ranging from copyediting, adding references, expanding from tiny stub articles, etc etc. You might also find that Wikipedia:Community portal offers you similar types of suggestions. Any problems - just pop back and ask. Oh, and why not try out The Wikipedia Adventure for a fun tour of the basics of editing Wikipedia? Nick Moyes (talk) 11:08, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Justin Huang

Hi, i noticed negative information was removed from the Justin Huang page, including details of his conviction for money laundering. This information was referenced with newspaper articles and court reports.

I would like to ask if it was removed by a Wikipedia editor? If so, can i discuss the reasons. Or if was not a wikipedia editor, can i ask for the deletions to be reviewed?

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Before the Bang (talkcontribs)

Hello Before the Bang welcome to the Teahouse. Everyone who edits a page is called a 'Wikipedia editor' there's no hierarchy of who is and isn't a special type of editor here. Taking just a brief look at the article (and by going to the 'View History' tab) it's clear another editor removed a large amount of cited content stating that it was more relevant to another article. It looked rather overly detailed to all be relevant to this one article, rather than the company Huang ran, so that might have been justified. You should check to see whether the editor has/is going to reinsert it elsewhere. That said, I think the corruption charges and conviction are relevant to his article, so should be reinserted (I'm assuming the three cited sources are indeed reliable. They absolutely must be if the text is to remain in a WP:BLP - I've not checked them). You have the option to revert their removal and discuss on the article's talk page and how content might need to be edited, or you could keep it as it is and discuss on either the talk page or the deleting editor's own page. Personally, my 'gut reaction' would be to reinsert only the section on criminal convictions and legitimate accusation, leaving out the other stuff, and then take to the Talk page of the article to explain what you've done and seek consensus on what happens next. So, if you want to reinsert it verbatim, explain why; if you want to reinsert a cut-down version explain why; if you want to know why it has been removed, ask for reasons/consensus. (Please note I have not viewed the article in depth to assess the merits of all the content, but have simply endeavoured here to guide you as to the possible actions to take.) I hope this helps a bit. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:55, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
Yes, that material was removed by Chongkian. The comment was that it belonged in an article about the miramar resort, but in fact the removed material covered a number of controversies - that was just one of them. I suggest raising the matter at the article's Talk page. --Gronk Oz (talk) 11:06, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
I have raised the question at Talk:Justin_Huang#Controversies - please contribute your viewpoint there and keep an eye on the conversation. I pinged the editor who removed the material, so hopefully he/she will reply there to expand on the reasons.--Gronk Oz (talk) 11:20, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, i will follow those options up. Before the Bang

My draft

At the top of my draft Draft:Hulishan Fortress, there is a template called "人物保护单位". On the Chinese Wikipedia the draft is copied from (for now), the template shows a big box containing a picture of the Fortress, it's preservation status, and other statistics.

The problem, however, is that the template is in Chinese, and thus does not function on English Wikipedia. But since I've seen similar boxes (if not identical boxes) on English Wikipedia articles about similar topics, I know that the template in question most likely exists here, just having a different name. But what is that different name? I tried all the translations of the Chinese name of the template using edit preview, but nothing seems to work. Anybody know what the right template to use is? Woshiyiweizhongguoren (🇨🇳) 11:15, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

@Woshiyiweizhongguoren: That entire article seems to be written in Chinese. But this is English Wikipedia, and we only accept articles written in English. I can't tell which template you intended to use, but it could be something like {{Infobox ancient site}} or {{Infobox Military Structure}}, depending on what aspects you want to emphasize. --Gronk Oz (talk) 11:29, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
@Gronk Oz: I know. I'm going to be translating it into English. Woshiyiweizhongguoren (🇨🇳) 11:31, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
@Woshiyiweizhongguoren: Great. Are those templates suitable, or do you need something different? --Gronk Oz (talk) 11:46, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
@Woshiyiweizhongguoren: Google translation of template name: "cultural relics protection unit". It appears to be an infobox for sites listed in the Chinese Major Historical and Cultural Site Protected at the National Level. We don't have an infobox specifically for this. Some of the other sites in Category:Major Historical and Cultural Sites Protected at the National Level use {{Infobox historic site}}. You have to work with the documented parameters of templates. It is not tailored to a Chinese database like the Chinese template but it does have designation parameters to specify some database information. We have {{Infobox NRHP}} tailored to an American database but they obviously don't list Chinese sites so it cannot be used here. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:54, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
Everything's fine now. Thanks. Woshiyiweizhongguoren (🇨🇳) 12:14, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Pasting images

I just wanted to know how to paste images. I want to know because a picture would look good on my user page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BizzareGuy (talkcontribs) 11:36, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

This essay explains how to use basic image syntax on Wikipedia; hope it's helpful. Yunshui  12:21, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
@BizzareGuy: To add images that re already on Wikipedia, first you click the "edit" or "view source" button, then scroll to where the image is. It should be in the format "File:(image name)" with two square brackets around it. Copy all of the brackets and whatever is inside them, then paste them on your user page. That should work. Woshiyiweizhongguoren (🇨🇳) 12:22, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Repeated removal of content

I am an employee and I want to publish some informative content about the project I am working on, but they are declining it again and again. I have created a new user, with an individual username and published the content but they have flagged it again saying all about copyright infringement. The links they have given are owned by my project and watched by me. Can anyone help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SehrishJ2019 (talkcontribs) 09:46, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

You declared a COI on your User page for Draft: DocEasy, but as an employee, what applies is WP:PAID. If DocEasy is really Wikipedia-worthy, then in time someone without any affiliation to it will compose an article. Also, even if the webpage you want to copy from is by the company you work for, it has its own copyright protection, which means you cannot copy that content and paste it into a Wikipedia article. David notMD (talk) 13:27, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Article title cpaitalization

If I'm creating an article about a brand or subject that is deliberately not capitalized, how can I reflect that in Wikipedia? The title always forces the first letter to a capital. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dave Harig (talkcontribs) 12:53, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi Dave Harig, welcome to the Teahouse. You can use {{lowercase title}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:15, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
Hey! You can force it to display as a lowercase letter by adding the tag {{lowercase title}} at the top of the page, as per WP:NCTR. CalOtter (talk) 13:21, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
Dave Harig, you can make things display correctly by placing {{lowercase title}} at the top of the page. Alpha3031 (tc) 13:28, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Reply templates

The "ping" and "re" templates are one and the same, right? If not, then what's the difference between them? Woshiyiweizhongguoren (🇨🇳) 12:17, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Woshiyiweizhongguoren: They are the same and both redirect to Template:Reply to. Notifications are caused by a link to a user page. It doesn't matter whether the link is made with some template or written directly. I wrote [[User:Woshiyiweizhongguoren|Woshiyiweizhongguoren]] here to notify you. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:49, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
Okay, got it! Woshiyiweizhongguoren (🇨🇳) 13:56, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Follow-up to New post

Hello! I wonder how to publish my information. Is there anything I can do right now? Thank your for your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:13, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

If you are User:Mtrams, the first thing you need to do is to respond to the message User talk:Mtrams#Disclosure of employment on your user talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:58, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

How to Redirect an Article

Hello! So I was recently trying to work on Chinese Red Army, and I came across 'Cold Weapons.' I created a new article, hyperlinked 'cold weapons,' and went onto Cold Weapon. From here, I'm having troubles. I'm attempting to redirect Cold Weapon to List of premodern combat weapons, and I'm having difficulties. Could i have assistance? Thanks! Keep in mind that I only recently went over 10 edits, so I'm one of the newest people in here. TheTeaDrinker (talk) 13:43, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Cold weapon and Cold Weapon should not redirect to List of premodern combat weapons. First List of premodern combat weapons does not mention cold weapon at all. Next not all the weapons on List of premodern combat weapons are cold weapons. There are weapons on the list that use gun powder. ~ GB fan 13:52, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
@TheTeaDrinker: To make a redirect, type "#REDIRECT" followed by a link to the target article, with a space in between. Woshiyiweizhongguoren (🇨🇳) 13:58, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
Hi, TheTeaDrinker! Welcome to the Teahouse.
We do not have an article Cold Weapon, so I suppose you mean Cold weapon, which used to be an article some time ago (Special:PermanentLink/711621565) but has been cleaned as a dictionary definition.
For information about redirecting I suggest you read Wikipedia:Redirect. If you find any trouble with that page you're welcome to come back and ask for clarification. --CiaPan (talk) 14:00, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Is a software`s website source considered as a reliable source ?

Hello wikipedians, as my first time in here as a member i would like to understand the way the referenses and reliable sources are working on in here. I have an article about a software that takes most of the writing from this software`s website and especially from the source code of this website. Could this be reliable source / reference and what else is needed ? Can anyone on the field of software explain better to me ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vasileios V. (talkcontribs) 14:44, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

A source's reliability is tied to what you are trying to show with that source. What are you writing in Wikipedia and tying to the source, that is what are you trying to allow readers verify as true with that source? Specifically with self-published sources, they can be reliable, but depends on what you are trying to use the source to verify; secondary sources are more reliable, and better for most purposes, but self-published sources can be useful, though less so and sometimes not at all. --Jayron32 14:51, 3 April 2019 (UTC)


What causes my signature to look weird in this edit? Woshiyiweizhongguoren (🇨🇳) 14:40, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

There is an extra space causing it. If you edit the page you'll see the code is {{Teahouse talkback}} [[User:Woshiyiweizhongg... Note the space between the curly braces and the square brackets. - X201 (talk) 14:43, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
@Woshiyiweizhongguoren: Generally, a leading space at the start of a line causes special formatting. The output from {{Teahouse talkback}} ends with a newline so the space becomes leading. The documentation says a signature is supposed to be added as a parameter with |ts=~~~~. Also note |question title goes here. The template uses this to link directly to the section. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:14, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

How do I make a page protected?

How can I protect a page from editing so that anonymous users cannot spread false information? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Garib Jilan (talkcontribs) 18:21, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

If there's a page that's been persistently vandalized, you can request that it be protected by an administrator at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. Normally, though, misinformation (added by anyone, anonymous or otherwise) is simply removed by another editor. Eman235/talk 18:26, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
However, you appear to be in an edit war. Administrators will not protect your preferred version of a page just because you want them to. If you would like to make productive changes to articles, then you need to cite reliable sources and stop telling other editors that they can't edit pages. No one WP:OWNs any articles here. shoy (reactions) 18:32, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Editing article vs editing section

Hi! Newbie here (joined earlier today and just finished TWA). I was wondering if there are any advantages or disadvantages to editing a section vs editing the entire article. In TWA, it always used the "Edit source" button at the top, which would edit the entire article, but for long articles it seems like it would be easier to just edit the section in question. Thanks and great to be here :) (Did I sign this question correctly?) Kmisal (talk) 17:35, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

@Kmisal: It depends what kind of edit you want to achieve. I mainly work on transforming poorly written articles into well written articles, so it’s best for me to edit the entire article, as it’s quicker. However, if you only want to edit a particular section, do that. Also, you did sign correctly. :) – DarkGlow (talk) 17:43, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
Hello, DarkGlow. If the edit you want to make is within one section, there are several reasons to edit just that section: first, the editor will load only that section into your session, rather than the whole article: this may save you time (particularly if you have a slow connection), and will reduce the load (slightly) on the Wikipedia servers. Secondly, if somebody else is also editing the article at the same time, but edits a different section, then the edit conflict algorithm doesn't have to be applied to see if your edits are in conflict or not. Thirdly, you will have less material to scroll through in your browser to find the bit you want to edit. --ColinFine (talk) 17:54, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
@Kmisal: It may be difficult for The Wikipedia Adventure to determine the right section so I can understand why it always edits the whole page. For human editors, I recommend the section if you only make changes in one section. It makes some things easier for you like finding the right place to edit, and view the result when you click "Show preview". It also makes an automatic edit summary which names and links the section you edited. See for example the grey text in the page history of this page.[2] PrimeHunter (talk) 18:03, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
OK, that makes sense. Thanks DarkGlow, ColinFine, and PrimeHunter! Kmisal (talk) 19:25, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Permission to Use Quotations and Pictures of Frederick Douglass & Abraham Lincoln, from "Wikiquote," in Middle School History Class Handouts

I respectfully request permission to use excerpted quotes and pictures from the "Wikiquote" webpages. These excerpts are quotes and related pictures of Mr. Frederick Douglass, and President Abraham Lincoln, on the subject of slavery. This material is for inclusion in a handout for approximately 50 middle school (6th & 8th grade) students, in their regular history classes.

I have read the Wikipedia / Wikiquote / Creative Commons License Deed pages. Although it "appears" that my copying and use of the excerpts that I selected is permitted, I wanted to confirm, with you, that my use of these excerpted quotes and related pictures is permitted.

I am a volunteer, working with a concerned citizen group, to augment the teaching of history in several of our schools in St. Lucie County.

If this is permitted, I assure you that this material will acknowledge "Wikiquote" as the source and will not be used commercially or for any profit. Your reply to this email will serve as permission, if granted, for this request.

Thank you, in advance for your kind consideration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ATH627Gold (talkcontribs) 20:31, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

The Teahouse is for questions related to the English Wikipedia. Wikiquote: is a separate project, but as you will have seen by looking at the Creative Commons license pages you can use the material if you give attribution. --David Biddulph (talk) 20:40, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Nicholas S Bouquet

Hello, My Great-Grandfather Nicholas S Bouquet's last name is misspelled in Wikipedia. The title says Nicholas Boquet. Is there someone who could edit the correct spelling for me? Last Name is spelled: Bouquet

Thank you! Sandra Bouquet Carslick — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scarslick (talkcontribs) 21:09, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

The army website uses the spelling "Boquet", but I've moved the article to your spelling on the assumption that the army got it wrong. Dbfirs 21:37, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Other Wikipedia sites with different languages

I was looking up a people from Quebec's past and found a number of people, but their in French like this one Abraham Martin. It there a way to make these available in English? I have seen George de la Tremoille has both English and French.Jlastowski (talk) 22:30, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Welcome back to the Teahouse, Jlastowski. Yes, there are certainly ways to do this, although one must always bear in mind that each language Wikipedia has its own policies on important matters like Notability and Reliable Sources. There are a number of ways for you to get an article converted into English, and the obvious one is for you to attempt it yourself. If your non-English language skills are not great, I would suggest focusing solely on the key notability issues, taking advantage of all the references cited in the other language. (Whilst we like to see sources in English, it is definitely not an essential requirement.) See Wikipedia:Translation for more details on the routes available to you. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:49, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

"known for"

Somebody on my talk page is saying that the phrase "known for" is problematic. For example, if someone became notable for starring in a reality series, I would write "Example is known for appearing on this series in 2017". I’ve seen "known for" on hundreds of articles, and have seen several heavily experienced editors say that it’s ok. Can someone clarify this query? Thanks! – DarkGlow (talk) 17:25, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

To me, "X is known for Y" is original research unless it is backed up by a reference not just to the fact that X did/was Y, but to the claim that X is known for Y", DarkGlow. --ColinFine (talk) 17:48, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
I don't have a problem with it myself, though. It's used throughout the website, for instance in the lede on Michael Richards. In your case, the article you're in conflict on has a light filmography other than his main role. I personally think it's fine, but also consider other ways of communicating it. SportingFlyer T·C 01:05, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

A question about two editors editing the same article

Hello, is there a tool available that allows someone to cross-reference the edits of two editors to see how many articles they have both edited? and which articles they have both edited? I searched google for such a thing but got nowhere. Thank you! SteamboatPhilly (talk) 01:28, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

@SteamboatPhilly: Yes, take a look here: Wikipedia:Tools#User interaction analysis. (There are other useful tools on that same page.) SportingFlyer T·C 01:32, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

WOW, thank you for the quick response, that is amazing. SteamboatPhilly (talk) 01:34, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

No worries, good luck! SportingFlyer T·C 01:38, 4 April 2019 (UTC)


I want to get the word "Draft" out of my title. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80stunes (talkcontribs) 23:37, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi 80stunes. If you're refering to Draft:For Real(Tom PettySong), I wouldn't advise you do that because that particular draft is not even close to being ready to be upgraded to an article and would likely end up quickly deleted if was WP:MOVED to the article namespace. So, my suggestion to you is to read some pages like Wikipedia:Your first article, Help:Referencing for beginners, Wikipedia:Notability (music) and Wikipedia:Article to get an idea as to how to write a proper article and what kinds of things are OK to write about. Once you've done that, you might want to take a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Songs for some pointers about how to write Wikipedia articles about songs; you can also ask questions on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Songs. You might also want to look at some Wikipedia:Featured articles about songs because these are very good examples on how to write such articles. Once you've done all of those things, try and take everything you learned and incorporate the most useful stuff into writing the draft. Good luck.-- Marchjuly (talk) 01:21, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
Many of Tom Petty's songs are the subject of articles. See American Girl (Tom Petty song) for a long article, others are shorter. Those would be good models. David notMD (talk) 01:49, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
I have added the {{Draft article}} template to it, which has a button to submit the article for review so it can be promoted. But please address the issues that Marchjuly describes above first, or it will just be rejected.--Gronk Oz (talk) 01:58, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Change speed of animation?

Hi. I've never done this before so my apologies if I'm in the wrong place.

While searching information on wikipedia, I came across an animation of a rotating skull that displays muscles of the face.

While informative, it would be great if the publisher would slow down the speed of the animation. It's simply rotating too fast to study the muscle.

That's it. Thanks so much! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Urbanleaf (talkcontribs) 15:51, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi Urbanleaf, welcome to the Teahouse. File:Zygomaticus major muscle animation small.gif says 60 frames, 6.0 s. That matches how Firefox displays it to me: A full rotation takes 6 seconds. Does your browser animate it faster or do you think 6 seconds is too fast? It seems suitable to me. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:02, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
Hi, Urbanleaf! Our article on GIF format says the animation speed is encoded into the GIF file's header:
The animation delay for each frame is specified in the GCE in hundredths of a second.
(see the GIF#Animated GIF section)
I can imagine a browser could apply some multiplier to that delay and thus slow-down the animation – but I'm not aware of any browser actually having such capability. --CiaPan (talk) 08:06, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

How to use or search through a sorted table?

In this page table (or any similar table) how can I search for 2 or more things at once (e.g. Windows, Fantasy, ARPG). I currently use ctrl+f with sorting but is there a way to "remove" some platforms or subgenres just for my view? - DarkRandik (talk) 22:22, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Hello, DarkRandi welcome to the Teahouse. Whilst I'm not a massive expert on Tables, I don't think there is any way to selectively remove rows from view. I was also going to say that I didn't think you could sort on two columns in a sortable table, as you might commonly do in Excel. But on researching this answer for you, I find that you can actually do that here (providing the original table has been well constructed in the first place, of course.) See which says that, after sorting on one column (by clicking the top 'sort' arrow), you then go to the second column you want to sort on, press Shift whilst then clicking that column's sort icon. It certainly works in the example table you've given us. Anything fancier, and the best method might be to copy and paste the table's full contents into Excel and work on it there. Does that help you? Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:01, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
That's pretty good since I can sort 2 columns and highlight the important bits in 1 more with ctrl+f. Thanks Nick Moyes - DarkRandik (talk) 08:15, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
I'm pleased we could help you. And I learned something new, too! Nick Moyes (talk) 08:41, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

How can upload article

Hello sir i need some help give me some information to how can i upload article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wpnews18 (talkcontribs) 08:17, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Wpnews18 Welcome to the Teahouse, but I'm afraid there is a problem with your account. You are clearly representing a news organisation (see this diff) and are editing with a promotional name which suggests multiple users. You may not have realised this, but this is regarded as a serious breach of our policies (see here), and so your account will shortly be 'soft-blocked' from editing. But don't panic. One individual person may create a new account, but they may not permit anyone else to use it. That individual may then continue to work on Draft:Maulana Shahabuddin Razvi. That article is nowhere near ready for this encyclopaedia yet; it's a mass of bad links with limited content or properly constructed references. See Wikipedia:Your first article and Articles for Creation, and WP:REFBEGIN for how to create proper references to Reliable sources. So, do come back under another username and seek further help when you need it, and we will help you with the next steps. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:35, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

How can this information be known to the public : Yargo De Lucca (1925-2008), painter, engraver and sculptor

Not the place for a draft

Yargo De Lucca studied in Marburg, Frankfurt, at the Stuttgart State Academy (under Willi Baumeister) and in Munich. Scholarships allowed him to travel across Europe, Africa, Asia and America. In 1951, he moved to Canada and became a Canadian citizen. From 1961, he lived and worked in his workshops in Altenrhein on Lake Constance (Switzerland) and in Lac des Deux Montagnes (Canada). In 1985, he lived in Javea, Alicante (Spain).

In 1945, Yargo de Lucca received the Tima Award in Los Angeles. In 1958, he was awarded in Montreal with the Dow Prize to Canadians. The painter then became a member of the Akademie M.A.I. (Masters of Fine Art International). Four years later, De Lucca was presented in Düsseldorf with the Prince Bernhard silver medal. In 1970, he won the Venice Biennale. In 1972, the Canadian painter received the gold medal for painting in Rome. Over the next two years, he received the Certificate of Merit twice in Cambridge, England. De Lucca won in 1974 and 1975 in Monte-Carlo, the Palme d'Or Fine Arts Award.

In 1975, Yargo de Lucca was named Men of Achievement from Cambridge as a graphic designer. At the Grand Prix de Lyon in 1976, he won the bronze medal. In 1977, he won the Marquis Award in Chicago, the Trofeo d'Oro at the Biennale Internazionale d'Arte in Italy and the Trofeo Calabria at the Premio della Stampa in Italy. The following year, he received a gold medal at the International Art Competition USA, an honorary gold medal member of the Italian Academy, a Premio Leone d'Oro di Firenze, and his appointment as a professor h. c. at the Accademia Italia delle Arti delle Lettere e delle Science. In 1979, he became a professor at the Accademia delle Signoria di Firenze, he obtained the key to the city of Vegas, 2nd intern, Art Exhibit in the United States and held the Premio "Lorenzo il Magnifico" di Firenze. In 1980, he received the Premio Italia for painting, he exhibited at an internal art exhibition Salsomaggiore and was appointed honorary member of the Roman Academy.

In 1981, he was admitted to the Legion of Honor, Legion d'Oro, became professor h. c. University of Arti in Salsomaggiore and received the Jacob Burckhardt Award in Rome. In 1982, he received the Culture Prize of the city of Florence, Angelo d'Oro. Works by Yargo De Lucca are among the following museums and public collections:

• Los Angeles County Museum of Art • Santa Barbara Museum of Art • Art Institute of Chicago • New Orleans Museum of Art • Montreal Museum of Fine Arts • National Museum of Fine Arts of Quebec • National Gallery of Canada • Museu de Arte de São Paulo • Gezira Center for Modern Art • Puschkin-Museum • Tel Aviv Museum of Art • Tate Gallery • Louisiana Museum of Modern Art • Moderna Museet • Stedelijk Museum • Folkwang Museum • Galleria Nazionale d'Arte Moderna • National Museum of Modern Art • Kunstmuseum St. Gallen • Vancouver Art Gallery • Dominion Gallery Montreal

For info : Marc M. Mignault — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:38, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

This is not the place for a draft so I have collapsed its display. If you believe that the subject satisfies Wikipedia's definition of notability, the advice is at WP:Your first article. --David Biddulph (talk) 07:46, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
Use the Article Wizard to start an article please. (talk) 08:13, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
A few things:
  • The proposed text is a direct translation of the German article, de:Yargo De Lucca. A new, translated article must credit the source article. See Wikipedia:Translationfor how to do that.
  • The German version has no sources. English Wikipedia has different pocilies and guidelines, and the consensus here is that articles need sources. See WP:CITE for how to do that.
  • The subject is very likely notable per our notability guidelines for artists WP:NARTIST because his work is represented in several museum collections.
My advice is that we can have an articleabout De Lucca once all the major claims in the article are supported by citations. I have not found much online, but it may well be that sufficient sources exist. Vexations (talk) 12:55, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Drafting Collaboratively


Is it possible to share my sandbox page to collaborate with another person while drafting an article?


Artie Artie Berns (talk) 14:39, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Ths short answer is yes. Although your sanbox is "yours" anyone can read and edit it. Beeblebrox (talk) 15:26, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

updated an image with a new version, it doesn't seem to work??

I updated File:Bayview Secondary School.PNG, but all I'm currently seeing is an elongated version of the file on both the file page and the target page. How do I fix this? The Verified Cactus 100% 18:27, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi The Verified Cactus. I see the new version with both image and text. Your browser may have cached the old version. Sometimes it's cached by our servers for a while so it may also be about timing. Try to bypass your cache. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:14, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Hijacking Nemenhah page

User Jmckael keeps hijacking the Nemenhah page, removing facts, and replacing them with promotional material. This is the second time I have posted about this page here. He was warned not to continue making these edits. He claims that he is restoring factual information to the page, citing first-hand knowledge no one else has any possibility of verifying. Can someone please fix it and look to prevent further destructive edits? I have neither the time nor the experience. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doopwii123 (talkcontribs) 18:16, 4 April 2019 (UTC) Edit for clarification: by my understanding, this organization deceives people into believing in their alternative medical treatments and has put the life of at least one minor at risk because of that. Wikipedia must maintain some standards of quality control when it comes to the spread of bogus medical science, otherwise it is complicit in the spread of diseases we have the technology to stop! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doopwii123 (talkcontribs) 18:20, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Reverted to earlier version. Suggest extended discussion at Talk before this degenerates to an edit war. References, not emotions. David notMD (talk) 19:28, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
Thanks! I've set up alerts to watch the talk page. Doopwii123 (talk) 19:39, 4 April 2019 (UTC)