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submitted article was rejected - "Wesley Boudville"

I'm new to this. I submitted an article "Wesley Boudville". (Yes, it is about myself.) It was rejected by Editor Cassiopeia. The rejection had 2 parts. The 2nd part was about formatting - "Please remove all external links in the body text." Fair enough. I can make those changes.

But the first part said "This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject."

I disagree. The article refers to 12 patents. There are links to each patent at These are all published on the web. By definition, they are reliable. The US PTO decides what becomes a US patent. Under US law, the PTO is the legal AUTHORITY on this subject. And the PTO is independent of the subject (Boudville). The links to the patents are also have "significant" coverage of the subject. I am listed in each patent page as the ONLY inventor. Without me, the patents would never have existed. This surely should count as significant.

There is another link in the article which goes to an article in, concerning a company that I co-founded with 2 others. I suggest that this is also published and reliable. And it is independent of the subject. The SEC regulates publicly traded companies. individuals have no authority over the SEC.

But there are other links in the article which might well be considered superfluous, where indeed there is no "significant" coverage of the subject. I wrote links to Caltech and Uni. Western Australia (where I studied). These webpages do not mention me. So I can certainly remove the links to those sites. But I did notice on other wikipedia articles were such links existed - for example for "Valerie Alexander", where there are links to webpages of U.C. and Berkeley, where she was a student. Those pages do not refer to her.

Can I get some help on this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wesboudville (talkcontribs) 06:13, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Wesboudville. Perhaps you misunderstand what "significant coverage" means. An approved patent application is not significant coverage of you as a person. All it includes is your name. It does not include any biographical details such as where you went to school or what your work history has been, or the commercial impact of your inventions or a critical assessment of your career. Similarly, SEC listings just provide basic standardized information about individuals associated with a company. These are data points. They are not significant coverage. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:26, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
Wesboudville Hi, Pls click on the blue highlighted text on the grey pane and my comments and they will lead you to further information of your questions. You could seek help for Article for Creation here - Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk. Secondly, You have a conflict of interest (COI) here since you are the subject of the article. Wikipedia highly discourage editor with COI to edit/create on the arfected page. Pls disclosure your COI on (1) your user page and (2) on the article talk page. See WP:DISCLOSURE for into and template.Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 07:24, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
Hello Wesboudville, and welcome to the Teahouse. Unfortunately, you started editing WP with something that is almost impossible, writing an article about yourself. While theoretically possible, my advice in short is "don't even try". Take the time to read Wikipedia:Notability (people) and WP:PATENTS. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:29, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
Delete all mention of patents. Have there been publications about you and your career? If not, may not meet Wikipedia's definition of notability. OK to Wikilink in the article to schools you attended and companies you worked for, but Wikilinking does not count as referencing. The problem for many of us in the science fields is that our careers may not be newsworthy. This feels annoying when almost every professional athlete appears to be Wikipedia-worthy. David notMD (talk) 14:13, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

where is my content written in sandbox?

I could not find my writings in the sandbox. Plz help me to find out it so that I can edit it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mamata Padhi (talkcontribs) 15:07, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

@Mamata Padhi: if you are talking about User:Mamata Padhi/sandbox, it has been deleted for inappropriate content (advertising that's not suitable for an encyclopedia). – Finnusertop (talkcontribs) 15:10, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Unsourced Biography

I wrote a new article about an Italian singer songwriter which is well known in Italy. All her album are available on, for example. The article was refused because "Most of biography and musical career are unsourced". So I went to the "Madonna (entertainer)" article and I found that here also most of biography and career are unsourced. So please delete this article. I don't know which this "Madonna" is. To me she is only the mother of Jesus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vinix (talkcontribs) 23:43, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

@Vinix: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The Madonna article is indeed sourced; you will see numbers in brackets like this: [1] Those link to the sources that support the information; the list of sources is at the bottom of the article. Most of the content in your article does not indicate what the source is for the information. You may wish to read WP:CITE for more information on citing your sources. Don't be discouraged- successfully writing a Wikipedia article is the hardest thing to do on Wikipedia. You may also wish to read Your First Article and use the new user tutorial. 331dot (talk) 23:51, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
For interest's sake, an article exists at the Italian Wikipedia, it:Naïf Hérin. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 00:39, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
Hello, Vinix. After your comment above, I took a look at Madonna (entertainer) and discovered that it is rated a Good article and has 392 refererences. If you tell lies on Wikipedia, then people will not trust you. Please be cautious. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:40, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
#Former featured article, JFTR, I'm still interested to get it back to featured. Never upset those vindictive IPs like me, they could skip "assume good faith" as fast as 1-2-3. – (talk) 12:45, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Vinix may have made a beginner's mistake. The Lead of Madonna (entertainer does not have references, which is OK, as the body of the article does. David notMD (talk) 13:56, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

IOW, some folks handle the lede (lead) like an "abstract", it has to make sense by itself, and everything in the lede has to be covered in the "body" with corresponding references in the body. For completely new stubs that's not required, everybody is glad if there are good references at all.Face-tongue.svg84.46.52.110 (talk) 15:43, 20 April 2019 (UTC)


Hi! Please how do I make use of infobox in my articles.  Would appreciate a reply. Thanks

Ohanwe Emmanuel .I. (talk) 00:07, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Ohanwe Emmanuel .I.. Please read Help:Infobox. Please also be aware that infoboxes are very unpopular among a certain group of editors. It is not worth arguing about infoboxes, so please do your best to avoid infobox conflict. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:34, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
Dunno, I dislike navbox templates with lots of red links, because that clobbers Special:WantedPages and might offer no new insights above categories, but needs-infobox=yes is a pretty common parameter in lots of WikiProject templates. I even apologized for submitting a draft without infobox to the AfC review today. What's wrong with infoboxes, are they not shown on mobile? – (talk) 16:00, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

How to change font size in wikipedia editing

Can change Font type? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Georgingf (talkcontribs) 15:15, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Georgingf (talk) 15:17, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
Georgingf What is your native language? Dusti*Let's talk!* 15:19, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
Romorea language from pakista  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Georgingf (talkcontribs) 15:20, 20 April 2019 (UTC) 
I'm not familiar with that language. Can you type a phrase here in your native language so I might be able to find it and assist you better? Dusti*Let's talk!* 15:25, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
I can type in english  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Georgingf (talkcontribs) 15:31, 20 April 2019 (UTC) 
  • @Dusti: Good of you to assume good faith, but you're being trolled.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:34, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
@Bbb23: I figured I was, but it's that good nature in me XD Dusti*Let's talk!* 16:03, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

approve my article

How to approve my article ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shavinderromana (talkcontribs) 16:19, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Your draft is in your Sandbox. Someone will advise you how to submit it. However, you have the same content at your User page. Delete all that quickly, or it will be deleted be someone else. User pages are for brief descriptions of your intentions as a Wikipedia editor - not for proposed content. David notMD (talk) 16:40, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Photo deletion

hi, A photo of me has been up on a wikipedi page for some time now, a few years, for personal and professional reasons it is important that it is now taken down, i had no knowledge of it being posted in the first instance and did not give my consent, please you you advise me what the process around thsi is, thank you, Simon — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:14, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, but since IP's arent able to upload photo's I'm unable to say you what happened/what gone wrong. Please tell us the username you used to edit or at least the name of an article where the image was used, or the file name, if you still know it. Victor Schmidt (talk) 15:31, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
Appears there is an existing article about you with a photo you do not like. Identifying the article and the photo may help you get advice here, but be aware that photographs are submitted to Wikipedia Commons by the photographers, and do not require consent of the people being photographed. David notMD (talk) 15:42, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
In theory IPs can add {{Personality rights}} at the end of the permissions=… line of the photo on Commons for info, and fight it out on the BLP talk page here. Do no harm (on bios) is a policy here, and if you have a better reason than "do not like it" the photo will be removed. Maybe report it on WP:BLP/N, or tell us what it's about. – (talk) 16:45, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Italics in link

Why is "Cats" in the link Memory (''Cats'' song) not shown in italics? Jmar67 (talk) 12:58, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

I see now I have to apply the italics by piping: Memory (Cats song) Thanks. Jmar67 (talk) 13:21, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
Yes, otherwise the apostrophes are interpreted as part of the page name. You correctly wrote [[Memory (Cats song)|Memory (''Cats'' song)]] to produce Memory (Cats song). I have made {{formatted link}} to automate this (no documentation yet). {{formatted link|Memory (''Cats'' song)}} produces Memory (Cats song). Consecutive apostrophes are removed when the link is made. It also removes any tags in <...>. {{formatted link|H<sub>2</sub>O}} produces H2O. Maybe the template needs a short name or redirect. {{fl}} is taken. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:43, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
PrimeHunter: maybe {{flink}}, or {{fln}}? Eman235/talk 15:29, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
{{flink}} sounds like something I'd recall when needed (German flink is roughly quick or wikiwiki. ;-). – (talk) 17:06, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Changing the color in a box?

I am attempting to edit a draft I've made of an article for an off Broadway show. In many movie/theater/tv show pages, the nominations section features a box with a list of the nominations, what was nominated, and the status of the award (winner, just nominated [lost], etc). The winner cell is colored green and the nominated but lost cell is red. I want to do the same to my draft, but I can't figure out how. I have the box and details all created, but I can't figure out how to color the individual cells. If you don't understand what I'm talking about, look up any oscar winning movie and scroll to the accolades/awards/nominations section. Any advice? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Apathyash (talkcontribs) 19:33, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

I'm aware of {{win}} for green, and {{n/a}} for dark gray, and a few others: There should be a list on the template doc-page(s). Always use preview in tables, these templates have some odd features, e.g., if {{n/a}} works a similar |{{n/a}} might cause havoc. – (talk) 17:17, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Comments from WP readers

Where can WP users see comments/questions provided by external readers of Wikipedia and our replies to them? Jmar67 (talk) 20:26, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

@Jmar67: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. All comments related to an article, whether by editors or readers, are on the associated article talk page. Every article has a "Talk" tab at the top(assuming you are using a computer), click this to access the talk page. Article talk pages are not for general questions or discussion of the subject, but for discussion related to improving the article. 331dot (talk) 08:27, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
Otherwise check out the WP:REFERENCEDESK for general questions. – (talk) 17:22, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

im new with page making can you help me

so i started wikipedia around 6 months ago and i just started a new account so i can start my own wiki pages but i don't know how to make a new blank page if you see this and you know how to help please contact me on my talk page of the teahouse talk page thx — Preceding unsigned comment added by Geek gaming (talkcontribs) 23:36, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Geek gaming, and welcome to the Teahouse. Please don't "make a blank page": instead, create a draft using the articles for creation process. Your first article will tell you how to proceed. --ColinFine (talk) 17:26, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Procedure to change the name of an article

Hello -- Where do I find the info regarding the procedure to change the name or title of an article? Thanks. --Lubiesque (talk) 17:10, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Lubiesque, See Wikipedia:Requested moves. Interstellarity (talk) 17:19, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
Thank you. --Lubiesque (talk) 17:27, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Use of infobox

Hello guys! It's encouraging the speedy response we get in the teahouse considering the volunteering nature of Wikipedia.

I'm stucked on the use of an infobox for an office holder, how do I go about using an infobox. Thanks in anticipation.

Ohanwe Emmanuel .I. (talk) 23:02, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

I'd start with {{Infobox person}}, and if that doesn't what I want I'd look for a similar page where folks already figured out how the "embed" feature actually works. There are various examples on {{Infobox person/doc}}. Disclaimer: I hated it. – (talk) 17:31, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

plz let me clear about my doubt

If my writing in the sandbox is inappropriate and deleted for the reason of advertising as you answered. then what about "All India Women's Conference" page in Wikipedia? plz, guide me, because I am new. Don't know the rules. I get encouraged by this particular page and wanted to publish such a page about an organization who is going to organize a national women activists; conference at Sambalpur in coming October. Plz let me clear about my confusion.will be grateful forever. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mamata Padhi (talkcontribs) 15:46, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

The All India Women's Conference had its start in 1927 and has been written about. Although I could not find in your Contributions your Sandbox content, it appears you want to write about a conference that has not yet occured. Thus, deleted as promotional. David notMD (talk) 16:35, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
Hello, Mamata Padhi. Please read about Notability: Wikipedia is only interested in subjects where people who have no connection with the subject have already chosen to write about the subject at some length, and been published in reliable places. If such sources for your organisation exist, then there can be an article about it (but if you are in any way connected with the organisation, you are discouraged from creating such an article yourself, because of your conflict of interest). --ColinFine (talk) 17:34, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Please see my talk page

Can an uninvolved editor see this post on my talk page and evaluate this IP editor's and my actions? Thank you. Interstellarity (talk) 15:14, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

I'd know how to bypass that edit filter (not explained here for obvious reasons), but the info needs a better source than "IP said so on your talk page", and even with a source enwiki isn't forced to support this silly marketing gimmick. – (talk) 16:15, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
Should I tell the IP editor that their content needs to supported by independent reliable sources? Interstellarity (talk) 16:42, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
If you do you'd have to support the four letter word when it's sourced, because that would be the deal. I'd try "un-encyclopedic", most IPs aren't supposed to know the fine print of WP:NOTCENSORED. – (talk) 17:42, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

1124 papal election

Hello, I noticed that the article about Pope Honorius II refers to 1124 papal election as the main article about his election. However, the latter article is virtually empty, whereas the former contains quite a lot of detail about the proceedings. What would be the appropriate course of action ?

  • Move the section to the election page and replace it with a shorter version
  • Copy the section to the election page
  • Keep calm and don't touch anything

Additionally: what about attribution, is there a way to copy part of the history ?

The election page mentions translating the corresponding article in Polish, but I can't do that. Neither am I knowledgeable in any of the subjects, so I'd rather not make up a new text.

-- Kwakeroni (talk) 15:36, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Kwakeroni. This is a great question! Moving and copying are both options here. But I'd say we should copy because the article on Pope Honorius II has been quite stable with such a detailed section, so it's obviously called for.
It's good you asked about attribution. It's not possible to transfer the relevant parts of the edit history, but attribution can (and must) still be done. Here's how it's done. Simply copy and paste the content. In the edit summary, write "Copied content from Pope Honorius II; see that page's history for attribution".
You can see more details at Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia. – Finnusertop (talkcontribs) 17:00, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
I've PRODed 1124 papal election and removed the hat note from Pope_Honorius_II#Conclave of 1124. Unless someone wants to actually write something (as against playing with categories and infoboxes) I can see no reason to keep such a minimalist stub. If it is deleted, then it could be recreated as a redirect to Pope_Honorius_II#Conclave of 1124. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 17:11, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
@Martin of Sheffield: I'll try to do something about it, starting with the proposed copying and expanding from there. – Finnusertop (talkcontribs) 17:17, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
@Martin of Sheffield: I was planning on adding a list of cardinals present (based on J.P. Adams, a source used in similar pages) would that add enough value to the article to justify its existence ? (also, I'm actually surprised that one would consider breaking the reference chain in the infoboxes because an article contains only information that happens to be present in another article)
@Finnusertop and Kwakeroni: If the article grows to be worthwhile, then the PROD will fail. I'd slightly query just copying the information, we could end up with multiple identical copies on that route. I'm hoping that the two of you will improve the article. (BTW, Kwakeroni – please ensure you sign your posts with four tildes) Martin of Sheffield (talk) 17:58, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi there, newbie here, could u show me around?

Good day wikipedia people, may i know are there hand book or some sort for rookies? Some 1-stop guide containing FAQs that I should know? Any entry level materials that i shud go thru? Thanks. Im quite puzzled with how things work here...FakeMaknae (talk) 19:04, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, FakeMaknae. I suggest that you participate in The Wikipedia Adventure, an interactive learning game. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 19:13, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
FakeMaknae, I added a link to it on your talk page! --valereee (talk) 19:16, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

ThanksFakeMaknae (talk) 19:18, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Need Help

5 Months ago, I made a Mistake!! I DONT KNOW HOW TO EDIT Wikipedia PAGES. I clicked edit and I Randomly placed the news articles links in References on Wikipedia Pages. I'm Extremely Sorry About That and My website is added to Spam list... I Don't Know What to Do... Please help me...

The Links that I added are 'Not Spam links.. It just News article about upcoming Tamil Movies. My website is added to the spam list because I Just don't know the proper way to add the References. Please Help Me to remove my website from the Spam list. I will not do this again.

Next Time, I will do in Proper Way by adding info/Updates about the Movie and add Reference for the Source. I will Help with what i can by updating Upcoming Tamil movie Pages on wikipedia.

Thank you..— Preceding unsigned comment added by JayaMari860 (talkcontribs) 18:12, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

@JayaMari860: was being spammed by Nirmalsite (talk · contribs); see this spam report. An editor requested that it be blacklisted because it was unreliable and being spammed. It is unlikely to be removed from the blacklist if it is a self-published blog that has been previously spammed. However, you can request that it be removed. If you are looking for help on how to add citations, see this guide. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 18:43, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank You Sir.. @ NinjaRobotPirate — Preceding unsigned comment added by JayaMari860 (talkcontribs) 19:20, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

still I am in doubt

Sir, As I got the answer like- "Hello, Mamata Padhi. Please read about Notability: Wikipedia is only interested in subjects where people who have no connection with the subject have already chosen to write about the subject at some length, and been published in reliable places. If such sources for your organisation exist, then there can be an article about it (but if you are in any way connected with the organisation, you are discouraged from creating such an article yourself, because of your conflict of interest). --ColinFine (talk) 17:34, 20 April 2019 (UTC)". I need to be clarify that if the newspaper publications can be sources? or what other types of sources are required to publish a new page in wikipedia 2nd thing is how I upload photos in the photo challenge section? because while uploading a new photo after clicking on uploads the existing uploaded photos are seeing. Plz guide. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mamata Padhi (talkcontribs) 18:12, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Mamata Padhi. Some newspapers are usually reliable while other newspapers have poor reputations for accuracy and are therefore unreliable. Start by reading the Wikipedia article about the newspaper looking for indications there. You can also ask at the Reliable sources noticeboard. I suggest that you read and study Your first article as well. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 19:30, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
Mamata Padhi, if you'd keep the conversation in a single section, that would be helpful. When you see a response, look up at the header, it says edit source. Click on that and you'll be able to add a response within the same section. That helps us keep track of the conversation we're having with you. --valereee (talk) 19:43, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

the good information

despite that I have good leads of information that anyone don't have but my friend Dodo elmoghazy was removed from wikipedia editing because of false information despite the same leads of information that I also use, I wonder is this will affect of my wikipedia editing? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dodomahmoud (talkcontribs) 18:41, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Dodomahmoud, the other Dodo got blocked for persistent addition of unsourced (and false) information. You're saying they did have sources, and you're using those same sources, is that correct? If the other Dodo was providing sources, then I suspect those sources must have been unreliable at best, and yes, if you use those sources, and you're repeatedly asked not to, and you still do it, you too could be blocked. Is that what you were asking? If you're unsure whether a source is reliable or not, you can ask for help here or go to WP:RSN where there is a database of information on reliable sources. And if someone removes your content, don't just add it back -- go to the article talk page and discuss. --valereee (talk) 19:01, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
Both are the same Dodo.  Confirmed and blocked.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 19:27, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
Berean Hunter, can't decide who's stupider, me or them valereee (talk) 19:44, 20 April 2019 (UTC)


In the "verify your identity" screen, I accidently entered my password in the log in screen, no one will see it, right? --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 21:35, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Yes. And that was not 'accidental' per se. You must enter the password in as much as you want verify the identity. – Ammarpad (talk) 21:51, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Need help with contacting a user please

I wanted to ask if you could help me contact a user that edited and then submitted a draft that I had just started working on. I think they may have accidentally edited the page while not being logged in: User: I think this because there is no user page or talk page for this User. Can you help me? Was only curious why they submitted it for AfC approval as the article is not really very developed yet. Thank you!LorriBrown (talk) 18:08, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

LorriBrown, you can create a user talk page by clicking on the red link that says talk, then adding a section. Many editors consider work created in Draft: space as something that is a public invitation to contribute/collaborate, and that anyone can submit an article for a move to main space whenever they think it's ready. If you'd rather work on an article yourself, you can create it in your own user space instead of in draft space; most people don't edit in other people's user spaces because it feels more intrusive. --valereee (talk) 19:11, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
Valereee, It is not a problem but I was curious because I didn't think the article was quite ready... so, I wanted to communicate with the user but if they made these edits not being logged in I didn't think my attempt to have a conversation with them would be successful. So, I was hopeful to know what their real user name was so I could contact them there. Thanks!LorriBrown (talk) 19:29, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
LorriBrown, they may not have a user name yet -- often when people edit with an IP address instead of a user name, it's because they haven't yet registered a user name. But that doesn't mean you can't still talk to them on the IP's user talk page. Or you can open up a convo on the draft talk page, though they aren't quite as likely to see that because they won't get a notification. If you feel strongly that the article isn't ready, you can also withdraw the submission; it's not a done deal. --valereee (talk) 19:36, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
Some folks have talk pages, e.g., User talk:LorriBrown#Susan Hudson mentions WP:PROF. I'm not aware of any "undo AfC submission" tricks, we could ask the AfC help desk. – (talk) 20:58, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
valereee Not a problem actually. I suppose the result will be the same... the article will get created. I am just not too confident at this juncture and it is nice to have more experienced editors take a look before it gets AfC approval. It's all good! Thank you for your help.LorriBrown (talk) 21:38, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
LorriBrown, did you see that the editor answered, above? --valereee (talk) 21:46, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
--Valereee|valereee No I did not. Thank you for pointing it out and I appreciate your help with this! I get it now! All is well. LorriBrown (talk) 02:22, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Brad Keller

Can someone please edit the Brad Keller page and take off the rude comments people have edited to the page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Suits2bu2 (talkcontribs) 03:38, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

It looks like that's been addressed by Esquilax13 (talk · contribs). Good for you for spotting this so quickly! If you see vandalism like this in the future, feel free to remove it yourself. Vahurzpu (talk) 04:14, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Adding to Wikipedia

I would like instructions on how to add to Wikipedia.

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vedlagt (talkcontribs) 09:07, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi Vedlagt, please read Help:Introduction. – Ammarpad (talk) 09:36, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

East European University (Tbilisi)

Hello there! I'm new to Wikipedia and want to ask a question. Recently I made an article about East European University of Tbilisi. Now it says it is in draft mode. Could someone tell me when will it be reviewed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shengelia83 (talkcontribs) 09:00, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi Shengelia83, It has been a draft since the time you published it and it's currently in review queue. You've to exercise patience as there are many articles waiting for review too. In the meantime, you can continue improving the draft. – Ammarpad (talk) 09:42, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Have any evidence to differentiate Gond from Hindu?

Today's in our culture we are Hindu, is it right we have other community and religion if it is then how can we expand it. Is it anything doing for awareness of Gond People. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:204:3394:ED81:CA8:2C20:7718:E175 (talk) 10:28, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Yes, we have an article Gondi people. Do let us know if it can be improved. (Most of the editors here on Wikipedia are not from Hindu cultures, but there will be some.) Dbfirs 10:33, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

What is a blog?

Hi WikiWizards,

I understand that citing a blog page is disallowed, but I'm unsure whether to classify a particular web article as such. If all material on a page (though not the site) is attributed to a corporate entity (the site owner) rather than an individual poster then does it count as a 'blog'? Might it be admissable 'news'?

RAClarke (talk) 18:29, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

It would be considered a Primary source for the site owner. See WP:Primary. Wikipedia policy strongly prefers Secondary sources. Regards, Ariconte (talk) 19:25, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi Ariconte,

Thanks for your response. Yes, I can understand an objection on those grounds may still apply. However, should my edit have been rejected on the grounds that I reference a blog? It would be of value to have a definitive answer to this question because I imagine similar circumstances surround many other edits.

Regards RAClarke (talk) 02:07, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

If it's any help, RAClarke, the reason I reverted your edit here is that all your reference demonstrated was that some random person on the Internet—presumably the owner of Nonstop Press—once noted that a bit of dialogue in the film seemed to "predict the future". (Note that the linked section of the Web site is headed "NonstopID Blog/News".) That does not seem to constitute significant information about the film's legacy, nor is the referenced "source" a reliable source for anything except one person's thoughts (see WP:UGC). If you could find a secondary source saying that that particular bit of the film had been noted as prophetic by multiple scholars or commentators, it would be a different matter. Deor (talk) 16:00, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi Deor,

Thank you for expanding on the reasons for your decision. As an infrequent editor, my knowlege of Wikipedia is not as deep as the issues involved. I concede that "NonstopID Blog/News" as a site tag-line justifies your caution. Is it really a show-stopper, though? Wikipedia has innumerable links to sites run by the publishers of newspapers (eg, and sites run by the publishers of television programs (eg, even when they include a section, below the main article, where the reading public posts comments. Can we not add links to similarly formatted pages at sites run by the publishers of books? Nonstop Press may well be a one-man-band. We know only that it is a business specialising in print titles covering the same genre as the page I tried to edit. Do those qualifications not lift it above 'some random person on the Internet'? The news content of the article (that 2017 marked the 50th anniversary of the film's release) was indeed low, but relevant to the 'Legacy' section of the film's page at Wikipedia. Discussion towards concensus on alternative ways to improve it are perhaps best held on the talk page there.

Regards RAClarke (talk) 10:46, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

What is the ideal way to fix this (due) edit that was reverted for allegedly promotional content?

Hello everyone. I have added one line item to an article about a technical subject and to justify why it is relevant (it is) and why the item added should be there, I added references and external links to major sites w/o commercial purposes. However, somehow that I cannot really understand one (or more?) of these references have been considered promotional and the edit was reverted without any details of why or how to fix or improve it, just marking it as "spam". I of course since then read some of the articles to understand it better but the guidelines are fuzzy and don't really give a practical clue of what may be wrong. I could do trial-and-error with each link until it gets accepted but then that feels spam… Long story short: given that this is indeed content that should be there given its relevance, what am I missing there? Thanks a lot! KDEWolf (talk) 18:03, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi, KDEWolf. The best thing to do would be to post a polite neutral message on the reverting editor's talk page (not advocating for your addition, but merely asking for the specifics for why they reverted it.). If after they explain you still disagree with them, you start a discussion advocating for your change at the article's talk page, giving it a neutral title (such as "My edit on 19 April) and make your arguments based in reliable secondary sources and Wikipedia policies and guidelines. It would be a good idea to ping the opposing editor. For what it's worth, if I followed that type article I probably would have reverted you too. First, the very first thing violates WP:ELNO. Second, adding GitHub sourced primarily to GitHub seems pretty promotional. Third, I don't see any secondary sources. Last, GitHub is linked as a see also. Is there an existing consensus to cover it that way?
This is the important thing, KDEWolf: You made a BOLD edit, another editor REVERTed it...per WP:BRD, the thing to do now is DISCUSS. Thanks for coming by and happy editing. John from Idegon (talk) 18:24, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
@KDEWolf:, to clarify a common misunderstanding regarding " w/o commercial purposes": Wikipedia's guidelines against promotional editing and link spamming apply to all kinds of external sites. Aside from commercial enterprises, this includes non-commercial sites like personal blogs, open source projects, NGOs, advocacy and lobby sites, etc. Any kind of advertising and advocacy - commercial or not - is prohibited. Of course you are welcome to contribute to articles in this topic area. But information should usually be referenced to sources that are not affiliated to the given topic (with some exceptions). If you want to write about a specific topic or aspect, you should try to find such "independent" 3rd-party sources. GermanJoe (talk) 18:40, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
@John from Idegon: @GermanJoe: Thanks for the valuable advice, proceeded accordingly a couple of days ago on the topic's talk page and on the user's talk page, let's see how it goes! All the best KDEWolf (talk) 13:31, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Draft:Brian Rosenworcel

Hello! I have improved and re-submitted my article, Brian Rosenworcel, for the 3rd time. I have added information, and 6 additional references to support notability of this individual. When attempting to add the additional references, I was not able to add them to the reference list in the proper format, or remove the detail from the paragraph. Would someone please look at it for me, and help me to fix it? It is finally on page 1 to be reviewed after several months of waiting. I just don't want it shut down due to formatting issues. Thank you so much! Zuzuroo (talk)zuzuroo —Preceding undated comment added 14:26, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Zuzuroo, I've fixed the formatting. For further reference, you can find the instructions here: Help:Referencing for beginners. – Finnusertop (talkcontribs) 15:08, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks so much for the help and information, Finnusertop! Zuzuroo (talk)zuzuroo —Preceding undated comment added 13:52, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Autoconfirmed user access level

Why does the autoconfirmed user access level have to exist? It seems pointless to me. C2A (About | Call | Inspect) 17:08, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi C2A, the main reason why autoconfirmed exists is because it is one of our defense mechanisms against vandalism and other disruptive editing. Interstellarity (talk) 17:31, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

How does the autoconfirmed user access level defend that from happening? C2A (About | Call | Inspect) 17:32, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Certain actions require a user to be autoconfirmed. That stops newly-created accouts from doing those actions. "Casual" vandals don't put in the effort to get auto-confirmed. Also, good-faith editors are prevented from immediately doing difficult stuff that they might not properly know how to do; they'll have to get a little experience before progressing to more tricky tasks. Huon (talk) 17:44, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Vancouver Style Error and General Question about References

I have been trying to interpret the instructions for a corporate author using the Vancouver style error instructions, but despite trying several different interpretations of the information (I am obviously missing something), I still have a mistake in reference 4 on this sandbox page. I wonder if someone might explain what I am doing wrong? I also wonder, when citing different sections/essays/chapters in a book, if I should create new entries for each one? I am not certain how to reuse a reference but indicate it is to another page or chapter. Thank you. TrudiJ (talk) 14:24, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi, TrudiJ, welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not familiar with 'Vancouver' as a referencing style, but this edit appears to have fixed it. It was a case of having two "vauthor=" titles in the same field. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:56, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you Nick Moyes for catching my error and thus fixing the reference! TrudiJ (talk) 15:03, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

@TrudiJ: You're welcome. I have two tips for you: Firstly you can turn on "syntax highlighting" via the little sloping pen symbol in the editing toolbar to give colour to different types of content. It really helps distinguish text from markup. The second tip is in answer to your question about sections and chapters. You only ever need to give a reference in full just once. By using refname= you can call the reference multiple times. See WP:REFNAME. And to specify different pages in the same book, you can use the {{rp}} template. e.g. reference:27 and reference:436. Hope these may aid your editing. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:43, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
@Nick Moyes: These tips are very helpful, thank you again. I've already started to use them! TrudiJ (talk) 22:54, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Regarding the future of Wikipedia

I am just curious how Wikipedia is going to survive in the future, all the editors are not paid, how are we going to keep the community motivated? Thank you, guys! Excited to be the part of the team. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikicop33 (talkcontribs) 20:45, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Wikicop33, and welcome to the Teahouse. I think, frankly, that the question you ask belongs to the past rather than the future of Wikipedia. When Wikipedia started in 2001, your question was on everybody's lips. 18 years have passed and we're still here; but why? Some studies have been done on this. Personally, I'd go with what the book The Wikipedia Revolution says: people are rewarded by both social interaction and gratification of finishing goals involving their interests that they set for themselves: "One person's personal affection and indulgence [with some topic of interest] easily finds a home in Wikipedia's amalgam of topics, where it also feeds into and inspires activities by others". That is unlikely to change in the future. – Finnusertop (talkcontribs) 21:06, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
A brief answer might be: if it hasn't been necessary to pay editors up till now, why should it be in the future? Roy McCoy (talk) 22:52, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you so much, Roy and Finnusertop, appreciate it! Wikicop33 (talk) 23:47, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Material removed

I provided considerable material in an article only to have most of it removed by another user. I know it was all factual so I don’t understand why it was removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kb3dad (talkcontribs) 00:20, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

As was explained in the edit summary of the revert, and when you asked at User talk:Joeykai#Edits, the reversion was because your edit was unsourced. The fact that "you" knew that it was factual is of no use to Wikipedia; it needs to be verifiable by references to published reliable sources. --David Biddulph (talk) 00:32, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

other users with same name

i recently opted to become a user, in the hope that i can give something back to Wikipedia beyond an annual contribution. I notice my preferred usernames were taken. how can i contact the "other" me to say hello? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brucefhyman (talkcontribs) 03:21, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Brucefhyman. You can reach any editor's talk page by typing "User talk:" into the search box, followed by the username. For example, you can reach my personal talk page at User talk:Cullen328. Please be aware that a large percentage of accounts are inactive. Many people create Wikipedia accounts and either never edit, or edit a handful of times and then disappear. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:19, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Anonymous vandalism

JackintheBox posted on my talk page suggesting a change to a certain page. I didn't know why he had posted this on my page, but his proposed change seemed appropriate so I made it and notified him of this on his talk page. Now, however, an anonymous user has come on there and posted inane remarks about tacos and patty melts. These can be edited out of course, either by JackintheBox or myself, but I'm a bit disturbed that anyone can come on anonymously and fool around like this – or worse. Can this kind of thing be properly termed vandalism, and in any event is there something that can be done about it other than editing each individual instance? I'm wondering whether an originating IPP address can be and sometimes is blocked, for instance. Thanks. Roy McCoy (talk) 23:05, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Roy McCoy. It looks to me like the IP was motivated by the similarity of the other editor's username to the fast food restaurant chain called Jack in the Box. This appears to be immature juvenile humor and JackintheBox is free to remove those comments. If it is vandalism, it is relatively mild. In general, it is best to deny the attention that vandals and trolls seek. Simply remove the vandalism with a brief edit summary like "revert vandalism" or the briefer "rvv" and move on. Warn but do not berate the vandal on their talk page. If IP vandalism of a specific page or group of pages is persistent, you can file a report at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. If persistent vandalism originates with one IP address or registered account, file a report at Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism. Please be aware that IP addresses are not usually blocked indefinitely since they can be used by multiple people, only one of whom may be the vandal. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:41, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
Indeed. By the bye, my username was insired by the toy Jack-in-the-box. When I created my account I had never heard of the restaurant chain Jack in the Box (I live in China and have never been to the US). JACKINTHEBOXTALK 04:56, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
@Roy McCoy: I posted it on your talk page because I noticed that you are a frequent editor of WP:Manual of Style and its talk page, and wanted to know if my suggestion is valid according to Wikipedia's Manual of Style. JACKINTHEBOXTALK 05:01, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanations, Cullen328 and JackintheBox. The remarks of the anonymous poster seem less odd now that I understand the restaurant (non)reference. The capitalization in the aircraft carrier article was correct, and I'm glad we got it through. Just one question for Jim: why "rvv" rather than "rv"?

Getting my draft approved

Hi there, I made an article in English about Swedish band THEN COMES SILENCE (, there are already articles in the German and Swedish Wikipedia. My article is an English translation of those that already exist in those other languages. It's been a few weeks and I haven't heard anything but I still can't search for the article, which makes me think it hasn't been approved yet. How can I move forward from here to get it approved?

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Viikki Saari (talkcontribs) 05:02, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi, that's because you haven't submitted your draft for review! Add the code {{subst:submit}} to do so. Cheers JACKINTHEBOXTALK 05:06, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Awesome, thank you JackintheBox, I added it now. Hopefully it gets accepted soon! Cheers VS Viikki Saari (talk) 05:15, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

@Viikki Saari: No problem! The content of your draft looks fine to me. Just some small things: per MOS:PUNCTREF, inline citations should directly follow the text, rather than precede the text. I have rectified that in your draft. Also, according to MOS:DATERANGE, an en dash should be used instead of a spaced hyphen when writing dates, such as 2013–2018, not 2013 - 2018.
Also, please remember to sign your messages with four tildes (~~~~), and add a colon (:) before your message if you are replying to a message above. If the above message already has, say, two colons, you would respond to that message with three colons (2+1) before your message. Regards, JACKINTHEBOXTALK 05:16, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for all your help! Viikki Saari (talk) 05:20, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
@Viikki Saari: Also, please see Wikipedia:Manual of Style#To separate parts of an item in a list – it states: Spaced en dashes are sometimes used between parts of list items. For example:
  • James Galway – flute; Anne-Sophie Mutter – violin; Maurizio Pollini – piano.
So make sure you use an en dash in those instances, instead of a hyphen! Regards, JACKINTHEBOXTALK 05:22, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
@Viikki Saari:, You should also see Wikipedia:Translation for information on marking the article as a translation. Regards, Ariconte (talk) 06:58, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Sigma Epsilon Theta Sorority, the Entreprenuers Sorority

The topic Entrepreneurs Sorority does not exist in Wikipedia. In December 2018 I developed Sigma Epsilon Theta Sorority and it is percieved to be the first Sorority primaraly focused on entrepreneurs. Although it is an Africian American Sorority we except members from all races and ethnicities if they are deemed qualified to be a member. How do I determine if this topic is notable material for inclulsion into a Wikipedia Page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Erma Covington (talkcontribs) 07:41, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

@Erma Covington: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Your sorority would only merit an article on Wikipedia if it has gotten extensive coverage in independent reliable sources that show how it meets the Wikipedia notability guidelines for organizations. This coverage would need to be beyond a local or college newspaper. If it does merit an article, it is strongly advised that you not be the one to write about it; please review the conflict of interest policy. 331dot (talk) 07:44, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
Hello Erma Covington. The primary guideline that determines whether an article is suitable for inclusion is Wikipedia:Notability. Generally, it requires a few paragraphs or more in multiple sources like a well known newspaper or a well reviewed book. There is also a guide for new contributors on how to write a good article at Wikipedia:Your first article. Good luck! Alpha3031 (tc) 07:54, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

How to add the page title?

Hi. I have recently written my first full Wikipedia entry in my sandbox. I clicked 'publish' as advised, but the page is still titled as my sandbox. I've looked at the code for numerous other pages but can't see how the page title is actually specified. I know it must be simple, but I seem to be missing something... article with incorrect title shown below.


Many thanks,

--Twirl73 (talk) 23:40, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

The publish button just means "save edit". It is not an article yet, but a draft of one. I see that you submitted the sandbox for review. I moved it to draft space with the title of Draft:Plastic Mermaids and I have reviewed it. CoolSkittle (talk) 00:30, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
Hi CoolSkittle, many thanks for comment and quick review. Regarding review comments, one main question - there are several references I would like to have used (eg. Sunday Times, NME et al) that may have fulfilled the 'significant coverage' criteria, but these appeared in print editions only - how do you reference where no online link available?

Also, I've noticed many bands (and other topics) appear as 'stub' articles with significantly less info and fewer or no references. Would what I have submitted be suitable for inclusion like this?

Thanks again.

--Twirl73 (talk) 00:41, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

@Twirl73: No problem. You can cite print sources, use {{Cite news}} or {{Cite magazine}}. Regarding the second comment, see this. Regards, CoolSkittle (talk) 00:52, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
Sources don't need to be online. Best to use a citation template such as {{cite news}} and fill in all relevant and available data, particularly the name of the publication and the date of the relevant issue. If there are no references, an article isn't fit for inclusion in Wikipedia; if there is comparatively little information but enough to satisfy inclusion criteria, a reviewer might tag it as a stub. --David Biddulph (talk) 00:53, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Okay, thanks again CoolSkittle, I'll try and get appropriate national print reference info added. I'll also look at at the {{cite episode}} options for significant radio coverage. The 'other stuff exists' essay made me smile - yeah, I guess I asked for that. I'm still figuring out the Wikipedia world but was puzzled that so many apparently less well-referenced articles exist. Selah. --Twirl73 (talk) 01:06, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, I neglected to thank David Biddulph for advice also. Thank you! --Twirl73 (talk) 08:23, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Dungeon Siege

I have been playing Dungeon Siege for a couple of weeks but am now trapped. I can go between the "Travelers Camp" and the "Eastern Swamp" but cannot proceed any further. If anyone could help I would be very grateful. Many Thanks Denis — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 10:40, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Hello IP editor. Whilst we welcome new Wikipedia editors here at the Teahouse, we are here to guide others who encounter difficulties whilst editing this encyclopaedia. We cannot help you, and advise you to search for online gaming fora to get you out of your predicament. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 11:36, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Hi Denis. The Wikipedia Teahouse is really a place to ask questions about editing Wikipedia. Perhaps there's an online forum for fans of the game where you'll be able to find someone to answer your question; so, try googling the game and see what comes up. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:39, 22 April 2019 (UTC)