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I would like some userboxes on my user page that shows how many orbits the planets have made since I joined Wikipedia. I don't have experience creating userboxes so I would like someone to create it for me. If you can find someone who is willing to make these userboxes, please direct them to this Teahouse post. Mstrojny (talk) 21:25, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

If you look at Wikipedia:Userboxes, there is a list of users who will help you create a user box. You may want to browse the existing user boxes first to see if what you want already exists. RudolfRed (talk) 22:48, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
Teahouse host trouted. Mstrojny (talk) 23:00, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
Oops. Thanks. RudolfRed (talk) 23:06, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
Hey, Mstrojny, do give it a try yourself. It'll be a great learning experience for you, and not really that difficult (apart maybe from the counting the planets bit(!) And which planets anyway: Mercury or Neptune?). I'll bribe you by promising a barnstar if you succeed on your own! And it needn't be one that actually counts. Go for it! I might even put it on my page...for a bit, anyway. PS: No need for the trout - it was you that messed up your signature, not RudolfRed! Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:08, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
Nick Moyes, I have created the userboxes here. However, I need help with the part that calculates the number of orbits of the planets. Can you help me with that? Mstrojny (talk) 23:45, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
Mstrojny I'd love to, but it would be a new area for me, and I simply don't have the time to commit to learning something that's way beyond my current skill level...
(...that's 'me speak' for "No, sorry!"). Nick Moyes (talk) 23:52, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
Also, achieving barnstars is not important to me. I like what I do and I strive to do what is best for Wikipedia and I don't expect anything in return (although I would accept barnstars). Mstrojny (talk) 23:56, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
@Mstrojny: see User:DannyS712/template sandbox2 - same parameters, plus a "planet" parameter that determines both the bold text and the image - works for all planets (and pluto). If this works for you I'll clean it up and move it to the template namespace. --DannyS712 (talk) 01:15, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
@DannyS712: Can you please add the documentation so I know what parameters to put in please? I wasn't able to get it to work. Mstrojny (talk) 10:08, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
@Mstrojny:  Done --DannyS712 (talk) 17:59, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
@DannyS712: See my userpage. I still have the errors. Did I do something wrong? Mstrojny (talk) 19:25, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
@Mstrojny: nope - fixed --DannyS712 (talk) 20:15, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
@DannyS712: Could you explain to me what you did to create this userbox? Nick pointed out that it would be great learning experience for me. Mstrojny (talk) 10:24, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
@Mstrojny: Broadly, Danny's template works by relying on {{userbox}} and parser functions to do the calculations involved. Here, {{Userbox}} functions as a "meta template": a template for creating other templates (I put "meta template" in quotes because it's not a common wiki-term, it's just my way of explaining it).
However, while it would be possible for Danny or others to explain every detail of the template's inner workings, it would probably be rather time intensive and probably not as worthwhile as you imagine. Instead, I would suggest reading Help:Template, which will allow you to understand how templates work generically, which will allow you to create or modify any other templates.
If you have any questions or confusion while reading that help page, you are welcome to ask at my talk page (or if you want me to reply here, you can ping me here using {{ping|E to the Pi times i}}; I won't be watching this page, so I won't know otherwise). eπi (talk | contribs) 14:31, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
@Mstrojny: in short, I used a "switch" function to set the image based on the planet input. Then, having calculated how long you were a user in days, I divided that by the length of a year on the relevant planet, to get the number of years. --DannyS712 (talk) 16:06, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

To add a question, please complete the Subject line, then explain your question in the box beneath it

Let's say you wan't to add the text (Look at source code) : for some random reason. (For you guys it's probably explaining how to bold an apostrophe. Oh. Nevermind, just look at source code.)

Or maybe this (again, see source code) :

42This user has made over 42 edits.

How do you add it without Wikipedia automatically ______. (I don't know the word, but you get the point. Hopefully.)

I just previewed this and it looks... un-neat?  AltoStev  Talk 15:53, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

@AltoStev: Welcome. I'm really struggling to understand what you're asking here. Could you make an old man very happy - and try again, please? Nick Moyes (talk) 16:35, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
@Nick Moyes: How do you show text without Wikipedia changing it? Like showing 2 apostrophes without it bolding, or showing only the text of a template or code without the template or code being run.  AltoStev  Talk 16:40, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
AltoStev I think you're asking how to put something into quotes without turning it into bold/italics due to wikimarkup? If you use two single apostrophes, you'll get italics. Three single apostrophes will give you bold. If you want quotation marks, you have to use (on my mac keyboard) shift-apostrophe. Is that your question, or am I completely missing it? --valereee (talk) 16:51, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
AltoStev, to show the template or code without running the template/code, use <nowiki>text here</nowiki> and vice versa -- again, is that what you're asking? --valereee (talk) 16:55, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
Yes, thank you!  AltoStev  Talk 16:58, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Evald Kampus

I do need your help with editing. My submission summarizes some scholarly publications by Evald Kampus, as printed in Thalia Germanica research society proceedings. These are important contributions in German; on the Estonian Vikipedia they are not included.

My contribution is simply a list of articles as in Thalia Germanica with precise bibliography.

Please help me to edit my submission to a standard where it will be accepted by Wikipedia.

from Juta KitchingJuta Kitching (talk) 17:07, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Juta Kitching. You haven't made any edits before this on English Wikipedia. Are you talking about creating an article on es-wiki? If so, I'm afraid we can't really help you here: each Wikipedia is a separate project with its own rules and standards. You'll need to ask at es-wiki. --ColinFine (talk) 17:42, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
Hello Juta Kitching. I think you're referring to et:Evald Kampus. Are you planning to translate the article into English? To list his publications in a bibliography, I would use the {{cite journal}} template. Here's an example: * {{cite journal |last1=Kampus |first1=Evald |title=Das Schultheater in Tartu im XVI. - XVII. Jahrhundert. Von den Beziehungen der Universität Tartu (Dorpat) zum Theater in den Jahren 1803-1812. |date=1997 |volume=I |series=Thalia Germanica |publisher=Peter Lang |issn=1433-7592}}, which renders as
  • Kampus, Evald (1997). "Das Schultheater in Tartu im XVI. - XVII. Jahrhundert. Von den Beziehungen der Universität Tartu (Dorpat) zum Theater in den Jahren 1803-1812". Thalia Germanica. I. Peter Lang. ISSN 1433-7592.
Good luck, Vexations (talk) 17:55, 6 April 2019 (UTC)


How to edit and add information an article without vandalizing or plagiarizing the source of the given article?BookWorm767 (talk) 1:45, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, BookWorm767. It is easy to avoid vandalism. Do nothing to damage the encyclopedia and edit only to improve the encyclopedia. As for plagiarism, write new content in your own words, summarizing but not copying the cited sources. Please read Wikipedia:Plagiarism for more guidance. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 20:21, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

New Article Creation


I have created one draft article - pending a 2nd review. I recently joined a group and am working on a 2nd article. The question is can I directly post the article... or do I need to go thru the review process? Seems like the first article has gotten a bit bogged down in the process and I don't fully understand the protocol to know if I should or can directly post my new article. Thank you for any suggestions or advice to help me with how to proceed with this 2nd article. LorriBrown (talk) 18:24, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, LorriBrown. The Articles for Creation review process is optional for autoconfirmed editors, and you have that status. You can move your draft User:LorriBrown/Joan Almond to the main space if you want. I suggest expanding it a bit and copyediting it carefully first. You have made a good start. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 20:31, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
Thank you Cullen328 Let's discuss it I greatly appreciate your reply. I'll try to expand and polish it before making it public.LorriBrown (talk) 20:47, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

How often do Hong Kong newspapers cover Canadian businesses customer service?

The South China Morning Post, a Hong Kong newspaper, is cited three times in the CIK Telecom article. I want to make sure it's a reliable source since it's a good portion of the references for the article. It seems somewhat strange to me that a newspaper, even an international one, would cover a Canadian buisnesses' customer service. Clovermoss (talk) 22:32, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

It's possible that they just have really impressive international coverage. I just want to know what other editors think. Clovermoss (talk) 23:31, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
Hello again, Clovermoss. It is not strange at all. CIK Telecom is a company founded by Canadian Chinese entrepreneurs and has concentrated its multilingual marketing on ethnic communities, especially Chinese communities. As well as operating in Canada, it operates in China, Vietnam and India. This is exactly the type of business that the South China Morning Post, a very famous English language newspaper in Hong Kong, covers on a daily basis. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 01:24, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
@Cullen328: Okay, that's awesome! I wish my local newspaper did better international coverage... most of it is based on events in the United States. When we do we get news from other countries, it's usually because something really bad happened. Clovermoss (talk) 01:33, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Propose merge again

Hi! A merge for this article has been proposed in the past for this article (, but no consensus was reached. It seemed that most users were actually in favor of the merge. Would it be appropriate to propose the merge again now it is a few years later? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Initramfs (talkcontribs) 17:56, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Seriously bad sign, two projects not agreeing on who forked what when, sounds like FFmpeg and what's-its-name. If that situation changed, sure, try it again, four years later could make sense. – (talk) 02:16, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Editing Tables

I notice that in some tables the far left column is shaded darker grey like the top row. When editing that far left column (i.e. titles in a discography) and create a new row, the titles get written in bold and centered, as opposed to aligned to the left and italicized (no bold). And I can't get it to change. Please advise. Also, I'm using the visual editor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by YouCanDoBetter (talkcontribs) 05:27, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi, YouCanDoBetter welcome to the Teahouse. I've had a play around and have a solution for you. It will involve you switching to Source Editor to make one small change which I don't think you can do in Visual Editor (I appreciate you telling us which editing tool you were using - that really helps). As always, I advise testing tables in your personal sandbox, which I've just done (see here) and have copied below. I took one of the many tables from the article Johnny Cash albums discography and tried repeating what you describe using only Visual Editor. That gives the first of three new entries (Nick Moyes sings) which you see centred in bold (not what you want, and for multiple reasons!).
Still using Visual Editor, and by going to the toolbar and switching the setting from Header cell to Contents cell, I managed to insert the second of my three new 'hit' singles. But I could not find a way to reinstate the shaded background from the white one. Again, this isn't what you want.
The solution you need to follow is simple, but you'll have to use Source Editor by clicking the 'Edit source' Tab (although be aware you might have set your 'Preference' not to show this. If that's the case, you'll need to change your own personal settings.) Anyway, open in Source Editor and look over the way the wikimarkup has created the table, especially paying attention to the line showing the album titles. It looks like this:
! scope="row" |The Fabulous Johnny Cash
Notice the ! scope="row" entry before vertical pipe (|) symbol followed by the album title in italics (the pipe defines a new cell, and italics are created with double apostrophes either side of the title)
If you now copy and paste in ! scope="row" before the title of your new entry you will be adding a command which changes the appearance of the cell to the one you want. Check the last entry in the demo table below:


Title Details Peak positions
Johnny Cash with His Hot and Blue Guitar 1
The Fabulous Johnny Cash 19
Johnny Cash Sings the Songs That Made Him Famous
  • Release date: November 17, 1958
  • Label: Sun Records
Nick Moyes sings Release date: 4 April 2019 4,124,292
  • Release date: January 12, 1959
  • Label: Sun Records
Nick Moyes keeps on singing (ft: BADLY) Never released (thank goodness) -
Songs of Our Soil
  • Release date: September 1, 1959
  • Label: Columbia Records
Nick Moyes gets it right by editing wiki source Limited edition
"—" denotes releases that did not chart
If you want to learn more about formatting in Tables, just click the link in my third hit single to take you to Help:Table and do a text search for: scope="row" It's a massive and detailed help file, but you should find much there to assist you in future table editing using the Source Editor. Let me know if this helps. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 09:27, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
^.^b Some YouTubers sing, WikiMedians should be also allowed to try it. – (talk) 02:31, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Legacy way to mark signature?

I was reading a tutorial about formatting and found --~~~~ mentioned as wikicode for a signature with a time stamp but it seems to do the same as ~~~~?

--~~~~ Also mentioned here.

And how do I link to wiki pages like this: ? The /Formatting I can't search for in the link creator.

--~~~~ --> --DarkRandi (talk) 15:02, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

~~~~ --> DarkRandi (talk) 15:02, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

DarkRandi, Well, The ~~~~ is what actually adds the signature, the -- just adds those characters before it. As for the link, you may just have to add the /Formatting part manually to the link creator. Hope that helps! WelpThatWorked (talk) 15:12, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
@DarkRandi: Doesn't [[Wikipedia:Tutorial/Formatting]]Wikipedia:Tutorial/Formatting do what you need? --CiaPan (talk) 15:30, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
WelpThatWorked Should the --~~~~ be removed from the pages then? And CiaPan I tried it with the link button without typing out the code but that seems to work. Thanks! - DarkRandi (talk) 15:45, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
@DarkRandi: The two hyphens are optional in our software. They are called sig dashes and other things. There is no recommendation whether to include them in the English Wikipedia. Wikipedia:Signatures#How to sign your posts says: "click the signature icon OOUI JS signature icon LTR.png to add two hyphens and four tildes like this: --~~~~". The described icon does add two hyphens so this particular description should not be changed. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:28, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
Well Mr. WelpThatWorked, I want to tell you something about DarkRandi because as a responsible Wikipedian i shouldn't be biased even if we are from the same country. His name is very offensive. "Randi" is a slang word which means prostitute in Indian language and I think that having names of offensive and abusive nature is strongly opposed so you might take action or find a solution towards it, if it exists. From a universal servant Levent Heitmeier (talk) 17:37, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
@Levent Heitmeier: I understand your perspective. However, the word in question is also a legitimate name that many people have, and the username policy indicates only to take action if there is no legitimate reason to have such a username. -A lainsane (Channel 2) 17:49, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
I changed my signature to make it less obvious, is it good now Levent Heitmeier?
Also PrimeHunter this formatting page says that --~~~~ does "Sign talk comments (with time stamp)" and then shows the username with a time stamp but no hyphen so we should add hyphens there I guess? - DarkRandik (talk) 19:36, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
@DarkRandi: Yes, that makes sense. I have added the hyphens.[1] PrimeHunter (talk) 19:50, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
DarkRandi I am nobody to decide what is obvious and what is not. What I feel is going wrong here or there gets reported to someone who is more experienced. Actually names can never be offensive unless it is Sergio Ramos. You just have to keep yourself polite enough like Nick Moyes to respond to the other guys in a good manner. Happy editing! From a universal servant Levent Heitmeier (talk) 01:02, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
Historical background: tear line, that used to be the end of an e-mail before the signature, a new line consisting of -- followed by a trailing US-ASCII SPace and the end of line (CrLf). Just for fun I now always use &ndash;~~~~ (CheckUsers might like it, or ignore it as an too obvious diversion, if they assume bad faith as they should.;) – (talk) 02:44, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Notability guideline for books

I think that Shattered (Walters novel) now meets the notability guideline for books. Is it okay to remove that portion of the template? Clovermoss (talk) 18:43, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

@Clovermoss: Please create proper references, date=, work=, author=, etc., here's what I did in 10+2 steps: Special:Diff/891253478/891300807 + Special:Diff/878662058/891301105. In theory a non-free fair use cover image could be added to the infobox, or requested in one of the two WikiProject templates on the talk page (some project templates support a |needs-image=yes parameter, others don't.)
For the notability I cheated, "October 2013" is old enough to be shot after a few improvements, no matter what it's about: Folks can re-insert it with the old date if they think that the issue wasn't addressed. Clearly three references (not counting one self-published source) is the absolute minimum, the page might still end up on AfD as "not notable". – (talk) 01:40, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
@ I wasn't aware that there was anything wrong with my references. Thanks for fixing mine and the pre-existing one and the wikilink in the article. As for the plot summary, I'm not quite sure the template about the plot should be removed. I think that there's a guideline about writing fictional characters/plots? I'll try to look at the Wikipedia editor navigation for it. The template was also added soon after the article was created - when it didn't have much to other than plot - so it could have more to do with that. Clovermoss (talk) 01:56, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
Edit conflict, maybe I answered your question above.Face-smile.svg84.46.52.28 (talk) 02:06, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
@ Thanks for your help. Also, I think should probably ask this question (I'm not sure if others have already asked it): have you considered creating an account? It's fine to keep editing with your IP address if that's what you want to do, but there are benefits associated with having an account. Whether or not you do, thanks for taking the time to help and try to explain things to me. Clovermoss (talk) 02:29, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
Pinging IPs doesn't work, so there are in fact some disadvantages of not logging in, e.g., IPs can't use the "thanks"-feature. Omniplex randomized their password in June 2006, that's a dead account, but at least they "invented" Template:! (now a magic word) before leaving.
Be..anyone (created 2011) had some obscure reason to stop logging-in three years ago (but will log-in for one commons upload session soon.) The real reason was as simple as "there's no ex in ex-WikiHolic":
IPs have no watch-lists, and on enwiki IPs can do almost anything (create drafts, suggest redirects, merge articles, archive talk pages, and so on) with some minor obstacles, only "upload" doesn't work. – (talk) 03:09, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

How do I ask for a claim in an article to be reviewed?

Hi, On the Wikipedia page for Hydrogen, in the first paragraph, it says "Its monatomic form (H) is the most abundant chemical substance in the Universe, constituting roughly 75% of all baryonic mass.[7][note 1]". I don't seen where it specifies `monatomic`. Is there a tag that says "Hey, can an expert verify this and maybe provide a proper citation for it"? I tried googling it myself with no luck.

Sincerely, Itchyjunk (talk) 09:34, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Itchyjunk! [dubious ] may be what you're after, you write it {{dubious}}, preferably comment on the talkpage too. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:47, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
The Wikilink to monatomic has the same statement "Monatomic hydrogen comprises about 75% of the elemental mass of the universe." with a reference. If I reach back to dim memory of college physics, I think the point made is that inside stars the temperature is hot enough that hydrogen is in a monatomic state rather than as H2 David notMD (talk) 09:51, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
People are talking at Talk:Hydrogen#Monatomic?. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:55, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
Btw, that reference seems to have linkrotted slightly. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:59, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
Hi, thank you very much. I mentioned my logic on the talk page. I will avoid editing the wikipage itself as there is no hurry and someone can change it if needed. In general, I generously should use the {{dubious}}. For example, I sometimes see super old papers being cited which have been challenged in modern time. Would that be a good use? And is it always okay to ask questions about an article on it's talk page? Thanks, Itchyjunk (talk) 10:15, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
I defer to you and GGS (again, astrophysics NOT my area of expertise). In general, Talk page of articles are the right place to ask questions, as watchers of those articles have an interest. Making a change to the article AND a comment at Talk is a good way to stimulate a debate rather than a simple revert, but is not required. Standard advice is make the change (BE BOLD), and if reverted, then discuss. David notMD (talk) 10:22, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Israeli Articles

Why are most of Israeli, Arab, and Palestinian issues and conflict Articles extended protected ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by BookWorm767 (talkcontribs) 10:54, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

I believe because of a past history of edit warring and POV pushing. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 10:56, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
Hi BookWorm767. See WP:ARBPIA3#500/30 for the decision. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:04, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

How to change url of a wikipedia article page?

As per title, I wish to change the url of a article I'm working on at the moment.

The following is the article in question:

It is still in draft stage at the moment. The new url I prefer would be: or

However, whenever I put the url "" in my browser, I'm redirected to Twice main wiki page instead...

I have several reasons of not wanting the "twice" name to appear in the url. First of all, this is her own wikipedia article. It talks not only about her affiliations with Twice, but her biography. Secondly, she can't be a member of twice forever. Once she quits twice or twice disbands in future, it's be awkward to still associate the twice name with her when she's having life after Twice, for instance her solo career. Another reason being, her other partners in twice did not have the name "twice" in the url.

Thanks in advance, my friends. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PredatorAssassin (talkcontribs) 14:01, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

@PredatorAssassin: Welcome to the Teahouse. From your draft I don't see anything which makes Myoui Mina stand out at this point in time as notable (per WP:NMUSIC) in her own right. Until she does, the redirect from Myoui_Mina to Twice (group) should stand. This would be exactly the same rationale as happened for Jungkook who, until he recently produced some solo singles, was purely and simply one member of BTS, which was notable in its own right. His page redirected to BTS, and it was only a few months ago that he got an article of his own, despite being an incredibly well known figure. My suggestion to you is that you move the contents of your draft back into your sandbox where it can stay and be worked on for as long as you like - years even. Then, later, when Mina goes off to pursue her solo career and becomes 'notable' in her own right, you can discuss on the band's talk page the proposal to convert the Myoui_Mina page back from a 'redirect' to a dedicated page just about her. On the theoretical point about naming, you don't have to worry about that, as when a draft is submitted for review, the reviewer will name the article appropriately (though one can always leave them a note suggesting what the best title would be). Sorry to disappoint you. And please remember to sign every talk page post with four keyboard tilde characters right at the end (like this: ~~~~). Your three-years-too-late post at Talk:Myoui Mina really needed a name and datestamp which the four tildes would have automatically added, making it clear you had rather missed the boat on that particular merge proposal back in 2016 Nick Moyes (talk) 16:15, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Publishing a French Wikipedia page on English Wikipedia

I would appreciate your help in publishing the following French Wikipedia page on English Wikipedia:ère . Once I have translated the article, what should be my first step? Thanks very much, Arthur Perkins — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brett rider (talkcontribs) 16:35, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Brett rider. Please read Wikipedia:Translation, paying special attention to the requirement for proper attribution. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 19:22, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Help with an Article

Hi, I've been working on the article Thomas Parry (Chennai merchant), which has several issues. For example, it needs more references, and some of of the information in it contradicts itself. There is another page on Thomas Perry in the Welsh Wikipedia, and I think that the information from each page could be used to improve the other. However, I'm rather new here and I don't understand Welsh, so I may not be the most qualified person for the job. Can anyone help? Pagesdish (talk) 16:46, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

I don't read Welsh. however the page in Welsh is a stub,with what appears to be no information of value, the two links embedded are dead(they go nowhere).Oldperson (talk) 21:20, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
You can find other sources besides the page's Welsh version. For instance, the book History Dictionary of the Tamils (ISBN: 9781538106853). chronicled the time he landed in Chennai in 1788 until the time his banking and trading agency flourished. After a quick Google search, I also found some online sources you can use.[1][2][3] Darwin Naz (talk) 23:53, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
I placed a search template on the talk page of your article. It may help you find more sources. Thanks for visiting the Teahouse and come back if you run into problems. Best Regards, Barbara 19:28, 7 April 2019 (UTC)


Two Articles Deleted - Even after extensive referencing

Hi everyone, I am sure this gets asks many many times.

I wrote two articles and both are being deleted. IN both cases, I added extensive references from Reputable News Sources, Newspapers, online newsites, etc. My concern, is that the reviewers who deleted are not from my area and do not recognize these sources. In both cases, it was commented that the sources were minor and 'online.'

I am sure we all agree, that the majority of newspapers are online now, so I do not know the problem. In once case, I created a page for a podcast The Night Time POdcast that has acheived over 5 Million downloads, hit number 27 on the North America iTunes charts, is played on Corus Radio (international multiple stations) has been covered by newspapers in the USA, Canada and the UK. I have no idea why this was rejected for not being 'notable'

The second, is the band Paragon Cause, who similarly have considerable news coverage both nationally and internationally.

Its very frustrating at this point as the editors do not seem to apply standards set out by wikipedia and/or interpret these standards in their own way. Jbonapar (talk) 17:34, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Jbonapar. You seem to have a far more lenient definition of a reliable source than most other editors do. At Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paragon Cause, for example, you argued that: "Music blogs, unpaid ones Like Comeherefloyd, Spill Magazine, New Noise Magazine should be considered quality sites as they are not for pay and in todays digital music world, they are one of the primary methods in which artist become notable." This is completely contrary to the widespread consensus that amateur blogs and other self-published sources are worthless for establishing notability. Reliable sources have professional editorial control. Bearcat, a highly experienced editor, explained things quite clearly and thoroughly to you in that debate. If you want to write new articles, then it will be important for you to improve your understanding of what constitutes a genuine reliable source and write articles that summarize only what such reliable sources say about the topic. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 18:19, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi there, I am curious what your thoughts are on then of CBC National News, CBC Local News, Global News (one of Canada's largest news), The Halifax Herald (Nova Scotia's largest print newspaper),The Cape Breton Post (Nova Scotia's Second largest print newspaper). Everyone seems to focus on the blogs, but there is a combination of sources, particularly for The Night Time Podcast. I've asked this a number of times and every time I ask, editors respond by talking about 'blogs.' I'd like for once, someone to comment on these references and why they are not credible. I've also posted articles from Corus Radio, Global and iTunes charts. Why are these not credible?

As for Paragon Cause, why is CBC National News, CBC Local News and CBC national Radio not credible? Again, people are focusing on Blogs and not other sources.

I'd appreciate people comment on this as apposed to focus on 'blogs.' Its the collection of evidence, not singular sources viewed in isolation.

As I've mentioned, with all due respect, I've published over 27 peer reviewed surgical articles in major surgery journals, I've appeared on Good Morning America for my research and I am a reviewer for Major Surgical journals including The Laryngoscope, Facial Plastic Surgery, Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery plus others. I know what a reliable source is, I am one just apparently not on wikipedia. Jbonapar (talk) 11:28, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

@Jbonapar:I know the frustration of having articles deleted that, in my opinion, shouldn't have been. So, I looked into the history of these articles (quickly) and, more importantly, did a internet search using various databases that I have access to as well as a good-old-fashioned Google search to see if either of these articles were deleted unfairly. The majority of the The Nighttime Podcast hits I saw were their own pages (Facebook, Patreon, official website, Twitter, etc...) and much of the rest were self-published websites (eg. blogs). I did, however, find that there were a series of episode recaps in a reputable Canadian newspaper, but you appear to be the author of all of them. This is not to say that the Nighttime Podcast is not valid or unimportant, but Wikipedia (I would say rightfully so) gives priority to topics with broad coverage from unaffiliated, third-party sources. Currently, you seem to the main person covering this podcast, which is not sufficient.
In response to Paragon Cause, I had to get to the third page of my Google search before I found a source that wasn't self-published. Then, when I did see other sources, they were simple announcements, like, Paragon Cause will be playing at this venue at this time. Substantial analysis or third-party coverage of this band does not seem to be there yet. All the news articles I found about the band were only related to the Nighttime Podcast and, again, written by you. I did see one article from the CBC about the song "Drop Me In" listing it as a must-hear song of the week. There is possibly some argument that the song is notable (according to WP standards) but again, its claim on notability is tenuous. There is a great chance that this band will eventually garner the kind of analysis from critics, websites, news agencies and the like that would allow editors to give this topic a broad, balanced, and thorough coverage in an article. But, unfortunately, the resources don't seem to be there at present.--Esprit15d • talkcontribs 14:53, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
I don't know if this will help but you can ask an administrator to create a draft page in your user space and paste the two deleted articles there as drafts. I would hate to think that you might have wanted to start from scratch. Thanks for your Teahouse visit. Best Regards, Barbara 19:33, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Help me

The amount of articles that could have mistakes is overwhelming. I need a guide. Help me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ThePRoGaMErGD (talkcontribs) 12:22, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

@ThePRoGaMErGD: Welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, there are over 5.8 million articles which could have mistakes in them! We have various tools for fixing them, or categorising them into groups which need attention of one sort or another. See Wikipedia:Community portal for one place to find articles needing work. As a newcomer here, you might like to try The Wikipedia Adventure to help you get a feel of how things work. Let us know if there are specific areas of improvement that interest you, and we'll do our best to help you further. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 12:45, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
You have to do what we have to do and correct them one by one. One of the simplest ways to find spelling mistakes is to look for the wavy red line under a word. That means the word is spelled wrong. Sometimes I pick a random article to read and 'fix' it. I also patrol a page looking for mistakes by listening to an article. When you hear a mistake, you can fix it that way. I use a browser app to read articles to me. I catch mistakes better by hearing them. Thanks for your Teahouse visit. Best Regards, Barbara 19:42, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

"Music Mix" Redirects to "Windows Live Messenger"?

I just wanted to let someone know that a search for "Music Mix" redirects to an article titled "Windows Live Messenger." This doesn't seem quite right. The disambiguation page for "mix" lists multiple computer-related topics, but none which bring the music aspect into the fold. I'm thinking that "Music Mix" should redirect to the article Audio mixing (recorded music) instead, but I don't know how to fix it. If someone who knows more than me agrees, would it be possible for you to fix it or walk me through what to do? Thanks! – Kekki1978 talk 01:34, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Nevermind, I was able to make the change. – Kekki1978 talk 01:39, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for your visit to the Teahouse, anyway. Best Regards, Barbara 19:44, 7 April 2019 (UTC)


Is the DYK in the main page supposed to be April Fools? If it is, isn't it supposed to be out of articles/encyclopedia pages? . Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 22:35, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Hello Thegooduser and welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, you are right. The DYK section highlights recent work on Wikipedia. From time to time it focuses on a particular theme, and this year it did host an April Fools Day theme. You can see the discussions to arrange it at Wikipedia talk:Did you know#April Fools Day Preps (and a couple of sections that come after that). DYK cycles regularly and they are gone now, so I can't see what was there - it there something there that caused you particular concern? --Gronk Oz (talk) 00:48, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
Well there were some sections, I didn't know if they were legit or not, because of the way they were worded... --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 02:36, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
@Thegooduser: I don't know a whole lot about April Fools DYK hooks, but from what I know they're made so that the information is "correct", but it's worded in such a way that it confuses readers before they click the link. For example, for the hook "that 1,900 people in Seattle rode the city's slut on a daily basis", it is confusing to readers at first purposefully, but SLUT is actually an acronym for the South Lake Union Streetcar, which is hidden behind the link. It does appear that there has been a bit of controversy over this, however. Hope this helps!--SkyGazer 512 My talk page 03:01, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
FYI, Gronk Oz you can actually find all the DYK hooks on the main page for any day on WP:Recent additions and its archives. There is also WP:Main page history. I've found both of those super useful in many circumstances. :-)--SkyGazer 512 My talk page 03:05, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
SkyGazer512 Yes, that was what I meant to say, the way it was worded was odd. --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 19:55, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

User:SkyGazer 512 fixing ping from message above. Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 19:55, 7 April 2019 (UTC)


When can i write article in wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4055:60D:716B:5081:F839:74D6:776C (talk) 14:28, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor. Welcome to the Teahouse. You can write one straight away, if you wish, and providing it's properly referenced and on a notable topic. The place start work on an article is at Articles for Creation. You might also wish to read Wikipedia:Your First Article. But please be aware that creating a new page from scratch, and have it meeting all our requirements, really is the hardest thing to do here, and especially so for a brand new editor. We always advise people to start slowly and learn the basics of editing this encyclopaedia by making small changes to existing articles first. Do try The Wikipedia Adventure which is a fun way to understand how things work here. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 14:50, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
I was told that there is a three day waiting period before a new editor can add content. Thanks for your Teahouse visit. Best Regards, Barbara 19:36, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
That's for moving your article to main space. You can start now in draft space, or in your sandbox, or use the Wikipedia:Article_wizard. Dbfirs 20:13, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Follow-up to Kashmir Observer

This is its page source

here i am adding some of the references for the page

Sajjad Haider is the publisher and editor-in-chief of the Kashmir Observer.


EXTERNAL LINKS — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sufi519 (talkcontribs) 13:10, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Sufi519. This is not the right place to post these links. Please take them to the article, or its talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 22:02, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
@ColinFine: I think the key point here is that the page on Kashmir Observer has been deleted and, unfortunately, the OP had not helped themselves by apparently recreating the article in a very promotional manner. Having said that, I have looked around online, and am now minded to believe there could be a case for having an article on it, and that WP:REFUND might apply. @Sufi519: I would support you in this, but right now my own free time is very limited. If you are willing to wait a few weeks, I would lend my support to you, as I feel the Kashmir Observer has been referenced a number of times by major news outlines regarding the unjustified detentions of its journalists. I could argue that BBC New Asia (here) reports on the Kashmir Observer; with mentions in The Guardian (here) as well as here. All these mentions are very brief, so it might be argued that WP:NCORP hasn't been met. I might counter by saying that a state-sponsored crackdown on the free press, and the rise of independent news outlets might make it impossible at this time for them to meet the notability standards of western corporations, but that nevertheless they are notable (as far as the state is concerned, but not necessarily in Wikipedia's eyes) in that the state appears to be cracking down firmly on their journalistic freedoms. An alternative might be an article (if one doesn't already exist) on Kashmir press and media, which could cover the media in general and persecution of journalists from its many independent news outlets, based on articles, like this and this and this. But it would have to be a well drafted and well-referenced piece which, unfortunately is well outside my own experience. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:11, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

I am looking for help...

I am looking for help on to edit a business page for a company that I work for on their behalf

The wiki page is RMG Networks.

Thank you in advance,

Ryan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryanflaherty42 (talkcontribs) 00:43, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

@Ryanflaherty42: Welcome to Wikipedia. First, read WP:PAID, for the requirements for paid editors. Then you can try the Tutorial and the Wikipedia Adventure interactive learning. If you have any specific questions, please come back and let us know. RudolfRed (talk) 00:59, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
So far, looks like you are on the correct path. Your User page has a box that declares COI, when the right one is PAID. The article's Talk page identifies you as PAID. Given paid relationship, the way do do it is to create a new section at the article's talk, with your proposed changes to content. If all goes well, a non-affiliated editor will transfer the new content - or not if not. David notMD (talk) 02:14, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

How to move a page one created in the sandbox...

I just made sort of a minor mistake and have created the User:Study the Great Nation i did not want to create. I after created the page Study the Great Nation, but the other page still exists...Is there a possibility to delete it or is there an other solution? Best regards, Lean Anael (talk) 08:55, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Deleted. If it happens in future, then provided you're the only person who's edited a page then putting {{G7}} at the top of it will flag it for deletion. ‑ Iridescent 09:16, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I feel much better now. The G7 trick I will keep in mind. Lean Anael (talk) 09:27, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Need Help creating a wiki link about myself

Hello everyone. I have never wrote anything on wiki in my hole life and was looking for someone to help create a page about me. I need to have a wiki link to get astrotheme to put my birth chart onto the web. I really wanted to be the 55,555 person to become a star on astrotheme.

So now I will write down some stuff and maybe someone can help. I would be very great full if someone helped

Jonathan Paul Grenard was born 11-25-1985 at 7:33 PM in Canon City Colorado USA. After high school he got a job as an electrician and started working in Pueblo Colorado. Jonathan bought a house in 2008 and wanted to build a greenhouse with an aquaponics system to grow food. He also spent time studying astrology amongst other projects. In 2017 he sold his home to become a traveling electrician and found Joy in running around and giving triple high fives to people around town.

There is so much to say I barely know how to start — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1014:B107:5905:207E:318C:EEA6:BAB2 (talk) 09:20, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

-- Thank you for this. Wow.

Hi Jonathan, and welcome to the Teahouse. Unfortunately, most of us (including me) are not eligible for a Wikipedia article because we are not notable in the Wikipedia sense. This is because we have not been written about in independent published sources. Wikipedia includes only those people that others have written about. Sorry to disappoint you, but other social media are more suitable for letting others know about yourself. You might like to try editing a few articles by adding referenced information, or try the Wikipedia Adventure, and you are welcome to put a bit of information about yourself on your own talk page if you WP:Create an account,but it must not look like an article. Welcome to Wikipedia, and I hope you enjoy editing here. Dbfirs 09:48, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

REinstatement of my original entry

Dear Editor, I have been in correspondence with Arjayay, who explained why my revised entry was unacceptable. Would it be possible to have the original entry reinstated? I am not sure how to get in touch directly with Arjayay. Many thanks, Miriam Green — Preceding unsigned comment added by Miriam R Green (talkcontribs) 10:36, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Appears you added content to an article about yourself Miriam Green. Arjayay deleted the March 26 additions, but left the rest of the article. If you want to communicate directly with Arjayay, go to Arjayay's Talk page User talk:Arjayay and start a new section. The rationale behind the deletion was that Wikipedia articles are not resumes, so listing publications is not appropriate. David notMD (talk) 10:52, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
At the article, clicking on View history shows chronological changes. To the left side of each, clicking on "prev" shows what was added or subtracted. One of Arjayay's comments was that some of the content you added may be OK, but requires references. What you know to be true is not sufficient. David notMD (talk) 12:58, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Trying to create a profile for actor Joel Choo

Trying to create a profile for actor Joel Choo. But it's seems being rejected.. How can I get it up? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joelchoo (talkcontribs) 11:13, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Joelchoo Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Your username suggests that you are Joel Choo. If you are not, you will need to change your username at Special:GlobalRenameRequest or WP:CHUS. If you are, you should read about our policy on autobiographies; in short, they are highly discouraged.
You also seem to have a common misunderstanding about what Wikipedia is. It is not social media that has "profiles". This is an encyclopedia that has articles about subjects shown to meet our special definition of notability as described in independent reliable sources. Wikipedia has no interest in what an article subject wants to say about itself, only in what third parties want to say about it. Your draft is- to be frank- wholly inappropriate as an encyclopedia article. If you just want to tell the world about yourself, you should use social media. 331dot (talk) 11:23, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Actually im trying to do something like the links below.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joelchoo (talkcontribs) 11:43, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Joelchoo Please click "edit" next to the section header above for any follow up questions. As I stated, please read the autobiography policy; writing about yourself is highly discouraged, as people naturally write favorably about themselves(among other reasons). If you truly meet the notability guidelines written at WP:BIO, someone will eventually write about you. Also understand that a Wikipedia article is not necessarily desirable; as long as content about you appears in an independent reliable source, it can generally be in any article about you, be it "good" content or "bad" content. You also cannot lock it to what you might want it to say about you, or prevent others from editing it. 331dot (talk) 11:51, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
As noted on your Talk, if you are in fact a fan, and not Joel Choo, then you must change your User name. Until then, blocked. David notMD (talk) 13:01, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Je ne peux pas télécharger mes propres photos sur un article que je viens de créer

Bonjour, Je redémarre Wikipedia après 9 ans d'interruption... J'ai dû recréer un compte pour cela avec le même identifiant mais un mot de passe nouveau (du coup j'ai deux pages avec mon identifiant N.Cayla

J'ai pu sans problème compléter un article et en écrire un nouveau avec des photos mais sur celui que j'essaye d'améliorer actuellement, je ne parviens pas à télécharger les photos alors qu'elles sont de moi. Est-ce qu'il faut que les photos soient natives de l'appareil photo donc en haute résolution ou bien on peut les retravailler ? Merci de votre aide. — Preceding unsigned comment added by N.Cayla (talkcontribs) 06:24, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Rough translation from French:

I can not upload my own photos on an article I just created
Hello, I restart Wikipedia after 9 years of interruption ... I had to recreate an account for that with the same identifier but a new password (so I have two pages with my ID N.Cayla

I could easily complete an article and write a new one with photos but on the one I'm trying to improve now, I can not download the photos while they are mine. Should the photos be native to the camera so in high resolution or we can rework them? Thank you for your help.
(Translated by Google, pasted here by CiaPan (talk))

Hi N.Cayla. Since the Teahouse is basically for asking questions about editing English Wikipedia, it would be easier for one of the hosts to help you if you asked your question in English. While there are probably some hosts who understand French (I think that's the language you're using), someone else might have the same or a similar question to yours and whatever answers you receive might benefit such people as well.
Now, if you're question has something to do with Draft:Le géoparc des dinosaures du pays de Hateg, then it would also be helpful if that draft was written in English. English Wikipedia is only for articles written in English; so if, by chance, you're working on a draft for an article which you would like added to French Wikipedia, then you'd probably be better off working on it at French Wikipedia or asking for help at fr:Wikipédia:Forum des nouveaux. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:33, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
@Marchjuly: Looks like N.Cayla copied the article here from fr-wiki (compare Draft:Le géoparc des dinosaures du pays de Hateg to fr:Géoparc des dinosaures du pays de Hațeg). Possibly they meant it to be translated to English, but that's just my guess. --CiaPan (talk) 06:51, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for that CiaPan. @N.Cayla: If that's what you're trying to do, then you need to read Wikipedia:Translation. It's OK to translate articles from other language Wikipedias to English Wikipedia, but it's important that you understand that each language Wikipedia has its own policies and guidelines; so, what might be acceptable as an article on French Wikipedia might not be acceptable on English Wikipedia. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:20, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
Bonjour N.Cayla. Vous avez reussi de télécharger à Wikimedia Commons quelques images comme c:File:Magyarosaurus Dacus .jpg et c:File:Maison des volcans du Géoparc des dinosaures du pays de Hateg.jpg. Qu'est-ce qui s'agit du problême avec cet article? --ColinFine (talk) 08:50, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
Thanks ColinFine and CiaPan for trying to sort this out. One thing about those Commons photos is that they might not be OK to keep per c:COM:FOP Romania since that appears to be the country of origin. Perhaps you can explain that to her (see c:Commons:Droit d'auteur par territoire/Roumanie and c:Commons:Liberté de panorama for some French version of the relevant Commons pages). The copyright of the photo is not the only thing which needs to be considered; the copyright of the work/building being photographed also needs to be considered as well. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:22, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Sidebar references

Hi there - How do you add sidebar references to entries (such as biographies), please? Not a coder so don't really know about how to use html for that.

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cattyjoked19 (talkcontribs) 09:46, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Cattyjoked19, are you talking about adding an infobox to an article -- a box that generally appears in the upper right and provides bits of information about the subject of the article? If so, there's help here: H:IB --valereee (talk) 14:17, 8 April 2019 (UTC)